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  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,704
    HYUFD said:

    Fascinating to see Kemi go in like a Barrister.

    Its *very* effective

    She is good here, saying instead of accepting responsibility Starmer has sacked others for his decision
    SKS faltering.

    Vetting is not the same as due diligence

    Pathetic
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,388

    Fascinating to see Kemi go in like a Barrister.

    Its *very* effective

    Agreed.

    Are the PLP really going to let this drag on further?

    For how long?
    Until Burnham has a seat?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer says he's changed the process so that public announcements are not made until vetting is completed, which is exactly the process that Simon Case put to Starmer in the first place.

    Was that the Simon Case on extended sick leave and duplicitous in countless Tory era scandals.

    Of course he was ignored.

    Nobody wanted him there.
    Always best to sack off national security because you dont like a guy in the office
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305
    edited April 20
    So, let's parse that:

    Develop a plan for them to acquire the necessary security clearances
    (not acquire, but develop a plan by which they will acquire)

    and
    (separate line item follows)

    do due diligence on any potential conflicts of interest or other issues you should be aware of before confirming your choice
    (we'll have a scoot round whilst the security clearance is ongoing, and let you know about any issues that would prevent prior confirmation)
    (be interesting to know how that informal process went, wouldn't it!)


    The formal security clearance can be read as an offline process to the due diligence in this and it does not say what Sam Coates thinks it says.

    My conclusion: Starmer is not bang to rights on the basis of this passage.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,220

    If he found out on Tuesday last week, why didn't he make a statement last week?

    He found out on Tuesday night. Parliament programme for Wednesday and SKS already set

    He had a key Globally important meeting on Thursday.
    Parliament didn't sit Friday.

    Today is the first day.

    Badenoch is being frivolous Vexacious and wholly desperate.

    No surprise when she is lazy works 3 days a week and works mainly on Twatter
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,388
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    3m
    Staggeringly, Starmer still refuses to acknowledge he inadvertently mislead the House.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,191
    Thornberry suggesting Mandelson jumped the gun announcing his appointment himself
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,388
    Did the Mr Men series have a Mr Uncurious?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,886
    Starmer finds lots of things unforgivable, but we're supposed to forgive him for his own errors?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,342
    I think I get what happened. Starmer didn't ask any questions. At all. About anything.

    So as Rory Stewart put it he's either a liar or the "most incompetent PM we've ever had"

    Or both.

    Meanwhille SIr Ed Nice points out that Starmer has turned into Boris Johnson...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376

    Thornberry suggesting Mandelson jumped the gun announcing his appointment himself

    Fuck it, ill announce myself as Home Secretary if its that easy
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,704
    Has he even apologised for misleading Parliament.

    Ed Davey good in recalling how he was elected as different to Boris when he is exactly the same in this respect
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,342
    Brixian59 said:

    If he found out on Tuesday last week, why didn't he make a statement last week?

    He found out on Tuesday night. Parliament programme for Wednesday and SKS already set

    He had a key Globally important meeting on Thursday.
    Parliament didn't sit Friday.

    Today is the first day.

    Badenoch is being frivolous Vexacious and wholly desperate.

    No surprise when she is lazy works 3 days a week and works mainly on Twatter
    Bollocks
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,923
    edited April 20

    Fascinating to see Kemi go in like a Barrister.

    Its *very* effective

    Agreed.

    Are the PLP really going to let this drag on further?

    For how long?
    Yes, if Starmer was Tory leader and PM Tory MPs would already have removed him or forced his resignation.

    Labour MPs however couldn't hit a 20 foot wide, 50 foot high target at point blank range! No Labour leader has ever been voted out of office by Labour MPs or Labour members or even forced to resign at a time not of their choosing apart from possibly Blair in 2007 but only after 13 years as leader and for the crime of not being leftwing enough!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,418

    I think I get what happened. Starmer didn't ask any questions. At all. About anything.

    So as Rory Stewart put it he's either a liar or the "most incompetent PM we've ever had"

    Or both.

    Meanwhille SIr Ed Nice points out that Starmer has turned into Boris Johnson...

    Harsh.

    On Boris.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 636
    for once, I agree with Ed (Davey)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,704

    Has he even apologised for misleading Parliament.

    Ed Davey good in recalling how he was elected as different to Boris when he is exactly the same in this respect

    "Take responsibility man"
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376

    Brixian59 said:

    If he found out on Tuesday last week, why didn't he make a statement last week?

    He found out on Tuesday night. Parliament programme for Wednesday and SKS already set

    He had a key Globally important meeting on Thursday.
    Parliament didn't sit Friday.

    Today is the first day.

    Badenoch is being frivolous Vexacious and wholly desperate.

    No surprise when she is lazy works 3 days a week and works mainly on Twatter
    Bollocks
    Statement to the house befire PMQs innit
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,342
    Ed Nice appears to be chewing a wasp whilst spitting out his yes / no questions and demanding Keith resigns.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,886
    Ed Davey asks the killer question about Simon Case's advice.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,220

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,325
    It’s all a bit of a damp squib .

    Instead of fireworks it’s turned into a WI bake sale !
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,342

    Brixian59 said:

    If he found out on Tuesday last week, why didn't he make a statement last week?

    He found out on Tuesday night. Parliament programme for Wednesday and SKS already set

    He had a key Globally important meeting on Thursday.
    Parliament didn't sit Friday.

    Today is the first day.

    Badenoch is being frivolous Vexacious and wholly desperate.

    No surprise when she is lazy works 3 days a week and works mainly on Twatter
    Bollocks
    Statement to the house befire PMQs innit
    "New information has come to light. I have ordered an immediate investigation. As soon as I receive this information I will report back to the house, but for now I am here to discharge my duties and responsibilities to the house under the ministerial code"
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 636
    Diane Abbott - who knew I would ever agree with her? Wonders will never cease.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,593
    Adidas, who are the kit manufacturer for Liverpool, tweeted this after yesterday's Merseyside derby and the fume from the Evertonians in the replies are a thing of beauty.



    https://x.com/adidasUK/status/2045894479572324852
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,139
    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
    Global gravitas? Hah.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,961
    edited April 20
    Brixian59 said:

    If he found out on Tuesday last week, why didn't he make a statement last week?

    He found out on Tuesday night. Parliament programme for Wednesday and SKS already set

    He had a key Globally important meeting on Thursday.
    Parliament didn't sit Friday.

    Today is the first day.

    Badenoch is being frivolous Vexacious and wholly desperate.

    No surprise when she is lazy works 3 days a week and works mainly on Twatter
    Doesn't matter about the Parliamentary programme.
    I'm such circumstances time would have been found.
    Its bollocks to suggest the day was full and time not available.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,191
    Diane Abbott nails it
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,692

    Thornberry suggesting Mandelson jumped the gun announcing his appointment himself

    Fuck it, ill announce myself as Home Secretary if its that easy
    Are you a masochist ?
    Not the cabinet post I'd pick.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,923
    Diane Abbott good 'The PM says nobody told me but why didn't he ask?'
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,342
    Brutal from "Dame" Diane Abbott...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,704
    Sweeney74 said:

    for once, I agree with Ed (Davey)

    Ed Daveys yes no questions not answered.

    Diane Abbott now asking if SKS has any idea about the history of Peter Mandleson?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,920
    Brutal question by Diane Abbott.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,134
    Diane Abbott putting the boot in there
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,146
    From the select committee questioning of Wormald and Robbins, last November
    Qs 258-260 don't look good for Robbins!!

    https://committees.parliament.uk/event/25449/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/#:~:text=In this evidence session, Members,where these processes fell down.

    Q252
    Sir Oliver Robbins: To answer the other part of your question, he did not hold national
    security vetting when he was appointed, but, as is normally the case with
    external appointments to my Department and the wider civil service, the
    appointment was made subject to obtaining security clearance.

    Q254
    Sir Chris Wormald: Let me add, because it may be helpful, that when we
    are making appointments from outside the civil service, which obviously
    happens a lot more regularly than it does for ambassadors, the normal
    thing is for the security clearance to happen after appointment but before
    the person signs a contract and takes up post.

    Q258
    Fleur Anderson: For this appointment specifically, Sir Olly, the Cabinet
    Secretary said that “a thorough process to understand and consider” Lord
    Mandelson’s “private interests” was carried out as part of “the usual
    ambassadorial appointments process”. There wasn’t a panel interview so
    who carried out that assessment? Having done so, did they decide that
    any mitigations were required to prevent any conflicts of interest?

    Sir Oliver Robbins: An external appointee to the senior reaches of the
    service will always be asked to fill in a conflict of interest form. I am very
    happy to share a copy of that standard form with the Committee if it
    would help. It is an opportunity for the candidate to set out the issues that
    they think might actually raise or potentially raise or be perceived as
    raising a conflict of interest. That process was completed in Lord
    Mandelson’s case and his appointment was subject to him going through
    that process with us. The way in which we then discuss with him any of
    those perceived conflicts is obviously a confidential matter between him
    and us, but the process was followed rigorously.

    Q259
    Fleur Anderson: You say “us”. Who was it that carried that out?
    Sir Oliver Robbins: That is for his employer, i.e. the Foreign,
    Commonwealth and Development Office.

    Q260
    Fleur Anderson: Was it you? Who did it?
    Sir Oliver Robbins: He submitted his form. That was assessed in the
    usual way and I did indeed have a conversation with him before he took
    up his appointment.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,342
    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
    Can i refer back to my previous answer?

    Bollocks
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,704
    Christmas how bad is it when even Dianne Abbott is running rings round him

    Why didn't he ask?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,593
    edited April 20
    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
    Nasty homophobia from you.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,692
    In other news.

    Kash Patel has filed $250 million defamation lawsuit against the Atlantic
    https://x.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/2046229683306459163

    I'm looking forward to discovery.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
    Can i refer back to my previous answer?

    Bollocks
    I wonder whether he actually believes any of what he writes or if he's on a per word payment plan and gets a bonus every time he write Kemi.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 636
    Oh, John McDonnell not holding back
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,553

    I think I get what happened. Starmer didn't ask any questions. At all. About anything.

    So as Rory Stewart put it he's either a liar or the "most incompetent PM we've ever had"

    Or both.

    Meanwhille SIr Ed Nice points out that Starmer has turned into Boris Johnson...

    If you ask questions, someone might write the answers down and put them across your desk.

    That would be a rookie mistake.


  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,661
    I don't think he can survive this. Final thrust of the dagger from that most unlikely assassin, Diane Abbott.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,704
    John McConnell says SKS owed Mandleson due to the fact that he got him the leadership of the Party
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,726
    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
    Last year's estimated NEV for the 2025 local elections was significantly lower than the opinion poller's rolling average. A similar drop this year would see Labout at <15%.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,220
    That was an utterly disaterous performance

    Diane Abbot
    Efd Davey
    John McConnell

    Spot on questions

    Utter disastrous from Badenoch

    Bested and Beasted by the above

    She said she had too many questions...

    FFS give us one...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,143
    Sweeney74 said:

    Oh, John McDonnell not holding back

    Mcdonnell and Abbott putting the boot in because Starmer accused others (Corbyn) of that which he is guilty !

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,553
    edited April 20

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
    Nasty homophobia from you.
    I am trying to remember who said that character is revealed by fear and drink.

    The later makes me think of a good friend, who gets ever more elaborately courteous as he gets drunk.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,325
    Let’s hope the Olly Robbins appearance tomorrow is more interesting and enlightening because we’ve learnt nothing new today .
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,220

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
    Nasty homophobia from you.
    I apologise

    I was not giving a personal view but what I genuinely hear as a public perception.

  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 636
    Brixian59 said:

    That was an utterly disaterous performance

    Diane Abbot
    Efd Davey
    John McConnell

    Spot on questions

    Utter disastrous from Badenoch

    Bested and Beasted by the above

    She said she had too many questions...

    FFS give us one...

    Not sure who you're trying to persuade.
    Nobody who actually watched it, that's for certain.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,886
    Brixian59 said:

    That was an utterly disaterous performance

    Diane Abbot
    Efd Davey
    John McConnell

    Spot on questions

    Utter disastrous from Badenoch

    Bested and Beasted by the above

    She said she had too many questions...

    FFS give us one...

    Perhaps Starmer should make a recommendation to the King that he appoint Diane Abbott as leader of the opposition.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,704
    Focus can't be on process alone SKS judgement has to be at the centre of scrutiny
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,593
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
    Nasty homophobia from you.
    I apologise

    I was not giving a personal view but what I genuinely hear as a public perception.

    Bullshit.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    Nigelb said:

    Thornberry suggesting Mandelson jumped the gun announcing his appointment himself

    Fuck it, ill announce myself as Home Secretary if its that easy
    Are you a masochist ?
    Not the cabinet post I'd pick.
    I do love a bit of pain tbf
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,342
    DD of the SS also puts the boot in. With a direct quote of a letter sent to Keith before all this started.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,220
    FF43 said:

    I don't think he can survive this. Final thrust of the dagger from that most unlikely assassin, Diane Abbott.

    MC Donnell and Abbott are a stain on the true Labour Party

    Been stealing a living that should be investigated under the trades descriptions act. They have never been Team Labour. Only when Labour was hijacked by London Communists.

    That said. They delivered far better questions that Twitter queen
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,704
    Now its Wormalds fault

    SACK HIM
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 636
    Karl Turner dropping truth bombs in a most polite manner
  • Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
    Our very own pound shop Malcolm Tucker.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,342
    Brixian59 said:

    FF43 said:

    I don't think he can survive this. Final thrust of the dagger from that most unlikely assassin, Diane Abbott.

    MC Donnell and Abbott are a stain on the true Labour Party

    Been stealing a living that should be investigated under the trades descriptions act. They have never been Team Labour. Only when Labour was hijacked by London Communists.

    That said. They delivered far better questions that Twitter queen
    More homophobia?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,553
    a

    Nigelb said:

    Thornberry suggesting Mandelson jumped the gun announcing his appointment himself

    Fuck it, ill announce myself as Home Secretary if its that easy
    Are you a masochist ?
    Not the cabinet post I'd pick.
    I do love a bit of pain tbf
    What we need is a Home Sec in the style of Churchill.

    I liked the picture of him at the Siege of Sidney Street - using a brick wall for cover. Unlike the soldiers and policemen trying to hide behind a shop window.
  • Brixian59 said:

    If he found out on Tuesday last week, why didn't he make a statement last week?

    He found out on Tuesday night. Parliament programme for Wednesday and SKS already set

    He had a key Globally important meeting on Thursday.
    Parliament didn't sit Friday.

    Today is the first day.

    Badenoch is being frivolous Vexacious and wholly desperate.

    No surprise when she is lazy works 3 days a week and works mainly on Twatter
    You have no credibility on this matter.

    Zero.
    Your first sentence ends with 3 utterly redundant words.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,886
    Starmer's answer to David Davis on why he didn't follow the process set out by Simon Case is incredibly weak.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    Brixian59 said:

    FF43 said:

    I don't think he can survive this. Final thrust of the dagger from that most unlikely assassin, Diane Abbott.

    MC Donnell and Abbott are a stain on the true Labour Party

    Been stealing a living that should be investigated under the trades descriptions act. They have never been Team Labour. Only when Labour was hijacked by London Communists.

    That said. They delivered far better questions that Twitter queen
    She ate him up and spat him out.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,886
    Starmer says that he wouldn't have made the appointment if the information was made available to him, but he'd already made the appointment by then, in defiance of the recommendation he received on process from the cabinet secretary.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,704
    Another non SKS fan asking killer question
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,828
    Brixian59 said:

    That was an utterly disaterous performance

    Diane Abbot
    Efd Davey
    John McConnell

    Spot on questions

    Utter disastrous from Badenoch

    Bested and Beasted by the above

    She said she had too many questions...

    FFS give us one...

    Starmer is not doing very well. He has by some remarkable sleight of hand cleansed Johnson of all his egregious sins. Johnson!

    Who next? Donald Trump, Benjamin Netanyahu, Putin.

    That is piss poor from Starmer.

    Come on Ange!
  • Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
    Nasty homophobia from you.
    I apologise

    I was not giving a personal view but what I genuinely hear as a public perception.

    Bullshit.
    Yep.

    I don't think I have heard that word used in public since the schoolground in 90s.

    I would be utterly flabbergasted to hear anyone use it today.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    When the house is laughing at you as PM its probably time to give up
  • eekeek Posts: 33,922
    Brixian59 said:

    FF43 said:

    I don't think he can survive this. Final thrust of the dagger from that most unlikely assassin, Diane Abbott.

    MC Donnell and Abbott are a stain on the true Labour Party

    Been stealing a living that should be investigated under the trades descriptions act. They have never been Team Labour. Only when Labour was hijacked by London Communists.

    That said. They delivered far better questions that Twitter queen
    They are the elected representatives of their constituents - whether they are in Labour or not is irrelevant to what they do when in Parliament
  • Starmer says that he wouldn't have made the appointment if the information was made available to him, but he'd already made the appointment by then, in defiance of the recommendation he received on process from the cabinet secretary.

    Mr Process can't even get Process right.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,146
    nico67 said:

    Let’s hope the Olly Robbins appearance tomorrow is more interesting and enlightening because we’ve learnt nothing new today .

    See previous link to and extract from Hansard, Fleur Anderson grilled Robbins on this at a select committee session in November. Robbins discussed Mandelson's conflicts of interest declaration with him. So presumably he had the UKSV decision, he had Mandelson's CoI declaration and he had a discussion with him. Then he overruled the UKSV, give him a pass and, unless he's got evidence otherwise, didn't tell Starmer or any other minister.

    I don't think Robbins is going to shed any further light on this ..
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,246

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
    Nasty homophobia from you.
    Been a long time. There was one before. Was it "Paul" or some such very simple username? Years ago, though.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,553

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
    Nasty homophobia from you.
    I apologise

    I was not giving a personal view but what I genuinely hear as a public perception.

    Bullshit.
    Yep.

    I don't think I have heard that word used in public since the schoolground in 90s.

    I would be utterly flabbergasted to hear anyone use it today.
    I am surprised you heard it in the 90s. Sounds much older, to me.
  • Dopermean said:

    nico67 said:

    Let’s hope the Olly Robbins appearance tomorrow is more interesting and enlightening because we’ve learnt nothing new today .

    See previous link to and extract from Hansard, Fleur Anderson grilled Robbins on this at a select committee session in November. Robbins discussed Mandelson's conflicts of interest declaration with him. So presumably he had the UKSV decision, he had Mandelson's CoI declaration and he had a discussion with him. Then he overruled the UKSV, give him a pass and, unless he's got evidence otherwise, didn't tell Starmer or any other minister.

    I don't think Robbins is going to shed any further light on this ..
    I would like someone to ask why he didn't tell Starmer or anyone else.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,661
    Brixian59 said:

    FF43 said:

    I don't think he can survive this. Final thrust of the dagger from that most unlikely assassin, Diane Abbott.

    MC Donnell and Abbott are a stain on the true Labour Party

    Been stealing a living that should be investigated under the trades descriptions act. They have never been Team Labour. Only when Labour was hijacked by London Communists.

    That said. They delivered far better questions that Twitter queen
    Disagree. If you make Badenoch look good, as Starmer has just done, it's time to pack up your dispatch boxes.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 636
    Is anyone (Brixian aside) convinced by the statement and answers this afternoon?
    It is clear he is not going to resign, and Labour's rules make it (too) hard to remove him.
    So he limps on until the next crisis - the elections in 2 weeks.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,342
    One thing strikes me. This whole hour has been heard largely in silence. You would expect that there would be some noises supporting Keith from the government side. And there's been nothing.

    Last time I heard the government back bench this quiet? Barring the "how have we been brought here" despairing questions?

    Liz Truss on her last day...
  • Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
    Nasty homophobia from you.
    I apologise

    I was not giving a personal view but what I genuinely hear as a public perception.

    Bullshit.
    Yep.

    I don't think I have heard that word used in public since the schoolground in 90s.

    I would be utterly flabbergasted to hear anyone use it today.
    I am surprised you heard it in the 90s. Sounds much older, to me.
    Even then, it was only by kids who were deliberately crossing the line and not regarded as polite, but now it is so far over the line even kids don't go near it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,553

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
    Our very own pound shop Malcolm Tucker.
    Please do not insult Pound Shop like that. The local one, before it closed, was very useful.

    also, please do not insult fictional spin doctors like that.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,195

    Brixian59 said:

    FF43 said:

    I don't think he can survive this. Final thrust of the dagger from that most unlikely assassin, Diane Abbott.

    MC Donnell and Abbott are a stain on the true Labour Party

    Been stealing a living that should be investigated under the trades descriptions act. They have never been Team Labour. Only when Labour was hijacked by London Communists.

    That said. They delivered far better questions that Twitter queen
    More homophobia?
    How so, it’s Badenoch he’s referring to I believe.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,689
    Nigelb said:

    In other news.

    Kash Patel has filed $250 million defamation lawsuit against the Atlantic
    https://x.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/2046229683306459163

    I'm looking forward to discovery.

    The story appears to be totally unsourced, and several other publications turned it down.

    Meanwhile, someone who worked closely with Patel says the whole story is totally made up.

    https://x.com/dissidentclint/status/2045310456340840611
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,246
    Do we reckon Keir still wants to be PM, or do we think he's over it? Given how hard it is to remove him, maybe it's more likely he'll just say "fuck it" and quit later this year.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,195
    Sweeney74 said:

    Is anyone (Brixian aside) convinced by the statement and answers this afternoon?
    It is clear he is not going to resign, and Labour's rules make it (too) hard to remove him.
    So he limps on until the next crisis - the elections in 2 weeks.

    No, it’s just weasel words I’m afraid.

  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,434
    This morning on R4 Today, minister Doug Alexander was unable to defend the PM and deal with three main issues. Earlier today I listed them as these:

    1) Unable to defend PeterM being appointed and in place before vetting, in the circumstances where it was known that PeterM was known to have significant links and form

    2) Entirely unable to account for how people, especially Robbins, are sacked for an alleged error of judgment and at the same time the PM is agreed by Alexander and the PM himself to have made a major error in appointing PeterM, against much senior advice, but unlike others he is staying on and blaming everyone else.

    3) Unable to deal with the 'Casablanca' point. Everyone, including the PM, knows the PM was not shocked, angry or surprised at finding out that PeterM had security vetting problems. He was angry that it came out inconveniently due to parliament doing its job for the public.


    I don't think that position has altered with the PM's statement this afternoon.

    He will survive, wounded and unbelieved, until after 7th May, after that, no idea. Not great.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,704
    Sir Olly Robbins needs to bury the corpse of SKS tomorrow.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,061
    edited April 20

    Dopermean said:

    nico67 said:

    Let’s hope the Olly Robbins appearance tomorrow is more interesting and enlightening because we’ve learnt nothing new today .

    See previous link to and extract from Hansard, Fleur Anderson grilled Robbins on this at a select committee session in November. Robbins discussed Mandelson's conflicts of interest declaration with him. So presumably he had the UKSV decision, he had Mandelson's CoI declaration and he had a discussion with him. Then he overruled the UKSV, give him a pass and, unless he's got evidence otherwise, didn't tell Starmer or any other minister.

    I don't think Robbins is going to shed any further light on this ..
    I would like someone to ask why he didn't tell Starmer or anyone else.
    He'll be asked tomorrow
    Edit Starmer just said Rollins told him he wasn't allowed to!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,704
    Sweeney74 said:

    Is anyone (Brixian aside) convinced by the statement and answers this afternoon?
    It is clear he is not going to resign, and Labour's rules make it (too) hard to remove him.
    So he limps on until the next crisis - the elections in 2 weeks.

    As one of SKS's biggest fans i sm on the fence!!
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,434
    Sweeney74 said:

    Is anyone (Brixian aside) convinced by the statement and answers this afternoon?
    It is clear he is not going to resign, and Labour's rules make it (too) hard to remove him.
    So he limps on until the next crisis - the elections in 2 weeks.

    No. His position is hopeless, which does not mean he won't stay on deeply wounded and his credibility gone. This is sad, as he's probably the best, though not good, option in general. Look at the alternatives.....
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,134
    This is starting to really turn against Starmer. It might not be enough to get him to resign but this isn't a confident performance.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,287

    Now its Wormalds fault

    SACK HIM

    Already been sacked over something or other. Keep up.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,920

    One thing strikes me. This whole hour has been heard largely in silence. You would expect that there would be some noises supporting Keith from the government side. And there's been nothing.

    Last time I heard the government back bench this quiet? Barring the "how have we been brought here" despairing questions?

    Liz Truss on her last day...

    I mentioned earlier that the response of the Labour back benches would be key. Apart from the odd sycophant there was incredibly little energy from his party today. He is not loved, admired or supported.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,542
    Taz said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Is anyone (Brixian aside) convinced by the statement and answers this afternoon?
    It is clear he is not going to resign, and Labour's rules make it (too) hard to remove him.
    So he limps on until the next crisis - the elections in 2 weeks.

    No, it’s just weasel words I’m afraid.

    I agree
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,692
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    In other news.

    Kash Patel has filed $250 million defamation lawsuit against the Atlantic
    https://x.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/2046229683306459163

    I'm looking forward to discovery.

    The story appears to be totally unsourced, and several other publications turned it down.

    Meanwhile, someone who worked closely with Patel* says the whole story is totally made up.

    https://x.com/dissidentclint/status/2045310456340840611
    Let us wait for discovery.

    (*That would also be true of Trump saying "fake news".)

    The Atlantic on Monday called the suit meritless.
    “We stand by our reporting on Kash Patel, and we will vigorously defend The Atlantic and our journalists against this meritless lawsuit,” ..
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,220

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The curious thing about this is how disinterested people are. No chatter in the office, not even in the top 10 most read articles on the BBC.

    I think it’s mainly because the country has entirely given up on Starmer but still, curious. A PM might resign and very few care.

    Reminds me of the time Dave (pbuh) announced his resignation and it was the fourth and fifth news item on the 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock news respectively.
    It's because 98% of the public couldn't give a shit.

    Epstein is a dead paedo
    Mandelson is an old puff
    Starmer saved loads of jobs and our tariffs are best on planet.

    The fact he's now standing up to Trump
    The fact Farage is up Trumps ass looking for Badenoch who has entered his colon but lies about it and changes her tune day after after day, means there is no better option.

    Most know he will fall on his sword at some point in 2027 or 2028.

    His global gravitas should not be discounted and Is keeping Labour polling static.
    Nasty homophobia from you.
    I apologise

    I was not giving a personal view but what I genuinely hear as a public perception.

    Bullshit.
    Bollocks
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