I couldn't get invested in England playing football before today. But I picked my daughter up earlier from a friend of hers whose mother said she couldn't stand watching England play because of all the flags. When I looked less than instantly comprehending, she elaborated that they're probably all Reform voters. This struck me as such an arse-clenchingly sub-Comment-is-Free everything-is-racist view that I have now become quite keen on England staying in this thing a bit longer. I mean - ours aren't the only fans whi have flags, surely?
She has it completely bottom about face. A World Cup run will bring people of all races together.
The more people like her despise the England flag the more the right will try to claim it. It's pathetic. Just like Emily Thornberry. For years pubs could get an extension for St Patrick's but not St George's. Too many despise the English identity.
Always the same story: FRITLF, the far right is the left's fault.
Why does this narrative only go one way? Why are the offhand comments of a lefty at the school gate such a trigger, yet the thuggish behaviour of extremists on the right isn't going to create a terrifying backlash?
Why the double standards? Tommy and friends behave how they want and we need to respect them and avoid provocation; but lefty woman sounds off about flags and she's going to reap the whirlwind.
This is what the far right does: rule by fear. Don't provoke them. Ooh no. Or else.
My history's a little hazy, Cassius, but didn't thr BNP and NF use the Union flag and NOT the St George's cross?
They did, but back then they had little or no influence over politics. Things change.
I am quite keen on the cross of St George. Cross flags look good (offset is better). But it's impossible to deny the connotations the flag now has, just as it's impossible to ignore the undercurrents when you see a Palestine flag. Political semiotics.
If a school mum is intimidated by it, isn't that a problem we need to address, rather than dismiss?
We should address it by reasonable people reclaiming the imagery. It can only become a shibboleth of the far right if everyone else abandons it. They can have their crappy swastikas, akd they can argue with the far left over the clenched fist. But the flag is mine and yours and kinabalu's. We should cherish it as people in other nations cherish theirs. We may have a crappy national anthem but our flag is actually quite good.
The national anthem is fine. Upper tier in world terms.
It is a dirge. And it isn't even an English anthem. Get rid.
Vindaloo would fire up the lads.
God save … is awful. And in ‘Land of Hope and Glory’ we have a tune to hand that would trump the Marseillaise, and written by our greatest composer to boot. Use it ffs.
Land of Hope and Glory is better than God Save the [Monarch].
Jerusalem, like The Star Spangled Banner, is basically impossible to sing.
Both are well within my vocal range.
I can't manage Land of Hope and Glory in either my tenor or counter tenor ranges. It wasn't written for voice.
Jerusalem was, but it does require a decent range and these days people aren't taught to sing properly with their head voice for the high notes.
As a tenor it's fine (actually for me it's the low B on desire that is too low) but for a proper bass or alto the E is a noyt high but the range should fit most people's voices
Until Farage has an answer to why the took the £5m, his reputation is down the crapper. He hasn't found one yet. His tone to "friends" suggests he doesn't see one that will convince.
It is almost impossible to underestimate the impact of Farage being effectively out of UK politics by the next election.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Maybe - but this guy is supposedly the horse whisper of the white working class van man and there is no way this kind of grifting shit and trying to hide it would go down well in any local wetherspoons.
He's losing his touch imho.
Oh I agree totally but it may be why it slipped his mind.
And he had an easy ride up to now, and got away with a lot of other stuff (e.g. houses, until now being revisited)
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Even if that is it I feel like even in that circle they'd know what a 'small' gift still creates an obligation toward the person giving it. Indeed, sometimes the very wealthy can be the meanest, least generous of types when it comes to giving out money.
Farage has been bought and sold, whether he and the chap who gave him the money believe otherwise - he's never going to do anything that would ever upset such a good friend.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Eh? 7% of the UK population attended public schools but even the wealthiest 1% in the UK only have a net worth of £3,121,500 or more. So even for most of those who went to public schools and worked in the City, £5 million is still a lot of money
I couldn't get invested in England playing football before today. But I picked my daughter up earlier from a friend of hers whose mother said she couldn't stand watching England play because of all the flags. When I looked less than instantly comprehending, she elaborated that they're probably all Reform voters. This struck me as such an arse-clenchingly sub-Comment-is-Free everything-is-racist view that I have now become quite keen on England staying in this thing a bit longer. I mean - ours aren't the only fans whi have flags, surely?
She has it completely bottom about face. A World Cup run will bring people of all races together.
The more people like her despise the England flag the more the right will try to claim it. It's pathetic. Just like Emily Thornberry. For years pubs could get an extension for St Patrick's but not St George's. Too many despise the English identity.
Always the same story: FRITLF, the far right is the left's fault.
Why does this narrative only go one way? Why are the offhand comments of a lefty at the school gate such a trigger, yet the thuggish behaviour of extremists on the right isn't going to create a terrifying backlash?
Why the double standards? Tommy and friends behave how they want and we need to respect them and avoid provocation; but lefty woman sounds off about flags and she's going to reap the whirlwind.
This is what the far right does: rule by fear. Don't provoke them. Ooh no. Or else.
My history's a little hazy, Cassius, but didn't thr BNP and NF use the Union flag and NOT the St George's cross?
They did, but back then they had little or no influence over politics. Things change.
I am quite keen on the cross of St George. Cross flags look good (offset is better). But it's impossible to deny the connotations the flag now has, just as it's impossible to ignore the undercurrents when you see a Palestine flag. Political semiotics.
If a school mum is intimidated by it, isn't that a problem we need to address, rather than dismiss?
She isn’t intimidated by it. She's using her disdain for it as an opportunity to illicit affirmation of her vapid left wing political sympathies from her peers.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Eh? 7% of the UK population attended public schools but even the wealthiest 1% in the UK only have a net worth of the wealthiest 1% had wealth of at least £3,121,500. So even for most of those who went to public schools and worked in the City, £5 million is still a lot of money
It certainly is, though today's politicians hang about with, or seek to hang about with, billionaires, and that's what they think they are missing out on. The way perfectly successful people in their 20s compare themselves to influencers living the high life in Dubai.
Heck, even Trump, who was an actual billionaire, really did not like how some other billionaires had ten times what he has (Crypto has really aided him there).
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
If he spent any time in his constituency, he'd know that five grand is a lot of money to most of his voters.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Maybe - but this guy is supposedly the horse whisper of the white working class van man and there is no way this kind of grifting shit and trying to hide it would go down well in any local wetherspoons.
He's losing his touch imho.
Plenty of van men are not averse to grifting, so long as they are the ones to benefit.
Lower prices for cash in hand trade etc are not exactly unheard of ...
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Nigel Farage is a fucking peasant.
A few months ago he was convinced the elite wore Rolexes.
The reality is Breitlings, Patek Philippe, etc are worn by the wealthy elite, not Rolexes.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Nigel Farage is a fucking peasant.
A few months ago he was convinced the elite wore Rolexes.
The reality is Breitlings, Patek Philippe, etc are worn by the wealthy elite, not Rolexes.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Nigel Farage is a fucking peasant.
A few months ago he was convinced the elite wore Rolexes.
The reality is Breitlings, Patek Philippe, etc are worn by the wealthy elite, not Rolexes.
My Breitling can be seen from the moon.
A Breitling? Mind you given you clothing choices it makes perfect sense.
Personally I would want a vintage (so smaller) panerai or A. Lange & Söhne
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Eh? 7% of the UK population attended public schools but even the wealthiest 1% in the UK only have a net worth of the wealthiest 1% had wealth of at least £3,121,500. So even for most of those who went to public schools and worked in the City, £5 million is still a lot of money
It certainly is, though today's politicians hang about with, or seek to hang about with, billionaires, and that's what they think they are missing out on. The way perfectly successful people in their 20s compare themselves to influencers living the high life in Dubai.
Heck, even Trump, who was an actual billionaire, really did not like how some other billionaires had ten times what he has (Crypto has really aided him there).
Musk of course as the world's first trillionaire, at least for a time, now even looks down on billionaires. It is all relative of course but anyone who is a multi millionaire is to ordinary peoples' standards rich
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Nigel Farage is a fucking peasant.
A few months ago he was convinced the elite wore Rolexes.
The reality is Breitlings, Patek Philippe, etc are worn by the wealthy elite, not Rolexes.
My Breitling can be seen from the moon.
Surely fancy watches are for the gauche and tacky?* The actually rich don't need such obvious symbols of wealth, they'll buy unnecessarily expensive clothing and furniture which looks ordinary but isn't so they can brag subtly.
*or just bought as an investment, which is sensible I guess, but you can hardly display for boasting points.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Nigel Farage is a fucking peasant.
A few months ago he was convinced the elite wore Rolexes.
The reality is Breitlings, Patek Philippe, etc are worn by the wealthy elite, not Rolexes.
My Breitling can be seen from the moon.
Breitling? You may as well have said Tag.
My Breitling is for every day use, the Hublot is for special occasions.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Maybe - but this guy is supposedly the horse whisper of the white working class van man and there is no way this kind of grifting shit and trying to hide it would go down well in any local wetherspoons.
He's losing his touch imho.
Plenty of van men are not averse to grifting, so long as they are the ones to benefit.
Lower prices for cash in hand trade etc are not exactly unheard of ...
Indeed. But that is a few hundred quid here and there not five million
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Nigel Farage is a fucking peasant.
A few months ago he was convinced the elite wore Rolexes.
The reality is Breitlings, Patek Philippe, etc are worn by the wealthy elite, not Rolexes.
My Breitling can be seen from the moon.
Surely fancy watches are for the gauche and tacky?* The actually rich don't need such obvious symbols of wealth, they'll buy unnecessarily expensive clothing and furniture which looks ordinary but isn't so they can brag subtly.
*or just bought as an investment, which is sensible I guess, but you can hardly display for boasting points.
They are for the modest self effacing people.
The ones which are gauche and tacky are the digital watches by luxury brands.
If I've heard of your watch brand it is average consumer luxury, not proper luxury. I shouldn't even know who a billionaire can somehow pay £5k for a plain t-shirt.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Nigel Farage is a fucking peasant.
A few months ago he was convinced the elite wore Rolexes.
The reality is Breitlings, Patek Philippe, etc are worn by the wealthy elite, not Rolexes.
My Breitling can be seen from the moon.
Breitling? You may as well have said Tag.
My Breitling is for every day use, the Hublot is for special occasions.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Maybe - but this guy is supposedly the horse whisper of the white working class van man and there is no way this kind of grifting shit and trying to hide it would go down well in any local wetherspoons.
He's losing his touch imho.
Plenty of van men are not averse to grifting, so long as they are the ones to benefit.
Lower prices for cash in hand trade etc are not exactly unheard of ...
Failed businesses with HMRC as the biggest creditor, bounce back loans, unexpectedly finding a roof needs replacing while clearing gutters on an old lady's house.... salt of the earth
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Nigel Farage is a fucking peasant.
A few months ago he was convinced the elite wore Rolexes.
The reality is Breitlings, Patek Philippe, etc are worn by the wealthy elite, not Rolexes.
My Breitling can be seen from the moon.
Love the reaction - to be honest I have always felt Mr Farage has always seemed like a person who believed he was more important / wealthy than he really is/was (hence all the dubious MEP expenses / side hustle grifts).
It is interesting to speculate whether he’ll get away with it with the reform voters. For me he screams pound shop ex-PM Johnson. Not as wealthy that he likes to make out and delighted to suck on any chap/chapess who can provide cash to the level he believes he is entitled.
If I've heard of your watch brand it is average consumer luxury, not proper luxury. I shouldn't even know who a billionaire can somehow pay £5k for a plain t-shirt.
I recently bought my eldest a pair of jeans that cost £1,100.
My colleagues and friends who are used to my extravagances and excesses were left shocked, these are the people who say if you look up 'More money than sense' you'll find me.
I'm not a billionaire but a trip to Harrods really does blow your mind.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Maybe - but this guy is supposedly the horse whisper of the white working class van man and there is no way this kind of grifting shit and trying to hide it would go down well in any local wetherspoons.
He's losing his touch imho.
Plenty of van men are not averse to grifting, so long as they are the ones to benefit.
Lower prices for cash in hand trade etc are not exactly unheard of ...
Not even that-
What if Andy Burnham could raise £15bn – without a tax rise?
There's one catch. He'd need to solve the UK’s biggest and least-discussed tax problem.
Almost half of all small business corporation tax isn't being paid - and nobody knows why.
(The only disagreement I have is that we jolly well do know why, it's because detection and enforcement are rubbish. A bit like the broen windows theory of vandalism, the understanding that 'everyone does it' descends into everyone actually doing it. See also the latest from the tenacious Jim Waterson of London Centric;
“Once a scam is invented and people see it, it’s like wildfire, it goes through the country.
“I met [an accountant] at a conference last week... he was literally crying, saying every one of my clients asks me to do this, this and this, which is fraudulent, because… they tell me they’ll move if I don’t.”
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Nigel Farage is a fucking peasant.
A few months ago he was convinced the elite wore Rolexes.
The reality is Breitlings, Patek Philippe, etc are worn by the wealthy elite, not Rolexes.
My Breitling can be seen from the moon.
Breitling? You may as well have said Tag.
My Breitling is for every day use, the Hublot is for special occasions.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Maybe - but this guy is supposedly the horse whisper of the white working class van man and there is no way this kind of grifting shit and trying to hide it would go down well in any local wetherspoons.
He's losing his touch imho.
Plenty of van men are not averse to grifting, so long as they are the ones to benefit.
Lower prices for cash in hand trade etc are not exactly unheard of ...
Indeed. But that is a few hundred quid here and there not five million
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Wasn't that the Theory of Mandy's Repeated Downfalls?
But I guess the key thing is that wealth looks different depending on who you are. For Nigel, five mill isn't that much money- it's a nice gift from a fan, but not life-changing. For someone like Harborne, it's loose change that falls down the sofa. For normies, it's unimaginably huge.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Wasn't that the Theory of Mandy's Repeated Downfalls?
But I guess the key thing is that wealth looks different depending on who you are. For Nigel, five mill isn't that much money- it's a nice gift from a fan, but not life-changing. For someone like Harborne, it's loose change that falls down the sofa. For normies, it's unimaginably huge.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Maybe - but this guy is supposedly the horse whisper of the white working class van man and there is no way this kind of grifting shit and trying to hide it would go down well in any local wetherspoons.
He's losing his touch imho.
Plenty of van men are not averse to grifting, so long as they are the ones to benefit.
Lower prices for cash in hand trade etc are not exactly unheard of ...
Indeed. But that is a few hundred quid here and there not five million
So the objection is about scale, not principle?
Everyone* is a sinner, but can still look down at the really egregious sinning.
Though for Farage I suppose if you are going to sell yourself you might as well get a good price for it.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Wasn't that the Theory of Mandy's Repeated Downfalls?
But I guess the key thing is that wealth looks different depending on who you are. For Nigel, five mill isn't that much money- it's a nice gift from a fan, but not life-changing. For someone like Harborne, it's loose change that falls down the sofa. For normies, it's unimaginably huge.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Nigel Farage is a fucking peasant.
A few months ago he was convinced the elite wore Rolexes.
The reality is Breitlings, Patek Philippe, etc are worn by the wealthy elite, not Rolexes.
My Breitling can be seen from the moon.
Breitling? You may as well have said Tag.
My Breitling is for every day use, the Hublot is for special occasions.
PB getting niche this evening.
I was going to mention Audemars Piguet. Not that I own one mind!
If I've heard of your watch brand it is average consumer luxury, not proper luxury. I shouldn't even know who a billionaire can somehow pay £5k for a plain t-shirt.
I recently bought my eldest a pair of jeans that cost £1,100.
My colleagues and friends who are used to my extravagances and excesses were left shocked, these are the people who say if you look up 'More money than sense' you'll find me.
I'm not a billionaire but a trip to Harrods really does blow your mind.
There was a jacket on sale for £38,000.
I’ve just bought a new tent purely using this post as justification.
If I've heard of your watch brand it is average consumer luxury, not proper luxury. I shouldn't even know who a billionaire can somehow pay £5k for a plain t-shirt.
I recently bought my eldest a pair of jeans that cost £1,100.
My colleagues and friends who are used to my extravagances and excesses were left shocked, these are the people who say if you look up 'More money than sense' you'll find me.
I'm not a billionaire but a trip to Harrods really does blow your mind.
There was a jacket on sale for £38,000.
I’ve just bought a new tent purely using this post as justification.
It’s a Hilleberg, I’m going to move some cash out of the ISA and conceal it from my partner.
If I've heard of your watch brand it is average consumer luxury, not proper luxury. I shouldn't even know who a billionaire can somehow pay £5k for a plain t-shirt.
I recently bought my eldest a pair of jeans that cost £1,100.
My colleagues and friends who are used to my extravagances and excesses were left shocked, these are the people who say if you look up 'More money than sense' you'll find me.
I'm not a billionaire but a trip to Harrods really does blow your mind.
There was a jacket on sale for £38,000.
I’ve just bought a new tent purely using this post as justification.
It’s a Hilleberg, I’m going to move some cash out of the ISA and conceal it from my partner.
Totally justifiable. Just think how many hotel bills it will save...
Though I'm still using a Quasar from the last century.
If I've heard of your watch brand it is average consumer luxury, not proper luxury. I shouldn't even know who a billionaire can somehow pay £5k for a plain t-shirt.
I recently bought my eldest a pair of jeans that cost £1,100.
My colleagues and friends who are used to my extravagances and excesses were left shocked, these are the people who say if you look up 'More money than sense' you'll find me.
I'm not a billionaire but a trip to Harrods really does blow your mind.
There was a jacket on sale for £38,000.
I’ve just bought a new tent purely using this post as justification.
It’s a Hilleberg, I’m going to move some cash out of the ISA and conceal it from my partner.
Totally justifiable. Just think how many hotel bills it will save...
Though I'm still using a Quasar from the last century.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Nigel Farage is a fucking peasant.
A few months ago he was convinced the elite wore Rolexes.
The reality is Breitlings, Patek Philippe, etc are worn by the wealthy elite, not Rolexes.
My Breitling can be seen from the moon.
Breitling? You may as well have said Tag.
My Breitling is for every day use, the Hublot is for special occasions.
PB getting niche this evening.
I was going to mention Audemars Piguet. Not that I own one mind!
I wear a piece of crap from China. It cost £5 off Amazon. When I lose it or break it I will buy another. It has a button I can press to make it light up so I can see what time it is in the dark without disturbing my wife. It kèeps time no worse than any of those above. People who pay shedloads for watches are strange.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Maybe - but this guy is supposedly the horse whisper of the white working class van man and there is no way this kind of grifting shit and trying to hide it would go down well in any local wetherspoons.
He's losing his touch imho.
Plenty of van men are not averse to grifting, so long as they are the ones to benefit.
Lower prices for cash in hand trade etc are not exactly unheard of ...
Not even that-
What if Andy Burnham could raise £15bn – without a tax rise?
There's one catch. He'd need to solve the UK’s biggest and least-discussed tax problem.
Almost half of all small business corporation tax isn't being paid - and nobody knows why.
(The only disagreement I have is that we jolly well do know why, it's because detection and enforcement are rubbish. A bit like the broen windows theory of vandalism, the understanding that 'everyone does it' descends into everyone actually doing it. See also the latest from the tenacious Jim Waterson of London Centric;
“Once a scam is invented and people see it, it’s like wildfire, it goes through the country.
“I met [an accountant] at a conference last week... he was literally crying, saying every one of my clients asks me to do this, this and this, which is fraudulent, because… they tell me they’ll move if I don’t.”
Wonder how much of that was companies only started to get a Bounce Back Loan? Presumably you can't leave corporation tax unpaid for that long, so are these people being allowed to keep starting new companies?
Need to be stricter about disqualifying Directors... I'm still annoyed that the Directors of the company I worked for 20+ years ago escaped sanction despite trading while insolvent, stealing 3 months of employee pension contributions and transferring all the bank overdrafts to a subsidiary in Gibraltar.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Maybe - but this guy is supposedly the horse whisper of the white working class van man and there is no way this kind of grifting shit and trying to hide it would go down well in any local wetherspoons.
He's losing his touch imho.
Plenty of van men are not averse to grifting, so long as they are the ones to benefit.
Lower prices for cash in hand trade etc are not exactly unheard of ...
Not even that-
What if Andy Burnham could raise £15bn – without a tax rise?
There's one catch. He'd need to solve the UK’s biggest and least-discussed tax problem.
Almost half of all small business corporation tax isn't being paid - and nobody knows why.
(The only disagreement I have is that we jolly well do know why, it's because detection and enforcement are rubbish. A bit like the broen windows theory of vandalism, the understanding that 'everyone does it' descends into everyone actually doing it. See also the latest from the tenacious Jim Waterson of London Centric;
“Once a scam is invented and people see it, it’s like wildfire, it goes through the country.
“I met [an accountant] at a conference last week... he was literally crying, saying every one of my clients asks me to do this, this and this, which is fraudulent, because… they tell me they’ll move if I don’t.”
Wonder how much of that was companies only started to get a Bounce Back Loan? Presumably you can't leave corporation tax unpaid for that long, so are these people being allowed to keep starting new companies?
Need to be stricter about disqualifying Directors... I'm still annoyed that the Directors of the company I worked for 20+ years ago escaped sanction despite trading while insolvent, stealing 3 months of employee pension contributions and transferring all the bank overdrafts to a subsidiary in Gibraltar.
It's a fascinating thread, but it doesn't explain the supposed recent rise. Did HMRC used to audit tens of thousands rather than hundreds? He doesn't say.
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Isn't the opposite the usual theory ?
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Nigel Farage is a fucking peasant.
A few months ago he was convinced the elite wore Rolexes.
The reality is Breitlings, Patek Philippe, etc are worn by the wealthy elite, not Rolexes.
My Breitling can be seen from the moon.
Breitling? You may as well have said Tag.
My Breitling is for every day use, the Hublot is for special occasions.
PB getting niche this evening.
I was going to mention Audemars Piguet. Not that I own one mind!
I wear a piece of crap from China. It cost £5 off Amazon. When I lose it or break it I will buy another. It has a button I can press to make it light up so I can see what time it is in the dark without disturbing my wife. It kèeps time no worse than any of those above. People who pay shedloads for watches are strange.
These two games have played out exactly as I predicted. Both teams will be knocked out in next round.
The last time England played at the Azteca wasn't exactly a success - although it was at least memorable...
Everyone knows the first "goal" needed VAR, but I don't think the two footed foul (probably a straight red these days) before the second goal is talked about enough...
NEW: The Times has established that Nigel Farage and his partner own at least five homes spanning Surrey, Essex and Kent.
All but one were bought with cash since 2000. Farage described himself as "skint" in 2017.
Tbf. Buy 5 houses with cash and most of us would be short of a bob.
The grifting will be what gets Nige in the end.
Brits don't like this kind of shit.
I don't see him making the next election to be honest.
I wonder if the reason Farage is surprised about the reaction to his £5m bung, is that, to him, genuinely, it isn't a lot of money, and as a former Public School City Broker he has never moved in circles where it is.
Maybe - but this guy is supposedly the horse whisper of the white working class van man and there is no way this kind of grifting shit and trying to hide it would go down well in any local wetherspoons.
He's losing his touch imho.
Plenty of van men are not averse to grifting, so long as they are the ones to benefit.
Lower prices for cash in hand trade etc are not exactly unheard of ...
Not even that-
What if Andy Burnham could raise £15bn – without a tax rise?
There's one catch. He'd need to solve the UK’s biggest and least-discussed tax problem.
Almost half of all small business corporation tax isn't being paid - and nobody knows why.
(The only disagreement I have is that we jolly well do know why, it's because detection and enforcement are rubbish. A bit like the broen windows theory of vandalism, the understanding that 'everyone does it' descends into everyone actually doing it. See also the latest from the tenacious Jim Waterson of London Centric;
“Once a scam is invented and people see it, it’s like wildfire, it goes through the country.
“I met [an accountant] at a conference last week... he was literally crying, saying every one of my clients asks me to do this, this and this, which is fraudulent, because… they tell me they’ll move if I don’t.”
Wonder how much of that was companies only started to get a Bounce Back Loan? Presumably you can't leave corporation tax unpaid for that long, so are these people being allowed to keep starting new companies?
Need to be stricter about disqualifying Directors... I'm still annoyed that the Directors of the company I worked for 20+ years ago escaped sanction despite trading while insolvent, stealing 3 months of employee pension contributions and transferring all the bank overdrafts to a subsidiary in Gibraltar.
It's a fascinating thread, but it doesn't explain the supposed recent rise. Did HMRC used to audit tens of thousands rather than hundreds? He doesn't say.
1) Phoenixing estimated at £800m 2) Part of it was previously hidden, companies were filing nil/dormant returns while trading and MTD has revealed that
Not in the TPA post suggestions are
1) construction and trades, cash-in-hand, mixing of company and personal expenses 2) Internet retail, overseas retailers posing as UK businesses
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Jerusalem was, but it does require a decent range and these days people aren't taught to sing properly with their head voice for the high notes.
As a tenor it's fine (actually for me it's the low B on desire that is too low) but for a proper bass or alto the E is a noyt high but the range should fit most people's voices
And he had an easy ride up to now, and got away with a lot of other stuff (e.g. houses, until now being revisited)
That Farage has always been in, or wanted to be in, rich circles without actually having that much money himself.
And so too readily accepts gifts from dubious people.
Farage has been bought and sold, whether he and the chap who gave him the money believe otherwise - he's never going to do anything that would ever upset such a good friend.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/privatelyownedwealthintheuk
Heck, even Trump, who was an actual billionaire, really did not like how some other billionaires had ten times what he has (Crypto has really aided him there).
Five million is a beyond-their-dreams fortune.
Lower prices for cash in hand trade etc are not exactly unheard of ...
A few months ago he was convinced the elite wore Rolexes.
The reality is Breitlings, Patek Philippe, etc are worn by the wealthy elite, not Rolexes.
My Breitling can be seen from the moon.
At least Senegal aren't throwing it away through storming off the pitch for a change.
Personally I would want a vintage (so smaller) panerai or A. Lange & Söhne
*or just bought as an investment, which is sensible I guess, but you can hardly display for boasting points.
The ones which are gauche and tacky are the digital watches by luxury brands.
They will lose all their value within 3 years.
PB getting niche this evening.
But it isn't aging well.
It is interesting to speculate whether he’ll get away with it with the reform voters. For me he screams pound shop ex-PM Johnson. Not as wealthy that he likes to make out and delighted to suck on any chap/chapess who can provide cash to the level he believes he is entitled.
My colleagues and friends who are used to my extravagances and excesses were left shocked, these are the people who say if you look up 'More money than sense' you'll find me.
I'm not a billionaire but a trip to Harrods really does blow your mind.
There was a jacket on sale for £38,000.
What if Andy Burnham could raise £15bn – without a tax rise?
There's one catch. He'd need to solve the UK’s biggest and least-discussed tax problem.
Almost half of all small business corporation tax isn't being paid - and nobody knows why.
https://bsky.app/profile/danneidle.bsky.social/post/3mplneh6uqi2w
(The only disagreement I have is that we jolly well do know why, it's because detection and enforcement are rubbish. A bit like the broen windows theory of vandalism, the understanding that 'everyone does it' descends into everyone actually doing it. See also the latest from the tenacious Jim Waterson of London Centric;
“Once a scam is invented and people see it, it’s like wildfire, it goes through the country.
“I met [an accountant] at a conference last week... he was literally crying, saying every one of my clients asks me to do this, this and this, which is fraudulent, because… they tell me they’ll move if I don’t.”
https://www.londoncentric.media/p/who-wants-to-be-the-greens-mayoral
But I guess the key thing is that wealth looks different depending on who you are. For Nigel, five mill isn't that much money- it's a nice gift from a fan, but not life-changing. For someone like Harborne, it's loose change that falls down the sofa. For normies, it's unimaginably huge.
Though for Farage I suppose if you are going to sell yourself you might as well get a good price for it.
*not literally in the case of scamming money
Surely not...
https://x.com/The_Mighty_Mojo/status/2072449607401984067
Though I'm still using a Quasar from the last century.
May be ongoing karma for their past transgressions though.
Clearly hadn't with the VAR review
So either he uses money from a savings account or liquidated some shares/investments etc.
Good penalty Correlation or causation? Massive increase when Bozza becomes PM
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/measuring-tax-gaps/5-tax-gaps-corporation-tax
Wonder how much of that was companies only started to get a Bounce Back Loan?
Presumably you can't leave corporation tax unpaid for that long, so are these people being allowed to keep starting new companies?
Need to be stricter about disqualifying Directors... I'm still annoyed that the Directors of the company I worked for 20+ years ago escaped sanction despite trading while insolvent, stealing 3 months of employee pension contributions and transferring all the bank overdrafts to a subsidiary in Gibraltar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRAbNlPS2MI
He does to an extent https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2026/07/01/andy-burnham-tax-gap-15bn/
1) Phoenixing estimated at £800m
2) Part of it was previously hidden, companies were filing nil/dormant returns while trading and MTD has revealed that
Not in the TPA post suggestions are
1) construction and trades, cash-in-hand, mixing of company and personal expenses
2) Internet retail, overseas retailers posing as UK businesses
https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2072380714486583448