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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,415
    edited July 4
    There is an appallingly bad royal doc on C5 now, Harry & Meghan: The Wedding That Split Two Families' with actors accents for Harry and Meghan, William and the late Queen so awful it is hilarious
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,736

    carnforth said:

    Add a sentence to tell us what the link is, Big G!
    Reform 26 [-1]
    Labour 20 [-1]
    Conservative 19 [+2]

    Highest Conservative vote share since April 2025
    Highest share with this pollster, not overall.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,247
    Ballot Box Scotland’s analysis of the Peterhead South by-election.
    https://ballotbox.scot/result-peterhead-south/
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,111
    HYUFD said:

    There is an appallingly bad royal doc on C5 now, Harry & Meghan: The Wedding That Split Two Families' with actors accents for Harry and Meghan, William and the late Queen so awful it is hilarious

    More awful and hilarious than the real version?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,420
    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,845

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    The Irish Sea?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,350

    stodge said:

    DavidL said:

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Revealed: Nigel Farage secretly funded by convicted criminal

    The Reform UK leader did not declare benefits including staff, security and housing by crypto-gambler George Cottrell, our investigation reveals


    ...Farage appears to have broken MPs’ rules by failing to declare that Cottrell provided funding for his operation in the year before his election.

    We can also reveal that:

    • The Reform leader received “in kind” benefits ranging from his back office to his private security, staff, transport and accommodation.
    • Cottrell recruited and paid three staff to transform Farage’s social media presence, producing content on immigration, human rights law and political correctness, and that promoted Reform.
    • Cottrell has been involved in a crypto-gambling platform implicated in illegal betting in the UK.
    • Two men — a friend of Cottrell’s and a Reform employee — owned UK companies which allowed illicit payments originally from or destined for the platform, which did not have a legally required UK licence.
    • Since the election Cottrell has let Farage use a five-storey house he rents on a street near Buckingham Palace. His lawyer said: “As a close friend, our client did, and does, allow Mr Farage to stay in our client’s rental property.”
    • The convict has applied for a presidential pardon in the US, where he pleaded guilty to wire fraud.
    • Cottrell received an £8.5 million Chelsea property from the billionaire Reform treasurer Nick Candy in the last year. Land Registry documents say the price paid was zero. Candy said Cottrell paid him by buying shares in an offshore Guernsey company but would not specify the value of the transaction.

    The code of conduct says MPs must disclose any benefit which “might reasonably be thought by others to influence [their] actions or words” on their register of interests. Its “overall aim” is to protect democracy by upholding the highest levels of transparency.

    It says MPs must declare any gifts, benefits and hospitality” received in the year preceding their election and which relate “in any way” to their “political activities”. The exception is “purely personal” gifts, such as presents from family. Even then, the code says “both the possible motive of the giver and the use [of the gift] should be considered”, clarifying: “If there is any doubt, the benefit should be registered.”

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/revealed-nigel-farage-secretly-funded-by-convicted-criminal-j0brtrlnk

    Having been teflon for so long I am starting to think that Farage's corruption may finally have destroyed him. How will Reform fare without him?
    What is increasingly certain is that Reform are not going to form or lead the next government and Farage is finished. And there is an end to major figures leaping to Reform from the Tories. And figures like Kruger and Montgomerie are looking wan and sad.

    Reform are likely to collapse. How many of their erstwhile supporters go to Kemi and how many to Restore? Might decide the largest party after the next election.
    Have to say while I accept for Conservatives like you and @algarkirk the end of Reform can't come soon enough, the fact remains they are still leading the polls and winning local council by-election seats including from the Conservatives.

    People have written off Farage and rather like (you can add your own analogy), he keeps coming back. Perhaps this time he will be done but I'm not convinced.

    There's also the small matter of the assumption somehow all the Reform vote will head Kemi's way - again, I'm not convinced.
    All the reform vote will not return to the conservatives but some will and it depends on how many

    Straws in the wind of conservatives rowing in behind Kemi, with Rees Mogg this week and interestingly Kemi receiving advice from previous conservative pms [ not Truss] and leaders including Cameron and Boris

    Three years to go and a lot of ground to make up but I do expect Kemi to crossover with reform in the next 12 months
    If she does crossover to Reform that would be a bombshell and a half.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,843

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    Leigh Lobbygobblers actually won a game.
    Andy's on a roll.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,334
    edited July 4

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    Like the good old days, though hopefully not pissing on the back of the person in front like the bad old days...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,845

    stodge said:

    DavidL said:

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Revealed: Nigel Farage secretly funded by convicted criminal

    The Reform UK leader did not declare benefits including staff, security and housing by crypto-gambler George Cottrell, our investigation reveals


    ...Farage appears to have broken MPs’ rules by failing to declare that Cottrell provided funding for his operation in the year before his election.

    We can also reveal that:

    • The Reform leader received “in kind” benefits ranging from his back office to his private security, staff, transport and accommodation.
    • Cottrell recruited and paid three staff to transform Farage’s social media presence, producing content on immigration, human rights law and political correctness, and that promoted Reform.
    • Cottrell has been involved in a crypto-gambling platform implicated in illegal betting in the UK.
    • Two men — a friend of Cottrell’s and a Reform employee — owned UK companies which allowed illicit payments originally from or destined for the platform, which did not have a legally required UK licence.
    • Since the election Cottrell has let Farage use a five-storey house he rents on a street near Buckingham Palace. His lawyer said: “As a close friend, our client did, and does, allow Mr Farage to stay in our client’s rental property.”
    • The convict has applied for a presidential pardon in the US, where he pleaded guilty to wire fraud.
    • Cottrell received an £8.5 million Chelsea property from the billionaire Reform treasurer Nick Candy in the last year. Land Registry documents say the price paid was zero. Candy said Cottrell paid him by buying shares in an offshore Guernsey company but would not specify the value of the transaction.

    The code of conduct says MPs must disclose any benefit which “might reasonably be thought by others to influence [their] actions or words” on their register of interests. Its “overall aim” is to protect democracy by upholding the highest levels of transparency.

    It says MPs must declare any gifts, benefits and hospitality” received in the year preceding their election and which relate “in any way” to their “political activities”. The exception is “purely personal” gifts, such as presents from family. Even then, the code says “both the possible motive of the giver and the use [of the gift] should be considered”, clarifying: “If there is any doubt, the benefit should be registered.”

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/revealed-nigel-farage-secretly-funded-by-convicted-criminal-j0brtrlnk

    Having been teflon for so long I am starting to think that Farage's corruption may finally have destroyed him. How will Reform fare without him?
    What is increasingly certain is that Reform are not going to form or lead the next government and Farage is finished. And there is an end to major figures leaping to Reform from the Tories. And figures like Kruger and Montgomerie are looking wan and sad.

    Reform are likely to collapse. How many of their erstwhile supporters go to Kemi and how many to Restore? Might decide the largest party after the next election.
    Have to say while I accept for Conservatives like you and @algarkirk the end of Reform can't come soon enough, the fact remains they are still leading the polls and winning local council by-election seats including from the Conservatives.

    People have written off Farage and rather like (you can add your own analogy), he keeps coming back. Perhaps this time he will be done but I'm not convinced.

    There's also the small matter of the assumption somehow all the Reform vote will head Kemi's way - again, I'm not convinced.
    All the reform vote will not return to the conservatives but some will and it depends on how many

    Straws in the wind of conservatives rowing in behind Kemi, with Rees Mogg this week and interestingly Kemi receiving advice from previous conservative pms [ not Truss] and leaders including Cameron and Boris

    Three years to go and a lot of ground to make up but I do expect Kemi to crossover with reform in the next 12 months
    If she does crossover to Reform that would be a bombshell and a half.
    She'd be a definite improvement on the ex-Cons they've picked up so far though.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,350

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    I'd ban alcohol at rugby matches too. Some tw@t carrying four pints for him and his mates, climbing the stairs at the Principality, turns at the roar for a try and drops all four pints over the nearest convenient head. It wouldn't have been so bad if it had been me, but my wife was the head in question. "Sorry but" addressed to me didn't help.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,607
    viewcode said:

    carnforth said:

    Add a sentence to tell us what the link is, Big G!
    Reform 26 [-1]
    Labour 20 [-1]
    Conservative 19 [+2]

    Highest Conservative vote share since April 2025
    Shouldn't that be

    Reform 26 [-1]
    Labour 20 [0]
    Conservative 19 [+1]

    ...or am I missing something?

    https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/voting-intention-1st-july-2026/
    Reform UK continues to lead voting intention on 26%. Labour is on 20%, while the Conservatives rise to 19% (their highest score since April 2025). The Greens stand on 14% and the Liberal Democrats on 11%.

    https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/voting-intention-17th-june-2026/
    Reform UK continues to lead voting intention on 27%, despite falling two points since earlier this month. Labour remains on 20%, while the Conservatives have edged up to 18%. The Greens stand on 14% and the Liberal Democrats on 12%.
    24th - 26th June figures

    Reform 26
    Labour 21
    Conservative 17

    Looks as if reform is the same
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,607

    carnforth said:

    Add a sentence to tell us what the link is, Big G!
    Reform 26 [-1]
    Labour 20 [-1]
    Conservative 19 [+2]

    Highest Conservative vote share since April 2025
    Highest share with this pollster, not overall.
    Yes - that is their quote
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,541

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    I'd ban alcohol at rugby matches too. Some tw@t carrying four pints for him and his mates, climbing the stairs at the Principality, turns at the roar for a try and drops all four pints over the nearest convenient head. It wouldn't have been so bad if it had been me, but my wife was the head in question. "Sorry but" addressed to me didn't help.
    Yes but imagine if alcohol was banned and instead he was carrying four pints of kefir or spicy tomato juice.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,504
    I thought that was what the £5m bung was supposed to be for ?

    Nigel Farage appears to have breached MP rules after failing to declare that convicted criminal George Cottrell paid for his staff, security and social media output before 2024 election
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2073495527358959758
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,845
    Nigelb said:

    I thought that was what the £5m bung was supposed to be for ?

    Nigel Farage appears to have breached MP rules after failing to declare that convicted criminal George Cottrell paid for his staff, security and social media output before 2024 election
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2073495527358959758

    Could be worse, could be the convicted criminal Donald Trump.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 836

    Ballot Box Scotland’s analysis of the Peterhead South by-election.
    https://ballotbox.scot/result-peterhead-south/

    Fair assessment. Reform are very transfer unfriendly both in receiving second pref votes and giving them out. I think if the by election was 5 weeks earlier Reform would have had a stronger lead over the Tories and would likely have finished second overall. Ultimately Reform have been a gift to Mr Swinney and helped them retain Banff and some other Aberdeenshire seats in May.

    Expect Mr Offord will come under more pressure on his leadership once MSPs summer playtime is over
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,267

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    Why is it allowed at the rugger and cricket but not the football ?
    Are football fans considered to be uniquely uncouth or something ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,504
    edited July 4
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    I thought that was what the £5m bung was supposed to be for ?

    Nigel Farage appears to have breached MP rules after failing to declare that convicted criminal George Cottrell paid for his staff, security and social media output before 2024 election
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2073495527358959758

    Could be worse, could be the convicted criminal Donald Trump.
    Love the response.

    Reform UK said: "It comes as no surprise that The Sunday Times has chosen to publish this baseless and contrived story, covering a period of time when Nigel Farage was not even an active politician, let alone an elected one, given that the newspaper backed the Labour Party at the last general election. Contrary to the story’s tone, no parliamentary rules have been broken...
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2073495901763490054

    But yes, Trump would have been worse still.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,969
    Pulpstar said:

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    Why is it allowed at the rugger and cricket but not the football ?
    Are football fans considered to be uniquely uncouth or something ?
    Er, yep.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,152
    edited July 4

    viewcode said:

    carnforth said:

    Add a sentence to tell us what the link is, Big G!
    Reform 26 [-1]
    Labour 20 [-1]
    Conservative 19 [+2]

    Highest Conservative vote share since April 2025
    Shouldn't that be

    Reform 26 [-1]
    Labour 20 [0]
    Conservative 19 [+1]

    ...or am I missing something?

    https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/voting-intention-1st-july-2026/
    Reform UK continues to lead voting intention on 26%. Labour is on 20%, while the Conservatives rise to 19% (their highest score since April 2025). The Greens stand on 14% and the Liberal Democrats on 11%.

    https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/voting-intention-17th-june-2026/
    Reform UK continues to lead voting intention on 27%, despite falling two points since earlier this month. Labour remains on 20%, while the Conservatives have edged up to 18%. The Greens stand on 14% and the Liberal Democrats on 12%.
    24th - 26th June figures

    Reform 26
    Labour 21
    Conservative 17

    Looks as if reform is the same
    Ah I see. The report for 24-26Jun was issued on the 27th. The report did not contain the VI, but the data tables did

    https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/voting-intention-24th-june-2026/
    https://www.opinium.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/VI-2026-06-24-Opinium-Observer-Web-Data-Tables-1733.xlsx

    So I did miss something (my bad) but in fairness so did Opinium... :)
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,406
    Pulpstar said:

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    Why is it allowed at the rugger and cricket but not the football ?
    Are football fans considered to be uniquely uncouth or something ?
    As a football hater I'd say that is objectively the case.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,420
    Pulpstar said:

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    Why is it allowed at the rugger and cricket but not the football ?
    Are football fans considered to be uniquely uncouth or something ?
    Yes, look at the history of hooliganism in association football versus the (non) history of hooliganism in rugby football.

    The latter doesn't need segregated seating.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,267
    edited July 4
    Enjoyed watching the Argentina-Scotland highlights package
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,350
    MelonB said:

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    I'd ban alcohol at rugby matches too. Some tw@t carrying four pints for him and his mates, climbing the stairs at the Principality, turns at the roar for a try and drops all four pints over the nearest convenient head. It wouldn't have been so bad if it had been me, but my wife was the head in question. "Sorry but" addressed to me didn't help.
    Yes but imagine if alcohol was banned and instead he was carrying four pints of kefir or spicy tomato juice.
    They wouldn't be up and down every five minutes for a Jimmy Riddle after ten pints of Kefir.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,607
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    carnforth said:

    Add a sentence to tell us what the link is, Big G!
    Reform 26 [-1]
    Labour 20 [-1]
    Conservative 19 [+2]

    Highest Conservative vote share since April 2025
    Shouldn't that be

    Reform 26 [-1]
    Labour 20 [0]
    Conservative 19 [+1]

    ...or am I missing something?

    https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/voting-intention-1st-july-2026/
    Reform UK continues to lead voting intention on 26%. Labour is on 20%, while the Conservatives rise to 19% (their highest score since April 2025). The Greens stand on 14% and the Liberal Democrats on 11%.

    https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/voting-intention-17th-june-2026/
    Reform UK continues to lead voting intention on 27%, despite falling two points since earlier this month. Labour remains on 20%, while the Conservatives have edged up to 18%. The Greens stand on 14% and the Liberal Democrats on 12%.
    24th - 26th June figures

    Reform 26
    Labour 21
    Conservative 17

    Looks as if reform is the same
    Ah I see. The report for 24-26Jun was issued on the 27th. The report did not contain the VI, but the data tables did

    https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/voting-intention-24th-june-2026/
    https://www.opinium.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/VI-2026-06-24-Opinium-Observer-Web-Data-Tables-1733.xlsx

    So I did miss something (my bad) but in fairness so did Opinium... :)
    No problem as they did do one [24-26] between their usual fortnight
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,690
    edited July 4

    stodge said:

    DavidL said:

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Revealed: Nigel Farage secretly funded by convicted criminal

    The Reform UK leader did not declare benefits including staff, security and housing by crypto-gambler George Cottrell, our investigation reveals


    ...Farage appears to have broken MPs’ rules by failing to declare that Cottrell provided funding for his operation in the year before his election.

    We can also reveal that:

    • The Reform leader received “in kind” benefits ranging from his back office to his private security, staff, transport and accommodation.
    • Cottrell recruited and paid three staff to transform Farage’s social media presence, producing content on immigration, human rights law and political correctness, and that promoted Reform.
    • Cottrell has been involved in a crypto-gambling platform implicated in illegal betting in the UK.
    • Two men — a friend of Cottrell’s and a Reform employee — owned UK companies which allowed illicit payments originally from or destined for the platform, which did not have a legally required UK licence.
    • Since the election Cottrell has let Farage use a five-storey house he rents on a street near Buckingham Palace. His lawyer said: “As a close friend, our client did, and does, allow Mr Farage to stay in our client’s rental property.”
    • The convict has applied for a presidential pardon in the US, where he pleaded guilty to wire fraud.
    • Cottrell received an £8.5 million Chelsea property from the billionaire Reform treasurer Nick Candy in the last year. Land Registry documents say the price paid was zero. Candy said Cottrell paid him by buying shares in an offshore Guernsey company but would not specify the value of the transaction.

    The code of conduct says MPs must disclose any benefit which “might reasonably be thought by others to influence [their] actions or words” on their register of interests. Its “overall aim” is to protect democracy by upholding the highest levels of transparency.

    It says MPs must declare any gifts, benefits and hospitality” received in the year preceding their election and which relate “in any way” to their “political activities”. The exception is “purely personal” gifts, such as presents from family. Even then, the code says “both the possible motive of the giver and the use [of the gift] should be considered”, clarifying: “If there is any doubt, the benefit should be registered.”

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/revealed-nigel-farage-secretly-funded-by-convicted-criminal-j0brtrlnk

    Having been teflon for so long I am starting to think that Farage's corruption may finally have destroyed him. How will Reform fare without him?
    What is increasingly certain is that Reform are not going to form or lead the next government and Farage is finished. And there is an end to major figures leaping to Reform from the Tories. And figures like Kruger and Montgomerie are looking wan and sad.

    Reform are likely to collapse. How many of their erstwhile supporters go to Kemi and how many to Restore? Might decide the largest party after the next election.
    Have to say while I accept for Conservatives like you and @algarkirk the end of Reform can't come soon enough, the fact remains they are still leading the polls and winning local council by-election seats including from the Conservatives.

    People have written off Farage and rather like (you can add your own analogy), he keeps coming back. Perhaps this time he will be done but I'm not convinced.

    There's also the small matter of the assumption somehow all the Reform vote will head Kemi's way - again, I'm not convinced.
    All the reform vote will not return to the conservatives but some will and it depends on how many

    Straws in the wind of conservatives rowing in behind Kemi, with Rees Mogg this week and interestingly Kemi receiving advice from previous conservative pms [ not Truss] and leaders including Cameron and Boris

    Three years to go and a lot of ground to make up but I do expect Kemi to crossover with reform in the next 12 months
    "All the reform vote will not return to the conservatives"

    That's partly because a lot of it didn't come from the Conservatives in the first place. Both ex-Labour and ex-non-voters make up the ranks.

    So a Reform collapse should give Labour a boost too, albeit smaller than the Tory boost.
    Whilst I agree with you to some extent, I think the biggest boost will be to 'none of the above'. Just because Reform support drops doesn't mean the things that drove people away from Labour are all suddenly forgotten. Sadly I can see Restore improving its polling a little but would not be surprised to see no appreciably improvement in Labour support.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,945

    Pulpstar said:

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    Why is it allowed at the rugger and cricket but not the football ?
    Are football fans considered to be uniquely uncouth or something ?
    Er, yep.

    But it's now for a different reason to the bad old days. Alcohol was permitted in the stands at the Champions League final. I had a split second of joy when Havertz scored but then knew what was coming. Thankfully I wasn't completely soaked, but the last thing I want is some twat doing it on a cold Tuesday night at Portman Road.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,334
    Pulpstar said:

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    Why is it allowed at the rugger and cricket but not the football ?
    Are football fans considered to be uniquely uncouth or something ?
    As a footbal fan with season ticket: it's a fair cop.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,350
    Nigelb said:

    I thought that was what the £5m bung was supposed to be for ?

    Nigel Farage appears to have breached MP rules after failing to declare that convicted criminal George Cottrell paid for his staff, security and social media output before 2024 election
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2073495527358959758

    How do these grifters keep getting bucket loads of buckshee cash from other grifters? What am I doing wrong?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,494

    Pulpstar said:

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    Why is it allowed at the rugger and cricket but not the football ?
    Are football fans considered to be uniquely uncouth or something ?
    Yes, look at the history of hooliganism in association football versus the (non) history of hooliganism in rugby football.

    The latter doesn't need segregated seating.
    But why does Burnham say only top leagues? If you can't afford a pricey ticket you don't deserve or can't be trusted to drink?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,420
    edited July 4
    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    Why is it allowed at the rugger and cricket but not the football ?
    Are football fans considered to be uniquely uncouth or something ?
    Yes, look at the history of hooliganism in association football versus the (non) history of hooliganism in rugby football.

    The latter doesn't need segregated seating.
    But why does Burnham say only top leagues? If you can't afford a pricey ticket you don't deserve or can't be trusted to drink?
    The ban only applies to the top five tiers of English football.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,690
    By the way, isn't TSE's page title incorrect?

    Surely it should be 'Ungrateful Tax Dodging Colonials'
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,730

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    Football fans in the top leagues can drink alcohol in their seats, so long as they're in the Directors Box or -indeed- in any expensive hospitality box.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,420

    By the way, isn't TSE's page title incorrect?

    Surely it should be 'Ungrateful Tax Dodging Colonials'

    The original version was

    'Happy Treason Day you bunch of ungrateful tax dodging colonials/The day we decided we'd rather have India.'
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,420
    The theocrats in Iran America are talking about providence.

    It is impossible to review the events of the last decade and conclude that it is anything other than divine providence that Donald J. Trump is the President of the United States on the year of America 250, July 4th, 2026.

    https://x.com/StephenM/status/2073407087996969117
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,247

    The theocrats in Iran America are talking about providence.

    It is impossible to review the events of the last decade and conclude that it is anything other than divine providence that Donald J. Trump is the President of the United States on the year of America 250, July 4th, 2026.

    https://x.com/StephenM/status/2073407087996969117

    Proof that God is a sadist.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,086

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    A rare sight of a liberalising policy.

    I assume it'll be very unpopular.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,420

    The theocrats in Iran America are talking about providence.

    It is impossible to review the events of the last decade and conclude that it is anything other than divine providence that Donald J. Trump is the President of the United States on the year of America 250, July 4th, 2026.

    https://x.com/StephenM/status/2073407087996969117

    Proof that God is a sadist.
    You know which other leader also believed in divine providence?

    Most famously he was convinced FDR dying was divine providence to help Germany.

    Narrator: 18 days later Adolf Hitler committed suicide as the Soviets were about to take Berlin.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,420
    edited July 4
    Ratters said:

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    A rare sight of a liberalising policy.

    I assume it'll be very unpopular.
    The match going football fans on PB aren't supportive of this policy change.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,418
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    I thought that was what the £5m bung was supposed to be for ?

    Nigel Farage appears to have breached MP rules after failing to declare that convicted criminal George Cottrell paid for his staff, security and social media output before 2024 election
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2073495527358959758

    Could be worse, could be the convicted criminal Donald Trump.
    Love the response.

    Reform UK said: "It comes as no surprise that The Sunday Times has chosen to publish this baseless and contrived story, covering a period of time when Nigel Farage was not even an active politician, let alone an elected one, given that the newspaper backed the Labour Party at the last general election. Contrary to the story’s tone, no parliamentary rules have been broken...
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2073495901763490054

    But yes, Trump would have been worse still.
    I am surprised Farage has been this stupid.

    I wonder if this will delay the parliamentary investigation into the £5 million?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,494

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    Why is it allowed at the rugger and cricket but not the football ?
    Are football fans considered to be uniquely uncouth or something ?
    Yes, look at the history of hooliganism in association football versus the (non) history of hooliganism in rugby football.

    The latter doesn't need segregated seating.
    But why does Burnham say only top leagues? If you can't afford a pricey ticket you don't deserve or can't be trusted to drink?
    The ban only applies to the top five tiers of English football.
    I had no idea! Ta.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,420
    edited July 4
    Formula 1 president Stefano Domenicali has confirmed the sport’s bosses are hoping to be able to restore either the Bahrain or Saudi Arabian Grand Prix.

    https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13560321/formula-1-f1-boss-stefano-domenicali-reveals-hope-to-restore-cancelled-middle-east-race-to-2026-calendar
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,969

    Eddy Elfenbein
    @EddyElfenbein

    "King George is a total loser and nobody likes him. He's completely crazy and a failure. Crazy George. That's his name now. Crazy George." - Thomas Jefferson, first draft

    https://x.com/EddyElfenbein/status/2073197628641182078
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,086

    Ratters said:

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    A rare sight of a liberalising policy.

    I assume it'll be very unpopular.
    The match going football fans on PB aren't supportive of this policy change.
    I admit I don't go to football matches.

    But speaking from rugby, I'd be surprised if many people manage to get more than one pint per half allowing for queues. Presumably some of said people already try to get a quick one at half time or before the match.

    I'm not sure it'd have a meaningful impact on bad behaviour. But perhaps doing trials would be sensible before a wholesale change. Start somewhere more civilised rather than diving straight into the deep end.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,974

    By the way, isn't TSE's page title incorrect?

    Surely it should be 'Ungrateful Tax Dodging Colonials'

    The original version was

    'Happy Treason Day you bunch of ungrateful tax dodging colonials/The day we decided we'd rather have India.'
    I read the thread title in the gangster Home Alone "Merry Christmas ya filthy animal" voice.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,637
    Go Paraguay.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,504


    Eddy Elfenbein
    @EddyElfenbein

    "King George is a total loser and nobody likes him. He's completely crazy and a failure. Crazy George. That's his name now. Crazy George." - Thomas Jefferson, first draft

    https://x.com/EddyElfenbein/status/2073197628641182078

    Odd that our king started publishing his tax returns around the same time the U.S. president stopped.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,748
    They are really flogging it. I wonder how many TV licences the Beeb has sold through the QR code...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,637

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    I'd ban alcohol at rugby matches too. Some tw@t carrying four pints for him and his mates, climbing the stairs at the Principality, turns at the roar for a try and drops all four pints over the nearest convenient head. It wouldn't have been so bad if it had been me, but my wife was the head in question. "Sorry but" addressed to me didn't help.
    Alcohol will never be banned at cricket matches, thank goodness.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,702
    Ratters said:

    Ratters said:

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    A rare sight of a liberalising policy.

    I assume it'll be very unpopular.
    The match going football fans on PB aren't supportive of this policy change.
    I admit I don't go to football matches.

    But speaking from rugby, I'd be surprised if many people manage to get more than one pint per half allowing for queues. Presumably some of said people already try to get a quick one at half time or before the match.

    I'm not sure it'd have a meaningful impact on bad behaviour. But perhaps doing trials would be sensible before a wholesale change. Start somewhere more civilised rather than diving straight into the deep end.
    Bath has a pretty good system. Pints are pre poured at the back of the bar and handed over to the till operators. Long queue goes really quickly if you are not waiting for the beers to be poured. And they sell two pint queu busters. And have trays for four pints.
    The bigger issue is the toilets...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,166

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    What a depressing indictment of British politics.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,969
    Every time we all think old media is dead it comes back with old fashioned newspaper journalism and goes 'Oh yeh?'



    Gabriel Pogrund
    @Gabriel_Pogrund

    Replying to @Gabriel_Pogrund @willroe2 and 3 others

    Sunday Times splash tonight ft @ManuMidolo @venetiamenzies @GeorgeGreenwood

    https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/2073518827602629017
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,637
    edited July 4
    Sounds like Burnham is making a concerted effort to do and say things that Starmer would never have done or said in a million years, such as this alcohol at football matches idea.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,420
    Fuck VAR!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,280
    1-0 France

    Mbappe penalty
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,068
    Curses.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,969
    edited July 4
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,267
    Andy_JS said:

    Go Paraguay.

    The filthiest most fouling team of the whole world cup ? No thanks.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,420
    Pulpstar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Go Paraguay.

    The filthiest most fouling team of the whole world cup ? No thanks.
    It's okay if it is against France.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,280

    Pulpstar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Go Paraguay.

    The filthiest most fouling team of the whole world cup ? No thanks.
    It's okay if it is against France.
    Today we should remember the role of France in helping the Septics win their Independence.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,280
    10 minutes' injury time!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,923
    Olise's another one who could be playing for England.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,637
    This is surely the worst refereeing we've seen so far during this competition.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,697
    AnneJGP said:

    The most striking polling result to me is the different reaction to Trump's first and second terms. Besides the Covid period - when Trump's manifest failings became all the more obvious - people's opinion of the US was not overwhelmingly negative, and not obviously damaged by the Trump presidency, but in the second term, the reaction has been much more negative. I think this is consistent with Trump's second term being much more damaging than his first, and it's interesting to see evidence of opinion reacting to things that happen, rather than being fixed in 2016.

    Seems to me a mistake to imagine things returning to how they were once Mr Trump leaves office. Trust has been damaged, and that takes quite a while to rebuild, if it ever can be rebuilt.
    I would tend to agree, but just to be contrary, if Trump is followed by an anti-Trump there will be a lot of relief from the rest of the world and a willingness to try to forget that Trump ever existed.

    We saw something along those lines when Obama replaced Bush II.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,697
    edited July 4
    Pulpstar said:

    Andy Burnham can get in the sea.

    NEW Andy Burnham says he wants to change laws to allow football fans in the top leagues to drink alcohol in their seats like rugby fans… 👇⚽️⚽️🥅

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2073489898544181486

    Why is it allowed at the rugger and cricket but not the football ?
    Are football fans considered to be uniquely uncouth or something ?
    My wife quoted me something today.

    "Soccer is a gentlemen's game played by hooligans.
    Rugby is a hooligan's game played by gentlemen.
    GAA is a hooligan's game played by hooligans."

    I don't know if you're allowed to drink alcohol in your seat at a GAA match, but I'd guess most violence problems are caused by cocaine use these days.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,750
    Sandpit said:

    Red Arrows over New York.


    They must have been salty that they got the sideshow (NYC flyover) and Patrouille de France got the main event (DC flyover).
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,750
    algarkirk said:

    Next time you are inclined to think defence spending shouldn't be increased/Russia isn't a threat, remember this.

    Russia planning attack on Poland to test Nato resolve, US warns

    Critical infrastructure could be targeted by missiles and drones, with soldiers potentially crossing the border from Kaliningrad or Belarus


    Russia is planning an armed “provocation” on Polish soil to test Nato’s resolve, the United States has warned.

    Polish critical infrastructure could be targeted by missiles and drones or Russian soldiers could cross the border into Nato territory.

    Washington has issued several warnings to Warsaw about the plot, sources close to Karol Nawrocki, the Polish president, told Onet, the Polish news outlet, which, along with The Telegraph, is owned by Axel Springer and is part of its Global Reporters Network.

    The goal of the Russian provocation would be to escalate tensions and force Western allies to suspend aid to Ukraine. It could be launched in a matter of months.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/85bd86993903ea8b

    Four 'coulds' and a 'would' in that short passage. To say nothing of a 'sources close' and a 'potentially'. I can't identify a single claim of an actual fact.
    It's fucking idiotic and you'd have to be a fucking idiot to believe it. However, it is the Telegraph so that shouldn't need to be stated.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,697
    Maybe I'm too late to comment on the Taylor Swift wedding, but I was musing about the claim that the amount spent on a wedding is inversely correlated with the longevity of the marriage.

    I think this must be a British thing.

    My second wedding (nearly twelve years now) was a much larger and more expensive affair than my first (divorce papers sent less than three years in) but almost entirely because it was an Irish wedding, rather than because either of us wanted a big wedding.

    I remember my wife-to-be being upset and frustrated at being told by her parents that she had to extend invitations to particular people because, "they would expect to be invited."

    This is an example of how communities are generally stronger and extended families more involved in Ireland than in Britain, and so a large number is guests is a sign of stronger communities, rather than status (and a larger wedding often pays for itself, as cash gifts are standard, so weddings also operate as a sort of savings and loan system where you pay for your wedding gradually in the gifts you give to people at their weddings, which you then receive back at your own).

    So, Taylor Swift's large wedding invite list can be seen as her posting her dues to her community, and building relationships with people who will be important to her in the future. The people who were invited to the wedding can definitely be said to be the people who matter in showbiz, and so receiving an invite creates a subtle bond of obligation between the guest and the bride.

    Where I think Taylor Swift made a mistake was in shutting out completely her fans. They're part of her community too, and she should have done the equivalent of the Royal thing of appearing at the Buckingham Palace balcony for a kiss. Surprisingly, in this respect, you'd have to say that the Royal PR is much better than Taylor Swift's.
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