It appears from the Mail article that Mr Weston was arrested on suspicion of having committed two offences: (1) Failure to comply with a direction to disperse, contrary to section 27(6) of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006. (2) Racially or religiously aggravated harassment, contrary to section 32(1) of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 and section 2(1) of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997.
A direction to disperse under section 27 of the 2006 Act may only be given where 'the presence of the individual in that locality is likely, in all the circumstances, to cause or to contribute to the occurrence of alcohol-related crime or disorder in that locality, or to cause or to contribute to a repetition or continuance there of such crime or disorder' and the direction would contribute to the reduction or prevention of such crime and disorder.
The offence of harassment is committed when someone embarks on a course on conduct, which involves the harassment of any other person or persons. Harassment includes speech, and includes alarming the person or causing the person distress. Course of conduct means, in relation to one person, that the conduct must take place on at least two occasions. Where the conduct is in relation to more than one person, it must take place on one occasion in relation to each of those persons.
Racially or religiously aggravated means that
'at the time of committing the offence, or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates towards the victim of the offence hostility based on the victim's membership (or presumed membership) of a racial or religious group; or (b) the offence is motivated (wholly or partly) by hostility towards members of a racial or religious group based on their membership of that group.'
The CPS will be pleased to have seen Max Clifford convicted alongside Stuart Hall, even though neither are in Jimmy Saville's league or even Cyril Smith. I would imagine the Hamiltons will be opening a few vintages tonight too
This is a classic. A developer wanted to build houses, but locals objected. He then applied for planning permission to knock down two of the objectors' houses, despite not owning them.
I know of a case where the developer's published plans involved their own land, but also demolition of a friend's garage and building a widened access road over his land - and without any discussion with him. (They didn't even send him a neighbour notification). And the developers got planning permission! However, I suppose it means that he can now hold out for a lot more money should he ever wish to move ...
Yes Scotland are now attacking the Coalition's plans to make jobseekers sign on daily. Not sure this exactly helps their cause, considering those who go to work daily pay taxes to subsidise welfare it seems fair enough to me? https://twitter.com/YesScotland
There are dozens of manufacturers already, (Kitchen knives from Aldi among other sources).
As for people taking them? There seems to be a consensus amongst the public that knives are an arms race in school. The investment advice was slightly tongue in cheek, no one would think of profiting from violence...........^^
Yes Scotland are now attacking the Coalition's plans to make jobseekers sign on daily. Not sure this exactly helps their cause, considering those who go to work daily pay taxes to subsidise welfare it seems fair enough to me? https://twitter.com/YesScotland
No matter how you look at it , the policy is not to help anyone back into work , it is purely to stigmatise them and single them out as feckless. Will be the same as their ATOS policy , innocent people will be caught up in it and starve or commit suicide as we see today. Despicable policy by despicable millionaires. Tories and Labour should be publicly shamed for their nastiness.
Yes Scotland are now attacking the Coalition's plans to make jobseekers sign on daily. Not sure this exactly helps their cause, considering those who go to work daily pay taxes to subsidise welfare it seems fair enough to me? https://twitter.com/YesScotland
Scotland is to the left of England, Salmond knows what he's doing with this one.
Yes Scotland are now attacking the Coalition's plans to make jobseekers sign on daily. Not sure this exactly helps their cause, considering those who go to work daily pay taxes to subsidise welfare it seems fair enough to me? https://twitter.com/YesScotland
Perhaps because it will end up costing a lot more in staff and bus/train costs and not produce proportionately more results than a weekly meeting? Twice a week perhaps, but five times a week?? And making them waste time hanging around is an odd way of encouraging them to be applying for jobs. Could be Willetts and tuition fees all over again.
There are dozens of manufacturers already, (Kitchen knives from Aldi among other sources).
As for people taking them? There seems to be a consensus amongst the public that knives are an arms race in school. The investment advice was slightly tongue in cheek, no one would think of profiting from violence...........^^
I own two ceramic knives myself actually, gifts from a few years ago. They've never blunted one bit and remain astonishingly effective for chopping de-boned meat and vegetables (the latter tends not to need much filleting). Designed with rounded ends though, so you can't stab with them. Also small metal cores purely so they set off metal detectors, interestingly enough.
Yes Scotland are now attacking the Coalition's plans to make jobseekers sign on daily. Not sure this exactly helps their cause, considering those who go to work daily pay taxes to subsidise welfare it seems fair enough to me? https://twitter.com/YesScotland
No matter how you look at it , the policy is not to help anyone back into work , it is purely to stigmatise them and single them out as feckless. Will be the same as their ATOS policy , innocent people will be caught up in it and starve or commit suicide as we see today. Despicable policy by despicable millionaires. Tories and Labour should be publicly shamed for their nastiness.
But only if a person has been unemployed for 2 yrs and refuses to take up an offer of training.
19 years ago a HM was stabbed, today a class teacher. It is a sad day for her family, colleagues and pupils, but an OTT response with metal detectors isn't necessary. There are some rough schools, but stabbings are very rare, not commonplace.
A great number of those who will be affected, will be those found fit for work by the "test", and are therefore liable to get sanctioned (mental health issues, and partial disabilities, etc,)
Very Christian of our glorious leader.
As an aside, passing the medical test is easier if you are swinging the lead, as you will have looked up the answers to give instead of being honest. (do a little research people)
The first quote was pretty accurate vis a vis Japan at the time.
Actually it was a quote about Islam from a book about the reconquest of Sudan (which coincidentally my great grandfather took part in). Japan were 'our guys' for another 30 years or so.
Indeed they were - and co-belligerent allies in the Great War who e.g. occupied German possessions out East (I forget the exact details, but I recently discovered the Japanese national anthem in my grandparents' piano music collection). Lots of help from the Brits officially in things like developing their navy, and some illicit help too later on: the Master of Sempill couldn't keep up with the changes and ended up being prosecuted for helping the Japanese develop their naval aviation arm with British experience (he was a chum of the Archibald Ramsay MP who got the jail during WW2).
philiph The average criminal barrister earns about £36,000 and they start on little more than minimum wage, unlike their civil and corporate lawyer counterparts, most criminal lawyers are not rich, and the handful of QCs who do earn 6 figures distort the average
Yes Scotland are now attacking the Coalition's plans to make jobseekers sign on daily. Not sure this exactly helps their cause, considering those who go to work daily pay taxes to subsidise welfare it seems fair enough to me? https://twitter.com/YesScotland
No matter how you look at it , the policy is not to help anyone back into work , it is purely to stigmatise them and single them out as feckless. Will be the same as their ATOS policy , innocent people will be caught up in it and starve or commit suicide as we see today. Despicable policy by despicable millionaires. Tories and Labour should be publicly shamed for their nastiness.
But only if a person has been unemployed for 2 yrs and refuses to take up an offer of training.
So you think paying G4S , Serco , etc 2 or 3 times the unemployment benefit to harass the few people who are long term layabouts rather than using the cash to provide the majority of unemployed people who really want jobs is a good idea. Maybe if they concentrated just a little bit on those really looking for work , ie NO zero hours contracts , living wage , etc. We would then be a lot better off and they could easily spot the ones who do not want to work. It is wasted money , spent on their chums just to humiliate people by nasty millionaires.
"I know your dislike for Cameron is legendary on here, ..."
*blushes* I didn't realise my writing so was so avidly received
"... but at least he's been seen with a pint in his hand. ..."
Yes, and according to Herself who has watched such clips on television, he sips at it like a wimp who is desperately anxious to get back to wine - drinking beer just another Cameron PR stunt
"... If that's the case, your dislike for the pint-less Miliband must be epic? ..."
My contempt, he is beneath dislike, for Miliband knows no bounds. A more disgusting oxygen thief I can scarce imagine outside a a high security prison.
" ...Besides, I was born in South Derbyshire, so it must be a pint of Bass for me. Or if I'm in the Peaks, a bottle of the sublime Old Tom:
I am usually very suspicious of bottled beers, but given that the brewers of Old Tom are clearly cat lovers I shall ask the local off-licence to get in a few bottles for me to try.
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
Carnyx More regular checks seems to me, and I would imagine most taxpaying voters, perfectly sensible. Pulpstar Even in Scotland 82% support the welfare cap, 81% want benefits stopped for those who refuse offers of employment and a plurality want welfare to increase at less than 1% a year and believe the government has not been tough enough at getting the jobless into work http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/5tdopkoktm/YG-Archive-Pol-Sunday-Times-results-04-060113.pdf
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
Carnyx, You cannot believe a word that windbag says. He said the SoS role should be scrapped and then when offered it he grabbed it and now thinks it is critical to have it. A money grabbing Lib Dem with no principles and would sell his granny for a pound.
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
Yes Scotland are now attacking the Coalition's plans to make jobseekers sign on daily. Not sure this exactly helps their cause, considering those who go to work daily pay taxes to subsidise welfare it seems fair enough to me? https://twitter.com/YesScotland
No matter how you look at it , the policy is not to help anyone back into work , it is purely to stigmatise them and single them out as feckless. Will be the same as their ATOS policy , innocent people will be caught up in it and starve or commit suicide as we see today. Despicable policy by despicable millionaires. Tories and Labour should be publicly shamed for their nastiness.
But only if a person has been unemployed for 2 yrs and refuses to take up an offer of training.
3 years, you have to be on JSA for a year before being referred to the Work Programme.
Daily signings can be very effective, a good adviser can give the customer something new to do every day (eg apply for a particular job) and keep up the momentum, making jobsearch a daily activity rather than something you do fortnightly just before signing on.
And for those people who are working while claiming benefits, a daily signing at different times can be very disruptive.
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
MalcolmG Getting people to work for their benefits is hardly starving them to death, without forgetting the growth of foodbanks now too
Dear dear, they are going to get them to pick shite up of the streets and beaches. AS I said do you think it is worth lining Serco , GS4 , etc pockets with at least 3 times the princely sum of £71 just to humiliate people. Would it not be better to firstly get the people who really want to work real jobs and then worry about the minimal amount of so called scroungers. This is not about helping long term unemployed into jobs. It is just punishment that will drag lots of people , similar to the ATOS death sentence , who really want a job into the clutches of these rapacious companies run by the Tories chums. Lots of wasted money , their chums pockets filled and they can claim to be tough on spongers, classy.
I am usually very suspicious of bottled beers, but given that the brewers of Old Tom are clearly cat lovers I shall ask the local off-licence to get in a few bottles for me to try.
Much better on draught, one of my favourites. Worth seeking out next time you are in the Lake District (or elsewhere in Robinsons country)
Yes Scotland are now attacking the Coalition's plans to make jobseekers sign on daily. Not sure this exactly helps their cause, considering those who go to work daily pay taxes to subsidise welfare it seems fair enough to me? https://twitter.com/YesScotland
No matter how you look at it , the policy is not to help anyone back into work , it is purely to stigmatise them and single them out as feckless. Will be the same as their ATOS policy , innocent people will be caught up in it and starve or commit suicide as we see today. Despicable policy by despicable millionaires. Tories and Labour should be publicly shamed for their nastiness.
But only if a person has been unemployed for 2 yrs and refuses to take up an offer of training.
3 years, you have to be on JSA for a year before being referred to the Work Programme.
Daily signings can be very effective, a good adviser can give the customer something new to do every day (eg apply for a particular job) and keep up the momentum, making jobsearch a daily activity rather than something you do fortnightly just before signing on.
And for those people who are working while claiming benefits, a daily signing at different times can be very disruptive.
John, how many times have you been unemployed and been helped down the jobcentre then. Or is it just a fantasy.
PS wonder when the workhouses and Gulags will be introduced
@ Mr. Jessop "I know your dislike for Cameron is legendary on here, ..."
*blushes* I didn't realise my writing so was so avidly received
"... but at least he's been seen with a pint in his hand. ..."
Yes, and according to Herself who has watched such clips on television, he sips at it like a wimp who is desperately anxious to get back to wine - drinking beer just another Cameron PR stunt
"... If that's the case, your dislike for the pint-less Miliband must be epic? ..."
My contempt, he is beneath dislike, for Miliband knows no bounds. A more disgusting oxygen thief I can scarce imagine outside a a high security prison.
" ...Besides, I was born in South Derbyshire, so it must be a pint of Bass for me. Or if I'm in the Peaks, a bottle of the sublime Old Tom:
I am usually very suspicious of bottled beers, but given that the brewers of Old Tom are clearly cat lovers I shall ask the local off-licence to get in a few bottles for me to try.
Be warned: it's strong stuff. We used to joke that in winter you could turn the bottle upside down and none would come out.
I have a friend (and old boss) who said the worst hangover he's ever had was on Old Tom, drunk whilst he was a student. One day when I was back in Derbyshire I bought a crate and took it back to him so he could relive the old days. The next day his dad died.
I'm not sure there's any connection, but he's asked me never even to mention the stuff again ...
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
" a daily signing at different times can be very disruptive."
And for those dyslexics, people with already chaotic lives, and those with various other syndromes....it will be absolutely devastating. Still, you can ignore all of that and and carry on as usual
Carnyx More regular checks seems to me, and I would imagine most taxpaying voters, perfectly sensible. Pulpstar Even in Scotland 82% support the welfare cap, 81% want benefits stopped for those who refuse offers of employment and a plurality want welfare to increase at less than 1% a year and believe the government has not been tough enough at getting the jobless into work http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/5tdopkoktm/YG-Archive-Pol-Sunday-Times-results-04-060113.pdf
The welfare cap and this policy are two different things.
Smarmeron Provided you turn up and sign up when supposed too and are looking for work you should not face a sanction, in any cases where sanctions have been wrongly applied that is a case for investigation, but the principle is a good one
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
Afraid it will take more than a slick American marketing ploy to rescue the Tories, a good start would be a little honesty, a commitment to their manifesto, the dropping of items not in their manifesto, a return to conservatism with a different message from the others, a return to reasonable debate in place of smears & insults, a new leader who listens to his supporters & party....not going to happen is it...well nor is another Tory government....promise!
" a daily signing at different times can be very disruptive."
And for those dyslexics, people with already chaotic lives, and those with various other syndromes....it will be absolutely devastating. Still, you can ignore all of that and and carry on as usual
I would have thought it would act as an incentive to those with chaotic lives to sort themselves out. They won't find work otherwise. Not sure the dyslexic thing is a real problem, most people with dyslexia find a way to live a pretty normal life including being able to turn up to appointments on time.
Look up just how many sanctions were issued last year, absolutely fairly of course, then think of the fact that the real lead swingers know how to work the system. Self employment is very profitable for almost zero work, ask one of the privatized work advisers.
Ignorance is bliss, and a good bit of "them-ism" never hurts a political party or dictator.
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
It's well known who the staff target, If you have been hauled up for seeming to be a bit lax, the easiest clients to sanction are the ones who aren't smart enough. Still, it get the boss off your back.
3 years, you have to be on JSA for a year before being referred to the Work Programme.
Daily signings can be very effective, a good adviser can give the customer something new to do every day (eg apply for a particular job) and keep up the momentum, making jobsearch a daily activity rather than something you do fortnightly just before signing on.
And for those people who are working while claiming benefits, a daily signing at different times can be very disruptive.
Do you really think the Job centre people have been given additional time or resources to provide 1 to 1 support for the long term unemployed?
Reality is some poor sod is going to have to deal with everyone signing on daily in what was their tea break as we all know their other workload won't have been reduced....
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
As so often, I refer you to the White Paper - and note the failure of the London Government (or more precisely the Government in London) to cooperate when it would help clarify matters (eg. in asking the EU about Scottish membership). It's hard to plan when one partner is being deliberately obstructive, or in denial of a fair probability of reality.
Malcolmg The economy is now growing and more jobs are being created, it seems perfectly sensible to me to get more people looking for work and in the condition they can take on those jobs.
Pulpstar As I also wrote a plurality of Scots believe the government has not been tough enough at getting the jobless off benefits and into work
" a daily signing at different times can be very disruptive."
And for those dyslexics, people with already chaotic lives, and those with various other syndromes....it will be absolutely devastating. Still, you can ignore all of that and and carry on as usual
Almost as destructive and devastating as treble shift work and I only had to suffer 30 yrs of that.
Excuse me for having little sympathy for someone who refuses training after 3 yrs of the dole.
How absurd a position have we got to in modern Britain that, when a man gets arrested for quoting a book by Winston Churchill, the media doesn't report the actual quote that caused the arrest:
Certain opinions are now completely off limits to us. Media outlets who don't agree with them aren't even allowed to reproduce them, in case us plebeians take them to heart. And claims liberals in government don't give a damn about it.
He wasn't arrested for quoting from a book by Churchill; he was arrested for failing to abide by a dispersal order.
MalcolmG Getting people to work for their benefits is hardly starving them to death, without forgetting the growth of foodbanks now too
Dear dear, they are going to get them to pick shite up of the streets and beaches. AS I said do you think it is worth lining Serco , GS4 , etc pockets with at least 3 times the princely sum of £71 just to humiliate people. Would it not be better to firstly get the people who really want to work real jobs and then worry about the minimal amount of so called scroungers. This is not about helping long term unemployed into jobs. It is just punishment that will drag lots of people , similar to the ATOS death sentence , who really want a job into the clutches of these rapacious companies run by the Tories chums. Lots of wasted money , their chums pockets filled and they can claim to be tough on spongers, classy.
Those businesses lost work south of the border, but were given new contracts by their chums in Scotlañd.
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
As so often, I refer you to the White Paper - and note the failure of the London Government (or more precisely the Government in London) to cooperate when it would help clarify matters (eg. in asking the EU about Scottish membership). It's hard to plan when one partner is being deliberately obstructive, or in denial of a fair probability of reality.
Why the hell should they ? If Scots want to make their way in the world then so be it, if you get there we might get round to it . Since you're also part of a greater European Union why aren't you griping about their lack of plans too, they'll have probably an even bigger effect on you than divorce a la britannique ?
Smarmeron Provided you turn up and sign up when supposed too and are looking for work you should not face a sanction, in any cases where sanctions have been wrongly applied that is a case for investigation, but the principle is a good one
The problem is the delays in sorting such things out - hence the need for food banks. I'm not in favour of idleness at all - 2 meetings a week may well be a good idea, but five when we are seeing a degree of blatant inefficiency of administration, whether through ineptness or deliberate. I'm coming more and more to wonder almost if I am seeing a return to the good old days of the Speenhamland System as in e.g. Dorset in the mid-C19 - use the poorhouse to force people to work underpaid with their wages topped up by the taxpayers to the profit of the landowners and farmers.
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
No doubt but if it's illegal to quote something that's in a book is it illegal to own or lend or sell the same book?
No.
The articles say he was arrested for harassment, so owning the books (or, I suspect, saying it in a way that didn't involve a the steps of a public building and a megaphone) wouldn't even nearly apply.
He was also arrested for inciting religious hatred. Which is insane. And no, views should not be illegal because others find them "repulsive".
Source? Because the two links provided all list harassment and make no mention of inciting hatred.
(And with harassment it's not the views themselves that are illegal but how he expressed them).
Having looked again, I was wrong. It was indeed harassment rather than hatred. So on the harassment charge, what was "harassing" about them? Because not one of the media reports mention anything about him going after individuals. He made a speech from outside the guildhall.
Behaviour that is disorderly, offensive, insulting, and/or something something. Doesn't have to be directed at individuals, impossible to commit in your home. Or something.
(Warning, my hasty recollections of what harassment is should not be taken as legal advice).
We regularly say things that are insulting towards other belief systems. Why on Earth are religions protected? We all need to accept things are said about our own beliefs that we feel insulted by.
Carnyx I understand the jobless will be working in the voluntary sector so the taxpayer will not be 'topping' up the profit of bosses in the private sector or taking jobs from others, but anyway we will have to see what the detail of the proposals are once they are put forward
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
As so often, I refer you to the White Paper - and note the failure of the London Government (or more precisely the Government in London) to cooperate when it would help clarify matters (eg. in asking the EU about Scottish membership). It's hard to plan when one partner is being deliberately obstructive, or in denial of a fair probability of reality.
You see, Mr. Brooke, its all the fault of the English that nobody on the Yes campaign seems to have a soddin' clue about currency, EU membership, NATO, projected iScotland finances etc. etc.. So, no more of your pointing out the bleedin' obvious, thank you very much. Just put on the sackcloth and ashes and lets have few more expressions of guilt.
Yes, employment at zero cost to the employer will get our economy moving. Build some camps and put the shiftless in there, thus freeing homes for the hard working.
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
As so often, I refer you to the White Paper - and note the failure of the London Government (or more precisely the Government in London) to cooperate when it would help clarify matters (eg. in asking the EU about Scottish membership). It's hard to plan when one partner is being deliberately obstructive, or in denial of a fair probability of reality.
You see, Mr. Brooke, its all the fault of the English that nobody on the Yes campaign seems to have a soddin' clue about currency, EU membership, NATO, projected iScotland finances etc. etc.. So, no more of your pointing out the bleedin' obvious, thank you very much. Just put on the sackcloth and ashes and lets have few more expressions of guilt.
Mr L they have a white paper. It has a great big wish list of all the things that will happen post Indy from a free Aurora Borealis in your bedroom every night to the end of poverty famine and war.
Or you could just recognise it as yet more spin and use it on the fire over winter. At least that way it would be of some use.
James Forsyth @JGForsyth 5m Standing ovation just for Farage arriving on stage. Farage tells them Ukip govt will restore the Royal Navy presence pic.twitter.com/HqVeOgcgOQ
" ... people to work underpaid with their wages topped up by the taxpayers to the profit of the landowners and farmers ...."
Given the scale of in work benefits I think we have been in that position for some years. Of course it isn't so much the landowners and farmers that benefit these days more multinationals and, those favourites of the politicians, the entrepreneurs.
Identifying the problem is easy, how it can be solved is another matter.
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
As so often, I refer you to the White Paper - and note the failure of the London Government (or more precisely the Government in London) to cooperate when it would help clarify matters (eg. in asking the EU about Scottish membership). It's hard to plan when one partner is being deliberately obstructive, or in denial of a fair probability of reality.
You see, Mr. Brooke, its all the fault of the English that nobody on the Yes campaign seems to have a soddin' clue about currency, EU membership, NATO, projected iScotland finances etc. etc.. So, no more of your pointing out the bleedin' obvious, thank you very much. Just put on the sackcloth and ashes and lets have few more expressions of guilt.
" ... people to work underpaid with their wages topped up by the taxpayers to the profit of the landowners and farmers ...."
Given the scale of in work benefits I think we have been in that position for some years. Of course it isn't so much the landowners and farmers that benefit these days more multinationals and, those favourites, of the politicians the entrepreneurs.
Identifying the problem is easy, how it can be solved is another matter.
Ah but if Gordon Brown subsidises employers through credits then it's called getting people back in to work and you can sleep safely knowing Starbucks have got their cheap Labour ethically
. If anyone else does it it's quite clearly exploitation.
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
As so often, I refer you to the White Paper - and note the failure of the London Government (or more precisely the Government in London) to cooperate when it would help clarify matters (eg. in asking the EU about Scottish membership). It's hard to plan when one partner is being deliberately obstructive, or in denial of a fair probability of reality.
You see, Mr. Brooke, its all the fault of the English that nobody on the Yes campaign seems to have a soddin' clue about currency, EU membership, NATO, projected iScotland finances etc. etc.. So, no more of your pointing out the bleedin' obvious, thank you very much. Just put on the sackcloth and ashes and lets have few more expressions of guilt.
Mr L they have a white paper. It has a great big wish list of all the things that will happen post Indy from a free Aurora Borealis in your bedroom every night to the end of poverty famine and war.
Or you could just recognise it as yet more spin and use it on the fire over winter. At least that way it would be of some use.
Now, now, Mr, B.. It doesn't matter what you and I think of The White Paper. Carnyx has made it quite clear that any gap between the contents of The White Paper and reality is entirely the fault of the English. So we must not carp of criticise and if you would shoulder your share of the guilt burden it would be helpful because my back is killing me this evening.
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
As so often, I refer you to the White Paper - and note the failure of the London Government (or more precisely the Government in London) to cooperate when it would help clarify matters (eg. in asking the EU about Scottish membership). It's hard to plan when one partner is being deliberately obstructive, or in denial of a fair probability of reality.
You see, Mr. Brooke, its all the fault of the English that nobody on the Yes campaign seems to have a soddin' clue about currency, EU membership, NATO, projected iScotland finances etc. etc.. So, no more of your pointing out the bleedin' obvious, thank you very much. Just put on the sackcloth and ashes and lets have few more expressions of guilt.
Mr L they have a white paper. It has a great big wish list of all the things that will happen post Indy from a free Aurora Borealis in your bedroom every night to the end of poverty famine and war.
Or you could just recognise it as yet more spin and use it on the fire over winter. At least that way it would be of some use.
Now, now, Mr, B.. It doesn't matter what you and I think of The White Paper. Carnyx has made it quite clear that any gap between the contents of The White Paper and reality is entirely the fault of the English. So we must not carp of criticise and if you would shoulder your share of the guilt burden it would be helpful because my back is killing me this evening.
I was hoping NI might share some of the blame too, but we're so crammed with cliquey calvinists Carnyx won't blame his rellies. Maybe if we send him back Paisley Junior we'll get him to crack.
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
As so often, I refer you to the White Paper - and note the failure of the London Government (or more precisely the Government in London) to cooperate when it would help clarify matters (eg. in asking the EU about Scottish membership). It's hard to plan when one partner is being deliberately obstructive, or in denial of a fair probability of reality.
You see, Mr. Brooke, its all the fault of the English that nobody on the Yes campaign seems to have a soddin' clue about currency, EU membership, NATO, projected iScotland finances etc. etc.. So, no more of your pointing out the bleedin' obvious, thank you very much. Just put on the sackcloth and ashes and lets have few more expressions of guilt.
Watched another Farscape tonight (Pick, weekdays at 6.55pm). Plots much more original and coherent (ie they actually make bloody sense) than New Who. It'll be interesting to see if Stark annoys me as much as he did the first time.
Yes, employment at zero cost to the employer will get our economy moving. Build some camps and put the shiftless in there, thus freeing homes for the hard working.
Well was anyone on the phone to DC? I would be interested to learn how it went now that we have blown out the candles.
BTW with some help from @John_O who acted as an intermediary Tim has promptly paid his outstanding wager with me. I am doubling it and forwarding it to Better Together tomorrow.
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
As so often, I refer you to the White Paper - and note the failure of the London Government (or more precisely the Government in London) to cooperate when it would help clarify matters (eg. in asking the EU about Scottish membership). It's hard to plan when one partner is being deliberately obstructive, or in denial of a fair probability of reality.
You see, Mr. Brooke, its all the fault of the English that nobody on the Yes campaign seems to have a soddin' clue about currency, EU membership, NATO, projected iScotland finances etc. etc.. So, no more of your pointing out the bleedin' obvious, thank you very much. Just put on the sackcloth and ashes and lets have few more expressions of guilt.
Mr L they have a white paper. It has a great big wish list of all the things that will happen post Indy from a free Aurora Borealis in your bedroom every night to the end of poverty famine and war.
Or you could just recognise it as yet more spin and use it on the fire over winter. At least that way it would be of some use.
Now, now, Mr, B.. It doesn't matter what you and I think of The White Paper. Carnyx has made it quite clear that any gap between the contents of The White Paper and reality is entirely the fault of the English. So we must not carp of criticise and if you would shoulder your share of the guilt burden it would be helpful because my back is killing me this evening.
I was hoping NI might share some of the blame too, but we're so crammed with cliquey calvinists Carnyx won't blame his rellies. Maybe if we send him back Paisley Junior we'll get him to crack.
Ah, you have got me there. My knowledge of NI politics was limited to trying to stop followers of certain, now, prominent politicians blowing holes in people (including, at times, me). However, if, as you suggest, Carnyx is a Calvinist, there is no point in even feeling guilty as its all pre-ordained anyway.
Tsk, the cocktail fund would have been a much more deserving cause for the winnings!
Believe me, I was tempted to expropriate the dosh for our tincture of naughtiness.
Good on tim for paying up!
Mr O since you appear to be the PB clairvoyant, any chance you could summon up the spirit of Roger ?
I do miss the old fellow and hate to think of him wasting his life on the Cote d'Azur endlessly quaffing champagne when he could be having a totally pointless argument with someone he's never met on PB.
Tsk, the cocktail fund would have been a much more deserving cause for the winnings!
Believe me, I was tempted to expropriate the dosh for our tincture of naughtiness.
Good on tim for paying up!
Mr O since you appear to be the PB clairvoyant, any chance you could summon up the spirit of Roger ?
I do miss the old fellow and hate to think of him wasting his life on the Cote d'Azur endlessly quaffing champagne when he could be having a totally pointless argument with someone he's never met on PB.
You are on fire tonight although the Scottish Government one will be hard to beat.
Oh dear just heard the news about Max Clifford. And he seemed such a nice bloke as well.
Teenage boys everywhere will be consulting their lawyers after the guilty verdict where he was found to have "manipulated teenage girls into performing sex acts".
Tsk, the cocktail fund would have been a much more deserving cause for the winnings!
Believe me, I was tempted to expropriate the dosh for our tincture of naughtiness.
Good on tim for paying up!
Mr O since you appear to be the PB clairvoyant, any chance you could summon up the spirit of Roger ?
I do miss the old fellow and hate to think of him wasting his life on the Cote d'Azur endlessly quaffing champagne when he could be having a totally pointless argument with someone he's never met on PB.
Funny enough I do have his e-mail as well: Roger was at the first ever pb drinkkies in summer 2005.
Oh dear just heard the news about Max Clifford. And he seemed such a nice bloke as well.
If you listen hard enough you might hear the sound of skeletons rattling around the closets of some amusing celebs and politicians as old Cliffy prepares his 'nuclear option.'
Nor will it be the last time such a strategy is employed.
Tsk, the cocktail fund would have been a much more deserving cause for the winnings!
Believe me, I was tempted to expropriate the dosh for our tincture of naughtiness.
Good on tim for paying up!
Mr O since you appear to be the PB clairvoyant, any chance you could summon up the spirit of Roger ?
I do miss the old fellow and hate to think of him wasting his life on the Cote d'Azur endlessly quaffing champagne when he could be having a totally pointless argument with someone he's never met on PB.
Funny enough I do have his e-mail as well: Roger was at the first ever pb drinkkies in summer 2005.
John,
I've sent him a message via Vanilla but don't know if he'll get it, would appreciate if you could give him a nudge.
O/T but something for Mr @SeanT - official denial by Mr Carmichael that the Coalition is making any contingency planning for the event of a Yes vote. [Transcript of interview rather than comment, ,mostly]
As so often, I refer you to the White Paper - and note the failure of the London Government (or more precisely the Government in London) to cooperate when it would help clarify matters (eg. in asking the EU about Scottish membership). It's hard to plan when one partner is being deliberately obstructive, or in denial of a fair probability of reality.
You see, Mr. Brooke, its all the fault of the English that nobody on the Yes campaign seems to have a soddin' clue about currency, EU membership, NATO, projected iScotland finances etc. etc.. So, no more of your pointing out the bleedin' obvious, thank you very much. Just put on the sackcloth and ashes and lets have few more expressions of guilt.
Mr L they have a white paper. It has a great big wish list of all the things that will happen post Indy from a free Aurora Borealis in your bedroom every night to the end of poverty famine and war.
Or you could just recognise it as yet more spin and use it on the fire over winter. At least that way it would be of some use.
Now, now, Mr, B.. It doesn't matter what you and I think of The White Paper. Carnyx has made it quite clear that any gap between the contents of The White Paper and reality is entirely the fault of the English. So we must not carp of criticise and if you would shoulder your share of the guilt burden it would be helpful because my back is killing me this evening.
Now, now, I didn't say English. I said the Government in London. Not the same thing at all, at least in principle. And the point remains: to refuse information and simultaneously to crow about the consequences is not a mature policy.
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(1) Failure to comply with a direction to disperse, contrary to section 27(6) of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006.
(2) Racially or religiously aggravated harassment, contrary to section 32(1) of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 and section 2(1) of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997.
A direction to disperse under section 27 of the 2006 Act may only be given where 'the presence of the individual in that locality is likely, in all the circumstances, to cause or to contribute to the occurrence of alcohol-related crime or disorder in that locality, or to cause or to contribute to a repetition or continuance there of such crime or disorder' and the direction would contribute to the reduction or prevention of such crime and disorder.
The offence of harassment is committed when someone embarks on a course on conduct, which involves the harassment of any other person or persons. Harassment includes speech, and includes alarming the person or causing the person distress. Course of conduct means, in relation to one person, that the conduct must take place on at least two occasions. Where the conduct is in relation to more than one person, it must take place on one occasion in relation to each of those persons.
Racially or religiously aggravated means that
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10793483/Prime-Ministers-brother-criticises-legal-aid-reforms.html
" will reopen the debate about metal detectors in schools "
Which in turn will lead certain people to invest in ceramic knife manufacturers.
You think youth gangs will switch to ceramic blades, or you think people will invest foolishly into the manufacturers?
https://twitter.com/YesScotland
There are dozens of manufacturers already, (Kitchen knives from Aldi among other sources).
As for people taking them? There seems to be a consensus amongst the public that knives are an arms race in school.
The investment advice was slightly tongue in cheek, no one would think of profiting from violence...........^^
[edited to remove irrelevance] Perhaps because it will end up costing a lot more in staff and bus/train costs and not produce proportionately more results than a weekly meeting? Twice a week perhaps, but five times a week?? And making them waste time hanging around is an odd way of encouraging them to be applying for jobs. Could be Willetts and tuition fees all over again.
An rather robust outburst from Mellor - afterall, there are worse crimes than being tared and feathered as a Chelsea supporter..!
A great number of those who will be affected, will be those found fit for work by the "test", and are therefore liable to get sanctioned (mental health issues, and partial disabilities, etc,)
Very Christian of our glorious leader.
As an aside, passing the medical test is easier if you are swinging the lead, as you will have looked up the answers to give instead of being honest. (do a little research people)
Maybe if they concentrated just a little bit on those really looking for work , ie NO zero hours contracts , living wage , etc. We would then be a lot better off and they could easily spot the ones who do not want to work.
It is wasted money , spent on their chums just to humiliate people by nasty millionaires.
"I know your dislike for Cameron is legendary on here, ..."
*blushes*
I didn't realise my writing so was so avidly received
"... but at least he's been seen with a pint in his hand. ..."
Yes, and according to Herself who has watched such clips on television, he sips at it like a wimp who is desperately anxious to get back to wine - drinking beer just another Cameron PR stunt
"... If that's the case, your dislike for the pint-less Miliband must be epic? ..."
My contempt, he is beneath dislike, for Miliband knows no bounds. A more disgusting oxygen thief I can scarce imagine outside a a high security prison.
" ...Besides, I was born in South Derbyshire, so it must be a pint of Bass for me. Or if I'm in the Peaks, a bottle of the sublime Old Tom:
http://www.oldtombeer.co.uk/ "
I am usually very suspicious of bottled beers, but given that the brewers of Old Tom are clearly cat lovers I shall ask the local off-licence to get in a few bottles for me to try.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/looking-out-for-portsmouth/#more-54132
Pulpstar Even in Scotland 82% support the welfare cap, 81% want benefits stopped for those who refuse offers of employment and a plurality want welfare to increase at less than 1% a year and believe the government has not been tough enough at getting the jobless into work http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/5tdopkoktm/YG-Archive-Pol-Sunday-Times-results-04-060113.pdf
Try and find the number of sanctions the Job Center issues against those who are classed as "vulnerable"
The targets that don't exist must be met ;-)
Daily signings can be very effective, a good adviser can give the customer something new to do every day (eg apply for a particular job) and keep up the momentum, making jobsearch a daily activity rather than something you do fortnightly just before signing on.
And for those people who are working while claiming benefits, a daily signing at different times can be very disruptive.
This is not about helping long term unemployed into jobs. It is just punishment that will drag lots of people , similar to the ATOS death sentence , who really want a job into the clutches of these rapacious companies run by the Tories chums.
Lots of wasted money , their chums pockets filled and they can claim to be tough on spongers, classy.
PS wonder when the workhouses and Gulags will be introduced
I have a friend (and old boss) who said the worst hangover he's ever had was on Old Tom, drunk whilst he was a student. One day when I was back in Derbyshire I bought a crate and took it back to him so he could relive the old days. The next day his dad died.
I'm not sure there's any connection, but he's asked me never even to mention the stuff again ...
" a daily signing at different times can be very disruptive."
And for those dyslexics, people with already chaotic lives, and those with various other syndromes....it will be absolutely devastating.
Still, you can ignore all of that and and carry on as usual
Self employment is very profitable for almost zero work, ask one of the privatized work advisers.
Ignorance is bliss, and a good bit of "them-ism" never hurts a political party or dictator.
Why this site has an off-topic button but not a like button I shall never understand.
If, as expected, I vote LD in 2015, I might keep that quiet - the embarrassment, you see.
And this from a man who voted Labour when Michael Foot was in charge.
It's well known who the staff target, If you have been hauled up for seeming to be a bit lax, the easiest clients to sanction are the ones who aren't smart enough.
Still, it get the boss off your back.
Reality is some poor sod is going to have to deal with everyone signing on daily in what was their tea break as we all know their other workload won't have been reduced....
Pulpstar As I also wrote a plurality of Scots believe the government has not been tough enough at getting the jobless off benefits and into work
Excuse me for having little sympathy for someone who refuses training after 3 yrs of the dole.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/g4s-and-serco-to-keep-scottish-contracts-1-3231503
How funny.
Or haven't you thought that out yet ?
Yes, employment at zero cost to the employer will get our economy moving.
Build some camps and put the shiftless in there, thus freeing homes for the hard working.
Or you could just recognise it as yet more spin and use it on the fire over winter. At least that way it would be of some use.
James Forsyth @JGForsyth 5m
Standing ovation just for Farage arriving on stage. Farage tells them Ukip govt will restore the Royal Navy presence pic.twitter.com/HqVeOgcgOQ
No campaign in crisis after minister admits currency union ban was a bluff
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/home-news/pro-union-campaign-in-crisis-after-minister-admits-currency-union-ban-was-a-bluff.23823233 … #IndyRef
*snigger*
Always remember the PB Golden Rule.
The PB tories are always wrong. The PB tories never learn.
Given the scale of in work benefits I think we have been in that position for some years. Of course it isn't so much the landowners and farmers that benefit these days more multinationals and, those favourites of the politicians, the entrepreneurs.
Identifying the problem is easy, how it can be solved is another matter.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x4C9HuLu4B0
"Identifying the problem is easy, how it can be solved is another matter."
I thought that's what we paid politicians to do? Fapping about with half baked "vote catchers" is what we seem to get.
. If anyone else does it it's quite clearly exploitation.
The real "something for nothing culture"?
At least Starbucks have offered to pay a bit of tax....so we should all be grateful.
Offering the same to benefits cheats would save prison space?....
Don't choke on the champers at the back..you know THAT wouldn't happen.
Business always donates to the Tories, even if they call themselves "Labour"
Watched another Farscape tonight (Pick, weekdays at 6.55pm). Plots much more original and coherent (ie they actually make bloody sense) than New Who. It'll be interesting to see if Stark annoys me as much as he did the first time.
Daily_Express @Daily_Express
David Cameron claims 'Big Society' is the work of Jesus, as he calls himself 'Dyno-rod' http://dexpr.es/1eu4rrT
*tears of laughter etc.*
Poor old PB tories. You couldn't make it up etc.
Mainly because I thought he couldn't be worse than Thatcher. Unfortunately he was just as mathematically challenged.
(Not that he or the rest can't do the maths......They just solve the wrong problem)
BTW with some help from @John_O who acted as an intermediary Tim has promptly paid his outstanding wager with me. I am doubling it and forwarding it to Better Together tomorrow.
I saved the cost of the phonecall.....I prayed to him instead.
Tsk, the cocktail fund would have been a much more deserving cause for the winnings!
Good on tim for paying up!
I do miss the old fellow and hate to think of him wasting his life on the Cote d'Azur endlessly quaffing champagne when he could be having a totally pointless argument with someone he's never met on PB.
Teenage boys everywhere will be consulting their lawyers after the guilty verdict where he was found to have "manipulated teenage girls into performing sex acts".
Crisis over.
LOL
Nor will it be the last time such a strategy is employed.
I've sent him a message via Vanilla but don't know if he'll get it, would appreciate if you could give him a nudge.
Thanks.