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SystemSystem Posts: 11,703
edited April 2014 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Betting on the May 22nd Euros continues to be miniscule compared with the IndyRef

There are all the other bookmakers but only the Betfair betting exchange provides the information so that you can get a picture of what is going on. I’ve little doubt that this represents the pattern elsewhere.

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    First!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    A question I'd like to put to Professors Rallings and Thrasher is to what extent the drop in the number of LD candidates will affect their national projected share. For example, if they don't stand in a ward where they've previously done relatively well over a number of years, is it assumed they would have polled as much as the lowest LD share in that particular council area when calculating the projection?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Salmond row over praise for Putin deepens
    Michael Settle
    UK Political Editor
    THE row over Alex Salmond's ­admiration for certain aspects of Vladimir Putin's leadership has intensified with senior politicians lining up to condemn the First Minister's "gross error of judgment".

    He was called on to apologise to the people of Ukraine.

    The condemnation, which ­overshadowed the SNP leader's keynote speech on Europe, coincided with ­publication by the UK Government of its latest referendum factsheet, showing how Scotland "can do more, reach further and aim higher on the international stage as part of the UK".
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Salmond under fire over ban threat to EU fleets
    Magnus Gardham
    Political Editor
    ALEX Salmond has sailed into a fresh storm after stepping up his threat to ban EU fishing fleets from Scottish waters if his proposals for an independent Scotland's membership of the bloc were not accepted swiftly.
    The First Minister said boats would not be allowed to fish in Scottish waters - or even pass through en route to Norwegian grounds - unless an independent Scotland joined the EU on favourable terms.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    The YouGov (Latest YouGov - Con 32%, Lab 37%, LD 10%, UKIP 15%) shows a jump in the internals on 'asylum and immigration' and 'Europe' for "other" - and given the way UKIP voters have voted, almost certainly UKIP:

    Which party handle problem best : "Other" (Con)
    Asylum & Immigration: 22 +4 (23, -1)
    Europe: 21 +3 (19, +1)

    Their disastrous "racist" poster campaign?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    For London PB-ers - live map of Tube trains:

    http://traintimes.org.uk/map/tube/
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    http://twitpic.com/e2drky

    Yougov Cons now lead on unemployment

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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    Good Morning Carlotta.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    The Sun..


    EXCL: Ukip MEP: Brits should be able to despise gays - just like they do tea: http://t.co/W5hFRWCvSd
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    Did Cameron vote on HS2?
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    TGOHF said:

    The Sun..


    EXCL: Ukip MEP: Brits should be able to despise gays - just like they do tea: http://t.co/W5hFRWCvSd

    And yet we keep being told that UKIP is unfairly being singled out by the media focussing on its fruitloops.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    TGOHF said:

    http://twitpic.com/e2drky

    Yougov Cons now lead on unemployment

    Without wishing to rain on Mr Montgomerie's parade, 29:28 is really a "tie", whereas 36:23 on "The economy in general" 30:25 on tax and 34:22 on Laura Norder, are clear Con leads as are 25:32 on Education and 24:36 on NHS for Lab.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TGOHF said:

    The Sun..


    EXCL: Ukip MEP: Brits should be able to despise gays - just like they do tea: http://t.co/W5hFRWCvSd

    Does Mr Helmer live in a different country from the rest of us? One where there is a law against despising gays? Brian Coleman must be one of the most despised politicians in the country and he's a gay.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    London tube strike live blog:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-27185939
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    CarlottaVance said:

    Salmond under fire over ban threat to EU fleets
    Magnus Gardham
    Political Editor
    ALEX Salmond has sailed into a fresh storm after stepping up his threat to ban EU fishing fleets from Scottish waters if his proposals for an independent Scotland's membership of the bloc were not accepted swiftly.
    The First Minister said boats would not be allowed to fish in Scottish waters - or even pass through en route to Norwegian grounds - unless an independent Scotland joined the EU on favourable terms.

    I wonder what he'll use for a navy ?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    antifrank said:

    TGOHF said:

    The Sun..


    EXCL: Ukip MEP: Brits should be able to despise gays - just like they do tea: http://t.co/W5hFRWCvSd

    And yet we keep being told that UKIP is unfairly being singled out by the media focussing on its fruitloops.
    Pity this fruit loop is a former Tory.....

    However the "Lenny Henry should live in a Black Country (sic)" candidate wasn't born in the UK.....instead comes from somewhere he might characterise as a "Black Country" himself:

    http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2014/04/28/ukip-s-lenny-henry-candidate-wasn-t-even-born-in-uk
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    antifrank said:

    TGOHF said:

    The Sun..


    EXCL: Ukip MEP: Brits should be able to despise gays - just like they do tea: http://t.co/W5hFRWCvSd

    And yet we keep being told that UKIP is unfairly being singled out by the media focussing on its fruitloops.
    Roger Helmer is favourite to come first in the East Midlands. It'll be interesting to see whether this has any effect on that.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    dr_spyn said:

    Did Cameron vote on HS2?

    No he didn't turn up.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    antifrank said:

    TGOHF said:

    The Sun..


    EXCL: Ukip MEP: Brits should be able to despise gays - just like they do tea: http://t.co/W5hFRWCvSd

    And yet we keep being told that UKIP is unfairly being singled out by the media focussing on its fruitloops.

    The Sun have a pretty strong condemnation in their Sun Says editorial.
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    rogerhrogerh Posts: 282
    Re Local elections.Will be fascinating to hear from Thresher et al their projections of UKIP council seat gains.I'd be in the 500+ bracket.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited April 2014
    rogerh said:

    Re Local elections.Will be fascinating to hear from Thresher et al their projections of UKIP council seat gains.I'd be in the 500+ bracket.

    Really? They gained far fewer last year on the back of an impressive national equivalent voteshare and with elections in far more favourable councils for them. It would also represent a remarkable proportion of their candidates getting elected.

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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    On Topic:

    Maybe people find the Referendum easier to read than the EU election which could have various outcomes - or are they just apathetic to the EU election as they cannot control its consequences, whilst the Referendum has much more potential relevance?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,970
    Alanbrooke said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Salmond under fire over ban threat to EU fleets
    Magnus Gardham
    Political Editor
    ALEX Salmond has sailed into a fresh storm after stepping up his threat to ban EU fishing fleets from Scottish waters if his proposals for an independent Scotland's membership of the bloc were not accepted swiftly.
    The First Minister said boats would not be allowed to fish in Scottish waters - or even pass through en route to Norwegian grounds - unless an independent Scotland joined the EU on favourable terms.

    I wonder what he'll use for a navy ?

    Presumably it's a given that the Royal Navy will be summoned and will be there as soon as it can be.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Things must have changed slightly: UKIP are contesting Bloomsbury.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    edited April 2014
    An important development on the subject of general election debates:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27197694

    Note Ed Miliband's and Nick Clegg's starting point.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    SouthamObserver said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Salmond under fire over ban threat to EU fleets
    Magnus Gardham
    Political Editor
    ALEX Salmond has sailed into a fresh storm after stepping up his threat to ban EU fishing fleets from Scottish waters if his proposals for an independent Scotland's membership of the bloc were not accepted swiftly.
    The First Minister said boats would not be allowed to fish in Scottish waters - or even pass through en route to Norwegian grounds - unless an independent Scotland joined the EU on favourable terms.

    I wonder what he'll use for a navy ?

    Presumably it's a given that the Royal Navy will be summoned and will be there as soon as it can be.

    Salmond's already going to tell them where to build their warships, so instructing their deployment seems a logical step.....

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Good morning, everyone.

    The above's due to a combination of proximity and interest. I'd be surprised if total referendum betting exceeded total General Election betting, in the end.

    FPT: Mr. kle4, I always knew you had fine taste. To be honest, I hardly ever read webcomics, but that one was great. I used to enjoy Final Fantasy quite a lot, so even though I'd only gotten a very short way into the first (which hasn't aged well) I got most of the in-jokes.

    Not sure Final Fantasy will last much longer. Apparently the next game's looking good, but up against The Witcher, The Elder Scrolls and Dragon Age it'd have to be a huge improvement from pretty linearity.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Camden MPs - Glenda Jackson is in favour of HS2, Frank Dobson against:

    http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/camden_s_mps_set_to_vote_on_hs2_bill_who_do_you_agree_with_1_3576307
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Really? I would expect about 50.

    Are there any markets for this or would you like an on site wager? If so, what odds?
    rogerh said:

    Re Local elections.Will be fascinating to hear from Thresher et al their projections of UKIP council seat gains.I'd be in the 500+ bracket.

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Rest assured that he will not be getting my vote.

    But it does show the calibre of UKIP MEPs.

    AndyJS said:

    antifrank said:

    TGOHF said:

    The Sun..


    EXCL: Ukip MEP: Brits should be able to despise gays - just like they do tea: http://t.co/W5hFRWCvSd

    And yet we keep being told that UKIP is unfairly being singled out by the media focussing on its fruitloops.
    Roger Helmer is favourite to come first in the East Midlands. It'll be interesting to see whether this has any effect on that.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,261
    SouthamObserver said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Salmond under fire over ban threat to EU fleets
    Magnus Gardham
    Political Editor
    ALEX Salmond has sailed into a fresh storm after stepping up his threat to ban EU fishing fleets from Scottish waters if his proposals for an independent Scotland's membership of the bloc were not accepted swiftly.
    The First Minister said boats would not be allowed to fish in Scottish waters - or even pass through en route to Norwegian grounds - unless an independent Scotland joined the EU on favourable terms.

    I wonder what he'll use for a navy ?

    Presumably it's a given that the Royal Navy will be summoned and will be there as soon as it can be.

    2 days 'rapid response' from Portsmouth to NE Scotland? Nah, I don't think we'll bother; the Navy's Ipods shall remain in their possession.

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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited April 2014
    Update On Meaningless Placard Count

    Labour 4 - 11 UKIP

    This is in a very strong Labour ward in Exeter. It will be interesting to see what happens to the Tory vote in the local elections here.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Neutral News ‏@neutralnews Mar 31

    Putin row grows ahead of EU debate: Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage are at odds over Russia's role in world affairs... http://j.mp/1kjmPHB


    Turned out well for Calamity Clegg and the shrieking imbeciles on here who thought it would be terrible for Farage, did it?

    ROFL

    Pilar Fernandez ‏@pilaraymara 11h

    Cameron's plea to Putin: help me stop Salmond | Herald Scotland http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/camerons-plea-to-putin-help-me-stop-salmond.23138182 … vía @hsnewsbreak


    Always remember the PB Golden Rule.

    The PB tories are always wrong. The PB tories never learn.

    :)
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Theuniondivvie said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Salmond under fire over ban threat to EU fleets
    Magnus Gardham
    Political Editor
    ALEX Salmond has sailed into a fresh storm after stepping up his threat to ban EU fishing fleets from Scottish waters if his proposals for an independent Scotland's membership of the bloc were not accepted swiftly.
    The First Minister said boats would not be allowed to fish in Scottish waters - or even pass through en route to Norwegian grounds - unless an independent Scotland joined the EU on favourable terms.

    I wonder what he'll use for a navy ?

    Presumably it's a given that the Royal Navy will be summoned and will be there as soon as it can be.

    2 days 'rapid response' from Portsmouth to NE Scotland? Nah, I don't think we'll bother; the Navy's Ipods shall remain in their possession.

    If a witless calamity Clegg clone like SouthamObserver isn't in touch with scottish public opinion then who is?

    *chortle*
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,618
    I would like there to be a public flogging of the RMT leadership and members who voted to strike.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB Apr 26

    By-election opportunity for UKIP. S Times reporting that Newark MP Patrick Mercer is set to quit cash for questions scandal

    Tick, tock. :)
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,061
    MaxPB said:

    I would like there to be a public flogging of the RMT leadership and members who voted to strike.

    They'd hole up in Central London so you couldn't reach them. ;-)
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    BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Max
    Tube strike day is time for quiet reflection, from the comfort of another commuter's armpit.

    Buses not too bad so far for me though.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Mick_Pork said:

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB Apr 26

    By-election opportunity for UKIP. S Times reporting that Newark MP Patrick Mercer is set to quit cash for questions scandal

    Tick, tock. :)

    Your retweets aint too fresh.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Mick_Pork said:


    Always remember the PB Golden Rule.

    "When Pork is floundering he posts stories which are weeks, if not months, old."

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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    dr_spyn said:

    Did Cameron vote on HS2?

    Dig With It ‏@willsheaney 27m

    Cameron not turning up for #HS2 vote is so cowardly. Presumably just to hide from personal criticism from unhappy, affected Tory heartland.

    Fop Chicken. ;-)
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    A tweet by Helmer:

    Roger Helmer
    ‏@RogerHelmerMEP
    The Sun's coverage today is false and defamatory: What I said was that people are entitled to their personal preferences. Anyone disagree?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Theuniondivvie said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Salmond under fire over ban threat to EU fleets
    Magnus Gardham
    Political Editor
    ALEX Salmond has sailed into a fresh storm after stepping up his threat to ban EU fishing fleets from Scottish waters if his proposals for an independent Scotland's membership of the bloc were not accepted swiftly.
    The First Minister said boats would not be allowed to fish in Scottish waters - or even pass through en route to Norwegian grounds - unless an independent Scotland joined the EU on favourable terms.

    I wonder what he'll use for a navy ?

    Presumably it's a given that the Royal Navy will be summoned and will be there as soon as it can be.

    2 days 'rapid response' from Portsmouth to NE Scotland?
    How long is it going to take to get to NE Scotland from the Clyde? At 14 knots?

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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    Anushka Asthana ‏@SkyAnushka 1h

    It is threaten to resign day. The PM if he fails to get EU referendum. & Europe minister, David Lidington, over HS2 pic.twitter.com/pw3nFNx5eZ

    Business for Britain ‏@forbritain 4m

    .@David_Cameron: 'I would not be prime minister of a government unless we could carry out our pledge of an in-out referendum"

    Another Cast Iron Pledge from the fop. What could possibly go wrong?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* ....... *shriek*

    I thought we'd discussed your gay bondage fantasies being inappropriate for this board?
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    BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    There seems to be a bizarre orthodoxy herein where reminding our Tory friends of their mistakes (poll shrieking, crossover ramping, getting political calls badly wrong) is frowned upon. They don't like to take their medicine.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:


    Always remember the PB Golden Rule.

    "When Pork is floundering he posts stories which are weeks, if not months, old."

    A legend in his mum's spare room.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    There seems to be a bizarre orthodoxy herein where reminding our Tory friends of their mistakes (poll shrieking, crossover ramping, getting political calls badly wrong) is frowned upon. They don't like to take their medicine.
    Harold and Lotty do seem to be getting rather hysterical again. Not that it isn't always vastly amusing to watch them splutter and shriek.

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Mick_Pork said:

    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    There seems to be a bizarre orthodoxy herein where reminding our Tory friends of their mistakes (poll shrieking, crossover ramping, getting political calls badly wrong) is frowned upon. They don't like to take their medicine.
    hysterical.....splutter......shriek.
    This gay bondage thing.......

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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Bill Etheridge ‏@milroy666 23h
    Ex nazi in the Labour Party ? http://m.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/local/former-nazi-wins-a-labour-council-seat-1-3826439 …

    Now if this had been a UKIP councillor, the shrieks from the Labour party would have waken the dead. Who are the hypocrites now?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    They don't like to take their medicine.
    Writes someone who only ever comments on other people's posts......

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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Mick_Pork said:

    .@David_Cameron: 'I would not be prime minister of a government unless we could carry out our pledge of an in-out referendum"

    Another Cast Iron Pledge from the fop. What could possibly go wrong?

    He could unexpectedly win a majority at the election, have to hold such a referendum, and campaign on a platform of remaining in the EU while most of his party and MPs campaign to leave.

    It's probably preferable to watching from the backbenches as Ed Miliband towers over the Commons as PM. So file it under "nice problems to have".
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited April 2014
    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    There seems to be a bizarre orthodoxy herein where reminding our Tory friends of their mistakes (poll shrieking, crossover ramping, getting political calls badly wrong) is frowned upon. They don't like to take their medicine.
    Well remember some of the bizarre lefty orthodox ies are dull. Gove next out, Plebgate was real, GO next out, coalition break up in 2012, no recovery from cuts, 5m unemployed.

    Weve taken pity on you.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    On topic, the EU elections are frivolous (so frivolous that Betfair can't spell "elections" properly). The others are not. Would you rather bet on the Emirates Cup or the Champions League?

    Pedant's PS: "minuscule" is spelt thus.
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    CarlottaVance said:

    Salmond under fire over ban threat to EU fleets
    Magnus Gardham
    Political Editor
    ALEX Salmond has sailed into a fresh storm after stepping up his threat to ban EU fishing fleets from Scottish waters if his proposals for an independent Scotland's membership of the bloc were not accepted swiftly.
    The First Minister said boats would not be allowed to fish in Scottish waters - or even pass through en route to Norwegian grounds - unless an independent Scotland joined the EU on favourable terms.

    More bluff and bluster from The Big Fib.

    The EU fishing fleets could clean out Scottish fish stocks, before Eck could get his rubber dinghy inflated.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    There seems to be a bizarre orthodoxy herein where reminding our Tory friends of their mistakes (poll shrieking, crossover ramping, getting political calls badly wrong) is frowned upon. They don't like to take their medicine.
    hysterical.....splutter......shriek.
    This gay bondage thing.......

    Was between your chums AlanBrooke and AveryLP. You and Harold certainly don't sound like hysterical and deranged loons spitting in impotent fury because you self-evidently don't have a clue about politics or public opinion. So by all means continue with your 'incisive' deranged babbling.

    :)
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Mr. Antifrank, my understanding was it could be written as either miniscule or minuscule, despite what a spell checker says (it also disliked torturess).
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,970
    MikeK said:

    Bill Etheridge ‏@milroy666 23h
    Ex nazi in the Labour Party ? http://m.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/local/former-nazi-wins-a-labour-council-seat-1-3826439 …

    Now if this had been a UKIP councillor, the shrieks from the Labour party would have waken the dead. Who are the hypocrites now?

    This post is nonsensical.

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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    MikeK said:

    Bill Etheridge ‏@milroy666 23h
    Ex nazi in the Labour Party ? http://m.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/local/former-nazi-wins-a-labour-council-seat-1-3826439 …

    Now if this had been a UKIP councillor, the shrieks from the Labour party would have waken the dead. Who are the hypocrites now?

    Aalok K Biswas ‏@aalokbiswas 13h

    Tory councillor calls disabled children a 'burden' on society & council funds http://fb.me/3w3Y0VF7Y

    The usual ones on PB.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Mick_Pork said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    There seems to be a bizarre orthodoxy herein where reminding our Tory friends of their mistakes (poll shrieking, crossover ramping, getting political calls badly wrong) is frowned upon. They don't like to take their medicine.
    hysterical.....splutter......shriek.
    This gay bondage thing.......

    chums.... hysterical.....deranged..... loons .....spitting....impotent..... fury .....babbling.
    I say, your gay bondage fantasies are getting fruitier by the minute!
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    There seems to be a bizarre orthodoxy herein where reminding our Tory friends of their mistakes (poll shrieking, crossover ramping, getting political calls badly wrong) is frowned upon. They don't like to take their medicine.
    hysterical.....splutter......shriek.
    This gay bondage thing.......

    chums.... hysterical.....deranged..... loons .....spitting....impotent..... fury .....babbling.
    I.....say... gay....bondage....fantasies....getting...fruitier....minute...!...
    *tears of laughter etc.*
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,061
    MikeK said:

    Bill Etheridge ‏@milroy666 23h
    Ex nazi in the Labour Party ? http://m.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/local/former-nazi-wins-a-labour-council-seat-1-3826439 …

    Now if this had been a UKIP councillor, the shrieks from the Labour party would have waken the dead. Who are the hypocrites now?

    I'm not a Labourite (although I daresay someone'll chuck me in that category - I've been placed everywhere else), but I think that's unfair.

    1) She has been open about her past - she hasn't hidden it.
    2) She openly regrets it and has moved on.
    3) It was over thirty years ago.
    4) There are apparently no legal proceedings outstanding for either her political activity or her animal rights stupidity.

    I've told a story in the past about an acquaintance who'd been a neo-Nazi in the 1980s. I became friends with him before I discovered, but I decided to treat him like anyone else. I never heard or saw anything remotely off with him, and he behaved politely and friendly towards my gfs, including foreign ones. To be frank he was a bit slow, and definitely seemed to fit into the 'brainwashed' category.

    He just wanted somewhere he'd fit in and be accepted, so he went from a neo-Nazi group to railway preservation. I suppose that's an improvement ... ;-)
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    There seems to be a bizarre orthodoxy herein where reminding our Tory friends of their mistakes (poll shrieking, crossover ramping, getting political calls badly wrong) is frowned upon. They don't like to take their medicine.
    hysterical.....splutter......shriek.
    This gay bondage thing.......

    chums.... hysterical.....deranged..... loons .....spitting....impotent..... fury .....babbling.
    I say, your gay bondage fantasies are getting fruitier by the minute!
    If Mick screams out 'Culloden', you must release him from the handcuffs.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    An unusual resignation .
    Terry Wilkins , Conservative councillor for Illogan on Cornwall UA has resigned following a local scandal after the revelation that he has been falsely claiming an MBE and other honours for a number of years .
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Mick_Pork said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    There seems to be a bizarre orthodoxy herein where reminding our Tory friends of their mistakes (poll shrieking, crossover ramping, getting political calls badly wrong) is frowned upon. They don't like to take their medicine.
    hysterical.....splutter......shriek.
    This gay bondage thing.......

    chums.... hysterical.....deranged..... loons .....spitting....impotent..... fury .....babbling.
    I.....say... gay....bondage....fantasies....getting...fruitier....minute...!...
    ......tears......
    Yes, well, I suppose that was next - perhaps I'll do a compilation of 'Pork's Gay Bondage Fantasies'......
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    MarkSenior said:

    An unusual resignation .
    Terry Wilkins , Conservative councillor for Illogan on Cornwall UA has resigned following a local scandal after the revelation that he has been falsely claiming an MBE and other honours for a number of years .

    As usual with politicians, it's the poverty of ambition that's so depressing. If you were going to falsely claim an honour, wouldn't you make sure that it was at least a CBE?

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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    OblitusSumMe said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    .@David_Cameron: 'I would not be prime minister of a government unless we could carry out our pledge of an in-out referendum"

    Another Cast Iron Pledge from the fop. What could possibly go wrong?

    So file it under "nice problems to have".
    You think that's what John Major thought when he was also confronted with a hopelessly divided party intent on self-destruction over Europe? Sounds more like a recipe for chaos from the start if Cammie did manage to win.

    I also admire your seeming optimism in thinking that the tory Eurosceptics and BOOers will keep quiet after May considering that will almost certainly be their last chance to make trouble before the GE drowns out all talk of Europe and Farage. After last May's kipper surge I seem to recall a great deal of them running around like headless chickens while Cammie was compared to John Major for his incompetence. So I would not rate Cammie's chances of keeping a lid on things particularly highly after this May. Cast Iron Pledge or not.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,913
    TheWatcher said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Salmond under fire over ban threat to EU fleets
    Magnus Gardham
    Political Editor
    ALEX Salmond has sailed into a fresh storm after stepping up his threat to ban EU fishing fleets from Scottish waters if his proposals for an independent Scotland's membership of the bloc were not accepted swiftly.
    The First Minister said boats would not be allowed to fish in Scottish waters - or even pass through en route to Norwegian grounds - unless an independent Scotland joined the EU on favourable terms.

    More bluff and bluster from The Big Fib.

    The EU fishing fleets could clean out Scottish fish stocks, before Eck could get his rubber dinghy inflated.
    I think you and your colleagues are forgetting that the Scots will be due a share of the Royal Navy fleet. Which is not in evidence up north anyway, so anything is an improvement. And you are forgetting the Scottish fisheries patrol ships already exist.

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Salmond and the EU: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27186622

    The line that caught my eye, however, was this:
    "Sweden, despite voting against joining the euro, still has an obligation to do so."

    Democracy setting = minimal.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    RT @Sun_Politics: today's Sun Says ... On Ukip MEP Roger Helmer comparing detesting gay people to tea http://t.co/tVrDufOQcY
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    edited April 2014
    The Daily Mail having fun:

    'I hope Salmond never has death squadrons walking on his land': First Minister faces global backlash over praise for Putin

    Furious reaction from politicians in the UK and in Ukraine

    Pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine have gleefully seized on his comments


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2615658/Alex-almond-faces-global-backlash-praise-Putin.html#ixzz30GFTZxzR
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    BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    JosiasJessop said:

    MikeK said:

    Bill Etheridge ‏@milroy666 23h
    Ex nazi in the Labour Party ? http://m.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/local/former-nazi-wins-a-labour-council-seat-1-3826439 …

    Now if this had been a UKIP councillor, the shrieks from the Labour party would have waken the dead. Who are the hypocrites now?

    I'm not a Labourite (although I daresay someone'll chuck me in that category - I've been placed everywhere else), but I think that's unfair.

    1) She has been open about her past - she hasn't hidden it.
    2) She openly regrets it and has moved on.
    3) It was over thirty years ago.
    4) There are apparently no legal proceedings outstanding for either her political activity or her animal rights stupidity.

    I've told a story in the past about an acquaintance who'd been a neo-Nazi in the 1980s. I became friends with him before I discovered, but I decided to treat him like anyone else. I never heard or saw anything remotely off with him, and he behaved politely and friendly towards my gfs, including foreign ones. To be frank he was a bit slow, and definitely seemed to fit into the 'brainwashed' category.

    He just wanted somewhere he'd fit in and be accepted, so he went from a neo-Nazi group to railway preservation. I suppose that's an improvement ... ;-)
    Bloody Labourite.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,970
    Carnyx said:

    TheWatcher said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Salmond under fire over ban threat to EU fleets
    Magnus Gardham
    Political Editor
    ALEX Salmond has sailed into a fresh storm after stepping up his threat to ban EU fishing fleets from Scottish waters if his proposals for an independent Scotland's membership of the bloc were not accepted swiftly.
    The First Minister said boats would not be allowed to fish in Scottish waters - or even pass through en route to Norwegian grounds - unless an independent Scotland joined the EU on favourable terms.

    More bluff and bluster from The Big Fib.

    The EU fishing fleets could clean out Scottish fish stocks, before Eck could get his rubber dinghy inflated.
    I think you and your colleagues are forgetting that the Scots will be due a share of the Royal Navy fleet. Which is not in evidence up north anyway, so anything is an improvement. And you are forgetting the Scottish fisheries patrol ships already exist.

    How the Scottish fisheries vessels are going to prevent anyone sailing through Scottish waters to get to Norwegian waters is an interesting one. More to the point, threatening to block access to Scottish waters is not exactly going to inspire EU member states to extend the hand of friendship to Scotland, is it? And that's before you factor in the possibility that other countries might retaliate, so blocking Scottish ships from their waters. Not Salmond's finest hour.

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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,261
    CarlottaVance said:

    How long is it going to take to get to NE Scotland from the Clyde? At 14 knots?

    I dare say having been let off punching above our weight, a Scottish Naval Service could afford to have ships on patrol and in more than one Scottish port. In any case (unless you know otherwise), Faslane couldn't become the primary Scottish naval base for 5-10 years due to the current tenants.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    SouthamObserver said:

    Carnyx said:

    TheWatcher said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Salmond under fire over ban threat to EU fleets
    Magnus Gardham
    Political Editor
    ALEX Salmond has sailed into a fresh storm after stepping up his threat to ban EU fishing fleets from Scottish waters if his proposals for an independent Scotland's membership of the bloc were not accepted swiftly.
    The First Minister said boats would not be allowed to fish in Scottish waters - or even pass through en route to Norwegian grounds - unless an independent Scotland joined the EU on favourable terms.

    More bluff and bluster from The Big Fib.

    The EU fishing fleets could clean out Scottish fish stocks, before Eck could get his rubber dinghy inflated.
    I think you and your colleagues are forgetting that the Scots will be due a share of the Royal Navy fleet. Which is not in evidence up north anyway, so anything is an improvement. And you are forgetting the Scottish fisheries patrol ships already exist.

    How the Scottish fisheries vessels are going to prevent anyone sailing through Scottish waters to get to Norwegian waters is an interesting one.
    It would also be illegal......

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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    There seems to be a bizarre orthodoxy herein where reminding our Tory friends of their mistakes (poll shrieking, crossover ramping, getting political calls badly wrong) is frowned upon. They don't like to take their medicine.
    hysterical.....splutter......shriek.
    This gay bondage thing.......

    chums.... hysterical.....deranged..... loons .....spitting....impotent..... fury .....babbling.
    I.....say... gay....bondage....fantasies....getting...fruitier....minute...!...
    ......tears......
    Yes... well.... I.... suppose... next... perhaps.... I'll do.... compilation.... Gay Bondage..... Fantasies.....
    [Insert Random PB Tory imbecile joining in with the babbling]

    Try harder. This is embarrassing stuff even from the stupendously out of touch PB Tories.

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    BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    CarlottaVance said:

    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    They don't like to take their medicine.
    Writes someone who only ever comments on other people's posts......

    An entirely untrue, utterly delusional, post.

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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Mick_Pork said:

    You think that's what John Major thought when he was also confronted with a hopelessly divided party intent on self-destruction over Europe? Sounds more like a recipe for chaos from the start if Cammie did manage to win.

    Er, no, I think it's what Neil Kinnock would have thought.
    Mick_Pork said:

    I also admire your seeming optimism in thinking that the tory Eurosceptics and BOOers will keep quiet after May...

    I did not mean to imply that my scenario was the only possible problem that Cameron might face with this pledge.

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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited April 2014
    MarkSenior said:

    An unusual resignation .
    Terry Wilkins , Conservative councillor for Illogan on Cornwall UA has resigned following a local scandal after the revelation that he has been falsely claiming an MBE and other honours for a number of years .

    Good - When the story broke, he claimed he was the victim of a 'practical joke' claiming an official letter announcing his elevation had arrived in the post. I'd have thought he would have twigged when there was no Buck house visit and no gong.

    I think the term is 'busted'.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    CarlottaVance said:

    The Daily Mail having fun:

    'I hope Salmond never has death squadrons walking on his land': First Minister faces global backlash over praise for Putin

    Furious reaction from politicians in the UK and in Ukraine

    Pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine have gleefully seized on his comments


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2615658/Alex-almond-faces-global-backlash-praise-Putin.html#ixzz30GFTZxzR

    Nice typo in that url, implying that he's not so much fishy as nutty.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Mick_Pork said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    There seems to be a bizarre orthodoxy herein where reminding our Tory friends of their mistakes (poll shrieking, crossover ramping, getting political calls badly wrong) is frowned upon. They don't like to take their medicine.
    hysterical.....splutter......shriek.
    This gay bondage thing.......

    chums.... hysterical.....deranged..... loons .....spitting....impotent..... fury .....babbling.
    I.....say... gay....bondage....fantasies....getting...fruitier....minute...!...
    ......tears......
    Yes... well.... I.... suppose... next... perhaps.... I'll do.... compilation.... Gay Bondage..... Fantasies.....
    harder......stuff......touch.......
    Sure you don't want to tell me the safe word?

    Braveheart?

    Flodden?

    Bannockburn?

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    BobaFett said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    They don't like to take their medicine.
    Writes someone who only ever comments on other people's posts......

    An entirely untrue, utterly delusional, post.

    QED

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    BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    For crying out loud, enough already of the bondage stuff.

    I am already in a tight spot on the Overground.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    There seems to be a bizarre orthodoxy herein where reminding our Tory friends of their mistakes (poll shrieking, crossover ramping, getting political calls badly wrong) is frowned upon. They don't like to take their medicine.
    hysterical.....splutter......shriek.
    This gay bondage thing.......

    chums.... hysterical.....deranged..... loons .....spitting....impotent..... fury .....babbling.
    I.....say... gay....bondage....fantasies....getting...fruitier....minute...!...
    ......tears......
    Yes... well.... I.... suppose... next... perhaps.... I'll do.... compilation.... Gay Bondage..... Fantasies.....
    harder......stuff......touch.......
    Sure... want... to... safe.... word?
    Out?

    Of?

    Touch?

    Tw*ts?
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    BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    antifrank said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    The Daily Mail having fun:

    'I hope Salmond never has death squadrons walking on his land': First Minister faces global backlash over praise for Putin

    Furious reaction from politicians in the UK and in Ukraine

    Pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine have gleefully seized on his comments


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2615658/Alex-almond-faces-global-backlash-praise-Putin.html#ixzz30GFTZxzR

    Nice typo in that url, implying that he's not so much fishy as nutty.
    President Pecan is no doubt enjoying the praise.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    edited April 2014
    hoorar for me.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,368
    edited April 2014
    TGOHF said:

    http://twitpic.com/e2drky

    Yougov Cons now lead on unemployment

    CarlottaVance said:

    The YouGov (Latest YouGov - Con 32%, Lab 37%, LD 10%, UKIP 15%) shows a jump in the internals on 'asylum and immigration' and 'Europe' for "other" - and given the way UKIP voters have voted, almost certainly UKIP:

    Which party handle problem best : "Other" (Con)
    Asylum & Immigration: 22 +4 (23, -1)
    Europe: 21 +3 (19, +1)

    Their disastrous "racist" poster campaign?

    The secondaries are interesting as a possible guide to the reasons why people intend to vote for parties in the voting intention question. But parties that lead on several issues and trail on VI should ask themselves why. Clearly those questions aren't driving it.

    I don't think *most* people are voting Labour over the NHS or schools, or Tory over the economy, or UKIP over Europe (immigration might be the exception which really is pulling votes). Most people think we're all a bit useless and they're voting mostly on whom they like or dislike. The main Tory problem is simply their "disliked" status - 35%+ want to get them out, full stop. Labour and the LibDems attract some dislike too, but less.

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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    BobaFett said:

    For crying out loud, enough already of the bondage stuff.

    I am already in a tight spot on the Overground.

    BobaFett said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    They don't like to take their medicine.
    Writes someone who only ever comments on other people's posts......

    An entirely untrue, utterly delusional, post.

    They certainly don't sound like a bunch of out of touch twerps witlessly babbling in a feeble attempt to distract away from their own ineptitude and stupidity, do they?

    :)

    Michael Woods ‏@mikewcdx 21h

    .@Number10gov David Cameron: Stop MPs policing their own expenses http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/number10gov-david-cameron-stop-mps-policing-their-own-expenses via @UKChange

    99,571 signatures.

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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    0.8% growth.

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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,618
    edited April 2014
    0.8% QoQ, 3.1% YoY.

    Good figures, slight miss on market expectations.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Big Yin says stay in

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/10793473/Billy-Connolly-the-day-I-learnt-I-had-cancer-and-Parkinsons-disease.html

    "In the interview, Connolly also addressed the subject of Scottish independence, saying: “You must remember that the Union saved Scotland. Scotland was bankrupt and the English opened us up to their American and Canadian markets, from which we just flowered.

    “And I dislike patriots. I’m deeply suspicious of patriotism. It’s paved with fools.”"
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    VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,438
    Did anyone watch the EU presidential debate last night? The following site follows the wider EU elections across the continent.

    http://europedecides.eu/eudebate2014/

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    NickPalmer said:

    TGOHF said:

    http://twitpic.com/e2drky

    Yougov Cons now lead on unemployment

    CarlottaVance said:

    The YouGov (Latest YouGov - Con 32%, Lab 37%, LD 10%, UKIP 15%) shows a jump in the internals on 'asylum and immigration' and 'Europe' for "other" - and given the way UKIP voters have voted, almost certainly UKIP:

    Which party handle problem best : "Other" (Con)
    Asylum & Immigration: 22 +4 (23, -1)
    Europe: 21 +3 (19, +1)

    Their disastrous "racist" poster campaign?

    The main Tory problem is simply their "disliked" status - 35%+ want to get them out, full stop. Labour and the LibDems attract some dislike too, but less.
    Didn't the recent polling show Lab least (net) disliked, followed by Con, with Lib D then UKIP behind?
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    BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    CarlottaVance said:

    BobaFett said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    They don't like to take their medicine.
    Writes someone who only ever comments on other people's posts......

    An entirely untrue, utterly delusional, post.

    QED

    If ever any post demonstrated the PB Tory tendency to conflate anecdote with empirical evidence, that is it, right there.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    MaxPB said:

    0.8% QoQ, 3.1% YoY.

    Good figures, slight miss on market expectations.

    Hugh Pym: Services 0.9% up, manufacturing up 1,3%, construction up 0.3% in Q1 2014
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    BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Growth a notch lower than expected but these numbers are very often revised upwards.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    BobaFett said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BobaFett said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    They don't like to take their medicine.
    Writes someone who only ever comments on other people's posts......

    An entirely untrue, utterly delusional, post.

    QED

    If ever any post demonstrated the PB Tory tendency to conflate anecdote with empirical evidence, that is it, right there.
    And again!

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    BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    CarlottaVance said:

    BobaFett said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BobaFett said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BobaFett said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    *shriek* You can't highlight PB Tory stupidity on PB from more than a day ago. *shriek*

    ROFL

    They don't like to take their medicine.
    Writes someone who only ever comments on other people's posts......

    An entirely untrue, utterly delusional, post.

    QED

    If ever any post demonstrated the PB Tory tendency to conflate anecdote with empirical evidence, that is it, right there.
    And again!

    And again...
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    FPT :

    "When I was back in England, I used to love either Harry Ramsden in Guiseley, where I used to go regularly as a kid, and the Wetherby Whaler was fantastic too."

    Harry Ramsden's in Guiseley sadly closed in late 2011, but re-opened six months later as a branch of ........ The Wetherby Whaler!
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