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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,920

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    And the answer to this "crisis" is to entrust the nations immigration policy into the hands of Jenrick and Braverman who were the Justice and Home Secretaries during the Boris wave and let in the people they are now moaning about?

    Is that really the best answer? Or perhaps we could notice that immigration has falled 75% since they were last in charge with deportation of criminals up significantly?

    Why do none of the facts matter?
    That is a completely different Robert Jenrick and a completely different Suella Braverman to the ones who let Boriswave immigration rip.

    Please keep up.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,344
    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,864

    So, Doctor Who is dead. Out to tender but after the godawful mess of the Disney contract you can imagine companies being reticent.

    It needs a break, and in having one they can fix it.

    New BBC management decided to resurrect Who in 2028. Cast someone interesting as the Doctor and simply discontinue the RTD2/Disney shit. Start again. Hell, have the new Doctor regenerate from Tennant again. Or from Jo Martin. Whatever, as long as the train backs up and erases RTD2.

    :)


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,756
    Nigelb said:

    The European Commission is dropping their investigation as to whether Korea's KHNP won the competition to build new reactors in the Czech Republic due to unfair state (Korean) subsidies. Article link in reply.

    Another bidder, France's EDF, claimed that it would be impossible to build reactors in Europe at the cost that KHNP bid, unless there were illegal state (Korean) aid.

    In addition to a lower cost bid, KHNP offered the Czech's a guarantee that the construction would not be delayed or become more expensive.

    The truth, that the French can't accept, is that the Koreans are just better at building nuclear plants, as their record shows. They likely benefitted from the experience they got from building four reactors in the UAE..

    https://x.com/HopfJames/status/2064369846616522867

    The modern reactors in Korea and the UAE are a step-change in the process and efficiency of large-scale nuclear design.

    UK should be paying careful attention, and considering the same. Not that they will of course, they’ll come up with a very British solution that costs five times as much, and hand it to the Chinese.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,799

    Eabhal said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnv9j7zdvz8t

    Henry Nowak protesters jailed for throwing objects at Southampton disorder

    They look exactly as I'd expect. They probably beat up women after England lose too.

    One day this exemplary sentence business is going to backfire.
    It is providing more grist to the mill of 'two tier justice'. And frankly two tier political response.
    Agree. Yet again far-right agitators treated with kid gloves and not charged with terrorism like their left-wing counterparts.

    The US military is developing mini-nukes for bases, and emergencies. They are small enough to be moved by trucks, or even airplanes, and produce enough power for 1,000 average American homes, according to a TV story I saw. (I like the fact that the Army and the Navy have competing programs.)

    The programs are promising the first deliveries by 2028.

    Incidentally, such reactors might be a good for civilian use in parts of the Arctic. (I assume the military reasons for them are obvious.)

    The US spent years and lots of money on cleaning up from their Antarctic reactor.
    That was technology well over half a century old.
    http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2014/ph241/reid2/

    The new micro reactors (much smaller than the civilian SMRs in development) should be a great deal safer, and effectively sealed from the outside environment.
    Too small for civilian use - except perhaps for datacenters. There are a couple of startups looking at road transportable micorreactors, grouped in clusters of 10 or 20, to provide power for new AI datacenters, on the slightly implausible theory of mass production eventually getting the cost of power down to around 10c/kWh.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,656
    Stokes dropped for the next test, Joe Root is the interim captain.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,592
    dixiedean said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    MattW said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Edinburgh Council has banned mobile phones from all schools, starting when the schools return after the summer break in August.
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/edinburgh-first-uk-city-ban-mobile-phones-schools-fff35x29s

    I'm broadly happy with this, with one caveat.
    My child has Type 1 diabetes, and uses their phone as part of the closed loop CGM and insulin pump. We also have a "follow" app that takes data pumped to the cloud from their phone. I need to speak to the school about how this will be catered for.

    They will have to give an exemption, and have probably considered the case.

    If they have not done so I would be surprised, since the rough numbers (AI) are 3300+ under 18s in Scotland with Type I Diabetes, and around 80% have such a system. As a comparator there are ~2500 schools in Scotland, of which 360 are state secondaries.

    I would suggest that the best prep. will be a phone call to your Specialist Nurse at the hospital clinic. They will have other children locally in the same situation, and may even have one at the same school. They will not be able to talk names for privacy reasons, but should be able to discuss how it is managed routinely.

    One potential option, which I use, is that I chose to have a separate control unit - which is a previous generation locked down phone with just the diabetes pump app. I use the Omnipod 5 disposable pump system - I get a box of them delivered every three months and put a replacement on every 3 days. The old ones are returned for recycling.
    Tandem T:Slim & Dexcom here, the pump itself can be used to administer bolus but children being children, mine would rather not have to get the pump out when they can put the bolus through the phone app. and we would lose the data to keep a track of their glucose levels.
    Yes, as you say, I would be surprised if there is no exception made. I plan to speak to the school this week.
    Find out the name of the person with overall responsibility for dispensing medicines at the school first and insist on speaking to them. This may be of some help.

    https://www.prescqipp.info/media/3584/b226-medicines-in-schools-20.pdf
    I actually think you will be just fine. The child will need an IHP (Individual Healthcare Plan), but I think this will 80% be likely to be absolutely routine in a UK school.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,173
    kinabalu said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnv9j7zdvz8t

    Henry Nowak protesters jailed for throwing objects at Southampton disorder

    They look exactly as I'd expect. They probably beat up women after England lose too.

    One day this exemplary sentence business is going to backfire.
    It is providing more grist to the mill of 'two tier justice'. And frankly two tier political response.
    The Two Tier aspect I observe is that some crimes cause racist thugs to riot and some do not.
    There does seem to be some unfairness in the sentencing, I note that of two recently sentenced, 1 got 2 years despite no previous, while the other got 2 years 4 months with 25 previous convictions including for violent offences. I'd have expected the sentencing to have been lower for the first offender, big enough reality check to have f'ed your job prospects.
    Most of them seem to have a string of previous convictions.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,313

    US$3 billion has apparently been transferred from the US to Tehran via a Royal jet from Abu Dhabi.

    Make of it what you will.

    Allegedly a payoff to persuade Iran not to retaliate to Israel's latest attacks on Iran, at the same time as the US was pointedly ignoring Iran's retaliation for the US proportionate response to the downing of an Apache.

    The overriding impression is one of catastrophic US weakness. It is said that capable officers are not being promoted if they don't fit the Christian ethno-nationalist mould. The ability of the US to act militarily in Europe's or anyone else's defence is also being eroded, as we worry about a lack of willingness to do so.

    And at this time of peril for Britain the government is not willing or able to fund a Defence Investment Plan. And so it delays and does nothing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,656

    Stokes dropped for the next test, Joe Root is the interim captain.

    I think the ECB realised the optics of appointing Harry Brook if they were dropping Ben Stokes for being out on the lash.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,799
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    The European Commission is dropping their investigation as to whether Korea's KHNP won the competition to build new reactors in the Czech Republic due to unfair state (Korean) subsidies. Article link in reply.

    Another bidder, France's EDF, claimed that it would be impossible to build reactors in Europe at the cost that KHNP bid, unless there were illegal state (Korean) aid.

    In addition to a lower cost bid, KHNP offered the Czech's a guarantee that the construction would not be delayed or become more expensive.

    The truth, that the French can't accept, is that the Koreans are just better at building nuclear plants, as their record shows. They likely benefitted from the experience they got from building four reactors in the UAE..

    https://x.com/HopfJames/status/2064369846616522867

    The modern reactors in Korea and the UAE are a step-change in the process and efficiency of large-scale nuclear design.

    UK should be paying careful attention, and considering the same. Not that they will of course, they’ll come up with a very British solution that costs five times as much, and hand it to the Chinese.
    The irony is that China is also about as efficient as S Korea in building new nuclear.
    It's the British solution bit that's massively expensive.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,797
    edited June 10
    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,799

    Stokes dropped for the next test, Joe Root is the interim captain.

    I think the ECB realised the optics of appointing Harry Brook if they were dropping Ben Stokes for being out on the lash.
    Optics, you say...
    Trying to get Stokes's attention ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,756

    The US military is developing mini-nukes for bases, and emergencies. They are small enough to be moved by trucks, or even airplanes, and produce enough power for 1,000 average American homes, according to a TV story I saw. (I like the fact that the Army and the Navy have competing programs.)

    The programs are promising the first deliveries by 2028.

    Incidentally, such reactors might be a good for civilian use in parts of the Arctic. (I assume the military reasons for them are obvious.)

    Rolls Royce in the UK is developing something similar, called SMR (small nuclear reactor), intended for town-sized deployments.

    Yes the military use case is obvious, you can drop it in the middle of nowhere and have no need for a constant supply of fuel for electricity generation.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,629
    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    MattW said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Edinburgh Council has banned mobile phones from all schools, starting when the schools return after the summer break in August.
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/edinburgh-first-uk-city-ban-mobile-phones-schools-fff35x29s

    I'm broadly happy with this, with one caveat.
    My child has Type 1 diabetes, and uses their phone as part of the closed loop CGM and insulin pump. We also have a "follow" app that takes data pumped to the cloud from their phone. I need to speak to the school about how this will be catered for.

    They will have to give an exemption, and have probably considered the case.

    If they have not done so I would be surprised, since the rough numbers (AI) are 3300+ under 18s in Scotland with Type I Diabetes, and around 80% have such a system. As a comparator there are ~2500 schools in Scotland, of which 360 are state secondaries.

    I would suggest that the best prep. will be a phone call to your Specialist Nurse at the hospital clinic. They will have other children locally in the same situation, and may even have one at the same school. They will not be able to talk names for privacy reasons, but should be able to discuss how it is managed routinely.

    One potential option, which I use, is that I chose to have a separate control unit - which is a previous generation locked down phone with just the diabetes pump app. I use the Omnipod 5 disposable pump system - I get a box of them delivered every three months and put a replacement on every 3 days. The old ones are returned for recycling.
    Tandem T:Slim & Dexcom here, the pump itself can be used to administer bolus but children being children, mine would rather not have to get the pump out when they can put the bolus through the phone app. and we would lose the data to keep a track of their glucose levels.
    Yes, as you say, I would be surprised if there is no exception made. I plan to speak to the school this week.
    Find out the name of the person with overall responsibility for dispensing medicines at the school first and insist on speaking to them. This may be of some help.

    https://www.prescqipp.info/media/3584/b226-medicines-in-schools-20.pdf
    I actually think you will be just fine. The child will need an IHP (Individual Healthcare Plan), but I think this will 80% be likely to be absolutely routine in a UK school.
    Indeed it should.
    However. It's important to get the right person. I've worked in schools for over 25 years. And am well aware of IHP's. However, I know next to nowt about them other than the names of the half a dozen trained people who administer them. Who presumably have a lead.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,465
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Ukraine has completely destroyed the Crimea bridge!

    https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/2064645197951050183 https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/2064634279305281644

    (No, it’s not the Kerch Bridge, it’s the alternative route through occupied Ukraine to the North, taking out the land corridor. There’s one small bridge left to go, then everything has to go over the Kerch or by sea.)

    I saw on X they have a 1.5 ton weight limit on the Kerch bridge as it clearly hasn't been repaired properly from previous attacks. Of course they could get heavier trucks over as that will be based on an estimate of how many vehicles would be on it at any one time, but it would mean banning civilian traffic and sending over carefully controlled convoys.

    Crimea is rapidly becoming not a very nice place to live.
    Very rapidly.

    Next to the Kerch Bridge there’s a ferry boat for the heavy vehicles. Last week about two dozen fuel tankers all parked right next to each other in the car park by the ferry on the Russian side.

    You can guess what happened next. 💥

    There’s apparently tens of thousands of stranded Russian tourists there, who can’t get fuel for their cars. It’s only a matter of time until the food runs out.

    Crimea River, as Justin Timberlake once sang.
    The world media is just starting to notice that Putin's "inevitable" victory is going rather awry.

    Turns out, if there's one nation on Earth you don't want to take on, it's the Ukrainians. When they shout "Exterminate!!" - Putin should hide behind the sofa...
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,313
    Sandpit said:

    Ukraine has completely destroyed the Crimea bridge!

    https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/2064645197951050183 https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/2064634279305281644

    (No, it’s not the Kerch Bridge, it’s the alternative route through occupied Ukraine to the North, taking out the land corridor. There’s one small bridge left to go, then everything has to go over the Kerch or by sea.)

    The Russians have installed a pontoon bridge beside the damaged Chonhar bridge. We'll see how long until the Ukraine's knock that out.

    This sort of thing happened repeatedly when the Ukrainians dropped the bridge over the Dnipro to Kherson city. It was a matter of Russian trying to establish alternative crossings and the Ukrainians taking them out.

    Eventually the Russians were forced to retreat from the right bank because they couldn't supply the troops there.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,465
    Sandpit said:

    The US military is developing mini-nukes for bases, and emergencies. They are small enough to be moved by trucks, or even airplanes, and produce enough power for 1,000 average American homes, according to a TV story I saw. (I like the fact that the Army and the Navy have competing programs.)

    The programs are promising the first deliveries by 2028.

    Incidentally, such reactors might be a good for civilian use in parts of the Arctic. (I assume the military reasons for them are obvious.)

    Rolls Royce in the UK is developing something similar, called SMR (small nuclear reactor), intended for town-sized deployments.

    Yes the military use case is obvious, you can drop it in the middle of nowhere and have no need for a constant supply of fuel for electricity generation.
    The middle of nowhere has no connection to the grid.

    The middle of somewhere has NIMBY's. "Would you like a nuclear sub moored on your river? No?"
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,756

    US$3 billion has apparently been transferred from the US to Tehran via a Royal jet from Abu Dhabi.

    Make of it what you will.

    Yeah right. Obama did that, and Trump has constantly called him out on it.

    Recent US rhetoric, backed up by the Gulf states, has been that frozen Iranian assets in the Gulf are needed to pay for the damage done there.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,313
    edited June 10

    Stokes dropped for the next test, Joe Root is the interim captain.

    Demonstrates a distinct lack of confidence in the vice captain, and what happens if Stokes decides to call it a day?
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 96
    Sandpit said:

    The US military is developing mini-nukes for bases, and emergencies. They are small enough to be moved by trucks, or even airplanes, and produce enough power for 1,000 average American homes, according to a TV story I saw. (I like the fact that the Army and the Navy have competing programs.)

    The programs are promising the first deliveries by 2028.

    Incidentally, such reactors might be a good for civilian use in parts of the Arctic. (I assume the military reasons for them are obvious.)

    Rolls Royce in the UK is developing something similar, called SMR (small nuclear reactor), intended for town-sized deployments.

    Yes the military use case is obvious, you can drop it in the middle of nowhere and have no need for a constant supply of fuel for electricity generation.
    Rolls Royce reactors aren’t really designed for Towns. The plan is to have a cluster of assembly line built reactors on the same site instead of one big one.

    It’s good in theory and they are selling it on being quicker and cheaper to build than traditional ones thus providing cheaper electricity. All that is true…..but!

    What they aren’t saying is that they won’t be quicker or cheaper to build than wind or solar or that the electricity will be as cheap as either.

    It’s a sort of sleight of hand, where they want you to look at it compared to the Like of Sizewell not Whitelees!

    Peter.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,318

    US$3 billion has apparently been transferred from the US to Tehran via a Royal jet from Abu Dhabi.

    Make of it what you will.

    All in used $10 notes.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,313
    Sandpit said:

    The US military is developing mini-nukes for bases, and emergencies. They are small enough to be moved by trucks, or even airplanes, and produce enough power for 1,000 average American homes, according to a TV story I saw. (I like the fact that the Army and the Navy have competing programs.)

    The programs are promising the first deliveries by 2028.

    Incidentally, such reactors might be a good for civilian use in parts of the Arctic. (I assume the military reasons for them are obvious.)

    Rolls Royce in the UK is developing something similar, called SMR (small nuclear reactor), intended for town-sized deployments.

    Yes the military use case is obvious, you can drop it in the middle of nowhere and have no need for a constant supply of fuel for electricity generation.
    Particularly useful as the development of battery-powered lasers for defending against drones continues. The frontline demands for electricity are only growing.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,920
    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,656
    Hah.

    Everton told to pay Burnley £35m over PSR breaches

    Everton have been told they must pay Burnley £35m over the impact of breaches of the Premier League's financial rules.

    The case - heard by a Premier League commission - relates to the 2021-22 season, when Everton were found to have broken profit and sustainability regulations (PSR) over a three-year period.

    Burnley argued the breach impacted their chances of staying in the Premier League, and sought compensation for the losses associated with being relegated.

    The Clarets have been awarded £26m in damages and a further £9m in interest.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cqx1wqr3yjno
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,679
    kinabalu said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnv9j7zdvz8t

    Henry Nowak protesters jailed for throwing objects at Southampton disorder

    They look exactly as I'd expect. They probably beat up women after England lose too.

    One day this exemplary sentence business is going to backfire.
    It is providing more grist to the mill of 'two tier justice'. And frankly two tier political response.
    The Two Tier aspect I observe is that some crimes cause racist thugs to riot and some do not.
    When people complain about "Two Tier" they usually mean the sentencing isn't "two tier" enough. They think their kind of thug should get lighter sentences.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,344

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,756
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    The European Commission is dropping their investigation as to whether Korea's KHNP won the competition to build new reactors in the Czech Republic due to unfair state (Korean) subsidies. Article link in reply.

    Another bidder, France's EDF, claimed that it would be impossible to build reactors in Europe at the cost that KHNP bid, unless there were illegal state (Korean) aid.

    In addition to a lower cost bid, KHNP offered the Czech's a guarantee that the construction would not be delayed or become more expensive.

    The truth, that the French can't accept, is that the Koreans are just better at building nuclear plants, as their record shows. They likely benefitted from the experience they got from building four reactors in the UAE..

    https://x.com/HopfJames/status/2064369846616522867

    The modern reactors in Korea and the UAE are a step-change in the process and efficiency of large-scale nuclear design.

    UK should be paying careful attention, and considering the same. Not that they will of course, they’ll come up with a very British solution that costs five times as much, and hand it to the Chinese.
    The irony is that China is also about as efficient as S Korea in building new nuclear.
    It's the British solution bit that's massively expensive.
    Yep, the UK needs to call the Koreans and say just build another Barakah in Sellafield.

    4 x 1345 MW for $32bn.

    Sizewell C is supposed to be 2 × 1,630 MW at £40bn.

    It’s more likely to be £50bn.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,465
    Battlebus said:

    US$3 billion has apparently been transferred from the US to Tehran via a Royal jet from Abu Dhabi.

    Make of it what you will.

    All in used $10 notes.
    They rejected any with Trump's face on them...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,756

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Ukraine has completely destroyed the Crimea bridge!

    https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/2064645197951050183 https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/2064634279305281644

    (No, it’s not the Kerch Bridge, it’s the alternative route through occupied Ukraine to the North, taking out the land corridor. There’s one small bridge left to go, then everything has to go over the Kerch or by sea.)

    I saw on X they have a 1.5 ton weight limit on the Kerch bridge as it clearly hasn't been repaired properly from previous attacks. Of course they could get heavier trucks over as that will be based on an estimate of how many vehicles would be on it at any one time, but it would mean banning civilian traffic and sending over carefully controlled convoys.

    Crimea is rapidly becoming not a very nice place to live.
    Very rapidly.

    Next to the Kerch Bridge there’s a ferry boat for the heavy vehicles. Last week about two dozen fuel tankers all parked right next to each other in the car park by the ferry on the Russian side.

    You can guess what happened next. 💥

    There’s apparently tens of thousands of stranded Russian tourists there, who can’t get fuel for their cars. It’s only a matter of time until the food runs out.

    Crimea River, as Justin Timberlake once sang.
    The world media is just starting to notice that Putin's "inevitable" victory is going rather awry.

    Turns out, if there's one nation on Earth you don't want to take on, it's the Ukrainians. When they shout "Exterminate!!" - Putin should hide behind the sofa...
    Indeed. I’m married to one!
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,270
    Nigelb said:

    Stokes dropped for the next test, Joe Root is the interim captain.

    I think the ECB realised the optics of appointing Harry Brook if they were dropping Ben Stokes for being out on the lash.
    Optics, you say...
    Trying to get Stokes's attention ?
    Bring Mieen Ali back

    Never replaced him on the field and the only one who you can guarantee won't get pissed.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,623

    Battlebus said:

    US$3 billion has apparently been transferred from the US to Tehran via a Royal jet from Abu Dhabi.

    Make of it what you will.

    All in used $10 notes.
    They rejected any with Trump's face on them...
    Shirley…


  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,270

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    And the answer to this "crisis" is to entrust the nations immigration policy into the hands of Jenrick and Braverman who were the Justice and Home Secretaries during the Boris wave and let in the people they are now moaning about?

    Is that really the best answer? Or perhaps we could notice that immigration has falled 75% since they were last in charge with deportation of criminals up significantly?

    Why do none of the facts matter?
    That is a completely different Robert Jenrick and a completely different Suella Braverman to the ones who let Boriswave immigration rip.

    Please keep up.
    Yes like Badenoch and Philp it never happened.

    All the same.

    Hypocritical liars
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,797
    edited June 10
    FF43 said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnv9j7zdvz8t

    Henry Nowak protesters jailed for throwing objects at Southampton disorder

    They look exactly as I'd expect. They probably beat up women after England lose too.

    One day this exemplary sentence business is going to backfire.
    It is providing more grist to the mill of 'two tier justice'. And frankly two tier political response.
    The Two Tier aspect I observe is that some crimes cause racist thugs to riot and some do not.
    When people complain about "Two Tier" they usually mean the sentencing isn't "two tier" enough. They think their kind of thug should get lighter sentences.
    It's bollox isn't it. The reason the term caught on is it's snappy and rhymes with Keir.

    Coming up with facile rhymes on Andy Burnham will be more difficult. Ha - that's real change right there.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,756
    edited June 10
    FF43 said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnv9j7zdvz8t

    Henry Nowak protesters jailed for throwing objects at Southampton disorder

    They look exactly as I'd expect. They probably beat up women after England lose too.

    One day this exemplary sentence business is going to backfire.
    It is providing more grist to the mill of 'two tier justice'. And frankly two tier political response.
    The Two Tier aspect I observe is that some crimes cause racist thugs to riot and some do not.
    When people complain about "Two Tier" they usually mean the sentencing isn't "two tier" enough. They think their kind of thug should get lighter sentences.
    “Two Tier” is when one guy says “he did a stabbing” and the other guy says “he did a racism”, leads to the first guy being arrested.

    “Two Tier” is when social media posts and throwing traffic cones at police result in a couple of years inside, but a phone full of ch1ld pr0n gets a suspended sentence. Sometimes even the abusers themselves get suspended sentences.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,359
    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    Not a problem for residents of millionaires row
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,934
    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnv9j7zdvz8t

    Henry Nowak protesters jailed for throwing objects at Southampton disorder

    They look exactly as I'd expect. They probably beat up women after England lose too.

    One day this exemplary sentence business is going to backfire.
    It is providing more grist to the mill of 'two tier justice'. And frankly two tier political response.
    The Two Tier aspect I observe is that some crimes cause racist thugs to riot and some do not.
    When people complain about "Two Tier" they usually mean the sentencing isn't "two tier" enough. They think their kind of thug should get lighter sentences.
    It's bollox isn't it. The reason the term caught on is it's snappy and rhymes with Keir.

    Coming up with facile rhymes on Andy Burnham will be more difficult. Ha - that's real change right there.
    When he succumbs to the lure of attending international summits, he'll inherit the title of 'Air Miles Andy'.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,656
    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnv9j7zdvz8t

    Henry Nowak protesters jailed for throwing objects at Southampton disorder

    They look exactly as I'd expect. They probably beat up women after England lose too.

    One day this exemplary sentence business is going to backfire.
    It is providing more grist to the mill of 'two tier justice'. And frankly two tier political response.
    The Two Tier aspect I observe is that some crimes cause racist thugs to riot and some do not.
    When people complain about "Two Tier" they usually mean the sentencing isn't "two tier" enough. They think their kind of thug should get lighter sentences.
    It's bollox isn't it. The reason the term caught on is it's snappy and rhymes with Keir.

    Coming up with facile rhymes on Andy Burnham will be more difficult. Ha - that's real change right there.
    I've got 'Feel the Burn-ham' lined up.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,270
    edited June 10
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    More In Common

    Reform extend their voting intention lead to 10pts this week, with Labour and the Tories tied for second place. 

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 20% (-2)
    🌳 CON 20% (-1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 12% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (+1)
    ❓OTH 3% (+1)
    🟡 SNP 3% (+1)

    N = 2,087 | Fieldwork 5-9/6 | Changes w/ 1/6

    Looks like Labour will need that Burnham bounce, assuming he wins Makerfield and becomes their leader
    The news has all been very Reform friendly over the last week. Harry Nowak, Northern Ireland (a bit late, I guess) and terrible immigration figures of net 100,000 p a if immigration is your thang.
    Net immigration is falling

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyp1ekd584o
    In real world terms the number of immigrants in the UK is still increasing.

    Until the number of immigrants in the UK starts to decrease (which requires negative net migration) then this will continue to be an electoral problem for any government.

    In particular until the number of the 'wrong type' of immigrants starts to decrease this will continue to be an electoral problem for the government.
    Hence Rupert Lowe hopes a good Restore performance in Makerfield will build momentum for its policy of mass deportations
    Fuck that.

    I’m not a happy clappy open borders mass inward migration sort, unlike a few here going into bat for the Epping sex pest and the Belfast Beheader, but people legally here with ILR already given should not be scared about what a future U.K. govt would do,to them

    Fuck Restore
    This is bollocks. No one has gone "into bat for the Epping sex pest and the Belfast header". The argument by myself has been people with absolutely nothing to do with the Epping sex pest or the Belfast header should not be vilified because of the colour of their skin. The criminals deserve to be dealt according to the law. People like Elon Musk get a white supremacist political lift from racially charged political unrest. Why was he and his fans not demanding civil unrest in Cambridge when this happened?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8p08e3jz0o

    I bet you didn't see that on an Elon Musk X post or a Reform poster.
    ‘Beheader’ not ‘header’. I chose the word for its alliterative qualities.

    Check the posts last October. Especially from our Rog. He was simply making small talk and a lewd joke. But a couple of others too minimised it as well.
    You know perfectly well that autocorrect has corrected that for me. It has been correcting Couzens to Cousins all morning too. My bad I should have checked before posting.

    So you have given me a good slap for an autocorrect error but you haven't commented on the unacceptable double standard I have highlighted. Like I said murder is murder. Digwa and Chas Corrigan are both murdering bastards. Nigel Farage commented on just the one.
    There were 522 homicide victims in England and Wales in the year to March 2025, which is the lowest figure since 2015, and the lowest rate since 1977. There is no broader crisis here. There is no evidence that immigration has led to a problem on those numbers. Every one of those deaths is a tragedy, but we should be celebrating that the numbers are so low.

    Most murderers are white, most are British born. But if only the murders committed by immigrants or non-white people get highlighted and spread all over social media by bots, it’s no surprise that people get the wrong impression. This is what Farage/Lowe/Musk/Tommy do. Selectively report, knowing most people never look at the denominator, never look at the full picture.
    In a majority white country the majority of murderers being white is hardly a shock.
    Indeed. So why do we always seem to be talking about murders by non-white people? Because the populist right pick individual cases out of context to spread an erroneous narrative.

    Analyses looking at available data show that immigrants commit about the same amount of crime or less crime than native born people.
    Like Chas Corrigan ?
    Or Tracy Andrews?
    The victims parents were members at Gay Hill. My Dad played golf a few times with the father.
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    More In Common

    Reform extend their voting intention lead to 10pts this week, with Labour and the Tories tied for second place. 

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 20% (-2)
    🌳 CON 20% (-1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 12% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (+1)
    ❓OTH 3% (+1)
    🟡 SNP 3% (+1)

    N = 2,087 | Fieldwork 5-9/6 | Changes w/ 1/6

    Looks like Labour will need that Burnham bounce, assuming he wins Makerfield and becomes their leader
    The news has all been very Reform friendly over the last week. Harry Nowak, Northern Ireland (a bit late, I guess) and terrible immigration figures of net 100,000 p a if immigration is your thang.
    Net immigration is falling

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyp1ekd584o
    In real world terms the number of immigrants in the UK is still increasing.

    Until the number of immigrants in the UK starts to decrease (which requires negative net migration) then this will continue to be an electoral problem for any government.

    In particular until the number of the 'wrong type' of immigrants starts to decrease this will continue to be an electoral problem for the government.
    Hence Rupert Lowe hopes a good Restore performance in Makerfield will build momentum for its policy of mass deportations
    Fuck that.

    I’m not a happy clappy open borders mass inward migration sort, unlike a few here going into bat for the Epping sex pest and the Belfast Beheader, but people legally here with ILR already given should not be scared about what a future U.K. govt would do,to them

    Fuck Restore
    This is bollocks. No one has gone "into bat for the Epping sex pest and the Belfast header". The argument by myself has been people with absolutely nothing to do with the Epping sex pest or the Belfast header should not be vilified because of the colour of their skin. The criminals deserve to be dealt according to the law. People like Elon Musk get a white supremacist political lift from racially charged political unrest. Why was he and his fans not demanding civil unrest in Cambridge when this happened?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8p08e3jz0o

    I bet you didn't see that on an Elon Musk X post or a Reform poster.
    ‘Beheader’ not ‘header’. I chose the word for its alliterative qualities.

    Check the posts last October. Especially from our Rog. He was simply making small talk and a lewd joke. But a couple of others too minimised it as well.
    You know perfectly well that autocorrect has corrected that for me. It has been correcting Couzens to Cousins all morning too. My bad I should have checked before posting.

    So you have given me a good slap for an autocorrect error but you haven't commented on the unacceptable double standard I have highlighted. Like I said murder is murder. Digwa and Chas Corrigan are both murdering bastards. Nigel Farage commented on just the one.
    There were 522 homicide victims in England and Wales in the year to March 2025, which is the lowest figure since 2015, and the lowest rate since 1977. There is no broader crisis here. There is no evidence that immigration has led to a problem on those numbers. Every one of those deaths is a tragedy, but we should be celebrating that the numbers are so low.

    Most murderers are white, most are British born. But if only the murders committed by immigrants or non-white people get highlighted and spread all over social media by bots, it’s no surprise that people get the wrong impression. This is what Farage/Lowe/Musk/Tommy do. Selectively report, knowing most people never look at the denominator, never look at the full picture.
    In a majority white country the majority of murderers being white is hardly a shock.
    Indeed. So why do we always seem to be talking about murders by non-white people? Because the populist right pick individual cases out of context to spread an erroneous narrative.

    Analyses looking at available data show that immigrants commit about the same amount of crime or less crime than native born people.
    Like Chas Corrigan ?
    Or Tracy Andrews?
    The victims parents were members at Gay Hill. My Dad played golf a few times with the father.
    Sat row 29 on Tilton, same block as me.

    He was a lovely guy and the Club looked after family.

    She would appear at times, family had about 4 seats. I always remembered her as she had a very small mouth, a bit weird looking.

    Shocking what she did.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,623
    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnv9j7zdvz8t

    Henry Nowak protesters jailed for throwing objects at Southampton disorder

    They look exactly as I'd expect. They probably beat up women after England lose too.

    One day this exemplary sentence business is going to backfire.
    It is providing more grist to the mill of 'two tier justice'. And frankly two tier political response.
    The Two Tier aspect I observe is that some crimes cause racist thugs to riot and some do not.
    When people complain about "Two Tier" they usually mean the sentencing isn't "two tier" enough. They think their kind of thug should get lighter sentences.
    It's bollox isn't it. The reason the term caught on is it's snappy and rhymes with Keir.

    Coming up with facile rhymes on Andy Burnham will be more difficult. Ha - that's real change right there.
    Note that real Two Tier policing and justice is present in NI

    There will be no accountability for last nights race riot. No one will get 3 years.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,795
    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnv9j7zdvz8t

    Henry Nowak protesters jailed for throwing objects at Southampton disorder

    They look exactly as I'd expect. They probably beat up women after England lose too.

    One day this exemplary sentence business is going to backfire.
    It is providing more grist to the mill of 'two tier justice'. And frankly two tier political response.
    The Two Tier aspect I observe is that some crimes cause racist thugs to riot and some do not.
    When people complain about "Two Tier" they usually mean the sentencing isn't "two tier" enough. They think their kind of thug should get lighter sentences.
    It's bollox isn't it. The reason the term caught on is it's snappy and rhymes with Keir.

    Coming up with facile rhymes on Andy Burnham will be more difficult. Ha - that's real change right there.
    Perhaps Nigel could go all pro-immigration and disparagingly refer to 'Return 'em Burnham' when the numbers drop.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,756

    Sandpit said:

    The US military is developing mini-nukes for bases, and emergencies. They are small enough to be moved by trucks, or even airplanes, and produce enough power for 1,000 average American homes, according to a TV story I saw. (I like the fact that the Army and the Navy have competing programs.)

    The programs are promising the first deliveries by 2028.

    Incidentally, such reactors might be a good for civilian use in parts of the Arctic. (I assume the military reasons for them are obvious.)

    Rolls Royce in the UK is developing something similar, called SMR (small nuclear reactor), intended for town-sized deployments.

    Yes the military use case is obvious, you can drop it in the middle of nowhere and have no need for a constant supply of fuel for electricity generation.
    The middle of nowhere has no connection to the grid.

    The middle of somewhere has NIMBY's. "Would you like a nuclear sub moored on your river? No?"
    Would you like a nuclear sub moored on your river, if it means you ‘leccy bill drops 90%?

    Possibly different answer.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,213
    edited June 10
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
    Good afternoon

    These are the government statistics on the 28th May 2026

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10590/

    Maybe this is salient

    The latest data shows that around 44,000 people were detected arriving in the UK via unauthorised routes in the year ending March 2026. This is around three times the number detected in any year between 2018 and 2020.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,276
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
    Is this some kind of talking point you kids have been reading on lefty Facebook groups?



    Looks broadly in line with recent years...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,864
    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnv9j7zdvz8t

    Henry Nowak protesters jailed for throwing objects at Southampton disorder

    They look exactly as I'd expect. They probably beat up women after England lose too.

    One day this exemplary sentence business is going to backfire.
    It is providing more grist to the mill of 'two tier justice'. And frankly two tier political response.
    The Two Tier aspect I observe is that some crimes cause racist thugs to riot and some do not.
    When people complain about "Two Tier" they usually mean the sentencing isn't "two tier" enough. They think their kind of thug should get lighter sentences.
    It's bollox isn't it. The reason the term caught on is it's snappy and rhymes with Keir.

    Coming up with facile rhymes on Andy Burnham will be more difficult. Ha - that's real change right there.
    Spurnham
    Turnham
    Gurnham
    Learnham
    Yearnham
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,432

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Ukraine has completely destroyed the Crimea bridge!

    https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/2064645197951050183 https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/2064634279305281644

    (No, it’s not the Kerch Bridge, it’s the alternative route through occupied Ukraine to the North, taking out the land corridor. There’s one small bridge left to go, then everything has to go over the Kerch or by sea.)

    I saw on X they have a 1.5 ton weight limit on the Kerch bridge as it clearly hasn't been repaired properly from previous attacks. Of course they could get heavier trucks over as that will be based on an estimate of how many vehicles would be on it at any one time, but it would mean banning civilian traffic and sending over carefully controlled convoys.

    Crimea is rapidly becoming not a very nice place to live.
    Very rapidly.

    Next to the Kerch Bridge there’s a ferry boat for the heavy vehicles. Last week about two dozen fuel tankers all parked right next to each other in the car park by the ferry on the Russian side.

    You can guess what happened next. 💥

    There’s apparently tens of thousands of stranded Russian tourists there, who can’t get fuel for their cars. It’s only a matter of time until the food runs out.

    Crimea River, as Justin Timberlake once sang.
    The world media is just starting to notice that Putin's "inevitable" victory is going rather awry.

    Turns out, if there's one nation on Earth you don't want to take on, it's the Ukrainians. When they shout "Exterminate!!" - Putin should hide behind the sofa...
    But I was told the Russians hold all the cards!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,629
    edited June 10

    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnv9j7zdvz8t

    Henry Nowak protesters jailed for throwing objects at Southampton disorder

    They look exactly as I'd expect. They probably beat up women after England lose too.

    One day this exemplary sentence business is going to backfire.
    It is providing more grist to the mill of 'two tier justice'. And frankly two tier political response.
    The Two Tier aspect I observe is that some crimes cause racist thugs to riot and some do not.
    When people complain about "Two Tier" they usually mean the sentencing isn't "two tier" enough. They think their kind of thug should get lighter sentences.
    It's bollox isn't it. The reason the term caught on is it's snappy and rhymes with Keir.

    Coming up with facile rhymes on Andy Burnham will be more difficult. Ha - that's real change right there.
    I've got 'Feel the Burn-ham' lined up.
    Like this?

    https://www.alamy.com/a-woman-wearing-a-face-mask-walks-past-a-mural-of-the-mayor-of-greater-manchester-andy-burnham-in-manchester-on-10-november-2020-photo-by-giannis-alexopoulosnurphoto-image489352281.html?imageid=E09EEA04-1204-4069-A62C-425D90345AC4&pn=1&searchId=d33edc5d1e9a1f58b4451f333405f183&searchtype=9
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,934

    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnv9j7zdvz8t

    Henry Nowak protesters jailed for throwing objects at Southampton disorder

    They look exactly as I'd expect. They probably beat up women after England lose too.

    One day this exemplary sentence business is going to backfire.
    It is providing more grist to the mill of 'two tier justice'. And frankly two tier political response.
    The Two Tier aspect I observe is that some crimes cause racist thugs to riot and some do not.
    When people complain about "Two Tier" they usually mean the sentencing isn't "two tier" enough. They think their kind of thug should get lighter sentences.
    It's bollox isn't it. The reason the term caught on is it's snappy and rhymes with Keir.

    Coming up with facile rhymes on Andy Burnham will be more difficult. Ha - that's real change right there.
    Spurnham
    Turnham
    Gurnham
    Learnham
    Yearnham
    Maybe he could turn "that'll learn 'em" into a catchphrase. It could be applied to lots of policy areas, from education to criminal justice.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,756

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Ukraine has completely destroyed the Crimea bridge!

    https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/2064645197951050183 https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/2064634279305281644

    (No, it’s not the Kerch Bridge, it’s the alternative route through occupied Ukraine to the North, taking out the land corridor. There’s one small bridge left to go, then everything has to go over the Kerch or by sea.)

    I saw on X they have a 1.5 ton weight limit on the Kerch bridge as it clearly hasn't been repaired properly from previous attacks. Of course they could get heavier trucks over as that will be based on an estimate of how many vehicles would be on it at any one time, but it would mean banning civilian traffic and sending over carefully controlled convoys.

    Crimea is rapidly becoming not a very nice place to live.
    Very rapidly.

    Next to the Kerch Bridge there’s a ferry boat for the heavy vehicles. Last week about two dozen fuel tankers all parked right next to each other in the car park by the ferry on the Russian side.

    You can guess what happened next. 💥

    There’s apparently tens of thousands of stranded Russian tourists there, who can’t get fuel for their cars. It’s only a matter of time until the food runs out.

    Crimea River, as Justin Timberlake once sang.
    The world media is just starting to notice that Putin's "inevitable" victory is going rather awry.

    Turns out, if there's one nation on Earth you don't want to take on, it's the Ukrainians. When they shout "Exterminate!!" - Putin should hide behind the sofa...
    But I was told the Russians hold all the cards!
    The same cards the Americans made up for the Iraqi senior management?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most-wanted_Iraqi_playing_cards

    Ukraine should do the same for the generals and cabinet members still left.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,920

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
    Good afternoon

    These are the government statistics on the 28th May 2026

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10590/
    Really poor graphics. Reminiscent of Sunil's graphs from 2017.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,934
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/southall-stabbing-murder-arrests-london-b1285573.html

    Man dies in stabbing in Southall as police arrest seven men on suspicion of murder
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,194
    edited June 10
    The government will respond to the planning for telecoms consultation fairly soon.

    I am hoping for a large expansion in PD rights to get our 5G coverage up to scratch. This should include allowing all existing towers to be 30m or higher in urban areas under PD, along with PD for use of existing structures.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,797
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    Not a problem for residents of millionaires row
    I'm sorry, Taz, but what can I do. It's where I've fetched up.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,679

    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnv9j7zdvz8t

    Henry Nowak protesters jailed for throwing objects at Southampton disorder

    They look exactly as I'd expect. They probably beat up women after England lose too.

    One day this exemplary sentence business is going to backfire.
    It is providing more grist to the mill of 'two tier justice'. And frankly two tier political response.
    The Two Tier aspect I observe is that some crimes cause racist thugs to riot and some do not.
    When people complain about "Two Tier" they usually mean the sentencing isn't "two tier" enough. They think their kind of thug should get lighter sentences.
    It's bollox isn't it. The reason the term caught on is it's snappy and rhymes with Keir.

    Coming up with facile rhymes on Andy Burnham will be more difficult. Ha - that's real change right there.
    I've got 'Feel the Burn-ham' lined up.
    Followed by 'Crash and Burn-ham'
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,465
    edited June 10
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Ukraine has completely destroyed the Crimea bridge!

    https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/2064645197951050183 https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/2064634279305281644

    (No, it’s not the Kerch Bridge, it’s the alternative route through occupied Ukraine to the North, taking out the land corridor. There’s one small bridge left to go, then everything has to go over the Kerch or by sea.)

    I saw on X they have a 1.5 ton weight limit on the Kerch bridge as it clearly hasn't been repaired properly from previous attacks. Of course they could get heavier trucks over as that will be based on an estimate of how many vehicles would be on it at any one time, but it would mean banning civilian traffic and sending over carefully controlled convoys.

    Crimea is rapidly becoming not a very nice place to live.
    Very rapidly.

    Next to the Kerch Bridge there’s a ferry boat for the heavy vehicles. Last week about two dozen fuel tankers all parked right next to each other in the car park by the ferry on the Russian side.

    You can guess what happened next. 💥

    There’s apparently tens of thousands of stranded Russian tourists there, who can’t get fuel for their cars. It’s only a matter of time until the food runs out.

    Crimea River, as Justin Timberlake once sang.
    The world media is just starting to notice that Putin's "inevitable" victory is going rather awry.

    Turns out, if there's one nation on Earth you don't want to take on, it's the Ukrainians. When they shout "Exterminate!!" - Putin should hide behind the sofa...
    But I was told the Russians hold all the cards!
    The same cards the Americans made up for the Iraqi senior management?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most-wanted_Iraqi_playing_cards

    Ukraine should do the same for the generals and cabinet members still left.
    Two sets. One for the miltary. One for the oligarchs.

    And the jokers being Trump - saying "You have no cards..."
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,465

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Ukraine has completely destroyed the Crimea bridge!

    https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/2064645197951050183 https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/2064634279305281644

    (No, it’s not the Kerch Bridge, it’s the alternative route through occupied Ukraine to the North, taking out the land corridor. There’s one small bridge left to go, then everything has to go over the Kerch or by sea.)

    I saw on X they have a 1.5 ton weight limit on the Kerch bridge as it clearly hasn't been repaired properly from previous attacks. Of course they could get heavier trucks over as that will be based on an estimate of how many vehicles would be on it at any one time, but it would mean banning civilian traffic and sending over carefully controlled convoys.

    Crimea is rapidly becoming not a very nice place to live.
    Very rapidly.

    Next to the Kerch Bridge there’s a ferry boat for the heavy vehicles. Last week about two dozen fuel tankers all parked right next to each other in the car park by the ferry on the Russian side.

    You can guess what happened next. 💥

    There’s apparently tens of thousands of stranded Russian tourists there, who can’t get fuel for their cars. It’s only a matter of time until the food runs out.

    Crimea River, as Justin Timberlake once sang.
    The world media is just starting to notice that Putin's "inevitable" victory is going rather awry.

    Turns out, if there's one nation on Earth you don't want to take on, it's the Ukrainians. When they shout "Exterminate!!" - Putin should hide behind the sofa...
    But I was told the Russians hold all the cards!
    Your were told that by somebody who was told that by Putin.

    To be fair, they do have a lot more cards now...
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,359
    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    Not a problem for residents of millionaires row
    I'm sorry, Taz, but what can I do. It's where I've fetched up.
    Show empathy for others lacking your privilege ?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,270

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
    Good afternoon

    These are the government statistics on the 28th May 2026

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10590/

    Maybe this is salient

    The latest data shows that around 44,000 people were detected arriving in the UK via unauthorised routes in the year ending March 2026. This is around three times the number detected in any year between 2018 and 2020.
    Why would you measure this on a generic tax year basis March to March thereabouts.

    Of course the weather is the biggest impact.

    The fact is the right gleefully bleat when numbers are high in good weather and say nothing when no one arrives for 2 weeks.

    GB News mini studio on the Cliffs must be rusting and windswept.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,270

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
    Good afternoon

    These are the government statistics on the 28th May 2026

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10590/

    Maybe this is salient

    The latest data shows that around 44,000 people were detected arriving in the UK via unauthorised routes in the year ending March 2026. This is around three times the number detected in any year between 2018 and 2020.
    Why would you measure this on a generic tax year basis March to March thereabouts.

    Of course the weather is the biggest impact.

    The fact is the right gleefully bleat when numbers are high in good weather and say nothing when no one arrives for 2 weeks.

    GB News mini studio on the Cliffs must be rusting and windswept.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,344
    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
    Is this some kind of talking point you kids have been reading on lefty Facebook groups?



    Looks broadly in line with recent years...
    It’s here 38% down for the first 5 months of the year compared to the same period last year .

    https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,797
    Good efforts but people are rather proving my point.

    Crash and Burnham - that one might fly if he god forbid does a Truss.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,465
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    The US military is developing mini-nukes for bases, and emergencies. They are small enough to be moved by trucks, or even airplanes, and produce enough power for 1,000 average American homes, according to a TV story I saw. (I like the fact that the Army and the Navy have competing programs.)

    The programs are promising the first deliveries by 2028.

    Incidentally, such reactors might be a good for civilian use in parts of the Arctic. (I assume the military reasons for them are obvious.)

    Rolls Royce in the UK is developing something similar, called SMR (small nuclear reactor), intended for town-sized deployments.

    Yes the military use case is obvious, you can drop it in the middle of nowhere and have no need for a constant supply of fuel for electricity generation.
    The middle of nowhere has no connection to the grid.

    The middle of somewhere has NIMBY's. "Would you like a nuclear sub moored on your river? No?"
    Would you like a nuclear sub moored on your river, if it means you ‘leccy bill drops 90%?

    Possibly different answer.
    Except....your leccy bill will rise by 90% more like.

    Your reminder: no nuclear power station has been built anywhere on the planet without state subsidies.
  • kinabalu said:

    Good efforts but people are rather proving my point.

    Crash and Burnham - that one might fly if he god forbid does a Truss.

    I think he will start off incredibly slowly, not doing much at all.

    It will be small stuff like a bus price cap but nothing substantial. He’ll try to bed himself in as “trustworthy” and not Sir Keir.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,756
    nico67 said:

    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
    Is this some kind of talking point you kids have been reading on lefty Facebook groups?



    Looks broadly in line with recent years...
    It’s here 38% down for the first 5 months of the year compared to the same period last year .

    https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/
    2025 is the outlier on the graph. The other last five years are roughly in line year to date.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,512
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    Not a problem for residents of millionaires row
    I'm sorry, Taz, but what can I do. It's where I've fetched up.
    Show empathy for others lacking your privilege ?
    If people were more willing to show empathy to others lacking their privilege there would be more political support for refugees.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,270
    edited June 10
    Farage thinks it's acceptable to whip up fear, hatred and rioting.

    Let him think that.

    God forbid he ever becomes PM

    If he does he will see the greatest Civil disobedience this Country has ever seen.

    Tens of millions peaceful protest but protest that will systematically destroy his populist brand of fascism.

    Clogging up the arteries of his fascist state by sheer volume. No riots, just mass organised withdrawal of Labour and strangling of his totalitarian bull crap.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,756
    edited June 10

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    The US military is developing mini-nukes for bases, and emergencies. They are small enough to be moved by trucks, or even airplanes, and produce enough power for 1,000 average American homes, according to a TV story I saw. (I like the fact that the Army and the Navy have competing programs.)

    The programs are promising the first deliveries by 2028.

    Incidentally, such reactors might be a good for civilian use in parts of the Arctic. (I assume the military reasons for them are obvious.)

    Rolls Royce in the UK is developing something similar, called SMR (small nuclear reactor), intended for town-sized deployments.

    Yes the military use case is obvious, you can drop it in the middle of nowhere and have no need for a constant supply of fuel for electricity generation.
    The middle of nowhere has no connection to the grid.

    The middle of somewhere has NIMBY's. "Would you like a nuclear sub moored on your river? No?"
    Would you like a nuclear sub moored on your river, if it means you ‘leccy bill drops 90%?

    Possibly different answer.
    Except....your leccy bill will rise by 90% more like.

    Your reminder: no nuclear power station has been built anywhere on the planet without state subsidies.
    No wind or solar appears to have been built without massive state subsidies either.

    The new SMRs appear to actually work economically, with UK energy prices so high thanks to government policy to throw money at intermittent renewables that need conventional backup.

    Pains me to say it, but France got it right.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,920
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
    I think it is absolutely fair for the broadcast media to record high levels of small boat immigration under this Government, but a 40% reduction should also be recorded. Likewise, Angela Rayner's tax arrangements are fair game, but then so should Farage's £5m bung be up for scrutiny. Now I am aware that the Daily Mail, Express and Telegraph have no requirement for balance and because they are not a news outlet neither do GBNews, but the BBC do.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,934
    Brixian59 said:

    Farage thinks it's acceptable to whip up fear, hatred and rioting.

    Let him think that.

    God forbid he ever becomes PM

    If he does he will see the greatest Civil disobedience this Country has ever seen.

    Tens of millions peaceful protest but protest that will systematically destroy his populist brand of fascism.

    Clogging up the arteries of his fascist state by sheer volume. No riots, just mass organised withdrawal of Labour and strangling of his totalitarian bull crap.

    "It's bad news, Nigel. The diversity officers have gone out on strike."
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,213
    edited June 10
    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
    Good afternoon

    These are the government statistics on the 28th May 2026

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10590/

    Maybe this is salient

    The latest data shows that around 44,000 people were detected arriving in the UK via unauthorised routes in the year ending March 2026. This is around three times the number detected in any year between 2018 and 2020.
    Why would you measure this on a generic tax year basis March to March thereabouts.

    Of course the weather is the biggest impact.

    The fact is the right gleefully bleat when numbers are high in good weather and say nothing when no one arrives for 2 weeks.

    GB News mini studio on the Cliffs must be rusting and windswept.
    These are House of Commons statistics

    Until the boats are dealt with this will continue to be a political issue

    Indeed the best way to cool the debate on immigration is to stop the boats and on a human point, stop people drowning at sea and putting rescuer's in danger
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,359

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    Not a problem for residents of millionaires row
    I'm sorry, Taz, but what can I do. It's where I've fetched up.
    Show empathy for others lacking your privilege ?
    If people were more willing to show empathy to others lacking their privilege there would be more political support for refugees.
    As there would for working class communities up and down the country.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,797
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    Not a problem for residents of millionaires row
    I'm sorry, Taz, but what can I do. It's where I've fetched up.
    Show empathy for others lacking your privilege ?
    I've just demonstrated some of that by recognising that many Right Populist voters are being conned with lies and misinformation.

    Ok I suppose I could go the whole hog and fall for it myself but that's rather an unfair ask.
  • Farage has taken Nowak just a bit too far
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,920

    Brixian59 said:

    Farage thinks it's acceptable to whip up fear, hatred and rioting.

    Let him think that.

    God forbid he ever becomes PM

    If he does he will see the greatest Civil disobedience this Country has ever seen.

    Tens of millions peaceful protest but protest that will systematically destroy his populist brand of fascism.

    Clogging up the arteries of his fascist state by sheer volume. No riots, just mass organised withdrawal of Labour and strangling of his totalitarian bull crap.

    "It's bad news, Nigel. The diversity officers have gone out on strike."
    Your journey from one of the most astute Brexit related posters to writing absolute rubbish has developed over a decade. It has been a slow burn. SAD.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,901
    edited June 10

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
    Good afternoon

    These are the government statistics on the 28th May 2026

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10590/

    Maybe this is salient

    The latest data shows that around 44,000 people were detected arriving in the UK via unauthorised routes in the year ending March 2026. This is around three times the number detected in any year between 2018 and 2020.
    It is probably more useful to look at the run rate for 2026 here. So far in June there have been no small boat arrivals.

    https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/channel-crossings-tracker/

    2026 is pro-rata the lowest year since 2023, not far off the lowest year since 2021.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,213
    Brixian59 said:

    Farage thinks it's acceptable to whip up fear, hatred and rioting.

    Let him think that.

    God forbid he ever becomes PM

    If he does he will see the greatest Civil disobedience this Country has ever seen.

    Tens of millions peaceful protest but protest that will systematically destroy his populist brand of fascism.

    Clogging up the arteries of his fascist state by sheer volume. No riots, just mass organised withdrawal of Labour and strangling of his totalitarian bull crap.

    The best way is to win the argument and see Farage, like Polanski, maginalised

    Anything else is simply a recipe for horrific division across the country, which is already divided

    Maybe even Kemi will succeed in attracting the vote of the centre right, though this would no doubt cause you to combust !!!!!!!!!

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,799

    Sandpit said:

    The US military is developing mini-nukes for bases, and emergencies. They are small enough to be moved by trucks, or even airplanes, and produce enough power for 1,000 average American homes, according to a TV story I saw. (I like the fact that the Army and the Navy have competing programs.)

    The programs are promising the first deliveries by 2028.

    Incidentally, such reactors might be a good for civilian use in parts of the Arctic. (I assume the military reasons for them are obvious.)

    Rolls Royce in the UK is developing something similar, called SMR (small nuclear reactor), intended for town-sized deployments.

    Yes the military use case is obvious, you can drop it in the middle of nowhere and have no need for a constant supply of fuel for electricity generation.
    The middle of nowhere has no connection to the grid.

    The middle of somewhere has NIMBY's. "Would you like a nuclear sub moored on your river? No?"
    Not quite so much in the US.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,359
    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    Not a problem for residents of millionaires row
    I'm sorry, Taz, but what can I do. It's where I've fetched up.
    Show empathy for others lacking your privilege ?
    I've just demonstrated some of that by recognising that many Right Populist voters are being conned with lies and misinformation.

    Ok I suppose I could go the whole hog and fall for it myself but that's rather an unfair ask.
    That’s not empathy that’s sneery condescention.

    Still, Kamala 😂😂😂😂
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,456
    nico67 said:

    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
    Is this some kind of talking point you kids have been reading on lefty Facebook groups?



    Looks broadly in line with recent years...
    It’s here 38% down for the first 5 months of the year compared to the same period last year .

    https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/
    And a comparative irrelevance, anyway, considering the bigger picture of people coming and leaving our country.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,313

    Brixian59 said:

    Farage thinks it's acceptable to whip up fear, hatred and rioting.

    Let him think that.

    God forbid he ever becomes PM

    If he does he will see the greatest Civil disobedience this Country has ever seen.

    Tens of millions peaceful protest but protest that will systematically destroy his populist brand of fascism.

    Clogging up the arteries of his fascist state by sheer volume. No riots, just mass organised withdrawal of Labour and strangling of his totalitarian bull crap.

    "It's bad news, Nigel. The diversity officers have gone out on strike."
    Your journey from one of the most astute Brexit related posters to writing absolute rubbish has developed over a decade. It has been a slow burn. SAD.
    When williamglenn was posing as a Eurofederalist he was doing it to troll the Brexiters, and you applauded. Now he's posing as a Faragist to troll you, and you seem to be enjoying the performance rather less.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,797
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    Not a problem for residents of millionaires row
    I'm sorry, Taz, but what can I do. It's where I've fetched up.
    Show empathy for others lacking your privilege ?
    I've just demonstrated some of that by recognising that many Right Populist voters are being conned with lies and misinformation.

    Ok I suppose I could go the whole hog and fall for it myself but that's rather an unfair ask.
    That’s not empathy that’s sneery condescention.

    Still, Kamala 😂😂😂😂
    Hey well done on evolving beyond "Kamaltoe" - that's a good direction of travel.

    We'll make a progressive out of you yet.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,864
    kinabalu said:

    Good efforts but people are rather proving my point.

    Crash and Burnham - that one might fly if he god forbid does a Truss.

    I'll give you a 6/10 on the TSE scale.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,222
    "Stokes out of England squad, Root named captain"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/ce371kq48v7o
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,061



    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
    Good afternoon

    These are the government statistics on the 28th May 2026

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10590/

    Maybe this is salient

    The latest data shows that around 44,000 people were detected arriving in the UK via unauthorised routes in the year ending March 2026. This is around three times the number detected in any year between 2018 and 2020.
    Why would you measure this on a generic tax year basis March to March thereabouts.

    Of course the weather is the biggest impact.

    The fact is the right gleefully bleat when numbers are high in good weather and say nothing when no one arrives for 2 weeks.

    GB News mini studio on the Cliffs must be rusting and windswept.
    These are House of Commons statistics

    Until the boats are dealt with this will continue to be a political issue

    Indeed the best way to cool the debate on immigration is to stop the boats and on a human point, stop people drowning at sea and putting rescuer's in danger
    How do you suggest we do that Big_G?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,359
    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    Not a problem for residents of millionaires row
    I'm sorry, Taz, but what can I do. It's where I've fetched up.
    Show empathy for others lacking your privilege ?
    I've just demonstrated some of that by recognising that many Right Populist voters are being conned with lies and misinformation.

    Ok I suppose I could go the whole hog and fall for it myself but that's rather an unfair ask.
    That’s not empathy that’s sneery condescention.

    Still, Kamala 😂😂😂😂
    Hey well done on evolving beyond "Kamaltoe" - that's a good direction of travel.

    We'll make a progressive out of you yet.
    A term I’ve used once in my entire life. But well remembered !!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,313
    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
    Good afternoon

    These are the government statistics on the 28th May 2026

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10590/

    Maybe this is salient

    The latest data shows that around 44,000 people were detected arriving in the UK via unauthorised routes in the year ending March 2026. This is around three times the number detected in any year between 2018 and 2020.
    It is probably more useful to look at the run rate for 2026 here. So far in June there have been no small boat arrivals.

    https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/channel-crossings-tracker/

    2026 is pro-rata the lowest year since 2023, not far off the lowest year since 2021.

    It should be possible to correlate the crossings data with wind speed and direction, and thereby calculate a weather-adjusted figure to make comparisons with different years/months more meaningful.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,679
    .
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    Not a problem for residents of millionaires row
    I'm sorry, Taz, but what can I do. It's where I've fetched up.
    Show empathy for others lacking your privilege ?
    After we have showed empathy to this man, who doesn't seem privileged, not that's slightly relevant, there isn't a lot of empathy left for the thugs that did this to him



    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cevl9j9y8dmo
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,656

    NEW THREAD

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,797

    Brixian59 said:

    Farage thinks it's acceptable to whip up fear, hatred and rioting.

    Let him think that.

    God forbid he ever becomes PM

    If he does he will see the greatest Civil disobedience this Country has ever seen.

    Tens of millions peaceful protest but protest that will systematically destroy his populist brand of fascism.

    Clogging up the arteries of his fascist state by sheer volume. No riots, just mass organised withdrawal of Labour and strangling of his totalitarian bull crap.

    "It's bad news, Nigel. The diversity officers have gone out on strike."
    Your journey from one of the most astute Brexit related posters to writing absolute rubbish has developed over a decade. It has been a slow burn. SAD.
    When williamglenn was posing as a Eurofederalist he was doing it to troll the Brexiters, and you applauded. Now he's posing as a Faragist to troll you, and you seem to be enjoying the performance rather less.
    Not sure the previous persona was pure troll. Didn't he do a real flesh and blood £1000 bet with Fruity Leon on the topic?

    Which I recall he won actually. Isn't that right, William?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,512
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    Not a problem for residents of millionaires row
    I'm sorry, Taz, but what can I do. It's where I've fetched up.
    Show empathy for others lacking your privilege ?
    If people were more willing to show empathy to others lacking their privilege there would be more political support for refugees.
    As there would for working class communities up and down the country.
    I am massively in favour of supporting working class communities. This is why I opposed Osborne era austerity that hurt these communities disproportionately, and why I have supported policies like the renters rights bill. It's why I oppose politicians who seek to divide the working class on race or seek out scapegoats as a substitute for doing anything useful.
    This idea of a hauty left wing elite looking down on the working classes is not just a lazy stereotype, it is in my view an outright lie. Speaking personally, I grew up in the north east of England and Scotland, where my parents like other Labour Party members supported the miners all through the strike. I went to school with working class kids. I've lived on a council estate. I've called out anti working class prejudice over how people talk and the like. It is laughable to me that people like Farage and Tice, ex public school boys who frequent the clubs of Mayfair and take seven figure donations from foreign domiciled billionaires, cast themselves as tribunes for the working class.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 96

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
    Good afternoon

    These are the government statistics on the 28th May 2026

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10590/

    Maybe this is salient

    The latest data shows that around 44,000 people were detected arriving in the UK via unauthorised routes in the year ending March 2026. This is around three times the number detected in any year between 2018 and 2020.
    It is probably more useful to look at the run rate for 2026 here. So far in June there have been no small boat arrivals.

    https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/channel-crossings-tracker/

    2026 is pro-rata the lowest year since 2023, not far off the lowest year since 2021.

    It should be possible to correlate the crossings data with wind speed and direction, and thereby calculate a weather-adjusted figure to make comparisons with different years/months more meaningful.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kulkUAUEWrs

    Peter.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,799
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    The US military is developing mini-nukes for bases, and emergencies. They are small enough to be moved by trucks, or even airplanes, and produce enough power for 1,000 average American homes, according to a TV story I saw. (I like the fact that the Army and the Navy have competing programs.)

    The programs are promising the first deliveries by 2028.

    Incidentally, such reactors might be a good for civilian use in parts of the Arctic. (I assume the military reasons for them are obvious.)

    Rolls Royce in the UK is developing something similar, called SMR (small nuclear reactor), intended for town-sized deployments.

    Yes the military use case is obvious, you can drop it in the middle of nowhere and have no need for a constant supply of fuel for electricity generation.
    The middle of nowhere has no connection to the grid.

    The middle of somewhere has NIMBY's. "Would you like a nuclear sub moored on your river? No?"
    Would you like a nuclear sub moored on your river, if it means you ‘leccy bill drops 90%?

    Possibly different answer.
    Except....your leccy bill will rise by 90% more like.

    Your reminder: no nuclear power station has been built anywhere on the planet without state subsidies.
    No wind or solar appears to have been built without massive state subsidies either.

    The new SMRs appear to actually work economically, with UK energy prices so high thanks to government policy to throw money at intermittent renewables that need conventional backup.

    Pains me to say it, but France got it right.
    No one really knows the cost per MWH for their SMRs until they're built.

    They are way too big to meet the US military requirement (the reactor vessel alone is double the total weight limit, and too large to fit in a C5, let alone a C130).
    They're also PWRs, so don't meet the technical requirements for robustness, either.

    The military reactors are tiny: 5MW maximum, some a tenth of that.
    The Rolls SMRs are 400 to 500MW.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,920

    Brixian59 said:

    Farage thinks it's acceptable to whip up fear, hatred and rioting.

    Let him think that.

    God forbid he ever becomes PM

    If he does he will see the greatest Civil disobedience this Country has ever seen.

    Tens of millions peaceful protest but protest that will systematically destroy his populist brand of fascism.

    Clogging up the arteries of his fascist state by sheer volume. No riots, just mass organised withdrawal of Labour and strangling of his totalitarian bull crap.

    "It's bad news, Nigel. The diversity officers have gone out on strike."
    Your journey from one of the most astute Brexit related posters to writing absolute rubbish has developed over a decade. It has been a slow burn. SAD.
    When williamglenn was posing as a Eurofederalist he was doing it to troll the Brexiters, and you applauded. Now he's posing as a Faragist to troll you, and you seem to be enjoying the performance rather less.
    There is some truth in that, but there iis a difference. His analysis then was incredibly knowledgeable and helpful. Now not so much.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,318
    FF43 said:

    .

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    Not a problem for residents of millionaires row
    I'm sorry, Taz, but what can I do. It's where I've fetched up.
    Show empathy for others lacking your privilege ?
    After we have showed empathy to this man, who doesn't seem privileged, not that's slightly relevant, there isn't a lot of empathy left for the thugs that did this to him



    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cevl9j9y8dmo
    Check the area out with GSV and you'll get an idea of the community there. Lots of flags in evidence. And a rather ironic mural about peace and understanding on one wall.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,270

    Brixian59 said:

    Farage thinks it's acceptable to whip up fear, hatred and rioting.

    Let him think that.

    God forbid he ever becomes PM

    If he does he will see the greatest Civil disobedience this Country has ever seen.

    Tens of millions peaceful protest but protest that will systematically destroy his populist brand of fascism.

    Clogging up the arteries of his fascist state by sheer volume. No riots, just mass organised withdrawal of Labour and strangling of his totalitarian bull crap.

    The best way is to win the argument and see Farage, like Polanski, maginalised

    Anything else is simply a recipe for horrific division across the country, which is already divided

    Maybe even Kemi will succeed in attracting the vote of the centre right, though this would no doubt cause you to combust !!!!!!!!!

    She's as bad as Farage at heart

    There is nothing at all Centreist about Kemi.

    She's marginally more palatable than Pritti and Suella
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,270

    Brixian59 said:

    Farage thinks it's acceptable to whip up fear, hatred and rioting.

    Let him think that.

    God forbid he ever becomes PM

    If he does he will see the greatest Civil disobedience this Country has ever seen.

    Tens of millions peaceful protest but protest that will systematically destroy his populist brand of fascism.

    Clogging up the arteries of his fascist state by sheer volume. No riots, just mass organised withdrawal of Labour and strangling of his totalitarian bull crap.

    The best way is to win the argument and see Farage, like Polanski, maginalised

    Anything else is simply a recipe for horrific division across the country, which is already divided

    Maybe even Kemi will succeed in attracting the vote of the centre right, though this would no doubt cause you to combust !!!!!!!!!

    She's as bad as Farage at heart

    There is nothing at all Centreist about Kemi.

    She's marginally more palatable than Pritti and Suella
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,359
    edited June 10
    FF43 said:

    .

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    kinabalu said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The view from Goodwin Towers.

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    It’s not social media that’s “inflaming tensions”.

    It’s not Elon Musk.
    It’s not Nigel Farage.
    It’s not the ‘far-right’.

    It is the very deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders.

    This policy has to end or it will destroy Western nations.
    6:40 AM · Jun 10, 2026
    ·
    12.1M Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2064583575530287577

    Who seriously thinks there is a "deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders"?

    Anyone on here? Do you @Andy_JS, whom I have always taken to be a serious and considered contributor?

    You may think, as I do, that the policy is underfunded and poorly implemented with leaky borders. You may further think the policy is too lax, etc.

    But a deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration & open borders? Really?
    Well, effectively it is, because that’s what we have. It might be policy to wish it were otherwise, because government can’t think of a nice way of stopping it.
    If we were in a tank with water levels rising, and our approach were simply to wish that it were not, I think it would be reasonable to say that there is a deliberate policy of uncontrolled flooding.
    The boat crossings arent in any sense mass immigration. They are 35-40k per year, about 0.05% of our population.

    The rest of immigration is not uncontrolled.
    I think there is a further point here.

    The boat crossings reinforce the perception of a lack of control, while historically high levels of legal migration reinforce that perception rather than challenge it.

    There is also a scale issue. 40,000 people may be a tiny percentage of a country of nearly 70 million, but people don’t experience immigration at the level of the UK as a whole. They experience it locally.

    A few dozen arrivals in a small town, a local hotel being used for accommodation, pressure on GP appointments, school places or housing can be highly visible even when the national numbers look insignificant.

    That doesn’t mean every concern is justified, nor that every perceived impact is caused by immigration. But it does help explain why arguments based solely on national percentages often fail to persuade people whose experience is much more immediate and local.
    Although if the people voting for right-wing populists were purely those impacted personally by small boat arrivals the polls would be very different. So I do think much of the anger is driven by a false perception (straight out lies as often as not) spread by those populists.
    Not a problem for residents of millionaires row
    I'm sorry, Taz, but what can I do. It's where I've fetched up.
    Show empathy for others lacking your privilege ?
    After we have showed empathy to this man, who doesn't seem privileged, not that's slightly relevant, there isn't a lot of empathy left for the thugs that did this to him



    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cevl9j9y8dmo
    No one is asking for empathy for the paramilitaries and their footsoldiers. So they aren’t.

    Still, nice try
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,119

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Boat crossings down by 40% and net migration has fallen rapidly .

    Farage and co just keep repeating lies which seem to be swallowed by their voters . As for Pochin she should STFU and stop playing the martyr .

    Weather?

    Anyway the down 40% must be the wrong kind of down 40% migrants.
    It’s apparently not down to the weather but the media refuse to discuss it because they only bother when there’s bad news to report .
    I think it is absolutely fair for the broadcast media to record high levels of small boat immigration under this Government, but a 40% reduction should also be recorded. Likewise, Angela Rayner's tax arrangements are fair game, but then so should Farage's £5m bung be up for scrutiny. Now I am aware that the Daily Mail, Express and Telegraph have no requirement for balance and because they are not a news outlet neither do GBNews, but the BBC do.
    The BBC get round their impartiality rules by highlighting the front pages of the newspapers. The Mail, Telegraph and Express tend to feature prominently. The Guardian and the i, not so much.
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