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  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,660
    nico67 said:

    The Commons should refuse to agree to the motion regarding the writ and say the by- election should not happen until the investigation is concluded .

    They can't. Unless they want to leave the seat vacant for the rest of the parliament.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,460
    I really hope the opposition actually decide to box Farage in and make him look pathetic .
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,350
    nico67 said:

    The opposition parties should all not stand a candidate , call the whole thing a waste of time and say they’ll wait for the investigation to report .

    Wheel out Martin Bell?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,536
    Cookie said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    boulay said:

    If the Tories had any sense they'd pick the Proddy Vicar as their candidate again.

    Isn’t Rev Ian Paisley dead?
    Different Proddy Vicar.

    Before becoming the MP for Clacton Giles Watling played the Proddy Vicar in Bread.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Watling

    The only Boswell daughter was Aveline (Gilly Coman/Melanie Hill), a colourful, enduring model who married Protestant vicar Oswald Carter (Giles Watling) at the end of series 4 (to staunchly-Catholic Nellie's outrage and who she would refer to as "The Proddy Vicar"); after trying to conceive throughout series 5, Aveline gives birth to Ursula in series 6.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_(TV_series)#Guest_appearances
    Bread was shit.
    As a 7 year old I loved it.

    'Lilo Lil. She is a tart'!
    My Granny's Bucket
    I was far too innocent to understand the blatant innuendo.

    Back in 2005 I rewatched the entire series.
    How had it aged? I don't remember it fondly but according to Wiki at its peak it was attracting audiences of 21 million (!) so must have had something going for it. Like you, I may have been slightly too young first time around.

    Alright, but some characters weren't as good as I remembered
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,660
    Sweeney74 said:

    nico67 said:

    The opposition parties should all not stand a candidate , call the whole thing a waste of time and say they’ll wait for the investigation to report .

    If he's stood-down with immediate effect, does that not mean that since he's no longer an MP that the investigation is in effect paused?
    Yes.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 843

    DoctorG said:

    Ratters said:

    The optimal scenario is:

    1) No unity candidate but Labour and Lib Dems field paper candidates and don't bother campaigning other than to attack Farage. They can't win.

    2) Tories have a sensible local candidate, perhaps a business man/woman. Portray themselves as the responsible party.

    3) Restore campaign well from the right as the ideologically pure / non corrupt anti-immigrant party.

    4) Farage spend a lot of the campaign answering questions about his various unorthodox financial affairs.

    Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but I think the Tories could come through the middle of a split Reform/Restore vote to win.

    Yes, I agree with your analysis.

    Several things need to happen:

    *Burnham needs to soft pedal the by election, paper candidate and not camapign too hard for Labour
    *Restore grab a chunk of the Reform vote
    *Tories select a sensible pro business candidate, popular with all the locals and Clacton pensioners

    Also would be an advantage for Kemi if Farage continued to get hot under the collar and seld destructed somewhat during the campaign.

    All of the above are possible, and he didn't break 50% of the vote last time (he got 46%)

    It's not naturally good territory for the Lib Dems or Greens so I don't expect them to put much effort in.

    Let's see what Rupert Lowe makes of it all later on. No love lost between them so Restore will surely stand
    Not a good look for Burnham though if his first act as PM is to enable a Conservative victory.
    He's in a similar position to what Starmer was in when a vacancy arrived in Makerfield.

    If Starmer was to actively campaign for Labour, he is actively campaigning to help a direct rival in his own party to oust him as Prime Minister
    If he does not campaign, or lies back and hopes for a Reform victory, he is aiding a rival party who are leading his in the opinion polls.

    Burnham would surely be delighted at the removal of Farage, even though he daren't admit it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,604

    Pulpstar said:

    RUPERT LOWE will not stand a candidate in Clacton unless there is a second by-election following a ruling against Farage by the parliamentary commissioner for standards.

    https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2074512029872795721

    Good response
    Ceeding the entire ground to your principle opponent in your demographically most favourable seat ?!?!
    I know, utterly bizarre.
    Ed Davey makes the point the by election should not take place before the Parliamentary Commission report

    How many will now decide to sit this out
    He is correct, of course.
    But if not, then Binface should be the white suit (of armour) candidate.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,460
    Driver said:

    nico67 said:

    The Commons should refuse to agree to the motion regarding the writ and say the by- election should not happen until the investigation is concluded .

    They can't. Unless they want to leave the seat vacant for the rest of the parliament.
    They can refuse to agree to the motion and can still vote at a later date to approve it .
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 843

    Interesting that it was reported in the Sundays that the Tories had been put on readiness for by-election in Clacton. It was presumed that meant that report into Farage donation was incoming and he was going to get sanctioned (but Telegrpah says they are nowhere near ready to report).

    Did somebody leak within Reform (I presume close to Farage) to the Tories?

    A double agent or a regretful defector is not outwith the realms of possibility
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 792
    Cookie said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    boulay said:

    If the Tories had any sense they'd pick the Proddy Vicar as their candidate again.

    Isn’t Rev Ian Paisley dead?
    Different Proddy Vicar.

    Before becoming the MP for Clacton Giles Watling played the Proddy Vicar in Bread.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Watling

    The only Boswell daughter was Aveline (Gilly Coman/Melanie Hill), a colourful, enduring model who married Protestant vicar Oswald Carter (Giles Watling) at the end of series 4 (to staunchly-Catholic Nellie's outrage and who she would refer to as "The Proddy Vicar"); after trying to conceive throughout series 5, Aveline gives birth to Ursula in series 6.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_(TV_series)#Guest_appearances
    Bread was shit.
    As a 7 year old I loved it.

    'Lilo Lil. She is a tart'!
    My Granny's Bucket
    I was far too innocent to understand the blatant innuendo.

    Back in 2005 I rewatched the entire series.
    How had it aged? I don't remember it fondly but according to Wiki at its peak it was attracting audiences of 21 million (!) so must have had something going for it. Like you, I may have been slightly too young first time around.

    I was 12ish when it first aired, remember it fondly.
    I suspect that the mid/late 80s vibe has aged poorly.

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,745
    Sweeney74 said:

    nico67 said:

    The opposition parties should all not stand a candidate , call the whole thing a waste of time and say they’ll wait for the investigation to report .

    If he's stood-down with immediate effect, does that not mean that since he's no longer an MP that the investigation is in effect paused?
    The standards committee completed their investigation into Johnson after he resigned from the Commons, so they could do the same here.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,283
    Many of you seem to be crying into your cornflakes, but I think it's a brilliant bit of game theory played out today by Nigel tbh.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,578
    Pulpstar said:

    Many of you seem to be crying into your cornflakes, but I think it's a brilliant bit of game theory played out today by Nigel tbh.

    What a ridiculous thing to say. No one has been even remotely emotive about this.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,460
    Pulpstar said:

    Many of you seem to be crying into your cornflakes, but I think it's a brilliant bit of game theory played out today by Nigel tbh.

    Only if the other parties indulge him.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,578
    nico67 said:

    Driver said:

    nico67 said:

    The Commons should refuse to agree to the motion regarding the writ and say the by- election should not happen until the investigation is concluded .

    They can't. Unless they want to leave the seat vacant for the rest of the parliament.
    They can refuse to agree to the motion and can still vote at a later date to approve it .
    Leaving the constituency without an MP in the meantime? That would be a spectacular own goal
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,896
    DougSeal said:

    nico67 said:

    Driver said:

    nico67 said:

    The Commons should refuse to agree to the motion regarding the writ and say the by- election should not happen until the investigation is concluded .

    They can't. Unless they want to leave the seat vacant for the rest of the parliament.
    They can refuse to agree to the motion and can still vote at a later date to approve it .
    Leaving the constituency without an MP in the meantime? That would be a spectacular own goal
    Would that be very different to the status quo? :wink:
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,842
    nico67 said:

    Driver said:

    nico67 said:

    The Commons should refuse to agree to the motion regarding the writ and say the by- election should not happen until the investigation is concluded .

    They can't. Unless they want to leave the seat vacant for the rest of the parliament.
    They can refuse to agree to the motion and can still vote at a later date to approve it .
    Refusing to allow the by-election to happen is an easy win for Reform’s ‘Establishment Fear’ narrative.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,460
    DougSeal said:

    nico67 said:

    Driver said:

    nico67 said:

    The Commons should refuse to agree to the motion regarding the writ and say the by- election should not happen until the investigation is concluded .

    They can't. Unless they want to leave the seat vacant for the rest of the parliament.
    They can refuse to agree to the motion and can still vote at a later date to approve it .
    Leaving the constituency without an MP in the meantime? That would be a spectacular own goal
    They don’t have one anyway ! Farage can withdraw his resignation and wait for the investigation to conclude .
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,896
    Does anyone know about Rupert's operation in Clacton?

    Is it Restore Britain, or could we have Clacton First?

    (I'd saythe former for a Parliamentary election.)
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,825
    Afternoon all :)

    Makerfield 2.0 perhaps. Little and Sad de nos jours perhaps? The opportunity for the Conservatives to end Reform?

    It’s never that simple but Farage starts with plenty in his favour but the worst result could be him scrambling home with an unconvincing win. Obviously, as the song doesn’t go, any win will do but we all know it won’t and doesn’t.

    Let’s say however the gamble pays off and Farage gets back by 10,000 or more. Where does that leave the Conservatives ? We still don’t really know whether if the parliamentary arithmetic after the election allows the Conservatives will back a Reform minority administration or sit on their hands even if that means a continuation of Labour even as a minority Government.

    Acrimonious by-election campaigns don’t help but they can be quickly forgotten. Even after the Littleborough & Saddleworth by-election in 1995, plenty still assumed Paddy Ashdown’s LDs would have supported a minority Blair led Labour Government in 1997.



  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 792
    Will Egypt rain on Argentina's parade?
    Don't cry for me, Argentina?
    Walk Like an Egyptian?
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,842
    nico67 said:

    DougSeal said:

    nico67 said:

    Driver said:

    nico67 said:

    The Commons should refuse to agree to the motion regarding the writ and say the by- election should not happen until the investigation is concluded .

    They can't. Unless they want to leave the seat vacant for the rest of the parliament.
    They can refuse to agree to the motion and can still vote at a later date to approve it .
    Leaving the constituency without an MP in the meantime? That would be a spectacular own goal
    They don’t have one anyway ! Farage can withdraw his resignation and wait for the investigation to conclude .
    Once he’s taken a Crown Office I’m not sure he can. He automatically ceases to be eligible to be an MP at that point.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,283
    edited 3:45PM
    MattW said:

    Does anyone know about Rupert's operation in Clacton?

    Is it Restore Britain, or could we have Clacton First?

    (I'd saythe former for a Parliamentary election.)

    Not running. Always was the danger for Farage. Labour's folded it's hand on this one, as has Davey. Just waiting on Kemi to decide whether to stand a candidate.
    He is not unopposed though, Binface is up for it. He might even save his deposit if noone else even halfway serious runs. I expect a halfway serious independent candidate might end up getting 25% or so though.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,460
    Foss said:

    nico67 said:

    Driver said:

    nico67 said:

    The Commons should refuse to agree to the motion regarding the writ and say the by- election should not happen until the investigation is concluded .

    They can't. Unless they want to leave the seat vacant for the rest of the parliament.
    They can refuse to agree to the motion and can still vote at a later date to approve it .
    Refusing to allow the by-election to happen is an easy win for Reform’s ‘Establishment Fear’ narrative.
    No not at all . Surely voters would want to know the results of the investigation to judge him , as Farage is telling us he’s innocent then why not wait till the report is published? We all know why he’s doing this now and the opposition shouldn’t indulge him .
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,825
    I suppose the other question is whether Restore will stand a candidate.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,896
    Pulpstar said:

    Many of you seem to be crying into your cornflakes, but I think it's a brilliant bit of game theory played out today by Nigel tbh.

    Well, the £5 million wasn't a brilliant bit of game theory and Farage wouldn't be doing his by-election manoeuvres if it was.

    On the other hand, nice to have £5 million.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,866

    DoctorG said:

    Ratters said:

    The optimal scenario is:

    1) No unity candidate but Labour and Lib Dems field paper candidates and don't bother campaigning other than to attack Farage. They can't win.

    2) Tories have a sensible local candidate, perhaps a business man/woman. Portray themselves as the responsible party.

    3) Restore campaign well from the right as the ideologically pure / non corrupt anti-immigrant party.

    4) Farage spend a lot of the campaign answering questions about his various unorthodox financial affairs.

    Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but I think the Tories could come through the middle of a split Reform/Restore vote to win.

    Yes, I agree with your analysis.

    Several things need to happen:

    *Burnham needs to soft pedal the by election, paper candidate and not camapign too hard for Labour
    *Restore grab a chunk of the Reform vote
    *Tories select a sensible pro business candidate, popular with all the locals and Clacton pensioners

    Also would be an advantage for Kemi if Farage continued to get hot under the collar and seld destructed somewhat during the campaign.

    All of the above are possible, and he didn't break 50% of the vote last time (he got 46%)

    It's not naturally good territory for the Lib Dems or Greens so I don't expect them to put much effort in.

    Let's see what Rupert Lowe makes of it all later on. No love lost between them so Restore will surely stand
    Not a good look for Burnham though if his first act as PM is to enable a Conservative victory.
    He came in as the Reform slayer.
    I think a Tory win would suit him nicely.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,718

    boulay said:

    If the Tories had any sense they'd pick the Proddy Vicar as their candidate again.

    Isn’t Rev Ian Paisley dead?
    Different Proddy Vicar.

    Before becoming the MP for Clacton Giles Watling played the Proddy Vicar in Bread.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Watling

    The only Boswell daughter was Aveline (Gilly Coman/Melanie Hill), a colourful, enduring model who married Protestant vicar Oswald Carter (Giles Watling) at the end of series 4 (to staunchly-Catholic Nellie's outrage and who she would refer to as "The Proddy Vicar"); after trying to conceive throughout series 5, Aveline gives birth to Ursula in series 6.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_(TV_series)#Guest_appearances
    Bread was shit.
    I remember it fondly, but I suspect were I to re-watch it would not entertain. When broadcast there were three/four channels to pick from and I'm not even sure if we had a video player by then. There really wasn't a lot of competition!
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,614
    nico67 said:

    DougSeal said:

    nico67 said:

    Driver said:

    nico67 said:

    The Commons should refuse to agree to the motion regarding the writ and say the by- election should not happen until the investigation is concluded .

    They can't. Unless they want to leave the seat vacant for the rest of the parliament.
    They can refuse to agree to the motion and can still vote at a later date to approve it .
    Leaving the constituency without an MP in the meantime? That would be a spectacular own goal
    They don’t have one anyway ! Farage can withdraw his resignation and wait for the investigation to conclude .
    I don't think he can withdraw his resignation as it's technically a disqualification for accepting an office of profit under the Crown.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,206

    Taz said:

    boulay said:

    If the Tories had any sense they'd pick the Proddy Vicar as their candidate again.

    Isn’t Rev Ian Paisley dead?
    Different Proddy Vicar.

    Before becoming the MP for Clacton Giles Watling played the Proddy Vicar in Bread.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Watling

    The only Boswell daughter was Aveline (Gilly Coman/Melanie Hill), a colourful, enduring model who married Protestant vicar Oswald Carter (Giles Watling) at the end of series 4 (to staunchly-Catholic Nellie's outrage and who she would refer to as "The Proddy Vicar"); after trying to conceive throughout series 5, Aveline gives birth to Ursula in series 6.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_(TV_series)#Guest_appearances
    Excellent acting vintage.

    His father, Jack, was a class actor

    His sister, Deborah, played a Dr Who girl and naughty Norma in Danger UXB
    I met Giles in 2014, lovely fella, absolutely charming.
    Never met him but did meet Deborah at a who con. She was delightfully nutty.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,308

    Interesting that it was reported in the Sundays that the Tories had been put on readiness for by-election in Clacton. It was presumed that meant that report into donation on Farage was incoming and he was going to get sanctioned (but Telegrpah says they are nowhere near ready to report). Did somebody leak from within Reform to the Tories?

    I think somebody very close to Nigel Farage is leaking all this stuff.

    My favourite theory is that it is his bodyguards.

    Farage gets £5 million for security and he pays his bodyguards minimum wage.
    That can't be true. There is loads of work for personal protection / private security people, none of them do it for peanuts, unless they are genuinely big mates with the person they are protecting (and as with Farage it isn't a one off so even then they wouldn't do it).
    Even the ‘security’ guy walking round a building site perimeter at night isn’t earning minimum wage.

    Proper 24/7 personal security, for someone who receives daily death threats, costs serious money. The people doing it generally have a police or military background and command big money. I suspect that there’s two men in a car parked outside his daughter’s house today as well.

    Ask a certain Mr Sussex, who’s spent millions trying to convince British taxpayers to fund his security, and is now looking at an eight-figure lawyers’ bill after losing a privacy case today.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,710
    FPT

    £250k is an eyewatering amount of money to the vast majority of people.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,460

    nico67 said:

    DougSeal said:

    nico67 said:

    Driver said:

    nico67 said:

    The Commons should refuse to agree to the motion regarding the writ and say the by- election should not happen until the investigation is concluded .

    They can't. Unless they want to leave the seat vacant for the rest of the parliament.
    They can refuse to agree to the motion and can still vote at a later date to approve it .
    Leaving the constituency without an MP in the meantime? That would be a spectacular own goal
    They don’t have one anyway ! Farage can withdraw his resignation and wait for the investigation to conclude .
    I don't think he can withdraw his resignation as it's technically a disqualification for accepting an office of profit under the Crown.
    He’s said he’s going to resign , the formalities might not have started . And why can’t the investigation be sped up to conclude before any by-election ? The other parties need to de-legitimise Farage’s pathetic attempt to avoid scrutiny .
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,544

    The other parties should leave him to it.

    Except Binface.

    Reform vs Binface

    I actually think this is the best option for the other parties. Highlights the absurdity of it - imagine the speech at 2am with just the Count behind him.

    And there is a small chance the people of Clacton decide to do something very funny.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,308
    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    £250k is an eyewatering amount of money to the vast majority of people.

    It buys a three-bed semi in Clacton.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,206
    Cookie said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    boulay said:

    If the Tories had any sense they'd pick the Proddy Vicar as their candidate again.

    Isn’t Rev Ian Paisley dead?
    Different Proddy Vicar.

    Before becoming the MP for Clacton Giles Watling played the Proddy Vicar in Bread.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Watling

    The only Boswell daughter was Aveline (Gilly Coman/Melanie Hill), a colourful, enduring model who married Protestant vicar Oswald Carter (Giles Watling) at the end of series 4 (to staunchly-Catholic Nellie's outrage and who she would refer to as "The Proddy Vicar"); after trying to conceive throughout series 5, Aveline gives birth to Ursula in series 6.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_(TV_series)#Guest_appearances
    Bread was shit.
    As a 7 year old I loved it.

    'Lilo Lil. She is a tart'!
    My Granny's Bucket
    I was far too innocent to understand the blatant innuendo.

    Back in 2005 I rewatched the entire series.
    How had it aged? I don't remember it fondly but according to Wiki at its peak it was attracting audiences of 21 million (!) so must have had something going for it. Like you, I may have been slightly too young first time around.

    I bought a DVD from the CEX shop for a quid to rip to put on one of my strapons.

    It has not aged well at all.

    There’s a reason it rarely gets a run out. It’s just not very good.

    When they changed Joey’s and Avelines it did not improve
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,842
    nico67 said:

    Foss said:

    nico67 said:

    Driver said:

    nico67 said:

    The Commons should refuse to agree to the motion regarding the writ and say the by- election should not happen until the investigation is concluded .

    They can't. Unless they want to leave the seat vacant for the rest of the parliament.
    They can refuse to agree to the motion and can still vote at a later date to approve it .
    Refusing to allow the by-election to happen is an easy win for Reform’s ‘Establishment Fear’ narrative.
    No not at all . Surely voters would want to know the results of the investigation to judge him , as Farage is telling us he’s innocent then why not wait till the report is published? We all know why he’s doing this now and the opposition shouldn’t indulge him .
    We used to get ‘In the News’ polling but I unfortunately don’t seem to be able to find any of that. TBH, I don’t think the majority know about it. Remember - we’re special, this is our autistic 'Special Interest'.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,158
    edited 3:52PM
    DoctorG said:

    Interesting that it was reported in the Sundays that the Tories had been put on readiness for by-election in Clacton. It was presumed that meant that report into Farage donation was incoming and he was going to get sanctioned (but Telegrpah says they are nowhere near ready to report).

    Did somebody leak within Reform (I presume close to Farage) to the Tories?

    A double agent or a regretful defector is not outwith the realms of possibility
    I wouldn't be surprised if a newspaper has somebody undercover in Reform. Wasn't it Ch4 that had somebody undercover during the GE and made a programme of various campaigners making dodgy comments (one guy in particular was out and out racist)?
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 792
    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    boulay said:

    If the Tories had any sense they'd pick the Proddy Vicar as their candidate again.

    Isn’t Rev Ian Paisley dead?
    Different Proddy Vicar.

    Before becoming the MP for Clacton Giles Watling played the Proddy Vicar in Bread.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Watling

    The only Boswell daughter was Aveline (Gilly Coman/Melanie Hill), a colourful, enduring model who married Protestant vicar Oswald Carter (Giles Watling) at the end of series 4 (to staunchly-Catholic Nellie's outrage and who she would refer to as "The Proddy Vicar"); after trying to conceive throughout series 5, Aveline gives birth to Ursula in series 6.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_(TV_series)#Guest_appearances
    Bread was shit.
    As a 7 year old I loved it.

    'Lilo Lil. She is a tart'!
    My Granny's Bucket
    I was far too innocent to understand the blatant innuendo.

    Back in 2005 I rewatched the entire series.
    How had it aged? I don't remember it fondly but according to Wiki at its peak it was attracting audiences of 21 million (!) so must have had something going for it. Like you, I may have been slightly too young first time around.

    I bought a DVD from the CEX shop for a quid to rip to put on one of my strapons.

    It has not aged well at all.

    There’s a reason it rarely gets a run out. It’s just not very good.

    When they changed Joey’s and Avelines it did not improve
    strapon... going to need to expand on that...
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,100
    Eabhal said:

    The other parties should leave him to it.

    Except Binface.

    Reform vs Binface

    I actually think this is the best option for the other parties. Highlights the absurdity of it - imagine the speech at 2am with just the Count behind him.

    And there is a small chance the people of Clacton decide to do something very funny.
    I mean, while I would vote tactically for the Tories in such a by-election, I'd be far more enthusiastic in my support for Count Binface as if he/she was the primary opponent.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,866
    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    £250k is an eyewatering amount of money to the vast majority of people.

    And that's why this really is an Establishment vs the Rest election.
    The kind of person who thinks nowt of a £5 million gift.
    Because it's the sort of money he should have.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,460
    edited 3:56PM
    Surely the opposition won’t miss an open goal . Just boycott the by-election and make Farage look pathetic. The media could then ask Farage why he isn’t willing to wait for the investigation to report ?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,158
    BREAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKING NEWS....Count BinFace is standing.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,167
    Any chance that Carol Vorderman would stand?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,710
    edited 3:58PM
    "@Nigel_Farage

    I have spoken to the CEO of Tendring District Council. Reform has offered to cover the cost of the by-election.

    I will be writing to Rachel Reeves later today with the same message.

    Given that we asked for this by-election in the first place, it’s only right that we pay for it."

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/2074499712376303784
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,745

    DoctorG said:

    Interesting that it was reported in the Sundays that the Tories had been put on readiness for by-election in Clacton. It was presumed that meant that report into Farage donation was incoming and he was going to get sanctioned (but Telegrpah says they are nowhere near ready to report).

    Did somebody leak within Reform (I presume close to Farage) to the Tories?

    A double agent or a regretful defector is not outwith the realms of possibility
    I wouldn't be surprised if a newspaper has somebody undercover in Reform. Wasn't it Ch4 that had somebody undercover during the GE and made a programme of various campaigners making dodgy comments (one guy in particular was out and out racist)?
    Farage has just argued that doing anything in return for money is justified, and a fair number of people agree with him. I wouldn't be surprised if someone is simply leaking information in exchange for cash. Nothing wrong with making a bit of money after all. They might not even see it as being disloyal - just taking some money off the enemy.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,366
    So Farage will have to finally go and visit his constituency?

    It will be a novelty for him.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,578
    Andy_JS said:

    "@Nigel_Farage

    I have spoken to the CEO of Tendring District Council. Reform has offered to cover the cost of the by-election.

    I will be writing to Rachel Reeves later today with the same message.

    Given that we asked for this by-election in the first place, it’s only right that we pay for it."

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/2074499712376303784

    FFS. It should be blindingly obvious that no political party can pay for an election.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,158
    edited 4:05PM
    Starmer doing media pool piece talking about sleaze and taking dodgy donations.....I think if I was him I would sit this one out.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,206
    Sweeney74 said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    boulay said:

    If the Tories had any sense they'd pick the Proddy Vicar as their candidate again.

    Isn’t Rev Ian Paisley dead?
    Different Proddy Vicar.

    Before becoming the MP for Clacton Giles Watling played the Proddy Vicar in Bread.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Watling

    The only Boswell daughter was Aveline (Gilly Coman/Melanie Hill), a colourful, enduring model who married Protestant vicar Oswald Carter (Giles Watling) at the end of series 4 (to staunchly-Catholic Nellie's outrage and who she would refer to as "The Proddy Vicar"); after trying to conceive throughout series 5, Aveline gives birth to Ursula in series 6.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_(TV_series)#Guest_appearances
    Bread was shit.
    As a 7 year old I loved it.

    'Lilo Lil. She is a tart'!
    My Granny's Bucket
    I was far too innocent to understand the blatant innuendo.

    Back in 2005 I rewatched the entire series.
    How had it aged? I don't remember it fondly but according to Wiki at its peak it was attracting audiences of 21 million (!) so must have had something going for it. Like you, I may have been slightly too young first time around.

    I bought a DVD from the CEX shop for a quid to rip to put on one of my strapons.

    It has not aged well at all.

    There’s a reason it rarely gets a run out. It’s just not very good.

    When they changed Joey’s and Avelines it did not improve
    strapon... going to need to expand on that...
    My plug in hard drive. My mate calls them strapons as I strap them onto the tv 👍
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,245
    Foxy said:

    So Farage will have to finally go and visit his constituency?

    It will be a novelty for him.

    That's the other mystery here.

    The five million dollar pound man has gone to ground in recent months, for obvious reasons. Unless he plans to just do a video campaign, how does he avoid speaking to nasty people with mean questions?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,158
    edited 4:07PM
    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "@Nigel_Farage

    I have spoken to the CEO of Tendring District Council. Reform has offered to cover the cost of the by-election.

    I will be writing to Rachel Reeves later today with the same message.

    Given that we asked for this by-election in the first place, it’s only right that we pay for it."

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/2074499712376303784

    FFS. It should be blindingly obvious that no political party can pay for an election.
    Nigel himself could make a voluntary overpayment of taxes for the amount it costs, which is sort of the same thing? As he told us today, he is now like well loaded after becoming an social media influencer.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,702
    edited 4:07PM
    I've got mixed feelings about whether Labour should stand in Clacton. I can see the attraction of leaving it to the Tories, or ignoring it if the Tories don't run a candidate.

    But on the other hand, Burnham will be new in place, and has already promised to improve growth, life chances etc. in, to quote his words, "every postcode". That presumably includes Clacton. Although they wouldn't stand a chance of winning, it may be useful for Burnham to get a feel for how Labour is doing in such a seat.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,175

    DoctorG said:

    Interesting that it was reported in the Sundays that the Tories had been put on readiness for by-election in Clacton. It was presumed that meant that report into Farage donation was incoming and he was going to get sanctioned (but Telegrpah says they are nowhere near ready to report).

    Did somebody leak within Reform (I presume close to Farage) to the Tories?

    A double agent or a regretful defector is not outwith the realms of possibility
    I wouldn't be surprised if a newspaper has somebody undercover in Reform. Wasn't it Ch4 that had somebody undercover during the GE and made a programme of various campaigners making dodgy comments (one guy in particular was out and out racist)?
    The only surprising part of that is that there was only one racist.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,536
    Disappointed nobody has picked up on the subtle film reference in the headline.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,702

    Disappointed nobody has picked up on the subtle film reference in the headline.

    I picked up on the film reference, but not the subtle one.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,366

    Foxy said:

    So Farage will have to finally go and visit his constituency?

    It will be a novelty for him.

    That's the other mystery here.

    The five million dollar pound man has gone to ground in recent months, for obvious reasons. Unless he plans to just do a video campaign, how does he avoid speaking to nasty people with mean questions?
    Yes, a fairly obvious flaw in his cunning plan.

    Badenoch should be there every week. If the Tories can take the seat back it would be like a disco on Farage's political grave
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,660

    Disappointed nobody has picked up on the subtle film reference in the headline.

    I dodged it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,710
    "Gamblers who spend more than £1,000 online in a 24-hour window will have to undergo a financial risk assessment, the industry regulator has announced.

    The Gambling Commission said this would also apply to anyone spending over £3,000 in a rolling 90-day period."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqj1xvy44xno
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,710
    edited 4:14PM

    I've got mixed feelings about whether Labour should stand in Clacton. I can see the attraction of leaving it to the Tories, or ignoring it if the Tories don't run a candidate.

    But on the other hand, Burnham will be new in place, and has already promised to improve growth, life chances etc. in, to quote his words, "every postcode". That presumably includes Clacton. Although they wouldn't stand a chance of winning, it may be useful for Burnham to get a feel for how Labour is doing in such a seat.

    As I said in the previous thread, Clacton had a Labour MP between 1997 and 2005 as part of the Harwich constituency, and although Clacton wouldn't have been the most Labour-friendly section of the seat, they still must have picked up a pretty significant share of the vote in that area.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,536
    Andy_JS said:

    "Gamblers who spend more than £1,000 online in a 24-hour window will have to undergo a financial risk assessment, the industry regulator has announced.

    The Gambling Commission said this would also apply to anyone spending over £3,000 in a rolling 90-day period."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqj1xvy44xno

    Godamnit.

    This is going to make it harder for me to take money from desperate punters on Betfair.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,710
    edited 4:17PM
    Egypt 1-0 after 14 mins.

    Good for the match, because it means Argentina will have to make an effort to do more than win 1-0 which often seems to be their preferred way of winning matches.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,571
    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "@Nigel_Farage

    I have spoken to the CEO of Tendring District Council. Reform has offered to cover the cost of the by-election.

    I will be writing to Rachel Reeves later today with the same message.

    Given that we asked for this by-election in the first place, it’s only right that we pay for it."

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/2074499712376303784

    FFS. It should be blindingly obvious that no political party can pay for an election.
    I think they can. They can just make an equivalent donation to whoever funds the byelection.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,536
    Nigel Farage claimed in his speech that he has never used his daughter and has always done everything he could to protect his family's privacy.

    Here's Nigel Farage with his daughter, Isabelle, on I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here! in 2023.


    https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/2074503009329958945?s=46
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,175
    The defender gets to the ball first there. Should not be a penalty for me.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,054
    edited 4:25PM
    Nige is doing all he can to get the 'anyone by Reform' vote out in Manc at the end of July, quite suboptimal in a STV election.

    Walking through town on the way to the tram this evening, group of half a dozen women, likely in their twenties, gave an audible cheer when the LBG advert changed over to 'Farage Resigns as MP'.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,158
    edited 4:30PM

    Nigel Farage claimed in his speech that he has never used his daughter and has always done everything he could to protect his family's privacy.

    Here's Nigel Farage with his daughter, Isabelle, on I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here! in 2023.


    https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/2074503009329958945?s=46

    I am no fan of Farage, but I think that is bit thin gruel. Retired from politics, on a reality TV show, ITV surprise him with a family member (even if she was down on a list of people they could surprise him with). TBH, I actually didn't even know he had kids.

    Its a bit like people saying Starmer is lying about similar claim, because he gave a few speeches where there was a photo of his kids in shot to give the impression he was in his office at home rather than Lord Ali's flat or him saying about got to take his son to the footy as reason for private box. I don't see either of those as massive "leveraging his kids for political purposes" or him lying about protecting them.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,225
    Ed Davey, said:

    “If this by-election does go ahead now, we are calling on all parties to stand aside and refuse to give oxygen to Farage’s vanity project.

    “But the Government should just say no to Farage’s ego-trip and block his resignation until the Standards Commissioner has finished investigating him.

    “The people of Clacton should have all the facts before they cast their votes.”
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,206

    Nigel Farage claimed in his speech that he has never used his daughter and has always done everything he could to protect his family's privacy.

    Here's Nigel Farage with his daughter, Isabelle, on I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here! in 2023.


    https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/2074503009329958945?s=46

    ITV took her out there.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,460
    Chris Mason now with another Reform puff piece . Why doesn’t he just piss off to Reform HQ .
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,179
    Barnesian said:

    Ed Davey, said:

    “If this by-election does go ahead now, we are calling on all parties to stand aside and refuse to give oxygen to Farage’s vanity project.

    “But the Government should just say no to Farage’s ego-trip and block his resignation until the Standards Commissioner has finished investigating him.

    “The people of Clacton should have all the facts before they cast their votes.”

    The resigning to stop the investigation, followed by standing for re-election, remind me rather of certain police officers.

    Who resign when investigated, then get a job with another force.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,660
    Barnesian said:

    Ed Davey, said:

    “If this by-election does go ahead now, we are calling on all parties to stand aside and refuse to give oxygen to Farage’s vanity project.

    “But the Government should just say no to Farage’s ego-trip and block his resignation until the Standards Commissioner has finished investigating him.

    “The people of Clacton should have all the facts before they cast their votes.”

    The government should block an MP resigning???
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,158

    Barnesian said:

    Ed Davey, said:

    “If this by-election does go ahead now, we are calling on all parties to stand aside and refuse to give oxygen to Farage’s vanity project.

    “But the Government should just say no to Farage’s ego-trip and block his resignation until the Standards Commissioner has finished investigating him.

    “The people of Clacton should have all the facts before they cast their votes.”

    The resigning to stop the investigation, followed by standing for re-election, remind me rather of certain police officers.

    Who resign when investigated, then get a job with another force.
    The difference is at best Farage has managed to call a hydration break. As soon as he is re-elected, its back on like Fat Pat's thong.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,158
    edited 4:37PM
    Bloody hell that was Root level review from India. Would have been struggling to hit a second set of stumps.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,206

    Barnesian said:

    Ed Davey, said:

    “If this by-election does go ahead now, we are calling on all parties to stand aside and refuse to give oxygen to Farage’s vanity project.

    “But the Government should just say no to Farage’s ego-trip and block his resignation until the Standards Commissioner has finished investigating him.

    “The people of Clacton should have all the facts before they cast their votes.”

    The resigning to stop the investigation, followed by standing for re-election, remind me rather of certain police officers.

    Who resign when investigated, then get a job with another force.
    The difference is at best Farage has managed to call a hydration break. As soon as he is re-elected, its back on like Fat Pat's thong.
    As dental floss ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,604
    As the count says, it's binevitable.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,604
    "The Count vs The C***."
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,356
    The other parties should not stand. A straight Binface v Farage is the way to go. Turn the 'people v establishment' framing right back on Mr £5m.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,604
    Bintegrity vs Bungtegrifty ?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,175
    Nigelb said:

    BREAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKING NEWS....Count BinFace is standing.

    The people has spoken.

    Labour, Tories, Lib Dems and Greens: I demand you stand down in Clacton. I will be a unity candidate and pledge to build at least one affordable house.

    Nigel Farage says he wants The People versus the Establishment. So be it.

    Leave him to me.

    https://x.com/CountBinface/status/2074513701286162752
    Get in the bin.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,302
    A stunt, but you can see the logic - he'll win and claim that means nothing was untoward, even though the two things would be unconnected.

    Despite bullishness and posturing he must have been terrified to do this though - it's not a stunt to pull lightly.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,366

    Disappointed nobody has picked up on the subtle film reference in the headline.

    Well, we know who is funded by Globo Gym!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,302
    kinabalu said:

    The other parties should not stand. A straight Binface v Farage is the way to go. Turn the 'people v establishment' framing right back on Mr £5m.

    It would be hilarious, but outside of Speaker contests (and that intermittenly) have the big two ever not stood? No matter the circumstances it looks bad to not try.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,366
    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    The other parties should not stand. A straight Binface v Farage is the way to go. Turn the 'people v establishment' framing right back on Mr £5m.

    It would be hilarious, but outside of Speaker contests (and that intermittenly) have the big two ever not stood? No matter the circumstances it looks bad to not try.
    I don't thing anyone serious stood against David Davis in his vanity byelection.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,544
    Nigelb said:

    BREAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKING NEWS....Count BinFace is standing.

    The people has spoken.

    Labour, Tories, Lib Dems and Greens: I demand you stand down in Clacton. I will be a unity candidate and pledge to build at least one affordable house.

    Nigel Farage says he wants The People versus the Establishment. So be it.

    Leave him to me.

    https://x.com/CountBinface/status/2074513701286162752
    Leave him to me.

    Ice cold. I love it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,158
    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    The other parties should not stand. A straight Binface v Farage is the way to go. Turn the 'people v establishment' framing right back on Mr £5m.

    It would be hilarious, but outside of Speaker contests (and that intermittenly) have the big two ever not stood? No matter the circumstances it looks bad to not try.
    David Davis vanity by-election. None of the major parties stood and ended up with 10-11 novelty candidates.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,302
    edited 4:58PM
    In their dreams this would be a Tory Reform fight in which Kemi says do you want an MP all about their ego vs a hardworking Tory, and have it be the defining contest in whether Tories absorb Reform or vice versa.

    I don't think their dream will come true.

    And they know it, so won't stand.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,528
    LibDems out too.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,366
    kinabalu said:

    The other parties should not stand. A straight Binface v Farage is the way to go. Turn the 'people v establishment' framing right back on Mr £5m.

    No, I think they have to stand. Go with good local candidates with clean skins.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,745
    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    The other parties should not stand. A straight Binface v Farage is the way to go. Turn the 'people v establishment' framing right back on Mr £5m.

    It would be hilarious, but outside of Speaker contests (and that intermittenly) have the big two ever not stood? No matter the circumstances it looks bad to not try.
    The precedent is David Davis resigning to contest a by-election. Labour and Lib Dems didn't stand candidates. Greens came second with about 7.5%.

    I think in this circumstance the argument that they're not standing in this by-election because they're waiting for the by-election after the standards inquiry, is a good basis for sitting it out.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,302

    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    The other parties should not stand. A straight Binface v Farage is the way to go. Turn the 'people v establishment' framing right back on Mr £5m.

    It would be hilarious, but outside of Speaker contests (and that intermittenly) have the big two ever not stood? No matter the circumstances it looks bad to not try.
    David Davis vanity by-election. None of the major parties stood and ended up with 10-11 novelty candidates.
    I couldn't remember if they'd bothered then. So clear precedent for vanity contests, so it will mean nothing as it won't even clear Farage of future accusations.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,175
    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    The other parties should not stand. A straight Binface v Farage is the way to go. Turn the 'people v establishment' framing right back on Mr £5m.

    It would be hilarious, but outside of Speaker contests (and that intermittenly) have the big two ever not stood? No matter the circumstances it looks bad to not try.
    Individually, yes, a few times.

    Labour did not stand against Davis.
    Tories did not stand after the murder of Jo Cox.
    Labour did not stand after the murder of Sir David Amess.

    The incumbent party stood all those times but precedence for non incumbents to step aside.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,302
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    BREAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKING NEWS....Count BinFace is standing.

    The people has spoken.

    Labour, Tories, Lib Dems and Greens: I demand you stand down in Clacton. I will be a unity candidate and pledge to build at least one affordable house.

    Nigel Farage says he wants The People versus the Establishment. So be it.

    Leave him to me.

    https://x.com/CountBinface/status/2074513701286162752
    This should happen.
    There'll be other no hopers, but even if it was 85% Farage 15% Binface it would be worth it.
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