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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,952
    Mr. Pete, there's a feminist branch of psychology, which is/was annoyed that psychology seems to have generally/historically taken middle class white men as 'standard' people.

    There's also a black feminist branch of psychology, which is/was annoyed that feminist psychology seems to consider middle class white people as 'standard' people.
  • Gulp. I agree with Dan Hodges.

    I'm still a nervous wreck after our last three matches.

    Everyone stop going on about Liverpool winning the league. You're jinxing it.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100268953/everyone-stop-going-on-about-liverpool-winning-the-league-youre-jinxing-it/

    Time for me to bet on them winning the league I feel to return the Spurs 'are on the up' Top 4 faith?
  • Gulp. I agree with Dan Hodges.

    I'm still a nervous wreck after our last three matches.

    Everyone stop going on about Liverpool winning the league. You're jinxing it.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100268953/everyone-stop-going-on-about-liverpool-winning-the-league-youre-jinxing-it/

    Time for me to bet on them winning the league I feel to return the Spurs 'are on the up' Top 4 faith?
    Well I've been backing Liverpool's opponents recently.

    I think I'll stick a bit on Chelsea for Sunday.
  • Mr. Eagles, the Ron Dennis has not been designed for failure.

    In all seriousness, they've dropped off since the first race, but were on for a double points finish when reliability cost them in Bahrain (incidentally, if they hadn't suffered that Ferrari would've scored 0 points despite both cars finishing).

    A clever chap here posted that McLaren could make up as much as 1.4s with a sizeable package of updates in Spain.

    Plus their cars look seriously fugly this year.
  • Gulp. I agree with Dan Hodges.

    I'm still a nervous wreck after our last three matches.

    Everyone stop going on about Liverpool winning the league. You're jinxing it.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100268953/everyone-stop-going-on-about-liverpool-winning-the-league-youre-jinxing-it/

    Time for me to bet on them winning the league I feel to return the Spurs 'are on the up' Top 4 faith?
    Well I've been backing Liverpool's opponents recently.

    I think I'll stick a bit on Chelsea for Sunday.
    Expensive... how many wins on the bounce is it now for the reds???
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,952
    Mr. Eagles, most do.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    edited April 2014

    I know I'm the last person to criticise other people's fashion sense, but Christ on a bike, did Nigel Farage get dressed in the dark?

    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage 1h

    There are two things in life I can't bear. David Cameron and unpolished shoes.

    pic.twitter.com/F1LDs1d7YE

    speaks very well and accurately to a particular rural constituency.

    You urban sophisticate TSE you.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,960
    edited April 2014

    Gulp. I agree with Dan Hodges.

    I'm still a nervous wreck after our last three matches.

    Everyone stop going on about Liverpool winning the league. You're jinxing it.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100268953/everyone-stop-going-on-about-liverpool-winning-the-league-youre-jinxing-it/

    Time for me to bet on them winning the league I feel to return the Spurs 'are on the up' Top 4 faith?
    Well I've been backing Liverpool's opponents recently.

    I think I'll stick a bit on Chelsea for Sunday.
    Expensive... how many wins on the bounce is it now for the reds???
    Eleven, I've managed to make a profit thanks to doing well on the first goal scorer markets and backing Sunderland to beat Man City and Chelsea.

    Thank heavens for Bet365's cash in options (apart from the time I accidentally cashed in 17.33 instead of the £110 on Liverpool winning 3-2 against city)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    I know I'm the last person to criticise other people's fashion sense, but Christ on a bike, did Nigel Farage get dressed in the dark?

    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage 1h

    There are two things in life I can't bear. David Cameron and unpolished shoes.

    pic.twitter.com/F1LDs1d7YE

    The comments underneath are so predictable its embarrassing. Do these people really think theyre being clever and witty?

    Personally I think Farage should dress the same in the North East as he does in the Home Counties.. be yourself is good advice to any politican
  • TOPPING said:

    I know I'm the last person to criticise other people's fashion sense, but Christ on a bike, did Nigel Farage get dressed in the dark?

    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage 1h

    There are two things in life I can't bear. David Cameron and unpolished shoes.

    pic.twitter.com/F1LDs1d7YE

    speaks very well and accurately to a particular rural constituency.

    You urban sophisticate TSE you.
    I'm from ooop North, what the feck is an urban sophisticate?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Strange isn't it that OGH has been telling us for yonks that UKIP are irrelevant. Cameron described UKIP, and thus its supporters, as loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists. Today, I read that Clegg is talking about xenophobes. Yet we seem to have as many threads dominated by these irrelevant, nutty, xenophobes as we do by Scottish independence. Why should that be?

    Lots of traffic for the site. Keeps the sponsors happy.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    Strange isn't it that OGH has been telling us for yonks that UKIP are irrelevant. Cameron described UKIP, and thus its supporters, as loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists. Today, I read that Clegg is talking about xenophobes. Yet we seem to have as many threads dominated by these irrelevant, nutty, xenophobes as we do by Scottish independence. Why should that be?

    The SNP and UKIP both represent causes with significant popular support?

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2012/03/this-is-what-politics-has-become/
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Firefighers, teachers, train drivers and council staffs all planning strikes - time for some further anti- strike legislation to protect the real economy from these dangerous wreckers ?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,952
    Mr. Eagles, ooop north? *sighs*
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    edited April 2014

    TOPPING said:

    I know I'm the last person to criticise other people's fashion sense, but Christ on a bike, did Nigel Farage get dressed in the dark?

    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage 1h

    There are two things in life I can't bear. David Cameron and unpolished shoes.

    pic.twitter.com/F1LDs1d7YE

    speaks very well and accurately to a particular rural constituency.

    You urban sophisticate TSE you.
    I'm from ooop North, what the feck is an urban sophisticate?
    someone who wouldn't put mushy peas on his nachos.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    rcs1000 said:
    Yep that worried me.

    To suggest you have "conquered" your debt crisis when the debt is still going up and nothing has been repaid is pretty silly. Their debt situation is much better than ours but that does not mean it is good, let alone "conquered".

    Like us they will go into the next crisis with much higher debt ratios than the last one.

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    TGOHF said:

    Firefighers, teachers, train drivers and council staffs all planning strikes - time for some further anti- strike legislation to protect the real economy from these dangerous wreckers ?

    Give the jobs to Eastern Europeans.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Dan Hodges: "The odds are still stacked against Liverpool."
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014

    Scrap's ad hoc trading update... now up circa £300 on paper... after down £5k at one stage.

    Time to save the extension fund and bale out.... nope!

    So a falling knife can be caught. Audentes fortuna iuvat

    Well done.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    Firefighers, teachers, train drivers and council staffs all planning strikes - time for some further anti- strike legislation to protect the real economy from these dangerous wreckers ?

    Give the jobs to Eastern Europeans.
    I've found this amazing Hungarian guy who can repair just about any domestic appliance for a very reasonable price. Turns up when he says at a moments notice and does a great job.

    Can you imagine if the council ran such a service ? I'd have an appointment for me to take my washing machine to them next November.

    Of course Nigel wouldn't approve - he hates this sort of thing.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Liverpool winning the league is a deeply unpleasant but necessary part of Man U's annus horribilis. It would not be complete without it so it is inevitable.
  • DavidL said:

    Scrap's ad hoc trading update... now up circa £300 on paper... after down £5k at one stage.

    Time to save the extension fund and bale out.... nope!

    So a falling knife can be caught. Audentes fortuna iuvat

    Well done.
    Encouraging but it's only paper profit currently...

    Audere est facere and the world is your lobster.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    There are two things in life I can't bear. David Cameron and unpolished shoes.

    When I was working I never rejected a candidate for his or her like/dislike of a politician but I rejected plenty because they couldn't be bothered to polish their shoes. Takes less than five minutes but makes all the difference to appearance so why not do it? Ignorance or attitude, either one made them unacceptable.

    As I am now fully retired I offer this tip freely. When a Brit comes into the room to discuss business look at their shoes. Anyone whose shoes are dirty and unpolished you can safely ignore as you will never make money with them. The corollary of course is if you go to make a pitch to the likes of Mr. Charles make sure your footwear is gleaming.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    Encouraging but it's only paper profit currently...

    And only a paper extension, I imagine!
  • yup - down on the plans, got planning permission.... but next step is trickier.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    @HurstLlama: That's a bit of a dilemma, then - I'm sure Mr Cameron's shoes are always immaculately polished.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Thank goodness, the Dan Hodges Curse has now guaranteed Liverpool will win the League. I was getting worried.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    While I have no problem with the mustards, I do have a problem with the not liking David Cameron.

    I can't think offhand whether any other politician has said they actually "don't like" another of any party. Perhaps they have but I can't recall it.

    And I think it is shabby to say so. There should be respect between politicians even if there is disagreement on policy. The only thing for which personally NFarage could criticise Cam for is the potential reneging on the referendum which is stretching it IMO.

    Then again, your party being described as fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists...perhaps you could say that DC started it. Still not convinced though.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,461

    There are two things in life I can't bear. David Cameron and unpolished shoes.

    When I was working I never rejected a candidate for his or her like/dislike of a politician but I rejected plenty because they couldn't be bothered to polish their shoes. Takes less than five minutes but makes all the difference to appearance so why not do it? Ignorance or attitude, either one made them unacceptable.

    As I am now fully retired I offer this tip freely. When a Brit comes into the room to discuss business look at their shoes. Anyone whose shoes are dirty and unpolished you can safely ignore as you will never make money with them. The corollary of course is if you go to make a pitch to the likes of Mr. Charles make sure your footwear is gleaming.

    You never worked in the demolition business: someone coming in to discuss business without toe'tectors (or worse, polished shoes) would get short shrift from my dad. If they had dirt under their fingernails, all the better. It was an indication they'd know what they were talking about.
  • TGOHF said:

    Firefighers, teachers, train drivers and council staffs all planning strikes - time for some further anti- strike legislation to protect the real economy from these dangerous wreckers ?

    What legislation would you like to see?
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    @HurstLlama: That's a bit of a dilemma, then - I'm sure Mr Cameron's shoes are always immaculately polished.

    Not really Mr N. The first line of my post was in fact a quote from Mr. Eagles
    at 15:34, poor editing on my behalf.

    However, whilst having un-shined shoes would be a bar to doing business, well polished shoes should be no guarantee of success. From the world of mathematics, A=>B is not equal to B=>A.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    edited April 2014
    DavidL said:

    Liverpool winning the league is a deeply unpleasant but necessary part of Man U's annus horribilis. It would not be complete without it so it is inevitable.

    I think most neutrals would want to see Liverpool win. Stevie Gerrard certainly deserves it. But I agree it's far from in the bag; from what I can recall Man City winning their four remaining games and a Chelsea win at Liverpool (all quite plausible I think) gives the title to Man City.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,952
    At Castle Morris Dancer, we do not discriminate based on the refractive index of footwear. Polished shoes, dirty shoes, mud-caked wellingtons, we'll fire people wearing any of that into the heart of the sun, if they make the space cannon list.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    There are two things in life I can't bear. David Cameron and unpolished shoes.

    When I was working I never rejected a candidate for his or her like/dislike of a politician but I rejected plenty because they couldn't be bothered to polish their shoes. Takes less than five minutes but makes all the difference to appearance so why not do it? Ignorance or attitude, either one made them unacceptable.

    As I am now fully retired I offer this tip freely. When a Brit comes into the room to discuss business look at their shoes. Anyone whose shoes are dirty and unpolished you can safely ignore as you will never make money with them. The corollary of course is if you go to make a pitch to the likes of Mr. Charles make sure your footwear is gleaming.

    Well done, Mr Llama. You've just guilted me into cleaning my shoes (I keep polish and brushes next to the jar of instant coffee in my desk drawer)
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    May I profusely thank the gentleman of PB for providing me with suitable proof this afternoon that Mrs JackW is an extremely well provided for lady.

    I'm sure she'll never look upon toilet duck or a pint of water in the same light ever again.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,952
    Incidentally, one of the characters in Sir Edric's Treasure wears white clogs. I knew you'd all find that thrilling.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited April 2014
    twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/459309661171507201/photo/1/large

    Salmond's eyebrows make bid for independence.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,960
    edited April 2014

    At Castle Morris Dancer, we do not discriminate based on the refractive index of footwear. Polished shoes, dirty shoes, mud-caked wellingtons, we'll fire people wearing any of that into the heart of the sun, if they make the space cannon list.

    Can you please add Andrew Garfield to your space cannon list?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,461
    edited April 2014

    At Castle Morris Dancer, we do not discriminate based on the refractive index of footwear. Polished shoes, dirty shoes, mud-caked wellingtons, we'll fire people wearing any of that into the heart of the sun, if they make the space cannon list.

    How about open-toed sandals?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Charles said:


    Well done, Mr Llama. You've just guilted me into cleaning my shoes (I keep polish and brushes next to the jar of instant coffee in my desk drawer)

    Instant coffee? I'm shocked.

    Even Americans don't stoop that low:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-26869244
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Patent lather, Mr. Llama.

    There are two things in life I can't bear. David Cameron and unpolished shoes.

    When I was working I never rejected a candidate for his or her like/dislike of a politician but I rejected plenty because they couldn't be bothered to polish their shoes. Takes less than five minutes but makes all the difference to appearance so why not do it? Ignorance or attitude, either one made them unacceptable.

    As I am now fully retired I offer this tip freely. When a Brit comes into the room to discuss business look at their shoes. Anyone whose shoes are dirty and unpolished you can safely ignore as you will never make money with them. The corollary of course is if you go to make a pitch to the likes of Mr. Charles make sure your footwear is gleaming.

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    Neil said:


    That is not a picture of UKIP as the 'least liked, most disliked' party.

    But the ICM data is.
    Not to mention Labour, most beloved and least disliked of all parties. :-)

    Hurst, I'm alarmed to hear that I would fail your shoe-shine test. What is your view on ironed shirts? I fear I will fall short there too.

    Another test, less public, is whether people make their beds. As Jessica Mitford observed in her autobiography from her days as a Communist activist (A Fine Old Conflict), if you make the bed you only have to unmake it again later the same day.

    Life is too short.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,952
    Mr. Eagles, what has this Garfield fellow done?

    Mr. Nabavi, I have instant coffee. It must be said, though, that I'm quite disinterested in food and drink (I'd avoid almost all of it, if such inaction were not fatal).

    Mr. Jessop, sandal-wearers are welcome to be launched into the warm embrace of Helios.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014

    DavidL said:

    Liverpool winning the league is a deeply unpleasant but necessary part of Man U's annus horribilis. It would not be complete without it so it is inevitable.

    I think most neutrals would want to see Liverpool win. Stevie Gerrard certainly deserves it. But I agree it's far from in the bag; from what I can recall Man City winning their four remaining games and a Chelsea win at Liverpool (all quite plausible I think) gives the title to Man City.
    Between Scylla and Charybdis comes to mind. I suppose we had it coming after all the triumphalism of the last 20 years.

  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Liverpool winning the league is a deeply unpleasant but necessary part of Man U's annus horribilis. It would not be complete without it so it is inevitable.

    I think most neutrals would want to see Liverpool win. Stevie Gerrard certainly deserves it. But I agree it's far from in the bag; from what I can recall Man City winning their four remaining games and a Chelsea win at Liverpool (all quite plausible I think) gives the title to Man City.
    Between Scylla and Charybdis comes to mind. I suppose we had it coming after all the triumphalism of the last 20 years.

    Yes, just one season. It's hardly back to the 1970s and 1980s, is it? I support Middlesbrough - a season like the one Man U have had would rank as one of their greatest ever (without the Champions League participation, of course).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    Socrates said:

    @rcs1000

    The best bit about Matthew Partridge was when he was utterly convinced John McCain would be able to appoint the pro-choice former Democrat Joe Lieberman as his veep nominee.

    He was utterly delusional, and had a very poor sense of humour. I'm slightly sad he ran away :-)
  • Mr. Eagles, what has this Garfield fellow done?

    Mr. Nabavi, I have instant coffee. It must be said, though, that I'm quite disinterested in food and drink (I'd avoid almost all of it, if such inaction were not fatal).

    Mr. Jessop, sandal-wearers are welcome to be launched into the warm embrace of Helios.

    Andrew Garfield is an actor, who is playing Spiderman.

    I hate him because he's dating the wonderful Emma Stone (who plays Gwen Stacy in the films)

    And Miss Stone is lovely.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    A=>B <=> ¬B=>¬A.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,952
    Mr. Eagles, not seen those... I have heard the Amazing Spiderman is not necessarily accurately named.

    And aren't you married to a woman who is not Emma Stone?
  • Mr. Eagles, not seen those... I have heard the Amazing Spiderman is not necessarily accurately named.

    And aren't you married to a woman who is not Emma Stone?

    The Amazing Spiderman films are great, sad because of rights he's not in the Avengers.

    Yes, but Emma Stone is on the list.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    Firefighers, teachers, train drivers and council staffs all planning strikes - time for some further anti- strike legislation to protect the real economy from these dangerous wreckers ?

    What legislation would you like to see?
    Majority of all staff must vote for a strike.

    Head teachers can be provided info on what union a teacher belongs to before they employ them.

    Refunds from the school/council if services are not provided.

    Refunds from train companies to season ticket holders if trains cancelled due to strikes.

  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,818
    Hope Liverpool do not win the League. Suarez is a very good striker but also goes down at every opportunity and Sturridge is learning from him. I know every team nowadays are 'penalty aware' but these two take the mick. It makes the game unwatchable to me
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,952
    Mr. Eagles, Emma Stone is on the list? You want me to fire her into the heart of the sun?

    I have heard of the rights issue. It seems a shame, but as I've only seen... one, I think (maybe a Hulk film as well) of the recent Marvels it doesn't affect me too much. Spiderman seems overdone. It may be a good thing that less well-known characters like Thor, Iron Man and so forth get more limelight.

    Did you know GPS tracking was invented, I believe, after the Kingpin used a similar device on Spiderman to keep tabs on his location?

    Oh, and I might have questions for you about Supermodels of SHIELD, as I understand film events will have a significant impact upon the series (if so, I'll ask in private, of course, to avoid spoiling things for others).
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:


    Well done, Mr Llama. You've just guilted me into cleaning my shoes (I keep polish and brushes next to the jar of instant coffee in my desk drawer)

    Instant coffee? I'm shocked.

    Even Americans don't stoop that low:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-26869244
    Costs £6.50 for a jar of good instant coffee - makes 50+ cups at an average cost of 13p per cup. Add in 25p for the hot water and the disposable cup from the local store and I have a net cost of 37p, or 74p per day.

    Buying an Americano from the same shop would cost £1.60, or £3.20 per day.

    A saving of £2.46 per day, for c. 150 days per year (when I am not traveling), is around £370: well worth having, thank you very much.

    At home, of course, I drink Dunkin' Donuts filter coffee, which is fantastic and only costs $6.99 for 8 large carafes
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,461

    Mr. Eagles, Emma Stone is on the list? You want me to fire her into the heart of the sun?

    I have heard of the rights issue. It seems a shame, but as I've only seen... one, I think (maybe a Hulk film as well) of the recent Marvels it doesn't affect me too much. Spiderman seems overdone. It may be a good thing that less well-known characters like Thor, Iron Man and so forth get more limelight.

    Did you know GPS tracking was invented, I believe, after the Kingpin used a similar device on Spiderman to keep tabs on his location?

    Oh, and I might have questions for you about Supermodels of SHIELD, as I understand film events will have a significant impact upon the series (if so, I'll ask in private, of course, to avoid spoiling things for others).

    Shield is a truly excellent series - we're really enjoying it. Although as you point out, everyone is so hideously good looking.

    The episode with the train kidnapping was some of the best TV I've seen this year.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,779

    Mr. Eagles, what has this Garfield fellow done?

    .

    He was in 'The social Network' if I remember
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,960
    edited April 2014

    Mr. Eagles, Emma Stone is on the list? You want me to fire her into the heart of the sun?

    I have heard of the rights issue. It seems a shame, but as I've only seen... one, I think (maybe a Hulk film as well) of the recent Marvels it doesn't affect me too much. Spiderman seems overdone. It may be a good thing that less well-known characters like Thor, Iron Man and so forth get more limelight.

    Did you know GPS tracking was invented, I believe, after the Kingpin used a similar device on Spiderman to keep tabs on his location?

    Oh, and I might have questions for you about Supermodels of SHIELD, as I understand film events will have a significant impact upon the series (if so, I'll ask in private, of course, to avoid spoiling things for others).

    The list is married men have, that their wife approves of.

    You're missing out on the films, they are brilliant. All of them.

    I thought GPS was invented by the Royal Navy in WW2?

    Yes, Captain America: The Winter Soldier does have a major impact on the TV Show.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,952
    Mr. Jessop, the train episode was rather good, and cleverly told.

    I disliked the 'men think with their trousers' approach of a later episode (although Sif[sp] was delightful). Can't have equality for women whilst clinging to old-fashioned male stereotypes as well, it's just inconsistent.

    I wouldn't say it's excellent. It's become stronger since the mid-season break, and I like the way the story's going. The questions Coulson posed regarding a death (very vague, but you'll know what I mean) in the last episode were cunning.

    And I've can finally recall which one's Fitz and which one's Simmons.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,952
    Mr. Eagles, you may be right (though it was GPS tracking of someone/something I was referring to).

    Mr. Slackbladder, afraid I haven't seen that either.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TGOHF said:



    Majority of all staff must vote for a strike.

    Seems bizarre to let non-members have a say on how members decide to act but then you're not the most balanced when you get on to these issues.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Charles said:

    Charles said:


    Well done, Mr Llama. You've just guilted me into cleaning my shoes (I keep polish and brushes next to the jar of instant coffee in my desk drawer)

    Instant coffee? I'm shocked.

    Even Americans don't stoop that low:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-26869244
    Costs £6.50 for a jar of good instant coffee - makes 50+ cups at an average cost of 13p per cup. Add in 25p for the hot water and the disposable cup from the local store and I have a net cost of 37p, or 74p per day.

    Buying an Americano from the same shop would cost £1.60, or £3.20 per day.

    A saving of £2.46 per day, for c. 150 days per year (when I am not traveling), is around £370: well worth having, thank you very much.

    At home, of course, I drink Dunkin' Donuts filter coffee, which is fantastic and only costs $6.99 for 8 large carafes
    Good instant coffee is an oxymoron - it kept me away from coffee of any type for fifteen years.

    You can buy a travel mug that doubles as a cafetiere and use proper ground coffee.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:
    Yep that worried me.

    To suggest you have "conquered" your debt crisis when the debt is still going up and nothing has been repaid is pretty silly. Their debt situation is much better than ours but that does not mean it is good, let alone "conquered".

    Like us they will go into the next crisis with much higher debt ratios than the last one.

    Let me hang some numbers on that to prove your point :-)

    In 2008, private sector debt to GDP was 208% in the UK and 176% in the US. That is, the US was more indebted than we were, despite the scale of the US subprime mortgage issues.

    Fast forward to 2012, we have reduced private sector indebtedness by an astonishing 34% of GDP (and we will have done more in 2013), and we're now at 176%. The US, on the other hand, was only down 4% by end 2012, and in all probability now has private sector indebtedness at an all time high. (For the record, most large countries have reduced private sector indebtedness quite considerably in the last 5 years - the exceptions are France and China.)

    At the same time, government spending as a percentage of GDP has been dramatically reduced in the UK. It used to be 50% of GDP (1997), and it is now nearer 43%. The USA on the other hand, has gone from 35% to 39%.

    In addition, the biggest wave of tight oil growth has now happened in the US: from here on in, the high decline rates on tight oil means growth must slow. We - on the other hand - haven't even begun to benefit from our unconventional oil and gas reserves; and while it's probably a 2018-2023 story, it should be a clear positive for the UK.
  • TGOHF said:

    Refunds from train companies to season ticket holders if trains cancelled due to strikes.

    Why on earth should a company, which is the victim of a conspiracy in restraint of trade, be punished for the fact? That idea would only be viable if unions were made liable in tort for their acts and omissions to act, which is a respectable position, but one which you are not advocating.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    @isam, @socrates and others

    Can I apologise for going slightly over the top yesterday, and for any insults I might have thrown. I was carried away with my rhetoric.
  • Neil said:

    Seems bizarre to let non-members have a say on how members decide to act but then you're not the most balanced when you get on to these issues.

    TGOHF may be advocating the reintroduction of the closed shop, you never know...
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    That idea would only be viable if unions were made liable in tort for their acts and omissions to act, which is a respectable position, but one which you are not advocating.

    Give him a minute and he will be.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Charles said:


    Well done, Mr Llama. You've just guilted me into cleaning my shoes (I keep polish and brushes next to the jar of instant coffee in my desk drawer)

    Instant coffee? I'm shocked.

    Even Americans don't stoop that low:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-26869244
    Costs £6.50 for a jar of good instant coffee - makes 50+ cups at an average cost of 13p per cup. Add in 25p for the hot water and the disposable cup from the local store and I have a net cost of 37p, or 74p per day.

    Buying an Americano from the same shop would cost £1.60, or £3.20 per day.

    A saving of £2.46 per day, for c. 150 days per year (when I am not traveling), is around £370: well worth having, thank you very much.

    At home, of course, I drink Dunkin' Donuts filter coffee, which is fantastic and only costs $6.99 for 8 large carafes
    Good instant coffee is an oxymoron - it kept me away from coffee of any type for fifteen years.

    You can buy a travel mug that doubles as a cafetiere and use proper ground coffee.
    Try Douwe Egberts Dark Roast. It's ok, but not as good as proper coffee.

    But convenience and cost weigh in its favour. When I have my own office refurbished, I may splash out and buy a filter machine...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534

    TGOHF said:

    Firefighers, teachers, train drivers and council staffs all planning strikes - time for some further anti- strike legislation to protect the real economy from these dangerous wreckers ?

    What legislation would you like to see?
    There's no need for legislation.

    We just adopt the same approach as Mussolini.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,461

    Mr. Eagles, Emma Stone is on the list? You want me to fire her into the heart of the sun?

    I have heard of the rights issue. It seems a shame, but as I've only seen... one, I think (maybe a Hulk film as well) of the recent Marvels it doesn't affect me too much. Spiderman seems overdone. It may be a good thing that less well-known characters like Thor, Iron Man and so forth get more limelight.

    Did you know GPS tracking was invented, I believe, after the Kingpin used a similar device on Spiderman to keep tabs on his location?

    Oh, and I might have questions for you about Supermodels of SHIELD, as I understand film events will have a significant impact upon the series (if so, I'll ask in private, of course, to avoid spoiling things for others).

    The list is married men have, that their wife approves of.

    You're missing out on the films, they are brilliant. All of them.

    I thought GPS was invented by the Royal Navy in WW2?

    Yes, Captain America: The Winter Soldier does have a major impact on the TV Show.
    "I thought GPS was invented by the Royal Navy in WW2?"

    Hmmm, it may have been thought of then (in the same way Arthur C Clarke popularised the idea of geosynchronous satellites well before they were feasible), but the fact GPS needs a constellation of satellites, atomic clocks and good radio systems means that WW2 would have been a few decades too early.

    Are you thinking of radar?
  • TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Firefighers, teachers, train drivers and council staffs all planning strikes - time for some further anti- strike legislation to protect the real economy from these dangerous wreckers ?

    What legislation would you like to see?
    Majority of all staff must vote for a strike.

    Head teachers can be provided info on what union a teacher belongs to before they employ them.

    Refunds from the school/council if services are not provided.

    Refunds from train companies to season ticket holders if trains cancelled due to strikes.

    So you want compulsory voting for strike ballots?

  • Mr. Eagles, Emma Stone is on the list? You want me to fire her into the heart of the sun?

    I have heard of the rights issue. It seems a shame, but as I've only seen... one, I think (maybe a Hulk film as well) of the recent Marvels it doesn't affect me too much. Spiderman seems overdone. It may be a good thing that less well-known characters like Thor, Iron Man and so forth get more limelight.

    Did you know GPS tracking was invented, I believe, after the Kingpin used a similar device on Spiderman to keep tabs on his location?

    Oh, and I might have questions for you about Supermodels of SHIELD, as I understand film events will have a significant impact upon the series (if so, I'll ask in private, of course, to avoid spoiling things for others).

    The list is married men have, that their wife approves of.

    You're missing out on the films, they are brilliant. All of them.

    I thought GPS was invented by the Royal Navy in WW2?

    Yes, Captain America: The Winter Soldier does have a major impact on the TV Show.
    "I thought GPS was invented by the Royal Navy in WW2?"

    Hmmm, it may have been thought of then (in the same way Arthur C Clarke popularised the idea of geosynchronous satellites well before they were feasible), but the fact GPS needs a constellation of satellites, atomic clocks and good radio systems means that WW2 would have been a few decades too early.

    Are you thinking of radar?
    I were thinking 'bout this

    The design of GPS is based partly on similar ground-based radio-navigation systems, such as LORAN and the Decca Navigator, developed in the early 1940s and used by the British Royal Navy during World War II.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#History
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    So you want compulsory voting for strike ballots?

    absolutely not.
  • shadsyshadsy Posts: 289
    @rcs1000 @socrates
    Matthew Partridge was a good contributor imo. I don't think he was actually all that far off with his Lieberman as VP tip - I think people involved have subsequently said McCain was quite close to picking him before they went for Palin.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,952
    Incidentally, I may've mentioned this before, but a novella (not yet read it, but plan to) by EM Forster called The Machine Stops appears to accurately predict instant messaging and the internet. Given it was written in 1909 that's pretty impressive.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Stops
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Clegg trying to peeve the Queen - is he on a 3.5 % strategy ?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Firefighers, teachers, train drivers and council staffs all planning strikes - time for some further anti- strike legislation to protect the real economy from these dangerous wreckers ?

    What legislation would you like to see?
    Majority of all staff must vote for a strike.

    Head teachers can be provided info on what union a teacher belongs to before they employ them.

    Refunds from the school/council if services are not provided.

    Refunds from train companies to season ticket holders if trains cancelled due to strikes.

    So you want compulsory voting for strike ballots?

    No - can't be bovvered to vote = no strike.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Firefighers, teachers, train drivers and council staffs all planning strikes - time for some further anti- strike legislation to protect the real economy from these dangerous wreckers ?

    What legislation would you like to see?
    Majority of all staff must vote for a strike.

    Head teachers can be provided info on what union a teacher belongs to before they employ them.

    Refunds from the school/council if services are not provided.

    Refunds from train companies to season ticket holders if trains cancelled due to strikes.

    So you want compulsory voting for strike ballots?

    No - can't be bovvered to vote = no strike.
    But how do you propose trade unions ballot non-members?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    Refunds from train companies to season ticket holders if trains cancelled due to strikes.

    Why on earth should a company, which is the victim of a conspiracy in restraint of trade, be punished for the fact? That idea would only be viable if unions were made liable in tort for their acts and omissions to act, which is a respectable position, but one which you are not advocating.

    Then employers could write into their contracts that striking workers were liable for any customer legal actions directly due to withdrawing of labour.

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    shadsy said:

    @rcs1000 @socrates
    Matthew Partridge was a good contributor imo. I don't think he was actually all that far off with his Lieberman as VP tip - I think people involved have subsequently said McCain was quite close to picking him before they went for Palin.

    There was no chance in hell Lieberman would ever get through the RNC. When was the last time the party allowed a pro-life candidate, let alone a Democrat?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Mr. Eagles, Emma Stone is on the list? You want me to fire her into the heart of the sun?

    I have heard of the rights issue. It seems a shame, but as I've only seen... one, I think (maybe a Hulk film as well) of the recent Marvels it doesn't affect me too much. Spiderman seems overdone. It may be a good thing that less well-known characters like Thor, Iron Man and so forth get more limelight.

    Did you know GPS tracking was invented, I believe, after the Kingpin used a similar device on Spiderman to keep tabs on his location?

    Oh, and I might have questions for you about Supermodels of SHIELD, as I understand film events will have a significant impact upon the series (if so, I'll ask in private, of course, to avoid spoiling things for others).

    Shield is a truly excellent series - we're really enjoying it. Although as you point out, everyone is so hideously good looking.

    The episode with the train kidnapping was some of the best TV I've seen this year.
    I had started recording it - then deleted some episodes as the HDR was filling up - then sat down to watch one...then another....then another - excellent 'chewing gum for the eyes'

    TSE - if its any consolation, Andre Garfield got into a bit of hot water with his other half at a press conference:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/22/emma-stone-andrew-garfield-casual-sexism-femininity-spider-man_n_5190832.html

    I first saw him in 2007 in 'Boy A' - where he was excellent. Along with Ben Wishaw I wonder if we have our Olivier & Gielgud?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:



    Majority of all staff must vote for a strike.

    Seems bizarre to let non-members have a say on how members decide to act but then you're not the most balanced when you get on to these issues.
    Sorry was a bit unclear

    a clear majority of all staff in the union at that workplace must vote for a strike before it happens.

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited April 2014
    rcs1000 said:

    @isam, @socrates and others

    Can I apologise for going slightly over the top yesterday, and for any insults I might have thrown. I was carried away with my rhetoric.

    No apology needed. I didn't think you said anything other than a passionate defense of your own views. You were wrong, of course, but I don't expect people to apologise for that ;)

    PS. I think you left before my response to your rationality point. I'd like it if you read that one.
  • TGOHF said:

    Then employers could write into their contracts that striking workers were liable for any customer legal actions directly due to withdrawing of labour.

    Any such term in a contract of employment would be void under TULR(C)A 1992.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited April 2014
    @rcs1000

    Didn't the Telegraph article you linked to earlier say US private debt was down from 100% to 80% of GDP?

    Also, I doubt shale will take off in Europe in any meaningful way until the end of the 2020s.
  • TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Firefighers, teachers, train drivers and council staffs all planning strikes - time for some further anti- strike legislation to protect the real economy from these dangerous wreckers ?

    What legislation would you like to see?
    Majority of all staff must vote for a strike.

    Head teachers can be provided info on what union a teacher belongs to before they employ them.

    Refunds from the school/council if services are not provided.

    Refunds from train companies to season ticket holders if trains cancelled due to strikes.

    So you want compulsory voting for strike ballots?

    No - can't be bovvered to vote = no strike.
    What about those who can't be bovvered to vote in a GE? No government?

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    Then employers could write into their contracts that striking workers were liable for any customer legal actions directly due to withdrawing of labour.

    Any such term in a contract of employment would be void under TULR(C)A 1992.
    Well I wouldn't start from here.. ;)
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TGOHF said:



    a clear majority of all staff in the union at that workplace must vote for a strike before it happens

    Would you likewise require a clear majority of all UK voters to vote to leave in a referendum before the UK could exit the EU?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Then employers could write into their contracts that striking workers were liable for any customer legal actions directly due to withdrawing of labour.

    Even I as a thatcherite tory would concede that occasionally, just occasionally, strikers have a good point and should be allowed to withdraw their labour. Furthermore, when the strikes don;t have a good point people tend to be against the strike and it turns out to be counterproductive.

    All in all, the laws governing strikes and labour laws are about right. Some of us remember the days of shows of hands in car parks and flying pickets. We certainly aren't there...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    Socrates said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @isam, @socrates and others

    Can I apologise for going slightly over the top yesterday, and for any insults I might have thrown. I was carried away with my rhetoric.

    No apology needed. I didn't think you said anything other than a passionate defense of your own views. You were wrong, of course, but I don't expect people to apologise for that ;)

    PS. I think you left before my response to your rationality point. I'd like it if you read that one.
    @Socrates, I will go back and read it. Although I disagree with you on many things (and agree with you on many too), I always respect what you write, and the way you write it.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Firefighers, teachers, train drivers and council staffs all planning strikes - time for some further anti- strike legislation to protect the real economy from these dangerous wreckers ?

    What legislation would you like to see?
    Majority of all staff must vote for a strike.

    Head teachers can be provided info on what union a teacher belongs to before they employ them.

    Refunds from the school/council if services are not provided.

    Refunds from train companies to season ticket holders if trains cancelled due to strikes.

    So you want compulsory voting for strike ballots?

    No - can't be bovvered to vote = no strike.
    What about those who can't be bovvered to vote in a GE? No government?

    Not voting in a GE isn't denying services to the population at large.

    We voted for a govt that was proposing austerity - we got it . Why wont firefighters accept that democratic mandate ?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    rcs1000 said:

    @isam, @socrates and others

    Can I apologise for going slightly over the top yesterday, and for any insults I might have thrown. I was carried away with my rhetoric.

    That's ok! I didn't notice any insults tbh if there were any

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:



    a clear majority of all staff in the union at that workplace must vote for a strike before it happens

    Would you likewise require a clear majority of all UK voters to vote to leave in a referendum before the UK could exit the EU?
    I could be persuaded of that - similarly SIndy ref.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TGOHF said:


    Not voting in a GE isn't denying services to the population at large.

    But not voting against the Tories let Cameron into Number 10. Surely people should be punished for this?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:



    a clear majority of all staff in the union at that workplace must vote for a strike before it happens

    Would you likewise require a clear majority of all UK voters to vote to leave in a referendum before the UK could exit the EU?
    I could be persuaded of that - similarly SIndy ref.
    Why do I think that you'd probably only agree if the default votes were counted for your side?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:


    Not voting in a GE isn't denying services to the population at large.

    But not voting against the Tories let Cameron into Number 10. Surely people should be punished for this?
    You mean applauded ?

    Public sector workers can vote to withdraw services we've all paid for - but we can't get our money back when this happens - wouldn't happen in the private sector.


  • TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Firefighers, teachers, train drivers and council staffs all planning strikes - time for some further anti- strike legislation to protect the real economy from these dangerous wreckers ?

    What legislation would you like to see?
    Majority of all staff must vote for a strike.

    Head teachers can be provided info on what union a teacher belongs to before they employ them.

    Refunds from the school/council if services are not provided.

    Refunds from train companies to season ticket holders if trains cancelled due to strikes.

    So you want compulsory voting for strike ballots?

    No - can't be bovvered to vote = no strike.
    What about those who can't be bovvered to vote in a GE? No government?

    Not voting in a GE isn't denying services to the population at large.

    We voted for a govt that was proposing austerity - we got it . Why wont firefighters accept that democratic mandate ?
    But only 36% of the electorate voted for the Conservative party, of the public who could be bovvered, how's that a democratic mandate?

  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Firefighers, teachers, train drivers and council staffs all planning strikes - time for some further anti- strike legislation to protect the real economy from these dangerous wreckers ?

    What legislation would you like to see?
    Majority of all staff must vote for a strike.

    Head teachers can be provided info on what union a teacher belongs to before they employ them.

    Refunds from the school/council if services are not provided.

    Refunds from train companies to season ticket holders if trains cancelled due to strikes.

    So you want compulsory voting for strike ballots?

    No - can't be bovvered to vote = no strike.
    What about those who can't be bovvered to vote in a GE? No government?

    Not voting in a GE isn't denying services to the population at large.

    We voted for a govt that was proposing austerity - we got it . Why wont firefighters accept that democratic mandate ?
    More to the point, why should they accept it? Firefighters Unions don't exist to find justice and order in a situation, they exist to advance the cause of their members. It isn't their job to accept others are right. When we next vote in a left-wing government you won't find the wealthy just accepting that taxes will be raised so income distribution can occur.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983


    But only 36% of the electorate voted for the Conservative party, of the public who could be bovvered, how's that a democratic mandate?

    Nowhere near that many people voted for the Tories. Remember, we're taking proportions of all the people eligible to vote now.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    edited April 2014
    Socrates said:

    shadsy said:

    @rcs1000 @socrates
    Matthew Partridge was a good contributor imo. I don't think he was actually all that far off with his Lieberman as VP tip - I think people involved have subsequently said McCain was quite close to picking him before they went for Palin.

    There was no chance in hell Lieberman would ever get through the RNC. When was the last time the party allowed a pro-life candidate, let alone a Democrat?
    Possibly, but Steve Schmidt (McCain's campaign director IIRC) said in 2012 that Lieberman was his (McCain's) 1st choice and he almost announced it before the news leaked and there was a public backlash from the party. So suggesting he would pick him wasn't exactly madness.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,461


    "I thought GPS was invented by the Royal Navy in WW2?"

    Hmmm, it may have been thought of then (in the same way Arthur C Clarke popularised the idea of geosynchronous satellites well before they were feasible), but the fact GPS needs a constellation of satellites, atomic clocks and good radio systems means that WW2 would have been a few decades too early.

    Are you thinking of radar?

    I were thinking 'bout this

    The design of GPS is based partly on similar ground-based radio-navigation systems, such as LORAN and the Decca Navigator, developed in the early 1940s and used by the British Royal Navy during World War II.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#History
    Ah Loran. The bastardised steampunk son of radar and maths, conceived after a heavy night on the tiles and the consumption of a crate of Coors.
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