I'm absolutely shocked by all the events involving the Police and their Federation. Shocked I tell you.
Just remember these are the people successive governments have wanted to give even more powers to snoop, arrest and detain without charge for 90 days ordinary members of the public.
If they can do this to a cabinet minister....then they can do it to us plebs.
We have no idea what will happen in the future beyond the fact that with Cameron in charge of the Tory party we will never leave the EU.
That directly contradicts what Farage said this morning on the Today programme. According to him, UKIP really do want a referendum in the next parliament, in fact are desperate for one and would do a deal with the devil to get one.
It's all getting very confusing.
As i have stated often in the past, Farage and I have differing views on many issues. Unlike you I do not consider uncritical sycophancy to a leader to be an asset.
But do you disagree with Farage on this one? It is rather important, isn't it?
I agree with the fact that we want a referendum as soon as possible. I disagree with the idea that (if this is what Farage contends) it will be won as long as Cameron is still Prime Minister. But I am not sure Farage is actually saying that.
A referendum under a Labour government with a Tory party campaigning for Out will be a hell of a lot more winnable than one under a Tory government with Labour support for staying in.
A referendum under a Labour government with a Tory party campaigning for Out will be a hell of a lot more winnable than one under a Tory government with Labour support for staying in.
That sounds like the Nats argument that a Con lead in the polls or a Con PM will mean Yes can win - it's probably more the economic situation rather than the govt of the day. What you mean is you need an economic slump with a Eurozone crisis on top to win - who is PM is small beer.
We have no idea what will happen in the future beyond the fact that with Cameron in charge of the Tory party we will never leave the EU.
That directly contradicts what Farage said this morning on the Today programme. According to him, UKIP really do want a referendum in the next parliament, in fact are desperate for one and would do a deal with the devil to get one.
It's all getting very confusing.
As i have stated often in the past, Farage and I have differing views on many issues. Unlike you I do not consider uncritical sycophancy to a leader to be an asset.
But do you disagree with Farage on this one? It is rather important, isn't it?
I agree with the fact that we want a referendum as soon as possible. I disagree with the idea that (if this is what Farage contends) it will be won as long as Cameron is still Prime Minister. But I am not sure Farage is actually saying that.
A referendum under a Labour government with a Tory party campaigning for Out will be a hell of a lot more winnable than one under a Tory government with Labour support for staying in.
I agree entirely with your second paragraph which is why you are so desperate for the Tories to lose next year even though the chances of Miliband ever offering an in-out referendum are almost non-existant.
Kippers = Revolutionary Defeatists 21 century style. LoL
I'm absolutely shocked by all the events involving the Police and their Federation. Shocked I tell you.
Just remember these are the people successive governments have wanted to give even more powers to snoop, arrest and detain without charge for 90 days ordinary members of the public.
If they can do this to a cabinet minister....then they can do it to us plebs.
"...the public generally agree with Nigel Farage’s own assessment that UKIP is being victimised by “a political class” and “their mates in the media”. The majority (54%) of British adults agree with his statement"
A £4.5m fraud trial halted due to disputes over legal aid cuts has been restarted after the court of appeal ruled that the defendants could receive a fair trial.
The ruling is a setback for the prime minister's brother, Alexander Cameron QC, who represented the men but will come as a relief to the justice secretary, Chris Grayling.
Crikey! I wonder what our resident legal experts, who were very vocal on here when the Southwark decision was made a couple of weeks back, will have to say about that.
"...the public generally agree with Nigel Farage’s own assessment that UKIP is being victimised by “a political class” and “their mates in the media”. The majority (54%) of British adults agree with his statement"
I'm absolutely shocked by all the events involving the Police and their Federation. Shocked I tell you.
Just remember these are the people successive governments have wanted to give even more powers to snoop, arrest and detain without charge for 90 days ordinary members of the public.
If they can do this to a cabinet minister....then they can do it to us plebs.
I'm absolutely shocked by all the events involving the Police and their Federation. Shocked I tell you.
Just remember these are the people successive governments have wanted to give even more powers to snoop, arrest and detain without charge for 90 days ordinary members of the public.
If they can do this to a cabinet minister....then they can do it to us plebs.
Bugger the plebs, what about us proles?
It's all about the f*cking plebs.
I'm clearly a prole. I looked it up on wikipedia, and I certainly don't have 11,000 asses to rub together. Do you?
If it is "Cowardly Cameron", then it is almost worth a narrow Labour victory to see what terms you come up with for Prime Minister Ed Miliband.
Especially when he puts Nigel Farage on the UK's 50 Euro note as a mark of gratitude. "Without him, none of this would have been possible..."
There is only one party that is going to give a shot at achieving what you want. SeanT may have called it a "pantomime renegotiation" - but the only other options are Theatre Dark.
At least with the Tories in a majority, you would get a chance to BOO the Euro Pantomime villains. Under Labour, they will become your overlords...without having any further say in it.
Still, they got Abu Hamza. You approve of that, I believe.
Goodness, what do you want, a medal?
The speedy expulsion of Hamsa, his family and contacts at a low cost to the tax payer should have been within the power of any government that thinks its first duty is to protect its ordinary and tax paying citizens.
The government failed on all those counts - though admittedly some of the reasons were not their fault.
I meant they the intelligence services, using electronic intelligence gathering.
A £4.5m fraud trial halted due to disputes over legal aid cuts has been restarted after the court of appeal ruled that the defendants could receive a fair trial.
The ruling is a setback for the prime minister's brother, Alexander Cameron QC, who represented the men but will come as a relief to the justice secretary, Chris Grayling.
Crikey! I wonder what our resident legal experts, who were very vocal on here when the Southwark decision was made a couple of weeks back, will have to say about that.
A £4.5m fraud trial halted due to disputes over legal aid cuts has been restarted after the court of appeal ruled that the defendants could receive a fair trial.
The ruling is a setback for the prime minister's brother, Alexander Cameron QC, who represented the men but will come as a relief to the justice secretary, Chris Grayling.
Crikey! I wonder what our resident legal experts, who were very vocal on here when the Southwark decision was made a couple of weeks back, will have to say about that.
I said at the time I agreed with them, but a strategy based on "poor barristers and solicitors" wouldn't have much traction with the public.
We have no idea what will happen in the future beyond the fact that with Cameron in charge of the Tory party we will never leave the EU.
That directly contradicts what Farage said this morning on the Today programme. According to him, UKIP really do want a referendum in the next parliament, in fact are desperate for one and would do a deal with the devil to get one.
It's all getting very confusing.
As i have stated often in the past, Farage and I have differing views on many issues. Unlike you I do not consider uncritical sycophancy to a leader to be an asset.
But do you disagree with Farage on this one? It is rather important, isn't it?
I agree with the fact that we want a referendum as soon as possible. I disagree with the idea that (if this is what Farage contends) it will be won as long as Cameron is still Prime Minister. But I am not sure Farage is actually saying that.
A referendum under a Labour government with a Tory party campaigning for Out will be a hell of a lot more winnable than one under a Tory government with Labour support for staying in.
So you want a fight over EU membership, but only when the right UK government is in place, the chicken entrails point to a favourable outcome and Saturn is in conjunction with Mars in the house of Sagittarius?
In 2017 Cameron will be having mid-term, second-term blues and his support for In will be a massive boost for Out. If you don't think you can win in those circumstances, you don't think you can win.
If it is "Cowardly Cameron", then it is almost worth a narrow Labour victory to see what terms you come up with for Prime Minister Ed Miliband.
Especially when he puts Nigel Farage on the UK's 50 Euro note as a mark of gratitude. "Without him, none of this would have been possible..."
There is only one party that is going to give a shot at achieving what you want. SeanT may have called it a "pantomime renegotiation" - but the only other options are Theatre Dark.
At least with the Tories in a majority, you would get a chance to BOO the Euro Pantomime villains. Under Labour, they will become your overlords...
But suppose Germany and France won't let Cameron renegotiate? Bang goes the in-out referendum...
"...the public generally agree with Nigel Farage’s own assessment that UKIP is being victimised by “a political class” and “their mates in the media”. The majority (54%) of British adults agree with his statement"
I realise the photo of Ed was unappealing, but is a bacon sandwich really pleb food? I know plenty of top draw people who would happily eat one. Rather like fish and chips, it's one of those universals. They wouldn't be seen dead eating in a burger bar, though they might attend with their kids.
I'm absolutely shocked by all the events involving the Police and their Federation. Shocked I tell you.
Just remember these are the people successive governments have wanted to give even more powers to snoop, arrest and detain without charge for 90 days ordinary members of the public.
If they can do this to a cabinet minister....then they can do it to us plebs.
Bugger the plebs, what about us proles?
It's all about the f*cking plebs.
I'm clearly a prole. I looked it up on wikipedia, and I certainly don't have 11,000 asses to rub together. Do you?
"...the public generally agree with Nigel Farage’s own assessment that UKIP is being victimised by “a political class” and “their mates in the media”. The majority (54%) of British adults agree with his statement"
We better be nice to Noggin the Nog and the Northmen then - unless we want to see our lights go out... At least until we get fracking the f*ck out of our national supplies of natural gas.
The "holy trail" deal which establishes global energy sales wholly independent of the US dollar. The beginning of the end of the petrodollar and all that entails
I realise the photo of Ed was unappealing, but is a bacon sandwich really pleb food? I know plenty of top draw people who would happily eat one. Rather like fish and chips, it's one of those universals. They wouldn't be seen dead eating in a burger bar, though they might attend with their kids.
Apparently there are such things as posh burger bars.
I realise the photo of Ed was unappealing, but is a bacon sandwich really pleb food? I know plenty of top draw people who would happily eat one. Rather like fish and chips, it's one of those universals. They wouldn't be seen dead eating in a burger bar, though they might attend with their kids.
The bacon buttie transcends all classes Mr Booth, tis truly ambrosian in its appeal. - although Mrs SSC does not agree.
"...the public generally agree with Nigel Farage’s own assessment that UKIP is being victimised by “a political class” and “their mates in the media”. The majority (54%) of British adults agree with his statement"
But suppose Germany and France won't let Cameron renegotiate? Bang goes the in-out referendum...
No - at that point Cameron has to decide if he is prepared to support the status quo and back Yes. The Kippers have reached the conclusion that he will automatically go Yes. He has to put on his poker face though - and have Europe believe that, if Europe says no to renegotiation, he could support No to the EU.
Clegg and Miliband have no interest in even trying to make the case. Neither has Farage - he wants us out, end of.
Unfortunately for all of them, the British people seem to be happiest with the idea of staying in - but on better terms.
"...the public generally agree with Nigel Farage’s own assessment that UKIP is being victimised by “a political class” and “their mates in the media”. The majority (54%) of British adults agree with his statement"
"...the public generally agree with Nigel Farage’s own assessment that UKIP is being victimised by “a political class” and “their mates in the media”. The majority (54%) of British adults agree with his statement"
"...the public generally agree with Nigel Farage’s own assessment that UKIP is being victimised by “a political class” and “their mates in the media”. The majority (54%) of British adults agree with his statement"
The primaries are over, so I thought that would stop the relentless assault on my answering machine from pols begging for support, and in a new wrinkle, asking to join with them in sporting yet other pols running or office.
But no, I was wrong. There will be a Republican runoff election between David Perdue, 'businessman', and Rep Jack Kingston. The runoff election is on July 22, (two months - really???), so I have many more phone messages to look forward to.
Following my comment yesterday of the grandson of Jimmy Carter runnng for Governor in Georgia, I can further report that Perdue is a relative of the last Georgia governor, and the Demcratic candidate is the daughter of former Georgia US Senator Sam Nunn.
Looking back over the results from yesterday, it seems that the GOP has avoided some of the loony types from 2010 and 2012, and the internecine struggle with the Tea Party seems to have calmed down.
If it is "Cowardly Cameron", then it is almost worth a narrow Labour victory to see what terms you come up with for Prime Minister Ed Miliband.
Especially when he puts Nigel Farage on the UK's 50 Euro note as a mark of gratitude. "Without him, none of this would have been possible..."
There is only one party that is going to give a shot at achieving what you want. SeanT may have called it a "pantomime renegotiation" - but the only other options are Theatre Dark.
At least with the Tories in a majority, you would get a chance to BOO the Euro Pantomime villains. Under Labour, they will become your overlords...
But suppose Germany and France won't let Cameron renegotiate? Bang goes the in-out referendum...
Avast, Cap'n Doc. I fear you are mis-reading the situation. Let us, for the sake of argument, assume Cameron gets in with a majority in 2015. He then goes off to negotiate a new settlement for the UK in the EU. France, Germany and others tell him to piss off (as they will on any substantive point). The referendum will still happen and, here is the good bit, Cameron will campaign to stay in.
Cameron has already told us that he cannot envisage circumstances where it would be in the UKs interest to pull out. I think, therefore, that it would not be unfair to conclude that his whole negotiate and decide position is a sham and he is in fact being fundamentally dishonest.
TheScreamingEagles In places like the Middle East. hallal/kosher has a perfectly rational basis. The ritual form of slaughter was also one of the most "humane ways of slaughter available at the time. Where Christianity had to move away from the strict dietary laws of it antecedents was because of the economic use of pigs/wild boar especially in the beech forests of northern Europe. (Beech mast is poisonous to horses and cattle, but boar and pigs could "clean" that up allowing livestock to graze on the open forest.) Practicality and humanity turned into dogma, and hence to an excuse for conflict. I wonder if this what what the prophets had in mind when they taught?
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Just remember these are the people successive governments have wanted to give even more powers to snoop, arrest and detain without charge for 90 days ordinary members of the public.
If they can do this to a cabinet minister....then they can do it to us plebs.
A referendum under a Labour government with a Tory party campaigning for Out will be a hell of a lot more winnable than one under a Tory government with Labour support for staying in.
That sounds like the Nats argument that a Con lead in the polls or a Con PM will mean Yes can win - it's probably more the economic situation rather than the govt of the day. What you mean is you need an economic slump with a Eurozone crisis on top to win - who is PM is small beer.
Kippers = Revolutionary Defeatists 21 century style. LoL
Having a Communications Director based in Bruxelles and Strasbourg may not be the best thing.
Oh wait, UKIP MEPs have the lowest attendance for MEPs.
Russia signs 30-year gas deal with China
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27503017
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class_in_ancient_Rome
Especially when he puts Nigel Farage on the UK's 50 Euro note as a mark of gratitude. "Without him, none of this would have been possible..."
There is only one party that is going to give a shot at achieving what you want. SeanT may have called it a "pantomime renegotiation" - but the only other options are Theatre Dark.
At least with the Tories in a majority, you would get a chance to BOO the Euro Pantomime villains. Under Labour, they will become your overlords...without having any further say in it.
In 2017 Cameron will be having mid-term, second-term blues and his support for In will be a massive boost for Out. If you don't think you can win in those circumstances, you don't think you can win.
So Allah knows what her reaction would be if I rubbed 11,000 of them.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/53857/shamburger-osbornes-posh-patty-triggers-bun-fight
Now anyone chortling at EdM's bacon buttie photoshoot should look to College to see how it should be done:
twitter.com/incrediblyQ/status/468921625162051585/photo/1
Digital cameras and editorial bias.
As a very good Muslim, I've never eaten bacon, is it as good as everyone says it is?
Depends on the bacon, most of it is bulk produced using saltpeter.
It is basically salty fat with a chewy texture.
Clegg and Miliband have no interest in even trying to make the case. Neither has Farage - he wants us out, end of.
Unfortunately for all of them, the British people seem to be happiest with the idea of staying in - but on better terms.
Shantel Burns @shantel121
#WhyImVotingUkip It hurts not to win the Eurovision.
Why all right thinking PBers might be voting UKIP:
Marcus Brigstocke @marcusbrig
#WhyImVotingUkip Because reading makes my eyes tired and thinking ideas through gives me nosebleeds.
The Times selection: http://bit.ly/1j7iBQR [mostly overlaps with buzzfeed selection].
But I leave you with a new thread on one of colonies of England.
But no, I was wrong. There will be a Republican runoff election between David Perdue, 'businessman', and Rep Jack Kingston. The runoff election is on July 22, (two months - really???), so I have many more phone messages to look forward to.
Following my comment yesterday of the grandson of Jimmy Carter runnng for Governor in Georgia, I can further report that Perdue is a relative of the last Georgia governor, and the Demcratic candidate is the daughter of former Georgia US Senator Sam Nunn.
Looking back over the results from yesterday, it seems that the GOP has avoided some of the loony types from 2010 and 2012, and the internecine struggle with the Tea Party seems to have calmed down.
My understand if it isn't a pig then you can eat it if it has been Halal'd
Cameron has already told us that he cannot envisage circumstances where it would be in the UKs interest to pull out. I think, therefore, that it would not be unfair to conclude that his whole negotiate and decide position is a sham and he is in fact being fundamentally dishonest.
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In places like the Middle East. hallal/kosher has a perfectly rational basis.
The ritual form of slaughter was also one of the most "humane ways of slaughter available at the time.
Where Christianity had to move away from the strict dietary laws of it antecedents was because of the economic use of pigs/wild boar especially in the beech forests of northern Europe. (Beech mast is poisonous to horses and cattle, but boar and pigs could "clean" that up allowing livestock to graze on the open forest.)
Practicality and humanity turned into dogma, and hence to an excuse for conflict.
I wonder if this what what the prophets had in mind when they taught?