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edited April 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Tonight’s Opinium online poll for the Observer sees the gap getting closer.

After yesterday’s Populus poll which had both CON and LAB on 35% each the latest online poll from Opinium for the Observer sees a change from a 6% lead to a 2% one in the past fortnight.

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  • Sleazy broken Labour on the slide
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    EdM's 35% strategy always felt too ambitious. Sub 30% GE looking likely.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Looks like the LDs are heading for a grim night in the local elections.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    All MOE stuff - Any more polls expected this weekend?
  • All MOE stuff - Any more polls expected this weekend?

    Just YouGov I think.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    edited April 2014
    Rod (last thread) Sorry, Callaghan represented a Welsh seat only. Macdonald was Labour PM until 1931 and then led the National Government. As for 18% UKIP, bear in mind that is more than the LDs got in 1997, and almost the same as they got in 2001. On this poll Labour is polling what Kinnock got in '92, the Tories what Howard got in 2005, the LDs less than Steel got in '79
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    @HYUFD, re AfD and FN again...

    The FN may have recently softened their tone on homosexuality, but could you imagine Farage having made some of the comments that were made in the past? Ultimately, FN is a populist party. One would struggle, for example, to think of the CEO of even a small French company who would publicly support the FN.

    I think the AfD is very different. It is a eurosceptic pro-business party, whose major issue with the EU is excessive regulation, and is largely opposed to the Euro on the basis that the German taxpayer is on the hook for profligate Greeks.

    It is quite possible the the FN - at some point - wins the French presidency. But that would be a disaster for France. Not because of its EU-scepticism, but because the biggest problem France suffers from is an overly activist government that interferes with every part of the economy, and that results in excessive regulation, excessive taxation, and excessive spending. The FN might interfere differently in the French economy, but it would still interfere excessively and expensively.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624

    Looks like the LDs are heading for a grim night in the local elections.

    I think it'll be fascinating to see how well they do in the London boroughs...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2014
    "Given the high level of media attention that UKIP has been enjoying because of the Euros I’d have expected this to be reflected in this survey. It isn’t The 18% share is the same as it was two weeks ago."

    You mean you are surprised it has held up in the face of the front page smears from The Times and the allegations of racism from Labour MPs?

    The tweet you retweeted on the last thread highlighted the resilience of the Kippers
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited April 2014
    "Given the high level of media attention that UKIP has been enjoying because of the Euros I’d have expected this to be reflected in this survey. It isn’t The 18% share is the same as it was two weeks ago."

    Opinium's March polls gave UKIP 15%, and 16%, so UKIP are currently towards the top of their range with Opinium.

    http://news.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/political-polling-8th-april-2014

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2014
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    All MOE stuff - Any more polls expected this weekend?

    Just YouGov I think.
    Cheers TSE.

    btw, how did you resist commenting on this stupendous front cover?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl20PfeCQAAs7aA.jpg
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469

    Looks like the LDs are heading for a grim night in the local elections.

    Where they are going to get hurt in their strongholds is the fact that the Greens in places like Sutton and Kingston have put up many more candidates in many more wards than before.
    When canvassing there are many Greens who had voted Lib Dem but will go back home to their party now..
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    rcs1000 said:

    Looks like the LDs are heading for a grim night in the local elections.

    I think it'll be fascinating to see how well they do in the London boroughs...
    There are only really 3 or 4 London boroughs where they have in he past made an impact and where they could lose out massively.
    Kingston,Sutton,Richmond,Southwark and possibly. Camden
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    rcs1000 said:

    @HYUFD, re AfD and FN again...

    The FN may have recently softened their tone on homosexuality, but could you imagine Farage having made some of the comments that were made in the past? Ultimately, FN is a populist party. One would struggle, for example, to think of the CEO of even a small French company who would publicly support the FN.

    I think the AfD is very different. It is a eurosceptic pro-business party, whose major issue with the EU is excessive regulation, and is largely opposed to the Euro on the basis that the German taxpayer is on the hook for profligate Greeks.

    It is quite possible the the FN - at some point - wins the French presidency. But that would be a disaster for France. Not because of its EU-scepticism, but because the biggest problem France suffers from is an overly activist government that interferes with every part of the economy, and that results in excessive regulation, excessive taxation, and excessive spending. The FN might interfere differently in the French economy, but it would still interfere excessively and expensively.

    France is interesting. FN has a core of well-off, well-educated supporters (much more than most insurgent right wing parties) who've never reconciled themselves to France being a republic and the loss of Algeria. Their support has expanded recent among working class voters who used to vote Communist (it's hard to believe that as late as 1977, the PCF were the biggest party on the left).

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    RCS1000 Marine Le Pen is actually a much slicker, smoother, more articulate operator than Farage and FN wins a lot of small business support like UKIP. Afd may differ, but in both nations Euroscepticism is rising. Marine Le Pen would almost certainly never win the presidency, although her vote is rising, the likely next president is the new Blairite PM, Manuel Valls.



  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    I agree that euro scepticism is on the rise, I just think you should think of the AfD more as a party of the right, and the FN as a party of the left...
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    rcs1000 said:

    I agree that euro scepticism is on the rise, I just think you should think of the AfD more as a party of the right, and the FN as a party of the left...

    Do you think UKIP is a party of the left, the right or both?

  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    For most of the last three years I've thought that the 36% the cons got at the 2010 GE was going to be the high point. But there are a lot of swing voters, people who dont take much interest in day to day politics but pick up on trends and general feelings, that when we hit a GE campaign that we could see them disproportionately falling towards the party that is delivering the goods re the economy.
    40% Con i no longer think is unobtainable.....
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    @Sean_F

    In France, patriotism has always been much more acceptable than in the UK. (In that respect, it's much more like the US than the UK.) And the FN has done a great job of tapping into that, and tying that tradition (with its sole proprietor / small business owner constituency) with that of many French who feel disenfranchised.

    However, the solutions they propose (if we drift away from the EU issue for a moment) are distinctly protectionist and un-free market. Richard Tyndall and Socrates - for example - see the EU as a barrier to a free trade UK. The FN sees the EU as a barrier to a protectionist France. The idea that cutting France off from the rest of the world would solve its unemployment problems (which are rooted in policies designed to 'protect' French jobs) is laughable, and that's why I see the FN as a very different party (where Euro-scepticism is only a small piece of the platform) to either UKIP or the AfD.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624

    rcs1000 said:

    I agree that euro scepticism is on the rise, I just think you should think of the AfD more as a party of the right, and the FN as a party of the left...

    Do you think UKIP is a party of the left, the right or both?

    UKIP 2010 was free market, libertarian.
    UKIP 2015 is a much harder beast to categorise. It is socially conservative, and has elements of economic populism, but for now at least, is still a party of the right.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,387
    edited April 2014
    A question was asked the other day about whether there was site that produced pan-European predictions for the EP elections. Simon Hix (one of best in the UK for academic study of the EP) and his colleagues do do such a thing. Their predictions are published here ( http://news.electio2014.eu/category/en/ ) and the latest predictions are here ( http://news.electio2014.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/PollWatch2014-tables-23-April-2014.pdf )

    If we define those who caucus in the ECR as Eurorealist, and EFD as euroskeptic, then combined they are predicted to achieve <100 seats, which is less than 15% of the 750-strong Parliament

    If we then throw in the non-inscrits as fellow travellers, then that brings it up to 170 seats (about 23%)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    EdM's 35% strategy always felt too ambitious. Sub 30% GE looking likely.

    LOL PB Tory in need of reality pill

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    notme said:

    For most of the last three years I've thought that the 36% the cons got at the 2010 GE was going to be the high point. But there are a lot of swing voters, people who dont take much interest in day to day politics but pick up on trends and general feelings, that when we hit a GE campaign that we could see them disproportionately falling towards the party that is delivering the goods re the economy.
    40% Con i no longer think is unobtainable.....

    Agree.

    But then I would.

    But you are right; as people walk to the polling station or their pens hover over their postal vote, they will consider who is best placed to safeguard the recovery they are reading about (some of them will be feeling it; more by 2015).

    And that means 40% is achievable.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    notme said:

    For most of the last three years I've thought that the 36% the cons got at the 2010 GE was going to be the high point. But there are a lot of swing voters, people who dont take much interest in day to day politics but pick up on trends and general feelings, that when we hit a GE campaign that we could see them disproportionately falling towards the party that is delivering the goods re the economy.
    40% Con i no longer think is unobtainable.....

    The coalition has earned eudaemonic legitimacy and in a sane democracy both parties would prosper.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited April 2014

    All MOE stuff - Any more polls expected this weekend?

    Just YouGov I think.
    Cheers TSE.

    btw, how did you resist commenting on this stupendous front cover?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl20PfeCQAAs7aA.jpg
    1) I've always liked David Moyes
    2) I thought he was harshly dealt by with the sacking
    3) As a Liverpool fan I don't want to do anything hubristic
    4) I'm a nervous wreck just thinking about football these days
    5) I'm at Anfield tomorrow, whatever the result, I'm going to be a wreck and crying like a disgraced Televangelist.

    Honestly, I preferred it when we were managed by Roy Hodgson and losing to Northampton town.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    rcs1000 FN is anti gay marriage, anti immigration, nationalistic and anti EU, it is not neoliberal, but it is certainly not leftwing either
  • Given the stuff with Mike Nattras' party, now this, The Electoral Commission really are incompetent.

    Election watchdogs have apologised after a political party was allowed to use the description ‘Remember Lee Rigby’ on its ballot papers.

    The Electoral Commission has issued a public apology for the ‘mistake’ and said it had spoken to the family of the murdered soldier from Middleton to say sorry.

    Lee’s mum Lyn Rigby however blasted the commission and said she was ‘heartbroken’ that her son’s name was allowed to be used by the party for promotion.

    The watchdogs said in a statement that it had ‘only just realised the mistake’.

    The ‘Britain First’ political party, which is fielding candidates in the European Elections, was allowed to use the slogan ‘Remember Lee Rigby’ on its voting slips for next month’s polls

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/lee-rigbys-mother-outraged-after-7037042
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    UNS Lab majority of 14 on those figures.

    Dontcha just love FPTP...?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457

    Given the stuff with Mike Nattras' party, now this, The Electoral Commission really are incompetent.

    Election watchdogs have apologised after a political party was allowed to use the description ‘Remember Lee Rigby’ on its ballot papers.

    The Electoral Commission has issued a public apology for the ‘mistake’ and said it had spoken to the family of the murdered soldier from Middleton to say sorry.

    Lee’s mum Lyn Rigby however blasted the commission and said she was ‘heartbroken’ that her son’s name was allowed to be used by the party for promotion.

    The watchdogs said in a statement that it had ‘only just realised the mistake’.

    The ‘Britain First’ political party, which is fielding candidates in the European Elections, was allowed to use the slogan ‘Remember Lee Rigby’ on its voting slips for next month’s polls

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/lee-rigbys-mother-outraged-after-7037042

    Perhaps, just perhaps, someone should get sacked...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I agree that euro scepticism is on the rise, I just think you should think of the AfD more as a party of the right, and the FN as a party of the left...

    Do you think UKIP is a party of the left, the right or both?

    UKIP 2010 was free market, libertarian.
    UKIP 2015 is a much harder beast to categorise. It is socially conservative, and has elements of economic populism, but for now at least, is still a party of the right.
    I expect UKIP will end up like the Danish Peoples' Party, anti-EU, socially conservative, and centrist on economic issues.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    viewcode said:

    A question was asked the other day about whether there was site that produced pan-European predictions for the EP elections. Simon Hix (one of best in the UK for academic study of the EP) and his colleagues do do such a thing. Their predictions are published here ( http://news.electio2014.eu/category/en/ ) and the latest predictions are here ( http://news.electio2014.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/PollWatch2014-tables-23-April-2014.pdf )

    If we define those who caucus in the ECR as Eurorealist, and EFD as euroskeptic, then combined they are predicted to achieve <100 seats, which is less than 15% of the 750-strong Parliament

    If we then throw in the non-inscrits as fellow travellers, then that brings it up to 170 seats (about 23%)</p>

    Really, ECR and EFD should caucus together, but I imagine rivalry between UKIP and Conservatives would make that impossible.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    SeanF UKIP wants a 29% flat tax, even deeper spending cuts than the Coalition with no ringfencing and to limit maternity and paternity leave and merge incapacity benefit with JSA. That is not economically centrist
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Opinium
    34 plus 7 rump Lib Dems..... They better hope the slide halts, there won't be any red liberals left to help in the marginals, or here will and Labour will be under 30 with Libs back up to a mighty 12 or 13
    Politics is broken
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    @HYUFD:

    The FN policy is that government should be responsible for the provision of energy, transport, and banking services.

    It also believes that competition from foreign companies destroys the jobs of French workers.

    Those economic policies could have come out of the 1983 Labour manifesto.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    He says he represents "ordinary people". But he is a public school-educated former banker, whose policies will help him and his kind. He claims he is the voice of "common sense", while allying with every variety of gay-hater, conspiracy crackpot, racist, chauvinist and pillock. The only sense he and his followers have in common is a fear of anyone who is not like them.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/26/nigel-farage-phoney-scrutinise-him-ukip
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    PR^2 would give something like

    Lab 276
    Con 254
    UKIP 80
    LD 12
    Nats 10
    NI 18

    Con-UKIP coalition?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    HYUFD said:

    SeanF UKIP wants a 29% flat tax, even deeper spending cuts than the Coalition with no ringfencing and to limit maternity and paternity leave and merge incapacity benefit with JSA. That is not economically centrist

    Not now. I'm saying where they'll probably end up. Ultimately, ex-Labour, and ex-Lib Dem members will have an impact.

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Scott_P said:

    He says he represents "ordinary people". But he is a public school-educated former banker, whose policies will help him and his kind. He claims he is the voice of "common sense", while allying with every variety of gay-hater, conspiracy crackpot, racist, chauvinist and pillock. The only sense he and his followers have in common is a fear of anyone who is not like them.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/26/nigel-farage-phoney-scrutinise-him-ukip

    Is that the same Nick Cohen who was a cheerleader for the Iraq War based on the crackpot WMD's conspiracy theory?

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    SeanF Maybe, we shall see
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanF UKIP wants a 29% flat tax, even deeper spending cuts than the Coalition with no ringfencing and to limit maternity and paternity leave and merge incapacity benefit with JSA. That is not economically centrist

    Not now. I'm saying where they'll probably end up. Ultimately, ex-Labour, and ex-Lib Dem members will have an impact.

    If we leave the EU, do you think there is enough of a constituency left to hold UKIP together?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624

    Scott_P said:

    He says he represents "ordinary people". But he is a public school-educated former banker, whose policies will help him and his kind. He claims he is the voice of "common sense", while allying with every variety of gay-hater, conspiracy crackpot, racist, chauvinist and pillock. The only sense he and his followers have in common is a fear of anyone who is not like them.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/26/nigel-farage-phoney-scrutinise-him-ukip
    Is that the same Nick Cohen who was a cheerleader for the Iraq War based on the crackpot WMD's conspiracy theory?



    I think he was more a cheerleader for the Iraq war on the basis that it should be the policy of the West to go around invading countries whose leaders we didn't like...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    RCS100 Well government is responsible for much of banking services in the UK now for the likes of RBS and our trains were nationalised until the nineties even under Thatcher, Joseph Chamberlain was a protectionist, that platform is hardly Das Kapital. Labour 1983 was also pro immigration, anti nationalist and pro increased gay rights, unlike FN!
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Ed Balls, like me, is a Norwich fan.

    Insert your own joke.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    Scott_P said:

    He says he represents "ordinary people". But he is a public school-educated former banker, whose policies will help him and his kind. He claims he is the voice of "common sense", while allying with every variety of gay-hater, conspiracy crackpot, racist, chauvinist and pillock. The only sense he and his followers have in common is a fear of anyone who is not like them.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/26/nigel-farage-phoney-scrutinise-him-ukip

    This reminds me of how the Guardian promised the terrors of the earth if Boris Johnson got elected as Mayor of London. You can only cry wolf so often.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanF UKIP wants a 29% flat tax, even deeper spending cuts than the Coalition with no ringfencing and to limit maternity and paternity leave and merge incapacity benefit with JSA. That is not economically centrist

    Not now. I'm saying where they'll probably end up. Ultimately, ex-Labour, and ex-Lib Dem members will have an impact.

    If we leave the EU, do you think there is enough of a constituency left to hold UKIP together?
    I think so, but politics might be radically different if we left the EU.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited April 2014
    Grandiose said:

    Ed Balls, like me, is a Norwich fan.

    Insert your own joke.

    Ironic ain't it?

    In a match between Manchester United and Norwich, and it is the Manchester United manager who is (in)famous for sleeping with a member of his own family.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,387
    Sean_F said:

    viewcode said:

    A question was asked the other day about whether there was site that produced pan-European predictions for the EP elections. Simon Hix (one of best in the UK for academic study of the EP) and his colleagues do do such a thing. Their predictions are published here ( http://news.electio2014.eu/category/en/ ) and the latest predictions are here ( http://news.electio2014.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/PollWatch2014-tables-23-April-2014.pdf )

    If we define those who caucus in the ECR as Eurorealist, and EFD as euroskeptic, then combined they are predicted to achieve <100 seats, which is less than 15% of the 750-strong Parliament

    If we then throw in the non-inscrits as fellow travellers, then that brings it up to 170 seats (about 23%)</p>

    Really, ECR and EFD should caucus together, but I imagine rivalry between UKIP and Conservatives would make that impossible.
    They would certainly achieve more if they did, but I'm not sure they would agree on what constituted an achievement.

  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    edited April 2014

    "Given the high level of media attention that UKIP has been enjoying because of the Euros I’d have expected this to be reflected in this survey. It isn’t The 18% share is the same as it was two weeks ago."

    Opinium's March polls gave UKIP 15%, and 16%, so UKIP are currently towards the top of their range with Opinium.

    Two weeks ago, we had relatively recently had the second Farage/Clegg debate, so the level of publicity was already high.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited April 2014
    Floater said:
    Isn't Lenny Henry from the Black Country?

    Oh A Black Country
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Floater said:
    Looks like Mr Cameron made at least one good call. 'Too many tweets, make a twat.'

  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    "Given the high level of media attention that UKIP has been enjoying because of the Euros I’d have expected this to be reflected in this survey. It isn’t The 18% share is the same as it was two weeks ago."

    Opinium's March polls gave UKIP 15%, and 16%, so UKIP are currently towards the top of their range with Opinium.

    Two weeks ago, we had relatively recently had the second Farage/Clegg debate, so the level of publicity was already high.

    I was a bit surprised at UKIP's lack of progress in the recent Wales EU Parliament poll, very little change since February.

    But then looking at it, they'd already surged between Dec 2013 and Feb 2014.

    2009 result: 12.8%
    2013 dec poll: 13%
    2014 feb poll: 18%
    2014 apr poll: 20%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)#Welsh_polls
  • Whomever UKIP hired to vet their candidates is doing a brilliant job.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:

    He says he represents "ordinary people". But he is a public school-educated former banker, whose policies will help him and his kind. He claims he is the voice of "common sense", while allying with every variety of gay-hater, conspiracy crackpot, racist, chauvinist and pillock. The only sense he and his followers have in common is a fear of anyone who is not like them.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/26/nigel-farage-phoney-scrutinise-him-ukip
    Is that the same Nick Cohen who was a cheerleader for the Iraq War based on the crackpot WMD's conspiracy theory?

    I think he was more a cheerleader for the Iraq war on the basis that it should be the policy of the West to go around invading countries whose leaders we didn't like...

    correction. ...countries whose leaders Israel didn't like...
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Whomever UKIP hired to vet their candidates is doing a brilliant job.

    I suppose you agreed with the Luis Suarez witch-hunt.

  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    How's that 'Party of In' campaign going on the doorstep? Lots of pro-LD polish voters?
  • EastwingerEastwinger Posts: 354
    Grandiose said:

    Ed Balls, like me, is a Norwich fan.

    Insert your own joke.

    The only joke was sticking with Chris Hughton for far too long.

  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Scott_P said:

    He says he represents "ordinary people". But he is a public school-educated former banker, whose policies will help him and his kind. He claims he is the voice of "common sense", while allying with every variety of gay-hater, conspiracy crackpot, racist, chauvinist and pillock. The only sense he and his followers have in common is a fear of anyone who is not like them.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/26/nigel-farage-phoney-scrutinise-him-ukip

    Fiddle with the details of a couple of insults in there and you've got Tony Benn instead.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I have been rather too busy to do formal canvassing, but no one that I have discussed the elections with at the hospital is voting UKIP. Not even my recent Greek, Romanian and Bulgarian colleagues.

    How's that 'Party of In' campaign going on the doorstep? Lots of pro-LD polish voters?
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    "Given the high level of media attention that UKIP has been enjoying because of the Euros I’d have expected this to be reflected in this survey. It isn’t The 18% share is the same as it was two weeks ago."

    Opinium's March polls gave UKIP 15%, and 16%, so UKIP are currently towards the top of their range with Opinium.

    Two weeks ago, we had relatively recently had the second Farage/Clegg debate, so the level of publicity was already high.

    I was a bit surprised at UKIP's lack of progress in the recent Wales EU Parliament poll, very little change since February.

    But then looking at it, they'd already surged between Dec 2013 and Feb 2014.

    2009 result: 12.8%
    2013 dec poll: 13%
    2014 feb poll: 18%
    2014 apr poll: 20%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)#Welsh_polls

    "Given the high level of media attention that UKIP has been enjoying because of the Euros I’d have expected this to be reflected in this survey. It isn’t The 18% share is the same as it was two weeks ago."

    Opinium's March polls gave UKIP 15%, and 16%, so UKIP are currently towards the top of their range with Opinium.

    Two weeks ago, we had relatively recently had the second Farage/Clegg debate, so the level of publicity was already high.

    I was a bit surprised at UKIP's lack of progress in the recent Wales EU Parliament poll, very little change since February.

    But then looking at it, they'd already surged between Dec 2013 and Feb 2014.

    2009 result: 12.8%
    2013 dec poll: 13%
    2014 feb poll: 18%
    2014 apr poll: 20%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)#Welsh_polls
    Last year Opinium had UKIP at 21%

  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    I have been rather too busy to do formal canvassing, but no one that I have discussed the elections with at the hospital is voting UKIP. Not even my recent Greek, Romanian and Bulgarian colleagues.



    How's that 'Party of In' campaign going on the doorstep? Lots of pro-LD polish voters?
    Well, the polls are probably wrong then. Phew!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,682
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanF UKIP wants a 29% flat tax, even deeper spending cuts than the Coalition with no ringfencing and to limit maternity and paternity leave and merge incapacity benefit with JSA. That is not economically centrist

    Not now. I'm saying where they'll probably end up. Ultimately, ex-Labour, and ex-Lib Dem members will have an impact.

    If we leave the EU, do you think there is enough of a constituency left to hold UKIP together?
    No. Not in their current form. If they could evolve into a genuinely Libertarian party then they would have a small but significant constituency but the current confused mix of socially loberal and socially conservative vies is simply not going to be sustainable in the long term without the single important issue of the EU to act as glue.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2014
    From a Guardian interview with Farage:
    "People hate talking about this, but if you look at the Met crime figures for Romanian arrests, there have been 28,000 in London in the last five years. Is there a problem? Yeah. There is a problem." Is he saying there is a culture of criminality among Romanians? "Bound to be. You have to go and see it to understand it. I've visited camps in Romania and Bulgaria, I've got a pretty good understanding." Should British people be wary of Romanian families moving into their street? "Well, of course, yeah."
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/25/nigel-farage-ukip-european-parliament-elections

    **

    And see, that's where defenses of UKIP only being motivated by concern for working-class people falls down. I'm a leftie who's in favour of strict immigration controls because I do think British people getting jobs should be the priority ahead of immigrants (frankly, it's also letting the governments of those other countries off the hook, letting them off their responsibility to provide jobs for all their citizens). But saying there's a "culture of criminality" in Romania and that anyone should be scared of Romanians moving into their street is racism, pure and simple.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    I have been rather too busy to do formal canvassing, but no one that I have discussed the elections with at the hospital is voting UKIP. Not even my recent Greek, Romanian and Bulgarian colleagues.



    How's that 'Party of In' campaign going on the doorstep? Lots of pro-LD polish voters?
    Ah, but to balance that, Doc, my scientific polling method, otherwise known as talking to them up the pub, revealed that 8 out of 10 were planning to vote UKIP - the two exceptions being the chairman of the local Conservative Party Association and the Aussie barmaid who doesn't actually have a vote.
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    The area which UKIP has not clarifed is how they square support for a low tax, slimmed-down,small state and the retention of public services like the NHS many of their supporters need.UKIP's support lies mainly in the over 60s and it is true the older you get you more you need the services of the NHS.Cameron's ring-fencing of NHS spending has come under fire but it is a wise move in keeping the grey vote on board.
    UKIP must at some point clarify for its' more elderly supporters whether it accepts a health care system that is funded through general taxation and is free at the point of need which seems incompatible with"small-state" ideology.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624

    I have been rather too busy to do formal canvassing, but no one that I have discussed the elections with at the hospital is voting UKIP. Not even my recent Greek, Romanian and Bulgarian colleagues.



    How's that 'Party of In' campaign going on the doorstep? Lots of pro-LD polish voters?
    I always find myself agreeing with the doctor as I go under the scalpel!

    (Or, UKIP voters are uncommonly healthy)
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916

    How's that 'Party of In' campaign going on the doorstep? Lots of pro-LD polish voters?
    This extract says it all:
    "Indeed, meeting and speaking to the Poles who have settled here, what is striking is just how self-reliant and aspirational they are.

    Conversely, the men I see propped up in the doorway of The Shirley Hotel Pub in the midday sun, with a pint in one hand and a cigarette in the other, are British, not Polish.

    Similarly, the harassed mothers with toddlers and babies, manhandling their buggies through the doors of the local McDonald’s, are screeching at their children in English, not Polish.

    Among the Phillipses’ Polish customers is 29-year-old Pawel Krasinski, the man they fondly refer to as ‘Mr Juicy’. He is buying armfuls of carrots and celery for the cold-pressed fresh fruit and vegetable juice business he runs from his nearby home.

    ‘I came from south-west Poland seven years ago,’ he says. ‘I worked as a nutritionist there, but over here I found work with a food manufacturer and learnt everything I needed to know to set up my own food business. I could never have done that in Poland. There are better opportunities here if you are prepared to work hard.’.......

    The idea that they are taking jobs from local people is not true either. I had a big employer come to me in desperation because he needed 40 people for his work force and not one person had replied to his advert in the Job Centre.

    ‘Within two days of alerting the local community, he had 80 applications from Polish workers. They don’t undercut anyone else’s wages and they are paying their taxes.

    ‘When they first arrive, Polish people are prepared to take most jobs because they understand that they have to prove themselves.’"

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457
    Off-topic:

    For anyone who wants to know what the Heartbleed bug is/was, and why it was so dangerous, here is an excellent, albeit simplified, summary:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE5dW3BTpn4#t=339

    And a (slightly) more technical one, showing the code itself.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dOCHwf8zVQ

    Motto: always validate user input...

    It's really shocking that this bug was out in the wild for so long, and is in fact so simple and contrary to the specification. Of course, I'd never do such a thing. Ahem.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited April 2014

    "Given the high level of media attention that UKIP has been enjoying because of the Euros I’d have expected this to be reflected in this survey. It isn’t The 18% share is the same as it was two weeks ago."

    Opinium's March polls gave UKIP 15%, and 16%, so UKIP are currently towards the top of their range with Opinium.

    Two weeks ago, we had relatively recently had the second Farage/Clegg debate, so the level of publicity was already high.

    I was a bit surprised at UKIP's lack of progress in the recent Wales EU Parliament poll, very little change since February.

    But then looking at it, they'd already surged between Dec 2013 and Feb 2014.

    2009 result: 12.8%
    2013 dec poll: 13%
    2014 feb poll: 18%
    2014 apr poll: 20%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)#Welsh_polls

    "Given the high level of media attention that UKIP has been enjoying because of the Euros I’d have expected this to be reflected in this survey. It isn’t The 18% share is the same as it was two weeks ago."

    Opinium's March polls gave UKIP 15%, and 16%, so UKIP are currently towards the top of their range with Opinium.

    Two weeks ago, we had relatively recently had the second Farage/Clegg debate, so the level of publicity was already high.

    I was a bit surprised at UKIP's lack of progress in the recent Wales EU Parliament poll, very little change since February.

    But then looking at it, they'd already surged between Dec 2013 and Feb 2014.

    2009 result: 12.8%
    2013 dec poll: 13%
    2014 feb poll: 18%
    2014 apr poll: 20%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)#Welsh_polls
    Last year Opinium had UKIP at 21%

    Yes, after the May elections (31st May 2013). Their last poll before the elections (30th April 2013) was UKIP: 17%.

    So today's 18% is looking good for this year's elections!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2013
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    rcs1000 said:

    I have been rather too busy to do formal canvassing, but no one that I have discussed the elections with at the hospital is voting UKIP. Not even my recent Greek, Romanian and Bulgarian colleagues.



    How's that 'Party of In' campaign going on the doorstep? Lots of pro-LD polish voters?
    I always find myself agreeing with the doctor as I go under the scalpel!

    (Or, UKIP voters are uncommonly healthy)
    The polling shows that UKIP voters are least concerned about the NHS than any other partys supporters. Odd really given the UKIP age profile.
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Danny565 said:

    From a Guardian interview with Farage:

    "People hate talking about this, but if you look at the Met crime figures for Romanian arrests, there have been 28,000 in London in the last five years. Is there a problem? Yeah. There is a problem." Is he saying there is a culture of criminality among Romanians? "Bound to be. You have to go and see it to understand it. I've visited camps in Romania and Bulgaria, I've got a pretty good understanding." Should British people be wary of Romanian families moving into their street? "Well, of course, yeah."
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/25/nigel-farage-ukip-european-parliament-elections

    **

    And see, that's where defenses of UKIP only being motivated by concern for working-class people falls down. I'm a leftie who's in favour of strict immigration controls because I do think British people getting jobs should be the priority ahead of immigrants (frankly, it's also letting the governments of those other countries off the hook, letting them off their responsibility to provide jobs for all their citizens). But saying there's a "culture of criminality" in Romania and that anyone should be scared of Romanians moving into their street is racism, pure and simple.

    Not racist. If you visit Romania and neighbouring countries you will find a people called the Roma who prefer to live by their own laws and practices rather than those of their host nation. Italy and France have had severe problems with them recently.

  • Tories call on Boris Johnson to make up his mind over becoming MP

    Members of the 1922 committee say he should decide quickly as dithering is a distraction from the business of governing

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/26/tories-boris-johnson-becoming-mp
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited April 2014
    It seems that yesterday's poll from Populus showing the Tories and Labour tieing for the lead, closely followed by today's Opinium poll with the Tories closing Labour's 6% lead last time to just 2% in their latest findings, were both too late for inclusion in Dr Stephen Fisher's projection published today which is based on UKPR's averaging of the most recently available polls.
    Should we see another close poll over the next few days it would seem likely that Dr Fisher's next set of figures could show a marked change, largely reversing or even eliminating Labour's closing of the gap which he has been reporting over the past 4 weeks.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I do remember as a junior Dr in early 97 discussing the forthcoming election with one of the nurses while setting up a procedure on a fairly tweedy rual county set gentleman. As she prepped him and I sorted my instruments out came a hymn of praise for Arthur Scargill and his Socialist Labour policy.

    The fellow looked as if he would explode, but did manage to keep composed. The procedure went well.

    Since then I do not discuss politics in front of patients, though my colleagues know my party.
    rcs1000 said:

    I have been rather too busy to do formal canvassing, but no one that I have discussed the elections with at the hospital is voting UKIP. Not even my recent Greek, Romanian and Bulgarian colleagues.



    How's that 'Party of In' campaign going on the doorstep? Lots of pro-LD polish voters?
    I always find myself agreeing with the doctor as I go under the scalpel!

    (Or, UKIP voters are uncommonly healthy)
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    RodCrosby said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:

    He says he represents "ordinary people". But he is a public school-educated former banker, whose policies will help him and his kind. He claims he is the voice of "common sense", while allying with every variety of gay-hater, conspiracy crackpot, racist, chauvinist and pillock. The only sense he and his followers have in common is a fear of anyone who is not like them.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/26/nigel-farage-phoney-scrutinise-him-ukip
    Is that the same Nick Cohen who was a cheerleader for the Iraq War based on the crackpot WMD's conspiracy theory?

    I think he was more a cheerleader for the Iraq war on the basis that it should be the policy of the West to go around invading countries whose leaders we didn't like...
    correction. ...countries whose leaders Israel didn't like...

    Because, as we all know those pesky jooz control the world... <<sigh>>
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Yep. I think the Southampton Poles will integrate well in time. The kippers may not hold Eastleigh long...
    Financier said:

    How's that 'Party of In' campaign going on the doorstep? Lots of pro-LD polish voters?
    This extract says it all:
    "Indeed, meeting and speaking to the Poles who have settled here, what is striking is just how self-reliant and aspirational they are.

    Conversely, the men I see propped up in the doorway of The Shirley Hotel Pub in the midday sun, with a pint in one hand and a cigarette in the other, are British, not Polish.

    Similarly, the harassed mothers with toddlers and babies, manhandling their buggies through the doors of the local McDonald’s, are screeching at their children in English, not Polish.

    Among the Phillipses’ Polish customers is 29-year-old Pawel Krasinski, the man they fondly refer to as ‘Mr Juicy’. He is buying armfuls of carrots and celery for the cold-pressed fresh fruit and vegetable juice business he runs from his nearby home.

    ‘I came from south-west Poland seven years ago,’ he says. ‘I worked as a nutritionist there, but over here I found work with a food manufacturer and learnt everything I needed to know to set up my own food business. I could never have done that in Poland. There are better opportunities here if you are prepared to work hard.’.......

    The idea that they are taking jobs from local people is not true either. I had a big employer come to me in desperation because he needed 40 people for his work force and not one person had replied to his advert in the Job Centre.

    ‘Within two days of alerting the local community, he had 80 applications from Polish workers. They don’t undercut anyone else’s wages and they are paying their taxes.

    ‘When they first arrive, Polish people are prepared to take most jobs because they understand that they have to prove themselves.’"

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Financier said:

    Danny565 said:

    From a Guardian interview with Farage:

    "People hate talking about this, but if you look at the Met crime figures for Romanian arrests, there have been 28,000 in London in the last five years. Is there a problem? Yeah. There is a problem." Is he saying there is a culture of criminality among Romanians? "Bound to be. You have to go and see it to understand it. I've visited camps in Romania and Bulgaria, I've got a pretty good understanding." Should British people be wary of Romanian families moving into their street? "Well, of course, yeah."
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/25/nigel-farage-ukip-european-parliament-elections

    **

    And see, that's where defenses of UKIP only being motivated by concern for working-class people falls down. I'm a leftie who's in favour of strict immigration controls because I do think British people getting jobs should be the priority ahead of immigrants (frankly, it's also letting the governments of those other countries off the hook, letting them off their responsibility to provide jobs for all their citizens). But saying there's a "culture of criminality" in Romania and that anyone should be scared of Romanians moving into their street is racism, pure and simple.
    Not racist. If you visit Romania and neighbouring countries you will find a people called the Roma who prefer to live by their own laws and practices rather than those of their host nation. Italy and France have had severe problems with them recently.



    Manuel Valls, France's socialist PM;

    "The Roma should return to their country and be integrated over there," Mr Valls declared.
    "They should return to Romania or Bulgaria and for that the European Union, with the Bulgarian and Romanian authorities must ensure these populations are firstly integrated in their countries."
    "It's illusory to think that we can resolve the problem of the Roma population solely via insertion (into French society)," he said. "There is no other solution than dismantling these camps progressively and deporting (the Roma)."
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited April 2014

    "Given the high level of media attention that UKIP has been enjoying because of the Euros I’d have expected this to be reflected in this survey. It isn’t The 18% share is the same as it was two weeks ago."

    Opinium's March polls gave UKIP 15%, and 16%, so UKIP are currently towards the top of their range with Opinium.

    Two weeks ago, we had relatively recently had the second Farage/Clegg debate, so the level of publicity was already high.

    I was a bit surprised at UKIP's lack of progress in the recent Wales EU Parliament poll, very little change since February.

    But then looking at it, they'd already surged between Dec 2013 and Feb 2014.

    2009 result: 12.8%
    2013 dec poll: 13%
    2014 feb poll: 18%
    2014 apr poll: 20%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)#Welsh_polls

    "Given the high level of media attention that UKIP has been enjoying because of the Euros I’d have expected this to be reflected in this survey. It isn’t The 18% share is the same as it was two weeks ago."

    Opinium's March polls gave UKIP 15%, and 16%, so UKIP are currently towards the top of their range with Opinium.

    Two weeks ago, we had relatively recently had the second Farage/Clegg debate, so the level of publicity was already high.

    I was a bit surprised at UKIP's lack of progress in the recent Wales EU Parliament poll, very little change since February.

    But then looking at it, they'd already surged between Dec 2013 and Feb 2014.

    2009 result: 12.8%
    2013 dec poll: 13%
    2014 feb poll: 18%
    2014 apr poll: 20%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)#Welsh_polls
    Last year Opinium had UKIP at 21%

    Yes, after the May elections (31st May 2013). Their last poll before the elections (30th April 2013) was UKIP: 17%.

    So today's 18% is looking good for this year's elections!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2013
    Opinium 18 April 2013: Con 29%, Lab 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 17%
    Opinium 30 April 2013: Con 28%, Lab 35%, LD 9%, UKIP 17%

    Local elections 2 May 2013: Con 25%, Lab 29%, LD 13%, UKIP 22%

    Opinium 10 April 2014: Con 30%, Lab 36%, LD 7%, UKIP 18%
    Opinium 26 April 2014: Con 32%, Lab 34%, LD 7%, UKIP 18%

  • Tories call on Boris Johnson to make up his mind over becoming MP

    Members of the 1922 committee say he should decide quickly as dithering is a distraction from the business of governing

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/26/tories-boris-johnson-becoming-mp

    I can't see Boris standing for Parliament (that expression somehow now sounds rather quaint) unless and until there is a clear indication of when Dave is likely to quit the leadership - of course that could happen as early as this autumn should there be a "Yes" vote in the Scottish Indy referendum.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Independent on Sunday front page - "Will nothing sink Farage?" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/PeBCohUBfZ

  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    The difference between this election run-up period and 2013 is that UKIP has been designated a "Major party" - a move which guarantees it equal coverage with the other 3 in the broadcast media.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited April 2014

    The difference between this election run-up period and 2013 is that UKIP has been designated a "Major party" - a move which guarantees it equal coverage with the other 3 in the broadcast media.

    That's one difference.

    Others are:
    Con: polling up, Lab: same, LD: polling down, UKIP: polling up.
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    The point about UKIP,which is a new one,is that they are now a serious enough threat to warrant scrutiny of their policies,about which they are largely silent.All that can be ascertained is that Farage personally supports this low tax, small-state agenda and the previous manifesto did.This means drastic reductions in public expenditure to the effect that the fundamental principles of the NHS will inevitably go.They cannot go round saying they will increase benefits either.
    "Your health comes first" rings a few bells with this generation and maybe they just need reminding.
    There lies UKIP's achilles heel.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    The point about UKIP,which is a new one,is that they are now a serious enough threat to warrant scrutiny of their policies,about which they are largely silent.All that can be ascertained is that Farage personally supports this low tax, small-state agenda and the previous manifesto did.This means drastic reductions in public expenditure to the effect that the fundamental principles of the NHS will inevitably go.They cannot go round saying they will increase benefits either.
    "Your health comes first" rings a few bells with this generation and maybe they just need reminding.
    There lies UKIP's achilles heel.

    This is an EU Parliament election.

    All the parties will release policy proposals for the NHS, and public spending ahead of the general election.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick · 2 mins
    Sunday Times front page - "UKIP’s surge into lead rocks Tories" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/dUUp4stQp9

  • YouGov Euros poll for the Sunday TImes

    UKIP 31

    Lab 28

    Con 19
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    The point about UKIP,which is a new one,is that they are now a serious enough threat to warrant scrutiny of their policies,about which they are largely silent.All that can be ascertained is that Farage personally supports this low tax, small-state agenda and the previous manifesto did.This means drastic reductions in public expenditure to the effect that the fundamental principles of the NHS will inevitably go.They cannot go round saying they will increase benefits either.
    "Your health comes first" rings a few bells with this generation and maybe they just need reminding.
    There lies UKIP's achilles heel.

    The borderline between life and death ;
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/11/wales-england-border-nhs-line-death-cameron
    Vote Labour for a premature death.
  • UKIP in the lead for the first time.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick · 2 mins
    Sunday Times front page - "UKIP’s surge into lead rocks Tories" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/dUUp4stQp9

    EU Parliament. YouGov/Sunday Times
    Con 19%, Lab 28%, UKIP 31%

  • Changes since the YouGov euros poll for the Sun earlier on this week

    Lab minus 2, UKIP plus 4, Con minus 3
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    YouGov Euros poll for the Sunday TImes

    UKIP 31

    Lab 28

    Con 19

    Can the media please keep smearing please,it's doing a wonderful job - lol
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Off-topic:

    For anyone who wants to know what the Heartbleed bug is/was, and why it was so dangerous, here is an excellent, albeit simplified, summary:

    Motto: always validate user input...

    I liked this one

    http://www.xkcd.com/1354/
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Douglas Carswell MP ‏@DouglasCarswell ·
    @LouiseMensch: Terrific work by @sajidjavid to kill the #Leveson regulation within weeks of taking Culture job. #freepress” dude

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    UKIP in the lead for the first time.

    Somehow I feel there's a mystical link between high riders Liverpool and UKIP. Let's hope neither falter in the final furlong.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Changes since the YouGov euros poll for the Sun earlier on this week

    Lab minus 2, UKIP plus 4, Con minus 3

    Great stuff :D

    Btw Neil's tip for Tower Hamlets Mayor to retain his seat Lutfur Rahman - Shadsy has moved into 5/4 from 6/4.

    John Biggs still 4/7.
  • Lib Dems on 9% on that Euros poll
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    I've been canvassing most weeks since January and it seems that about 60% are undecided. Undecided if to vote at all; if to vote just for Euros, or just locals. No party is outstanding. UKIP is clearly the protest vote but it is impossible to kow what % they will get here in SW London. Although I have often been wrong, I feel the Tories will do better than polls and without doubt Libs will do better than polls. However Libs will be down on 2010 result and 2009 Euros if election held tomorrow. Tories might be up. Labour are not getting new votes but not losing them. I'm interested in other views.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Tories call on Boris Johnson to make up his mind over becoming MP

    Members of the 1922 committee say he should decide quickly as dithering is a distraction from the business of governing

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/26/tories-boris-johnson-becoming-mp

    I can't see Boris standing for Parliament (that expression somehow now sounds rather quaint) unless and until there is a clear indication of when Dave is likely to quit the leadership - of course that could happen as early as this autumn should there be a "Yes" vote in the Scottish Indy referendum.
    I was in Hampshire NW today. People there absolutely unenthused by the prospect of Boris as their MP. They are smart enough to realise he is a self-centred buffoon who would be a dreadful constituency MP

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    The difference between this election run-up period and 2013 is that UKIP has been designated a "Major party" - a move which guarantees it equal coverage with the other 3 in the broadcast media.

    How many MEPs does a party need to have 'major party' threshold ?
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