Reminds me of an episode in my teens when I had a summer job working in a paint factory. This was an expensive and effective outdoor paint, and their production line was a bit primitive by modern standards I guess. Anyway, I usually was employed packing one gallon cans four to a box. These boxes were sent along a very circuitous overhead track all around the ceiling, eventually ending up at a fancy machine whose job it was to seal and then stack them. But a man had had to be employed at that point with a stick to straighten every third box or so that arrived with a slewed orientation and so had to be righted before the machine could do its stuff.
After a week or so I started to get the measure of the place, and walking around the floor during a break I noticed that as the boxes followed the track, halfway or so along, would sometimes knock against a support rod that held an overhead florescent light that had clearly been installed after the track. I pointed this out to the overseer who got someone to just tie the support to one side.
Ed Balls@edballsmp·6m Good grief.. Oh go on then.. RT @edballsmp: Ed Balls Details Ed Balls@edballsmp·9m Awful to hear about the tragedy at Corpus Christi school in Leeds. Our thoughts are with family & friends of the teacher who has died.
I do hope if these unemployed people are going to forced to come in everyday they will be able to get free public transport there, otherwise they will not have any money left from their benefit to pay for food etc.
I think back to my niece who had just graduated but after suffering a home invasion by armed thugs and being tied up in their beds in their flat and having a gun shoved in her face, she decided she'd had enough of London, she decided to move back to the Isle of Wight to be near her mum. It has been a long struggle for her to get full time work. The Isle of Wight's is the pitts if you are young , the Island is stuffed full of retirees and holiday home owners who don't need jobs and are hence vociferous nimbies to all forms of development.
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A lot of people never recover from stuff like that.
Maidstone nominations finally available . The final figures for candidates are therefore
Lab 4192 Con 4137 LD.. 2927 UKIP 2179 Green 1875 TUSC 557 CPA 61 Liberal 43 Eng Dem 31 Respect 15 Ind/No Desc 367 Minor parties 384
Other totals may vary slightly because
1) 70 odd local by elections being held on May 22nd , some as double vacancies will be included in the above , others as single elections will probably not be . 2) Some of the No Description candidates do represent a party but because of nomination errors are not allowed to state their party on the ballot paper .
Thanks Mark that's helpful. Do you have a list anywhere of all the 'Minor' Parties and the number of candidates standing for each of them, or do you just go 'Other' (which would be perfectly understandable, just wondering)
And claims liberals in government don't give a damn about it.
The report says the churchill quotation was in the speech made by this gentleman, but it didn't say what else was in the speech.
So we can't tell what speech is ruled illegal by the state, to see whether the law is just or unjust. It's insane. It is not hyperbolic to say we don't have free speech in this country any more.
Maidstone nominations finally available . The final figures for candidates are therefore
Lab 4192 Con 4137 LD.. 2927 UKIP 2179 Green 1875 TUSC 557 CPA 61 Liberal 43 Eng Dem 31 Respect 15 Ind/No Desc 367 Minor parties 384
Other totals may vary slightly because
1) 70 odd local by elections being held on May 22nd , some as double vacancies will be included in the above , others as single elections will probably not be . 2) Some of the No Description candidates do represent a party but because of nomination errors are not allowed to state their party on the ballot paper .
Thanks Mark that's helpful. Do you have a list anywhere of all the 'Minor' Parties and the number of candidates standing for each of them, or do you just go 'Other' (which would be perfectly understandable, just wondering)
There is a list available on the Vote2012 website of all the minor parties and number of candidates thereof .
How absurd a position have we got to in modern Britain that, when a man gets arrested for quoting a book by Winston Churchill, the media doesn't report the actual quote that caused the arrest:
Certain opinions are now completely off limits to us. Media outlets who don't agree with them aren't even allowed to reproduce them, in case us plebeians take them to heart. And claims liberals in government don't give a damn about it.
On that story, did you note that following the complaint six or seven officers turned up to deal with it? Hampshire police are obviously over-staffed and/or incompetent if it takes half a dozen of then to deal with a man with a megaphone standing on the town hall steps.
How absurd a position have we got to in modern Britain that, when a man gets arrested for quoting a book by Winston Churchill, the media doesn't report the actual quote that caused the arrest:
Certain opinions are now completely off limits to us. Media outlets who don't agree with them aren't even allowed to reproduce them, in case us plebeians take them to heart. And claims liberals in government don't give a damn about it.
There's going to be an awful lot of books to burn before history is suitably cleansed of all the actual history.
How absurd a position have we got to in modern Britain that, when a man gets arrested for quoting a book by Winston Churchill, the media doesn't report the actual quote that caused the arrest:
Certain opinions are now completely off limits to us. Media outlets who don't agree with them aren't even allowed to reproduce them, in case us plebeians take them to heart. And claims liberals in government don't give a damn about it.
On that story, did you note that following the complaint six or seven officers turned up to do deal with it? Hampshire police are obviously over-staffed and/or incompetent if it takes half a dozen of then to deal with a man with a megaphone standing on the town hall steps.
cost/benefit: arrests like that are good for promotion and have zero risk of stabbage
Ah, found it in the Mail, the only newspaper with the credibility to actually report what happens - even the Telegraph was too cowardly:
"Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'"
Are these views encouraging anyone to hate Muslims, or to be violent against them? No, it was simple criticism of Islam. And this will now get you arrested in the UK.
Ah, found it in the Mail, the only newspaper with the credibility to actually report what happens - even the Telegraph was too cowardly:
"Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'"
Are these views encouraging anyone to hate Muslims, or to be violent against them? No, it was simple criticism of Islam. And this will now get you arrested in the UK.
Quoting from the newspaper that has supported Fascism for over 80 years hardly lends credibility to your argument .
I think the Euros are hard to read. At a push I'd guess UKIP will get the largest vote share, with Labour a little behind them, and the Tories in third place.
However, what is clear is that UKIP has built up massive expectations. Anything less than first place will look like a disappointment, and first place is already 'in the price'.
The result will be primarily compared to the result last time, whatever the expectations. The difference from the expectations may be the caveat, however.
The expectation that Farage & co have built up is that they will win. Anything less is failure. Poll findings like the YouGov one only add to the pressure.
"The expectation that Farage & co have built up is that they will win. Anything less is failure."
No, that is your expectation management.
A close 2nd will be presented as very good for UKIP in the MSM, as the distant 2nd was in Wythenshawe, even though you tried to paint it as a disaster on here.
Possibly, but UKIP didn't go around saying they were going to win W&SE for a year or more beforehand. A close second will probably still look pretty good in the MSM, but winning aren't OGH's expectations but UKIP's very public ones.
They haven't said they expect to win though, as far as I've seen
They said if they win it will cause a political earthquake
Fair point, he's said everything short of an actual prediction but he has stopped short. Plenty of "if we get this campaign right", "I have every confidence that we can", and "I think we've got a very good chance of" but no actual "I think we will".
And claims liberals in government don't give a damn about it.
The report says the churchill quotation was in the speech made by this gentleman, but it didn't say what else was in the speech.
So we can't tell what speech is ruled illegal by the state, to see whether the law is just or unjust. It's insane. It is not hyperbolic to say we don't have free speech in this country any more.
Getting arrested is the best possible thing that could have happened to this fruitloop.
Ah, found it in the Mail, the only newspaper with the credibility to actually report what happens - even the Telegraph was too cowardly:
"Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'"
Are these views encouraging anyone to hate Muslims, or to be violent against them? No, it was simple criticism of Islam. And this will now get you arrested in the UK.
Quoting from the newspaper that has supported Fascism for over 80 years hardly lends credibility to your argument .
Smear the messenger rather than deal with the argument. How unusual from the left!
And claims liberals in government don't give a damn about it.
The report says the churchill quotation was in the speech made by this gentleman, but it didn't say what else was in the speech.
So we can't tell what speech is ruled illegal by the state, to see whether the law is just or unjust. It's insane. It is not hyperbolic to say we don't have free speech in this country any more.
Getting arrested is the best possible thing that could have happened to this fruitloop.
Hopefully, it will bring much more attention to these antidemocratic and authoritarian laws. Is there any major politician with the courage to stand up for free speech any more?
And claims liberals in government don't give a damn about it.
The report says the churchill quotation was in the speech made by this gentleman, but it didn't say what else was in the speech.
So we can't tell what speech is ruled illegal by the state, to see whether the law is just or unjust. It's insane. It is not hyperbolic to say we don't have free speech in this country any more.
Getting arrested is the best possible thing that could have happened to this fruitloop.
Nothing quite like getting arrested when you are trying to make a point/further your argument.
Ah, found it in the Mail, the only newspaper with the credibility to actually report what happens - even the Telegraph was too cowardly:
"Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'"
Are these views encouraging anyone to hate Muslims, or to be violent against them? No, it was simple criticism of Islam. And this will now get you arrested in the UK.
Quoting from the newspaper that has supported Fascism for over 80 years hardly lends credibility to your argument .
Smear the messenger rather than deal with the argument. How unusual from the left!
And claims liberals in government don't give a damn about it.
The report says the churchill quotation was in the speech made by this gentleman, but it didn't say what else was in the speech.
So we can't tell what speech is ruled illegal by the state, to see whether the law is just or unjust. It's insane. It is not hyperbolic to say we don't have free speech in this country any more.
Getting arrested is the best possible thing that could have happened to this fruitloop.
Hopefully, it will bring much more attention to these antidemocratic and authoritarian laws. Is there any major politician with the courage to stand up for free speech any more?
Not quite "free speech" but Caroline Lucas gets in the trenches when it suits.
It's such a stupid thing to say for a senior politician though. Waterboarding on the US mainland would violate goodness knows how many bits of the constitution. It would never happen, even if there was a government barbaric enough to entertain such a thing.
And claims liberals in government don't give a damn about it.
The report says the churchill quotation was in the speech made by this gentleman, but it didn't say what else was in the speech.
So we can't tell what speech is ruled illegal by the state, to see whether the law is just or unjust. It's insane. It is not hyperbolic to say we don't have free speech in this country any more.
If he was arrested for reading out stuff written by Churchill, why was he not arrested immediately? Could he, in fact, have been arrested for what he said/did during the time the police were talking to him? How do you know that the version of events the Mail provides is everything that occurred?
And claims liberals in government don't give a damn about it.
The report says the churchill quotation was in the speech made by this gentleman, but it didn't say what else was in the speech.
So we can't tell what speech is ruled illegal by the state, to see whether the law is just or unjust. It's insane. It is not hyperbolic to say we don't have free speech in this country any more.
Getting arrested is the best possible thing that could have happened to this fruitloop.
Nothing quite like getting arrested when you are trying to make a point/further your argument.
Or when it comes to getting coverage.
Hopefully this EDL-supporting schmuck wont get too much coverage on the back of it though.
Ah, found it in the Mail, the only newspaper with the credibility to actually report what happens - even the Telegraph was too cowardly:
"Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'"
Are these views encouraging anyone to hate Muslims, or to be violent against them? No, it was simple criticism of Islam. And this will now get you arrested in the UK.
Quoting from the newspaper that has supported Fascism for over 80 years hardly lends credibility to your argument .
Smear the messenger rather than deal with the argument. How unusual from the left!
Says someone smearing the messenger!
Errr... no. I was criticizing his post, not Mark Senior as a person.
And claims liberals in government don't give a damn about it.
The report says the churchill quotation was in the speech made by this gentleman, but it didn't say what else was in the speech.
So we can't tell what speech is ruled illegal by the state, to see whether the law is just or unjust. It's insane. It is not hyperbolic to say we don't have free speech in this country any more.
Getting arrested is the best possible thing that could have happened to this fruitloop.
Nothing quite like getting arrested when you are trying to make a point/further your argument.
Or when it comes to getting coverage.
Hopefully this EDL-supporting schmuck wont get too much coverage on the back of it though.
Much better that the ban on criticism of Islam in the mainstream media remains intact then? We can't let the public hear dissenting views. They're not capable of thinking for themselves and might come to conclusions we dislike.
Ah, found it in the Mail, the only newspaper with the credibility to actually report what happens - even the Telegraph was too cowardly:
"Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'"
Are these views encouraging anyone to hate Muslims, or to be violent against them? No, it was simple criticism of Islam. And this will now get you arrested in the UK.
Quoting from the newspaper that has supported Fascism for over 80 years hardly lends credibility to your argument .
Smear the messenger rather than deal with the argument. How unusual from the left!
Says someone smearing the messenger!
Errr... no. I was criticizing his post, not Mark Senior as a person.
No, you characterised Mark's behaviour as typical of someone with his political views. That was a comment about him.
Why are the UKIP people on here so defensive, anyone mentions anything slightly derogatory or negative and they are straight on in full attack mode
Let me spell it out: Ukip is inspired by hatred. The sight of their fellow citizens drives Ukip supporters into foaming rages or indeed to France or Spain, not arguments about the Common Agricultural Policy. Perhaps you are one of the hated. To find out, ask yourself
And claims liberals in government don't give a damn about it.
The report says the churchill quotation was in the speech made by this gentleman, but it didn't say what else was in the speech.
So we can't tell what speech is ruled illegal by the state, to see whether the law is just or unjust. It's insane. It is not hyperbolic to say we don't have free speech in this country any more.
Getting arrested is the best possible thing that could have happened to this fruitloop.
Nothing quite like getting arrested when you are trying to make a point/further your argument.
Or when it comes to getting coverage.
Hopefully this EDL-supporting schmuck wont get too much coverage on the back of it though.
Big page on the Daily Mail (Which though you may disagree with its views is (I think) the most read online Newspaper of the lot..; Pictures of Churchill in the article; 216 shares; sympathetic header to article.
Paul Weston - a bullet that UKIP dodged this time around! He'd have been the next one in line for the media treatment if he hadnt already left.
Will Nigel Farage be weighing in to support this man's right to repeat Churchill's criticisms of Islam in public? Bet he doesn't.
Is it UKIP policy to allow complete freedom of speech for Nazi sympathiser, Islamist demagogue and religious homophobe alike. Say what you want to who you want where you want without let or hindrance??
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
Ah, found it in the Mail, the only newspaper with the credibility to actually report what happens - even the Telegraph was too cowardly:
"Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'"
Are these views encouraging anyone to hate Muslims, or to be violent against them? No, it was simple criticism of Islam. And this will now get you arrested in the UK.
Quoting from the newspaper that has supported Fascism for over 80 years hardly lends credibility to your argument .
Smear the messenger rather than deal with the argument. How unusual from the left!
Says someone smearing the messenger!
Errr... no. I was criticizing his post, not Mark Senior as a person.
No, you characterised Mark's behaviour as typical of someone with his political views. That was a comment about him.
That was the secondary extra point, after I had dealt with the argument. In addition, it was criticising the behaviour, not discrediting the point by saying who it came from.
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
Yeah but ... Churchill said it soooo... Churchill was voted 'Top Brit' iirc - "Can't even quote Churchill in Great Britain" could become a meme from all this - all meat and three veg for UKIP !
Is it UKIP policy to allow complete freedom of speech for Nazi sympathiser, Islamist demagogue and religious homophobe alike. Say what you want to who you want where you want without let or hindrance??
Bet it isn't.
I dont think anybody supports complete freedom of speech. For me a lot of the problems we come across (the gay horse etc.) tend to be cases of bad policing rather than proof that the law is too tilted against free speech. I say this mainly because you hear about ridiculous arrests far more often than you hear of ridiculous convictions. (Though I'm not arguing that the current state of legislation is ideal.)
Ah, found it in the Mail, the only newspaper with the credibility to actually report what happens - even the Telegraph was too cowardly:
"Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'"
Are these views encouraging anyone to hate Muslims, or to be violent against them? No, it was simple criticism of Islam. And this will now get you arrested in the UK.
Quoting from the newspaper that has supported Fascism for over 80 years hardly lends credibility to your argument .
Smear the messenger rather than deal with the argument. How unusual from the left!
Says someone smearing the messenger!
Errr... no. I was criticizing his post, not Mark Senior as a person.
No, you characterised Mark's behaviour as typical of someone with his political views. That was a comment about him.
That was the secondary extra point, after I had dealt with the argument. In addition, it was criticising the behaviour, not discrediting the point by saying who it came from.
So we agree that you were criticising Mark as a person.
"The scandal-hit Co-operative Bank could face a fresh customer exodus after announcing a near-20% hike in the monthly fees paid by many holders of its packaged current accounts.
The move by the bank comes days after Co-operative Energy shocked customers by announcing it was putting up its electricity prices."
"The scandal-hit Co-operative Bank could face a fresh customer exodus after announcing a near-20% hike in the monthly fees paid by many holders of its packaged current accounts.
The move by the bank comes days after Co-operative Energy shocked customers by announcing it was putting up its electricity prices."
Ed must ask for an investigation into this rise in the cost of living.
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
No doubt but if it's illegal to quote something that's in a book is it illegal to own or lend or sell the same book?
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
No doubt but if it's illegal to quote something that's in a book is it illegal to own or lend or sell the same book?
It could even be illegal to refer to its existence on the internet. You might have to hide out from the fuzz for a while.
One thing is true in all the above, and that is Nick Cohen has gone a trifle crazy and is frothing at the mouth like one infected with Rabies. Ah, I see now! Old Nick has been bitten by UKIP. LOL
How to argue like a Europhile, method #3: Smear your opponents as reactionary bigots.
Would Nick Cohen dare to use the comments by council candidates that were subsequently kicked out the party as being representative of party policy? Ugly, ugly, ugly. I'm surprised the Speccie published such a thing.
According to you the other day, I'm a Europhile. Either there's a lot of them about, or you need to readjust your radar.
I happily withdrew the allegation from you. If you're neutral on EU membership, then you're not a Europhile or a Eurosceptic. But it's fair to say that most of the establishment commentators are pro-EU.
Withdrawal noted. ;-)
Now try to convince me over to your side of the fence. I like reasoned argument, but could be bribed over if your side has a barbecue and a few beers waiting.
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
No doubt but if it's illegal to quote something that's in a book is it illegal to own or lend or sell the same book?
No.
The articles say he was arrested for harassment, so owning the books (or, I suspect, saying it in a way that didn't involve a the steps of a public building and a megaphone) wouldn't even nearly apply.
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
No doubt but if it's illegal to quote something that's in a book is it illegal to own or lend or sell the same book?
No.
The articles say he was arrested for harassment, so owning the books (or, I suspect, saying it in a way that didn't involve a the steps of a public building and a megaphone) wouldn't even nearly apply.
Good thing "harassment" is so clearly defined then.
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
No doubt but if it's illegal to quote something that's in a book is it illegal to own or lend or sell the same book?
It could even be illegal to refer to its existence on the internet. You might have to hide out from the fuzz for a while.
This is a classic. A developer wanted to build houses, but locals objected. He then applied for planning permission to knock down two of the objectors' houses, despite not owning them.
One thing is true in all the above, and that is Nick Cohen has gone a trifle crazy and is frothing at the mouth like one infected with Rabies. Ah, I see now! Old Nick has been bitten by UKIP. LOL
How to argue like a Europhile, method #3: Smear your opponents as reactionary bigots.
Would Nick Cohen dare to use the comments by council candidates that were subsequently kicked out the party as being representative of party policy? Ugly, ugly, ugly. I'm surprised the Speccie published such a thing.
According to you the other day, I'm a Europhile. Either there's a lot of them about, or you need to readjust your radar.
I happily withdrew the allegation from you. If you're neutral on EU membership, then you're not a Europhile or a Eurosceptic. But it's fair to say that most of the establishment commentators are pro-EU.
Withdrawal noted. ;-)
Now try to convince me over to your side of the fence. I like reasoned argument, but could be bribed over if your side has a barbecue and a few beers waiting.
It is the subliminal message of UKIP that if we weren't paying for all that EU guff, you could buy a pint with the cash you've saved...
Beer is good. Nigel drinks beer. Therefore Nigel is good.
One thing is true in all the above, and that is Nick Cohen has gone a trifle crazy and is frothing at the mouth like one infected with Rabies. Ah, I see now! Old Nick has been bitten by UKIP. LOL
How to argue like a Europhile, method #3: Smear your opponents as reactionary bigots.
Would Nick Cohen dare to use the comments by council candidates that were subsequently kicked out the party as being representative of party policy? Ugly, ugly, ugly. I'm surprised the Speccie published such a thing.
According to you the other day, I'm a Europhile. Either there's a lot of them about, or you need to readjust your radar.
I happily withdrew the allegation from you. If you're neutral on EU membership, then you're not a Europhile or a Eurosceptic. But it's fair to say that most of the establishment commentators are pro-EU.
Withdrawal noted. ;-)
Now try to convince me over to your side of the fence. I like reasoned argument, but could be bribed over if your side has a barbecue and a few beers waiting.
It is the subliminal message of UKIP that if we weren't paying for all that EU guff, you could buy a pint with the cash you've saved...
Beer is good. Nigel drinks beer. Therefore Nigel is good.
That logic is fairly unarguable. But what type of beer? A heavy stout, a pint of mild or some fizzy sub-lager?
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
No doubt but if it's illegal to quote something that's in a book is it illegal to own or lend or sell the same book?
It could even be illegal to refer to its existence on the internet. You might have to hide out from the fuzz for a while.
No hiding from the NSA.
I tried out Popcorn Time last night, have to say it was excellent. The trouble complained that I was throttling her iplayer program she wanted to watch though so stopped watching.
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
No doubt but if it's illegal to quote something that's in a book is it illegal to own or lend or sell the same book?
No.
The articles say he was arrested for harassment, so owning the books (or, I suspect, saying it in a way that didn't involve a the steps of a public building and a megaphone) wouldn't even nearly apply.
He was also arrested for inciting religious hatred. Which is insane. And no, views should not be illegal because others find them "repulsive".
One thing is true in all the above, and that is Nick Cohen has gone a trifle crazy and is frothing at the mouth like one infected with Rabies. Ah, I see now! Old Nick has been bitten by UKIP. LOL
How to argue like a Europhile, method #3: Smear your opponents as reactionary bigots.
Would Nick Cohen dare to use the comments by council candidates that were subsequently kicked out the party as being representative of party policy? Ugly, ugly, ugly. I'm surprised the Speccie published such a thing.
According to you the other day, I'm a Europhile. Either there's a lot of them about, or you need to readjust your radar.
I happily withdrew the allegation from you. If you're neutral on EU membership, then you're not a Europhile or a Eurosceptic. But it's fair to say that most of the establishment commentators are pro-EU.
Withdrawal noted. ;-)
Now try to convince me over to your side of the fence. I like reasoned argument, but could be bribed over if your side has a barbecue and a few beers waiting.
You're more likely to get a flaming cross and pitchforks from the Kippers!
I tried out Popcorn Time last night, have to say it was excellent. The trouble complained that I was throttling her iplayer program she wanted to watch though so stopped watching.
Ah, found it in the Mail, the only newspaper with the credibility to actually report what happens - even the Telegraph was too cowardly:
"Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'"
Are these views encouraging anyone to hate Muslims, or to be violent against them? No, it was simple criticism of Islam. And this will now get you arrested in the UK.
Quoting from the newspaper that has supported Fascism for over 80 years hardly lends credibility to your argument .
Smear the messenger rather than deal with the argument. How unusual from the left!
Says someone smearing the messenger!
Errr... no. I was criticizing his post, not Mark Senior as a person.
No, you characterised Mark's behaviour as typical of someone with his political views. That was a comment about him.
That was the secondary extra point, after I had dealt with the argument. In addition, it was criticising the behaviour, not discrediting the point by saying who it came from.
So we agree that you were criticising Mark as a person.
No, it wasn't. It was criticizing the behaviour in his post, and then, as a secondary point, saying it was systematic of left-wing people generally.
Anyway, this is a dull argument and just distracting from the important point here. The Muslim lobby in the UK has managed to make it impossible to criticize Islam in a public place without getting arrested. This is a big step backwards for free speech, and we will only have more of these backwards steps if we keep importing people with undemocratic views.
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
No doubt but if it's illegal to quote something that's in a book is it illegal to own or lend or sell the same book?
No.
The articles say he was arrested for harassment, so owning the books (or, I suspect, saying it in a way that didn't involve a the steps of a public building and a megaphone) wouldn't even nearly apply.
Of course, we do not even know what he did to get arrested. There was a very long conversation between Weston and the police before he was taken away - 40 minutes apparently. Why bother with that if all you are there to do is to arrest someone for reading passages from a book?
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
No doubt but if it's illegal to quote something that's in a book is it illegal to own or lend or sell the same book?
No.
The articles say he was arrested for harassment, so owning the books (or, I suspect, saying it in a way that didn't involve a the steps of a public building and a megaphone) wouldn't even nearly apply.
He was also arrested for inciting religious hatred. Which is insane. And no, views should not be illegal because others find them "repulsive".
Source? Because the two links provided all list harassment and make no mention of inciting hatred.
(And with harassment it's not the views themselves that are illegal but how he expressed them).
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
Care to give some examples?
Mind you, the fact that some now would find offensive something that was not in the least offensive at the time it was said is hardly surprising. By the same token what would once have been impossible to say in polite society is now regarded as normal. Society changes and so not a problem until someone starts judging historical characters by the standards of today, then it tends to get silly.
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
No doubt but if it's illegal to quote something that's in a book is it illegal to own or lend or sell the same book?
No.
The articles say he was arrested for harassment, so owning the books (or, I suspect, saying it in a way that didn't involve a the steps of a public building and a megaphone) wouldn't even nearly apply.
He was also arrested for inciting religious hatred. Which is insane. And no, views should not be illegal because others find them "repulsive".
Source? Because the two links provided all list harassment and make no mention of inciting hatred.
(And with harassment it's not the views themselves that are illegal but how he expressed them).
Having looked again, I was wrong. It was indeed harassment rather than hatred. So on the harassment charge, what was "harassing" about them? Because not one of the media reports mention anything about him going after individuals. He made a speech from outside the guildhall.
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
Care to give some examples?
Mind you, the fact that some now would find offensive something that was not in the least offensive at the time it was said is hardly surprising. By the same token what would once have been impossible to say in polite society is now regarded as normal. Society changes and so not a problem until someone starts judging historical characters by the standards of today, then it tends to get silly.
Eugenics is the famous one (and not just for Churchill, you can tick off a list of the great and good from a particular era on that count).
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
Care to give some examples?
Mind you, the fact that some now would find offensive something that was not in the least offensive at the time it was said is hardly surprising. By the same token what would once have been impossible to say in polite society is now regarded as normal. Society changes and so not a problem until someone starts judging historical characters by the standards of today, then it tends to get silly.
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
No doubt but if it's illegal to quote something that's in a book is it illegal to own or lend or sell the same book?
No.
The articles say he was arrested for harassment, so owning the books (or, I suspect, saying it in a way that didn't involve a the steps of a public building and a megaphone) wouldn't even nearly apply.
Of course, we do not even know what he did to get arrested. There was a very long conversation between Weston and the police before he was taken away - 40 minutes apparently. Why bother with that if all you are there to do is to arrest someone for reading passages from a book?
Because the aim is to stifle certain views being spoken, not to arrest people. Presumably they tried to maximise pressure on him to stop expressing those views, as the police did with that T-shirt seller. If he had agreed, the talking to would have sufficed. As he didn't, they needed to arrest him.
One thing is true in all the above, and that is Nick Cohen has gone a trifle crazy and is frothing at the mouth like one infected with Rabies. Ah, I see now! Old Nick has been bitten by UKIP. LOL
How to argue like a Europhile, method #3: Smear your opponents as reactionary bigots.
Would Nick Cohen dare to use the comments by council candidates that were subsequently kicked out the party as being representative of party policy? Ugly, ugly, ugly. I'm surprised the Speccie published such a thing.
According to you the other day, I'm a Europhile. Either there's a lot of them about, or you need to readjust your radar.
I happily withdrew the allegation from you. If you're neutral on EU membership, then you're not a Europhile or a Eurosceptic. But it's fair to say that most of the establishment commentators are pro-EU.
Withdrawal noted. ;-)
Now try to convince me over to your side of the fence. I like reasoned argument, but could be bribed over if your side has a barbecue and a few beers waiting.
It is the subliminal message of UKIP that if we weren't paying for all that EU guff, you could buy a pint with the cash you've saved...
Beer is good. Nigel drinks beer. Therefore Nigel is good.
That logic is fairly unarguable. But what type of beer? A heavy stout, a pint of mild or some fizzy sub-lager?
Oh, come on , Mr. Jessop! When has Farage ever been photographed with a beer in his hand when that beer was not obviously a pint of good English real ale. There have been so many pictures of him with a pint of London Pride that I began to wonder if he was being sponsored by Fuller Smith and Turner (not that I would blame him, a well kept 'Pride is one of the finest drinks on the planet and probably proof that God exists).
How absurd a position have we got to in modern Britain that, when a man gets arrested for quoting a book by Winston Churchill, the media doesn't report the actual quote that caused the arrest:
Certain opinions are now completely off limits to us. Media outlets who don't agree with them aren't even allowed to reproduce them, in case us plebeians take them to heart. And claims liberals in government don't give a damn about it.
Maybe it's just a matter of good taste not to report the quote? Not exactly Churchill's finest hour.
One thing is true in all the above, and that is Nick Cohen has gone a trifle crazy and is frothing at the mouth like one infected with Rabies. Ah, I see now! Old Nick has been bitten by UKIP. LOL
How to argue like a Europhile, method #3: Smear your opponents as reactionary bigots.
Would Nick Cohen dare to use the comments by council candidates that were subsequently kicked out the party as being representative of party policy? Ugly, ugly, ugly. I'm surprised the Speccie published such a thing.
According to you the other day, I'm a Europhile. Either there's a lot of them about, or you need to readjust your radar.
I happily withdrew the allegation from you. If you're neutral on EU membership, then you're not a Europhile or a Eurosceptic. But it's fair to say that most of the establishment commentators are pro-EU.
Withdrawal noted. ;-)
Now try to convince me over to your side of the fence. I like reasoned argument, but could be bribed over if your side has a barbecue and a few beers waiting.
It is the subliminal message of UKIP that if we weren't paying for all that EU guff, you could buy a pint with the cash you've saved...
Beer is good. Nigel drinks beer. Therefore Nigel is good.
That logic is fairly unarguable. But what type of beer? A heavy stout, a pint of mild or some fizzy sub-lager?
Oh, come on , Mr. Jessop! When has Farage ever been photographed with a beer in his hand when that beer was not obviously a pint of good English real ale. There have been so many pictures of him with a pint of London Pride that I began to wonder if he was being sponsored by Fuller Smith and Turner (not that I would blame him, a well kept 'Pride is one of the finest drinks on the planet and probably proof that God exists).
I know your dislike for Cameron is legendary on here, but at least he's been seen with a pint in his hand. If that's the case, your dislike for the pint-less Miliband must be epic?
Besides, I was born in South Derbyshire, so it must be a pint of Bass for me. Or if I'm in the Peaks, a bottle of the sublime Old Tom:
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
Care to give some examples?
Mind you, the fact that some now would find offensive something that was not in the least offensive at the time it was said is hardly surprising. By the same token what would once have been impossible to say in polite society is now regarded as normal. Society changes and so not a problem until someone starts judging historical characters by the standards of today, then it tends to get silly.
Eugenics is the famous one (and not just for Churchill, you can tick off a list of the great and good from a particular era on that count).
"It is, thank heaven, difficult if not impossible for the modern European to fully appreciate the force which fanaticism exercises among an ignorant, warlike and Oriental population."
"I propose that 100,000 degenerate Britons should be forcibly sterilized and others put in labour camps to halt the decline of the British race."
"There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd) or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing."
Those are just grabbed off Wikiquote in a couple of minutes.
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
Care to give some examples?
Mind you, the fact that some now would find offensive something that was not in the least offensive at the time it was said is hardly surprising. By the same token what would once have been impossible to say in polite society is now regarded as normal. Society changes and so not a problem until someone starts judging historical characters by the standards of today, then it tends to get silly.
Eugenics is the famous one (and not just for Churchill, you can tick off a list of the great and good from a particular era on that count).
"It is, thank heaven, difficult if not impossible for the modern European to fully appreciate the force which fanaticism exercises among an ignorant, warlike and Oriental population."
"I propose that 100,000 degenerate Britons should be forcibly sterilized and others put in labour camps to halt the decline of the British race."
"There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd) or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing."
Those are just grabbed off Wikiquote in a couple of minutes.
The first quote was pretty accurate vis a vis Japan at the time.
@Socrates - "The Muslim lobby in the UK has managed to make it impossible to criticize Islam in a public place without getting arrested."
Is this really true?
Obviously not, otherwise Richard Dawkins would be in Wormwood Scrubs.
That said, the last government left a truly awful situation regarding free speech. The present government - comprising two parties which allegedly prize civil liberties, it's worth noting - has done little to reverse matters. The only positive (and ultimately futile) move made by the Tories on this front was to oppose regulation of the press.
The first quote was pretty accurate vis a vis Japan at the time.
I'm not judging them or questioning context, just saying that there are indeed numerous quotes of his that would be very jarring if repeated today. I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to be repeated, mind. Just answering the question asked above about what sort of quotes might cause offence.
Let's be honest, that it's a Churchill quote doesn't guarantee much. At various times Churchill said/supported things that we'd now find utterly repulsive.
No doubt but if it's illegal to quote something that's in a book is it illegal to own or lend or sell the same book?
No.
The articles say he was arrested for harassment, so owning the books (or, I suspect, saying it in a way that didn't involve a the steps of a public building and a megaphone) wouldn't even nearly apply.
He was also arrested for inciting religious hatred. Which is insane. And no, views should not be illegal because others find them "repulsive".
Source? Because the two links provided all list harassment and make no mention of inciting hatred.
(And with harassment it's not the views themselves that are illegal but how he expressed them).
Having looked again, I was wrong. It was indeed harassment rather than hatred. So on the harassment charge, what was "harassing" about them? Because not one of the media reports mention anything about him going after individuals. He made a speech from outside the guildhall.
Behaviour that is disorderly, offensive, insulting, and/or something something. Doesn't have to be directed at individuals, impossible to commit in your home. Or something.
(Warning, my hasty recollections of what harassment is should not be taken as legal advice).
One thing is true in all the above, and that is Nick Cohen has gone a trifle crazy and is frothing at the mouth like one infected with Rabies. Ah, I see now! Old Nick has been bitten by UKIP. LOL
How to argue like a Europhile, method #3: Smear your opponents as reactionary bigots.
Would Nick Cohen dare to use the comments by council candidates that were subsequently kicked out the party as being representative of party policy? Ugly, ugly, ugly. I'm surprised the Speccie published such a thing.
According to you the other day, I'm a Europhile. Either there's a lot of them about, or you need to readjust your radar.
I happily withdrew the allegation from you. If you're neutral on EU membership, then you're not a Europhile or a Eurosceptic. But it's fair to say that most of the establishment commentators are pro-EU.
Withdrawal noted. ;-)
Now try to convince me over to your side of the fence. I like reasoned argument, but could be bribed over if your side has a barbecue and a few beers waiting.
It is the subliminal message of UKIP that if we weren't paying for all that EU guff, you could buy a pint with the cash you've saved...
Beer is good. Nigel drinks beer. Therefore Nigel is good.
That logic is fairly unarguable. But what type of beer? A heavy stout, a pint of mild or some fizzy sub-lager?
Oh, come on , Mr. Jessop! When has Farage ever been photographed with a beer in his hand when that beer was not obviously a pint of good English real ale. There have been so many pictures of him with a pint of London Pride that I began to wonder if he was being sponsored by Fuller Smith and Turner (not that I would blame him, a well kept 'Pride is one of the finest drinks on the planet and probably proof that God exists).
If he hopes to win in the South-West surely he needs to go for some cider.
On the 5 (plus) year olds in nappies thing - the report this morning suggested that it seems to be more of a problem re middle class families where both parents work. I'd say the same from my experience/what I've heard from primary colleagues.
The first quote was pretty accurate vis a vis Japan at the time.
Actually it was a quote about Islam from a book about the reconquest of Sudan (which coincidentally my great grandfather took part in). Japan were 'our guys' for another 30 years or so.
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Awful to hear about the tragedy at Corpus Christi school in Leeds. Our thoughts are with family & friends of the teacher who has died.
The report says the churchill quotation was in the speech made by this gentleman, but it didn't say what else was in the speech.
"Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614834/Arrested-quoting-Winston-Churchill-European-election-candidate-accused-religious-racial-harassment-repeats-wartime-prime-ministers-words-Islam-campaign-speech.html
Are these views encouraging anyone to hate Muslims, or to be violent against them? No, it was simple criticism of Islam. And this will now get you arrested in the UK.
It's such a stupid thing to say for a senior politician though. Waterboarding on the US mainland would violate goodness knows how many bits of the constitution. It would never happen, even if there was a government barbaric enough to entertain such a thing.
Hopefully this EDL-supporting schmuck wont get too much coverage on the back of it though.
The main thrust of them was that despite all the publicity etc the betting markets hadn't moved in UKIPs favour
William Hills worst price in the market (4/7) on UKIP not to win a seat was quoted.. now 4/6
Ladbrokes worst price in the market for Labour to win the Euros (EVS) was also quoted.. that's now drifted to 11/10
UKIP were 5/4 with Ladbrokes at the time
Now 10/11
Just seen that Hills are 7/4 UKIP to outpoll the LibDems in GE2015
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/g/348570/Specials.html
Crazy price. If you can get on with Hills, you'd be mad to miss it
& a comment ban
Will Nigel Farage be weighing in to support this man's right to repeat Churchill's criticisms of Islam in public?
Bet he doesn't.
Is it UKIP policy to allow complete freedom of speech for Nazi sympathiser, Islamist demagogue and religious homophobe alike. Say what you want to who you want where you want without let or hindrance??
Bet it isn't.
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/apr/28/co-op-bank-20-percent-current-account-rise
"The scandal-hit Co-operative Bank could face a fresh customer exodus after announcing a near-20% hike in the monthly fees paid by many holders of its packaged current accounts.
The move by the bank comes days after Co-operative Energy shocked customers by announcing it was putting up its electricity prices."
Now try to convince me over to your side of the fence. I like reasoned argument, but could be bribed over if your side has a barbecue and a few beers waiting.
The articles say he was arrested for harassment, so owning the books (or, I suspect, saying it in a way that didn't involve a the steps of a public building and a megaphone) wouldn't even nearly apply.
888 and Unibet 13/10 UKIP win at least one seat
Free money.
Fill yer boots
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/ukip-to-win-a-seat
This is a classic. A developer wanted to build houses, but locals objected. He then applied for planning permission to knock down two of the objectors' houses, despite not owning them.
http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/rbnews/11098549.Developer_withdraws_application_to_demolish_opponents__homes/
Beer is good. Nigel drinks beer. Therefore Nigel is good.
EVS not to win a seat w Lads
13/10 to win a seat w 888/Unibet
apols!
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/ukip-to-win-a-seat
Ed Balls.
'Ed must ask for an investigation into this rise in the cost of living.'
Surely a full public inquiry,this is his model bank.
Is that UKIP policy?
Anyway, this is a dull argument and just distracting from the important point here. The Muslim lobby in the UK has managed to make it impossible to criticize Islam in a public place without getting arrested. This is a big step backwards for free speech, and we will only have more of these backwards steps if we keep importing people with undemocratic views.
UKIP supporter expresses a view on a message board...
Torches are switched on...
"IS THAT UKIP POLICY??"
"CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT IN MINUTE DETAIL???"
(And with harassment it's not the views themselves that are illegal but how he expressed them).
Mind you, the fact that some now would find offensive something that was not in the least offensive at the time it was said is hardly surprising. By the same token what would once have been impossible to say in polite society is now regarded as normal. Society changes and so not a problem until someone starts judging historical characters by the standards of today, then it tends to get silly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwz6B8BFkb4
Is this really true?
Everyone knows UKIP don't have any policies.
It is one of his best ideas ever.
One thing is for sure - come General Election 2015 I will have alot of cash coming back into my bank !
Whether I make a profit is another matter though hopefully I will...
Besides, I was born in South Derbyshire, so it must be a pint of Bass for me. Or if I'm in the Peaks, a bottle of the sublime Old Tom:
http://www.oldtombeer.co.uk/
"I propose that 100,000 degenerate Britons should be forcibly sterilized and others put in labour camps to halt the decline of the British race."
"There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd) or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing."
Those are just grabbed off Wikiquote in a couple of minutes.
That said, the last government left a truly awful situation regarding free speech. The present government - comprising two parties which allegedly prize civil liberties, it's worth noting - has done little to reverse matters. The only positive (and ultimately futile) move made by the Tories on this front was to oppose regulation of the press.
(Warning, my hasty recollections of what harassment is should not be taken as legal advice).
http://www.learningspy.co.uk/featured/progressively-worse-review/
http://pragmaticreform.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/when-teachers-stopped-teaching/
On the 5 (plus) year olds in nappies thing - the report this morning suggested that it seems to be more of a problem re middle class families where both parents work. I'd say the same from my experience/what I've heard from primary colleagues.