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  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Given that the vast majority of Romanians don't commit any crimes, why not just say that?

    Farage said he would feel uncomfortable if a group of Romanian men moved next door. not if a Romanian family moved next door.

    But it suits leftys (Cameroons. New Labour and LDs) to overlook that distinction
  • BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408

    Sean_F said:


    UKIP are making the same arguments about immigration that the Conservatives made in 2005. The Conservatives just don't like having their clothes stolen.

    Yes, not just the press, too. I'm impressed by all the firmly anti-racist comments being made here by contributors who don't regularly sound like the Guardian.

    To give a serious reply to Blueberry, there's nothing wrong with collecting information about people's background and using it to help form an opinion, so long as an open mind is kept for them as individuals. Racism (and other isms) in my view is the drawing of conclusions about entire groups with no scope for difference - it's undesirable both because it's unfair and because it erects a wall of perceived difference which gets in the way of sensible mingling. If you think that ALL Romanians are worrying neighbours, how does a law-abiding Romanian go about establishing any kind of neighbourly relationship with you?
    Thanks for the considered response. This line jumped out at me: "Racism (and other isms) in my view..." because it gets to the nub of the problem. Namely, there is no definition of racism that everyone agrees. What's racist to one person is nothing of the sort to another.

    The word has been used by so many people to describe such a broad range of contexts that it's lost its meaning. I seem to remember that McPherson started the ball rolling when he redefined it to include religions, and then Labour passed a law that requires the police to investigate if anyone perceives racism, and then didn't Harman do something with 'protected characteristics' where people self-define and employers have to have quotas, except they're not called quotas? Rubbish legislation.

    But take my example about the Polish work ethic. That's a staple of BBC public information. They never mention Poles without saying we'd be lost without them because of their excellent work ethic. So, is it racist to generalise in positive way about a nationality and, the related question, would it be racist to point out a nationality which has a poor work ethic? Or perhaps a poor record when it comes to crime?

    It's a total mess. And it's all Labour's fault because it successfully conflated racism with concern about immigration all the while allowing millions to settle in the UK whilst having no mandate to do so. And it's not in the past either. What about Barbara Roche and her Eurasism nonsense? Have you been using that word much on the doorstep? I'd include an emoticon with rolling eyes if I knew how. Believe me, this topic is not Labour's strongest suit.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    CD13 said:

    FalseFlag.

    "Yes? The lefty media class really struggle with stats, probabilities and the subsequent stereotypes upon which we base decisions."

    I agree. We evolved to see patterns in behaviour, and for a good reason. If you're looking for a mugger, a twenty-year-old is more likely than an eighty-year-old. And at airport security, a suicide bomber is unlikely to be a seventy-year-old nun, no matter how PC you are.

    Obviously it's statistical but it's also logical. Testosterone imprinting makes a difference - it makes you more likely to be stronger, more violent and less able at languages, but it's only a guide. To ignore it, though, is stupid.

    Racism is silly - the genetic differences are tiny. Culture is much more important. Nature and nurture combine and we're still arguing which is most important.

    A Romanian neighbour is an individual, but if we import a selective group, we may have a significant effect. That is where facts are useful rather than prejudice of either sort.

    You would think intelligent people who are interested in politics and philosophy wouldnt need to be spoon fed such obvious facts
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited May 2014
    isam said:

    Given that the vast majority of Romanians don't commit any crimes, why not just say that?

    Farage said he would feel uncomfortable if a group of Romanian men moved next door. not if a Romanian family moved next door.

    But it suits leftys (Cameroons. New Labour and LDs) to overlook that distinction
    Any Romanian men ? So, he would feel uncomfortable if a Romanian pensioner moved in next door. He is dog whistling. We all know that. You know that too, don't you ?
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366

    Incidentally, I've just returned from a visit to the local (Merseyside) pub with the wife. "Oliver's Army" was playing on the jukebox and yes, he did sing "One less white n*gger." Asterisks for the easily offended.

    Yet no one went shrieking for the doors. Perhaps they're less easily offended up here? Or possibly, it.s the context.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Nigel Farage admitted last night that he was wrong to say that he would be uncomfortable if Romanians moved next door after his party spent 48 hours vigorously defending the remark.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4093649.ece
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2014
    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Given that the vast majority of Romanians don't commit any crimes, why not just say that?

    Farage said he would feel uncomfortable if a group of Romanian men moved next door. not if a Romanian family moved next door.

    But it suits leftys (Cameroons. New Labour and LDs) to overlook that distinction
    Any Romanian men ? So, he would feel uncomfortable if a Romanian pensioner moved in next door. He is dog whistling. We all know that. You know that too, don't you ?
    "A group of"

    I think our views are so far apart it would be a waste of our time and the sites bandwidth to engage
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Scott_P said:

    Nigel Farage admitted last night that he was wrong to say that he would be uncomfortable if Romanians moved next door after his party spent 48 hours vigorously defending the remark.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4093649.ece

    Try watching what he actually said rather than retweeting a load of anti UKIP and anti Farage sites

    Do you know what an unbiased source is?
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Given that the vast majority of Romanians don't commit any crimes, why not just say that?

    Farage said he would feel uncomfortable if a group of Romanian men moved next door. not if a Romanian family moved next door.

    But it suits leftys (Cameroons. New Labour and LDs) to overlook that distinction
    Any Romanian men ? So, he would feel uncomfortable if a Romanian pensioner moved in next door. He is dog whistling. We all know that. You know that too, don't you ?
    "A group of"

    I think our views are so far apart it would be a waste of our time and the sites bandwidth to engage
    Isam, to be clear, are you saying that Farage was purely concerned about it being a group of men and forgot to say he'd have been fine if it was a Romanian family?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2014
    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Given that the vast majority of Romanians don't commit any crimes, why not just say that?

    Farage said he would feel uncomfortable if a group of Romanian men moved next door. not if a Romanian family moved next door.

    But it suits leftys (Cameroons. New Labour and LDs) to overlook that distinction
    Any Romanian men ? So, he would feel uncomfortable if a Romanian pensioner moved in next door. He is dog whistling. We all know that. You know that too, don't you ?
    "A group of"

    I think our views are so far apart it would be a waste of our time and the sites bandwidth to engage
    Isam, to be clear, are you saying that Farage was purely concerned about it being a group of men and forgot to say he'd have been fine if it was a Romanian family?
    Exactly that

    "Challenged on his views on Romania, Mr Farage said: "If a whole load of Romanian men moved in next door to you, would you be concerned about it? Perhaps you would, yes."

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-fights-back-over-race-claims-1.350856
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Corporeal,

    "are you saying that Farage was purely concerned about it being a group of men and forgot to say he'd have been fine if it was a Romanian family?"

    Would the interviewer have given him time to explain?
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    edited May 2014
    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Given that the vast majority of Romanians don't commit any crimes, why not just say that?

    Farage said he would feel uncomfortable if a group of Romanian men moved next door. not if a Romanian family moved next door.

    But it suits leftys (Cameroons. New Labour and LDs) to overlook that distinction
    Any Romanian men ? So, he would feel uncomfortable if a Romanian pensioner moved in next door. He is dog whistling. We all know that. You know that too, don't you ?
    "A group of"

    I think our views are so far apart it would be a waste of our time and the sites bandwidth to engage
    Isam, to be clear, are you saying that Farage was purely concerned about it being a group of men and forgot to say he'd have been fine if it was a Romanian family?
    Exactly that

    "Challenged on his views on Romania, Mr Farage said: "If a whole load of Romanian men moved in next door to you, would you be concerned about it? Perhaps you would, yes."

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-fights-back-over-race-claims-1.350856
    Fwiw the UKIP statement didn't seem to think the men aspect of it important, they generalised it out to a group of Romanian people. If you're right about him focusing on men rather than families, why didn't he say that in one of his rebuttals?
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    CD13 said:

    Corporeal,

    "are you saying that Farage was purely concerned about it being a group of men and forgot to say he'd have been fine if it was a Romanian family?"

    Would the interviewer have given him time to explain?

    I think so, plus he's had numerous rebuttals, UKIP have put out statements, etc to make that point.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Channel 4 reporting on polling done by Ipsos Mori. I found it interesting.

    http://www.channel4.com/news/10-things-britons-think-about-britain-that-are-wrong
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    corporeal said:

    Channel 4 reporting on polling done by Ipsos Mori. I found it interesting.

    http://www.channel4.com/news/10-things-britons-think-about-britain-that-are-wrong

    http://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/local-news/update-men-from-dewsbury-and-heckmondwike-jailed-for-human-trafficking-1-6615353

    "Workers lived in accommodation in Ravensthorpe, Batley, Heckmondwike and Bradford. Up to 50 men were kept in a single Batley house.

    Beatings were regularly dished out by Orsos. One of the house rules was that no one could ever say ‘no’ to him.

    They were then sent to work throughout Dewsbury, Bradford and Wakefield."

    I wonder if you asked people how many houses like this there were in the country to the nearest 10,000 what the average answer would be?

    Although of course there'd be no way of knowing who picked the right number because the political class want it kept hidden as it would blow all their other bogus stats out of the water.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Given that the vast majority of Romanians don't commit any crimes, why not just say that?

    Farage said he would feel uncomfortable if a group of Romanian men moved next door. not if a Romanian family moved next door.

    But it suits leftys (Cameroons. New Labour and LDs) to overlook that distinction
    Any Romanian men ? So, he would feel uncomfortable if a Romanian pensioner moved in next door. He is dog whistling. We all know that. You know that too, don't you ?
    "A group of"

    I think our views are so far apart it would be a waste of our time and the sites bandwidth to engage
    Isam, to be clear, are you saying that Farage was purely concerned about it being a group of men and forgot to say he'd have been fine if it was a Romanian family?
    Exactly that

    "Challenged on his views on Romania, Mr Farage said: "If a whole load of Romanian men moved in next door to you, would you be concerned about it? Perhaps you would, yes."

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-fights-back-over-race-claims-1.350856
    Fwiw the UKIP statement didn't seem to think the men aspect of it important, they generalised it out to a group of Romanian people. If you're right about him focusing on men rather than families, why didn't he say that in one of his rebuttals?
    The quote I linked to was his original statement on the issue which led to the question asked in the LBC interview, which was based on falsehoods throughout.

    The words have been twisted by the media to make it sound as though he was talking about Romanians in general, and everyone is so keen to see UKIP suffer that they have fallen for it

    Rational analysis has gone out of the window in the last three weeks, as long as its bad for UKIP its fair game




  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Given that the vast majority of Romanians don't commit any crimes, why not just say that?

    Farage said he would feel uncomfortable if a group of Romanian men moved next door. not if a Romanian family moved next door.

    But it suits leftys (Cameroons. New Labour and LDs) to overlook that distinction
    Any Romanian men ? So, he would feel uncomfortable if a Romanian pensioner moved in next door. He is dog whistling. We all know that. You know that too, don't you ?
    "A group of"

    I think our views are so far apart it would be a waste of our time and the sites bandwidth to engage
    Isam, to be clear, are you saying that Farage was purely concerned about it being a group of men and forgot to say he'd have been fine if it was a Romanian family?
    Exactly that

    "Challenged on his views on Romania, Mr Farage said: "If a whole load of Romanian men moved in next door to you, would you be concerned about it? Perhaps you would, yes."

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-fights-back-over-race-claims-1.350856
    Fwiw the UKIP statement didn't seem to think the men aspect of it important, they generalised it out to a group of Romanian people. If you're right about him focusing on men rather than families, why didn't he say that in one of his rebuttals?
    The quote I linked to was his original statement on the issue which led to the question asked in the LBC interview, which was based on falsehoods throughout.

    The words have been twisted by the media to make it sound as though he was talking about Romanians in general, and everyone is so keen to see UKIP suffer that they have fallen for it

    Rational analysis has gone out of the window in the last three weeks, as long as its bad for UKIP its fair game

    I was quoting the UKIP statement they put out. "a group of Romanian people".
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2014
    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Given that the vast majority of Romanians don't commit any crimes, why not just say that?

    Farage said he would feel uncomfortable if a group of Romanian men moved next door. not if a Romanian family moved next door.

    But it suits leftys (Cameroons. New Labour and LDs) to overlook that distinction
    Any Romanian men ? So, he would feel uncomfortable if a Romanian pensioner moved in next door. He is dog whistling. We all know that. You know that too, don't you ?
    "A group of"

    I think our views are so far apart it would be a waste of our time and the sites bandwidth to engage
    Isam, to be clear, are you saying that Farage was purely concerned about it being a group of men and forgot to say he'd have been fine if it was a Romanian family?
    Exactly that

    "Challenged on his views on Romania, Mr Farage said: "If a whole load of Romanian men moved in next door to you, would you be concerned about it? Perhaps you would, yes."

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-fights-back-over-race-claims-1.350856
    Fwiw the UKIP statement didn't seem to think the men aspect of it important, they generalised it out to a group of Romanian people. If you're right about him focusing on men rather than families, why didn't he say that in one of his rebuttals?
    The quote I linked to was his original statement on the issue which led to the question asked in the LBC interview, which was based on falsehoods throughout.

    The words have been twisted by the media to make it sound as though he was talking about Romanians in general, and everyone is so keen to see UKIP suffer that they have fallen for it

    Rational analysis has gone out of the window in the last three weeks, as long as its bad for UKIP its fair game

    I was quoting the UKIP statement they put out. "a group of Romanian people".
    Yes, you are quoting that because it suits your agenda.. Farage actually said " a group of Romanian men" thats why O'Brien asked the question

    As I say, the whole interview was founded on lies. Anti Kippers are prepared to swallow them as it keeps the consensus cosy
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    edited May 2014
    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Given that the vast majority of Romanians don't commit any crimes, why not just say that?

    Farage said he would feel uncomfortable if a group of Romanian men moved next door. not if a Romanian family moved next door.

    But it suits leftys (Cameroons. New Labour and LDs) to overlook that distinction
    Any Romanian men ? So, he would feel uncomfortable if a Romanian pensioner moved in next door. He is dog whistling. We all know that. You know that too, don't you ?
    "A group of"

    I think our views are so far apart it would be a waste of our time and the sites bandwidth to engage
    Isam, to be clear, are you saying that Farage was purely concerned about it being a group of men and forgot to say he'd have been fine if it was a Romanian family?
    Exactly that

    "Challenged on his views on Romania, Mr Farage said: "If a whole load of Romanian men moved in next door to you, would you be concerned about it? Perhaps you would, yes."

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-fights-back-over-race-claims-1.350856
    Fwiw the UKIP statement didn't seem to think the men aspect of it important, they generalised it out to a group of Romanian people. If you're right about him focusing on men rather than families, why didn't he say that in one of his rebuttals?
    The quote I linked to was his original statement on the issue which led to the question asked in the LBC interview, which was based on falsehoods throughout.

    The words have been twisted by the media to make it sound as though he was talking about Romanians in general, and everyone is so keen to see UKIP suffer that they have fallen for it

    Rational analysis has gone out of the window in the last three weeks, as long as its bad for UKIP its fair game

    I was quoting the UKIP statement they put out. "a group of Romanian people".
    Yes, you are quoting that because it suits your agenda.. Farage actually said " a group of Romanian men" thats why O'Brien asked the question

    As I say, the whole interview was founded on lies. Anti Kippers are prepared to swallow them as it keeps the consensus cosy
    Quoting UKIP's statement suits my anti-ukip agenda?
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    corporeal said:


    Quoting UKIP's statement suits my anti-ukip agenda?

    How many houses do you think there are in the country that are housing 12+ people working illegally?

    Do you admit that if there were many thousands of houses like that it would impact every single one of the political class' bogus stats ?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    I see that the anti-Kipper brigade on PB are now foaming at the mouth. Every time they write something about UKIP or Farage it's now a peon of hate.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    MikeK said:

    I see that the anti-Kipper brigade on PB are now foaming at the mouth. Every time they write something about UKIP or Farage it's now a peon of hate.

    I have it bad, I can't even quote UKIP statements without it being part of my anti-UKIP agenda.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Given that the vast majority of Romanians don't commit any crimes, why not just say that?

    Farage said he would feel uncomfortable if a group of Romanian men moved next door. not if a Romanian family moved next door.

    But it suits leftys (Cameroons. New Labour and LDs) to overlook that distinction
    Any Romanian men ? So, he would feel uncomfortable if a Romanian pensioner moved in next door. He is dog whistling. We all know that. You know that too, don't you ?
    "A group of"

    /blockquote>

    ?
    Exactly that

    "Challenged on his views on Romania, Mr Farage said: "If a whole load of Romanian men moved in next door to you, would you be concerned about it? Perhaps you would, yes."

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-fights-back-over-race-claims-1.350856
    Fwiw the UKIP statement didn't seem to think the men aspect of it important, they generalised it out to a group of Romanian people. If you're right about him focusing on men rather than families, why didn't he say that in one of his rebuttals?
    The quote I linked to was his original statement on the issue which led to the question asked in the LBC interview, which was based on falsehoods throughout.

    The words have been twisted by the media to make it sound as though he was talking about Romanians in general, and everyone is so keen to see UKIP suffer that they have fallen for it

    Rational analysis has gone out of the window in the last three weeks, as long as its bad for UKIP its fair game

    I was quoting the UKIP statement they put out. "a group of Romanian people".
    Yes, you are quoting that because it suits your agenda.. Farage actually said " a group of Romanian men" thats why O'Brien asked the question

    As I say, the whole interview was founded on lies. Anti Kippers are prepared to swallow them as it keeps the consensus cosy
    Quoting UKIP's statement suits my anti-ukip agenda?
    If you want to believe that Farage hates all Romanian people then I cant stop you., and what does it matter anyway, youre gonna vote Lib Dem. I can tell the difference between one thing and another. If I thought he despised all Romanians because they were Romanian, I wouldnt vote UKIP.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    I wouldn't wast your time and energy on them, isam. They are deaf to everything but their own phobias.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Given that the vast majority of Romanians don't commit any crimes, why not just say that?

    Farage said he would feel uncomfortable if a group of Romanian men moved next door. not if a Romanian family moved next door.

    But it suits leftys (Cameroons. New Labour and LDs) to overlook that distinction
    Any Romanian men ? So, he would feel uncomfortable if a Romanian pensioner moved in next door. He is dog whistling. We all know that. You know that too, don't you ?
    "A group of"

    /blockquote>

    ?
    Exactly that

    "Challenged on his views on Romania, Mr Farage said: "If a whole load of Romanian men moved in next door to you, would you be concerned about it? Perhaps you would, yes."

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-fights-back-over-race-claims-1.350856
    Fwiw the UKIP statement didn't seem to think the men aspect of it important, they generalised it out to a group of Romanian people. If you're right about him focusing on men rather than families, why didn't he say that in one of his rebuttals?
    The quote I linked to was his original statement on the issue which led to the question asked in the LBC interview, which was based on falsehoods throughout.

    The words have been twisted by the media to make it sound as though he was talking about Romanians in general, and everyone is so keen to see UKIP suffer that they have fallen for it

    Rational analysis has gone out of the window in the last three weeks, as long as its bad for UKIP its fair game

    I was quoting the UKIP statement they put out. "a group of Romanian people".
    Yes, you are quoting that because it suits your agenda.. Farage actually said " a group of Romanian men" thats why O'Brien asked the question

    As I say, the whole interview was founded on lies. Anti Kippers are prepared to swallow them as it keeps the consensus cosy
    Quoting UKIP's statement suits my anti-ukip agenda?
    If you want to believe that Farage hates all Romanian people then I cant stop you., and what does it matter anyway, youre gonna vote Lib Dem. I can tell the difference between one thing and another. If I thought he despised all Romanians because they were Romanian, I wouldnt vote UKIP.
    If you believe Farage was referring specifically and exclusively to a group of men, why don't either his or UKIP's rebuttals make that point?
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    isam said:


    If you want to believe that Farage hates all Romanian people then I cant stop you., and what does it matter anyway, youre gonna vote Lib Dem. I can tell the difference between one thing and another. If I thought he despised all Romanians because they were Romanian, I wouldnt vote UKIP.

    It's just a tactic. The political class focus on this to deflect attention from the reality on the ground

    http://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/local-news/update-men-from-dewsbury-and-heckmondwike-jailed-for-human-trafficking-1-6615353


  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Given that the vast majority of Romanians don't commit any crimes, why not just say that?

    Any Romanian men ? So, he would feel uncomfortable if a Romanian pensioner moved in next door. He is dog whistling. We all know that. You know that too, don't you ?
    "A group of"

    /blockquote>

    ?
    Exactly that

    "Challenged on his views on Romania, Mr Farage said: "If a whole load of Romanian men moved in next door to you, would you be concerned about it? Perhaps you would, yes."

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-fights-back-over-race-claims-1.350856
    Fwiw the UKIP statement didn't seem to think the men aspect of it important, they generalised it out to a group of Romanian people. If you're right about him focusing on men rather than families, why didn't he say that in one of his rebuttals?
    I was quoting the UKIP statement they put out. "a group of Romanian people".
    Yes, you are quoting that because it suits your agenda.. Farage actually said " a group of Romanian men" thats why O'Brien asked the question

    As I say, the whole interview was founded on lies. Anti Kippers are prepared to swallow them as it keeps the consensus cosy
    Quoting UKIP's statement suits my anti-ukip agenda?
    If you want to believe that Farage hates all Romanian people then I cant stop you., and what does it matter anyway, youre gonna vote Lib Dem. I can tell the difference between one thing and another. If I thought he despised all Romanians because they were Romanian, I wouldnt vote UKIP.
    If you believe Farage was referring specifically and exclusively to a group of men, why don't either his or UKIP's rebuttals make that point?
    What was the quote that started the whole furore?

    "Challenged on his views on Romania, Mr Farage said: "If a whole load of Romanian men moved in next door to you, would you be concerned about it? Perhaps you would, yes."

    As I say you will choose toh ear whatever suits your political persuasion, Im sure we are all guilty of it.

  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    corporeal said:


    If you believe Farage was referring specifically and exclusively to a group of men, why don't either his or UKIP's rebuttals make that point?

    Do you think the Lib Dems would be polling better if they'd told the truth about this kind of thing?

    http://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/local-news/update-men-from-dewsbury-and-heckmondwike-jailed-for-human-trafficking-1-6615353

    Do you think the political class could maintain the PC narrative about evil natives being mean to furriners if they told the truth about it?
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    corporeal said:

    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Given that the vast majority of Romanians don't commit any crimes, why not just say that?

    Any Romanian men ? So, he would feel uncomfortable if a Romanian pensioner moved in next door. He is dog whistling. We all know that. You know that too, don't you ?
    "A group of"

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    ?
    Exactly that

    "Challenged on his views on Romania, Mr Farage said: "If a whole load of Romanian men moved in next door to you, would you be concerned about it? Perhaps you would, yes."

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-fights-back-over-race-claims-1.350856
    Fwiw the UKIP statement didn't seem to think the men aspect of it important, they generalised it out to a group of Romanian people. If you're right about him focusing on men rather than families, why didn't he say that in one of his rebuttals?
    I was quoting the UKIP statement they put out. "a group of Romanian people".
    Yes, you are quoting that because it suits your agenda.. Farage actually said " a group of Romanian men" thats why O'Brien asked the question

    As I say, the whole interview was founded on lies. Anti Kippers are prepared to swallow them as it keeps the consensus cosy
    Quoting UKIP's statement suits my anti-ukip agenda?
    If you want to believe that Farage hates all Romanian people then I cant stop you., and what does it matter anyway, youre gonna vote Lib Dem. I can tell the difference between one thing and another. If I thought he despised all Romanians because they were Romanian, I wouldnt vote UKIP.
    If you believe Farage was referring specifically and exclusively to a group of men, why don't either his or UKIP's rebuttals make that point?
    What was the quote that started the whole furore?

    "Challenged on his views on Romania, Mr Farage said: "If a whole load of Romanian men moved in next door to you, would you be concerned about it? Perhaps you would, yes."

    As I say you will choose toh ear whatever suits your political persuasion, Im sure we are all guilty of it.

    It's the UKIP statement, posted on their website, intended to clarify the interview.

    Should we not pay attention to UKIP statements?
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    The political class can't admit the truth or even the possibility of the truth because the second they do so it becomes a rational discussion over cost vs benefit. They have to pretend it's all benefit and no cost to maintain their "it's all racism" position.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    corporeal said:

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    isam said:

    Given that the vast majority of Romanians don't commit any crimes, why not just say that?

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    "A group of"

    /blockquote>

    ?
    Exactly that

    "Challenged on his views on Romania, Mr Farage said: "If a whole load of Romanian men moved in next door to you, would you be concerned about it? Perhaps you would, yes."

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-fights-back-over-race-claims-1.350856
    Fwiw the UKIP statement didn't seem to think the men aspect of it important, they generalised it out to a group of Romanian people. If you're right about him focusing on men rather than families, why didn't he say that in one of his rebuttals?
    Quoting UKIP's statement suits my anti-ukip agenda?
    If you want to believe that Farage hates all Romanian people then I cant stop you., and what does it matter anyway, youre gonna vote Lib Dem. I can tell the difference between one thing and another. If I thought he despised all Romanians because they were Romanian, I wouldnt vote UKIP.
    If you believe Farage was referring specifically and exclusively to a group of men, why don't either his or UKIP's rebuttals make that point?
    What was the quote that started the whole furore?

    "Challenged on his views on Romania, Mr Farage said: "If a whole load of Romanian men moved in next door to you, would you be concerned about it? Perhaps you would, yes."

    As I say you will choose toh ear whatever suits your political persuasion, Im sure we are all guilty of it.

    It's the UKIP statement, posted on their website, intended to clarify the interview.

    Should we not pay attention to UKIP statements?
    Split hairs and dance on the head of a pin as long as you like, it doesnt bother me.

    If he had said "all Romanians" to begin with, then changed it to "Romanian men" you would be complaining about that as well

    If people agree with you they'll vote Lib Dem, if they agree with me they'll vote UKIP so be it

  • shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672
    MrJones said:

    The political class can't admit the truth or even the possibility of the truth because the second they do so it becomes a rational discussion over cost vs benefit. They have to pretend it's all benefit and no cost to maintain their "it's all racism" position.

    Yes.

    How would they otherwise fill an interview with Mr F if they didn't shriek wacist? At some point they would need to engage with facts re the Eu and then, well, become supporters of the unsupportable.

    But UKIP keeps on growing and already millions reject the propaganda.

    I can't see how they can manage an entire year of it, and they'll need to if UKIP plateaus in the 20's, without the msm becoming a laughing stock
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    isam said:



    Split hairs and dance on the head of a pin as long as you like, it doesnt bother me.

    If he had said "all Romanians" to begin with, then changed it to "Romanian men" you would be complaining about that as well

    If people agree with you they'll vote Lib Dem, if they agree with me they'll vote UKIP so be it


    You have a remarkable disdain for UKIP press releases to describe them as being part of an anti-UKIP agenda, and your explanation of Farage's comments don't match-up with UKIP's official defence.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564

    Daily Record Survation poll of 1003 Scottish voters for the European parliament...

    What are the changes comparing with?

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