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  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,105
    edited 8:23PM
    What puzzles me rather is that people are concerned about not jetting away for their holiday and never giving a thought to whether they'd be able to get back.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,814
    https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/05/trump-holocaust-museum-00859274

    ‘Proactively fall in line:’ Holocaust Memorial Museum quietly changed content after Trump returned to office

    In the first year of President Donald Trump’s second term, the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington quietly removed from its website educational resources about American racism and canceled a workshop about the “fragility of democracy.”

    The changes, which have not been previously reported, came as Trump cracked down on what he called “corrosive ideology” at the Smithsonian Institution, demanding a slew of alterations at the world’s largest museum network to more closely align its content with his worldview. They also coincided with the administration’s efforts to remove content related to diversity, equity and inclusion from federal websites.

    Unlike his posture toward the Smithsonian, Trump has not publicly commented on the USHMM’s content or publicly called for any modifications. But two former museum employees who left amid the changes told POLITICO they believed the museum was altering its content preemptively, so as to not draw unwanted negative attention from the Trump administration. Both were granted anonymity due to fear of professional retaliation.

    “It seems like they were trying to proactively fall in line as to not then be forced to change,” one of the people said.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,058
    AnneJGP said:

    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    Why on earth did Queen Elizabeth II consider Andrew her favourite kid?

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor had a “physical altercation” with one of Elizabeth II’s most senior aides, it has been claimed.

    The former Duke of York was accused of lashing out at Vice-Adml Sir Tony Johnstone-Burt, master of the household, allegedly because he could not accommodate a Pitch@Palace event at Buckingham Palace.

    His behaviour was considered so concerning that Prince Philip, his late father, reportedly felt obliged to write a letter of apology to Sir Tony.

    “It was a routine household matter,” a senior member of staff told Robert Hardman, a royal author. “The Duke wanted to have a reception, and there wasn’t any room. It was as simple as that.

    “Tony said he’d have to wait his turn like anybody else, and the Duke went for him.”

    According to Mr Hardman, it was “not just an outburst of expletives and a jab of a finger” but what one member of staff described as a “kinetic” blow, which caused astonishment in the royal household.

    The alleged incident is described in Mr Hardman’s latest book, Elizabeth II, which is being serialised in the Daily Mail.

    Sir Tony has been master of the household since 2013 and remains in the position working for the King.

    The retired naval officer was among the senior members of staff who led the ceremonial procession out of Buckingham Palace during the late Queen’s funeral in September 2022, performing one last duty for “the boss”.

    His department handles official and private entertaining across all the royal residences, running teams that span hospitality, catering and housekeeping, from florists and upholsterers to specialist craftspeople and caterers.

    Sir Tony is said to have reported the altercation with the former Duke to the Lord Chamberlain, Lord Peel, who raised it with the then Prince Charles, who in turn spoke to his brother.

    The Lord Chamberlain then received a call from an unapologetic Mr Mountbatten-Windsor, who is alleged to have said: “I gather you’ve been calling people and causing problems.”

    Mr Hardman also describes a different incident in Windsor, when grooms from the Royal Mews had been riding some of the late Queen’s horses on the estate.

    “One had waved a firm hand at an approaching car which was revving its engine aggressively,” he writes.

    “It pulled alongside and, through the window, the Duke of York bellowed at her: ‘Who the f--- do you think you are?’”

    The former Duke is said to have demanded her name before taking it up with the late Queen in person.....

    ...According to Andrew Lownie, an author, royal staff were instructed to bow to Andrew any time he entered a room. When anyone forgot, he would allegedly say, “Let’s try that again,” before leaving the room, only to walk back in again.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2026/04/04/andrew-mountbatten-windsor-physical-altercation-aide-queen/

    I'm sure that he's a deeply unpleasant individual, but he's far from having been the only powerful man with a sense of entitlement that made him think he didn't have to abide by the rules everyone else does. And I find this continuing pile-on quite distasteful.

    Why is it only now, when he's been reduced to state of powerlessness, that the press reports this stuff? It would have been much more meaningful if they'd reported on it at the time.

    I've been reading Popbitch for a quarter of a century, even in the early days, his bad behaviour was known, the nickname his bodyguards gave him gets you banned on PB.

    My friend's father has hosted the royals for decades, he said they were all lovely, except Andrew.

    Prince Charles as he was then had some very particular requests, such as an exclusive loo with a certain brand of toilet paper, and that sandwiches had to be cut diagonally not horizontally.

    I think the reason it wasn't reported by the main press was that he was known to threaten them and the Queen acquiesced (mostly indirectly).
    Can I support Charles in his diagonal cut sandwiches preference !

    From AI but it gets to the heart of the matter !

    More Filling per Bite: The acute angles (45°) allow you to bite into the center of the sandwich first, where the filling is most concentrated, rather than just eating crust.

    Better Mouthfeel & Texture: The diagonal cut provides a more satisfying, less-even, and "fancier" experience than a standard rectangle.

    Reduced Crust Ratio: The long, diagonal edge means you start with a "crustless" experience before reaching the corners.

    Psychological Impact: Triangles visually feel like a larger portion than rectangles, and the improved presentation enhances perceived flavor.

    Ergonomics: The point of a triangle fits more easily in the mouth, making it easier to eat without getting condiments on your cheeks
    AI nonsense strikes again!
    In this instance I agree with it . I always triangular cut , they just taste better .
    Interesting that AI assumed the crusts aren't trimmed off.
    People trim the crusts off?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 59,166

    Why on earth did Queen Elizabeth II consider Andrew her favourite kid?

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor had a “physical altercation” with one of Elizabeth II’s most senior aides, it has been claimed.

    The former Duke of York was accused of lashing out at Vice-Adml Sir Tony Johnstone-Burt, master of the household, allegedly because he could not accommodate a Pitch@Palace event at Buckingham Palace.

    His behaviour was considered so concerning that Prince Philip, his late father, reportedly felt obliged to write a letter of apology to Sir Tony.

    “It was a routine household matter,” a senior member of staff told Robert Hardman, a royal author. “The Duke wanted to have a reception, and there wasn’t any room. It was as simple as that.

    “Tony said he’d have to wait his turn like anybody else, and the Duke went for him.”

    According to Mr Hardman, it was “not just an outburst of expletives and a jab of a finger” but what one member of staff described as a “kinetic” blow, which caused astonishment in the royal household.

    The alleged incident is described in Mr Hardman’s latest book, Elizabeth II, which is being serialised in the Daily Mail.

    Sir Tony has been master of the household since 2013 and remains in the position working for the King.

    The retired naval officer was among the senior members of staff who led the ceremonial procession out of Buckingham Palace during the late Queen’s funeral in September 2022, performing one last duty for “the boss”.

    His department handles official and private entertaining across all the royal residences, running teams that span hospitality, catering and housekeeping, from florists and upholsterers to specialist craftspeople and caterers.

    Sir Tony is said to have reported the altercation with the former Duke to the Lord Chamberlain, Lord Peel, who raised it with the then Prince Charles, who in turn spoke to his brother.

    The Lord Chamberlain then received a call from an unapologetic Mr Mountbatten-Windsor, who is alleged to have said: “I gather you’ve been calling people and causing problems.”

    Mr Hardman also describes a different incident in Windsor, when grooms from the Royal Mews had been riding some of the late Queen’s horses on the estate.

    “One had waved a firm hand at an approaching car which was revving its engine aggressively,” he writes.

    “It pulled alongside and, through the window, the Duke of York bellowed at her: ‘Who the f--- do you think you are?’”

    The former Duke is said to have demanded her name before taking it up with the late Queen in person.....

    ...According to Andrew Lownie, an author, royal staff were instructed to bow to Andrew any time he entered a room. When anyone forgot, he would allegedly say, “Let’s try that again,” before leaving the room, only to walk back in again.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2026/04/04/andrew-mountbatten-windsor-physical-altercation-aide-queen/

    Because she really loved his father.
    Well Prince Philip was my favourite royal.
    That's one interpretation of what I said.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,058
    If only someone could have warned her in advance.

    MTG leads outraged reaction to Trump’s foul-mouthed Easter threats to Iran: ‘He has gone insane’
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-trump-easter-message-iran-b2952167.html?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,606

    Smell the desperation...


    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    22m
    BREAKING: President Trump's advisors are reportedly texting Iran's Foreign Minister Araghchi in an attempt to continue negotiations, per Axios.

    Trump's strategy for all this has been:

    Bomb shit
    Declare victory
    Insult allies for not helping despite "victory"
    Swear at Iran in unhinged social media post
    Threaten to bomb more shit

    Top work, Don.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,058

    Why on earth did Queen Elizabeth II consider Andrew her favourite kid?

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor had a “physical altercation” with one of Elizabeth II’s most senior aides, it has been claimed.

    The former Duke of York was accused of lashing out at Vice-Adml Sir Tony Johnstone-Burt, master of the household, allegedly because he could not accommodate a Pitch@Palace event at Buckingham Palace.

    His behaviour was considered so concerning that Prince Philip, his late father, reportedly felt obliged to write a letter of apology to Sir Tony.

    “It was a routine household matter,” a senior member of staff told Robert Hardman, a royal author. “The Duke wanted to have a reception, and there wasn’t any room. It was as simple as that.

    “Tony said he’d have to wait his turn like anybody else, and the Duke went for him.”

    According to Mr Hardman, it was “not just an outburst of expletives and a jab of a finger” but what one member of staff described as a “kinetic” blow, which caused astonishment in the royal household.

    The alleged incident is described in Mr Hardman’s latest book, Elizabeth II, which is being serialised in the Daily Mail.

    Sir Tony has been master of the household since 2013 and remains in the position working for the King.

    The retired naval officer was among the senior members of staff who led the ceremonial procession out of Buckingham Palace during the late Queen’s funeral in September 2022, performing one last duty for “the boss”.

    His department handles official and private entertaining across all the royal residences, running teams that span hospitality, catering and housekeeping, from florists and upholsterers to specialist craftspeople and caterers.

    Sir Tony is said to have reported the altercation with the former Duke to the Lord Chamberlain, Lord Peel, who raised it with the then Prince Charles, who in turn spoke to his brother.

    The Lord Chamberlain then received a call from an unapologetic Mr Mountbatten-Windsor, who is alleged to have said: “I gather you’ve been calling people and causing problems.”

    Mr Hardman also describes a different incident in Windsor, when grooms from the Royal Mews had been riding some of the late Queen’s horses on the estate.

    “One had waved a firm hand at an approaching car which was revving its engine aggressively,” he writes.

    “It pulled alongside and, through the window, the Duke of York bellowed at her: ‘Who the f--- do you think you are?’”

    The former Duke is said to have demanded her name before taking it up with the late Queen in person.....

    ...According to Andrew Lownie, an author, royal staff were instructed to bow to Andrew any time he entered a room. When anyone forgot, he would allegedly say, “Let’s try that again,” before leaving the room, only to walk back in again.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2026/04/04/andrew-mountbatten-windsor-physical-altercation-aide-queen/

    Because she really loved his father.
    Well Prince Philip was my favourite royal.
    Ah, the pre-crowned Philip IV - the fair.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,029
    AnneJGP said:

    What puzzles me rather is that people are concerned about not jetting away for their holiday and never giving a thought to whether they'd be able to get back.

    My head of Europe pointed out that our head of technology was flying to Kenya for Easter… he was rather excited at the prospect Kenya might run out of jet fuel…
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,058

    Smell the desperation...


    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    22m
    BREAKING: President Trump's advisors are reportedly texting Iran's Foreign Minister Araghchi in an attempt to continue negotiations, per Axios.

    Trump's strategy for all this has been:

    Bomb shit
    Declare victory
    Insult allies for not helping despite "victory"
    Swear at Iran in unhinged social media post
    Threaten to bomb more shit

    Top work, Don.
    When the fighting - at some point - stops, we will then need to go back to pretending he didn't mean what he said about allies, and also acknowledge that when you get down to it he was actually right about everything.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,045
    edited 8:32PM
    AnneJGP said:

    What puzzles me rather is that people are concerned about not jetting away for their holiday and never giving a thought to whether they'd be able to get back.

    It’s a known issue for our travelling son. One way ticket to Almaty today, no return ticket and planning to come home in a couple of months. If the planes are grounded by then, it’s what? Buses and trains to Shanghai then a packet steamer home?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,648
    edited 8:30PM


    When four is too many and two is too few.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,252

    Why on earth did Queen Elizabeth II consider Andrew her favourite kid?

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor had a “physical altercation” with one of Elizabeth II’s most senior aides, it has been claimed.

    The former Duke of York was accused of lashing out at Vice-Adml Sir Tony Johnstone-Burt, master of the household, allegedly because he could not accommodate a Pitch@Palace event at Buckingham Palace.

    His behaviour was considered so concerning that Prince Philip, his late father, reportedly felt obliged to write a letter of apology to Sir Tony.

    “It was a routine household matter,” a senior member of staff told Robert Hardman, a royal author. “The Duke wanted to have a reception, and there wasn’t any room. It was as simple as that.

    “Tony said he’d have to wait his turn like anybody else, and the Duke went for him.”

    According to Mr Hardman, it was “not just an outburst of expletives and a jab of a finger” but what one member of staff described as a “kinetic” blow, which caused astonishment in the royal household.

    The alleged incident is described in Mr Hardman’s latest book, Elizabeth II, which is being serialised in the Daily Mail.

    Sir Tony has been master of the household since 2013 and remains in the position working for the King.

    The retired naval officer was among the senior members of staff who led the ceremonial procession out of Buckingham Palace during the late Queen’s funeral in September 2022, performing one last duty for “the boss”.

    His department handles official and private entertaining across all the royal residences, running teams that span hospitality, catering and housekeeping, from florists and upholsterers to specialist craftspeople and caterers.

    Sir Tony is said to have reported the altercation with the former Duke to the Lord Chamberlain, Lord Peel, who raised it with the then Prince Charles, who in turn spoke to his brother.

    The Lord Chamberlain then received a call from an unapologetic Mr Mountbatten-Windsor, who is alleged to have said: “I gather you’ve been calling people and causing problems.”

    Mr Hardman also describes a different incident in Windsor, when grooms from the Royal Mews had been riding some of the late Queen’s horses on the estate.

    “One had waved a firm hand at an approaching car which was revving its engine aggressively,” he writes.

    “It pulled alongside and, through the window, the Duke of York bellowed at her: ‘Who the f--- do you think you are?’”

    The former Duke is said to have demanded her name before taking it up with the late Queen in person.....

    ...According to Andrew Lownie, an author, royal staff were instructed to bow to Andrew any time he entered a room. When anyone forgot, he would allegedly say, “Let’s try that again,” before leaving the room, only to walk back in again.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2026/04/04/andrew-mountbatten-windsor-physical-altercation-aide-queen/

    Because she really loved his father.
    Well Prince Philip was my favourite royal.
    That's one interpretation of what I said.
    Oh you mean the Queen made the beast with two backs with somebody other than her husband.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,799
    MelonB said:

    AnneJGP said:

    What puzzles me rather is that people are concerned about not jetting away for their holiday and never giving a thought to whether they'd be able to get back.

    It’s a known issue for our travelling so. One way ticket to Almaty today, no return ticket and planning to come home in a couple of months. If the planes are grounded by then, it’s what? Buses and trains to Shanghai then a packet steamer home?
    Race Around the World without a prize.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,058
    dixiedean said:

    MelonB said:

    AnneJGP said:

    What puzzles me rather is that people are concerned about not jetting away for their holiday and never giving a thought to whether they'd be able to get back.

    It’s a known issue for our travelling so. One way ticket to Almaty today, no return ticket and planning to come home in a couple of months. If the planes are grounded by then, it’s what? Buses and trains to Shanghai then a packet steamer home?
    Race Around the World without a prize.
    Blessed is the journey.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,045
    kle4 said:

    Smell the desperation...


    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    22m
    BREAKING: President Trump's advisors are reportedly texting Iran's Foreign Minister Araghchi in an attempt to continue negotiations, per Axios.

    Trump's strategy for all this has been:

    Bomb shit
    Declare victory
    Insult allies for not helping despite "victory"
    Swear at Iran in unhinged social media post
    Threaten to bomb more shit

    Top work, Don.
    When the fighting - at some point - stops, we will then need to go back to pretending he didn't mean what he said about allies, and also acknowledge that when you get down to it he was actually right about everything.
    Sadly that’s absolutely what I fear will happen. The abusive lover arrives at the door with a bunch of flowers and all’s forgiven. It was our fault for provoking him.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,902
    MelonB said:

    AnneJGP said:

    What puzzles me rather is that people are concerned about not jetting away for their holiday and never giving a thought to whether they'd be able to get back.

    It’s a known issue for our travelling son. One way ticket to Almaty today, no return ticket and planning to come home in a couple of months. If the planes are grounded by then, it’s what? Buses and trains to Shanghai then a packet steamer home?
    Nah, you want the ferry from Kazahkstan to Azerbajan, then bus and train. Probably do it in a fortnight or so.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,523
    kle4 said:

    If only someone could have warned her in advance.

    MTG leads outraged reaction to Trump’s foul-mouthed Easter threats to Iran: ‘He has gone insane’
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-trump-easter-message-iran-b2952167.html?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb

    MTG when you read that she seems a kind caring soul . I’m beginning to wonder whether the real MTG fell asleep and we got the pod person instead !

    This then gives me an opportunity to big up the original 1956 , Invasion of the Body Snatchers which is quite brilliant .

  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,045
    edited 8:42PM
    Foxy said:

    MelonB said:

    AnneJGP said:

    What puzzles me rather is that people are concerned about not jetting away for their holiday and never giving a thought to whether they'd be able to get back.

    It’s a known issue for our travelling son. One way ticket to Almaty today, no return ticket and planning to come home in a couple of months. If the planes are grounded by then, it’s what? Buses and trains to Shanghai then a packet steamer home?
    Nah, you want the ferry from Kazahkstan to Azerbajan, then bus and train. Probably do it in a fortnight or so.
    I was planning on doing that with him originally. But since Covid Azerbaijan no longer accepts foreign visitors by land or sea. Only flights. You can leave Azerbaijan overland or on the ferry to Aktau, but not come in.

    Same reason it’s now not possible to travel overland in the opposite direction, because the Georgia-Azerbaijan land border remains closed.

    Later this year I’m getting almost there: train, ferry and buses from Liverpool Street to Batumi. But sadly no further.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,093
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:



    When four is too many and two is too few.

    I found sandwich cutting a very effective way of giving the illusion of choice to Fox jr as a child.

    Rather than ask what he wanted for tea, I would ask: "do you want your ham sandwich in triangles or squares". He would choose, without questioning the options.
    Have you considered a career in electoral politics?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,606
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:



    When four is too many and two is too few.

    I found sandwich cutting a very effective way of giving the illusion of choice to Fox jr as a child.

    Rather than ask what he wanted for tea, I would ask: "do you want your ham sandwich in triangles or squares". He would choose, without questioning the options.
    TRIANGLES TASTE BETTER

    Yes I am a child. And no amount of protesting will convince me otherwise.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,523
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:



    When four is too many and two is too few.

    I found sandwich cutting a very effective way of giving the illusion of choice to Fox jr as a child.

    Rather than ask what he wanted for tea, I would ask: "do you want your ham sandwich in triangles or squares". He would choose, without questioning the options.
    Can I ask a rather private family question ! What did he choose !
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 59,166

    Why on earth did Queen Elizabeth II consider Andrew her favourite kid?

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor had a “physical altercation” with one of Elizabeth II’s most senior aides, it has been claimed.

    The former Duke of York was accused of lashing out at Vice-Adml Sir Tony Johnstone-Burt, master of the household, allegedly because he could not accommodate a Pitch@Palace event at Buckingham Palace.

    His behaviour was considered so concerning that Prince Philip, his late father, reportedly felt obliged to write a letter of apology to Sir Tony.

    “It was a routine household matter,” a senior member of staff told Robert Hardman, a royal author. “The Duke wanted to have a reception, and there wasn’t any room. It was as simple as that.

    “Tony said he’d have to wait his turn like anybody else, and the Duke went for him.”

    According to Mr Hardman, it was “not just an outburst of expletives and a jab of a finger” but what one member of staff described as a “kinetic” blow, which caused astonishment in the royal household.

    The alleged incident is described in Mr Hardman’s latest book, Elizabeth II, which is being serialised in the Daily Mail.

    Sir Tony has been master of the household since 2013 and remains in the position working for the King.

    The retired naval officer was among the senior members of staff who led the ceremonial procession out of Buckingham Palace during the late Queen’s funeral in September 2022, performing one last duty for “the boss”.

    His department handles official and private entertaining across all the royal residences, running teams that span hospitality, catering and housekeeping, from florists and upholsterers to specialist craftspeople and caterers.

    Sir Tony is said to have reported the altercation with the former Duke to the Lord Chamberlain, Lord Peel, who raised it with the then Prince Charles, who in turn spoke to his brother.

    The Lord Chamberlain then received a call from an unapologetic Mr Mountbatten-Windsor, who is alleged to have said: “I gather you’ve been calling people and causing problems.”

    Mr Hardman also describes a different incident in Windsor, when grooms from the Royal Mews had been riding some of the late Queen’s horses on the estate.

    “One had waved a firm hand at an approaching car which was revving its engine aggressively,” he writes.

    “It pulled alongside and, through the window, the Duke of York bellowed at her: ‘Who the f--- do you think you are?’”

    The former Duke is said to have demanded her name before taking it up with the late Queen in person.....

    ...According to Andrew Lownie, an author, royal staff were instructed to bow to Andrew any time he entered a room. When anyone forgot, he would allegedly say, “Let’s try that again,” before leaving the room, only to walk back in again.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2026/04/04/andrew-mountbatten-windsor-physical-altercation-aide-queen/

    Because she really loved his father.
    Well Prince Philip was my favourite royal.
    That's one interpretation of what I said.
    Oh you mean the Queen made the beast with two backs with somebody other than her husband.
    The "who" is very well known...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,093
    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    If only someone could have warned her in advance.

    MTG leads outraged reaction to Trump’s foul-mouthed Easter threats to Iran: ‘He has gone insane’
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-trump-easter-message-iran-b2952167.html?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb

    MTG when you read that she seems a kind caring soul . I’m beginning to wonder whether the real MTG fell asleep and we got the pod person instead !

    This then gives me an opportunity to big up the original 1956 , Invasion of the Body Snatchers which is quite brilliant .

    Somebody has to be the first from the inner camp to point out the emperor is naked?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,902
    nico67 said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:



    When four is too many and two is too few.

    I found sandwich cutting a very effective way of giving the illusion of choice to Fox jr as a child.

    Rather than ask what he wanted for tea, I would ask: "do you want your ham sandwich in triangles or squares". He would choose, without questioning the options.
    Can I ask a rather private family question ! What did he choose !
    Usually triangles.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,093

    Danny (Dennis) Citrinowicz ,داني سيترينوفيتش
    @citrinowicz
    ·
    35m
    Egypt and Pakistan are currently functioning more as message carriers than true mediators, and it is doubtful they have either the leverage or the capacity to bridge the gap between the sides.


    ====

    Fuck off

    No, you fuck off.

    I told you to fuck off first.

    Yeh but my fuck off is bigger than yours

    etc...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,118
    edited 8:47PM
    Another quiet Leeds United Easter, doing it the easy way.
    Hope you all had a fun day doing fun stuff. Small children egg and gift hunt went as noisily and chaotically as expected. The absolute state of horror on their faces at being alliowed to only consume one of the finds immediately. Oh the humanity!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,093

    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,058


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    My brother has worked for years with people with dementia and has said this for a long time. I don't know that I can fully believe it, but he does seem to be escalating all of his traditional behaviours.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,118
    I've never understood triangular sandwiches.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,799
    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    If only someone could have warned her in advance.

    MTG leads outraged reaction to Trump’s foul-mouthed Easter threats to Iran: ‘He has gone insane’
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-trump-easter-message-iran-b2952167.html?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb

    MTG when you read that she seems a kind caring soul . I’m beginning to wonder whether the real MTG fell asleep and we got the pod person instead !

    This then gives me an opportunity to big up the original 1956 , Invasion of the Body Snatchers which is quite brilliant .

    This is not making America great again. This is evil.
    Can't disagree.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,252


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Yup, the only person to ever punch me was my grandfather during the end of his life as his dementia robbed him off his last bit of dignity.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,803


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Yup, the only person to ever punch me was my grandfather during the end of his life as his dementia robbed him off his last bit of dignity.
    Don't worry, there's still time to break that record.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,105
    MelonB said:

    AnneJGP said:

    What puzzles me rather is that people are concerned about not jetting away for their holiday and never giving a thought to whether they'd be able to get back.

    It’s a known issue for our travelling son. One way ticket to Almaty today, no return ticket and planning to come home in a couple of months. If the planes are grounded by then, it’s what? Buses and trains to Shanghai then a packet steamer home?
    Perhaps you're in a position to help his finances if his journey turns out to be longer than his funds. Lots of people going on holiday abroad don't have any fallback options. It would terrify me.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,058
    Just made a chicken sandwich, and in the spirit of being open to new things, cut it diagonally.

    It was ok.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,648
    AnneJGP said:

    MelonB said:

    AnneJGP said:

    What puzzles me rather is that people are concerned about not jetting away for their holiday and never giving a thought to whether they'd be able to get back.

    It’s a known issue for our travelling son. One way ticket to Almaty today, no return ticket and planning to come home in a couple of months. If the planes are grounded by then, it’s what? Buses and trains to Shanghai then a packet steamer home?
    Perhaps you're in a position to help his finances if his journey turns out to be longer than his funds. Lots of people going on holiday abroad don't have any fallback options. It would terrify me.
    If people can't fly accomodation in various places is going to get cheap. Probably not in the UK though - the opposite I would have thought.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,507
    rcs1000 said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Yup, the only person to ever punch me was my grandfather during the end of his life as his dementia robbed him off his last bit of dignity.
    Don't worry, there's still time to break that record.
    It's a very strange thing. Reagan was 73 when he said age should not be a factor in the election. We went from being a little youth obsessed to a situation in the US where all concerns about the age of candidates have been discarded.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,093


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Yup, the only person to ever punch me was my grandfather during the end of his life as his dementia robbed him off his last bit of dignity.
    That's very sad to read.

    I have a relative going the same way.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,118
    kle4 said:

    Just made a chicken sandwich, and in the spirit of being open to new things, cut it diagonally.

    It was ok.

    Woke insanity
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,606
    kle4 said:

    Just made a chicken sandwich, and in the spirit of being open to new things, cut it diagonally.

    It was ok.

    The spiritual conversion to triangles takes a little time.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,045
    AnneJGP said:

    MelonB said:

    AnneJGP said:

    What puzzles me rather is that people are concerned about not jetting away for their holiday and never giving a thought to whether they'd be able to get back.

    It’s a known issue for our travelling son. One way ticket to Almaty today, no return ticket and planning to come home in a couple of months. If the planes are grounded by then, it’s what? Buses and trains to Shanghai then a packet steamer home?
    Perhaps you're in a position to help his finances if his journey turns out to be longer than his funds. Lots of people going on holiday abroad don't have any fallback options. It would terrify me.
    Yes, and Central Asia is quite cheap. In practice he’d just extend his trip.

    I remember at the time of Eyjafjallajokull so many people embarking on overland odysseys to get home by hook or by crook, at great expense. Best in almost all circumstances to hunker down and stay out until travel normalises.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,093
    kle4 said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    My brother has worked for years with people with dementia and has said this for a long time. I don't know that I can fully believe it, but he does seem to be escalating all of his traditional behaviours.
    They all know it.

    They are all covering it up.

  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,342


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Yup, the only person to ever punch me was my grandfather during the end of his life as his dementia robbed him off his last bit of dignity.
    It's a cruel and sad disease
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,118
    edited 9:06PM
    Triangular sandwiches are the Change UK of bread based foods
    You're literally choking down Gavin Shuker, Mike Gapes and that 'funny tinge' woman
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,093
    edited 9:07PM
    Oh FFS.

    Why on earth does the BBC in 2026 think it needs to bleep the word 'fuck' on a tweet from Trump?

    How many complaints will they get?

    This is part of their problem: constantly in fear of something

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,058

    Oh FFS.

    Why on earth does the BBC in 2026 think it needs to bleep the word 'fuck' on a tweet from Trump?

    How many complaints will they get?

    This is part of their problem: constantly in fear of something

    At least they mention what he said. Outside politics there's still too much of describing something as being offensive without mentioning what it was.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,902
    carnforth said:

    AnneJGP said:

    MelonB said:

    AnneJGP said:

    What puzzles me rather is that people are concerned about not jetting away for their holiday and never giving a thought to whether they'd be able to get back.

    It’s a known issue for our travelling son. One way ticket to Almaty today, no return ticket and planning to come home in a couple of months. If the planes are grounded by then, it’s what? Buses and trains to Shanghai then a packet steamer home?
    Perhaps you're in a position to help his finances if his journey turns out to be longer than his funds. Lots of people going on holiday abroad don't have any fallback options. It would terrify me.
    If people can't fly accomodation in various places is going to get cheap. Probably not in the UK though - the opposite I would have thought.
    It is lovely on the Isle of Wight...

    Some colleagues of mine were stuck in the Maldives and in India for an extra week. Others have cancelled their Dubai spring breaks.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,875
    kle4 said:

    If only someone could have warned her in advance.

    MTG leads outraged reaction to Trump’s foul-mouthed Easter threats to Iran: ‘He has gone insane’
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-trump-easter-message-iran-b2952167.html?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb

    I saw a comment that amused me. He hasn't gone insane, he's gone insaner.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,171

    https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/05/trump-holocaust-museum-00859274

    ‘Proactively fall in line:’ Holocaust Memorial Museum quietly changed content after Trump returned to office

    In the first year of President Donald Trump’s second term, the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington quietly removed from its website educational resources about American racism and canceled a workshop about the “fragility of democracy.”

    The changes, which have not been previously reported, came as Trump cracked down on what he called “corrosive ideology” at the Smithsonian Institution, demanding a slew of alterations at the world’s largest museum network to more closely align its content with his worldview. They also coincided with the administration’s efforts to remove content related to diversity, equity and inclusion from federal websites.

    Unlike his posture toward the Smithsonian, Trump has not publicly commented on the USHMM’s content or publicly called for any modifications. But two former museum employees who left amid the changes told POLITICO they believed the museum was altering its content preemptively, so as to not draw unwanted negative attention from the Trump administration. Both were granted anonymity due to fear of professional retaliation.

    “It seems like they were trying to proactively fall in line as to not then be forced to change,” one of the people said.

    The policeman in the head...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,300
    On the new Ashcroft poll the Conservatives would win most seats and Kemi would become PM. Now alternative vote elections would also benefit Conservative candidates in Conservative held seats as they would get anti Reform voters

    As for the alternative vote for Labour leaders it might actually benefit Starmer, as while Rayner would likely beat him on first preferences he would also pick up votes from Streeting and Mahmood and near split the Ed Miliband preferences if they also stood
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,168

    rcs1000 said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Yup, the only person to ever punch me was my grandfather during the end of his life as his dementia robbed him off his last bit of dignity.
    Don't worry, there's still time to break that record.
    It's a very strange thing. Reagan was 73 when he said age should not be a factor in the election. We went from being a little youth obsessed to a situation in the US where all concerns about the age of candidates have been discarded.
    Then again, this was Reagan's last speech - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J5upAEZOchM

    And they said Reagan was out to lunch at the end. If so, Trump is where?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,105
    edited 9:17PM
    MelonB said:

    AnneJGP said:

    MelonB said:

    AnneJGP said:

    What puzzles me rather is that people are concerned about not jetting away for their holiday and never giving a thought to whether they'd be able to get back.

    It’s a known issue for our travelling son. One way ticket to Almaty today, no return ticket and planning to come home in a couple of months. If the planes are grounded by then, it’s what? Buses and trains to Shanghai then a packet steamer home?
    Perhaps you're in a position to help his finances if his journey turns out to be longer than his funds. Lots of people going on holiday abroad don't have any fallback options. It would terrify me.
    Yes, and Central Asia is quite cheap. In practice he’d just extend his trip.

    I remember at the time of Eyjafjallajokull so many people embarking on overland odysseys to get home by hook or by crook, at great expense. Best in almost all circumstances to hunker down and stay out until travel normalises.
    ISTR during covid the media reporting on people trapped abroad who were in quite terrible plights. (e)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,822

    Oh FFS.

    Why on earth does the BBC in 2026 think it needs to bleep the word 'fuck' on a tweet from Trump?

    How many complaints will they get?

    This is part of their problem: constantly in fear of something

    "The BBC don't know what the fuck they're doing! Thank you for your attention to this matter!"
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,814
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 59,166
    edited 9:20PM


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Yup, the only person to ever punch me was my grandfather during the end of his life as his dementia robbed him off his last bit of dignity.
    That's very sad to read.

    I have a relative going the same way.

    I tell people the same thing, when they do finally pass away, you'll feel happy/relieved then you'll feel guilty for being happy/relieved.

    This is a disease that impacts not only the sufferer.

    My grandfather spent four years hiding the signs (and to be fair we dismissed it saying it was old age) but then last four years were a rapid descent.
    One of my friends from Uni and College of Law was a partner in a London law firm. He suffered a very rapid onset of Alzheimers in his mid-50's.

    The law firm mistook his symptoms for alcoholism. They fired him. And with it, took away his health cover.

    He died in less than a year, in a hospice.

    We can fix most things. Except the brain.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,417
    MelonB said:

    AnneJGP said:

    MelonB said:

    AnneJGP said:

    What puzzles me rather is that people are concerned about not jetting away for their holiday and never giving a thought to whether they'd be able to get back.

    It’s a known issue for our travelling son. One way ticket to Almaty today, no return ticket and planning to come home in a couple of months. If the planes are grounded by then, it’s what? Buses and trains to Shanghai then a packet steamer home?
    Perhaps you're in a position to help his finances if his journey turns out to be longer than his funds. Lots of people going on holiday abroad don't have any fallback options. It would terrify me.
    Yes, and Central Asia is quite cheap. In practice he’d just extend his trip.

    I remember at the time of Eyjafjallajokull so many people embarking on overland odysseys to get home by hook or by crook, at great expense. Best in almost all circumstances to hunker down and stay out until travel normalises.
    Ah yes, the 2010 election and the Icelandic volcano - I remember them well.

    Mrs Stodge and I were in Las Vegas for a fortnight and never saw a thing - the skies were an unclouded blue and the planes were flying. Mrs Stodge was concerned we might have to stay in our five star hotel on the Strip and not be able to get home - I eventually had to break the bad news a couple of days before we were due to leave the planes were flying.

    McCarran was crowded and the backlog of stranded European passengers was still clearing but our flight was on time and we returned to Heathrow and Cleggmania - seems like a different universe.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,168
    AnneJGP said:

    MelonB said:

    AnneJGP said:

    MelonB said:

    AnneJGP said:

    What puzzles me rather is that people are concerned about not jetting away for their holiday and never giving a thought to whether they'd be able to get back.

    It’s a known issue for our travelling son. One way ticket to Almaty today, no return ticket and planning to come home in a couple of months. If the planes are grounded by then, it’s what? Buses and trains to Shanghai then a packet steamer home?
    Perhaps you're in a position to help his finances if his journey turns out to be longer than his funds. Lots of people going on holiday abroad don't have any fallback options. It would terrify me.
    Yes, and Central Asia is quite cheap. In practice he’d just extend his trip.

    I remember at the time of Eyjafjallajokull so many people embarking on overland odysseys to get home by hook or by crook, at great expense. Best in almost all circumstances to hunker down and stay out until travel normalises.
    ISTR during covid the media reporting on people trapped abroad who in quite terrible plight.
    I recall an (Indian?) couple trapped on their honeymoon...

    Found them - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-52721328
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,946


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Fake news.
    My father, with very advanced dementia, retained pretty good manners until then end.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,171
    Nigelb said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Fake news.
    My father, with very advanced dementia, retained pretty good manners until then end.
    Everyone with dementia suffers dementia differently which means different things will disappear at different times.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,171
    What. The. F***
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,907
    FF43 said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Yup, the only person to ever punch me was my grandfather during the end of his life as his dementia robbed him off his last bit of dignity.
    It's a cruel and sad disease
    It is. And it's not (imo) one that President Donald Trump has the excuse of having. I see only the spiralling despotic excess of a rotten to the core, morally depraved, narcissist with total impunity to indulge himself.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,744
    Nigelb said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Fake news.
    My father, with very advanced dementia, retained pretty good manners until then end.
    It would be surprising if people who never much used profanities throughout their life suddenly started using them when they got dementia. Just a theory.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,342
    edited 9:35PM
    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Yup, the only person to ever punch me was my grandfather during the end of his life as his dementia robbed him off his last bit of dignity.
    It's a cruel and sad disease
    It is. And it's not (imo) one that President Donald Trump has the excuse of having. I see only the spiralling despotic excess of a rotten to the core, morally depraved, narcissist with total impunity to indulge himself.
    You make an important point. Donald Trump may or may or may not have Alzheimer's but he has always been a depraved individual who certainly knew what he was doing for most of his presidencies, possibly even now.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,946
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Fake news.
    My father, with very advanced dementia, retained pretty good manners until then end.
    Everyone with dementia suffers dementia differently which means different things will disappear at different times.
    Yes, I understand that.
    He was unusual, though; literally everything else went, and he could be extremely awkward to deal with, but the politeness remained.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,907
    Nigelb said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Fake news.
    My father, with very advanced dementia, retained pretty good manners until then end.
    Same. My mum, several years into AD, remains a lovely person.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,252
    edited 9:43PM
    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Fake news.
    My father, with very advanced dementia, retained pretty good manners until then end.
    It would be surprising if people who never much used profanities throughout their life suddenly started using them when they got dementia. Just a theory.
    Prepare to be shocked, there's plenty of studies showing people who never/hardly swore who then began swearing when they had Alzheimer's/dementia.

    People with Alzheimer’s disease and other dementias may experience significant changes in behavior, and using foul language and swearing is a common one. This behavior change can be extremely baffling and disturbing, particularly if this type of language had never previously been heard from the mouth of the dementia patient. Understanding why this shift in behavior occurs as one progresses through the stages of Alzheimer’s disease can help loved ones accept this unwanted behavior.

    There are two sides of the brain, the right side and the left side, and both play a role in language skills. The left side controls formal language, while the ride side is responsible for automatic speech, swearing, and singing. With Alzheimer’s disease, an unfortunate reality is one’s language skills controlled by the left side of the brain fail before those controlled by the right side of the brain.

    Think of it this way, as a young child, one learns swear words, and somewhere along the line, he or she is told not to use those words because doing so is wrong. That being said, simply because one stops saying the words out loud does not mean that the “naughty” words don’t still come to mind. For instance, say you slam your finger in the door. The first word that likely comes to your mind is a swear word. However, rather than blurt out the word that you know you shouldn’t say, you find a substitution word from the left side of your brain, one that is considered appropriate.

    With Alzheimer’s disease, not only is impulse control lost, so is the ability to find replacement words for the foul ones that come to mind. Therefore, when your loved one searches for another word to say, there is nothing but the swear word to grasp, and this is what comes out verbally.


    https://www.dementiacarecentral.com/video/swearing/
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,907
    FF43 said:

    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Yup, the only person to ever punch me was my grandfather during the end of his life as his dementia robbed him off his last bit of dignity.
    It's a cruel and sad disease
    It is. And it's not (imo) one that President Donald Trump has the excuse of having. I see only the spiralling despotic excess of a rotten to the core, morally depraved, narcissist with total impunity to indulge himself.
    You make an important point. Donald Trump may or may or may not have Alzheimer's but he has always been a depraved individual who certainly knew what he was doing for most of his presidencies, possibly even now.
    Yes, I'm not saying for a fact he hasn't got dementia, he might, that might now be in the mix along with all of his longstanding character/personality defects, I'm just saying you don't need that assumption in order to explain how he's behaving.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,886
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Reform has taken on a sort of Christian/religious politics that I really don’t want to see in this country

    Except without any of the teachings of Jesus about loving thy fellow man, or any of that liberal, woke "sermon on the Mount" type stuff.
    Remember, Christ came with a sword as much as the word. He would likely have machine gunned the dinghies
    That's right: no way did he advocate for people to "turn the other cheek".
    Turning the other cheek was actually a sign of resistance.

    The other cheek being the one that would be struck if you were the equal of the one doing the striking, rather than being their inferior. </>
    How do you get that from the Sermon on the Mount?
    Based on cultural norms in the society in which Jesus was living.

    My mate who has studied this stuff can explain it much better than I can.
    Well that wouldn't be hard based on your response so far.
    Here you go:

    In Jesus’ day, hitting a person on the cheek was a forceful insult, but it was not considered a violent assault. Here, Jesus is specifying a strike on the right cheek, which implies a back-handed slap. Striking someone with the back of the hand (3) could demand a doubled fine because it was “the severest public affront to a person’s dignity.” (4)

    But Jesus is not suggesting that his followers should stand around and take abuse. First, turning the left cheek was a bold rejection of the insult itself. Second, it challenged the aggressor to repeat the offense, while requiring that they now strike with the palm of their hand, something done not to a lesser but to an equal. In other words, turning the other cheek strongly declares that the opposer holds no power for condescending shame because the victim’s honor is not dependent on human approval—it comes from somewhere else. (5) This kind of action reshapes the relationship, pushing the adversary to either back down or to treat them as an equal.

    From: https://bibleproject.com/articles/what-jesus-meant-turn-other-cheek-matthew-539/
    Uhuh. And that fits subsequent sentences how exactly?

    "And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you."
    Read the whole article. It explains 5he passive resistance in those acts too.

    Christ, I'm the fecking atheist - I shouldn't be giving bible study classes.
    It doesn't fit well either with the rest of the Sermon on the Mount.

    I appreciate that there has been lots of sophistry and casuistry to twist Jesus's words to support resistance to Roman rule, but it really doesn't fit the Gospels. Jesus went deliberately to his death and told his disciples not to resist his arrest.

    His kingdom is not of this world. Render unto Caesar etc.
    You’ve missed out the bit where Jesus said:

    “Man’s greatest joy is to slaughter his enemies. To crush them and drive them before him, and to listen to the lamentations of the women.”
    That;s Genghis Khan.
    The signs area all there if you take the time to look. Genghis Khan was the second coming of Jesus Christ.
    Bit less of the peace and love the second time around. Maybe he was not as forgiving about that crucifixation business as he seemed at the time.
    The Heavenly King, whose body count was 20-30 m, believed himself to be Jesus’ brother.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,168
    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Fake news.
    My father, with very advanced dementia, retained pretty good manners until then end.
    It would be surprising if people who never much used profanities throughout their life suddenly started using them when they got dementia. Just a theory.
    It has been observed in some forms of dementia. And studied.

    It seems to be a combination of extreme agitation as the world stops making sense to the person effected and brain damage causing loss of inhibitions.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,105
    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Fake news.
    My father, with very advanced dementia, retained pretty good manners until then end.
    It would be surprising if people who never much used profanities throughout their life suddenly started using them when they got dementia. Just a theory.
    One reads that such people do do so under the influence of anaesthesia, however.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,946
    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Fake news.
    My father, with very advanced dementia, retained pretty good manners until then end.
    It would be surprising if people who never much used profanities throughout their life suddenly started using them when they got dementia. Just a theory.
    Likely the case.

    I don't think dementia reveals the inner person - way too much is lost for that to be true - but I got the strong impression (from many hours in the care home) that it does reveal stuff that was always there, buried or not.

    A lot of those I watched over the course of a few years had their own essential characters, which tended to remain as they deteriorated, even if they might bear little resemblance to what they were before the disease.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,168
    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Reform has taken on a sort of Christian/religious politics that I really don’t want to see in this country

    Except without any of the teachings of Jesus about loving thy fellow man, or any of that liberal, woke "sermon on the Mount" type stuff.
    Remember, Christ came with a sword as much as the word. He would likely have machine gunned the dinghies
    That's right: no way did he advocate for people to "turn the other cheek".
    Turning the other cheek was actually a sign of resistance.

    The other cheek being the one that would be struck if you were the equal of the one doing the striking, rather than being their inferior. </>
    How do you get that from the Sermon on the Mount?
    Based on cultural norms in the society in which Jesus was living.

    My mate who has studied this stuff can explain it much better than I can.
    Well that wouldn't be hard based on your response so far.
    Here you go:

    In Jesus’ day, hitting a person on the cheek was a forceful insult, but it was not considered a violent assault. Here, Jesus is specifying a strike on the right cheek, which implies a back-handed slap. Striking someone with the back of the hand (3) could demand a doubled fine because it was “the severest public affront to a person’s dignity.” (4)

    But Jesus is not suggesting that his followers should stand around and take abuse. First, turning the left cheek was a bold rejection of the insult itself. Second, it challenged the aggressor to repeat the offense, while requiring that they now strike with the palm of their hand, something done not to a lesser but to an equal. In other words, turning the other cheek strongly declares that the opposer holds no power for condescending shame because the victim’s honor is not dependent on human approval—it comes from somewhere else. (5) This kind of action reshapes the relationship, pushing the adversary to either back down or to treat them as an equal.

    From: https://bibleproject.com/articles/what-jesus-meant-turn-other-cheek-matthew-539/
    Uhuh. And that fits subsequent sentences how exactly?

    "And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you."
    Read the whole article. It explains 5he passive resistance in those acts too.

    Christ, I'm the fecking atheist - I shouldn't be giving bible study classes.
    It doesn't fit well either with the rest of the Sermon on the Mount.

    I appreciate that there has been lots of sophistry and casuistry to twist Jesus's words to support resistance to Roman rule, but it really doesn't fit the Gospels. Jesus went deliberately to his death and told his disciples not to resist his arrest.

    His kingdom is not of this world. Render unto Caesar etc.
    You’ve missed out the bit where Jesus said:

    “Man’s greatest joy is to slaughter his enemies. To crush them and drive them before him, and to listen to the lamentations of the women.”
    That;s Genghis Khan.
    The signs area all there if you take the time to look. Genghis Khan was the second coming of Jesus Christ.
    Bit less of the peace and love the second time around. Maybe he was not as forgiving about that crucifixation business as he seemed at the time.
    The Heavenly King, whose body count was 20-30 m, believed himself to be Jesus’ brother.

    “Stilgar,” Paul said, “you urgently need a sense of balance which can come only from an understanding of long-term effects. What little information we have about the old times, the pittance of data which the Butlerians left us, Korba has brought it for you. Start with the Genghis Khan.”
    “Genghis … Khan? Was he of the Sardaukar, m’Lord?”
    “Oh, long before that. He killed … perhaps four million.”
    “He must’ve had formidable weaponry to kill that many, Sire. Lasbeams, perhaps, or …”
    “He didn’t kill them himself, Stil. He killed the way I kill, by sending out his legions. There’s another emperor I want you to note in passing—a Hitler. He killed more than six million. Pretty good for those days.”
    “Killed … by his legions?” Stilgar asked.
    “Yes.”
    “Not very impressive statistics, m’Lord.”
    “Very good, Stil.” Paul glanced at the reels in Korba’s hands. Korba stood with them as though he wished he could drop them and flee. “Statistics: at a conservative estimate, I’ve killed sixty-one billion, sterilized ninety planets, completely demoralized five hundred others. I’ve wiped out the followers of forty religions which had existed since—”
    “Unbelievers!” Korba protested. “Unbelievers all!”
    “No,” Paul said. “Believers.”
    “No,” Paul said. “Believers.” “My Liege makes a joke,” Korba said, voice trembling. “The Jihad has brought ten thousand worlds into the shining light of—”
    “Into the darkness,” Paul said. “We’ll be a hundred generations recovering from Muad’Dib’s Jihad. I find it hard to imagine that anyone will ever surpass this.” A barking laugh erupted from his throat.
    “What amuses Muad’Dib?” Stilgar asked.
    “I am not amused. I merely had a sudden vision of the Emperor Hitler saying something similar. No doubt he did.”
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,886
    edited 10:02PM

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Reform has taken on a sort of Christian/religious politics that I really don’t want to see in this country

    Except without any of the teachings of Jesus about loving thy fellow man, or any of that liberal, woke "sermon on the Mount" type stuff.
    Remember, Christ came with a sword as much as the word. He would likely have machine gunned the dinghies
    That's right: no way did he advocate for people to "turn the other cheek".
    Turning the other cheek was actually a sign of resistance.

    The other cheek being the one that would be struck if you were the equal of the one doing the striking, rather than being their inferior. </>
    How do you get that from the Sermon on the Mount?
    Based on cultural norms in the society in which Jesus was living.

    My mate who has studied this stuff can explain it much better than I can.
    Well that wouldn't be hard based on your response so far.
    Here you go:

    In Jesus’ day, hitting a person on the cheek was a forceful insult, but it was not considered a violent assault. Here, Jesus is specifying a strike on the right cheek, which implies a back-handed slap. Striking someone with the back of the hand (3) could demand a doubled fine because it was “the severest public affront to a person’s dignity.” (4)

    But Jesus is not suggesting that his followers should stand around and take abuse. First, turning the left cheek was a bold rejection of the insult itself. Second, it challenged the aggressor to repeat the offense, while requiring that they now strike with the palm of their hand, something done not to a lesser but to an equal. In other words, turning the other cheek strongly declares that the opposer holds no power for condescending shame because the victim’s honor is not dependent on human approval—it comes from somewhere else. (5) This kind of action reshapes the relationship, pushing the adversary to either back down or to treat them as an equal.

    From: https://bibleproject.com/articles/what-jesus-meant-turn-other-cheek-matthew-539/
    Uhuh. And that fits subsequent sentences how exactly?

    "And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you."
    Read the whole article. It explains 5he passive resistance in those acts too.

    Christ, I'm the fecking atheist - I shouldn't be giving bible study classes.
    It doesn't fit well either with the rest of the Sermon on the Mount.

    I appreciate that there has been lots of sophistry and casuistry to twist Jesus's words to support resistance to Roman rule, but it really doesn't fit the Gospels. Jesus went deliberately to his death and told his disciples not to resist his arrest.

    His kingdom is not of this world. Render unto Caesar etc.
    You’ve missed out the bit where Jesus said:

    “Man’s greatest joy is to slaughter his enemies. To crush them and drive them before him, and to listen to the lamentations of the women.”
    That;s Genghis Khan.
    The signs area all there if you take the time to look. Genghis Khan was the second coming of Jesus Christ.
    Bit less of the peace and love the second time around. Maybe he was not as forgiving about that crucifixation business as he seemed at the time.
    The Heavenly King, whose body count was 20-30 m, believed himself to be Jesus’ brother.

    “Stilgar,” Paul said, “you urgently need a sense of balance which can come only from an understanding of long-term effects. What little information we have about the old times, the pittance of data which the Butlerians left us, Korba has brought it for you. Start with the Genghis Khan.”
    “Genghis … Khan? Was he of the Sardaukar, m’Lord?”
    “Oh, long before that. He killed … perhaps four million.”
    “He must’ve had formidable weaponry to kill that many, Sire. Lasbeams, perhaps, or …”
    “He didn’t kill them himself, Stil. He killed the way I kill, by sending out his legions. There’s another emperor I want you to note in passing—a Hitler. He killed more than six million. Pretty good for those days.”
    “Killed … by his legions?” Stilgar asked.
    “Yes.”
    “Not very impressive statistics, m’Lord.”
    “Very good, Stil.” Paul glanced at the reels in Korba’s hands. Korba stood with them as though he wished he could drop them and flee. “Statistics: at a conservative estimate, I’ve killed sixty-one billion, sterilized ninety planets, completely demoralized five hundred others. I’ve wiped out the followers of forty religions which had existed since—”
    “Unbelievers!” Korba protested. “Unbelievers all!”
    “No,” Paul said. “Believers.”
    “No,” Paul said. “Believers.” “My Liege makes a joke,” Korba said, voice trembling. “The Jihad has brought ten thousand worlds into the shining light of—”
    “Into the darkness,” Paul said. “We’ll be a hundred generations recovering from Muad’Dib’s Jihad. I find it hard to imagine that anyone will ever surpass this.” A barking laugh erupted from his throat.
    “What amuses Muad’Dib?” Stilgar asked.
    “I am not amused. I merely had a sudden vision of the Emperor Hitler saying something similar. No doubt he did.”
    And Paul’s failing was that he was insufficiently ruthless

    Hitler’s body count was higher than that though, even if Korba would still consider it rookie territory.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 22,004
    FF43 said:

    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Yup, the only person to ever punch me was my grandfather during the end of his life as his dementia robbed him off his last bit of dignity.
    It's a cruel and sad disease
    It is. And it's not (imo) one that President Donald Trump has the excuse of having. I see only the spiralling despotic excess of a rotten to the core, morally depraved, narcissist with total impunity to indulge himself.
    You make an important point. Donald Trump may or may or may not have Alzheimer's but he has always been a depraved individual who certainly knew what he was doing for most of his presidencies, possibly even now.
    Personally I'd be less bothered about Trump swearing if he wasn't also about to lead the world into an even more dangerous place.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,093
    Finally. All those who slag Sky News need to STFU.

    No more sane washing.

    Their US guy tells it how it is.

    "Unhinged"



    James Melville 🚜
    @JamesMelville

    A powerful commentary by Sky News US correspondent, @jamesmatthewsky on the increasingly erratic and thuggish behaviour displayed by Donald Trump. It’s refreshing to hear a mainstream media journalist speak out like this rather than turning a blind eye.

    https://x.com/JamesMelville/status/2040897952349028565

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,058
    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Fake news.
    My father, with very advanced dementia, retained pretty good manners until then end.
    It would be surprising if people who never much used profanities throughout their life suddenly started using them when they got dementia. Just a theory.
    It certainly doesn't happen with everyone, but I'm not sure why it would be surprising - people who get dementia can act very unlike the personality they have displayed for 60-90 years, that is very well established.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,093
    @jamesmatthewsky


    How far [has this bollocks] taken the US so far?

    Not very far.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,058

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Reform has taken on a sort of Christian/religious politics that I really don’t want to see in this country

    Except without any of the teachings of Jesus about loving thy fellow man, or any of that liberal, woke "sermon on the Mount" type stuff.
    Remember, Christ came with a sword as much as the word. He would likely have machine gunned the dinghies
    That's right: no way did he advocate for people to "turn the other cheek".
    Turning the other cheek was actually a sign of resistance.

    The other cheek being the one that would be struck if you were the equal of the one doing the striking, rather than being their inferior. </>
    How do you get that from the Sermon on the Mount?
    Based on cultural norms in the society in which Jesus was living.

    My mate who has studied this stuff can explain it much better than I can.
    Well that wouldn't be hard based on your response so far.
    Here you go:

    In Jesus’ day, hitting a person on the cheek was a forceful insult, but it was not considered a violent assault. Here, Jesus is specifying a strike on the right cheek, which implies a back-handed slap. Striking someone with the back of the hand (3) could demand a doubled fine because it was “the severest public affront to a person’s dignity.” (4)

    But Jesus is not suggesting that his followers should stand around and take abuse. First, turning the left cheek was a bold rejection of the insult itself. Second, it challenged the aggressor to repeat the offense, while requiring that they now strike with the palm of their hand, something done not to a lesser but to an equal. In other words, turning the other cheek strongly declares that the opposer holds no power for condescending shame because the victim’s honor is not dependent on human approval—it comes from somewhere else. (5) This kind of action reshapes the relationship, pushing the adversary to either back down or to treat them as an equal.

    From: https://bibleproject.com/articles/what-jesus-meant-turn-other-cheek-matthew-539/
    Uhuh. And that fits subsequent sentences how exactly?

    "And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you."
    Read the whole article. It explains 5he passive resistance in those acts too.

    Christ, I'm the fecking atheist - I shouldn't be giving bible study classes.
    It doesn't fit well either with the rest of the Sermon on the Mount.

    I appreciate that there has been lots of sophistry and casuistry to twist Jesus's words to support resistance to Roman rule, but it really doesn't fit the Gospels. Jesus went deliberately to his death and told his disciples not to resist his arrest.

    His kingdom is not of this world. Render unto Caesar etc.
    You’ve missed out the bit where Jesus said:

    “Man’s greatest joy is to slaughter his enemies. To crush them and drive them before him, and to listen to the lamentations of the women.”
    That;s Genghis Khan.
    The signs area all there if you take the time to look. Genghis Khan was the second coming of Jesus Christ.
    Bit less of the peace and love the second time around. Maybe he was not as forgiving about that crucifixation business as he seemed at the time.
    The Heavenly King, whose body count was 20-30 m, believed himself to be Jesus’ brother.

    “Stilgar,” Paul said, “you urgently need a sense of balance which can come only from an understanding of long-term effects. What little information we have about the old times, the pittance of data which the Butlerians left us, Korba has brought it for you. Start with the Genghis Khan.”
    “Genghis … Khan? Was he of the Sardaukar, m’Lord?”
    “Oh, long before that. He killed … perhaps four million.”
    “He must’ve had formidable weaponry to kill that many, Sire. Lasbeams, perhaps, or …”
    “He didn’t kill them himself, Stil. He killed the way I kill, by sending out his legions. There’s another emperor I want you to note in passing—a Hitler. He killed more than six million. Pretty good for those days.”
    “Killed … by his legions?” Stilgar asked.
    “Yes.”
    “Not very impressive statistics, m’Lord.”
    “Very good, Stil.” Paul glanced at the reels in Korba’s hands. Korba stood with them as though he wished he could drop them and flee. “Statistics: at a conservative estimate, I’ve killed sixty-one billion, sterilized ninety planets, completely demoralized five hundred others. I’ve wiped out the followers of forty religions which had existed since—”
    “Unbelievers!” Korba protested. “Unbelievers all!”
    “No,” Paul said. “Believers.”
    “No,” Paul said. “Believers.” “My Liege makes a joke,” Korba said, voice trembling. “The Jihad has brought ten thousand worlds into the shining light of—”
    “Into the darkness,” Paul said. “We’ll be a hundred generations recovering from Muad’Dib’s Jihad. I find it hard to imagine that anyone will ever surpass this.” A barking laugh erupted from his throat.
    “What amuses Muad’Dib?” Stilgar asked.
    “I am not amused. I merely had a sudden vision of the Emperor Hitler saying something similar. No doubt he did.”
    I look forward to seeing some of these lines in Dune Part III this year. As I've noted before some of the more casual viewers I observed after Dune Part II did not appear to realise what was about to happen.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,093
    Still the evangelicals love him...



    The Daily Beast
    @thedailybeast
    Trump began the holiest day on the Christian calendar with a profanity-filled Truth Social tirade that praised Allah.

    https://x.com/thedailybeast/status/2040777023921037700


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,946
    Trump is a maniac.

    Spoke with President Trump. He told me the conflict should be over in days, not weeks but if no deal is made he’s blowing up the whole country with “very little” off the table.

    "If happens, it happens. And if it doesn't, we're blowing up the whole country,” he said.

    I asked if there’s anything off limits.

    “Very little,” he said.

    https://x.com/rachelvscott/status/2040819658433966553
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,058

    FF43 said:

    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Yup, the only person to ever punch me was my grandfather during the end of his life as his dementia robbed him off his last bit of dignity.
    It's a cruel and sad disease
    It is. And it's not (imo) one that President Donald Trump has the excuse of having. I see only the spiralling despotic excess of a rotten to the core, morally depraved, narcissist with total impunity to indulge himself.
    You make an important point. Donald Trump may or may or may not have Alzheimer's but he has always been a depraved individual who certainly knew what he was doing for most of his presidencies, possibly even now.
    Personally I'd be less bothered about Trump swearing if he wasn't also about to lead the world into an even more dangerous place.
    His vulgarity is what it is, and not really that new a thing, it may just be that a handful of americans are still capable of being surprised he engages in it in the context of international relations, even with the target being the Iranian regime.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,427
    edited 10:19PM
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Fake news.
    My father, with very advanced dementia, retained pretty good manners until then end.
    It would be surprising if people who never much used profanities throughout their life suddenly started using them when they got dementia. Just a theory.
    It certainly doesn't happen with everyone, but I'm not sure why it would be surprising - people who get dementia can act very unlike the personality they have displayed for 60-90 years, that is very well established.
    I suspect dementia enhances any repressed activities from younger years. Didn't George H Bush start being grumpy towards younger women whilst in his wheelchair years?

    My elder brother who got vascular dementia got quite uncooperative and violent in his latter years, though my sis in law always said he had bullying tendencies.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,058
    Nigelb said:

    Trump is a maniac.

    Spoke with President Trump. He told me the conflict should be over in days, not weeks but if no deal is made he’s blowing up the whole country with “very little” off the table.

    "If happens, it happens. And if it doesn't, we're blowing up the whole country,” he said.

    I asked if there’s anything off limits.

    “Very little,” he said.

    https://x.com/rachelvscott/status/2040819658433966553

    For everyone's sake hopefully acting unhinged will actually work here. But if it is an act (or exaggeration of intent at least), it is a very high risk one.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,093

    FF43 said:

    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Yup, the only person to ever punch me was my grandfather during the end of his life as his dementia robbed him off his last bit of dignity.
    It's a cruel and sad disease
    It is. And it's not (imo) one that President Donald Trump has the excuse of having. I see only the spiralling despotic excess of a rotten to the core, morally depraved, narcissist with total impunity to indulge himself.
    You make an important point. Donald Trump may or may or may not have Alzheimer's but he has always been a depraved individual who certainly knew what he was doing for most of his presidencies, possibly even now.
    Personally I'd be less bothered about Trump swearing if he wasn't also about to lead the world into an even more dangerous place.
    Or... he may announce tomorrow night that the fine negotiations - some of the best in the history of diplomacy - are going so well he is prepared to announce a two week extension on the end of the middle east.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,058

    FF43 said:

    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:


    Simon Schama
    @simon_schama

    Anyone who, unhappily, had had to deal with demented relative or friend will recognise the startling loss of inhibitions about profanities as a symptom

    https://x.com/simon_schama/status/2040839014979166645

    Yup, the only person to ever punch me was my grandfather during the end of his life as his dementia robbed him off his last bit of dignity.
    It's a cruel and sad disease
    It is. And it's not (imo) one that President Donald Trump has the excuse of having. I see only the spiralling despotic excess of a rotten to the core, morally depraved, narcissist with total impunity to indulge himself.
    You make an important point. Donald Trump may or may or may not have Alzheimer's but he has always been a depraved individual who certainly knew what he was doing for most of his presidencies, possibly even now.
    Personally I'd be less bothered about Trump swearing if he wasn't also about to lead the world into an even more dangerous place.
    Or... he may announce tomorrow night that the fine negotiations - some of the best in the history of diplomacy - are going so well he is prepared to announce a two week extension on the end of the middle east.

    When are the markets open?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,946
    edited 10:21PM
    The president tells me he was testing NATO.

    "This was a test for NATO, I didn't need them, but I wanted to test them.”

    “I said, I'd love to have you guys get involved. And they said, well, we can't do it. I said, Oh, that's okay. I didn't even give him a hard sell. They probably said, Oh, he's a terrible salesman. Because all I did say, love to have you be involved.”

    “I was doing that as a test. I didn't need that, right? They're a paper tiger. Paper Tiger. They have no ships. They have no nothing, and Putin has zero fear of them," he said.

    "But I did it as a test."

    https://x.com/rachelvscott/status/2040821802612507124

    This is quite clearly post hoc rationalisation (if that's not too generous a word regarding Trump) so that he can feel in charge despite being told politely to eff off.

    But Trump tends to believe his own lies, so it's a dangerous one for the rest of us.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,093
    1pm EST


    The White House
    @WhiteHouse
    ·
    57m
    TOMORROW 🇺🇸

    President Donald J. Trump joins the military in the Oval Office for a news conference.

    American strength. Full display. Don’t miss it.

    https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/2040902732937081151
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,886
    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Reform has taken on a sort of Christian/religious politics that I really don’t want to see in this country

    Except without any of the teachings of Jesus about loving thy fellow man, or any of that liberal, woke "sermon on the Mount" type stuff.
    Remember, Christ came with a sword as much as the word. He would likely have machine gunned the dinghies
    That's right: no way did he advocate for people to "turn the other cheek".
    Turning the other cheek was actually a sign of resistance.

    The other cheek being the one that would be struck if you were the equal of the one doing the striking, rather than being their inferior. </>
    How do you get that from the Sermon on the Mount?
    Based on cultural norms in the society in which Jesus was living.

    My mate who has studied this stuff can explain it much better than I can.
    Well that wouldn't be hard based on your response so far.
    Here you go:

    In Jesus’ day, hitting a person on the cheek was a forceful insult, but it was not considered a violent assault. Here, Jesus is specifying a strike on the right cheek, which implies a back-handed slap. Striking someone with the back of the hand (3) could demand a doubled fine because it was “the severest public affront to a person’s dignity.” (4)

    But Jesus is not suggesting that his followers should stand around and take abuse. First, turning the left cheek was a bold rejection of the insult itself. Second, it challenged the aggressor to repeat the offense, while requiring that they now strike with the palm of their hand, something done not to a lesser but to an equal. In other words, turning the other cheek strongly declares that the opposer holds no power for condescending shame because the victim’s honor is not dependent on human approval—it comes from somewhere else. (5) This kind of action reshapes the relationship, pushing the adversary to either back down or to treat them as an equal.

    From: https://bibleproject.com/articles/what-jesus-meant-turn-other-cheek-matthew-539/
    Uhuh. And that fits subsequent sentences how exactly?

    "And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you."
    Read the whole article. It explains 5he passive resistance in those acts too.

    Christ, I'm the fecking atheist - I shouldn't be giving bible study classes.
    It doesn't fit well either with the rest of the Sermon on the Mount.

    I appreciate that there has been lots of sophistry and casuistry to twist Jesus's words to support resistance to Roman rule, but it really doesn't fit the Gospels. Jesus went deliberately to his death and told his disciples not to resist his arrest.

    His kingdom is not of this world. Render unto Caesar etc.
    You’ve missed out the bit where Jesus said:

    “Man’s greatest joy is to slaughter his enemies. To crush them and drive them before him, and to listen to the lamentations of the women.”
    That;s Genghis Khan.
    The signs area all there if you take the time to look. Genghis Khan was the second coming of Jesus Christ.
    Bit less of the peace and love the second time around. Maybe he was not as forgiving about that crucifixation business as he seemed at the time.
    The Heavenly King, whose body count was 20-30 m, believed himself to be Jesus’ brother.

    “Stilgar,” Paul said, “you urgently need a sense of balance which can come only from an understanding of long-term effects. What little information we have about the old times, the pittance of data which the Butlerians left us, Korba has brought it for you. Start with the Genghis Khan.”
    “Genghis … Khan? Was he of the Sardaukar, m’Lord?”
    “Oh, long before that. He killed … perhaps four million.”
    “He must’ve had formidable weaponry to kill that many, Sire. Lasbeams, perhaps, or …”
    “He didn’t kill them himself, Stil. He killed the way I kill, by sending out his legions. There’s another emperor I want you to note in passing—a Hitler. He killed more than six million. Pretty good for those days.”
    “Killed … by his legions?” Stilgar asked.
    “Yes.”
    “Not very impressive statistics, m’Lord.”
    “Very good, Stil.” Paul glanced at the reels in Korba’s hands. Korba stood with them as though he wished he could drop them and flee. “Statistics: at a conservative estimate, I’ve killed sixty-one billion, sterilized ninety planets, completely demoralized five hundred others. I’ve wiped out the followers of forty religions which had existed since—”
    “Unbelievers!” Korba protested. “Unbelievers all!”
    “No,” Paul said. “Believers.”
    “No,” Paul said. “Believers.” “My Liege makes a joke,” Korba said, voice trembling. “The Jihad has brought ten thousand worlds into the shining light of—”
    “Into the darkness,” Paul said. “We’ll be a hundred generations recovering from Muad’Dib’s Jihad. I find it hard to imagine that anyone will ever surpass this.” A barking laugh erupted from his throat.
    “What amuses Muad’Dib?” Stilgar asked.
    “I am not amused. I merely had a sudden vision of the Emperor Hitler saying something similar. No doubt he did.”
    I look forward to seeing some of these lines in Dune Part III this year. As I've noted before some of the more casual viewers I observed after Dune Part II did not appear to realise what was about to happen.
    Herbert misunderstood how the Rashidun Caliphate (his inspiration for Paul’s jihad), expanded. While certainly violent, it owed its success not just to brilliant generals, but to promises of religious tolerance, to Jews, Zoroastrians, and Christian heretics. The Rashiduns were entirely not about wiping out other religions. To my mind, there is nothing more guaranteed to destroy imperial ambition than religious intolerance.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,523
    Trumps got a photo op tomorrow with military leaders where they’re talking about the greatest rescue of all time !

    So didn’t want the carpet bombing of Iran to be the main news !

    If he does go ahead on Tuesday and the threat becomes reality then there’s no knowing how this all ends up . How much Iranian military capability remains is very hard to know .

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,168
    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Reform has taken on a sort of Christian/religious politics that I really don’t want to see in this country

    Except without any of the teachings of Jesus about loving thy fellow man, or any of that liberal, woke "sermon on the Mount" type stuff.
    Remember, Christ came with a sword as much as the word. He would likely have machine gunned the dinghies
    That's right: no way did he advocate for people to "turn the other cheek".
    Turning the other cheek was actually a sign of resistance.

    The other cheek being the one that would be struck if you were the equal of the one doing the striking, rather than being their inferior. </>
    How do you get that from the Sermon on the Mount?
    Based on cultural norms in the society in which Jesus was living.

    My mate who has studied this stuff can explain it much better than I can.
    Well that wouldn't be hard based on your response so far.
    Here you go:

    In Jesus’ day, hitting a person on the cheek was a forceful insult, but it was not considered a violent assault. Here, Jesus is specifying a strike on the right cheek, which implies a back-handed slap. Striking someone with the back of the hand (3) could demand a doubled fine because it was “the severest public affront to a person’s dignity.” (4)

    But Jesus is not suggesting that his followers should stand around and take abuse. First, turning the left cheek was a bold rejection of the insult itself. Second, it challenged the aggressor to repeat the offense, while requiring that they now strike with the palm of their hand, something done not to a lesser but to an equal. In other words, turning the other cheek strongly declares that the opposer holds no power for condescending shame because the victim’s honor is not dependent on human approval—it comes from somewhere else. (5) This kind of action reshapes the relationship, pushing the adversary to either back down or to treat them as an equal.

    From: https://bibleproject.com/articles/what-jesus-meant-turn-other-cheek-matthew-539/
    Uhuh. And that fits subsequent sentences how exactly?

    "And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you."
    Read the whole article. It explains 5he passive resistance in those acts too.

    Christ, I'm the fecking atheist - I shouldn't be giving bible study classes.
    It doesn't fit well either with the rest of the Sermon on the Mount.

    I appreciate that there has been lots of sophistry and casuistry to twist Jesus's words to support resistance to Roman rule, but it really doesn't fit the Gospels. Jesus went deliberately to his death and told his disciples not to resist his arrest.

    His kingdom is not of this world. Render unto Caesar etc.
    You’ve missed out the bit where Jesus said:

    “Man’s greatest joy is to slaughter his enemies. To crush them and drive them before him, and to listen to the lamentations of the women.”
    That;s Genghis Khan.
    The signs area all there if you take the time to look. Genghis Khan was the second coming of Jesus Christ.
    Bit less of the peace and love the second time around. Maybe he was not as forgiving about that crucifixation business as he seemed at the time.
    The Heavenly King, whose body count was 20-30 m, believed himself to be Jesus’ brother.

    “Stilgar,” Paul said, “you urgently need a sense of balance which can come only from an understanding of long-term effects. What little information we have about the old times, the pittance of data which the Butlerians left us, Korba has brought it for you. Start with the Genghis Khan.”
    “Genghis … Khan? Was he of the Sardaukar, m’Lord?”
    “Oh, long before that. He killed … perhaps four million.”
    “He must’ve had formidable weaponry to kill that many, Sire. Lasbeams, perhaps, or …”
    “He didn’t kill them himself, Stil. He killed the way I kill, by sending out his legions. There’s another emperor I want you to note in passing—a Hitler. He killed more than six million. Pretty good for those days.”
    “Killed … by his legions?” Stilgar asked.
    “Yes.”
    “Not very impressive statistics, m’Lord.”
    “Very good, Stil.” Paul glanced at the reels in Korba’s hands. Korba stood with them as though he wished he could drop them and flee. “Statistics: at a conservative estimate, I’ve killed sixty-one billion, sterilized ninety planets, completely demoralized five hundred others. I’ve wiped out the followers of forty religions which had existed since—”
    “Unbelievers!” Korba protested. “Unbelievers all!”
    “No,” Paul said. “Believers.”
    “No,” Paul said. “Believers.” “My Liege makes a joke,” Korba said, voice trembling. “The Jihad has brought ten thousand worlds into the shining light of—”
    “Into the darkness,” Paul said. “We’ll be a hundred generations recovering from Muad’Dib’s Jihad. I find it hard to imagine that anyone will ever surpass this.” A barking laugh erupted from his throat.
    “What amuses Muad’Dib?” Stilgar asked.
    “I am not amused. I merely had a sudden vision of the Emperor Hitler saying something similar. No doubt he did.”
    I look forward to seeing some of these lines in Dune Part III this year. As I've noted before some of the more casual viewers I observed after Dune Part II did not appear to realise what was about to happen.
    I think it needs to be shown, not told.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,058

    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Reform has taken on a sort of Christian/religious politics that I really don’t want to see in this country

    Except without any of the teachings of Jesus about loving thy fellow man, or any of that liberal, woke "sermon on the Mount" type stuff.
    Remember, Christ came with a sword as much as the word. He would likely have machine gunned the dinghies
    That's right: no way did he advocate for people to "turn the other cheek".
    Turning the other cheek was actually a sign of resistance.

    The other cheek being the one that would be struck if you were the equal of the one doing the striking, rather than being their inferior. </>
    How do you get that from the Sermon on the Mount?
    Based on cultural norms in the society in which Jesus was living.

    My mate who has studied this stuff can explain it much better than I can.
    Well that wouldn't be hard based on your response so far.
    Here you go:

    In Jesus’ day, hitting a person on the cheek was a forceful insult, but it was not considered a violent assault. Here, Jesus is specifying a strike on the right cheek, which implies a back-handed slap. Striking someone with the back of the hand (3) could demand a doubled fine because it was “the severest public affront to a person’s dignity.” (4)

    But Jesus is not suggesting that his followers should stand around and take abuse. First, turning the left cheek was a bold rejection of the insult itself. Second, it challenged the aggressor to repeat the offense, while requiring that they now strike with the palm of their hand, something done not to a lesser but to an equal. In other words, turning the other cheek strongly declares that the opposer holds no power for condescending shame because the victim’s honor is not dependent on human approval—it comes from somewhere else. (5) This kind of action reshapes the relationship, pushing the adversary to either back down or to treat them as an equal.

    From: https://bibleproject.com/articles/what-jesus-meant-turn-other-cheek-matthew-539/
    Uhuh. And that fits subsequent sentences how exactly?

    "And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you."
    Read the whole article. It explains 5he passive resistance in those acts too.

    Christ, I'm the fecking atheist - I shouldn't be giving bible study classes.
    It doesn't fit well either with the rest of the Sermon on the Mount.

    I appreciate that there has been lots of sophistry and casuistry to twist Jesus's words to support resistance to Roman rule, but it really doesn't fit the Gospels. Jesus went deliberately to his death and told his disciples not to resist his arrest.

    His kingdom is not of this world. Render unto Caesar etc.
    You’ve missed out the bit where Jesus said:

    “Man’s greatest joy is to slaughter his enemies. To crush them and drive them before him, and to listen to the lamentations of the women.”
    That;s Genghis Khan.
    The signs area all there if you take the time to look. Genghis Khan was the second coming of Jesus Christ.
    Bit less of the peace and love the second time around. Maybe he was not as forgiving about that crucifixation business as he seemed at the time.
    The Heavenly King, whose body count was 20-30 m, believed himself to be Jesus’ brother.

    “Stilgar,” Paul said, “you urgently need a sense of balance which can come only from an understanding of long-term effects. What little information we have about the old times, the pittance of data which the Butlerians left us, Korba has brought it for you. Start with the Genghis Khan.”
    “Genghis … Khan? Was he of the Sardaukar, m’Lord?”
    “Oh, long before that. He killed … perhaps four million.”
    “He must’ve had formidable weaponry to kill that many, Sire. Lasbeams, perhaps, or …”
    “He didn’t kill them himself, Stil. He killed the way I kill, by sending out his legions. There’s another emperor I want you to note in passing—a Hitler. He killed more than six million. Pretty good for those days.”
    “Killed … by his legions?” Stilgar asked.
    “Yes.”
    “Not very impressive statistics, m’Lord.”
    “Very good, Stil.” Paul glanced at the reels in Korba’s hands. Korba stood with them as though he wished he could drop them and flee. “Statistics: at a conservative estimate, I’ve killed sixty-one billion, sterilized ninety planets, completely demoralized five hundred others. I’ve wiped out the followers of forty religions which had existed since—”
    “Unbelievers!” Korba protested. “Unbelievers all!”
    “No,” Paul said. “Believers.”
    “No,” Paul said. “Believers.” “My Liege makes a joke,” Korba said, voice trembling. “The Jihad has brought ten thousand worlds into the shining light of—”
    “Into the darkness,” Paul said. “We’ll be a hundred generations recovering from Muad’Dib’s Jihad. I find it hard to imagine that anyone will ever surpass this.” A barking laugh erupted from his throat.
    “What amuses Muad’Dib?” Stilgar asked.
    “I am not amused. I merely had a sudden vision of the Emperor Hitler saying something similar. No doubt he did.”
    I look forward to seeing some of these lines in Dune Part III this year. As I've noted before some of the more casual viewers I observed after Dune Part II did not appear to realise what was about to happen.
    I think it needs to be shown, not told.
    I've not really paid attention to the trailers, so I'm assuming it will be mostly Dune Messiah, with added details of the jihad in flashback and dream sequences to flesh things out for those expecting an immediate sequel.

    But perhaps it will pick up right where the last left off.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,093
    Nigelb said:

    The president tells me he was testing NATO.

    "This was a test for NATO, I didn't need them, but I wanted to test them.”

    “I said, I'd love to have you guys get involved. And they said, well, we can't do it. I said, Oh, that's okay. I didn't even give him a hard sell. They probably said, Oh, he's a terrible salesman. Because all I did say, love to have you be involved.”

    “I was doing that as a test. I didn't need that, right? They're a paper tiger. Paper Tiger. They have no ships. They have no nothing, and Putin has zero fear of them," he said.

    "But I did it as a test."

    https://x.com/rachelvscott/status/2040821802612507124

    This is quite clearly post hoc rationalisation (if that's not too generous a word regarding Trump) so that he can feel in charge despite being told politely to eff off.

    But Trump tends to believe his own lies, so it's a dangerous one for the rest of us.

    He's just repeating what Putin told him on the phone.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,886
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Reform has taken on a sort of Christian/religious politics that I really don’t want to see in this country

    Except without any of the teachings of Jesus about loving thy fellow man, or any of that liberal, woke "sermon on the Mount" type stuff.
    Remember, Christ came with a sword as much as the word. He would likely have machine gunned the dinghies
    That's right: no way did he advocate for people to "turn the other cheek".
    Turning the other cheek was actually a sign of resistance.

    The other cheek being the one that would be struck if you were the equal of the one doing the striking, rather than being their inferior. </>
    How do you get that from the Sermon on the Mount?
    Based on cultural norms in the society in which Jesus was living.

    My mate who has studied this stuff can explain it much better than I can.
    Well that wouldn't be hard based on your response so far.
    Here you go:

    In Jesus’ day, hitting a person on the cheek was a forceful insult, but it was not considered a violent assault. Here, Jesus is specifying a strike on the right cheek, which implies a back-handed slap. Striking someone with the back of the hand (3) could demand a doubled fine because it was “the severest public affront to a person’s dignity.” (4)

    But Jesus is not suggesting that his followers should stand around and take abuse. First, turning the left cheek was a bold rejection of the insult itself. Second, it challenged the aggressor to repeat the offense, while requiring that they now strike with the palm of their hand, something done not to a lesser but to an equal. In other words, turning the other cheek strongly declares that the opposer holds no power for condescending shame because the victim’s honor is not dependent on human approval—it comes from somewhere else. (5) This kind of action reshapes the relationship, pushing the adversary to either back down or to treat them as an equal.

    From: https://bibleproject.com/articles/what-jesus-meant-turn-other-cheek-matthew-539/
    Uhuh. And that fits subsequent sentences how exactly?

    "And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you."
    Read the whole article. It explains 5he passive resistance in those acts too.

    Christ, I'm the fecking atheist - I shouldn't be giving bible study classes.
    It doesn't fit well either with the rest of the Sermon on the Mount.

    I appreciate that there has been lots of sophistry and casuistry to twist Jesus's words to support resistance to Roman rule, but it really doesn't fit the Gospels. Jesus went deliberately to his death and told his disciples not to resist his arrest.

    His kingdom is not of this world. Render unto Caesar etc.
    You’ve missed out the bit where Jesus said:

    “Man’s greatest joy is to slaughter his enemies. To crush them and drive them before him, and to listen to the lamentations of the women.”
    That;s Genghis Khan.
    The signs area all there if you take the time to look. Genghis Khan was the second coming of Jesus Christ.
    Bit less of the peace and love the second time around. Maybe he was not as forgiving about that crucifixation business as he seemed at the time.
    The Heavenly King, whose body count was 20-30 m, believed himself to be Jesus’ brother.

    “Stilgar,” Paul said, “you urgently need a sense of balance which can come only from an understanding of long-term effects. What little information we have about the old times, the pittance of data which the Butlerians left us, Korba has brought it for you. Start with the Genghis Khan.”
    “Genghis … Khan? Was he of the Sardaukar, m’Lord?”
    “Oh, long before that. He killed … perhaps four million.”
    “He must’ve had formidable weaponry to kill that many, Sire. Lasbeams, perhaps, or …”
    “He didn’t kill them himself, Stil. He killed the way I kill, by sending out his legions. There’s another emperor I want you to note in passing—a Hitler. He killed more than six million. Pretty good for those days.”
    “Killed … by his legions?” Stilgar asked.
    “Yes.”
    “Not very impressive statistics, m’Lord.”
    “Very good, Stil.” Paul glanced at the reels in Korba’s hands. Korba stood with them as though he wished he could drop them and flee. “Statistics: at a conservative estimate, I’ve killed sixty-one billion, sterilized ninety planets, completely demoralized five hundred others. I’ve wiped out the followers of forty religions which had existed since—”
    “Unbelievers!” Korba protested. “Unbelievers all!”
    “No,” Paul said. “Believers.”
    “No,” Paul said. “Believers.” “My Liege makes a joke,” Korba said, voice trembling. “The Jihad has brought ten thousand worlds into the shining light of—”
    “Into the darkness,” Paul said. “We’ll be a hundred generations recovering from Muad’Dib’s Jihad. I find it hard to imagine that anyone will ever surpass this.” A barking laugh erupted from his throat.
    “What amuses Muad’Dib?” Stilgar asked.
    “I am not amused. I merely had a sudden vision of the Emperor Hitler saying something similar. No doubt he did.”
    I look forward to seeing some of these lines in Dune Part III this year. As I've noted before some of the more casual viewers I observed after Dune Part II did not appear to realise what was about to happen.
    I think it needs to be shown, not told.
    I've not really paid attention to the trailers, so I'm assuming it will be mostly Dune Messiah, with added details of the jihad in flashback and dream sequences to flesh things out for those expecting an immediate sequel.

    But perhaps it will pick up right where the last left off.
    It starts, 17 years on, with Paul and Chani reconciled. Alia is firmly recognised now as Paul’s prophet, and probably the chief executive.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,093
    The Kobeissi Letter
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  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,606

    Finally. All those who slag Sky News need to STFU.

    No more sane washing.

    Their US guy tells it how it is.

    "Unhinged"



    James Melville 🚜
    @JamesMelville

    A powerful commentary by Sky News US correspondent, @jamesmatthewsky on the increasingly erratic and thuggish behaviour displayed by Donald Trump. It’s refreshing to hear a mainstream media journalist speak out like this rather than turning a blind eye.

    https://x.com/JamesMelville/status/2040897952349028565

    Yebbut the rationale here seems to be not because of his actions in general up to this point, but because he dropped the f bomb in a social media post. Undignified though it is, it's bizarre to say that this is the point Trump tipped over into "unhinged".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,058

    Finally. All those who slag Sky News need to STFU.

    No more sane washing.

    Their US guy tells it how it is.

    "Unhinged"



    James Melville 🚜
    @JamesMelville

    A powerful commentary by Sky News US correspondent, @jamesmatthewsky on the increasingly erratic and thuggish behaviour displayed by Donald Trump. It’s refreshing to hear a mainstream media journalist speak out like this rather than turning a blind eye.

    https://x.com/JamesMelville/status/2040897952349028565

    Yebbut the rationale here seems to be not because of his actions in general up to this point, but because he dropped the f bomb in a social media post. Undignified though it is, it's bizarre to say that this is the point Trump tipped over into "unhinged".
    Petty though it would be, abandonment of even his slight use of diplomatic (if aggressive) rhetoric may have convinced at least a handful of people who doubted it that he really might do the things he has always promised he might.
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