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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,662

    Starmer out this quarter into 7.2.

    I got on at 42 so considering whether I should trade out

    You’ve got to be tempted. I put a tenner on last night at 13 so I can get a quick payout today or gamble on the whole thing. I fear there is a sweet spot between now and when Starmer crashes it by announcing he will stay until x in July or similar.
    What's on the calendar? 4th July would be two years in office and also the American sesqui-whatever celebration so I'd imagine Starmer would want to be around for those. Government more-or-less shuts down over the summer so what is the air conditioning like at Chequers? Starmer is a genuine football fan so might want to be in place for England's World Cup win (or otherwise). Starmer holds a lot of cards so I'd imagine a mid- to late-summer handover will be arranged.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,699
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    The person who vandalised the relecting pool was Trumps mate who was given the contract.

    Team Algae are just taking the Mickey.

    https://bsky.app/profile/iwillnotbesilenced.bsky.social/post/3mopjywyhf226
    cant do facts with our balance brigader from dubai i'm afraid
  • TresTres Posts: 3,699
    Anyway I applaud Labour for hopefully having a leader who hasn't been contaminated from decades of exposure to living in North London luvvieland.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,112
    Tres said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    The person who vandalised the relecting pool was Trumps mate who was given the contract.

    Team Algae are just taking the Mickey.

    https://bsky.app/profile/iwillnotbesilenced.bsky.social/post/3mopjywyhf226
    cant do facts with our balance brigader from dubai i'm afraid
    The story I've heard is that by fully emptying it and then refilling it with tap water they basically gave the algae near perfect conditions to grow with a ready made source of food..
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,108
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    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that..
    ..you still believe him,
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,527
    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    He's always spouted a stream of consciousness of lies, falsehoods and gibberish. I find it hard to tell whether it is getting worse or not. How would you measure it?

    Apparently the other day he was telling some story that Russian victory in the war on Ukraine would have happened on day one had a Russian general not ordered his tanks off a road into the mud.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,112

    Starmer out this quarter into 7.2.

    I got on at 42 so considering whether I should trade out

    You’ve got to be tempted. I put a tenner on last night at 13 so I can get a quick payout today or gamble on the whole thing. I fear there is a sweet spot between now and when Starmer crashes it by announcing he will stay until x in July or similar.
    What's on the calendar? 4th July would be two years in office and also the American sesqui-whatever celebration so I'd imagine Starmer would want to be around for those. Government more-or-less shuts down over the summer so what is the air conditioning like at Chequers? Starmer is a genuine football fan so might want to be in place for England's World Cup win (or otherwise). Starmer holds a lot of cards so I'd imagine a mid- to late-summer handover will be arranged.
    I would want an early summer handover so the new cabinet had 2-3 months to come up with plausible plans and easy wins for the next 2 years leading up to an October 2028 election.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,434
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Feels very odd that there was a rampaging terror attack less than a mile away from me and life just sort of trundles along, barely troubling the news. He tried to murder the folk working at Origano (fantastic pizza, strongly recommend).

    I’m just glad he didn’t do something really dreadful like put a t-shirt on, or block a street off for an hour or two.

    Was he upset at the spelling mistake?
    It’s the Italian. I can’t imagine you making that joke if it was an Islamist attack on white people.
    Why not? I joke about all kinds of shit. I’m the son of a policeman, after all. If you want to call me a racist have the balls to do it.
    How many jokes did you make about the Golders Green attack?
    I don’t recall any humourous opportunities like an odd spelling. What’s your problem this morning? I don’t tell the bbc what to run on the news. Complain to them.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,434
    FF43 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Feels very odd that there was a rampaging terror attack less than a mile away from me and life just sort of trundles along, barely troubling the news. He tried to murder the folk working at Origano (fantastic pizza, strongly recommend).

    I’m just glad he didn’t do something really dreadful like put a t-shirt on, or block a street off for an hour or two.

    Was he upset at the spelling mistake?
    It’s the Italian. I can’t imagine you making that joke if it was an Islamist attack on white people.
    They wouldn't have made the joke, and that they did does illustrate the point you are making about different standards of victims.

    However origano is the correct Italian spelling.
    How the fuck do you know if I would have made the joke or not?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,223
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    I can't see any corroboration of Trump's claims of vandalism, just the arrest of an innocent cyclist.
    It has to be absolute peak of embarrassment to mindlessly repeat Trump's lies and propaganda.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,383
    I think a commentator on Kuenssberg is spot on when he said Burnham brings hope and has fantastic charisma

    A politician who gives out hope and optimism enthuses the public and I hope Burnham does change the country for the better even though he has a huge task ahead
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,662

    Brixian59 said:

    Of course Starmers genuinely laudible achievements are lost in the usual vaccum of right wing lies, tropes and disinformation. The scripts written in advance bearing no basis on fact.

    The LOWEST Tariffs on the Planet granted by Trump, NOT getting involved in Trump wars which Farage and Badenoch would now have us in the midst of!

    The RETURN of the UK as a trusted and serious player on the GLOBAL Stage (after the trashing of Brexit and Boris Johnson)
    The opportunity to resume serious relations with Europe, talking yo them rather than shouting insults at them

    An INCREASE in defence spending back to Pre Tory slashing and gutting

    Domestically

    The creation of a coherent path to Net Zero and dramatic increase in Renewable Energy provision
    Billions in green energy commitments (25+% of homes worth so far - biggest push ever) towards energy independence and emissions reductions. • ⁠8.3B for gb energy, nuclear commitments, 12 mill + homes of off shore wind. Millions of homes in solar energy. • ⁠3 new national forests in development (first for 30 years). • ⁠15 billion in grants for UK homes to improve energy efficiency and generation
    Cracking down on No Fault Evition via Renters Right Act
    Cutting NHS Waiting lists to lowest levels in a decade and re-investment in furture medicines and development of cures
    The reduction in Illegal MIgration starting to take place after a number of new initiatives
    Slow but necessary revision of Planning laws
    Significant expansion of free school meals/breakfasts. • ⁠Investment focused on infrastructure and growth industries, large public sector pay rises. • ⁠significant external revenue generated for tech, fintech, other growth industries. • ⁠104 billion of private investment secured for water infrastructure, 9 new reservoirs currently planned/under construction. • ⁠£38 bill for school and hospital repairs. Sunak approved a quarter of what was requested, this is comprehensive. • ⁠ban ticket resales above face value. • ⁠knocked £100+ off average energy bill (2025 budget) • ⁠38 bill for nuclear energy. More for small reactors. • ⁠LDES battery technology research push, huge capacity increase. -hereditary peers bill • ⁠priority access for UK medical graduates.

    A case of a PM who should be measured in 5 years time.

    Politically nieve
    Communications CRAP


    If any of that was true Starmer would not be about to resign alongside the recent resignations of his health and defence secretaries

    It sounds like the last pleading of a failed political career

    I don't normally pay too much attention to his posts, but on this occasion he's right.

    I really fear what a Burnham government is going to look like. He's totally vapid and appears to have done no thinking about the hard choices that will need to be made. I hope I'm wrong and that, to coin a phrase, Burnham surprises on the upside.
    I do not know what Burnham will be like. He seems to have adopted a collegiate style as Mayor but as we saw with Boris, things can change quickly in Downing Street.

    In a sense, I don't care. Like many on PB I shall collect the bookies' money and watch the football, cricket and racing, and complain about the heat, before moving on to speculate on who will be Prime Minister after Andy Burnham.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,410

    Brixian59 said:

    Of course Starmers genuinely laudible achievements are lost in the usual vaccum of right wing lies, tropes and disinformation. The scripts written in advance bearing no basis on fact.

    The LOWEST Tariffs on the Planet granted by Trump, NOT getting involved in Trump wars which Farage and Badenoch would now have us in the midst of!

    The RETURN of the UK as a trusted and serious player on the GLOBAL Stage (after the trashing of Brexit and Boris Johnson)
    The opportunity to resume serious relations with Europe, talking yo them rather than shouting insults at them

    An INCREASE in defence spending back to Pre Tory slashing and gutting

    Domestically

    The creation of a coherent path to Net Zero and dramatic increase in Renewable Energy provision
    Billions in green energy commitments (25+% of homes worth so far - biggest push ever) towards energy independence and emissions reductions. • ⁠8.3B for gb energy, nuclear commitments, 12 mill + homes of off shore wind. Millions of homes in solar energy. • ⁠3 new national forests in development (first for 30 years). • ⁠15 billion in grants for UK homes to improve energy efficiency and generation
    Cracking down on No Fault Evition via Renters Right Act
    Cutting NHS Waiting lists to lowest levels in a decade and re-investment in furture medicines and development of cures
    The reduction in Illegal MIgration starting to take place after a number of new initiatives
    Slow but necessary revision of Planning laws
    Significant expansion of free school meals/breakfasts. • ⁠Investment focused on infrastructure and growth industries, large public sector pay rises. • ⁠significant external revenue generated for tech, fintech, other growth industries. • ⁠104 billion of private investment secured for water infrastructure, 9 new reservoirs currently planned/under construction. • ⁠£38 bill for school and hospital repairs. Sunak approved a quarter of what was requested, this is comprehensive. • ⁠ban ticket resales above face value. • ⁠knocked £100+ off average energy bill (2025 budget) • ⁠38 bill for nuclear energy. More for small reactors. • ⁠LDES battery technology research push, huge capacity increase. -hereditary peers bill • ⁠priority access for UK medical graduates.

    A case of a PM who should be measured in 5 years time.

    Politically nieve
    Communications CRAP


    If any of that was true Starmer would not be about to resign alongside the recent resignations of his health and defence secretaries

    It sounds like the last pleading of a failed political career

    I don't normally pay too much attention to his posts, but on this occasion he's right.

    I really fear what a Burnham government is going to look like. He's totally vapid and appears to have done no thinking about the hard choices that will need to be made. I hope I'm wrong and that, to coin a phrase, Burnham surprises on the upside.
    I do not know what Burnham will be like. He seems to have adopted a collegiate style as Mayor but as we saw with Boris, things can change quickly in Downing Street.

    In a sense, I don't care. Like many on PB I shall collect the bookies' money and watch the football, cricket and racing, and complain about the heat, before moving on to speculate on who will be Prime Minister after Andy Burnham.
    Was it @rottenborough that summed the whole thing up as "we are only popcorn munchers?"
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,146

    Brixian59 said:

    Of course Starmers genuinely laudible achievements are lost in the usual vaccum of right wing lies, tropes and disinformation. The scripts written in advance bearing no basis on fact.

    The LOWEST Tariffs on the Planet granted by Trump, NOT getting involved in Trump wars which Farage and Badenoch would now have us in the midst of!

    The RETURN of the UK as a trusted and serious player on the GLOBAL Stage (after the trashing of Brexit and Boris Johnson)
    The opportunity to resume serious relations with Europe, talking yo them rather than shouting insults at them

    An INCREASE in defence spending back to Pre Tory slashing and gutting

    Domestically

    The creation of a coherent path to Net Zero and dramatic increase in Renewable Energy provision
    Billions in green energy commitments (25+% of homes worth so far - biggest push ever) towards energy independence and emissions reductions. • ⁠8.3B for gb energy, nuclear commitments, 12 mill + homes of off shore wind. Millions of homes in solar energy. • ⁠3 new national forests in development (first for 30 years). • ⁠15 billion in grants for UK homes to improve energy efficiency and generation
    Cracking down on No Fault Evition via Renters Right Act
    Cutting NHS Waiting lists to lowest levels in a decade and re-investment in furture medicines and development of cures
    The reduction in Illegal MIgration starting to take place after a number of new initiatives
    Slow but necessary revision of Planning laws
    Significant expansion of free school meals/breakfasts. • ⁠Investment focused on infrastructure and growth industries, large public sector pay rises. • ⁠significant external revenue generated for tech, fintech, other growth industries. • ⁠104 billion of private investment secured for water infrastructure, 9 new reservoirs currently planned/under construction. • ⁠£38 bill for school and hospital repairs. Sunak approved a quarter of what was requested, this is comprehensive. • ⁠ban ticket resales above face value. • ⁠knocked £100+ off average energy bill (2025 budget) • ⁠38 bill for nuclear energy. More for small reactors. • ⁠LDES battery technology research push, huge capacity increase. -hereditary peers bill • ⁠priority access for UK medical graduates.

    A case of a PM who should be measured in 5 years time.

    Politically nieve
    Communications CRAP


    If any of that was true Starmer would not be about to resign alongside the recent resignations of his health and defence secretaries

    It sounds like the last pleading of a failed political career

    I don't normally pay too much attention to his posts, but on this occasion he's right.

    I really fear what a Burnham government is going to look like. He's totally vapid and appears to have done no thinking about the hard choices that will need to be made. I hope I'm wrong and that, to coin a phrase, Burnham surprises on the upside.
    I do not know what Burnham will be like. He seems to have adopted a collegiate style as Mayor but as we saw with Boris, things can change quickly in Downing Street.

    In a sense, I don't care. Like many on PB I shall collect the bookies' money and watch the football, cricket and racing, and complain about the heat, before moving on to speculate on who will be Prime Minister after Andy Burnham.
    You are getting ahead of yourself. The last point is not really up for discussion for at least a month.
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 558
    nico67 said:

    I’m disappointed that the change of PM won’t be to Angela Rayner.

    If Josh Simon’s hadn’t of stood down then it’s possible that she would have been the first woman Labour PM . I expect she’ll get a good role in the new cabinet and you never know with our current churn of PMs might still end up getting the top job !

    Rayners problem is arrogance. Not a listener. Not a good trait for someone leading well out of their area of expertise.

    I really like the narrative but she was awful at Housing. Naive and mugged by developers. No real grasp of the issues. My fear is that she would bring those talents to the leadership. Which is a massive pity. Working class woman gets my vote give chance.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078

    kle4 said:


    Andy_JS said:

    Burnham ought to bring in AV imo, the Australian voting system. Would be the best way to stop Reform.

    Needs a referendum.
    He might as well go the whole hog and hold a referendum on making himself dictator and head of state.
    You're confusing Burnham with your mate Farage.

    In a polity without a written constitution, Reform only need to win once.

    https://cmsm.co.uk/hitler-becomes-fuhrer-19-august-1934
    Nearly every nation has a written constitution and many of them are dictatorships.

    Things like codification or PR etc may be good ideas, people will vary on that, but they don't prevent terrible outcomes by themselves.
    kle4 said:


    Andy_JS said:

    Burnham ought to bring in AV imo, the Australian voting system. Would be the best way to stop Reform.

    Needs a referendum.
    He might as well go the whole hog and hold a referendum on making himself dictator and head of state.
    You're confusing Burnham with your mate Farage.

    In a polity without a written constitution, Reform only need to win once.

    https://cmsm.co.uk/hitler-becomes-fuhrer-19-august-1934
    Nearly every nation has a written constitution and many of them are dictatorships.

    Things like codification or PR etc may be good ideas, people will vary on that, but they don't prevent terrible outcomes by themselves.
    The point is that the absence of a written constitution makes a democratic nation especially vulnerable to becoming a dictatorship through a constitutional route, because the checks and balances that would make that more difficult are by definition largely absent. Written constitutions can also be overcome, of course.
    Given so few places lack codified constitutions i'm not sure how it could be predicted they are more vulnerable to such an event as there wouldn't appear to be any evidence for it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,059
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    Oh, dear Sandpit ignores how dismissive Trump is of Ukraine's right to territorial integrity!

    https://kamcpherson.substack.com/p/trump-denial-syndrome

    What are the symptoms of Trump Denial Syndrome?

    Persistent denial of wrongdoing or error by Trump despite clear, publicly available evidence, including direct quotes, video/audio recordings, sworn testimony, official documents, and court rulings.

    Conditional Institutional Legitimacy: Courts, law enforcement, journalists, scientists, and civil servants are assumed to be credible only when their findings support Trump’s positions.

    Selective Skepticism: High skepticism is applied to mainstream sources; low skepticism is applied to sympathetic sources, regardless of past reliability. This includes polls, election results, and all statistics.

    Reflexive Victimization: Trump is presumed to be the target of a coordinated campaign of persecution, regardless of the specific facts of any situation.

    Moving the Goalpost: Evidence is rejected by shifting the standards

    Moral Judgment Distortion: Conduct condemned by other politicians is excused, rebranded, or celebrated when performed by Trump

    Conspiracy Escalation: Negative evidence triggers increasingly elaborate explanations involving hidden actors such as the deep state or globalists who are engaged in an ill-defined hoax.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,223

    Starmer out this quarter into 7.2.

    I got on at 42 so considering whether I should trade out

    You’ve got to be tempted. I put a tenner on last night at 13 so I can get a quick payout today or gamble on the whole thing. I fear there is a sweet spot between now and when Starmer crashes it by announcing he will stay until x in July or similar.
    What's on the calendar? 4th July would be two years in office and also the American sesqui-whatever celebration so I'd imagine Starmer would want to be around for those. Government more-or-less shuts down over the summer so what is the air conditioning like at Chequers? Starmer is a genuine football fan so might want to be in place for England's World Cup win (or otherwise). Starmer holds a lot of cards so I'd imagine a mid- to late-summer handover will be arranged.
    They're both avid football fans, described on news yesterday as a traditional no 6 and a flashy striker who'll grab any free kick opportunity and blooter it over the bar. So I'm sure Burnham would love to be in place for any self-aggrandizing opportunity.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,139
    A new dawn has broken, has it not?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078
    rcs1000 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not everyone is convinced by Burnham.

    "@MatthewStadlen

    What are the grounds for believing that Burnham would be a better Prime Minister than Starmer has been? Labour MPs are obviously desperate for someone capable of being popular but Burnham's blandness (?), casual u-turns (?) and near silence (?) on how he would deal with the same set of problems that Starmer is grappling with do not provide much reassurance. He was an undistinguished (?) cabinet minister under Brown and was twice unsuccessful in Labour leadership elections."

    https://x.com/MatthewStadlen/status/2068393598777700696

    The list of people not convinced by Burnham is quite long TBF
    I'm convinced by Burnham.

    I'm convinced he'll be quite shit, but not as shit as Starmer.
    I expect government to be a little crap as it's hard and we expect way more than we can afford, I should not be hard to please.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,935
    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    I can't see any corroboration of Trump's claims of vandalism, just the arrest of an innocent cyclist.
    It has to be absolute peak of embarrassment to mindlessly repeat Trump's lies and propaganda.
    As I said, peak TDS, people totally losing their minds because they don’t like the guy who’s trying to clean up the city.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078
    Mayors are going to be insufferable now in hammering at central government now it is a clear route to the top.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,043
    We bought a portable air conditioning unit after the May heatwave assuming it'd come in use before long. Hoping that makes the week ahead bearable! Particularly for helping young children sleep (and thus us).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078

    Foxy said:

    On the face of it this is extraordinary. A man who won a landslide duresctly from opposition, with a huge majority still is going to resign to let in someone who twice failed to be elected leader who has succeeded in a role that is essentially just spending money. And yet it’s happening.

    Alan Clark's Diaries, from November 1990. His emphasis.

    Maddeningly, I had to return to the Department. Meetings, and an official lunch. Scandinavians.
    ‘I assume that there is no likelihood of Mrs Thatcher being defeated for the position of Prime Minister?’
    ‘Oh no. None whatsoever. It’s just one of these quaint traditions we have in the Conservative Party.'
    But the encounter made me realise the enormity of what we’re doing- changing the Prime Minister- but without any electoral authority to do so.
    I takethe contrary view. Replacing a PM without a General Election is not anti-democratic. It happens when a PM has become deeply unpopular for a sustained period with no realistic chance of recovery. It is a Parliament responding to its people.

    It is also our norm. The last PM we had who both started and finished at a General Election rather than a party coup was Heath.
    Being able to replace the PM in between elections when the PM is failing is the main advantage of a Parliamentary system over a Presidential one.

    One of the biggest problems with British politics at the moment is that the media obsession with US politics leads to viewing British politics through a Presidential lense, and Britain doesn't seem to even understand its own political system properly. (That and the parties have too much control over their MPs undermining Parliamentary democracy. One of the worst things Starmer did was to lower the bar for removing the whip from backbenchers.)
    This is a really good post. Cultural cringe towards america is so high the basics are sometimes presumed to be like america.

    You see a lot of confusion about the Supreme Court too, with people thinking they are politicians in robes like the USA whenever it makes a decision they don't like.
  • Think I will try and trade out the majority of the bet and maybe leave £10 to run or something in the case it somehow all happens this week
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078
    Foxy said:

    On the face of it this is extraordinary. A man who won a landslide duresctly from opposition, with a huge majority still is going to resign to let in someone who twice failed to be elected leader who has succeeded in a role that is essentially just spending money. And yet it’s happening.

    Alan Clark's Diaries, from November 1990. His emphasis.

    Maddeningly, I had to return to the Department. Meetings, and an official lunch. Scandinavians.
    ‘I assume that there is no likelihood of Mrs Thatcher being defeated for the position of Prime Minister?’
    ‘Oh no. None whatsoever. It’s just one of these quaint traditions we have in the Conservative Party.'
    But the encounter made me realise the enormity of what we’re doing- changing the Prime Minister- but without any electoral authority to do so.
    I takethe contrary view. Replacing a PM without a General Election is not anti-democratic. It happens when a PM has become deeply unpopular for a sustained period with no realistic chance of recovery. It is a Parliament responding to its people.

    It is also our norm. The last PM we had who both started and finished at a General Election rather than a party coup was Heath.
    Whether it is good or not it's not anti-democratic, that's just a default complaint nowadays.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,757

    FF43 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Feels very odd that there was a rampaging terror attack less than a mile away from me and life just sort of trundles along, barely troubling the news. He tried to murder the folk working at Origano (fantastic pizza, strongly recommend).

    I’m just glad he didn’t do something really dreadful like put a t-shirt on, or block a street off for an hour or two.

    Was he upset at the spelling mistake?
    It’s the Italian. I can’t imagine you making that joke if it was an Islamist attack on white people.
    They wouldn't have made the joke, and that they did does illustrate the point you are making about different standards of victims.

    However origano is the correct Italian spelling.
    How the fuck do you know if I would have made the joke or not?
    You are of course right. I am sorry I said so.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078
    Ratters said:

    We bought a portable air conditioning unit after the May heatwave assuming it'd come in use before long. Hoping that makes the week ahead bearable! Particularly for helping young children sleep (and thus us).

    Thinking it might be hotter in July/August than May was a safe bet even with a heatwave.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,383
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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,038
    Sandpit said:

    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    I can't see any corroboration of Trump's claims of vandalism, just the arrest of an innocent cyclist.
    It has to be absolute peak of embarrassment to mindlessly repeat Trump's lies and propaganda.
    As I said, peak TDS, people totally losing their minds because they don’t like the guy who’s trying to clean up the city.
    And a wonderful job he's making of it!




    https://x.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/2068411043378876647?s=20

  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 558
    Show him how. By example please.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,112
    kle4 said:

    Mayors are going to be insufferable now in hammering at central government now it is a clear route to the top.

    Good, this country is way to centralised - we need the regional mayors to have proper tax raising and spending powers. Heck currently most don't even have full budgetary control over local transport..
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:


    Andy_JS said:

    Burnham ought to bring in AV imo, the Australian voting system. Would be the best way to stop Reform.

    Needs a referendum.
    He might as well go the whole hog and hold a referendum on making himself dictator and head of state.
    You're confusing Burnham with your mate Farage.

    In a polity without a written constitution, Reform only need to win once.

    https://cmsm.co.uk/hitler-becomes-fuhrer-19-august-1934
    Oh and Germany did have a written constitution. Indeed it was because they had a written constitution that Hitler was able to gain power. He was able to exploit the German Constitution to make sure he could say, quite truthfully, that he had taken power legitimately,
    Key to it was control of the judiciary, where they had a head start since many of the senior judges were already Nazi sympathetic. Once it became almost impossible to challenge the actions of the paramilitaries and other thugs in dragging elected mayors out of council meetings and beating them up in the street, and the like, taking control of the rest of the state became relatively easy.
    They also had direct control of the Prussian police force.
    Indeed. When I was reading Evans's tome about how the Nazis destroyed democracy, the stories of the way social democrat and other centrist mayors and councillors were treated naturally got me thinking about how I'd react if I were dragged out of a council meeting and beaten up . My recourse would be to go to the police and then rely on the legal system, and if neither of those were prepared to do anything, I'd really have nowhere else to go. It's no surprise that most of them gave up politics and then saw some Nazi dropped in as mayor in their place. It would be nice to think that in the same circumstances we'd make some sort of heroic stand, but I suspect that I and most of us would give up and try and keep our heads down, once the institutions of the state had so obviously been captured.
    Definitely. Committed, violent control can work even with a minority doing it.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,662
    Ratters said:

    We bought a portable air conditioning unit after the May heatwave assuming it'd come in use before long. Hoping that makes the week ahead bearable! Particularly for helping young children sleep (and thus us).

    Report back please. You might want to pre-cool their bedrooms during the day rather than have its rumblings keep them awake at night.
  • Sorry only bet £10 originally so will leave a quid on.

    I suspect it happens realistically July-Sept
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,014
    edited 9:10AM
    kle4 said:

    Ratters said:

    We bought a portable air conditioning unit after the May heatwave assuming it'd come in use before long. Hoping that makes the week ahead bearable! Particularly for helping young children sleep (and thus us).

    Thinking it might be hotter in July/August than May was a safe bet even with a heatwave.
    The temperatures in May would have easily been the highest of the year not long ago.

    In 1993 nowhere reached 30C and a normal yearly max would have been about 32C.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,491

    Sandpit said:

    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    I can't see any corroboration of Trump's claims of vandalism, just the arrest of an innocent cyclist.
    It has to be absolute peak of embarrassment to mindlessly repeat Trump's lies and propaganda.
    As I said, peak TDS, people totally losing their minds because they don’t like the guy who’s trying to clean up the city.
    And a wonderful job he's making of it!




    https://x.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/2068411043378876647?s=20

    The Trailer Trash President has utterly debased the office.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078

    On the face of it this is extraordinary. A man who won a landslide duresctly from opposition, with a huge majority still is going to resign to let in someone who twice failed to be elected leader who has succeeded in a role that is essentially just spending money. And yet it’s happening.

    Alan Clark's Diaries, from November 1990. His emphasis.

    Maddeningly, I had to return to the Department. Meetings, and an official lunch. Scandinavians.
    ‘I assume that there is no likelihood of Mrs Thatcher being defeated for the position of Prime Minister?’
    ‘Oh no. None whatsoever. It’s just one of these quaint traditions we have in the Conservative Party.'
    But the encounter made me realise the enormity of what we’re doing- changing the Prime Minister- but without any electoral authority to do so.
    He would be an idiot if that's what he wrote. Since he wasn't generally he must have been a Rees-Mogg, insistent on covering (even just to himself) what might be a reasonsble opinion with a veneer of fake constitutional authority to pretend it has more weight than opinion.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,935
    edited 9:21AM

    Sandpit said:

    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    I can't see any corroboration of Trump's claims of vandalism, just the arrest of an innocent cyclist.
    It has to be absolute peak of embarrassment to mindlessly repeat Trump's lies and propaganda.
    As I said, peak TDS, people totally losing their minds because they don’t like the guy who’s trying to clean up the city.
    And a wonderful job he's making of it!




    https://x.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/2068411043378876647?s=20

    This is how the fake news spreads. That picture of the reflecting pool full of algae is from 2022.

    The other pictures show the ballroom construction that’s ongoing, and the teardown from the UFC event last week, that the UFC paid for entirely and includes restoration of the grass in their budget.

    And here’s the ‘innocent cyclist’ who waded in and ripped off a chunk of the sealant from the pool. Note the lack of visible algae in the picture.
    https://x.com/real_ames/status/2068405487851163695

    This pool has been a nightmare for decades, it’s not a new thing, just people starting with OrangeManBad and working backwards. The pool workers now need to have police protection from the idiots trying to cause disruption.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078
    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    Mayors are going to be insufferable now in hammering at central government now it is a clear route to the top.

    Good, this country is way to centralised - we need the regional mayors to have proper tax raising and spending powers. Heck currently most don't even have full budgetary control over local transport..
    I'm supportive of the devolution programme in general (though too much is still whitehall focused and the footprints are all over the place), but i think governments will regret putting them in as a way if talking to 30 mayors rather than hundreds of council leaders.

    I'd like to think Andy will devolve actual power not just pots of movable funding.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078
    New Burnham opinion from my formerly Corbynite family household visit.

    "He's an Israeli, like Starmer". Great.

    Not a universal view among the crowd though, a couple pushed back.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,499
    Foxy said:

    On the face of it this is extraordinary. A man who won a landslide duresctly from opposition, with a huge majority still is going to resign to let in someone who twice failed to be elected leader who has succeeded in a role that is essentially just spending money. And yet it’s happening.

    Alan Clark's Diaries, from November 1990. His emphasis.

    Maddeningly, I had to return to the Department. Meetings, and an official lunch. Scandinavians.
    ‘I assume that there is no likelihood of Mrs Thatcher being defeated for the position of Prime Minister?’
    ‘Oh no. None whatsoever. It’s just one of these quaint traditions we have in the Conservative Party.'
    But the encounter made me realise the enormity of what we’re doing- changing the Prime Minister- but without any electoral authority to do so.
    I takethe contrary view. Replacing a PM without a General Election is not anti-democratic. It happens when a PM has become deeply unpopular for a sustained period with no realistic chance of recovery. It is a Parliament responding to its people.

    It is also our norm. The last PM we had who both started and finished at a General Election rather than a party coup was Heath.
    Wilson of course resigned because of deteriorating mental health.

    Incidentally, an example Trump would do well to follow
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,935
    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    Mayors are going to be insufferable now in hammering at central government now it is a clear route to the top.

    Good, this country is way to centralised - we need the regional mayors to have proper tax raising and spending powers. Heck currently most don't even have full budgetary control over local transport..
    Yes, there needs to be much more localised authority for raising tax and spending the proceeds. If nothing else, it allows authorities to do things differently from each other and see what works best. Too much centralisation means decisions taken in Whitehall and applied nationally.

    The biggest current problem is the obligations around social care, which are strangling local budgets everywhere.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 22,133

    I think a commentator on Kuenssberg is spot on when he said Burnham brings hope and has fantastic charisma

    A politician who gives out hope and optimism enthuses the public and I hope Burnham does change the country for the better even though he has a huge task ahead

    I agree. My main complaint about recent political leaders on all sides is that they define themselves by being against someone else. Burnham's campaign has been almost devoid of negativity. I wouldn't say he had fantastic charisma, but he's overwhelmingly positive, and that's a big step forward.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078

    I think a commentator on Kuenssberg is spot on when he said Burnham brings hope and has fantastic charisma

    A politician who gives out hope and optimism enthuses the public and I hope Burnham does change the country for the better even though he has a huge task ahead

    I agree. My main complaint about recent political leaders on all sides is that they define themselves by being against someone else. Burnham's campaign has been almost devoid of negativity. I wouldn't say he had fantastic charisma, but he's overwhelmingly positive, and that's a big step forward.
    Easy to be positive out of government, hopefully he can achieve something to keep it going.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,038
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    I can't see any corroboration of Trump's claims of vandalism, just the arrest of an innocent cyclist.
    It has to be absolute peak of embarrassment to mindlessly repeat Trump's lies and propaganda.
    As I said, peak TDS, people totally losing their minds because they don’t like the guy who’s trying to clean up the city.
    And a wonderful job he's making of it!




    https://x.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/2068411043378876647?s=20

    This is how the fake news spreads. That picture of the reflecting pool full of algae is from 2022.

    The other pictures show the ballroom construction that’s ongoing, and the teardown from the UFC event last week, that the UFC paid for entirely and includes restoration of the grass in their budget.

    And here’s the ‘innocent cyclist’ who waded in and ripped off a chunk of the sealant from the pool. Note the lack of visible algae in the picture.
    https://x.com/real_ames/status/2068405487851163695

    This pool has been a nightmare for decades, it’s not a new thing, just people starting with OrangeManBad and working backwards.

    Feeling all nostalgic seeing 'I'm no fan of Trump but' in its most florid form.
    Great that some random in the ME has his finger on the pulse of reflecting pool news.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,139
    edited 9:25AM
    kle4 said:

    Mayors are going to be insufferable now in hammering at central government now it is a clear route to the top.

    It might transform Scottish and Welsh politics if they started seeing Holyrood and the Senedd as a stepping stone to power at the UK level instead of a stepping stone to independence.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,426

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    I can't see any corroboration of Trump's claims of vandalism, just the arrest of an innocent cyclist.
    It has to be absolute peak of embarrassment to mindlessly repeat Trump's lies and propaganda.
    As I said, peak TDS, people totally losing their minds because they don’t like the guy who’s trying to clean up the city.
    And a wonderful job he's making of it!




    https://x.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/2068411043378876647?s=20

    This is how the fake news spreads. That picture of the reflecting pool full of algae is from 2022.

    The other pictures show the ballroom construction that’s ongoing, and the teardown from the UFC event last week, that the UFC paid for entirely and includes restoration of the grass in their budget.

    And here’s the ‘innocent cyclist’ who waded in and ripped off a chunk of the sealant from the pool. Note the lack of visible algae in the picture.
    https://x.com/real_ames/status/2068405487851163695

    This pool has been a nightmare for decades, it’s not a new thing, just people starting with OrangeManBad and working backwards.

    Feeling all nostalgic seeing 'I'm no fan of Trump but' in its most florid form.
    Great that some random in the ME has his finger on the pulse of reflecting pool news.
    I don't know why any of us need to know any of this, much less be passionate about it. But obviously freedom of PB speech etc.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,224
    maxh said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Some people on Twitter seem to be genuinely upset that Starmer might be about to step down in favour of Burnham. They must be True Believers in the type of bureaucratic proceduralism that Starmer represents.

    I was at a wedding yesterday, with a reasonably politically engaged group of centre left on my table.
    Unanimously they said they didn't understand why Starmer was resigning, or how Burnham would be any better.

    I'll admit to a small amount of blind optimism that the change allows a reset and more of a long-term plan. Call it hopium if you're that way inclined. The problem with change, though, is it can make things worse rather than better, and I see zero evidence that Burnham has a long term plan that will navigate the choppy waters of our economy with anything like the nuance required.
    I was at a picnic on Friday, in Starmer’s constituency, with a similar pattern.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,410
    kle4 said:

    Mayors are going to be insufferable now in hammering at central government now it is a clear route to the top.

    Ben Houchen waves hello.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,699
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    I can't see any corroboration of Trump's claims of vandalism, just the arrest of an innocent cyclist.
    It has to be absolute peak of embarrassment to mindlessly repeat Trump's lies and propaganda.
    As I said, peak TDS, people totally losing their minds because they don’t like the guy who’s trying to clean up the city.
    And a wonderful job he's making of it!




    https://x.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/2068411043378876647?s=20

    This is how the fake news spreads. That picture of the reflecting pool full of algae is from 2022.

    The other pictures show the ballroom construction that’s ongoing, and the teardown from the UFC event last week, that the UFC paid for entirely and includes restoration of the grass in their budget.

    And here’s the ‘innocent cyclist’ who waded in and ripped off a chunk of the sealant from the pool. Note the lack of visible algae in the picture.
    https://x.com/real_ames/status/2068405487851163695

    This pool has been a nightmare for decades, it’s not a new thing, just people starting with OrangeManBad and working backwards. The pool workers now need to have police protection from the idiots trying to cause disruption.
    the difference is your man is the only president who is having a melt down over it
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,935
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Crimean port on fire, they’ve taken out a fuel storage facility and the ferry to the Russian mainland at Kerch.

    https://x.com/wartranslated/status/2068592267858706891

    The only vehicular route in and out of Crimea is now the Kerch Bridge, which has for some time been closed to heavy traffic. They’ve stopped private fuel sales on the island, and across Russia in general fuel logistics is showing signs of breaking down completely.

    Another good day for Ukraine, at the end of a very good week.

    This is fairly gruesome footage of a Mad Max attack on a village by the Russians using a combination of motorbikes and quadbikes. https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:opq5phhuquxppobexcp2cm4y/post/3mollorkpky2n?ref_src=embed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstories%2F2026%2F6%2F20%2F800056838%2Fcommunity%2Frussian-stuff-blowing-up-saturday%2F

    They are massacred and you don't even see a Ukrainian defender in any of the images. Warfare has really changed out of all recognition and the way the Russians are still trying to fight is doomed.
    It’s been said hundreds of times, but this week, with the attacks on Moscow and cutting off Crimea, does provide more evidence for things starting to happen quickly.

    Russian logistics are starting to break down, and nowhere is now safe from Ukranian attack. The Flamingos can now fly 2,000km to take out a refinery in Siberia while almost every Russian city is now rationing fuel, and the military fuel trucks can’t get to the front lines without being taken out by drones.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,587
    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    Mayors are going to be insufferable now in hammering at central government now it is a clear route to the top.

    Good, this country is way to centralised - we need the regional mayors to have proper tax raising and spending powers. Heck currently most don't even have full budgetary control over local transport..
    Tax raising and spending power might not be too bad.

    Borrowing powers is another matter.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,224
    eek said:

    Tres said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    The person who vandalised the relecting pool was Trumps mate who was given the contract.

    Team Algae are just taking the Mickey.

    https://bsky.app/profile/iwillnotbesilenced.bsky.social/post/3mopjywyhf226
    cant do facts with our balance brigader from dubai i'm afraid
    The story I've heard is that by fully emptying it and then refilling it with tap water they basically gave the algae near perfect conditions to grow with a ready made source of food..
    They also painted the bottom a darker colour, making the pool warmer, which the algae like.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,935
    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    I can't see any corroboration of Trump's claims of vandalism, just the arrest of an innocent cyclist.
    It has to be absolute peak of embarrassment to mindlessly repeat Trump's lies and propaganda.
    As I said, peak TDS, people totally losing their minds because they don’t like the guy who’s trying to clean up the city.
    And a wonderful job he's making of it!




    https://x.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/2068411043378876647?s=20

    This is how the fake news spreads. That picture of the reflecting pool full of algae is from 2022.

    The other pictures show the ballroom construction that’s ongoing, and the teardown from the UFC event last week, that the UFC paid for entirely and includes restoration of the grass in their budget.

    And here’s the ‘innocent cyclist’ who waded in and ripped off a chunk of the sealant from the pool. Note the lack of visible algae in the picture.
    https://x.com/real_ames/status/2068405487851163695

    This pool has been a nightmare for decades, it’s not a new thing, just people starting with OrangeManBad and working backwards. The pool workers now need to have police protection from the idiots trying to cause disruption.
    the difference is your man is the only president who is having a melt down over it
    He’s mad because people are vandalising a pool that just got renovated, just because they don’t like him.

    Everyone used to agree that cleaning up a city is a good thing, now there’s thousands of people who would prefer it dirty because they don’t like the president.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,410
    And after 10 years of Brexit, Gib decides to hand over border control to Spain. So porous border in Gibraltar, Northern Ireland and the Channel. Seems we may not have taken back control.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2219947/spain-gibraltar-border-major-move
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,662

    Foxy said:

    On the face of it this is extraordinary. A man who won a landslide duresctly from opposition, with a huge majority still is going to resign to let in someone who twice failed to be elected leader who has succeeded in a role that is essentially just spending money. And yet it’s happening.

    Alan Clark's Diaries, from November 1990. His emphasis.

    Maddeningly, I had to return to the Department. Meetings, and an official lunch. Scandinavians.
    ‘I assume that there is no likelihood of Mrs Thatcher being defeated for the position of Prime Minister?’
    ‘Oh no. None whatsoever. It’s just one of these quaint traditions we have in the Conservative Party.'
    But the encounter made me realise the enormity of what we’re doing- changing the Prime Minister- but without any electoral authority to do so.
    I takethe contrary view. Replacing a PM without a General Election is not anti-democratic. It happens when a PM has become deeply unpopular for a sustained period with no realistic chance of recovery. It is a Parliament responding to its people.

    It is also our norm. The last PM we had who both started and finished at a General Election rather than a party coup was Heath.
    Wilson of course resigned because of deteriorating mental health.

    Incidentally, an example Trump would do well to follow
    An example I expected Starmer to follow before life intervened.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,038

    kle4 said:

    Mayors are going to be insufferable now in hammering at central government now it is a clear route to the top.

    It might transform Scottish and Welsh politics if they started seeing Holyrood and the Senedd as a stepping stone to power at the UK level instead of a stepping stone to independence.
    Anas for PM!
    Said no one, ever.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,455
    Battlebus said:

    And after 10 years of Brexit, Gib decides to hand over border control to Spain. So porous border in Gibraltar, Northern Ireland and the Channel. Seems we may not have taken back control.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2219947/spain-gibraltar-border-major-move

    We'll done Gibraltar

    Another pointless artefact of Colonialism eradicated.

    Malvinas next
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,587
    Revealing about the Nottingham maternity scandal:

    While Ockenden spoke to more than 800 staff at the trust, it is understood that half of the 60 senior executives and directors she approached refused to answer questions about their role in the scandal.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/nhs-hospital-nottinham-inquiry-baby-deaths-kj99rx3lw

    If Burnham wants an idea, how about no cooperation with investigations leads to lose of pension.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,499
    Battlebus said:

    kle4 said:

    Mayors are going to be insufferable now in hammering at central government now it is a clear route to the top.

    Ben Houchen waves hello.
    Don't even think it!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,426
    Brixian59 said:

    Battlebus said:

    And after 10 years of Brexit, Gib decides to hand over border control to Spain. So porous border in Gibraltar, Northern Ireland and the Channel. Seems we may not have taken back control.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2219947/spain-gibraltar-border-major-move

    We'll done Gibraltar

    Another pointless artefact of Colonialism eradicated.

    Malvinas next
    What about Chag...

    Oh.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,659

    maxh said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Some people on Twitter seem to be genuinely upset that Starmer might be about to step down in favour of Burnham. They must be True Believers in the type of bureaucratic proceduralism that Starmer represents.

    I was at a wedding yesterday, with a reasonably politically engaged group of centre left on my table.
    Unanimously they said they didn't understand why Starmer was resigning, or how Burnham would be any better.

    I'll admit to a small amount of blind optimism that the change allows a reset and more of a long-term plan. Call it hopium if you're that way inclined. The problem with change, though, is it can make things worse rather than better, and I see zero evidence that Burnham has a long term plan that will navigate the choppy waters of our economy with anything like the nuance required.
    I was at a picnic on Friday, in Starmer’s constituency, with a similar pattern.
    I was at breakfast with myself earlier and was 100% puzzled as to why Burnham might be better.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,455
    Battlebus said:

    kle4 said:

    Mayors are going to be insufferable now in hammering at central government now it is a clear route to the top.

    Ben Houchen waves hello.
    He expects to buy everything for £1 does Pound land Ben
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,426

    maxh said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Some people on Twitter seem to be genuinely upset that Starmer might be about to step down in favour of Burnham. They must be True Believers in the type of bureaucratic proceduralism that Starmer represents.

    I was at a wedding yesterday, with a reasonably politically engaged group of centre left on my table.
    Unanimously they said they didn't understand why Starmer was resigning, or how Burnham would be any better.

    I'll admit to a small amount of blind optimism that the change allows a reset and more of a long-term plan. Call it hopium if you're that way inclined. The problem with change, though, is it can make things worse rather than better, and I see zero evidence that Burnham has a long term plan that will navigate the choppy waters of our economy with anything like the nuance required.
    I was at a picnic on Friday, in Starmer’s constituency, with a similar pattern.
    I was at breakfast with myself earlier and was 100% puzzled as to why Burnham might be better.
    Fake anecdote alert.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,224
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    I can't see any corroboration of Trump's claims of vandalism, just the arrest of an innocent cyclist.
    It has to be absolute peak of embarrassment to mindlessly repeat Trump's lies and propaganda.
    As I said, peak TDS, people totally losing their minds because they don’t like the guy who’s trying to clean up the city.
    And a wonderful job he's making of it!




    https://x.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/2068411043378876647?s=20

    This is how the fake news spreads. That picture of the reflecting pool full of algae is from 2022.

    The other pictures show the ballroom construction that’s ongoing, and the teardown from the UFC event last week, that the UFC paid for entirely and includes restoration of the grass in their budget.

    And here’s the ‘innocent cyclist’ who waded in and ripped off a chunk of the sealant from the pool. Note the lack of visible algae in the picture.
    https://x.com/real_ames/status/2068405487851163695

    This pool has been a nightmare for decades, it’s not a new thing, just people starting with OrangeManBad and working backwards. The pool workers now need to have police protection from the idiots trying to cause disruption.
    I know it’s not, but try not to drink so much Kool-Aid.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,112

    Revealing about the Nottingham maternity scandal:

    While Ockenden spoke to more than 800 staff at the trust, it is understood that half of the 60 senior executives and directors she approached refused to answer questions about their role in the scandal.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/nhs-hospital-nottinham-inquiry-baby-deaths-kj99rx3lw

    If Burnham wants an idea, how about no cooperation with investigations leads to lose of pension.

    How does that work as it's part of their historic pay.

    None co-operation should be regarded as admittance of gross misconduct - that's legal, what you are planning currently isn't.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,059
    Sandpit said:

    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    I can't see any corroboration of Trump's claims of vandalism, just the arrest of an innocent cyclist.
    It has to be absolute peak of embarrassment to mindlessly repeat Trump's lies and propaganda.
    As I said, peak TDS, people totally losing their minds because they don’t like the guy who’s trying to clean up the city.
    Peak Trump Denial Syndrome - Sandpit in denial that Trump supports Russia and not his beloved Ukraine.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,301
    Brixian59 said:

    Battlebus said:

    And after 10 years of Brexit, Gib decides to hand over border control to Spain. So porous border in Gibraltar, Northern Ireland and the Channel. Seems we may not have taken back control.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2219947/spain-gibraltar-border-major-move

    We'll done Gibraltar

    Another pointless artefact of Colonialism eradicated.

    Malvinas next
    All Gib has done is effectively join Schengen, very sensible in my view. In any case, it has been British longer than it was Spanish, maybe we should cede it to Morocco

  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,455

    maxh said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Some people on Twitter seem to be genuinely upset that Starmer might be about to step down in favour of Burnham. They must be True Believers in the type of bureaucratic proceduralism that Starmer represents.

    I was at a wedding yesterday, with a reasonably politically engaged group of centre left on my table.
    Unanimously they said they didn't understand why Starmer was resigning, or how Burnham would be any better.

    I'll admit to a small amount of blind optimism that the change allows a reset and more of a long-term plan. Call it hopium if you're that way inclined. The problem with change, though, is it can make things worse rather than better, and I see zero evidence that Burnham has a long term plan that will navigate the choppy waters of our economy with anything like the nuance required.
    I was at a picnic on Friday, in Starmer’s constituency, with a similar pattern.
    Starmer has to resign because the right wing media have done an outstanding job on ignoring the good he has done, focusing on destruction of his personality and obvious lack of political experience

    Labour cannot win a GE with Starmer

    They can with a better communicator and political brain that Burnham and Streeting have in abundance.

    Some excellent policy decisions beginning to resonate were always going to take 4 to 5 years now go and get the team to hammer that message against fading Farage and bombastic unelectable Badenoch
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,698
    Brixian59 said:



    Malvinas next

    Nothing will happen there until Bernado Manning decides he needs a distraction from domestic woes. It'll be a different vibe this time because Trump will be backing Argentina's pressed claim.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,059
    Brixian59 said:

    Battlebus said:

    And after 10 years of Brexit, Gib decides to hand over border control to Spain. So porous border in Gibraltar, Northern Ireland and the Channel. Seems we may not have taken back control.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2219947/spain-gibraltar-border-major-move

    We'll done Gibraltar

    Another pointless artefact of Colonialism eradicated.

    Malvinas next
    Falklands have a land border with Argentina? I must have missed that!
  • If Burnham can make it through even two weeks without stepping on a rake he’ll have beaten Starmer hands down.

    I’ve never had an issue with the policies of Starmer - even though he clearly had no plan coming in - but the way he does the job of PM has been terrible.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,609
    Brixian59 said:

    Battlebus said:

    And after 10 years of Brexit, Gib decides to hand over border control to Spain. So porous border in Gibraltar, Northern Ireland and the Channel. Seems we may not have taken back control.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2219947/spain-gibraltar-border-major-move

    We'll done Gibraltar

    Another pointless artefact of Colonialism eradicated.

    Malvinas next
    You really don't get this democracy thing do you.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,455

    Show him how. By example please.
    Next one on my list of 4 ir 5

    Alexander
    Cooper
    Nandy

    Down

    Mcfadden to out himself
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,587
    eek said:

    Revealing about the Nottingham maternity scandal:

    While Ockenden spoke to more than 800 staff at the trust, it is understood that half of the 60 senior executives and directors she approached refused to answer questions about their role in the scandal.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/nhs-hospital-nottinham-inquiry-baby-deaths-kj99rx3lw

    If Burnham wants an idea, how about no cooperation with investigations leads to lose of pension.

    How does that work as it's part of their historic pay.

    None co-operation should be regarded as admittance of gross misconduct - that's legal, what you are planning currently isn't.
    Non cooperation could lead to a fine equivalent to pension.

    Write it into employment contracts.

  • eekeek Posts: 34,112
    edited 9:45AM

    eek said:

    Revealing about the Nottingham maternity scandal:

    While Ockenden spoke to more than 800 staff at the trust, it is understood that half of the 60 senior executives and directors she approached refused to answer questions about their role in the scandal.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/nhs-hospital-nottinham-inquiry-baby-deaths-kj99rx3lw

    If Burnham wants an idea, how about no cooperation with investigations leads to lose of pension.

    How does that work as it's part of their historic pay.

    None co-operation should be regarded as admittance of gross misconduct - that's legal, what you are planning currently isn't.
    Non cooperation could lead to a fine equivalent to pension.

    Write it into employment contracts.

    Again you can't do that retrospectively and even then it's utterly insane unless you want anyone sane to walk out the door never to return.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,455
    kle4 said:

    Mayors are going to be insufferable now in hammering at central government now it is a clear route to the top.

    Burnham might just pull a masterstroke and create an independent overall Mayoral Tsar.

    Andy Street who despises much that Badenoch is doing would be a real game changer.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078
    Battlebus said:

    kle4 said:

    Mayors are going to be insufferable now in hammering at central government now it is a clear route to the top.

    Ben Houchen waves hello.
    He bowed out of national ambitions to go to the Lords though.
  • I will also say that it doesn’t work for me but I do think there’s something in the idea Burnham can communicate “hopeful optimism” in a way few other Labour people can. Labour basically gave up trying that from day one which was a big error in my view.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,699
    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    I can't see any corroboration of Trump's claims of vandalism, just the arrest of an innocent cyclist.
    It has to be absolute peak of embarrassment to mindlessly repeat Trump's lies and propaganda.
    As I said, peak TDS, people totally losing their minds because they don’t like the guy who’s trying to clean up the city.
    And a wonderful job he's making of it!




    https://x.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/2068411043378876647?s=20

    This is how the fake news spreads. That picture of the reflecting pool full of algae is from 2022.

    The other pictures show the ballroom construction that’s ongoing, and the teardown from the UFC event last week, that the UFC paid for entirely and includes restoration of the grass in their budget.

    And here’s the ‘innocent cyclist’ who waded in and ripped off a chunk of the sealant from the pool. Note the lack of visible algae in the picture.
    https://x.com/real_ames/status/2068405487851163695

    This pool has been a nightmare for decades, it’s not a new thing, just people starting with OrangeManBad and working backwards. The pool workers now need to have police protection from the idiots trying to cause disruption.
    the difference is your man is the only president who is having a melt down over it
    He’s mad because people are vandalising a pool that just got renovated, just because they don’t like him.

    Everyone used to agree that cleaning up a city is a good thing, now there’s thousands of people who would prefer it dirty because they don’t like the president.
    'cleaning up the city' sure honey
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,527
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Crimean port on fire, they’ve taken out a fuel storage facility and the ferry to the Russian mainland at Kerch.

    https://x.com/wartranslated/status/2068592267858706891

    The only vehicular route in and out of Crimea is now the Kerch Bridge, which has for some time been closed to heavy traffic. They’ve stopped private fuel sales on the island, and across Russia in general fuel logistics is showing signs of breaking down completely.

    Another good day for Ukraine, at the end of a very good week.

    This is fairly gruesome footage of a Mad Max attack on a village by the Russians using a combination of motorbikes and quadbikes. https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:opq5phhuquxppobexcp2cm4y/post/3mollorkpky2n?ref_src=embed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstories%2F2026%2F6%2F20%2F800056838%2Fcommunity%2Frussian-stuff-blowing-up-saturday%2F

    They are massacred and you don't even see a Ukrainian defender in any of the images. Warfare has really changed out of all recognition and the way the Russians are still trying to fight is doomed.
    It’s been said hundreds of times, but this week, with the attacks on Moscow and cutting off Crimea, does provide more evidence for things starting to happen quickly.

    Russian logistics are starting to break down, and nowhere is now safe from Ukranian attack. The Flamingos can now fly 2,000km to take out a refinery in Siberia while almost every Russian city is now rationing fuel, and the military fuel trucks can’t get to the front lines without being taken out by drones.
    Crimea has now banned all sale of fuel to the public as of 09:00 local time this morning. Fuel is being reserved for public services and security.

    If Russians in Crimea have enough fuel in their cars to reach Russia they have to decide now whether to leave. Otherwise they may have to walk.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078
    edited 9:50AM
    Brixian59 said:

    Battlebus said:

    And after 10 years of Brexit, Gib decides to hand over border control to Spain. So porous border in Gibraltar, Northern Ireland and the Channel. Seems we may not have taken back control.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2219947/spain-gibraltar-border-major-move

    We'll done Gibraltar

    Another pointless artefact of Colonialism eradicated.

    Malvinas next
    Pointless? Areas don't belong to one nation just as they are close to it. That's colonialism.
  • I will be hoping Mr Burnham concludes the planning consultation on telecoms soon and implements the results.

    That will be a good sign to the NIMBYs.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Crimean port on fire, they’ve taken out a fuel storage facility and the ferry to the Russian mainland at Kerch.

    https://x.com/wartranslated/status/2068592267858706891

    The only vehicular route in and out of Crimea is now the Kerch Bridge, which has for some time been closed to heavy traffic. They’ve stopped private fuel sales on the island, and across Russia in general fuel logistics is showing signs of breaking down completely.

    Another good day for Ukraine, at the end of a very good week.

    This is fairly gruesome footage of a Mad Max attack on a village by the Russians using a combination of motorbikes and quadbikes. https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:opq5phhuquxppobexcp2cm4y/post/3mollorkpky2n?ref_src=embed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstories%2F2026%2F6%2F20%2F800056838%2Fcommunity%2Frussian-stuff-blowing-up-saturday%2F

    They are massacred and you don't even see a Ukrainian defender in any of the images. Warfare has really changed out of all recognition and the way the Russians are still trying to fight is doomed.
    It’s been said hundreds of times, but this week, with the attacks on Moscow and cutting off Crimea, does provide more evidence for things starting to happen quickly.

    Russian logistics are starting to break down, and nowhere is now safe from Ukranian attack. The Flamingos can now fly 2,000km to take out a refinery in Siberia while almost every Russian city is now rationing fuel, and the military fuel trucks can’t get to the front lines without being taken out by drones.
    Crimea has now banned all sale of fuel to the public as of 09:00 local time this morning. Fuel is being reserved for public services and security.

    If Russians in Crimea have enough fuel in their cars to reach Russia they have to decide now whether to leave. Otherwise they may have to walk.
    Ukraine's forces are a long long way from the sea. But it is hopeful if they can logistically cripple the Russian forces.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,587
    eek said:

    eek said:

    Revealing about the Nottingham maternity scandal:

    While Ockenden spoke to more than 800 staff at the trust, it is understood that half of the 60 senior executives and directors she approached refused to answer questions about their role in the scandal.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/nhs-hospital-nottinham-inquiry-baby-deaths-kj99rx3lw

    If Burnham wants an idea, how about no cooperation with investigations leads to lose of pension.

    How does that work as it's part of their historic pay.

    None co-operation should be regarded as admittance of gross misconduct - that's legal, what you are planning currently isn't.
    Non cooperation could lead to a fine equivalent to pension.

    Write it into employment contracts.

    Again you can't do that retrospectively and even then it's utterly insane unless you want anyone sane to walk out the door never to return.
    Are you suggesting that everyone has something to hide ?

    I didn't think things were so bad in the public sector.

    Perhaps you would prefer to continue the current practice of cover ups, blaming the little people, pay offs for the fat cats and lessons will be learned.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,935
    On topic, how quickly do we think that Burnham could replace Starmer if unopposed? IIRC there’s still a process that goes through all the constituency Labour parties collecting nominations, once the MPs have nominated their candidates.

    Looking at the 2007 contest where Brown replaced Blair, it was six weeks from Brown’s annoucement to his election as leader, followed by Blair’s resignation as PM.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Brown
    On 11 May 2007, after months of speculation, Brown formally announced his bid for the Labour leadership. He launched his campaign website the same day as formally announcing his bid for leadership, titled "Gordon Brown for Britain".[86] On 16 May, Channel 4 News announced that Andrew MacKinlay had nominated Brown, giving him 308 nominations—enough to avoid a leadership contest. A BBC report states that the decisive nomination was made by Tony Wright with MacKinlay yet to nominate at that point.[87] Brown replaced Blair as Leader of the Labour Party on 24 June 2007.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,514

    kle4 said:

    Ratters said:

    We bought a portable air conditioning unit after the May heatwave assuming it'd come in use before long. Hoping that makes the week ahead bearable! Particularly for helping young children sleep (and thus us).

    Thinking it might be hotter in July/August than May was a safe bet even with a heatwave.
    The temperatures in May would have easily been the highest of the year not long ago.

    In 1993 nowhere reached 30C and a normal yearly max would have been about 32C.
    My school re-union WhatsApp group are currently reminiscing over the 1976 heatwave and the plague of ladybirds.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,757
    edited 9:52AM
    eek said:

    Revealing about the Nottingham maternity scandal:

    While Ockenden spoke to more than 800 staff at the trust, it is understood that half of the 60 senior executives and directors she approached refused to answer questions about their role in the scandal.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/nhs-hospital-nottinham-inquiry-baby-deaths-kj99rx3lw

    If Burnham wants an idea, how about no cooperation with investigations leads to lose of pension.

    How does that work as it's part of their historic pay.

    None co-operation should be regarded as admittance of gross misconduct - that's legal, what you are planning currently isn't.
    The question is whether an employer in general can withhold pension contributions following gross misconduct, which might in this case be due to the employee not cooperating with investigations.

    I do know banks will do this (normally I think if there's a criminal conviction) so I assume it's written into the employment contract.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078

    Brixian59 said:

    Battlebus said:

    And after 10 years of Brexit, Gib decides to hand over border control to Spain. So porous border in Gibraltar, Northern Ireland and the Channel. Seems we may not have taken back control.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2219947/spain-gibraltar-border-major-move

    We'll done Gibraltar

    Another pointless artefact of Colonialism eradicated.

    Malvinas next
    All Gib has done is effectively join Schengen, very sensible in my view. In any case, it has been British longer than it was Spanish, maybe we should cede it to Morocco

    Make up for spanish exclaves, which are ok i guess.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078
    Sandpit said:

    On topic, how quickly do we think that Burnham could replace Starmer if unopposed? IIRC there’s still a process that goes through all the constituency Labour parties collecting nominations, once the MPs have nominated their candidates.

    Looking at the 2007 contest where Brown replaced Blair, it was six weeks from Brown’s annoucement to his election as leader, followed by Blair’s resignation as PM.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Brown
    On 11 May 2007, after months of speculation, Brown formally announced his bid for the Labour leadership. He launched his campaign website the same day as formally announcing his bid for leadership, titled "Gordon Brown for Britain".[86] On 16 May, Channel 4 News announced that Andrew MacKinlay had nominated Brown, giving him 308 nominations—enough to avoid a leadership contest. A BBC report states that the decisive nomination was made by Tony Wright with MacKinlay yet to nominate at that point.[87] Brown replaced Blair as Leader of the Labour Party on 24 June 2007.

    Clunky to say the least.
  • kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, how quickly do we think that Burnham could replace Starmer if unopposed? IIRC there’s still a process that goes through all the constituency Labour parties collecting nominations, once the MPs have nominated their candidates.

    Looking at the 2007 contest where Brown replaced Blair, it was six weeks from Brown’s annoucement to his election as leader, followed by Blair’s resignation as PM.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Brown
    On 11 May 2007, after months of speculation, Brown formally announced his bid for the Labour leadership. He launched his campaign website the same day as formally announcing his bid for leadership, titled "Gordon Brown for Britain".[86] On 16 May, Channel 4 News announced that Andrew MacKinlay had nominated Brown, giving him 308 nominations—enough to avoid a leadership contest. A BBC report states that the decisive nomination was made by Tony Wright with MacKinlay yet to nominate at that point.[87] Brown replaced Blair as Leader of the Labour Party on 24 June 2007.

    Clunky to say the least.
    So we’re looking at early August, then.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,224
    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    I can't see any corroboration of Trump's claims of vandalism, just the arrest of an innocent cyclist.
    It has to be absolute peak of embarrassment to mindlessly repeat Trump's lies and propaganda.
    As I said, peak TDS, people totally losing their minds because they don’t like the guy who’s trying to clean up the city.
    And a wonderful job he's making of it!




    https://x.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/2068411043378876647?s=20

    This is how the fake news spreads. That picture of the reflecting pool full of algae is from 2022.

    The other pictures show the ballroom construction that’s ongoing, and the teardown from the UFC event last week, that the UFC paid for entirely and includes restoration of the grass in their budget.

    And here’s the ‘innocent cyclist’ who waded in and ripped off a chunk of the sealant from the pool. Note the lack of visible algae in the picture.
    https://x.com/real_ames/status/2068405487851163695

    This pool has been a nightmare for decades, it’s not a new thing, just people starting with OrangeManBad and working backwards. The pool workers now need to have police protection from the idiots trying to cause disruption.
    the difference is your man is the only president who is having a melt down over it
    He’s mad because people are vandalising a pool that just got renovated, just because they don’t like him.

    Everyone used to agree that cleaning up a city is a good thing, now there’s thousands of people who would prefer it dirty because they don’t like the president.
    The contract for the pool work was awarded without going through a tendering process to someone with little experience of such a job, but who is a big Trump donor… and also was previously guilty of campaign finance violations and of conspiring to bribe a politician. See https://www.cbsnews.com/news/company-trump-donor-cafaro-reflecting-pool-no-bid-contract/ Is Trump interested in cleaning up the city or in funnelling millions of dollars to his supporters?
  • Does anyone still think there won’t be a coronation?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,078
    Maybe he can still save it all despite looking doomed.

    Joe Root that is.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,224

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    I can't see any corroboration of Trump's claims of vandalism, just the arrest of an innocent cyclist.
    It has to be absolute peak of embarrassment to mindlessly repeat Trump's lies and propaganda.
    As I said, peak TDS, people totally losing their minds because they don’t like the guy who’s trying to clean up the city.
    And a wonderful job he's making of it!




    https://x.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/2068411043378876647?s=20

    This is how the fake news spreads. That picture of the reflecting pool full of algae is from 2022.

    The other pictures show the ballroom construction that’s ongoing, and the teardown from the UFC event last week, that the UFC paid for entirely and includes restoration of the grass in their budget.

    And here’s the ‘innocent cyclist’ who waded in and ripped off a chunk of the sealant from the pool. Note the lack of visible algae in the picture.
    https://x.com/real_ames/status/2068405487851163695

    This pool has been a nightmare for decades, it’s not a new thing, just people starting with OrangeManBad and working backwards. The pool workers now need to have police protection from the idiots trying to cause disruption.
    I know it’s not, but try not to drink so much Kool-Aid.
    *Hot!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,426
    Brixian59 said:

    kle4 said:

    Mayors are going to be insufferable now in hammering at central government now it is a clear route to the top.

    Burnham might just pull a masterstroke and create an independent overall Mayoral Tsar.

    Andy Street who despises much that Badenoch is doing would be a real game changer.
    He'd like a leader who was more of a wig.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,043
    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's curious that the thing that finally pushed Trump into full on gibbering insanity was his crappy pool job.

    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2068498088038109366

    It has to be the absolute peak of Trump Derangement Syndrome, that people are now vandalising national monuments in Washington because they don’t like the man in the big White House who’s trying to clean up the city for the 250th celebrations, egged on by a mainstream media who think that it’s the biggest news story in the world this week.
    I can't see any corroboration of Trump's claims of vandalism, just the arrest of an innocent cyclist.
    It has to be absolute peak of embarrassment to mindlessly repeat Trump's lies and propaganda.
    As I said, peak TDS, people totally losing their minds because they don’t like the guy who’s trying to clean up the city.
    And a wonderful job he's making of it!




    https://x.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/2068411043378876647?s=20

    This is how the fake news spreads. That picture of the reflecting pool full of algae is from 2022.

    The other pictures show the ballroom construction that’s ongoing, and the teardown from the UFC event last week, that the UFC paid for entirely and includes restoration of the grass in their budget.

    And here’s the ‘innocent cyclist’ who waded in and ripped off a chunk of the sealant from the pool. Note the lack of visible algae in the picture.
    https://x.com/real_ames/status/2068405487851163695

    This pool has been a nightmare for decades, it’s not a new thing, just people starting with OrangeManBad and working backwards. The pool workers now need to have police protection from the idiots trying to cause disruption.
    the difference is your man is the only president who is having a melt down over it
    He’s mad because people are vandalising a pool that just got renovated, just because they don’t like him.

    Everyone used to agree that cleaning up a city is a good thing, now there’s thousands of people who would prefer it dirty because they don’t like the president.
    Cleaning up the city is not a bad thing in itself however it remains the fact that instead of having a team of experts work out the best solution for making the reflecting pool look nice whilst dealing with the long-standing problem with algae and then opening tenders by construction business/specialists to do the job, Trump gave the job at an inflated cost to a guy who installs pools he knows. Not to a specialist in this sort of project and no care for tax-payers getting the best deal.

    Now the reflecting pool has worse algae because of the darker base causing warmer water and the sealing of it preventing filtering and water change that would happen before.
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