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  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    HYUFD said:

    Shiney2 I would love to see Salmond's face on Friday if UKIP picks up its first Scottish MEP. YES has spent the last month promising the Scots will be free of the Tories for ever, and what do the Scots do, but elect an MEP from a party even more Thatcherite than the Tories!!

    If you really think that that is going to happen, why not nip over to BetVictor, where you can get a lovely 7/4 on UKIP picking up a Scottish MEP. How much have you got on?

    Best prices - UKIP to win a Scottish MEP

    Yes 7/4 (BetVictor)
    No 1/2 (Ladbrokes)
    Farage thinks its 1/100!
  • shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672
    @Alanb

    "any sensible person would just leave them alone. "


    Shushhh!
  • Tim_B said:

    My next door neighbor - who bought his home new at the same time as I did, has just sold his house after it being on the market for less than a month.

    The actual price won't appear online until closing in 2 weeks, but he tells me he got more than he paid for it in 2005.

    Given where the real estate market has been here the last 5-6 years that is encouraging news, even though his home is substantially smaller than mine.

    It's still a buyers market here.

    Are we supposed to be impressed?
    Rightmove report that asking prices for houses in Greater London have increased in price by 41.8% since October 2007, i.e. over the past 6.5 years.
    Oh and congratulations and thank you for informing us that you have a bigger house than your neighbour!
  • HYUFD said:

    EUvox VoterMatch for EU elections. If you still have not decided, take the test and see which party you should vote for on Thursday
    http://eu1.euvox.eu/eng/

    Mine came in at half UKIP and half Tory. The rest a loooong way behind

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0

    back to create more votes for the kippers Mr P.

    There is something wondrous in the Rindvieh stupidity of the modern conservative party, any sensible person would just leave them alone.
    That's it, Mr. Brooke.

    I'm calling the Police.

    http://bit.ly/1p3oLqa
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2014

    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0

    back to create more votes for the kippers Mr P.

    There is something wondrous in the Rindvieh stupidity of the modern conservative party, any sensible person would just leave them alone.
    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0


    Given that Romanians make up 0.002% of the population, is it necessarily a positive that they make up 0.6% of the prison population?
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Haha this is great!

    James DEA ‏@hsdeal 20h
    Allegedly she said "I don't care where you f***ing post this, just f**k off!" - UKIP Ashford campaign for @JaniceUKIP pic.twitter.com/N8miGjC9Du

    Wellington was more elegant in his phrasing

    http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/14599.html
    True, but then Wellington was a gentleman and he was Irish.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    edited May 2014
    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0

    back to create more votes for the kippers Mr P.

    There is something wondrous in the Rindvieh stupidity of the modern conservative party, any sensible person would just leave them alone.
    That's it, Mr. Brooke.

    I'm calling the Police.

    http://bit.ly/1p3oLqa
    I think this is the correct response.

    http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=A111GB128&p=nwa+the+police
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Good evening, everyone.

    I much prefer winter to summer. Damned heat.

    Anyway, Libya is not necessarily going very well (and I suspect this is not necessarily a surprise):
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-27462921

    Agreed on both points. I disagreed with both main UK parties on the intervention - opportunist and not clear that it would produce anything better.
    Yet a city was about to be slaughtered in their thousands. Pretty much everything seems better than that.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    isam said:

    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0

    back to create more votes for the kippers Mr P.

    There is something wondrous in the Rindvieh stupidity of the modern conservative party, any sensible person would just leave them alone.
    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0


    Given that Romanians make up 0.002% of the population, is it necessarily a positive that they make up 0.6% of the prison population?
    For goodness sake, Mr Isam! You have been told before any facts you introduce into any discussion just adds to the proof that you are a filthy racist and therefore proves that such "facts" are actually made up and are thus even more proof of the fact that you should be cast out and made to dwell in the lands of the uncircumcised.
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    isam said:

    HYUFD said:

    Shiney2 I would love to see Salmond's face on Friday if UKIP picks up its first Scottish MEP. YES has spent the last month promising the Scots will be free of the Tories for ever, and what do the Scots do, but elect an MEP from a party even more Thatcherite than the Tories!!

    If you really think that that is going to happen, why not nip over to BetVictor, where you can get a lovely 7/4 on UKIP picking up a Scottish MEP. How much have you got on?

    Best prices - UKIP to win a Scottish MEP

    Yes 7/4 (BetVictor)
    No 1/2 (Ladbrokes)
    Farage thinks its 1/100!
    Yes, I noticed that. Not terribly convinced myself, but 7/4 might be worth 50 quid?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    isam said:

    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0

    back to create more votes for the kippers Mr P.

    There is something wondrous in the Rindvieh stupidity of the modern conservative party, any sensible person would just leave them alone.
    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0


    Given that Romanians make up 0.002% of the population, is it necessarily a positive that they make up 0.6% of the prison population?
    http://bit.ly/RN3Oo7
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Haha this is great!

    James DEA ‏@hsdeal 20h
    Allegedly she said "I don't care where you f***ing post this, just f**k off!" - UKIP Ashford campaign for @JaniceUKIP pic.twitter.com/N8miGjC9Du

    Wellington was more elegant in his phrasing

    http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/14599.html
    True, but then Wellington was a gentleman and he was Irish.
    There are those who might argue that Wellington was Anglo-Irish, not Irish...
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited May 2014
    ComRes has UKIP at 61% in Eastern Region of England,

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/18/UKIP-61-percent-eastern-region

    In 2009, ComRes was the closest pollster to the actual election results.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    New Thread needed: Whatever will happen to the Liberal Democrats ?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    ComRes , I am afraid has really right royally F****d this one up.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Haha this is great!

    James DEA ‏@hsdeal 20h
    Allegedly she said "I don't care where you f***ing post this, just f**k off!" - UKIP Ashford campaign for @JaniceUKIP pic.twitter.com/N8miGjC9Du

    Wellington was more elegant in his phrasing

    http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/14599.html
    True, but then Wellington was a gentleman and he was Irish.
    There are those who might argue that Wellington was Anglo-Irish, not Irish...
    Wellington is supposed to have said something about being born in a stable making you neither a horse nor a saviour. He was certainly a member of the Anglo-Irish ascendancy.

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    Socrates said:



    Yet a city was about to be slaughtered in their thousands. Pretty much everything seems better than that.

    The evidence for that was some blood-curdling radio propaganda by Gaddafi's son - why aren't we intervening in South Sudan, for instance, where the evidence is much stronger? And although I'd probably have been up for protecting the city, it became rapidly obvious that our real objective was regime change to...er....

    It might still prove a good idea, of course, but having supported the Iraq invasion partly with "better government for the people there" in mind, I've grown wary. Essentially we pick a side, kill people who support the other side, and then sooner or later lose interest and wander off. I don't say it's not sometimes better than doing nothing, but we do it too often.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Hertsmere Yes, it is useful, I got Tory for Euro elections at least
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    edited May 2014
    SD Yes, I may have a little bet on them doing just that. Shiney2 We will see on Thursday if Scots are beginning to ditch Salmond for Farage
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0

    back to create more votes for the kippers Mr P.

    There is something wondrous in the Rindvieh stupidity of the modern conservative party, any sensible person would just leave them alone.
    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0


    Given that Romanians make up 0.002% of the population, is it necessarily a positive that they make up 0.6% of the prison population?
    For goodness sake, Mr Isam! You have been told before any facts you introduce into any discussion just adds to the proof that you are a filthy racist and therefore proves that such "facts" are actually made up and are thus even more proof of the fact that you should be cast out and made to dwell in the lands of the uncircumcised.
    Apols!

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033

    isam said:

    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0

    back to create more votes for the kippers Mr P.

    There is something wondrous in the Rindvieh stupidity of the modern conservative party, any sensible person would just leave them alone.
    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0


    Given that Romanians make up 0.002% of the population, is it necessarily a positive that they make up 0.6% of the prison population?
    For goodness sake, Mr Isam! You have been told before any facts you introduce into any discussion just adds to the proof that you are a filthy racist and therefore proves that such "facts" are actually made up and are thus even more proof of the fact that you should be cast out and made to dwell in the lands of the uncircumcised.
    People who misuse statistics like this piss me off no end.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    edited May 2014
    Life in a Market Town Not one NATO soldier has set foot on Libyan soil. Parliament's vote against Syrian intervention has put paid to any further imminent Middle East adventures
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366

    Interesting test on voting suitability. I came over as a weak match for all - except for the Greens. I'll vote Ukip for the first time this month - I like to stick up for the underdog.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    ComRes has UKIP at 61% in Eastern Region of England,

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/18/UKIP-61-percent-eastern-region

    In 2009, ComRes was the closest pollster to the actual election results.

    Subsample tastic!

    (as an aside, when I went to the Breibart website it had an advert for asian girls available for marriage. Is that Breitbart or just the SeanT effect?)
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    surbiton said:

    New Thread needed: Whatever will happen to the Liberal Democrats ?


    Chopin wrote this for such an occasion - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnOjL5Fzp-s

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    HYUFD said:

    Shiney2 I would love to see Salmond's face on Friday if UKIP picks up its first Scottish MEP. YES has spent the last month promising the Scots will be free of the Tories for ever, and what do the Scots do, but elect an MEP from a party even more Thatcherite than the Tories!!

    If you really think that that is going to happen, why not nip over to BetVictor, where you can get a lovely 7/4 on UKIP picking up a Scottish MEP. How much have you got on?

    Best prices - UKIP to win a Scottish MEP

    Yes 7/4 (BetVictor)
    No 1/2 (Ladbrokes)
    Farage thinks its 1/100!
    Yes, I noticed that. Not terribly convinced myself, but 7/4 might be worth 50 quid?
    I really wouldnt know. Wonder what makes him so certain?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0

    back to create more votes for the kippers Mr P.

    There is something wondrous in the Rindvieh stupidity of the modern conservative party, any sensible person would just leave them alone.
    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0


    Given that Romanians make up 0.002% of the population, is it necessarily a positive that they make up 0.6% of the prison population?
    For goodness sake, Mr Isam! You have been told before any facts you introduce into any discussion just adds to the proof that you are a filthy racist and therefore proves that such "facts" are actually made up and are thus even more proof of the fact that you should be cast out and made to dwell in the lands of the uncircumcised.
    People who misuse statistics like this piss me off no end.
    Me?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    surbiton said:

    ComRes , I am afraid has really right royally F****d this one up.
    It's a subsample of 78 people, what do you expect?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0

    back to create more votes for the kippers Mr P.

    There is something wondrous in the Rindvieh stupidity of the modern conservative party, any sensible person would just leave them alone.
    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0


    Given that Romanians make up 0.002% of the population, is it necessarily a positive that they make up 0.6% of the prison population?
    For goodness sake, Mr Isam! You have been told before any facts you introduce into any discussion just adds to the proof that you are a filthy racist and therefore proves that such "facts" are actually made up and are thus even more proof of the fact that you should be cast out and made to dwell in the lands of the uncircumcised.
    People who misuse statistics like this piss me off no end.
    Me?
    No the maker of the bar chart!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0

    back to create more votes for the kippers Mr P.

    There is something wondrous in the Rindvieh stupidity of the modern conservative party, any sensible person would just leave them alone.
    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0


    Given that Romanians make up 0.002% of the population, is it necessarily a positive that they make up 0.6% of the prison population?
    For goodness sake, Mr Isam! You have been told before any facts you introduce into any discussion just adds to the proof that you are a filthy racist and therefore proves that such "facts" are actually made up and are thus even more proof of the fact that you should be cast out and made to dwell in the lands of the uncircumcised.
    People who misuse statistics like this piss me off no end.
    Me?
    No the maker of the bar chart!
    Oh right! Phew!
  • shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672

    ComRes has UKIP at 61% in Eastern Region of England,

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/18/UKIP-61-percent-eastern-region

    In 2009, ComRes was the closest pollster to the actual election results.

    LibLabConGrBNP 37

    UKIP 61


    That's quite encouraging..
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0

    back to create more votes for the kippers Mr P.

    There is something wondrous in the Rindvieh stupidity of the modern conservative party, any sensible person would just leave them alone.
    AveryLP said:

    Evening all.

    Time for an election bar chart, methinks.

    http://bit.ly/1keVjx0


    Given that Romanians make up 0.002% of the population, is it necessarily a positive that they make up 0.6% of the prison population?
    For goodness sake, Mr Isam! You have been told before any facts you introduce into any discussion just adds to the proof that you are a filthy racist and therefore proves that such "facts" are actually made up and are thus even more proof of the fact that you should be cast out and made to dwell in the lands of the uncircumcised.
    People who misuse statistics like this piss me off no end.
    Me?
    No the maker of the bar chart!
    Oh right! Phew!
    Althought saying that, I do love a good Lib Dem-style bar chart ;-)
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312

    HYUFD said:

    MorrisDancer Libya is nothing to do with us now, all we did was provide some cover for the rebels to topple Gaddafi, what they do now is up to them

    UNSC resolution 1973 authorised the protection of civilians, including by the imposition of a no fly zone. It did not authorise the aiding and abetting of one side in a civil war, which is what we did. Our misuse of the resolution is one of the reasons the Russians distrust us so much.
    I guess he distrusted Perfidious Albion a long time before that. But to win a war you should lie, you should cheat, and you should scheme. One of Blair's grosser failings,to my mind, was that he was happy to lie to me, his employer, but not to my country's enemies when he sought to wage war against them.

    Gaddafi waged war on us for many years, we should have had him a long time ago. Revenge is a dish best served cold etc etc.
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Liverpool surely deserves better than these very nasty Ukip candidates.Horrible people.Racist doesn't cover it.

    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/wannabe-liverpool-ukip-councillor-wants-7134800
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited May 2014
    MikeK said:

    Nope! 50%± of passengers and crew survived, believe it or not.

    Surprisingly better than that - nearly two thirds survived!

  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312

    Socrates said:



    Yet a city was about to be slaughtered in their thousands. Pretty much everything seems better than that.

    The evidence for that was some blood-curdling radio propaganda by Gaddafi's son - why aren't we intervening in South Sudan, for instance, where the evidence is much stronger? And although I'd probably have been up for protecting the city, it became rapidly obvious that our real objective was regime change to...er....

    It might still prove a good idea, of course, but having supported the Iraq invasion partly with "better government for the people there" in mind, I've grown wary. Essentially we pick a side, kill people who support the other side, and then sooner or later lose interest and wander off. I don't say it's not sometimes better than doing nothing, but we do it too often.

    I think attempting nation building is stupid. You go to war to protect your country's interests, and defeat your country's enemies, either when all else has failed or when analysis suggests your foe is so implacable that that is the only option.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited May 2014
    Stone the crows, I go away for two days and polling becomes tres interesting.

    Obviously the most important polling of the weekend was the ICM Wisdom Index (which ICM said was the most accurate polling at the last GE) which put the Tories on 31.4 per cent, to Labour’s 30.7 per cent.

    Re which pollster is going to get the Euros right and which ones are going to get them wrong, there is a third possibility, they could all be wrong.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Superb.

    No it isn't, its dangerous, because it starts from the assumption that anybody who wants to question mass immigration in any way must be a moron. It assumes that certain society-changing policies successive governments have adopted without a mandate should be sealed off from criticism.

    In short, it is the reason we have UKIP.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    ComRes has UKIP at 61% in Eastern Region of England,

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/18/UKIP-61-percent-eastern-region

    In 2009, ComRes was the closest pollster to the actual election results.

    That's quite good.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    there is a third possibility, they could all be wrong.

    Got any hunches? I think the labour polls percentage bears no relation to the numbers that will actually turn out to vote for ed on polling day.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    taffys said:

    Superb.

    No it isn't, its dangerous, because it starts from the assumption that anybody who wants to question mass immigration in any way must be a moron. It assumes that certain society-changing policies successive governments have adopted without a mandate should be sealed off from criticism.

    In short, it is the reason we have UKIP.

    Calm down, taffys.

    It is (good) satirical comedy.

    The video was never designed to save the world.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    taffys said:

    there is a third possibility, they could all be wrong.

    Got any hunches? I think the labour polls percentage bears no relation to the numbers that will actually turn out to vote for ed on polling day.

    Ukip are almost always understated in polls compared to result
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    HYUFD said:

    SD Yes, I may have a little bet on them doing just that. Shiney2 We will see on Thursday if Scots are beginning to ditch Salmond for Farage

    If UKIP get a Scottish MEP then it is far more likely that it will be Ruth Davidson's bunch rather than Alex Salmond's team feeling the pain.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    taffys said:

    Superb.

    No it isn't, its dangerous, because it starts from the assumption that anybody who wants to question mass immigration in any way must be a moron. It assumes that certain society-changing policies successive governments have adopted without a mandate should be sealed off from criticism.

    In short, it is the reason we have UKIP.

    Wasting your breath Taffys the tories, labour and lib dem shills on here are busily engaged in putting their fingers in their ears and alteranating shouts of UKIP filthy racists with shouts of lalala I cant hear you

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    HYUFD said:

    Some hilarious abuse of Owen Jones on Twitter after he criticised Modi

    twitter.com/id2talk/status/468051174185132033

    Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2 ·6 mins
    @HYUFD1 @id2talk @OwenJones84 @gsurya Congress also had blood on hands in 1984 in wake of Mrs. Gandhi's murder by guards who were Sikh...
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    shiney2 said:

    ComRes has UKIP at 61% in Eastern Region of England,

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/18/UKIP-61-percent-eastern-region

    In 2009, ComRes was the closest pollster to the actual election results.

    LibLabConGrBNP 37

    UKIP 61


    That's quite encouraging..
    Based on a sample size of 78 people.

    Based on 5-10 voting intention, the Conservatives lead UKIP lead Lab in far more plausible 36/32/23.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    @JohnLilburne

    John

    Do you think the nation-building that took place in Germany and in Japan after WW2 was 'stupid'.

    Do you think the reluctance to nation-build in Iraq after the removal of Saddam was wise?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Apparently Nige has realised the interview last week was not entirely helpful

    @WikiGuido: Farage tells ITV he "regrets" his comments on Romanians on LBC, says he was "tired out" and "sometimes we get things wrong"
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    isam said:

    isam said:

    HYUFD said:

    Shiney2 I would love to see Salmond's face on Friday if UKIP picks up its first Scottish MEP. YES has spent the last month promising the Scots will be free of the Tories for ever, and what do the Scots do, but elect an MEP from a party even more Thatcherite than the Tories!!

    If you really think that that is going to happen, why not nip over to BetVictor, where you can get a lovely 7/4 on UKIP picking up a Scottish MEP. How much have you got on?

    Best prices - UKIP to win a Scottish MEP

    Yes 7/4 (BetVictor)
    No 1/2 (Ladbrokes)
    Farage thinks its 1/100!
    Yes, I noticed that. Not terribly convinced myself, but 7/4 might be worth 50 quid?
    I really wouldnt know. Wonder what makes him so certain?
    No idea. All the published polling points to UKIP narrowly missing a Scottish MEP. In some polls it ain't even narrowly.

    It all depends on the LAB and CON vote. If UKIP can squeeze SLAB below 20% or SCON below 12% then they just might be in with a shout. But both are very, very tall orders!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: Given Farage's "apology", could we perhaps now drop the argument challenging racism is ineffective and counter-productive.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Stone the crows, I go away for two days and polling becomes tres interesting.

    Obviously the most important polling of the weekend was the ICM Wisdom Index (which ICM said was the most accurate polling at the last GE) which put the Tories on 31.4 per cent, to Labour’s 30.7 per cent.

    Re which pollster is going to get the Euros right and which ones are going to get them wrong, there is a third possibility, they could all be wrong.

    Crikey, reading your post without my glasses on and I saw your opening as "Stone the corgis". Set my heart a little tremble, Mr Eagles coming out in the republican cause

    P.S. HMtQ was well set with her corgis long before she came to the throne. Too late for Charles but would it be worthwhile for the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge to get seriously into Spaniels? Or maybe cats - not pedigree beasts just some moggies that flop around and they are pleased to see and be photographed with etc. Osborne's turn around, such as it is, seems to date from the time that the press published details about his lady cat and her battles with Larry (who Cameron pretends is his cat but nobody believes him).
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Charles said:

    ComRes has UKIP at 61% in Eastern Region of England,

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/18/UKIP-61-percent-eastern-region

    In 2009, ComRes was the closest pollster to the actual election results.

    (as an aside, when I went to the Breibart website it had an advert for asian girls available for marriage. Is that Breitbart or just the SeanT effect?)
    I think that's probably your browsing history. We won't tell!

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    HYUFD said:

    Some hilarious abuse of Owen Jones on Twitter after he criticised Modi

    twitter.com/id2talk/status/468051174185132033

    Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2 ·6 mins
    @HYUFD1 @id2talk @OwenJones84 @gsurya Congress also had blood on hands in 1984 in wake of Mrs. Gandhi's murder by guards who were Sikh...
    The two are in no ways comparable. One was to free a temple occupied by armed men, the other , at best, looking the other way while over a thousand Muslims were slaughtered. I use "at best" advisedly. One could say conniving and organising.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    Stone the crows, I go away for two days and polling becomes tres interesting.

    Obviously the most important polling of the weekend was the ICM Wisdom Index (which ICM said was the most accurate polling at the last GE) which put the Tories on 31.4 per cent, to Labour’s 30.7 per cent.

    Re which pollster is going to get the Euros right and which ones are going to get them wrong, there is a third possibility, they could all be wrong.

    Crikey, reading your post without my glasses on and I saw your opening as "Stone the corgis". Set my heart a little tremble, Mr Eagles coming out in the republican cause

    P.S. HMtQ was well set with her corgis long before she came to the throne. Too late for Charles but would it be worthwhile for the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge to get seriously into Spaniels? Or maybe cats - not pedigree beasts just some moggies that flop around and they are pleased to see and be photographed with etc. Osborne's turn around, such as it is, seems to date from the time that the press published details about his lady cat and her battles with Larry (who Cameron pretends is his cat but nobody believes him).
    Pembrokeshire Corgis are the only dogs I really like.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2014
    Scott_P said:

    Apparently Nige has realised the interview last week was not entirely helpful

    @WikiGuido: Farage tells ITV he "regrets" his comments on Romanians on LBC, says he was "tired out" and "sometimes we get things wrong"

    Well there's a way of twisting what he said!

    http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-05-17/farage-defends-fair-minded-romania-comments/
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Anyone know anything about this story, which was published by the FT 2 hours ago but has since been pulled?
    A shoppers' boycott has led one of Britain's largest co-operatives to stop funding the Labour party. The Midcounties Co-operative's decision ...
    http://news168.co.uk/index/cooperative-pulls-funding-of-labour
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    "[Yesterday was] Norway Day, commemorating 200 years of the Norwegian Constitution.

    To celebrate, 16 tonnes of fish have been donated to fish & chip shops across the UK, and will be sold for just 99p."

    http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/2014-05-17/fish-chip-shops-in-wales-celebrate-norway-day-with-99p-portions/
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033

    "[Yesterday was] Norway Day, commemorating 200 years of the Norwegian Constitution.

    To celebrate, 16 tonnes of fish have been donated to fish & chip shops across the UK, and will be sold for just 99p."

    http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/2014-05-17/fish-chip-shops-in-wales-celebrate-norway-day-with-99p-portions/

    Mmm, I could really do with a fish and chips right about now!
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Scott_P said:

    Apparently Nige has realised the interview last week was not entirely helpful

    @WikiGuido: Farage tells ITV he "regrets" his comments on Romanians on LBC, says he was "tired out" and "sometimes we get things wrong"

    The most recent news story on UKIP.org is the reverse.

    "UKIP leader stands by his assertion that people have a right to be concerned if a group of Romanians move in next door"

    http://www.ukip.org/ukip_leader_stands_by_his_assertion_that_people_have_a_right_to_be_concerned_if_a_group_of_romanians_move_in_next_door
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312

    @JohnLilburne

    John

    Do you think the nation-building that took place in Germany and in Japan after WW2 was 'stupid'.

    Do you think the reluctance to nation-build in Iraq after the removal of Saddam was wise?

    We didn't go to war to nation-build, we did so to defeat an aggressive enemy that was an existential threat. Having defeated, invaded and occupied the belligerents, yes you make the best of it.

    Mistakes were made after the removal of Saddam (although maybe the biggest one was not to go after him after the Gulf War). From a couple of friends who work in UK defence, I believe our view was that the Americans shouldn't have disbanded Saddam's army, for starters.

    I also wonder why the Americans didn't at some point abandon the Shah and support Khomeini, might have made the middle east quite a different place.


  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    Some hilarious abuse of Owen Jones on Twitter after he criticised Modi

    twitter.com/id2talk/status/468051174185132033

    Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2 ·6 mins
    @HYUFD1 @id2talk @OwenJones84 @gsurya Congress also had blood on hands in 1984 in wake of Mrs. Gandhi's murder by guards who were Sikh...
    The two are in no ways comparable. One was to free a temple occupied by armed men, the other , at best, looking the other way while over a thousand Muslims were slaughtered. I use "at best" advisedly. One could say conniving and organising.
    The "blood on hand"s I referred to was AFTER Indira G's assassination. DO keep up!


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_anti-Sikh_riots


  • shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672

    HYUFD said:

    Shiney2 We will see on Thursday if Scots are beginning to ditch Salmond for Farage

    With Salmond emitting squeaky noises re UKIP over the last few days, I'd say they are already registering with the separatists. If the success is real I wonder if BetterTogether will maintain the (selfdefeating) position re UKIP of the YES to AV campaign.

  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Volcanopete,

    From your story,

    "A wannabe UK Independence Party (UKIP) councillor called for Russian militia to be shipped into Britain to “clean up our city centres”.

    As always the press never get things right. It seems he actually said "cossacks", who might be annoyed to be lumped together as Russian. Although they inhabited a variety of modern day regions, I believe they were predominantly based in Ukraine (principally) and some parts of Southern Russia. Did the Echo assume its readers wouldn't understand what cossacks were?

    I read the Echo occasionally and it's no worse than most of the press but being press, they'll always print a story first and the facts second. The best example of pure ignorance was in the sixties when the Sun ran an article about a squaddie who died when his blood boiled on a training run. His body temperature rose above 100 degrees and as all Sun reporters know - that's the boiling point of water.

    My rule of thumb is not to believe any story in a newspaper unless corroborated.

    Oh, and I'm sure you could trawl through many Ukip twitter accounts (or what have you) and discover idiotic statements. And the same goes for any party.

    No doubt it was a political activist who did the research - newspapers like being spoon-fed - but ask why they would spend all this time on such work. Labour in Merseyside have spent all their resources attacking Ukip this month - they must be worried.

    Yes Ukip have a good supply of crackpots but that's a given. However, some of their more odd statements still strike a chord, and that's what the mainstream parties can't understand.


  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @IanAustinMP: How would you feel if you'd spent two days defending Farage's Romanian outburst & attacking his critics, only for him to admit he was wrong?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    News from referendumland Switzerland:

    - £2 billion project to buy new fighter jets (from Sweden) rejected by 53-47%. Switzerland is traditionally pro-army, but voters felt unconvinced that there was an enemy to use them against.
    - Minimum wage rejected by 78-21%. The "free market" argument won easily.
    - A ban on paedophiles having jobs in education was approved, against the Government's argument that judges should decide from case to case.

    As usual, voters declined to vote precisely on party lines, so the fighter planes failed to get all the centre-right parties' voters and the minimum wage failed to get all the centre-left's. As an established system rather than the occasional sop, it's quite attractive.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Scott_P said:

    @IanAustinMP: How would you feel if you'd spent two days defending Farage's Romanian outburst & attacking his critics, only for him to admit he was wrong?


    Have you watched the video? He didn't admit he was wrong
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466

    @JohnLilburne

    John

    Do you think the nation-building that took place in Germany and in Japan after WW2 was 'stupid'.

    Do you think the reluctance to nation-build in Iraq after the removal of Saddam was wise?

    We didn't go to war to nation-build, we did so to defeat an aggressive enemy that was an existential threat. Having defeated, invaded and occupied the belligerents, yes you make the best of it.

    Mistakes were made after the removal of Saddam (although maybe the biggest one was not to go after him after the Gulf War). From a couple of friends who work in UK defence, I believe our view was that the Americans shouldn't have disbanded Saddam's army, for starters.

    I also wonder why the Americans didn't at some point abandon the Shah and support Khomeini, might have made the middle east quite a different place.


    But that wasn't the question I asked you, John.




  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ave you watched the video? He didn't admit he was wrong

    Farage does look like he needs a break. Perhaps the way he has run UKIP to date is counting against him?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    taffys said:

    ave you watched the video? He didn't admit he was wrong

    Farage does look like he needs a break. Perhaps the way he has run UKIP to date is counting against him?

    The fans of Doctor Who will understand this

    "Don't you think he looks tired?"
  • shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672
    taffys said:

    ave you watched the video? He didn't admit he was wrong

    Farage does look like he needs a break. Perhaps the way he has run UKIP to date is counting against him?


    They put up Suzanne Evans on Sun Politics instead of Nigel. She was very good!
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312

    @JohnLilburne

    John

    Do you think the nation-building that took place in Germany and in Japan after WW2 was 'stupid'.

    Do you think the reluctance to nation-build in Iraq after the removal of Saddam was wise?

    We didn't go to war to nation-build, we did so to defeat an aggressive enemy that was an existential threat. Having defeated, invaded and occupied the belligerents, yes you make the best of it.

    Mistakes were made after the removal of Saddam (although maybe the biggest one was not to go after him after the Gulf War). From a couple of friends who work in UK defence, I believe our view was that the Americans shouldn't have disbanded Saddam's army, for starters.

    I also wonder why the Americans didn't at some point abandon the Shah and support Khomeini, might have made the middle east quite a different place.


    But that wasn't the question I asked you, John.




    I think it's fairly clear my answer was "no".

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466

    @JohnLilburne

    John

    Do you think the nation-building that took place in Germany and in Japan after WW2 was 'stupid'.

    Do you think the reluctance to nation-build in Iraq after the removal of Saddam was wise?

    We didn't go to war to nation-build, we did so to defeat an aggressive enemy that was an existential threat. Having defeated, invaded and occupied the belligerents, yes you make the best of it.

    Mistakes were made after the removal of Saddam (although maybe the biggest one was not to go after him after the Gulf War). From a couple of friends who work in UK defence, I believe our view was that the Americans shouldn't have disbanded Saddam's army, for starters.

    I also wonder why the Americans didn't at some point abandon the Shah and support Khomeini, might have made the middle east quite a different place.


    But that wasn't the question I asked you, John.




    I think it's fairly clear my answer was "no".


    Hard to see how any sensible person could think otherwise, but then you did say you thought nation-building was 'stupid'.

    I guess you meant 'sometimes stupid.' ;-)
  • isam said:

    Given that Romanians make up 0.002% of the population, is it necessarily a positive that they make up 0.6% of the prison population?

    Facts? Let's see. 0.002% of 63,705,000 is 1274. Are there really only 1274 Romanians in the UK? What's all the fuss about then?

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Stuart Dickson UKIP would probably win the LDs seat, Sunil/Surbiton In neither case were Modi or Gandhi directly responsible. Anyway, off to see Yves St Lauren
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    taffys said:

    ave you watched the video? He didn't admit he was wrong

    Farage does look like he needs a break. Perhaps the way he has run UKIP to date is counting against him?

    The fans of Doctor Who will understand this

    "Don't you think he looks tired?"
    Haha. How went the speech?

  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312

    @JohnLilburne

    John

    Do you think the nation-building that took place in Germany and in Japan after WW2 was 'stupid'.

    Do you think the reluctance to nation-build in Iraq after the removal of Saddam was wise?

    We didn't go to war to nation-build, we did so to defeat an aggressive enemy that was an existential threat. Having defeated, invaded and occupied the belligerents, yes you make the best of it.

    Mistakes were made after the removal of Saddam (although maybe the biggest one was not to go after him after the Gulf War). From a couple of friends who work in UK defence, I believe our view was that the Americans shouldn't have disbanded Saddam's army, for starters.

    I also wonder why the Americans didn't at some point abandon the Shah and support Khomeini, might have made the middle east quite a different place.


    But that wasn't the question I asked you, John.




    I think it's fairly clear my answer was "no".


    Hard to see how any sensible person could think otherwise, but then you did say you thought nation-building was 'stupid'.

    I guess you meant 'sometimes stupid.' ;-)
    More "as a casus belli". Trying to make the distinction between neocon and small-c conservative reasons for going to war.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121

    News from referendumland Switzerland:

    - £2 billion project to buy new fighter jets (from Sweden) rejected by 53-47%. Switzerland is traditionally pro-army, but voters felt unconvinced that there was an enemy to use them against.
    - Minimum wage rejected by 78-21%. The "free market" argument won easily.
    - A ban on paedophiles having jobs in education was approved, against the Government's argument that judges should decide from case to case.

    As usual, voters declined to vote precisely on party lines, so the fighter planes failed to get all the centre-right parties' voters and the minimum wage failed to get all the centre-left's. As an established system rather than the occasional sop, it's quite attractive.

    Is that the non-EU member, Switzerland, Nick?

    :)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @politicshome: Nigel Farage has admitted his choice of language about Romanian immigrants was “wrong”. http://t.co/TXIT29x5IH
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Given that Romanians make up 0.002% of the population, is it necessarily a positive that they make up 0.6% of the prison population?

    Facts? Let's see. 0.002% of 63,705,000 is 1274. Are there really only 1274 Romanians in the UK? What's all the fuss about then?

    Maths?

    It's 87,000 ( I rounded it up to 0.002 from 0.0013)
  • shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672
    Scott_P said:

    @politicshome: This evening Mr Farage has acknowledged that he should have phrased his response better, but refused to row back on his claims about Romanian immigrants. http://t.co/TXIT29x5IH

    There fixed it for you.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Scott_P said:

    @politicshome: Nigel Farage has admitted his choice of language about Romanian immigrants was “wrong”. http://t.co/TXIT29x5IH

    What about the sentiment behind it?

  • shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672
    shiney2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @politicshome: This evening Mr Farage has acknowledged that he should have phrased his response better, but refused to row back on his claims about Romanian immigrants. http://t.co/TXIT29x5IH

    There fixed it for you.
    Beginning to see what young timmy saw. Never mind..
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @hugorifkind: Hey, Nige? If it's ok to say Romanians are "more likely" to be criminals, is it also okay to say Ukippers are "more likely" to be racist?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    ComRes has UKIP at 61% in Eastern Region of England,

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/18/UKIP-61-percent-eastern-region

    In 2009, ComRes was the closest pollster to the actual election results.

    (as an aside, when I went to the Breibart website it had an advert for asian girls available for marriage. Is that Breitbart or just the SeanT effect?)
    I think that's probably your browsing history. We won't tell!

    Nah... Couldn't be that... I have my computer set up to automatically clear my browsing history... ;)

    (It's only been pb, coffeehouse and guido today anyway...honest)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Scott_P said:

    @politicshome: Nigel Farage has admitted his choice of language about Romanian immigrants was “wrong”. http://t.co/TXIT29x5IH

    Do you actually watch anything that politicians say or just read other people's interpretations?

    He didnt admit he was wrong
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited May 2014
    ToryJim said:

    taffys said:

    ave you watched the video? He didn't admit he was wrong

    Farage does look like he needs a break. Perhaps the way he has run UKIP to date is counting against him?

    The fans of Doctor Who will understand this

    "Don't you think he looks tired?"
    Haha. How went the speech?

    Speech went down well, even the jokes about UKIP got loud cheers.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    ToryJim said:

    Scott_P said:

    @politicshome: Nigel Farage has admitted his choice of language about Romanian immigrants was “wrong”. http://t.co/TXIT29x5IH


    What about the sentiment behind it?

    That was right and he stood by it
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    isam said:

    ToryJim said:

    Scott_P said:

    @politicshome: Nigel Farage has admitted his choice of language about Romanian immigrants was “wrong”. http://t.co/TXIT29x5IH


    What about the sentiment behind it?

    That was right and he stood by it
    So it's ok to be racist just not to look racist. Christ almighty.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    ToryJim said:

    taffys said:

    ave you watched the video? He didn't admit he was wrong

    Farage does look like he needs a break. Perhaps the way he has run UKIP to date is counting against him?

    The fans of Doctor Who will understand this

    "Don't you think he looks tired?"
    Haha. How went the speech?

    Speech went down well, even the jokes about UKIP got loud cheers.
    Excellent.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466

    @JohnLilburne

    John

    Do you think the nation-building that took place in Germany and in Japan after WW2 was 'stupid'.

    Do you think the reluctance to nation-build in Iraq after the removal of Saddam was wise?

    We didn't go to war to nation-build, we did so to defeat an aggressive enemy that was an existential threat. Having defeated, invaded and occupied the belligerents, yes you make the best of it.

    Mistakes were made after the removal of Saddam (although maybe the biggest one was not to go after him after the Gulf War). From a couple of friends who work in UK defence, I believe our view was that the Americans shouldn't have disbanded Saddam's army, for starters.

    I also wonder why the Americans didn't at some point abandon the Shah and support Khomeini, might have made the middle east quite a different place.


    But that wasn't the question I asked you, John.




    I think it's fairly clear my answer was "no".


    Hard to see how any sensible person could think otherwise, but then you did say you thought nation-building was 'stupid'.

    I guess you meant 'sometimes stupid.' ;-)
    More "as a casus belli". Trying to make the distinction between neocon and small-c conservative reasons for going to war.

    Perhaps, but that wasn't how the proposition was originally framed.

    It was the 'nation-building is stupid' notion that jarred, on account of the major examples indicating that it can be anything but.

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    HYUFD said:

    Stuart Dickson UKIP would probably win the LDs seat, Sunil/Surbiton In neither case were Modi or Gandhi directly responsible. Anyway, off to see Yves St Lauren

    You're having a dress fitted, HYUFD?

    Say hello to him from me.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    ToryJim said:

    Scott_P said:

    @politicshome: Nigel Farage has admitted his choice of language about Romanian immigrants was “wrong”. http://t.co/TXIT29x5IH

    What about the sentiment behind it?

    That a house with 12+ young men are much less likely to be Germans?
  • LogicalSongLogicalSong Posts: 120
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Given that Romanians make up 0.002% of the population, is it necessarily a positive that they make up 0.6% of the prison population?

    Facts? Let's see. 0.002% of 63,705,000 is 1274. Are there really only 1274 Romanians in the UK? What's all the fuss about then?

    Maths?

    It's 87,000 ( I rounded it up to 0.002 from 0.0013)
    I make Woodpecker's maths correct 1 percent of 63 million would be 630,000 so .1% would be 63,000, .01% would be 6,300 and .002% percent would be 1260.
    ... also you don't round .0013 up to .002 you round it down to .001.

    Maths Indeed!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    CD13 said:

    Volcanopete,

    From your story,

    As always the press never get things right. It seems he actually said "cossacks", who might be annoyed to be lumped together as Russian. Although they inhabited a variety of modern day regions, I believe they were predominantly based in Ukraine (principally) and some parts of Southern Russia. Did the Echo assume its readers wouldn't understand what cossacks were?

    I suspect it was by accident, but the Echo was actually right!

    The Cossacks were Russian militia/mercenaries sent into the borderlands of Lithuania ("Ukraine") in order to harrass the Khanate of Crimea...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    ToryJim said:

    isam said:

    ToryJim said:

    Scott_P said:

    @politicshome: Nigel Farage has admitted his choice of language about Romanian immigrants was “wrong”. http://t.co/TXIT29x5IH


    What about the sentiment behind it?

    That was right and he stood by it
    So it's ok to be racist just not to look racist. Christ almighty.
    No it's not ok but he wasnt being racist.

    We have already seen on here today that Romaninans in the uk are over represented in prison by a factor of 460 and Farage was making that point. Also Ronanians are generally the same race as Farage
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    isam said:

    Scott_P said:

    @IanAustinMP: How would you feel if you'd spent two days defending Farage's Romanian outburst & attacking his critics, only for him to admit he was wrong?


    Have you watched the video? He didn't admit he was wrong
    "You know what? Sometimes, we get things wrong..." So what has UKIP got wrong, if not Nige's less than glorious day at the office?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    taffys said:

    ave you watched the video? He didn't admit he was wrong

    Farage does look like he needs a break. Perhaps the way he has run UKIP to date is counting against him?

    The fans of Doctor Who will understand this

    "Don't you think he looks tired?"
    Ugh, don't remind me. One of the more dickish, silly things the new Doctor did (in fairness I haven't seen the last few series), that particular moment.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Legal advice sought.

    Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat politicians have committed Britain to “slavery inside the EU dictatorship” and should be punished by death, Gordon Ferguson [UKIP candiate for the Cambridge ward of Southport, Lancashire] told prospective voters in a letter delivered ahead of Thursday's council elections.

    Anybody who votes for those parties is “guilty by association of treason against our nation”, he added.

    Mr Ferguson wrote: “The Lib-Lab-Cons have conspired with a foreign power, the EU, and are all thereby guilty of treason. They have sold Britain, which is the fifth largest economy, illegally into increasing slavery inside the EU dictatorship. Those responsible should be hung by the neck until dead.”

    He went on: “As likely as not, however, they will never be brought to account because our senior police, Crown Prosecution Service and judges are almost all exclusively freemasons, and Britain’s courts have been utterly corrupt for many years. They are almost all in the pocket of the EU.

    Mr Ferguson ... added: “If you vote for any of the three Lib- Lab- Con- parties you will be aiding and abetting them and you will also be guilty by association of treason against our nation. No-one should knowingly support a corrupt organisation.”


    Is M'Lud available? Is this your understanding of applicable law in the jurisdiction of England & Wales.

    I am worried that if I vote Conservative on Thursday I may be "hanged by the neck until dead".

    Source and full article: http://bit.ly/1geSMmZ

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