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  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 481
    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    Starmer's could have made a tactical mistake by banging on about how he won't give in to pressure from Trump.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2040411608833282226

    European leaders are facing considerable pressure from Washington to open the strait of Hormuz militarily-NYT

    Not going to happen .

    European leaders aren’t going to clean up Trumps mess .
    Even when the alternative is $200 oil, if they can get any at all?
    Yes all the bluster on here about Europe taking up it's own reins gets first test in the real world.....could be interesting. Maybe Ireland Spain can lead the charge to bring home the barrels - ooh I feel a song coming on.🤣🚢🚢🚢
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,793
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    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ydoethur said:

    Donald Trump appears to be thinking of a coastal property as his retirement home:

    Trump seeks $152m to reopen notorious Alcatraz prison
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3dlpk0zzy1o

    Announcing his plans on Truth Social last year, Trump said was directing "the Bureau of Prisons, together with the Department of Justice, FBI, and Homeland Security, to reopen a substantially enlarged and rebuilt ALCATRAZ".
    The prison would "house America's most ruthless and violent offenders".

    Yup, this is the dumbest idea ever, and also possibly the funniest thing he will ever do
    He’s probably only suggesting it because he knows it will make Gavin Newsom go totally nuts.
    And that's any better?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,637
    edited April 4
    So we’re waiting for the Cambridge men to put Isis Polytechnic back in its place as merely a factory for producing our future failing politicians. Twenty minutes to wait.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917

    FPT…

    I am looking forward to the Brussels Stasi hauling off Mrs Smith from the WI for selling jars labelled "Marmalade" at the village fete.

    The rules are British rules (made to follow EU rules) and are enforced by UK authorities, who, generally speaking, are not jobsworths who have any interest in going after people selling homemade jars at fetes.
    Really?

    This is the country where great angst was expressed about people rolling cheese down a hill.

    I guarantee that a piss ant with a clipboard will appear to a village fete and try and enforce an entirely imaginary interpretation of these rules.
    I work with a major national regulator. Their ethos is guidance rather than punishment. They’re not chasing prosecutions. Broadly speaking, the government is not interested in chasing such matters. Whether someone local with a clipboard misbehaves is another matter.
    Absolutely.

    Every time you hear one of the stupid “Elf & Safety” stories, it’s a moron with on IQ, no knowledge, no actual authority and an ego the size of Trumps.

    They should be set on fire and left to wander round a building with exposed live electrical cables and empty elevator shafts.

    So real people can have real health and safety, which saves lives and limbs. Every single day.
    Post traumatic flashback to LA Law...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917

    kle4 said:

    Competence is always optional.

    Armed police officers guarding London mayor Sadiq Khan left a bag of guns outside his home, it has emerged.

    Five people have now been temporarily suspended from frontline duties while an investigation takes place.

    A Heckler & Koch submachine gun, a Glock pistol, a Taser and ammunition were reportedly inside the bag.


    https://news.sky.com/story/armed-police-officers-left-bag-of-guns-outside-sadiq-khans-home-13527800?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb

    Who forgets whether they have left behind their bag of guns?

    And what is the point of suspending the coppers in question? Yeah, someone f'd up but they can probably work that out for themselves.
    I think a suspension is necessary to go over procedures and retrainingg so that they are less likely to do that again. If I cocked up big time as a teacher I'd expect to be suspended pending.
    Though I don't remember leaving a bag of guns in the science prep room by mistake.
    Your school had a bag of guns ?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,793

    Some people might have got the impression from my previous comments that I think antisemitism is a specifically Muslim problem. Zoe Strimpel has exposed the most appalling 'art' on display at an exhibition in oh so English Margate. Perhaps the most shocking image being a naked, bony and tattooed (spelling Greater Israel) Netanyahu, complete with erect circumcised penis, clearly making an illusion to Auschwitz.

    Why reference the holocaust? Ultimately it suggests to me that the left realise that Jews are historic victims but ones who nonetheless have adopted bourgeois values and betrayed the proletariat. What could be worse than people who respond to unfairness not by trying to overthrow the system but by making it work for them? Their success entirely pulls the rug from under the feet of the left's ideology that you have to slant the playing field in favour of minorities. Didn't the IRA reserve a special place in hell for catholic police officers? The left might hate chinless wonders but perhaps there's a grudging respect for them only doing what you'd expect in propping up the establishment they were born in to.

    As JG Ballard joked in the early 2000s the middle classes are the new proletariat. Particularly I might add those with arts degrees worth about as much in the marketplace as a distinction in origami. If not they, then certainly their children have been forced out of the plusher parts of London by rapidly rising property prices. Jewish people however remain successful in professions like the law and finance. Too often we pit the rich and the poor as enemies. But it seems to me that those most hostile to the elite are those just below them who've either tried and failed to enter their environs or were born into it and been downwardly mobile.

    Thomas Sowell once remarked that the best things Jews could do to reduce antisemitism was try being less successful. I think he was joking but being seen to do well at a time of general economic malaise doesn't sit easily with everyone.

    You do your argument no favours by arguing as if "the left" is some unified body speaking with one voice and of one view.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,130
    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    Competence is always optional.

    Armed police officers guarding London mayor Sadiq Khan left a bag of guns outside his home, it has emerged.

    Five people have now been temporarily suspended from frontline duties while an investigation takes place.

    A Heckler & Koch submachine gun, a Glock pistol, a Taser and ammunition were reportedly inside the bag.


    https://news.sky.com/story/armed-police-officers-left-bag-of-guns-outside-sadiq-khans-home-13527800?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb

    Who forgets whether they have left behind their bag of guns?

    And what is the point of suspending the coppers in question? Yeah, someone f'd up but they can probably work that out for themselves.
    I think a suspension is necessary to go over procedures and retrainingg so that they are less likely to do that again. If I cocked up big time as a teacher I'd expect to be suspended pending.
    Though I don't remember leaving a bag of guns in the science prep room by mistake.
    Your school had a bag of guns ?
    Several, or he would have said THE bag of guns
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917
    scampi25 said:

    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    Starmer's could have made a tactical mistake by banging on about how he won't give in to pressure from Trump.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2040411608833282226

    European leaders are facing considerable pressure from Washington to open the strait of Hormuz militarily-NYT

    Not going to happen .

    European leaders aren’t going to clean up Trumps mess .
    Even when the alternative is $200 oil, if they can get any at all?
    Yes all the bluster on here about Europe taking up it's own reins gets first test in the real world.....could be interesting. Maybe Ireland Spain can lead the charge to bring home the barrels - ooh I feel a song coming on.🤣🚢🚢🚢
    You're a bit off beam there.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjd8275jrrko
    A French-owned ship has passed through the Strait of Hormuz, more than a month after the US-Israeli war with Iran effectively closed the vital transport route.
    The Malta-flagged container ship owned by French company CMA CGM crossed the strait, media organisation BFM TV - which is owned by the shipping company - confirmed on Friday. CMA CGM declined to comment.
    It is the first ship owned by a major Western European firm to go through the strait since the conflict began, shipping analysts Kpler confirmed.
    While Iran has said "non-hostile vessels" can use the waterway, the ongoing conflict - in which several ships have been attacked - has halted normal transport activity.
    Tracking data showed the French-owned ship passed close to the coast of Oman on the opposite side of the waterway to Iran. It is unclear what the ship was carrying.
    A Japanese ship carrying natural gas also made it out of the Strait of Hormuz, Japanese shipping giant MOL confirmed.
    "The safety of the vessel and all crew members have been confirmed," MOL said. "We will continue to place the highest priority on ensuring the safety of our crew, cargo, and vessels as operations proceed."
    Several ships that made the journey through the strait on Thursday hugged "unusually close", external to the coast of Oman, according to maritime news and intelligence service Lloyd's List...

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,948

    Sandpit said:

    OT

    I am a staunch atheist but it does seem strange to me that the head of the Church of England should be happy to release messages for Eid and Ramadan but not for Easter.

    She is as Woke as they come.

    The clergy of the CofE are best imagined as Corbynites or members of the Green Party.
    We're discussing Charles, aren't we?

    I'm sure that Archbishop Sarah will have something to say tomorrow.
    Ah yes, and that is deeply odd.

    I don't know what his thinking is there - maybe he's been stung by something - but it will be read as him siding in the culture wars, and is a mistake.
    It’s apparently not a tradition for the Monarch to make a formal statement at Easter.

    But there’s a sharp contrast with HM wishing Eid Mubarak only a fortnight ago.
    Eid, for lack of a better word, is good.
    Not a bad one!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,286
    Nigelb said:

    Finally got around to listening to In Our Time to see if the new host was any good at it (he's fine).

    Melvyn could be crotchety though, I miss that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,510
    Taz said:

    I see Jimmy has taken 4 wickets for nothing at Northampton.

    Remind me again why he stopped playing for England?

    It was a key decision by England
    The one who took it should be locked up.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,130
    ‪It is ironic, and objectively very funny, that not only is the greatest military force in the World losing to a 'bunch of ragheads', a regime built entirely on memes is also losing the meme war

    @nickturse.bsky.social‬

    Iran's latest salvo in the meme war...

    https://bsky.app/profile/nickturse.bsky.social/post/3miodkmesb22i
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917
    Sandpit said:

    Starmer's could have made a tactical mistake by banging on about how he won't give in to pressure from Trump.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2040411608833282226

    European leaders are facing considerable pressure from Washington to open the strait of Hormuz militarily-NYT

    Everything should be done in co-operation with the Gulf countries. The trouble is you can't be sure if Trump isn't just engaging in needless Europe bashing.
    A couple of posts that I think illustrate the American thinking on this.

    https://x.com/drjstrategy/status/2040029898295632377

    And a reply

    https://x.com/mdc12345678/status/2040099101547630597

    Key quote: “If Trump rapidly crushed Iran’s remaining coastal capabilities, swept the mines and escorted tankers back through the Strait, Europe and the UK would heave a sigh of relief and return to business as usual: underfunded militaries, maximalist green posturing and performative disdain for US power, all underwritten by that same power. The contradiction between their dependence and their posture would remain latent.”

    Trump’s been pretty consistent since 2016 that the US military alone supports much of the Western economy, and he wants to move away from that state of affairs. I think he misses the huge soft power that this gives to the US in return though.
    "Thinking" is unduly generous.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,309
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    Competence is always optional.

    Armed police officers guarding London mayor Sadiq Khan left a bag of guns outside his home, it has emerged.

    Five people have now been temporarily suspended from frontline duties while an investigation takes place.

    A Heckler & Koch submachine gun, a Glock pistol, a Taser and ammunition were reportedly inside the bag.


    https://news.sky.com/story/armed-police-officers-left-bag-of-guns-outside-sadiq-khans-home-13527800?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb

    Who forgets whether they have left behind their bag of guns?

    And what is the point of suspending the coppers in question? Yeah, someone f'd up but they can probably work that out for themselves.
    I think a suspension is necessary to go over procedures and retrainingg so that they are less likely to do that again. If I cocked up big time as a teacher I'd expect to be suspended pending.
    Though I don't remember leaving a bag of guns in the science prep room by mistake.
    Your school had a bag of guns ?
    Several, or he would have said THE bag of guns
    More to the point Spain are one of the few European countries (including the UK) to show real leadership from the start by telling Trump to do one.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917

    Some people might have got the impression from my previous comments that I think antisemitism is a specifically Muslim problem. Zoe Strimpel has exposed the most appalling 'art' on display at an exhibition in oh so English Margate. Perhaps the most shocking image being a naked, bony and tattooed (spelling Greater Israel) Netanyahu, complete with erect circumcised penis, clearly making an illusion to Auschwitz.

    Why reference the holocaust? Ultimately it suggests to me that the left realise that Jews are historic victims but ones who nonetheless have adopted bourgeois values and betrayed the proletariat. What could be worse than people who respond to unfairness not by trying to overthrow the system but by making it work for them? Their success entirely pulls the rug from under the feet of the left's ideology that you have to slant the playing field in favour of minorities. Didn't the IRA reserve a special place in hell for catholic police officers? The left might hate chinless wonders but perhaps there's a grudging respect for them only doing what you'd expect in propping up the establishment they were born in to.

    As JG Ballard joked in the early 2000s the middle classes are the new proletariat. Particularly I might add those with arts degrees worth about as much in the marketplace as a distinction in origami. If not they, then certainly their children have been forced out of the plusher parts of London by rapidly rising property prices. Jewish people however remain successful in professions like the law and finance. Too often we pit the rich and the poor as enemies. But it seems to me that those most hostile to the elite are those just below them who've either tried and failed to enter their environs or were born into it and been downwardly mobile.

    Thomas Sowell once remarked that the best things Jews could do to reduce antisemitism was try being less successful. I think he was joking but being seen to do well at a time of general economic malaise doesn't sit easily with everyone.

    You do your argument no favours by arguing as if "the left" is some unified body speaking with one voice and of one view.
    A symptom of those on "the right". 😏
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,615
    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2040420836675346653

    The Failing New York Times, whose lack of credibility, and their constant Fake News attacks on your favorite President, ME, has caused its circulation to absolutely PLUMMET, referred to our severely weakened and extremely unreliable "partner,"NATO, as the North American Treaty Organization. The correct name is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization - A very interesting mistake! The hiring and educational standards have gone way down at the NYT. Bring back, "ALL THE NEWS THAT'S FIT TO PRINT" and, Make America Great Again! President DJT
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    I see Jimmy has taken 4 wickets for nothing at Northampton.

    Remind me again why he stopped playing for England?

    It was a key decision by England
    The one who took it should be locked up.
    They should certainly throw away the Key.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,510

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2040420836675346653

    The Failing New York Times, whose lack of credibility, and their constant Fake News attacks on your favorite President, ME, has caused its circulation to absolutely PLUMMET, referred to our severely weakened and extremely unreliable "partner,"NATO, as the North American Treaty Organization. The correct name is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization - A very interesting mistake! The hiring and educational standards have gone way down at the NYT. Bring back, "ALL THE NEWS THAT'S FIT TO PRINT" and, Make America Great Again! President DJT

    I don't think somebody whose grasp of grammar is that shaky can lecture anyone else on their educational standards.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917

    Nigelb said:

    Finally got around to listening to In Our Time to see if the new host was any good at it (he's fine).

    Melvyn could be crotchety though, I miss that.
    Give Misha a couple of hundred episodes...

    A bit pally at the moment. If you listen to the extended episodes he offers them tea at the end.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,793
    Sandpit said:

    OT

    I am a staunch atheist but it does seem strange to me that the head of the Church of England should be happy to release messages for Eid and Ramadan but not for Easter.

    She is as Woke as they come.

    The clergy of the CofE are best imagined as Corbynites or members of the Green Party.
    We're discussing Charles, aren't we?

    I'm sure that Archbishop Sarah will have something to say tomorrow.
    Ah yes, and that is deeply odd.

    I don't know what his thinking is there - maybe he's been stung by something - but it will be read as him siding in the culture wars, and is a mistake.
    It’s apparently not a tradition for the Monarch to make a formal statement at Easter.

    But there’s a sharp contrast with HM wishing Eid Mubarak only a fortnight ago.
    The Royal Family twitter account tweeted about it. They recently tweeted about Maundy Thursday. I think there were two tweets about Eid and four about Maundy Thursday. The account also tweeted about the Artemis II launch. To try to turn that into a culture war is very silly.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,114
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    Starmer's could have made a tactical mistake by banging on about how he won't give in to pressure from Trump.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2040411608833282226

    European leaders are facing considerable pressure from Washington to open the strait of Hormuz militarily-NYT

    Not going to happen .

    European leaders aren’t going to clean up Trumps mess .
    Even when the alternative is $200 oil, if they can get any at all?
    Given how shit all of Europe including us apparently are I'd have thought the US would insist they need to take the lead even if it is also in our itnerests for the strait for be reopened, so I don't really follow from an American First perspective why they think Europe should do more than token efforts.
    they know they cannot do it and Trump knows he will be in deep shit if it gets anywhere near $5 a gallon in US
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917
    edited April 4
    malcolmg said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    Starmer's could have made a tactical mistake by banging on about how he won't give in to pressure from Trump.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2040411608833282226

    European leaders are facing considerable pressure from Washington to open the strait of Hormuz militarily-NYT

    Not going to happen .

    European leaders aren’t going to clean up Trumps mess .
    Even when the alternative is $200 oil, if they can get any at all?
    Given how shit all of Europe including us apparently are I'd have thought the US would insist they need to take the lead even if it is also in our itnerests for the strait for be reopened, so I don't really follow from an American First perspective why they think Europe should do more than token efforts.
    they know they cannot do it and Trump knows he will be in deep shit if it gets anywhere near $5 a gallon in US
    The BBC article just above suggests that the rest of the world is pursuing a rather different strategy.

    In some respects it seems rather more the US than Iran which is now keeping the strait blocked.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,309
    FF43 said:

    OT

    I am a staunch atheist but it does seem strange to me that the head of the Church of England should be happy to release messages for Eid and Ramadan but not for Easter.

    Counterintuitively it's mainly non Christians, and I regret to say those interested in creating division and trouble, who are exercised by the lack of an Easter message from the King.

    He released a bland message about Ramadan on his Instagram channel, which is surely appropriate for a major religion amongst his subjects. He talks quite a lot about his Christian faith on social media and there were several posts about the traditional royal activities for Maundy Thursday. He gives an address to the nation at Christmas.

    I suspect his Christian faith is the main reason for him not traditionally giving an Easter message. Easter is the most solemn festival in the Christian calender, so he should let it speak for itself.
    He has given one every year since he became king
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,793
    Scott_xP said:
    Has he tweeted, or “truthed”, about Easter yet, or is it only King Charles who gets criticised that he didn’t tweet anything on Friday?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,601
    edited April 4

    kle4 said:

    Competence is always optional.

    Armed police officers guarding London mayor Sadiq Khan left a bag of guns outside his home, it has emerged.

    Five people have now been temporarily suspended from frontline duties while an investigation takes place.

    A Heckler & Koch submachine gun, a Glock pistol, a Taser and ammunition were reportedly inside the bag.


    https://news.sky.com/story/armed-police-officers-left-bag-of-guns-outside-sadiq-khans-home-13527800?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb

    Who forgets whether they have left behind their bag of guns?

    And what is the point of suspending the coppers in question? Yeah, someone f'd up but they can probably work that out for themselves.
    I think a suspension is necessary to go over procedures and retrainingg so that they are less likely to do that again. If I cocked up big time as a teacher I'd expect to be suspended pending.
    Though I don't remember leaving a bag of guns in the science prep room by mistake.
    Well, obviously.

    That’s because you forgot about forgetting the bag of guns in the science prep room.
    There is no antimemetics division.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,309

    OT

    I am a staunch atheist but it does seem strange to me that the head of the Church of England should be happy to release messages for Eid and Ramadan but not for Easter.

    She is as Woke as they come.

    The clergy of the CofE are best imagined as Corbynites or members of the Green Party.
    In case you missed it I was talking about the King not the AoC
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,237
    Same old Oxford, always cheating.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,297
    edited April 4

    OT

    I am a staunch atheist but it does seem strange to me that the head of the Church of England should be happy to release messages for Eid and Ramadan but not for Easter.

    She is as Woke as they come.

    The clergy of the CofE are best imagined as Corbynites or members of the Green Party.
    That isn't really true at all, Mullally has spoken out against assited dying for example and at most is establishment Starmer Labour or LD certainly not Green. There are even still a few Tory Vicars like Marcus Walker of St Bartholomew the Great in central London and conservative evangelical Vicars in the C of E who are anti same sex marriage etc are if anything borderline Reform
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,948

    OT

    I am a staunch atheist but it does seem strange to me that the head of the Church of England should be happy to release messages for Eid and Ramadan but not for Easter.

    She is as Woke as they come.

    The clergy of the CofE are best imagined as Corbynites or members of the Green Party.
    In case you missed it I was talking about the King not the AoC
    I did miss it, thanks for the correction.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,793

    FF43 said:

    OT

    I am a staunch atheist but it does seem strange to me that the head of the Church of England should be happy to release messages for Eid and Ramadan but not for Easter.

    Counterintuitively it's mainly non Christians, and I regret to say those interested in creating division and trouble, who are exercised by the lack of an Easter message from the King.

    He released a bland message about Ramadan on his Instagram channel, which is surely appropriate for a major religion amongst his subjects. He talks quite a lot about his Christian faith on social media and there were several posts about the traditional royal activities for Maundy Thursday. He gives an address to the nation at Christmas.

    I suspect his Christian faith is the main reason for him not traditionally giving an Easter message. Easter is the most solemn festival in the Christian calender, so he should let it speak for itself.
    He has given one every year since he became king
    Every year since he became King is only 3 years. He did one in 2025 and 2024. I can’t find one for 2023. His mum rarely did them (just once?).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,297

    OT

    I am a staunch atheist but it does seem strange to me that the head of the Church of England should be happy to release messages for Eid and Ramadan but not for Easter.

    She is as Woke as they come.

    The clergy of the CofE are best imagined as Corbynites or members of the Green Party.
    I’m confirmed in the CofE and am neither. But generalise all you like.
    I attend a C of E church each week and am a member of the Tory Party!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,569
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Finally got around to listening to In Our Time to see if the new host was any good at it (he's fine).

    Melvyn could be crotchety though, I miss that.
    Give Misha a couple of hundred episodes...

    A bit pally at the moment. If you listen to the extended episodes he offers them tea at the end.
    I remember Melvyn offering tea etc in some of the extended ones.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,793

    FF43 said:

    OT

    I am a staunch atheist but it does seem strange to me that the head of the Church of England should be happy to release messages for Eid and Ramadan but not for Easter.

    Counterintuitively it's mainly non Christians, and I regret to say those interested in creating division and trouble, who are exercised by the lack of an Easter message from the King.

    He released a bland message about Ramadan on his Instagram channel, which is surely appropriate for a major religion amongst his subjects. He talks quite a lot about his Christian faith on social media and there were several posts about the traditional royal activities for Maundy Thursday. He gives an address to the nation at Christmas.

    I suspect his Christian faith is the main reason for him not traditionally giving an Easter message. Easter is the most solemn festival in the Christian calender, so he should let it speak for itself.
    He has given one every year since he became king
    Every year since he became King is only 3 years. He did one in 2025 and 2024. I can’t find one for 2023. His mum rarely did them (just once?).
    Some sources say the Queen gave 4 Easter addresses in different forms.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,891
    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer's could have made a tactical mistake by banging on about how he won't give in to pressure from Trump.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2040411608833282226

    European leaders are facing considerable pressure from Washington to open the strait of Hormuz militarily-NYT

    Everything should be done in co-operation with the Gulf countries. The trouble is you can't be sure if Trump isn't just engaging in needless Europe bashing.
    A couple of posts that I think illustrate the American thinking on this.

    https://x.com/drjstrategy/status/2040029898295632377

    And a reply

    https://x.com/mdc12345678/status/2040099101547630597

    Key quote: “If Trump rapidly crushed Iran’s remaining coastal capabilities, swept the mines and escorted tankers back through the Strait, Europe and the UK would heave a sigh of relief and return to business as usual: underfunded militaries, maximalist green posturing and performative disdain for US power, all underwritten by that same power. The contradiction between their dependence and their posture would remain latent.”

    Trump’s been pretty consistent since 2016 that the US military alone supports much of the Western economy, and he wants to move away from that state of affairs. I think he misses the huge soft power that this gives to the US in return though.
    It shows the intellectual level that Trump is operating on that people explain his actions as both geopolitical Keynesianism and geopolitical Hegelianism.
    Is there a stronger term than 'master strategist'? Because that doesn't quite do him justice.
    He's very good at baiting people too.
    Yes. Although I'm not sure how hard that is if you're in a position of immense power. It's just that most people wouldn't prioritise it.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 481
    Nigelb said:

    scampi25 said:

    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    Starmer's could have made a tactical mistake by banging on about how he won't give in to pressure from Trump.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2040411608833282226

    European leaders are facing considerable pressure from Washington to open the strait of Hormuz militarily-NYT

    Not going to happen .

    European leaders aren’t going to clean up Trumps mess .
    Even when the alternative is $200 oil, if they can get any at all?
    Yes all the bluster on here about Europe taking up it's own reins gets first test in the real world.....could be interesting. Maybe Ireland Spain can lead the charge to bring home the barrels - ooh I feel a song coming on.🤣🚢🚢🚢
    You're a bit off beam there.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjd8275jrrko
    A French-owned ship has passed through the Strait of Hormuz, more than a month after the US-Israeli war with Iran effectively closed the vital transport route.
    The Malta-flagged container ship owned by French company CMA CGM crossed the strait, media organisation BFM TV - which is owned by the shipping company - confirmed on Friday. CMA CGM declined to comment.
    It is the first ship owned by a major Western European firm to go through the strait since the conflict began, shipping analysts Kpler confirmed.
    While Iran has said "non-hostile vessels" can use the waterway, the ongoing conflict - in which several ships have been attacked - has halted normal transport activity.
    Tracking data showed the French-owned ship passed close to the coast of Oman on the opposite side of the waterway to Iran. It is unclear what the ship was carrying.
    A Japanese ship carrying natural gas also made it out of the Strait of Hormuz, Japanese shipping giant MOL confirmed.
    "The safety of the vessel and all crew members have been confirmed," MOL said. "We will continue to place the highest priority on ensuring the safety of our crew, cargo, and vessels as operations proceed."
    Several ships that made the journey through the strait on Thursday hugged "unusually close", external to the coast of Oman, according to maritime news and intelligence service Lloyd's List...

    So you're suggesting all is solved? Great! When do we get the cheap oil?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,601

    FF43 said:

    OT

    I am a staunch atheist but it does seem strange to me that the head of the Church of England should be happy to release messages for Eid and Ramadan but not for Easter.

    Counterintuitively it's mainly non Christians, and I regret to say those interested in creating division and trouble, who are exercised by the lack of an Easter message from the King.

    He released a bland message about Ramadan on his Instagram channel, which is surely appropriate for a major religion amongst his subjects. He talks quite a lot about his Christian faith on social media and there were several posts about the traditional royal activities for Maundy Thursday. He gives an address to the nation at Christmas.

    I suspect his Christian faith is the main reason for him not traditionally giving an Easter message. Easter is the most solemn festival in the Christian calender, so he should let it speak for itself.
    He has given one every year since he became king
    Every year since he became King is only 3 years. He did one in 2025 and 2024. I can’t find one for 2023. His mum rarely did them (just once?).
    Some sources say the Queen gave 4 Easter addresses in different forms.
    I thought the Royals had to maintain human form lest they give the game away.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,454
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer's could have made a tactical mistake by banging on about how he won't give in to pressure from Trump.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2040411608833282226

    European leaders are facing considerable pressure from Washington to open the strait of Hormuz militarily-NYT

    Everything should be done in co-operation with the Gulf countries. The trouble is you can't be sure if Trump isn't just engaging in needless Europe bashing.
    A couple of posts that I think illustrate the American thinking on this.

    https://x.com/drjstrategy/status/2040029898295632377

    And a reply

    https://x.com/mdc12345678/status/2040099101547630597

    Key quote: “If Trump rapidly crushed Iran’s remaining coastal capabilities, swept the mines and escorted tankers back through the Strait, Europe and the UK would heave a sigh of relief and return to business as usual: underfunded militaries, maximalist green posturing and performative disdain for US power, all underwritten by that same power. The contradiction between their dependence and their posture would remain latent.”

    Trump’s been pretty consistent since 2016 that the US military alone supports much of the Western economy, and he wants to move away from that state of affairs. I think he misses the huge soft power that this gives to the US in return though.
    "Thinking" is unduly generous.
    It'd certainly be a lot easier to pay Iran off and give them sanctions relief than any military solution to forcing the strait open.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,297
    edited April 4

    OT

    I am a staunch atheist but it does seem strange to me that the head of the Church of England should be happy to release messages for Eid and Ramadan but not for Easter.

    I believe the King thinks his annual Christmas message recognises the holiest time in the Christian calendar is the equivalent of Ramadan.

    There is definitely some culture war stuff here with some supporters of Reform and Restore thinking the King is too close to Islam and not Christian nationalist enough.

    For example on the latest Yougov monarchy poll the King has only a 61% favourable rating with Reform voters, far lower than the 87% favourable rating Reform voters give Prince William. Indeed while the King still has his highest favourable rating with Tories, at 87%, on a net favourable basis the King even does slightly better with LDs, at +30% than he does with Reform voters who only give him a +28% rating, the same as the +28% Labour voters give him

    https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Internal_RoyalFamilyTracker_260109.pdf

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,237
    Cambridge are magic, Oxford are tragic.

    When it comes to the men's race perhaps next year they should let Oxford Brookes replace the University of Oxford to make it competitive.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,309

    Congratulations to Cambridge University's women's rowing team for finishing in the top two.

    Commiserations to Oxford University's women's rowing team for finishing second from last.

    I gather the Prime Ministers beat the spies then ;)
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,312

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2040420836675346653

    The Failing New York Times, whose lack of credibility, and their constant Fake News attacks on your favorite President, ME, has caused its circulation to absolutely PLUMMET, referred to our severely weakened and extremely unreliable "partner,"NATO, as the North American Treaty Organization. The correct name is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization - A very interesting mistake! The hiring and educational standards have gone way down at the NYT. Bring back, "ALL THE NEWS THAT'S FIT TO PRINT" and, Make America Great Again! President DJT

    The guy just rambles and shouts these days...

    So, what are the odds being given on Trump's early departure from office? I think there is an increasing chance that either: he gets removed under the 25th amendment, or resigns to avoid that, or is impeached and resigns, or is impeached and convicted, or drops dead some time between now and January 20th 2029... 1021 more days for a man who is already 80 on June 14th...

    Given how thoroughly vile he is as a man and how bad he is as a President I make no apology for a death watch on the evil slug.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,297
    Cambridge again produce boat race winners (and the King and Nobel prize winners), making up for Oxford's overproduction of PMs
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,550

    nico67 said:

    Starmer's could have made a tactical mistake by banging on about how he won't give in to pressure from Trump.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2040411608833282226

    European leaders are facing considerable pressure from Washington to open the strait of Hormuz militarily-NYT

    Not going to happen .

    European leaders aren’t going to clean up Trumps mess .
    That is not the reason. The issue is there is no purely military way to open the Strait of Hormuz. That is why the Americans haven't done it.

    That would take a ceasefire or peace agreement between Iran, Israel and the USA, which Britain or Europe cannot impose.

    Where Keir Starmer could but China will earn some brownie points is in reminding Iran it is not in its own interest to cut off trade, so Iran should guarantee safe passage but charge for it. China could also take a swipe at Lloyds of London and American insurers by offering tanker owners cheap insurance.
    Unfortunately there is a military way to achieve this. Nuke Iran until it totally surrenders
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,035
    HYUFD said:

    OT

    I am a staunch atheist but it does seem strange to me that the head of the Church of England should be happy to release messages for Eid and Ramadan but not for Easter.

    She is as Woke as they come.

    The clergy of the CofE are best imagined as Corbynites or members of the Green Party.
    I’m confirmed in the CofE and am neither. But generalise all you like.
    I attend a C of E church each week and am a member of the Tory Party!
    Really! That's quite surprising.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,793
    https://youtu.be/0aiFtFloDHU

    That’s the Queen at the Maundy service in 1955. Disgracefully, she didn’t tweet or say anything on Instagram about Easter that year.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,309
    HYUFD said:

    OT

    I am a staunch atheist but it does seem strange to me that the head of the Church of England should be happy to release messages for Eid and Ramadan but not for Easter.

    I believe the King thinks his annual Christmas message recognises the holiest time in the Christian calendar is the equivalent of Ramadan.

    There is definitely some culture war stuff here with some supporters of Reform and Restore thinking the King is too close to Islam and not Christian nationalist enough.

    For example on the latest Yougov monarchy poll the King has only a 61% favourable rating with Reform voters, far lower than the 87% favourable rating Reform voters give Prince William. Indeed while the King still has his highest favourable rating with Tories, at 87%, on a net favourable basis the King even does slightly better with LDs, at +30% than he does with Reform voters who only give him a +28% rating, the same as the +28% Labour voters give him

    https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Internal_RoyalFamilyTracker_260109.pdf

    As I say I am an atheist but even I know the holiest event in the Christian calendar is Easter not Christmas.

    That said I posted as a matter of interest not because I actually think he has done anything wrong.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,793

    https://youtu.be/0aiFtFloDHU

    That’s the Queen at the Maundy service in 1955. Disgracefully, she didn’t tweet or say anything on Instagram about Easter that year.

    Here’s the Queen in 2010 attending a mosque! https://youtu.be/zuctXRZTy3g
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,891
    Cicero said:

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2040420836675346653

    The Failing New York Times, whose lack of credibility, and their constant Fake News attacks on your favorite President, ME, has caused its circulation to absolutely PLUMMET, referred to our severely weakened and extremely unreliable "partner,"NATO, as the North American Treaty Organization. The correct name is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization - A very interesting mistake! The hiring and educational standards have gone way down at the NYT. Bring back, "ALL THE NEWS THAT'S FIT TO PRINT" and, Make America Great Again! President DJT

    The guy just rambles and shouts these days...

    So, what are the odds being given on Trump's early departure from office? I think there is an increasing chance that either: he gets removed under the 25th amendment, or resigns to avoid that, or is impeached and resigns, or is impeached and convicted, or drops dead some time between now and January 20th 2029... 1021 more days for a man who is already 80 on June 14th...

    Given how thoroughly vile he is as a man and how bad he is as a President I make no apology for a death watch on the evil slug.
    I can't find odds on him not going full term. I'd be interested at anything like 4 or better.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917
    Someone should tell JD.

    Absolute insanity at the Pentagon. Pete Hegseth is so triggered by Pope Leo's anti-war message that he literally banned Catholic services at the Pentagon on Good Friday! The Trump administration is now actively suppressing religious freedom to protect their war agenda.
    https://x.com/FurkanGozukara/status/2040247256075379142
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,823
    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Starmer's could have made a tactical mistake by banging on about how he won't give in to pressure from Trump.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2040411608833282226

    European leaders are facing considerable pressure from Washington to open the strait of Hormuz militarily-NYT

    Not going to happen .

    European leaders aren’t going to clean up Trumps mess .
    That is not the reason. The issue is there is no purely military way to open the Strait of Hormuz. That is why the Americans haven't done it.

    That would take a ceasefire or peace agreement between Iran, Israel and the USA, which Britain or Europe cannot impose.

    Where Keir Starmer could but China will earn some brownie points is in reminding Iran it is not in its own interest to cut off trade, so Iran should guarantee safe passage but charge for it. China could also take a swipe at Lloyds of London and American insurers by offering tanker owners cheap insurance.
    Unfortunately there is a military way to achieve this. Nuke Iran until it totally surrenders
    As long as the message gets through.


  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,793
    kinabalu said:

    Cicero said:

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2040420836675346653

    The Failing New York Times, whose lack of credibility, and their constant Fake News attacks on your favorite President, ME, has caused its circulation to absolutely PLUMMET, referred to our severely weakened and extremely unreliable "partner,"NATO, as the North American Treaty Organization. The correct name is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization - A very interesting mistake! The hiring and educational standards have gone way down at the NYT. Bring back, "ALL THE NEWS THAT'S FIT TO PRINT" and, Make America Great Again! President DJT

    The guy just rambles and shouts these days...

    So, what are the odds being given on Trump's early departure from office? I think there is an increasing chance that either: he gets removed under the 25th amendment, or resigns to avoid that, or is impeached and resigns, or is impeached and convicted, or drops dead some time between now and January 20th 2029... 1021 more days for a man who is already 80 on June 14th...

    Given how thoroughly vile he is as a man and how bad he is as a President I make no apology for a death watch on the evil slug.
    I can't find odds on him not going full term. I'd be interested at anything like 4 or better.
    Would the market be voided if he left office by dying? That seems the most likely way for him to stop being President prematurely.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,297
    edited April 4

    HYUFD said:

    OT

    I am a staunch atheist but it does seem strange to me that the head of the Church of England should be happy to release messages for Eid and Ramadan but not for Easter.

    I believe the King thinks his annual Christmas message recognises the holiest time in the Christian calendar is the equivalent of Ramadan.

    There is definitely some culture war stuff here with some supporters of Reform and Restore thinking the King is too close to Islam and not Christian nationalist enough.

    For example on the latest Yougov monarchy poll the King has only a 61% favourable rating with Reform voters, far lower than the 87% favourable rating Reform voters give Prince William. Indeed while the King still has his highest favourable rating with Tories, at 87%, on a net favourable basis the King even does slightly better with LDs, at +30% than he does with Reform voters who only give him a +28% rating, the same as the +28% Labour voters give him

    https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Internal_RoyalFamilyTracker_260109.pdf

    As I say I am an atheist but even I know the holiest event in the Christian calendar is Easter not Christmas.

    That said I posted as a matter of interest not because I actually think he has done anything wrong.
    For the church maybe, for most ordinary Christians it is Christmas and the King is hardly going to cancel his Christmas message and do it at Easter instead just because a few rightwing nationalists are offended he now does a Ramadan message. Personally I would like the King to do messages at Christmas and Easter but clearly he only wants to do the one
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,237

    Congratulations to Cambridge University's women's rowing team for finishing in the top two.

    Commiserations to Oxford University's women's rowing team for finishing second from last.

    I gather the Prime Ministers beat the spies then ;)
    Prime Ministers v Nobel Laureates.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,614
    I think Charles is just seeking attention. He does have undoubted qualities, but unfortunately whereas the Queen naturally commanded attention but did not seek it, Charles is constantly messaging, indicating his preferences, involving himself in debates. Greek flag ties, saying 'Upon the advice of the Government' so we all know how much he hates Trump, blah blah blah. Failure as a constitutional monarch.

    I think William and Kate will be far better.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,793
    Nigelb said:

    Someone should tell JD.

    Absolute insanity at the Pentagon. Pete Hegseth is so triggered by Pope Leo's anti-war message that he literally banned Catholic services at the Pentagon on Good Friday! The Trump administration is now actively suppressing religious freedom to protect their war agenda.
    https://x.com/FurkanGozukara/status/2040247256075379142

    Fuller report: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/news-live-updates_n_69ca6616e4b0128a9ef83bad/liveblog_69cfef6ce4b0d214cc7139b5

    Reportedly, there have previously been Catholic masses.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,815
    edited April 4

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2040420836675346653

    The Failing New York Times, whose lack of credibility, and their constant Fake News attacks on your favorite President, ME, has caused its circulation to absolutely PLUMMET, referred to our severely weakened and extremely unreliable "partner,"NATO, as the North American Treaty Organization. The correct name is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization - A very interesting mistake! The hiring and educational standards have gone way down at the NYT. Bring back, "ALL THE NEWS THAT'S FIT TO PRINT" and, Make America Great Again! President DJT

    On the day the NYT posted this story on the Democratic Party’s somewhat opaque ActBlue campaign funding scheme:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/03/us/politics/liberal-billionaires-dark-money.html

    Trump would for once have been better off highting a serious piece of investigative journalism rather than trashing the paper that published it. GOP activists definitely won’t be happy with the President!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,163

    kle4 said:

    Competence is always optional.

    Armed police officers guarding London mayor Sadiq Khan left a bag of guns outside his home, it has emerged.

    Five people have now been temporarily suspended from frontline duties while an investigation takes place.

    A Heckler & Koch submachine gun, a Glock pistol, a Taser and ammunition were reportedly inside the bag.


    https://news.sky.com/story/armed-police-officers-left-bag-of-guns-outside-sadiq-khans-home-13527800?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb

    Who forgets whether they have left behind their bag of guns?

    And what is the point of suspending the coppers in question? Yeah, someone f'd up but they can probably work that out for themselves.
    I think a suspension is necessary to go over procedures and retrainingg so that they are less likely to do that again. If I cocked up big time as a teacher I'd expect to be suspended pending.
    Though I don't remember leaving a bag of guns in the science prep room by mistake.
    Well, obviously.

    That’s because you forgot about forgetting the bag of guns in the science prep room.
    There is no antimemetics division.
    Now out in hardback. Two versions available on YouTube. The original is on SCP. I'm waiting for the paperback.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,550
    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,297

    I think Charles is just seeking attention. He does have undoubted qualities, but unfortunately whereas the Queen naturally commanded attention but did not seek it, Charles is constantly messaging, indicating his preferences, involving himself in debates. Greek flag ties, saying 'Upon the advice of the Government' so we all know how much he hates Trump, blah blah blah. Failure as a constitutional monarch.

    I think William and Kate will be far better.

    To be fair to the King he does his engagements and has a full diary as does Queen Camilla, yes he may be more outspoken than his mother but still not overstepping the line. William and Kate's list of engagements is rather thinner by comparison, once he becomes King he will need to do the full works even if he proves a stronger head of state
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917
    .
    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Who knows ?

    The guy is gaga; it could mean anything.
    Or nothing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,237
    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Technically he said 'reign down' so I reckon he's going to declare himself the Supreme Leader of Iran.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,237
    Further arrest made in connection with a Counter Terrorism Policing investigation into an arson attack on volunteer-led ambulances run by the Jewish community in Golders Green.

    Met recognised the 19 year old man as he attended hearing of 3 suspects facing charges at court on Sat


    https://x.com/lmharpin/status/2040432798851350573
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,297
    Nigelb said:

    Someone should tell JD.

    Absolute insanity at the Pentagon. Pete Hegseth is so triggered by Pope Leo's anti-war message that he literally banned Catholic services at the Pentagon on Good Friday! The Trump administration is now actively suppressing religious freedom to protect their war agenda.
    https://x.com/FurkanGozukara/status/2040247256075379142

    Roman Catholics did vote for Trump by less than Protestant evangelicals did in 2024 and in 2020 most Roman Catholics even voted for Biden. They are not Trump regime inner core apart from Vance
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917
    Battlebus said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Starmer's could have made a tactical mistake by banging on about how he won't give in to pressure from Trump.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2040411608833282226

    European leaders are facing considerable pressure from Washington to open the strait of Hormuz militarily-NYT

    Not going to happen .

    European leaders aren’t going to clean up Trumps mess .
    That is not the reason. The issue is there is no purely military way to open the Strait of Hormuz. That is why the Americans haven't done it.

    That would take a ceasefire or peace agreement between Iran, Israel and the USA, which Britain or Europe cannot impose.

    Where Keir Starmer could but China will earn some brownie points is in reminding Iran it is not in its own interest to cut off trade, so Iran should guarantee safe passage but charge for it. China could also take a swipe at Lloyds of London and American insurers by offering tanker owners cheap insurance.
    Unfortunately there is a military way to achieve this. Nuke Iran until it totally surrenders
    As long as the message gets through.


    Let's hope the reports that Trump is completely out to lunch are correct, then.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 23,065
    The fact that Iran has closed the Strait of Hormuz and that gasoline in the US is now more than $4 a gallon is a very clear indicator that Trump's Folly in attacking Iran has failed. Lots of pain for little gain.

    Now, Trump never accepts that he has lost, and so this has to be someone else's fault. And the someone else he has chosen is Europe, and Britain in particular. That's the only reason he keeps on going on about Europe reopening the Strait.

    Now, normally, I would say that Trump has a very good chance of making this stick, because blaming other people for his fuckups is a core Trump competency. But the fly in the ointment this time is that gasoline is more than $4 a gallon, and if Trump could reopen the Strait and bring the price of gas down, why doesn't he get on and do it, instead of blaming the Europeans for not doing so?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,017

    FPT…

    I am looking forward to the Brussels Stasi hauling off Mrs Smith from the WI for selling jars labelled "Marmalade" at the village fete.

    The rules are British rules (made to follow EU rules) and are enforced by UK authorities, who, generally speaking, are not jobsworths who have any interest in going after people selling homemade jars at fetes.
    Why isn't orange jam just called jam? Think of all the ink wasted over centuries printing nine letters when three would do. Whatever happened to the Utilitarian Party? This is not just about citrus preserves, it's about our indolent attitude to waste and inefficiency.
    Surely someone called @Alphabet_Soup should be in favour of more letters than fewer?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,863

    Congratulations to Cambridge University's women's rowing team for finishing in the top two.

    Commiserations to Oxford University's women's rowing team for finishing second from last.

    I gather the Prime Ministers beat the spies then ;)
    Prime Ministers v Nobel Laureates.
    Ringers v Ringers
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,550
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Who knows ?

    The guy is gaga; it could mean anything.
    Or nothing.
    Well yes. But somewhat more ominous is the Stalinist purging of the Pentagon

    Why would you do that in the middle of a war? The only possible reason is because there are generals and admirals who are refusing to obey. This could be because they quite wisely foresee a ground invasion as a total disaster. Or it could be because they refuse to drop the bomb
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Someone should tell JD.

    Absolute insanity at the Pentagon. Pete Hegseth is so triggered by Pope Leo's anti-war message that he literally banned Catholic services at the Pentagon on Good Friday! The Trump administration is now actively suppressing religious freedom to protect their war agenda.
    https://x.com/FurkanGozukara/status/2040247256075379142

    Roman Catholics did vote for Trump by less than Protestant evangelicals did in 2024 and in 2020 most Roman Catholics even voted for Biden. They are not Trump regime inner core apart from Vance
    What pray have army services got to do with being "regime inner core" ?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,506
    edited April 4
    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Using a nuclear weapon is a stretch too far even for the current craziness in the WH .

    We’ll either get another delay as Trump makes up more imaginary talks with Iran or they’ll take out some energy infrastructure.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,550
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Using a nuclear weapon is a stretch too far even for the current craziness in the WH .

    We’ll either get another delay as Trump makes up more imaginary talks with Iran or they’ll take out some energy infrastructure.



    I hope you’re right. Indeed you probably are right

    But this is Trump. Nothing is impossible

    And it could be argued that nukes are the only way out now, for America, if they want to avoid a catastrophic ground invasion or a humiliating retreat leaving the Iranian regime intact and in control of the region
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917
    edited April 4
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Who knows ?

    The guy is gaga; it could mean anything.
    Or nothing.
    Well yes. But somewhat more ominous is the Stalinist purging of the Pentagon

    Why would you do that in the middle of a war? The only possible reason is because there are generals and admirals who are refusing to obey. This could be because they quite wisely foresee a ground invasion as a total disaster. Or it could be because they refuse to drop the bomb
    Sacking the army chief has nothing to do with that; not under his purview.

    In any event, this seems pretty clear. It was about the purge of black and women officers.

    https://x.com/micyoung75/status/2040353933567422875
    Driscoll refused to pull the names for months. Hegseth did it himself, likely illegally. George asked to discuss it. Hegseth refused the meeting, then fired him two years into a four-year term. Nine officials confirmed. Pentagon disputed nothing specific.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,502
    Who has authority to act on the 25th amendment?

    Isn't it really designed for Presidents in a coma?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,070

    The fact that Iran has closed the Strait of Hormuz and that gasoline in the US is now more than $4 a gallon is a very clear indicator that Trump's Folly in attacking Iran has failed. Lots of pain for little gain.

    Now, Trump never accepts that he has lost, and so this has to be someone else's fault. And the someone else he has chosen is Europe, and Britain in particular. That's the only reason he keeps on going on about Europe reopening the Strait.

    Now, normally, I would say that Trump has a very good chance of making this stick, because blaming other people for his fuckups is a core Trump competency. But the fly in the ointment this time is that gasoline is more than $4 a gallon, and if Trump could reopen the Strait and bring the price of gas down, why doesn't he get on and do it, instead of blaming the Europeans for not doing so?

    He doesn't accept that the gas price is to with Hormuz as the US doesn't need their oil (in his words).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,297
    edited April 4
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Someone should tell JD.

    Absolute insanity at the Pentagon. Pete Hegseth is so triggered by Pope Leo's anti-war message that he literally banned Catholic services at the Pentagon on Good Friday! The Trump administration is now actively suppressing religious freedom to protect their war agenda.
    https://x.com/FurkanGozukara/status/2040247256075379142

    Roman Catholics did vote for Trump by less than Protestant evangelicals did in 2024 and in 2020 most Roman Catholics even voted for Biden. They are not Trump regime inner core apart from Vance
    What pray have army services got to do with being "regime inner core" ?
    Only Southern Baptists and rightwing Pentecostals are deemed sufficiently Trump enthusiastic enough still to inspire the troops and to tell them Trump is still doing Christ's work
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,891

    kinabalu said:

    Cicero said:

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2040420836675346653

    The Failing New York Times, whose lack of credibility, and their constant Fake News attacks on your favorite President, ME, has caused its circulation to absolutely PLUMMET, referred to our severely weakened and extremely unreliable "partner,"NATO, as the North American Treaty Organization. The correct name is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization - A very interesting mistake! The hiring and educational standards have gone way down at the NYT. Bring back, "ALL THE NEWS THAT'S FIT TO PRINT" and, Make America Great Again! President DJT

    The guy just rambles and shouts these days...

    So, what are the odds being given on Trump's early departure from office? I think there is an increasing chance that either: he gets removed under the 25th amendment, or resigns to avoid that, or is impeached and resigns, or is impeached and convicted, or drops dead some time between now and January 20th 2029... 1021 more days for a man who is already 80 on June 14th...

    Given how thoroughly vile he is as a man and how bad he is as a President I make no apology for a death watch on the evil slug.
    I can't find odds on him not going full term. I'd be interested at anything like 4 or better.
    Would the market be voided if he left office by dying? That seems the most likely way for him to stop being President prematurely.
    Yes you'd have to check that point - but I'm not aware of any market on it (least not one I can access).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,070

    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Technically he said 'reign down' so I reckon he's going to declare himself the Supreme Leader of Iran.
    And then the Israelis take him out? Is that how it works?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,815

    Further arrest made in connection with a Counter Terrorism Policing investigation into an arson attack on volunteer-led ambulances run by the Jewish community in Golders Green.

    Met recognised the 19 year old man as he attended hearing of 3 suspects facing charges at court on Sat


    https://x.com/lmharpin/status/2040432798851350573

    What’s the criminal justice version of a Darwin Award? So the guy who got away decided to turn up to the courthouse where those that got nabbed were appearing, and got himself recognised by the coppers working the case!
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,506
    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Using a nuclear weapon is a stretch too far even for the current craziness in the WH .

    We’ll either get another delay as Trump makes up more imaginary talks with Iran or they’ll take out some energy infrastructure.



    I hope you’re right. Indeed you probably are right

    But this is Trump. Nothing is impossible

    And it could be argued that nukes are the only way out now, for America, if they want to avoid a catastrophic ground invasion or a humiliating retreat leaving the Iranian regime intact and in control of the region
    Using nukes will see the US become a total pariah state . I don’t see it .

    Trump wants to enjoy his ballroom and using a nuke would surely even be too much for the current Congress !
  • Big_IanBig_Ian Posts: 75

    kinabalu said:

    Cicero said:

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2040420836675346653

    The Failing New York Times, whose lack of credibility, and their constant Fake News attacks on your favorite President, ME, has caused its circulation to absolutely PLUMMET, referred to our severely weakened and extremely unreliable "partner,"NATO, as the North American Treaty Organization. The correct name is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization - A very interesting mistake! The hiring and educational standards have gone way down at the NYT. Bring back, "ALL THE NEWS THAT'S FIT TO PRINT" and, Make America Great Again! President DJT

    The guy just rambles and shouts these days...

    So, what are the odds being given on Trump's early departure from office? I think there is an increasing chance that either: he gets removed under the 25th amendment, or resigns to avoid that, or is impeached and resigns, or is impeached and convicted, or drops dead some time between now and January 20th 2029... 1021 more days for a man who is already 80 on June 14th...

    Given how thoroughly vile he is as a man and how bad he is as a President I make no apology for a death watch on the evil slug.
    I can't find odds on him not going full term. I'd be interested at anything like 4 or better.
    Would the market be voided if he left office by dying? That seems the most likely way for him to stop being President prematurely.
    Method of departure would make an interesting market.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 23,065
    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Using a nuclear weapon is a stretch too far even for the current craziness in the WH .

    We’ll either get another delay as Trump makes up more imaginary talks with Iran or they’ll take out some energy infrastructure.



    I hope you’re right. Indeed you probably are right

    But this is Trump. Nothing is impossible

    And it could be argued that nukes are the only way out now, for America, if they want to avoid a catastrophic ground invasion or a humiliating retreat leaving the Iranian regime intact and in control of the region
    Using nukes would also be humiliating and would have severe consequences.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,525
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Using a nuclear weapon is a stretch too far even for the current craziness in the WH .

    We’ll either get another delay as Trump makes up more imaginary talks with Iran or they’ll take out some energy infrastructure.



    I hope you’re right. Indeed you probably are right

    But this is Trump. Nothing is impossible

    And it could be argued that nukes are the only way out now, for America, if they want to avoid a catastrophic ground invasion or a humiliating retreat leaving the Iranian regime intact and in control of the region
    Using nukes will see the US become a total pariah state . I don’t see it .

    Trump wants to enjoy his ballroom and using a nuke would surely even be too much for the current Congress !
    Congress wouldn't do jack shit
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,454
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Using a nuclear weapon is a stretch too far even for the current craziness in the WH .

    We’ll either get another delay as Trump makes up more imaginary talks with Iran or they’ll take out some energy infrastructure.



    I hope you’re right. Indeed you probably are right

    But this is Trump. Nothing is impossible

    And it could be argued that nukes are the only way out now, for America, if they want to avoid a catastrophic ground invasion or a humiliating retreat leaving the Iranian regime intact and in control of the region
    Using nukes will see the US become a total pariah state . I don’t see it .

    Trump wants to enjoy his ballroom and using a nuke would surely even be too much for the current Congress !
    I can see it. Using a nuke would be popular with his base because it's cheap, ends the war and is a big dick baller move.

    It would also give VVP licence to put Ukraine back in its (pine) box by threatening or using a nuke. "Win/Win" as BartyBobs is fond of saying.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,510

    Who has authority to act on the 25th amendment?

    Isn't it really designed for Presidents in a coma?

    The cabinet.

    Yes, it is so designed, but it can be invoked separately. The catch is a non-comatose president can challenge it, and it requires 2/3 of both the gatherings of corrupt amoral scumbags, er, houses of Congress to negate such a challenge.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,795
    Would use of a nuke get rid of the regime?
    Presumably it would be used on cities?
    Thus wiping out the Regime's opponents. And leaving the countryside medievally intact.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917
    edited April 4

    Who has authority to act on the 25th amendment?

    Isn't it really designed for Presidents in a coma?

    It was prompted by Kennedy's assassination, and new President LBJ's heart attack, to clarify the procedures around transfer of power.
    I don't think they even began to consider the case of a President who might or might not be mad.

    The VP and a majority of the cabinet could, theoretically, declare him incapable/incapacitated.

    But do you really think the mixture of sycophants, manipulators, and inadequates like Hegseth are going to provide that majority ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,510
    Cicero said:

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2040420836675346653

    The Failing New York Times, whose lack of credibility, and their constant Fake News attacks on your favorite President, ME, has caused its circulation to absolutely PLUMMET, referred to our severely weakened and extremely unreliable "partner,"NATO, as the North American Treaty Organization. The correct name is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization - A very interesting mistake! The hiring and educational standards have gone way down at the NYT. Bring back, "ALL THE NEWS THAT'S FIT TO PRINT" and, Make America Great Again! President DJT

    The guy just rambles and shouts these days...

    So, what are the odds being given on Trump's early departure from office? I think there is an increasing chance that either: he gets removed under the 25th amendment, or resigns to avoid that, or is impeached and resigns, or is impeached and convicted, or drops dead some time between now and January 20th 2029... 1021 more days for a man who is already 80 on June 14th...

    Given how thoroughly vile he is as a man and how bad he is as a President I make no apology for a death watch on the evil slug.
    I do think you owe an apology to slugs though.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917
    Dura_Ace said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Using a nuclear weapon is a stretch too far even for the current craziness in the WH .

    We’ll either get another delay as Trump makes up more imaginary talks with Iran or they’ll take out some energy infrastructure.



    I hope you’re right. Indeed you probably are right

    But this is Trump. Nothing is impossible

    And it could be argued that nukes are the only way out now, for America, if they want to avoid a catastrophic ground invasion or a humiliating retreat leaving the Iranian regime intact and in control of the region
    Using nukes will see the US become a total pariah state . I don’t see it .

    Trump wants to enjoy his ballroom and using a nuke would surely even be too much for the current Congress !
    I can see it. Using a nuke would be popular with his base because it's cheap, ends the war and is a big dick baller move.

    It would also give VVP licence to put Ukraine back in its (pine) box by threatening or using a nuke. "Win/Win" as BartyBobs is fond of saying.
    And what if it didn't end the war (which is entirely possible) ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,510
    Nigelb said:

    Who has authority to act on the 25th amendment?

    Isn't it really designed for Presidents in a coma?

    It was prompted by Kennedy's assassination, and new President LBJ's heart attack, to clarify the procedures around transfer of power.
    I don't think they even began to consider the case of a President who might or might not be mad.

    The VP and a majority of the cabinet could, theoretically, declare him incapable/incapacitated.

    But do you really think the mixture of sycophants, manipulators, and inadequates like Hegseth are going to provide that majority ?
    Although ironically it was considered for Johnson's successor on the grounds of insanity.

    Instead, the SecDef just settled for ordering the military not to action a nuclear launch without the additional authorisation of either himself or Henry Kissinger.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,070
    Nigelb said:

    Who has authority to act on the 25th amendment?

    Isn't it really designed for Presidents in a coma?

    It was prompted by Kennedy's assassination, and new President LBJ's heart attack, to clarify the procedures around transfer of power.
    I don't think they even began to consider the case of a President who might or might not be mad.

    The VP and a majority of the cabinet could, theoretically, declare him incapable/incapacitated.

    But do you really think the mixture of sycophants, manipulators, and inadequates like Hegseth are going to provide that majority ?
    Nope.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917
    Dura_Ace said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Using a nuclear weapon is a stretch too far even for the current craziness in the WH .

    We’ll either get another delay as Trump makes up more imaginary talks with Iran or they’ll take out some energy infrastructure.



    I hope you’re right. Indeed you probably are right

    But this is Trump. Nothing is impossible

    And it could be argued that nukes are the only way out now, for America, if they want to avoid a catastrophic ground invasion or a humiliating retreat leaving the Iranian regime intact and in control of the region
    Using nukes will see the US become a total pariah state . I don’t see it .

    Trump wants to enjoy his ballroom and using a nuke would surely even be too much for the current Congress !
    I can see it. Using a nuke would be popular with his base because it's cheap, ends the war and is a big dick baller move.

    It would also give VVP licence to put Ukraine back in its (pine) box by threatening or using a nuke. "Win/Win" as BartyBobs is fond of saying.
    Your obsession with destroying Ukraine is becoming unhealthy.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,887
    edited April 4

    Cambridge are magic, Oxford are tragic.

    When it comes to the men's race perhaps next year they should let Oxford Brookes replace the University of Oxford to make it competitive.

    My grandson rows for Oxford Brookes. He'd love the chance.
    It would give me conflicting loyalties.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,506

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Using a nuclear weapon is a stretch too far even for the current craziness in the WH .

    We’ll either get another delay as Trump makes up more imaginary talks with Iran or they’ll take out some energy infrastructure.



    I hope you’re right. Indeed you probably are right

    But this is Trump. Nothing is impossible

    And it could be argued that nukes are the only way out now, for America, if they want to avoid a catastrophic ground invasion or a humiliating retreat leaving the Iranian regime intact and in control of the region
    Using nukes will see the US become a total pariah state . I don’t see it .

    Trump wants to enjoy his ballroom and using a nuke would surely even be too much for the current Congress !
    Congress wouldn't do jack shit
    Wiping out hundreds of thousands of people would be a step too far even for this Congress. Not sure even the current bunch of sycophants in the Pentagon would obey this order .

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,917

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Using a nuclear weapon is a stretch too far even for the current craziness in the WH .

    We’ll either get another delay as Trump makes up more imaginary talks with Iran or they’ll take out some energy infrastructure.



    I hope you’re right. Indeed you probably are right

    But this is Trump. Nothing is impossible

    And it could be argued that nukes are the only way out now, for America, if they want to avoid a catastrophic ground invasion or a humiliating retreat leaving the Iranian regime intact and in control of the region
    Using nukes would also be humiliating and would have severe consequences.
    Those are rational objections.
    We're discussing the completely irrational.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,070
    Dura_Ace said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Using a nuclear weapon is a stretch too far even for the current craziness in the WH .

    We’ll either get another delay as Trump makes up more imaginary talks with Iran or they’ll take out some energy infrastructure.



    I hope you’re right. Indeed you probably are right

    But this is Trump. Nothing is impossible

    And it could be argued that nukes are the only way out now, for America, if they want to avoid a catastrophic ground invasion or a humiliating retreat leaving the Iranian regime intact and in control of the region
    Using nukes will see the US become a total pariah state . I don’t see it .

    Trump wants to enjoy his ballroom and using a nuke would surely even be too much for the current Congress !
    I can see it. Using a nuke would be popular with his base because it's cheap, ends the war and is a big dick baller move.

    It would also give VVP licence to put Ukraine back in its (pine) box by threatening or using a nuke. "Win/Win" as BartyBobs is fond of saying.
    "I have concerns"
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,948
    Why do Oxford always lose?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,550
    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Trump has just promised that “all hell will rain down on Iran in 48 hours”

    Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna nuke them?

    Using a nuclear weapon is a stretch too far even for the current craziness in the WH .

    We’ll either get another delay as Trump makes up more imaginary talks with Iran or they’ll take out some energy infrastructure.



    I hope you’re right. Indeed you probably are right

    But this is Trump. Nothing is impossible

    And it could be argued that nukes are the only way out now, for America, if they want to avoid a catastrophic ground invasion or a humiliating retreat leaving the Iranian regime intact and in control of the region
    Using nukes will see the US become a total pariah state . I don’t see it .

    Trump wants to enjoy his ballroom and using a nuke would surely even be too much for the current Congress !
    I can see it. Using a nuke would be popular with his base because it's cheap, ends the war and is a big dick baller move.

    It would also give VVP licence to put Ukraine back in its (pine) box by threatening or using a nuke. "Win/Win" as BartyBobs is fond of saying.
    And what if it didn't end the war (which is entirely possible) ?
    It would end the war because Iran would surrender

    Trump would presumably drop a couple of tactical nukes on military bases to encourage Iran to yield. With the clear implication that he will drop more and more bombs, on ever larger cities, until they DO surrender

    They would surrender. As they don’t have nukes of their own and no nuclear power would come to their aid

    It would be the same logic that applied to Japan. There is no point in fighting if all it means is certain defeat AND the deaths of many millions and the end of your civilisation

    What the global consequences would be of Trump doing this - I have no clue. It would be a singularity. With an event horizon
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