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  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    You can't leave her in limbo forever.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited May 2013
    She's the posh boy's problem again.

    Perhaps banging on about welfare, immigration and Europe will keep her happy?

    It's a master strategy that's worked wonders so far... for UKIP.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The wisdom of crowds and Tory voters ...
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    Cameron's management of Dorries is poor - but then again there is the ongoing farce of plodgate and Andrew Mitchell.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Thin news day? When the queen's speech is already number 2 on the news running list.....how far down the news list might this appear?

    Meanwhile the slide in support for the coalition goes unreported...

    But you have given tim @ Pork plenty of fopposting..
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Storm in a teacup ends.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    tim said:

    The misogynist class based clique have played this as badly as they could.
    Now Nadine comes back because they were worried about her joining UKIP

    The real class-based clique in this country is the Labour Party and its apologists like tim. Never-ending bigotry from socialists. They don't have any policies so they resort to insults.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,702
    edited May 2013
    The sooner she buggers off to UKIP, the better for all concerned.

    When was the last time you saw her criticise Labour?

    When she's inside the the Tory tent all she figuratively does is piss all over her own side.

    If she did leave the Tory party for UKIP it would improve the average IQ of both parties.

    Anyhoo, sod her.

    Star Trek at 9:10pm and Star Trek Into Darkness at 00:05

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Sir Alex Fergusson thoughts on separation:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=468478886569091&set=a.321977804552534.75744.301783293238652&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    tim said:

    Iron Daves plans to swing right and get Estate Agents and GPs to fight his anti Farage offensive is going down well on the news.
    No signs of shallow pandering there then

    Any cursory reading of the details will tell anyone that it's incompetent posturing but that's usually enough to fool gullible tory MPs and the amusingly dotty tory spinners.
    Doubt it's going to fool the kippers though.

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    perdix said:

    tim said:

    The misogynist class based clique have played this as badly as they could.
    Now Nadine comes back because they were worried about her joining UKIP

    The real class-based clique in this country is the Labour Party and its apologists like tim. Never-ending bigotry from socialists. They don't have any policies so they resort to insults.
    It's almost forty years since the Tory party voted in a female leader. Labour , alas , still treat women as " window dressing ".
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited May 2013
    Nadine Dorries thoughts on the the nasty party's posh boys.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17815769
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Speaking of competence and the whips.
    Douglas Carswell MP ‏@DouglasCarswell

    Fellow Eurosceptic MPs! Don't forget to apply for a Private Members Bill! Our chance to put In/Out ref before HoC. Whips will be helpful!
    Can't see how that could ever backfire on Cammie. It never has before. ;)
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    tim said:

    @Perdix.


    It has to be nearing the time of year when Samatha has to go Ryanair and get filmed on a date night to counteract this stuff doesn't it?

    Labour make do with Millionaire Ed Milishambles, eating fish and chips on a Newcastle ferry.

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    "It has to be nearing the time of year when Samatha has to go Ryanair and get filmed on a date night to counteract this stuff doesn't it? "

    Tasteless tim brings Cameron's wife into the debate. It reminds me of those cads who dubbed the charming Sarah Brown " Magda ". Cheap and sad stuff.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited May 2013
    Well you can take the person out of Liverpool but you cannot get Liverpool out of the person.
    Imagine, Tim and Nadine might have been neighbours.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    It is entertaining to see tim and Pork endlessly corresponding on how the return of an MP to the Tory fold somehow has more resonance than the retirement of a Scot who achieved great things in England and is a supporter of the Union - but carry on posting!
  • carlcarl Posts: 750
    The whole affair has just been yet another display of David Cameron's incompetence and weakness.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    FPT:
    Neil said:

    antifrank said:

    @CarlottaVance I hope you saw the report by the Institute of Chartered Accountants Scotland (ICAS) on the pensions costs of Scottish independence:

    You are a very naughty boy, antifrank.
    I am, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    carl said:

    The whole affair has just been yet another display of David Cameron's incompetence and weakness.

    The considered view of a Labour supporter! Shocked I tell you, shocked!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,702
    antifrank said:

    FPT:

    Neil said:

    antifrank said:

    @CarlottaVance I hope you saw the report by the Institute of Chartered Accountants Scotland (ICAS) on the pensions costs of Scottish independence:

    You are a very naughty boy, antifrank.
    I am, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
    Depends, are you the Messiah?

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited May 2013
    It's entertaining to see the dotty tory spinner shrieking about the topic Mike has chosen for a political betting site - but carry on whining!
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,996
    Is it just me or has anyone else noticed an influx of Labour ranters here recently ?

    Now we're all entitled to have our say and the more the merrier at PB.

    But these new arrivals do seem rather histrionic, almost as if they were panicking.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738
    CarlottaVance said:

    It is entertaining to see tim and Pork endlessly corresponding on how the return of an MP to the Tory fold somehow has more resonance than the retirement of a Scot who achieved great things in England and is a supporter of the Union - but carry on posting!

    I think the problem is a moribund QS had still more content than Ed's policy papers. They have nothing to say so have said nothing; there's only personality attacks left.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    The problem with these bar charts is that they change the scale with each option. If I change from "less credible" to "no difference", the UKIP bar shrinks, even though it's going up from 35% to 42%.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The poll seems to show mainly that Conservative voters are more likely to have a view on whether Nadine Dorries should be let back into the fold. As well as being more likely to be hostile to her return, they're more likely to be welcoming of her return.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738
    another_richard said:

    Is it just me or has anyone else noticed an influx of Labour ranters here recently ?

    Now we're all entitled to have our say and the more the merrier at PB.

    But these new arrivals do seem rather histrionic, almost as if they were panicking.

    It's getting harder to tell the spoofers from the shills.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Only a few days ago Mike Highlighted this.
    Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft

    It's starting to appear "nasty" that the whip has not been restored to @NadineDorriesMP
    The considered view of a Labour supporter! Shocked I tell you, shocked!

    LOL

    The inept tory spinners are always the last to get it.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    For those of us that have been worried about how much the House of Representatives has been gridlocked in the US, don't worry. They're finally getting round to doing something tonight: voting to repeal Obamacare. For the 37th time.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited May 2013
    antifrank said:

    As well as being more likely to be hostile to her return, they're more likely to be welcoming of her return.

    Probably another reason why Mike highlighted "Polling carried out BEFORE the news of Nadine’s reinstatement". Afterwards it might prove different.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Socrates said:

    The problem with these bar charts is that they change the scale with each option. If I change from "less credible" to "no difference", the UKIP bar shrinks, even though it's going up from 35% to 42%.

    I made that point the other day, and then was blamed for Mike taking the thread down!
  • carlcarl Posts: 750
    Socrates said:

    The problem with these bar charts is that they change the scale with each option. If I change from "less credible" to "no difference", the UKIP bar shrinks, even though it's going up from 35% to 42%.

    Obviously the scale changes. You're measuring a different thing.

    Are you just upset that the UKIP bar doesn't go up every time you click on anything, or what?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    carl said:

    Socrates said:

    The problem with these bar charts is that they change the scale with each option. If I change from "less credible" to "no difference", the UKIP bar shrinks, even though it's going up from 35% to 42%.

    Obviously the scale changes. You're measuring a different thing.

    Are you just upset that the UKIP bar doesn't go up every time you click on anything, or what?
    Obviously it shouldn't because you are cross comparing between related datasets.

    But then accurate use of stastics was never Labour's strong point
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited May 2013
    @tim

    Lobbying likely to prove the most ticklish for the fops.

    I wonder why Clegg bottled out of the lobbying register for the Queens Speech though. The lib dems wanted it so either he wasn't paying attention or they have got something in return.

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Labour rattled by Lynton Crosby.

    How funny.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,840
    Alanbrooke said:

    another_richard said:

    Is it just me or has anyone else noticed an influx of Labour ranters here recently ?

    Now we're all entitled to have our say and the more the merrier at PB.

    But these new arrivals do seem rather histrionic, almost as if they were panicking.

    It's getting harder to tell the spoofers from the shills.
    On both sides Alanbrooke....
  • carlcarl Posts: 750
    Charles said:

    carl said:

    Socrates said:

    The problem with these bar charts is that they change the scale with each option. If I change from "less credible" to "no difference", the UKIP bar shrinks, even though it's going up from 35% to 42%.

    Obviously the scale changes. You're measuring a different thing.

    Are you just upset that the UKIP bar doesn't go up every time you click on anything, or what?
    Obviously it shouldn't because you are cross comparing between related datasets.

    But then accurate use of stastics was never Labour's strong point
    Are you saying Mike is posting inaccurate statistics?

    I strongly disagree.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,093
    Sir Alex - amazing manager & a constituent. Have memories of spectacularly unsuccessful attempt to canvass his house (Osborne's tweet on hearing the news of Sir Alex's resignation)
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    So rattled by Lynton Crosby, they're giving him the full smear.

    Even funnier.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,547
    I can't say that Dorries appeals to me on any level - and she seems to have an exxaggerated ideas of her own importance - but Cameron is not, frankly, good at stroking the egos of his party and does appear condescending to anyone not of his background.

    Anyway apart from this and the retirement of an incomprehensible sounding football manager, is there some real news around?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    The latest has given UKIP record scores...

    So the division of the right is not the result of masterly inactivity by Ed Mili?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    tim said:

    @The Watcher.

    remind us of the other one and why anyone should be scared?

    The one who scuppered the election Brown would have won, with his Inheritance Tax announcement?

    You've never got over it.


  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited May 2013
    taffys said:

    The latest has given UKIP record scores...

    So the division of the right is not the result of masterly inactivity by Ed Mili?

    The Henry Manson thread on Cruddas and Blue Labour is, I suppose, the closest to a "what if?" had labour someone other than little Ed leading them from that wing.

    Thing is, what would really be different if labour went big on immigration and offering to match Cammie's fairly harmless cast iron referendum pledge? It would still boost UKIP since little Ed can no more outkip the kippers than Cammie can. Likely boost them even more if anything.

    Doubt it would have stopped Galloway winning either TBH.



  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    HYUFD said:

    Sir Alex - amazing manager & a constituent. Have memories of spectacularly unsuccessful attempt to canvass his house (Osborne's tweet on hearing the news of Sir Alex's resignation)

    Strange that Sir Alex would choose to live in a Tory constituency.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,093
    Moniker - Well I am sure Tatton is rather more appealing than Moss Side, as the old saying goes 'do as I say not as I do'
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    rED complaining about no new laws for plain fag packages. Maybe he wants some to write his policies on - when he has some policies.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Doubt it would have stopped Galloway winning either TBH.

    I don't disagree. Ed's only problem is if there's some sort of UKIP/tory pact before the next election. I can't see it myself. There will be one eventually, however.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    LOL http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/queens-speech/10044849/Queens-speech-sketch-David-Cameron-farages-for-votes.html

    In the afternoon, MPs debated the speech. Or, to give this tradition its official title, the Blurting of the Scripted Jibes. Ed Miliband warned the Tories against obsessing over Europe: “You can’t out-Farage Farage!”

    Yes, Nigel Farage is now so important, he’s become a verb. I imagine “faraging” is a bit like foraging, but more desperate. (“I’ve just seen the Prime Minister in the street, faraging for votes. Poor creature, he looked half-starved.”)

    I’m sure the Labour leader had other things to say, but I kept getting distracted by his habit of excitedly raising his right index finger, like a cartoon character who’s been struck by an idea.

    David Cameron was on slogan duty: four times he said he was for “people who want to work hard and get on”. At one point he even referred to people who “work hard and save hard”, which sounds a lot less fun than working hard and playing hard. (“Round here we work hard, buddy. But at night we let our hair down by ploughing 25 per cent of our earnings into a private pension plan.”)

    There was also the usual squabbling about borrowing. In summary: Labour thinks the Government is borrowing too much because it hasn't borrowed enough, and that it could get borrowing down by borrowing more. The Government, meanwhile, says Labour's only solution is to borrow, while itself borrowing more and more by the day.

    Essentially the argument is about whether borrowing should be gargantuan, or merely enormous. Perhaps both sides would seem more honest if they actually put it in these terms...
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited May 2013
    perdix said:

    rED complaining about no new laws for plain fag packages

    Not quite. His own MP. Will she get the "Dorries" treatment from the posh boys?
    Sarah Wollaston MP ‏@drwollastonmp 5h

    Did Mr Crosby have any involvement in advising on dropping these public health measures?




  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    perdix said:

    rED complaining about no new laws for plain fag packages. Maybe he wants some to write his policies on - when he has some policies.

    There really should be a health warning attached to all Labour Party communications ;

    Labour : Always increases unemployment.

    Labour: Always bankrupts the country.

    Labour: Kills initiative and causes sloth.

  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    Labour do seem rather rattled, after being over-confident for most of last year largely on the basis of pasties and Leveson, neither of which was ever going to shift votes. Certainly Labour's performance in the locals must have come as a bit of a shock to them, with UKIP picking up the swing which one would have expected Labour to get as the main opposition mid-term.

    This might be because the economy is stabilising, and perhaps beginning to improve a bit, or it might be because the Conservatives have got their act together a bit more, or it might be simply that the press have got bored with attacking the government and want a change of narrative; at the moment, they are bigging up UKIP, but that won't last for two whole years.

    Inasmuch as the Conservatives are doing a bit better in setting the agenda, I don't think it's Lynton Crosby who frightens Labour. It's Ed Miliband. He's been leader for two and a half years; the next election's just two years away. By now Labour should be positioning itself and having at least vaguely plausible-sounding answers to basic questions. Instead Labour's entire platform comprises a platitudinous void. Sensible Labour supporters can't have failed to notice this, and they must be asking themselves 'Is that it? Is Ed really as empty as he seems?'
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited May 2013
    taffys said:

    Doubt it would have stopped Galloway winning either TBH.

    I don't disagree. Ed's only problem is if there's some sort of UKIP/tory pact before the next election. I can't see it myself. There will be one eventually, however.

    You know Farage said he might contemplate a UKIP/tory pact without Cammie for a chuckle and to stick the knife in. He also said Cammie is hugely unlikely to get booted by his backbenchers before 2015.

    Eventually is interesting because Farage also said that to concentrate the minds of tory MPs on what comes after Cammie. Will it be a BOO leadership or more of the same? I can't see there ever being a pact without a BOO tory leader but we shall see.

  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Party for Nads:

    http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/77893/go_nads!.html
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Charles & Socrates:
    Yep, a floating scale does remind one of Disqus's floating time order.

    I like these selectable bar charts, but to my mind they would be improved by having some sort of *fixed* background mesh (as in graphs say) on or over which the bars would appear. At present it seems that each selection effects a rescaling based on the lowest number for that choice. Good art, bad maths.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Carola said:

    Party for Nads:

    http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/77893/go_nads!.html

    *chortle*

    "The news that Nadine Dorries has had the whip restored has prompted celebration among several of her colleagues.

    Among those who saw her return as inevitable was David Davis (who wrote a piece in the Telegraph on Saturday on why she was the kind of Tory the party needed to win back UKIP voters).

    Well, I now hear that DD is hosting a champagne party in her honour on Monday. Invites will go out tonight under the heading 'Return of the Prodigal Daughter', with the subtitle 'Whips admitted only if accompanied by a responsible adult'.

    DD's office, up in what used to be known as the 'naughty corner' of Portcullis (he and Michael Fallon and Mark Field were once all neighbours), will be the location and the bubbly will be provided by none other than Andrew Mitchell (he's got a fine wine cellar after all).

    But there is one slight complication. DD's newest neighbour is none other than Sir George Young. Yes, that's the Chief Whip. The man who suspended Dorries for months, and has only just relented.

    Sir George rarely visits his PCH pad, however. So maybe on Monday he'll be spared the sight and sound of the partying from next door"

  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    The Footy managerial merry-go-round -

    So OGS isn't going to get the Man Utd job (at least not this time around). But what are his chances of taking over from Moyes at Everton?
    Rather better I suspect than the 66/1 on offer from SkyBet (most of the other bookies have him at 20/1). Solskjær is certain to land a big job in English football before long .... it's simply a question of where.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Congratulations Nadine!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,603
    I endorse Ed's UKIP-themed tie at PMQs this afternoon!

    :)
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited May 2013
    AndreaParma_82 said:

    Congratulations Nadine!

    Tory women seem to be made of the right stuff. " Blair's babes " and the current crop of Labour window dressing were and are even more submissive and docile than their pathetic male colleagues.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,603
    tim said:

    The misogynist class based clique have played this as badly as they could.
    Now Nadine comes back because they were worried about her joining UKIP

    @tim

    When will the Labour misogynists elect a female leader?
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2013
    @Moniker

    yes, the Tories have a good tradition of female MPs who were out of their depth.

    Shirley Williams suggested that Maggie blocked the career of female MPs not promoting them. But looking at the list of the women Tory MPs in the 80s....Dame Jill "Set the Fire all right" Knight.....Elaine Kellett-Bowman... ..Ann Winterton

    it's no wonder she didn't promote any of them.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,093
    Cameron to Chukka today "Can we change our Wikipedia entry, Yes we can." Hilarious Cameron dig at a Chuka Umunna who suffers from Obama comparisons
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,093
    SeanT - Terrible though their crimes were they did not kill them, although clearly they should be jailed for a long time. I would only consider the death penalty for those who actually took life, and then only for serial killers, to reduce the risk of miscarriages of justice and also so it is not aimed at those who made one terrible mistake
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    AndreaParma_82 said:

    @Moniker

    yes, the Tories have a good tradition of female MPs who were out of their depth.

    I see you still haven't got over my accurate description of Bersani as a Prescott level imbecile.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,566
    I still believe Nadine will face a deselection attempt by Mid Beds local party, with the whip approved far harder to see her running off to UKIP if it happens. She could well hold her seat for UKIP so not an empty threat. I wonderif local party will now face pressure to keep her.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited May 2013
    Dorries might not be advised to celebrate too hard just yet.
    Telegraph Politics ‏@TelePolitics 2h

    .@afneil's question still needs an answer, says Peter Oborne: How much did you earn in the jungle, Nadine Dorries? http://soa.li/2RDuZiQ
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2013
    @Moniker

    Don't feel touchy, my dear. It doesn't suit you.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited May 2013
    "Rush hour trivia: The reason why we've allegedly hacked? Someone was joining #UKIP every six minutes on Friday, with 229 joining by midnight"

    https://twitter.com/RobBurberry/status/332178785220820993

    EDIT
    "We had already planned to migrate our new site to a new server on Monday evening and as we went ahead with that, the attacks began again, bringing the site down. We are working with the new hosts and our developers to fix the issue"

    http://networkedblogs.com/L21nd
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PickardJE: RT @Barsacq: @PickardJE What? Ukip wanted to employ an immigrant as election strategist?

    @PickardJE: The plot thickens: Lynton Crosby denies having ever been approached by Ukip, despite the latter's claims, says Tory source.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,093
    Lucas to join picket against her own party
    http://liberalconspiracy.org/2013/05/08/caroline-lucas-says-shell-join-picket-against-her-own-party/
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2013
    O/T:

    Anglesey results by division:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dEhIamVuN3VKbGwxN1doUGlTdjlVR0E#gid=0

    Not entirely satisfactory of course because there's the difficult question of whether to take the top vote from a number of independent candidates in multi-member wards as if there were a party known as "Independent" when in fact they probably often have nothing in common with each other. I have decided to take the top vote for independents.

    Votes:

    Ind 9,958
    PC 9,021
    Lab 6,273
    UKIP 4,447
    Con 2,703
    LD 2,360
    Others 672

    Percentages:

    Ind 28.10%
    PC 25.46%
    Lab 17.70%
    UKIP 12.55%
    Con 7.63%
    LD 6.66%
    Others 1.90%

    Totals spreadsheet:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dDFzVlVSWGtOaGlNQllBQjBmVzc0Mnc#gid=0
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    HYUFD said:

    Lucas to join picket against her own party
    http://liberalconspiracy.org/2013/05/08/caroline-lucas-says-shell-join-picket-against-her-own-party/

    We know. Neil wouldn't shut up about it. You know how he is with green issues. ;)

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    One Nation...

    @DanHannanMEP: When Nigel Lawson says we should leave the EU, it'a a 'massive Tory split'; when Gisela Stuart says the same thing in the same paper...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,526
    SeanT said:


    At the very least, these guys should suffer Lex Talionis. Have them locked and chained in a small fetid room and continuously raped for a decade. Then put them in solitary until they expire.

    Isn't that already pretty close to what the US justice system does to many?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    SeanT said:

    Finding it difficult to work out why the three guys who kidnapped, raped and chained those three girls - for a decade - should not be put to death in the electric chair.

    Any ideas?

    Because it'd be a short punishment? I'd rather they were left to rot in a cell for the rest of their lives.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,093
    SeanT - Well I suppose that would be akin to Middle Eastern justice where the punishment sometimes literally fits the crime!

    MickPork - Thanks, apologies for not noticing it had been discussed
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited May 2013
    Scott_P said:

    One Nation...

    @DanHannanMEP: When Nigel Lawson says we should leave the EU, it'a a 'massive Tory split'; when Gisela Stuart says the same thing in the same paper...

    The Tory Party is still capable of splits and factions , the signs of life. Labour has been drained of all intellectual and moral worth , it's now an indivisible mass of inert dead matter.

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited May 2013
    HYUFD said:

    SeanT - Well I suppose that would be akin to Middle Eastern justice where the punishment sometimes literally fits the crime!

    MickPork - Thanks, apologies for not noticing it had been discussed

    It was irony HYUFD. The ;) was the clue.

    Thank you for posting that as it is interesting to see what's happening with the greens since they do still have a similar number of councillors to UKIP and indeed an MP which UKIP still do not. Dorries looking unlikely to help them on that score.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The shocking thing about abduction is that it used to be common in all sorts of societies: one example is the Appalachian Mountain area in the 18th century.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    tim said:

    The misogynist class based clique have played this as badly as they could.
    Now Nadine comes back because they were worried about her joining UKIP

    Sunil, give them the chance to add Jack Dromey to the All Women Shortlist first!
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    The brand new official UKIP web site, with whistles and bells, is now up and running.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,131
    Good evening, everyone.

    Not long until F1 finally returns. Nyoooooooom!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,093
    Another classic Matt
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,093
    China may not now overtake America after all?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/10044456/China-may-not-overtake-America-this-century-after-all.html
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,131
    Mr. K, bells are welcome, but are there wiffle sticks?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Well some of it's working. ;)
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited May 2013
    MikeK said:

    The brand new official UKIP web site, with whistles and bells, is now up and running.

    If you say so. "problem loading page".

    DDOS by reknowned hacker Cr05by.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    MikeK said:

    The brand new official UKIP web site, with whistles and bells, is now up and running.

    Not loading for me yet (Virgin media). What's different about it?

  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    LabourList.

    'Trust in politicians has hit a new low with just 18% of the public saying they would trust us to tell the truth, compared to 21% who would trust bankers. It is a sad day for us when those who have caused the financial crisis are viewed more highly than those of us trying to find solutions to it.'

    And they wonder why people don't vote.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    anotherDave said:

    What's different about it?

    It has all new interactive graphics where you can click on a tiny picture of Cammie and watch him posture on immigration, welfare and Europe while Farage pats him on the head and laughs uproariously...

    Probably.. ;)
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Mick_Pork said:

    anotherDave said:

    What's different about it?

    It has all new interactive graphics where you can click on a tiny picture of Cammie and watch him posture on immigration, welfare and Europe while Farage pats him on the head and laughs uproariously...

    Probably.. ;)
    During the 2010 election someone brought out a web app where you could click-to-punch the party leader of your choice. Surprisingly satisfying. :-)
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited May 2013
    anotherDave said:

    During the 2010 election someone brought out a web app where you could click-to-punch the party leader of your choice. Surprisingly satisfying. :-)

    I guarantee that will make a comeback in 2015. Poor old Cleggy. ;-)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,131
    Mr. HYUFD, that's a rather good cartoon. Matt's a clever chap.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2013
    Re. Somerset, Wikipedia now has the totals, although both votes for the two-member division in Glastonbury & Street have been included:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset_County_Council_election,_2013

    Votes (including only the top candidates in Glastonbury & Street):

    Con: 49,516
    LD: 36,743
    UKIP: 28,026
    Lab: 16,993
    Green: 5,648
    Ind: 4,333
    ED: 42

    Total: 141,301

    Percentages:

    Con: 35.04%
    LD: 26.00%
    UKIP: 19.83%
    Lab: 12.03%
    Green: 4.00%
    Ind: 3.07%
    ED: 0.03%

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dDFzVlVSWGtOaGlNQllBQjBmVzc0Mnc#gid=0
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,603
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The sooner she buggers off to UKIP, the better for all concerned.

    When was the last time you saw her criticise Labour?

    When she's inside the the Tory tent all she figuratively does is piss all over her own side.

    If she did leave the Tory party for UKIP it would improve the average IQ of both parties.

    Anyhoo, sod her.

    Star Trek at 9:10pm and Star Trek Into Darkness at 00:05

    Don't you mean Star Trek Into Crapness?

    :)

    (quickly inserts emotion chip)
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited May 2013
    anotherDave said:

    MikeK said:

    The brand new official UKIP web site, with whistles and bells, is now up and running.

    Not loading for me yet (Virgin media). What's different about it?

    Sorry guys, it appears that I have jumped the gun, (I'm always jumping or falling over things, these days). The damn site has vanished again. I've been told that it's having teething troubles. Great new design though, many more things to do and look at. So I guess another few hours of patient waiting.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2013
    I've been pointing out recently that China's population has almost reached its peak, about 15 years earlier than was being predicted until very recently.

    2010 (end): 1,339,000,000
    2011 (end): 1,347,000,000
    2012 (end): 1,354,000,000
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/queens-speech/10042767/Landlords-told-vet-migrant-tenants.html

    If this was enforced - which it won't be obviously as it's just spin - it would save a ton in housing benefit fraud.

    F'rinstance the mexican bod living in the garage in this says he's paying 1000 a month rent.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21574772

    I'd be very surprised if he is earning a grand a month in total but i wouldn't be at all surprised if that's the amount on the housing benefit claim someone else is pocketing.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited May 2013
    Blimey I've only renewed by twitter account three days ago, and I've got masses of messages to go through. Is it worth it?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,131
    Ha, Mr. T, you bounder, you.

    [Incidentally, as 'payment' for the theft of the UKIPalypse I'd be delighted if you tweeted once or twice about Journey to Altmortis: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Journey-to-Altmortis-ebook/dp/B00COAEOS8/].
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