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The war in Iran is going to reshape politics in Britain, and not in a good way. Operation Epstein Fury is so disruptive of oil and gas prices that it is quickly become the singular political issue in countries around the world.

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  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,121
    Interesting article Rochdale, but you can't have it both ways. It can't be bad that Ref/Green will fall away AND bad that Lab/Con will remain, surely?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,717
    edited 3:20PM
    "the prices crisis isn’t caused by elites"?
    How would you describe Trump, the GOP, and his billionaire funders, enablers and sycophants then?
    And the fact that it's a War being driven by fundamentalists of the three Abrahamic religions.
    Are they not an elite?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,684
    Cookie said:

    Interesting article Rochdale, but you can't have it both ways. It can't be bad that Ref/Green will fall away AND bad that Lab/Con will remain, surely?

    You can if you're a Lib Dem!
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,785
    Trump's off on one again this afternoon. When will Starmer do they decent thing and let the KIng off the hook regarding the US visit.

    As an alternative, he could declare the UK a Republic which would have the same effect and send President Blair over instead.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,414
    How much abuse is the UK supposed to take from Trump ?

    It’s now just too much . The King and Queen should cancel their trip . Enough is enough .
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,880
    dixiedean said:

    "the prices crisis isn’t caused by elites"?
    How would you describe Trump, the GOP, and his billionaire funders, enablers and sycophants then?
    And the fact that it's a War being driven by fundamentalists of the three Abrahamic religions.
    Are they not an elite?

    I thought the same thing.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,880
    I'm not sure the idea that the more prices shoot up and there's shortages and so on that this means people will cling to the status quo.

    Russian revolution started with protests over price of bread iirc.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,868

    dixiedean said:

    "the prices crisis isn’t caused by elites"?
    How would you describe Trump, the GOP, and his billionaire funders, enablers and sycophants then?
    And the fact that it's a War being driven by fundamentalists of the three Abrahamic religions.
    Are they not an elite?

    I thought the same thing.
    ‘Twas ever thus

    Peronism, for example. Which Trumpism resembles to quite a degree.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,717
    According to Trump the "operation" was going to take 4-6 weeks but they're well ahead of schedule. So it's going to finish in the next couple of days then? Unless Trump is taking crap of course, which I suppose is a *slight* possibility.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,838
    edited 3:35PM
    I don't think that people will go back to Labour and Conservatives, in response to rising prices.

    FPT My back of the envelope calculation for the local elections is that Reform will gain around 150 seats in London, and around 1,200 outside it. Labour's vote share is down by half on 2022, so they'll likely be losing more than half the 2,400 seats they are defending.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,053
    dixiedean said:

    "the prices crisis isn’t caused by elites"?
    How would you describe Trump, the GOP, and his billionaire funders, enablers and sycophants then?
    And the fact that it's a War being driven by fundamentalists of the three Abrahamic religions.
    Are they not an elite?

    Elite c***s for sure. Thats another five years before my ESTA will get approval.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,305
    CatMan said:

    According to Trump the "operation" was going to take 4-6 weeks but they're well ahead of schedule. So it's going to finish in the next couple of days then? Unless Trump is taking crap of course, which I suppose is a *slight* possibility.

    Until there is regime change it would be mad to go through all this disruption only to chicken out now and end the war.

    So I fully expect Trump to TACO out any day now.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,912
    FPT and Stephen Fishers 'prediction' in the FT, ive crunched some numbers.

    Even if every ward won by Labour and the Tories in this prediction were in London AND every net gain by the Greens and LDs were in London, Reform would still win most wards in London and every single net gain outside would be Reform and neither Labour nor the Tories would win a single ward.
    So for every ward won outside London by Lab or Con and every net gain by Green or LDm Reform have to win by even more in London to counter it .

    Tl:dr its almost impossible to make his prediction remotely plausible. He might as well have got crayola crayons out and drawn a picture of a unicorn
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,903
    Trump live with his cabinet is just unbelievable and actually quite frightening

    What have we done to deserve this malign narcissist President and his cohort of equally bad colleagues

    I fear he will have destroyed alliances and economies in the west beyond Putin's wildest dreams, and once broken may never be repaired

    This crisis will test every government and not many will avoid the electorate's anger, fairly or unfairly
  • People voted for Trump.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 592
    Thanks for the article Rochdale.

    Prices will go up, energy cost increases have a knock on effect on food and other basic commodities. Hitting the start of March with big increases in fuel and fertiliser is bad news for keeping costs down.

    However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine, and could be a slow burner over the summer.

    I expect Starmer to try and dig in after the May results, but if the £ in your pocket/online bank account isn't going as far there will be a lot of concerned Labour MPs. A volatile electorate gives them a lot to think about over the summer.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,568
    Just got shat on by a pigeon. How's your day going?

    On topic: not sure this will drive voters back to the tories. Labour, maybe.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,738
    I don't want to ditch the mainstream for populism (which doesn't so much recognise problems as exploit them) so I hope Rochdale is right about the political impact of a big prolonged dose of Trumpflation. Not sure he is though. Don't those pesky voters tend to blame incumbents for falling living standards 'on their watch'? Isn't this what happened post Putin invasion? Giving us the villain in chief himself ironically. Trump2 is probably avoided with Americans able to answer a clear yes to the totemic "do you feel better off than you were four years ago?" question in 2024.
  • I am struggling to understand how a critical mass of MPs unseats Starmer in May.

    I just cannot see it. They’ll brief anonymously and angrily and he’ll reshuffle the cabinet.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,868
    DoctorG said:

    Thanks for the article Rochdale.

    Prices will go up, energy cost increases have a knock on effect on food and other basic commodities. Hitting the start of March with big increases in fuel and fertiliser is bad news for keeping costs down.

    However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine, and could be a slow burner over the summer.

    I expect Starmer to try and dig in after the May results, but if the £ in your pocket/online bank account isn't going as far there will be a lot of concerned Labour MPs. A volatile electorate gives them a lot to think about over the summer.

    “However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine”

    It will be worse
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,390
    Battlebus said:

    Trump's off on one again this afternoon. When will Starmer do they decent thing and let the KIng off the hook regarding the US visit.

    Starmer wouldn't fucking dare. Chaz is going to have to go and kiss arse.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 592

    DoctorG said:

    Thanks for the article Rochdale.

    Prices will go up, energy cost increases have a knock on effect on food and other basic commodities. Hitting the start of March with big increases in fuel and fertiliser is bad news for keeping costs down.

    However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine, and could be a slow burner over the summer.

    I expect Starmer to try and dig in after the May results, but if the £ in your pocket/online bank account isn't going as far there will be a lot of concerned Labour MPs. A volatile electorate gives them a lot to think about over the summer.

    “However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine”

    It will be worse
    Oh dear

    Ah well, summers not far away.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,903

    I am struggling to understand how a critical mass of MPs unseats Starmer in May.

    I just cannot see it. They’ll brief anonymously and angrily and he’ll reshuffle the cabinet.

    I cannot see Starmer being ousted, though in reshuffling his cabinet he needs to be careful not to provoke a contest
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,735
    tlg86 said:

    Cookie said:

    Interesting article Rochdale, but you can't have it both ways. It can't be bad that Ref/Green will fall away AND bad that Lab/Con will remain, surely?

    You can if you're a Lib Dem!
    @RochdalePioneers is a convert to Badenochism, I gather.

    Swimming against the tide!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,909
    Disagree strongly with the thread header. It doesn't matter why the inflation has happened - the incumbents will be blamed for it. The only thing that helps Labour is that there is a bit longer until the next GE than there was in 2022. But it doesn't help much.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,912
    Reform obviously will make huge gains in May but for the first time they run defence on 73 seats. I'll be interested in how these go.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,785
    Dura_Ace said:

    Battlebus said:

    Trump's off on one again this afternoon. When will Starmer do they decent thing and let the KIng off the hook regarding the US visit.

    Starmer wouldn't fucking dare. Chaz is going to have to go and kiss arse.
    What about my second suggestion?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,338

    I am struggling to understand how a critical mass of MPs unseats Starmer in May.

    I just cannot see it. They’ll brief anonymously and angrily and he’ll reshuffle the cabinet.

    I cannot see Starmer being ousted, though in reshuffling his cabinet he needs to be careful not to provoke a contest
    He needs to be replaced by someone who can think on their feet. No more umming are erring candidates need apply. That means an exclusion for Milliband, Healey, Reeves and Powell for starters.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,868
    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Thanks for the article Rochdale.

    Prices will go up, energy cost increases have a knock on effect on food and other basic commodities. Hitting the start of March with big increases in fuel and fertiliser is bad news for keeping costs down.

    However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine, and could be a slow burner over the summer.

    I expect Starmer to try and dig in after the May results, but if the £ in your pocket/online bank account isn't going as far there will be a lot of concerned Labour MPs. A volatile electorate gives them a lot to think about over the summer.

    “However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine”

    It will be worse
    Oh dear

    Ah well, summers not far away.
    Ukraine was a bit of glitch in global supply. That was rapidly made up by increased production elsewhere.

    Wasn’t that fun, though?

    This is fucking up, for a serious amount of time, a major (and not easily replaceable) percentage of global supply of oil and gas.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,903

    I think it's wrong to assume that the Treasury/Tories/Labour/the elite/the deep state/the blob/ the establishment, or whatever you want to call the people who run the country, are unaware of the country's problems. It is simply that they don't know what to do about them. They certainly don't know what to do about them and get elected or reelected on that platform. There are no easy solutions, and anybody who pretends there is is lying. And will probably make things worse.

    Nail on head
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,746
    Off topic, but I see in a previous thread, that rcs1000 has, like Dr. Foxy, attacked the quality of American food.

    Two thoughts: The success of, for example, McDonald's in other nations and, for example, KFC in Japan(!) suggests that the two may be in a minority.

    Second, anyone who has read Calvin Trillin will know that many of our favorite food choices are tied to pleasant experiences when we were growing up. (There's a good discussion of that in the first chapter of American Fried. )

    And that there is much good food to be found in the US if you stop looking for imitation French cuisine:
    https://www.amazon.com/Tummy-Trilogy-American-Fried-Helpings/dp/0374524173/ref=sr_1_2?crid=8MZ1M3WRLDB4&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.GU7hSjG2nir-AGbavebZHpBF-S5GVf3MKm1ZX_9iewYM-UxkhGHelGU5lTOyr0WZV-oyYuBxK8xaBg8YOZsSWyPu9r4wTUoSG15TluPC3rTqx293YxtIc7XSu0BAPb-rc4DA4XsgPz-ugI1QWU-u9rLxF2T8t56DsUast2rxIlF42m7ohErgqKAjvrpzjqEUgYmJYIdGqiXGLbBhSD8CF9CxqnQfETxe-2K4wqP78Uk.e_HBIa6xwE8xKejuFcpIdD5N211h-sweg97gt21ZzG0&dib_tag=se&keywords=American+Fried&qid=1774540460&s=books&sprefix=american+fried,stripbooks,182&sr=1-2
    In the 1970s, Calvin Trillin informed America that its most glorious food was not to be found at the pretentious restaurants he referred to generically as La Maison de la Casa House, Continental Cuisine. With three hilarious books over the next two decades―American Fried; Alice, Let's Eat; and Third Helpings―he established himself as, in Craig Claiborne's phrase, "the Walt Whitman of American eats." Trillin's three comic masterpieces are now available in what Trillin calls The Tummy Trilogy.
    I haven't read the third, but can tell you that the first two are funny -- and informative.

    For example, I appreciate his suggestion on how to best cook corn on the cob: First, bring the water to a boil, and then send the fastest boy to the field to harvest the ears
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,402

    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Thanks for the article Rochdale.

    Prices will go up, energy cost increases have a knock on effect on food and other basic commodities. Hitting the start of March with big increases in fuel and fertiliser is bad news for keeping costs down.

    However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine, and could be a slow burner over the summer.

    I expect Starmer to try and dig in after the May results, but if the £ in your pocket/online bank account isn't going as far there will be a lot of concerned Labour MPs. A volatile electorate gives them a lot to think about over the summer.

    “However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine”

    It will be worse
    Oh dear

    Ah well, summers not far away.
    Ukraine was a bit of glitch in global supply. That was rapidly made up by increased production elsewhere.

    Wasn’t that fun, though?

    This is fucking up, for a serious amount of time, a major (and not easily replaceable) percentage of global supply of oil and gas.
    How does it compare to "big boat stuck" which blocked the Suez canal?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,460
    https://x.com/zelenskyyua/status/2037185834999337358

    Arrived in Saudi Arabia. Important meetings are scheduled. We appreciate the support and support those who are ready to work with us to ensure security.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,390
    Battlebus said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Battlebus said:

    Trump's off on one again this afternoon. When will Starmer do they decent thing and let the KIng off the hook regarding the US visit.

    Starmer wouldn't fucking dare. Chaz is going to have to go and kiss arse.
    What about my second suggestion?
    A republic is fine with me, although we need one of the important dominions like Aus or NZ to do it first before the notion will really take off in the UK. Nobody really cares what the Caribbean lot do.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,852
    When I referred to Polanski-ism and "elites", he's always referring to the big corporates and the system. This isn't that. Trump and Netanyahu are acting against the interest of those elites.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 592

    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Thanks for the article Rochdale.

    Prices will go up, energy cost increases have a knock on effect on food and other basic commodities. Hitting the start of March with big increases in fuel and fertiliser is bad news for keeping costs down.

    However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine, and could be a slow burner over the summer.

    I expect Starmer to try and dig in after the May results, but if the £ in your pocket/online bank account isn't going as far there will be a lot of concerned Labour MPs. A volatile electorate gives them a lot to think about over the summer.

    “However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine”

    It will be worse
    Oh dear

    Ah well, summers not far away.
    Ukraine was a bit of glitch in global supply. That was rapidly made up by increased production elsewhere.

    Wasn’t that fun, though?

    This is fucking up, for a serious amount of time, a major (and not easily replaceable) percentage of global supply of oil and gas.
    Yes, remember it well. My long term concern was Iran holding to ransom the supply lines coming out of Hormuz... but it appears from what has been said, that infrastructure has taken a big hit.

    Some comodities during the 2022 war had a major shock (fertiliser) then recovered, other things (raw building materials) took a massive hike and haven't dropped back to what they were.

    It'll be fun when the public realise prices won't be coming back down soon.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,717
    edited 4:26PM
    Dura_Ace said:

    Battlebus said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Battlebus said:

    Trump's off on one again this afternoon. When will Starmer do they decent thing and let the KIng off the hook regarding the US visit.

    Starmer wouldn't fucking dare. Chaz is going to have to go and kiss arse.
    What about my second suggestion?
    A republic is fine with me, although we need one of the important dominions like Aus or NZ to do it first before the notion will really take off in the UK. Nobody really cares what the Caribbean lot do.

    When I referred to Polanski-ism and "elites", he's always referring to the big corporates and the system. This isn't that. Trump and Netanyahu are acting against the interest of those elites.

    A distinction without a difference.
    The GOP is bankrolled by them.
    And it's Trump incompetence rather than intention which has kiboshed the economy.
    His intention was to make big corporates richer at the expense of poor nations.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,775

    dixiedean said:

    "the prices crisis isn’t caused by elites"?
    How would you describe Trump, the GOP, and his billionaire funders, enablers and sycophants then?
    And the fact that it's a War being driven by fundamentalists of the three Abrahamic religions.
    Are they not an elite?

    I thought the same thing.
    ‘Twas ever thus

    Peronism, for example. Which Trumpism resembles to quite a degree.
    A political movement based on drinking Peroni.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,868

    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Thanks for the article Rochdale.

    Prices will go up, energy cost increases have a knock on effect on food and other basic commodities. Hitting the start of March with big increases in fuel and fertiliser is bad news for keeping costs down.

    However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine, and could be a slow burner over the summer.

    I expect Starmer to try and dig in after the May results, but if the £ in your pocket/online bank account isn't going as far there will be a lot of concerned Labour MPs. A volatile electorate gives them a lot to think about over the summer.

    “However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine”

    It will be worse
    Oh dear

    Ah well, summers not far away.
    Ukraine was a bit of glitch in global supply. That was rapidly made up by increased production elsewhere.

    Wasn’t that fun, though?

    This is fucking up, for a serious amount of time, a major (and not easily replaceable) percentage of global supply of oil and gas.
    How does it compare to "big boat stuck" which blocked the Suez canal?
    That was another small glitch in comparison to what we have at the moment.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,243

    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Thanks for the article Rochdale.

    Prices will go up, energy cost increases have a knock on effect on food and other basic commodities. Hitting the start of March with big increases in fuel and fertiliser is bad news for keeping costs down.

    However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine, and could be a slow burner over the summer.

    I expect Starmer to try and dig in after the May results, but if the £ in your pocket/online bank account isn't going as far there will be a lot of concerned Labour MPs. A volatile electorate gives them a lot to think about over the summer.

    “However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine”

    It will be worse
    Oh dear

    Ah well, summers not far away.
    Ukraine was a bit of glitch in global supply. That was rapidly made up by increased production elsewhere.

    Wasn’t that fun, though?

    This is fucking up, for a serious amount of time, a major (and not easily replaceable) percentage of global supply of oil and gas.
    People don't realise one fifth of the world's oil and gas products have suddenly been removed. Collectively we will have to do without travel, heating, fertiliser, and in some cases food. It isn't mainly about prices at the fuel pumps.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,305

    I think it's wrong to assume that the Treasury/Tories/Labour/the elite/the deep state/the blob/ the establishment, or whatever you want to call the people who run the country, are unaware of the country's problems. It is simply that they don't know what to do about them. They certainly don't know what to do about them and get elected or reelected on that platform. There are no easy solutions, and anybody who pretends there is is lying. And will probably make things worse.

    Its not just that they don't know, but for some of them, they don't care.

    Take housing. There has been a critical shortage of housing for years, seeing prices sky rocket.

    However objecting to new construction and cashing in on shortages by seeing assets go up in value means that some people make a quick buck off the suffering of others.

    Its grimly amusing to see people who love to see inflation in housing costs bemoan inflation in gas or something else they need to pay.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,243
    GIN1138 said:

    FF43 said:

    .

    GIN1138 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Badenoch going hard on North Sea oil. A good idea but yet again going on energy bills when the issue is TAX REVENUE

    TAX REVENUE that can be used to offset energy bills though.
    Would that be the North Sea Oil of poor quality that her Government subsidised at huge cost.

    The same North Sea Oil that's got to be sold on the global market.

    Or is she planning a sneaky straw to suck it ashore in a glorified sucknit yourself scheme.

    She has the IQ of a newt
    Another load of bollocks from you. North Sea oil from the UK and Norway is some of the highest quality and most valuable in the world. One of the reasons many of us have been saying for many years that it is too good to be burning.
    It's quite amusing how PB oil experts crop up to troll you into putting them straight, every so often.
    https://xkcd.com/386 applies here, I think.
    You’d think that even the experts would notice that one of the key prices for oil is “Brent crude”
    Kemi gets it

    https://x.com/i/status/2037160209626411229
    That's actually quite good from CON - Unfortunately Mrs May making Net Zero a legally binding commitment by 2050 is still fresh in everyones memories, however...
    To be fair to the previous Conservative government, we would be in a worse place now if they HADN'T committed to Net Zero and started the journey away from the fossil fuels that are currently blocked in the Gulf.
    I'm sure your're right. But politically it's a hard sell for CON
    Only because Kemi Badenoch is doing the selling. If the Conservatives were still the Sensible Party instead of a poor quality Reform tribute act, the leader would have no problem selling the merits of not being held hostage by random unfriendly foreign actors.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,414
    So according to Trump the big present from the Iranians was to allow more ships to pass through the Strait of Hormuz!

    Trump needs to be sectioned !
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,661

    I'm not sure the idea that the more prices shoot up and there's shortages and so on that this means people will cling to the status quo.

    Russian revolution started with protests over price of bread iirc.

    Agreed.

    When times are bad, people want change.

    There's an absolutely brilliant book called Global Crisis, by Geoffrey Parker, and he tracks how the little ice age of the 17th Century kicked off food price rises, which in turn kicked off revolutions and civil wars. When times are bad, people think they have nothing to lose.

    Of couse, usually that makes things worse, but that's another story!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,352

    Reform obviously will make huge gains in May but for the first time they run defence on 73 seats. I'll be interested in how these go.

    I note you were as sceptical of the Fisher predictions as was I last evening.

    They'll be plenty of time to talk more about London predictions over the next six weeks - I could see 400-600 Labour losses in London, mainly to the Greens, Independents and Conservatives. That might not move too many councils as Labour are well entrenched - in six of the Boroughs they currently run, they could lose 20 seats and still keep control and in many of the others, a loss of 20 seats would still leave Labour the largest party.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,880
    nico67 said:

    So according to Trump the big present from the Iranians was to allow more ships to pass through the Strait of Hormuz!

    Trump needs to be sectioned !

    More ships transferring oil for China?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,735

    Off topic, but I see in a previous thread, that rcs1000 has, like Dr. Foxy, attacked the quality of American food.

    Two thoughts: The success of, for example, McDonald's in other nations and, for example, KFC in Japan(!) suggests that the two may be in a minority.

    Second, anyone who has read Calvin Trillin will know that many of our favorite food choices are tied to pleasant experiences when we were growing up. (There's a good discussion of that in the first chapter of American Fried. )

    And that there is much good food to be found in the US if you stop looking for imitation French cuisine:
    https://www.amazon.com/Tummy-Trilogy-American-Fried-Helpings/dp/0374524173/ref=sr_1_2?crid=8MZ1M3WRLDB4&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.GU7hSjG2nir-AGbavebZHpBF-S5GVf3MKm1ZX_9iewYM-UxkhGHelGU5lTOyr0WZV-oyYuBxK8xaBg8YOZsSWyPu9r4wTUoSG15TluPC3rTqx293YxtIc7XSu0BAPb-rc4DA4XsgPz-ugI1QWU-u9rLxF2T8t56DsUast2rxIlF42m7ohErgqKAjvrpzjqEUgYmJYIdGqiXGLbBhSD8CF9CxqnQfETxe-2K4wqP78Uk.e_HBIa6xwE8xKejuFcpIdD5N211h-sweg97gt21ZzG0&dib_tag=se&keywords=American+Fried&qid=1774540460&s=books&sprefix=american+fried,stripbooks,182&sr=1-2

    In the 1970s, Calvin Trillin informed America that its most glorious food was not to be found at the pretentious restaurants he referred to generically as La Maison de la Casa House, Continental Cuisine. With three hilarious books over the next two decades―American Fried; Alice, Let's Eat; and Third Helpings―he established himself as, in Craig Claiborne's phrase, "the Walt Whitman of American eats." Trillin's three comic masterpieces are now available in what Trillin calls The Tummy Trilogy.
    I haven't read the third, but can tell you that the first two are funny -- and informative.

    For example, I appreciate his suggestion on how to best cook corn on the cob: First, bring the water to a boil, and then send the fastest boy to the field to harvest the ears


    I do not think that I have commented on American food recently, not least because I have only been there for a week in the last decade. I ate well while in Utah, and indulged my guilty pleasure of chicken fried steak with white gravy, mash and biscuits, something that I always look out for when visiting as it is a trip down memory lane to my youth in Atlanta, as are corndogs, though less luck with that

    @rcs1000 lives in California, so may well be a better judge.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,880

    Trump live with his cabinet is just unbelievable and actually quite frightening

    What have we done to deserve this malign narcissist President and his cohort of equally bad colleagues

    I fear he will have destroyed alliances and economies in the west beyond Putin's wildest dreams, and once broken may never be repaired

    This crisis will test every government and not many will avoid the electorate's anger, fairly or unfairly

    Trump: "I don't want a person with mental disability to be my president."
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,717
    Oh YouGov, can't you get anything right?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwjxx5eyn1o

    Church attendance report pulled after YouGov finds 'fraudulent' responses

    A report claiming the number of young people attending church in England and Wales had skyrocketed has been retracted, after the underlying data was found to be flawed.

    The Bible Society's "Quiet Revival" report had been widely reported on since its publication last year and became an accepted part of discourse among many Christians.

    Now YouGov, which carried out the research, has told the Bible Society that an internal review of the data found that some of the respondents who completed its survey were "fraudulent".

    It has said that quality control measures, which usually remove such responses, were not applied due to human error.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,735

    dixiedean said:

    "the prices crisis isn’t caused by elites"?
    How would you describe Trump, the GOP, and his billionaire funders, enablers and sycophants then?
    And the fact that it's a War being driven by fundamentalists of the three Abrahamic religions.
    Are they not an elite?

    I thought the same thing.
    ‘Twas ever thus

    Peronism, for example. Which Trumpism resembles to quite a degree.
    A political movement based on drinking Peroni.
    I understand that tendency, budweiser heads take a different perspective.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,352
    Afternoon all :)

    I see Badenoch has once again visited the Magic Money Tree. "Help with Energy Bills" - well, yes, but what kind of help and from where? Is she going to compel energy companies to reduce prices? Is there going to be Government money to help with bills, if so, how much and from where is the shortfall to be met?

    As for drilling in the North Sea, I yield willingly to the knowledge of @Richard_Tyndall and others on the subject. I presume even if we started tomorrow, any new North Sea oil wouldn't be piped ashore for some weeks or months or years? I presume we'd need refinery capacity for example.

    To be fair, "Fuel Britannia" is quite catchy albeit meaningless.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,735
    CatMan said:

    Oh YouGov, can't you get anything right?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwjxx5eyn1o

    Church attendance report pulled after YouGov finds 'fraudulent' responses

    A report claiming the number of young people attending church in England and Wales had skyrocketed has been retracted, after the underlying data was found to be flawed.

    The Bible Society's "Quiet Revival" report had been widely reported on since its publication last year and became an accepted part of discourse among many Christians.

    Now YouGov, which carried out the research, has told the Bible Society that an internal review of the data found that some of the respondents who completed its survey were "fraudulent".

    It has said that quality control measures, which usually remove such responses, were not applied due to human error.

    It never rang true as anyone who goes to church on Sunday, or even passes by on the way to the pub can see that there are not hordes of youngsters going.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,069
    All those speaking about Stephen Fisher. I've bumped into him once or twice, and he has a very tidy haircut. He's been doing predictions for years and he counts amongst the blessed because he doesn't delete his predictions afterwards. His blog, which includes his latest prediction, can be found here: https://electionsetc.com/
  • FF43 said:

    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Thanks for the article Rochdale.

    Prices will go up, energy cost increases have a knock on effect on food and other basic commodities. Hitting the start of March with big increases in fuel and fertiliser is bad news for keeping costs down.

    However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine, and could be a slow burner over the summer.

    I expect Starmer to try and dig in after the May results, but if the £ in your pocket/online bank account isn't going as far there will be a lot of concerned Labour MPs. A volatile electorate gives them a lot to think about over the summer.

    “However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine”

    It will be worse
    Oh dear

    Ah well, summers not far away.
    Ukraine was a bit of glitch in global supply. That was rapidly made up by increased production elsewhere.

    Wasn’t that fun, though?

    This is fucking up, for a serious amount of time, a major (and not easily replaceable) percentage of global supply of oil and gas.
    People don't realise one fifth of the world's oil and gas products have suddenly been removed. Collectively we will have to do without travel, heating, fertiliser, and in some cases food. It isn't mainly about prices at the fuel pumps.
    Indeed. Another area that will be affected is pharmaceuticals. There are already shortages of multiple medications, this will make the situation far worse.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,688
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    I see Badenoch has once again visited the Magic Money Tree. "Help with Energy Bills" - well, yes, but what kind of help and from where? Is she going to compel energy companies to reduce prices? Is there going to be Government money to help with bills, if so, how much and from where is the shortfall to be met?

    As for drilling in the North Sea, I yield willingly to the knowledge of @Richard_Tyndall and others on the subject. I presume even if we started tomorrow, any new North Sea oil wouldn't be piped ashore for some weeks or months or years? I presume we'd need refinery capacity for example.

    To be fair, "Fuel Britannia" is quite catchy albeit meaningless.

    It's utter crap.

    It would take many months.

    It may get more tax receipts but would be sold at global prices at a loss.

    Fuel Britannia lorry with a conservative logo when the pump price is £2 is a real vote winner?

    Cue "Clueless Kemi robbin us" stickers

    She's clueless

    Vast majority of under 30s and majority of under 50s very pro renewables

    Like with her rush to war, her rush to oil is the polar opposite of visionary or progressive.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,661

    DoctorG said:

    Thanks for the article Rochdale.

    Prices will go up, energy cost increases have a knock on effect on food and other basic commodities. Hitting the start of March with big increases in fuel and fertiliser is bad news for keeping costs down.

    However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine, and could be a slow burner over the summer.

    I expect Starmer to try and dig in after the May results, but if the £ in your pocket/online bank account isn't going as far there will be a lot of concerned Labour MPs. A volatile electorate gives them a lot to think about over the summer.

    “However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine”

    It will be worse
    For natural gas, the numbers are essentially the same - a little bit more than 100bcm of gas per year coming out of the world market. However, in the case of Russia, some of that gas was exported in other ways, so the impact on world markets was less severe than will be the case in the Gulf. (And -of course- the closure of the Straits is about oil and gas.)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,912
    stodge said:

    Reform obviously will make huge gains in May but for the first time they run defence on 73 seats. I'll be interested in how these go.

    I note you were as sceptical of the Fisher predictions as was I last evening.

    They'll be plenty of time to talk more about London predictions over the next six weeks - I could see 400-600 Labour losses in London, mainly to the Greens, Independents and Conservatives. That might not move too many councils as Labour are well entrenched - in six of the Boroughs they currently run, they could lose 20 seats and still keep control and in many of the others, a loss of 20 seats would still leave Labour the largest party.
    I cant even make Fishers preduction work using smoke and mirrors.
    I suspect both Lab and Con will more than double Fishers seat totals in London alone
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,352
    On topic.

    First, thank you to @RochdalePioneers for the contribution and with most of which it's hard to argue.

    Will the oil shock of 2026 be comparable to 1973-74 when, if memory serves, OPEC quadrupled oil prices without losing a single customer and the West endured a recession which arguably put the final nail in the coffin of Butskellism, led to the over reach of Trade Union power and the coming of monetarism under Thatcher and the subsequent re-ordering of Britain, for good or ill?

    The search for the "next big idea" continues. The centre-left has had no economic answers since 2008 and the centre-right has seen "austerity" tried and failed in the face of significant demographic, social, technological and cultural changes which mean 20th century solutions no longer work for 21st century problems.

    Re-hashed Lafferism continues to be chirped from the sidelines but it's long on generalities and short on specifics - whose benefits will be sacrificed to ensure the wealthy pay less tax in the name of economic growth?

    I'm a believer, as I thought you were, in Land Value Taxation whose time has surely come.

    Of the three so-called radical Governments of the 20th century, two significantly expanded the power of the State and while the third claimed not to economically, it was significantly centralising in other areas. My view has long been we need to redefine the relationship between Government and governed or State and citizen if you prefer. That's no easy or simple task but starts from the premise many feel aspects of both public AND private no longer work in their interests.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,661
    CatMan said:

    Oh YouGov, can't you get anything right?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwjxx5eyn1o

    Church attendance report pulled after YouGov finds 'fraudulent' responses

    A report claiming the number of young people attending church in England and Wales had skyrocketed has been retracted, after the underlying data was found to be flawed.

    The Bible Society's "Quiet Revival" report had been widely reported on since its publication last year and became an accepted part of discourse among many Christians.

    Now YouGov, which carried out the research, has told the Bible Society that an internal review of the data found that some of the respondents who completed its survey were "fraudulent".

    It has said that quality control measures, which usually remove such responses, were not applied due to human error.

    I would point out that a number of (Church going) PBers called out their scepticism about the report when it came out.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,460
    https://x.com/clashreport/status/2037193816143212792

    Trump:

    I heard the head of Germany say, “This is not our war” for Iran.

    I said, well, Ukraine is not our war—we helped.

    I thought it was a very inappropriate statement to make, but he made it, and he can’t erase it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,880


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Lord Mandelson has not been asked to hand over WhatsApp messages or texts from his personal phone amid mounting concern about the limited nature of the government’s disclosures

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2037210961975578759
  • eekeek Posts: 33,038
    You know Trump has a habit of spending too much so the company goes bankrupt.

    Well the US is now Bankrupt as well in news that strangely didn't get reported very much..

    https://fortune.com/2026/03/23/us-government-insolvent-fiscal-crisis-fix/
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,688

    I am struggling to understand how a critical mass of MPs unseats Starmer in May.

    I just cannot see it. They’ll brief anonymously and angrily and he’ll reshuffle the cabinet.

    I cannot see Starmer being ousted, though in reshuffling his cabinet he needs to be careful not to provoke a contest
    He needs to be replaced by someone who can think on their feet. No more umming are erring candidates need apply. That means an exclusion for Milliband, Healey, Reeves and Powell for starters.
    He's safe until Nay 2027 in my opinion.

    His strength is his global standing.

    There is no one with his current gravitas on the global stage in any Party near him.

    The more Trump attacks and he doesn't bite but makes subtle digs the more his dire ratings improve.

    He is respected in Europe.

    With the exception of Trump and Netanyahu, the rest of the world would see Farage as a disaster and Badenoch as a Farage light gobshite. At least Farage can turn on a sort of charm when he needs to.

    I don't see anyone in Labour other than the hard laft or twats like Lewis being a stalking horse.

    The most likely replacements, Streeting, Jones, Rayner, Jones, Thornberry, Cooper all have good reason to bide their time for various reasons.

    It's a poison chalice with the Middle East in turmoil, Reform are in decline, the Tories are irrelevant, lDs stagnant. The Greens are where Labour need to pay most party political attention in the next year. Like Reform, they may suffer from the exposure and failure of having more Councillors.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,460
    rcs1000 said:

    DoctorG said:

    Thanks for the article Rochdale.

    Prices will go up, energy cost increases have a knock on effect on food and other basic commodities. Hitting the start of March with big increases in fuel and fertiliser is bad news for keeping costs down.

    However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine, and could be a slow burner over the summer.

    I expect Starmer to try and dig in after the May results, but if the £ in your pocket/online bank account isn't going as far there will be a lot of concerned Labour MPs. A volatile electorate gives them a lot to think about over the summer.

    “However, its not as big a shock as Ukraine”

    It will be worse
    For natural gas, the numbers are essentially the same - a little bit more than 100bcm of gas per year coming out of the world market. However, in the case of Russia, some of that gas was exported in other ways, so the impact on world markets was less severe than will be the case in the Gulf. (And -of course- the closure of the Straits is about oil and gas.)
    Attacks on Russia's ability to export seem to have been accelerating recently. The port at Ust-Luga has been burning for several days.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2037072004793217400
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,903
    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    I see Badenoch has once again visited the Magic Money Tree. "Help with Energy Bills" - well, yes, but what kind of help and from where? Is she going to compel energy companies to reduce prices? Is there going to be Government money to help with bills, if so, how much and from where is the shortfall to be met?

    As for drilling in the North Sea, I yield willingly to the knowledge of @Richard_Tyndall and others on the subject. I presume even if we started tomorrow, any new North Sea oil wouldn't be piped ashore for some weeks or months or years? I presume we'd need refinery capacity for example.

    To be fair, "Fuel Britannia" is quite catchy albeit meaningless.

    It's utter crap.

    It would take many months.

    It may get more tax receipts but would be sold at global prices at a loss.

    Fuel Britannia lorry with a conservative logo when the pump price is £2 is a real vote winner?

    Cue "Clueless Kemi robbin us" stickers

    She's clueless

    Vast majority of under 30s and majority of under 50s very pro renewables

    Like with her rush to war, her rush to oil is the polar opposite of visionary or progressive.

    You have already been rebuked by @Richard_Tyndall today on a subject he is an expert on

    We know you have a weird anti Kemi issue but you are not convincing anyone, even labour supporters
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,968

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/2037193816143212792

    Trump:

    I heard the head of Germany say, “This is not our war” for Iran.

    I said, well, Ukraine is not our war—we helped.

    I thought it was a very inappropriate statement to make, but he made it, and he can’t erase it.

    The way that a two hundred year old solid democracy can become completely run by the minute-by-minute whims of one man is a warning for us all in the West.
    Money talks.

    And the US political system has become completely money dominated.

    The Electoral Commission should dig hard into Farage's, and to a lesser extent the Tories, dealings, lest we go the same way.

    When I were a lad, as the saying goes, the Tories used to make great play with the fact/allegation that Labour was under the control of the Union bosses. Now very big business is playing the same role, and when it was the Unions, at least there was some semblance of member control.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,046

    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    I see Badenoch has once again visited the Magic Money Tree. "Help with Energy Bills" - well, yes, but what kind of help and from where? Is she going to compel energy companies to reduce prices? Is there going to be Government money to help with bills, if so, how much and from where is the shortfall to be met?

    As for drilling in the North Sea, I yield willingly to the knowledge of @Richard_Tyndall and others on the subject. I presume even if we started tomorrow, any new North Sea oil wouldn't be piped ashore for some weeks or months or years? I presume we'd need refinery capacity for example.

    To be fair, "Fuel Britannia" is quite catchy albeit meaningless.

    It's utter crap.

    It would take many months.

    It may get more tax receipts but would be sold at global prices at a loss.

    Fuel Britannia lorry with a conservative logo when the pump price is £2 is a real vote winner?

    Cue "Clueless Kemi robbin us" stickers

    She's clueless

    Vast majority of under 30s and majority of under 50s very pro renewables

    Like with her rush to war, her rush to oil is the polar opposite of visionary or progressive.

    You have already been rebuked by @Richard_Tyndall today on a subject he is an expert on

    We know you have a weird anti Kemi issue but you are not convincing anyone, even labour supporters
    Can you explain the Con policy?

    So far (and based to be fair only on the tweet you linked, but an official Con one, so should mean something) I haven't got a clue as the tweet text, Kemi and the tanker slogan all said different things.
  • JSpringJSpring Posts: 116
    "Afterwards? It’s Bad News for populists. The more that prices go up when it’s a global impact, the less interest people have in overthrowing the status quo. They want the chaos to stop, not get worse."

    Brexit, Trump and some parties on the European continent have successfully sold themselves as the 'safer' option at various points in the past decade. People generally don't like chaos, but what they view as chaos (or as more chaotic) doesn't necessarily chime in with conventional wisdom.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,903
    Selebian said:

    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    I see Badenoch has once again visited the Magic Money Tree. "Help with Energy Bills" - well, yes, but what kind of help and from where? Is she going to compel energy companies to reduce prices? Is there going to be Government money to help with bills, if so, how much and from where is the shortfall to be met?

    As for drilling in the North Sea, I yield willingly to the knowledge of @Richard_Tyndall and others on the subject. I presume even if we started tomorrow, any new North Sea oil wouldn't be piped ashore for some weeks or months or years? I presume we'd need refinery capacity for example.

    To be fair, "Fuel Britannia" is quite catchy albeit meaningless.

    It's utter crap.

    It would take many months.

    It may get more tax receipts but would be sold at global prices at a loss.

    Fuel Britannia lorry with a conservative logo when the pump price is £2 is a real vote winner?

    Cue "Clueless Kemi robbin us" stickers

    She's clueless

    Vast majority of under 30s and majority of under 50s very pro renewables

    Like with her rush to war, her rush to oil is the polar opposite of visionary or progressive.

    You have already been rebuked by @Richard_Tyndall today on a subject he is an expert on

    We know you have a weird anti Kemi issue but you are not convincing anyone, even labour supporters
    Can you explain the Con policy?

    So far (and based to be fair only on the tweet you linked, but an official Con one, so should mean something) I haven't got a clue as the tweet text, Kemi and the tanker slogan all said different things.
    Effectively drill oil and gas and take the tax over the next 20 years to invest in renewables and reduce bills
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,313
    eek said:

    You know Trump has a habit of spending too much so the company goes bankrupt.

    Well the US is now Bankrupt as well in news that strangely didn't get reported very much..

    https://fortune.com/2026/03/23/us-government-insolvent-fiscal-crisis-fix/

    As shit as Trump is this didn’t Just come out of nowhere and happen post his win in 2024
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,578
    Selebian said:

    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    I see Badenoch has once again visited the Magic Money Tree. "Help with Energy Bills" - well, yes, but what kind of help and from where? Is she going to compel energy companies to reduce prices? Is there going to be Government money to help with bills, if so, how much and from where is the shortfall to be met?

    As for drilling in the North Sea, I yield willingly to the knowledge of @Richard_Tyndall and others on the subject. I presume even if we started tomorrow, any new North Sea oil wouldn't be piped ashore for some weeks or months or years? I presume we'd need refinery capacity for example.

    To be fair, "Fuel Britannia" is quite catchy albeit meaningless.

    It's utter crap.

    It would take many months.

    It may get more tax receipts but would be sold at global prices at a loss.

    Fuel Britannia lorry with a conservative logo when the pump price is £2 is a real vote winner?

    Cue "Clueless Kemi robbin us" stickers

    She's clueless

    Vast majority of under 30s and majority of under 50s very pro renewables

    Like with her rush to war, her rush to oil is the polar opposite of visionary or progressive.

    You have already been rebuked by @Richard_Tyndall today on a subject he is an expert on

    We know you have a weird anti Kemi issue but you are not convincing anyone, even labour supporters
    Can you explain the Con policy?

    So far (and based to be fair only on the tweet you linked, but an official Con one, so should mean something) I haven't got a clue as the tweet text, Kemi and the tanker slogan all said different things.
    New O&G is several years from drilling to production, even if it's subsea facilities tied back to existing facilities.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,747
    edited 5:30PM
    I’m on a bus going through Manningford Bruce, just South of Pewsey. I’m heading to my mate’s place for a brew day tomorrow

    The views aren’t bad


  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,912



    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Lord Mandelson has not been asked to hand over WhatsApp messages or texts from his personal phone amid mounting concern about the limited nature of the government’s disclosures

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2037210961975578759

    His personal phone was not allowed to be used for government business.

    From the policy

    Users
    4.4 BYOD shall not be used for anyone in scope of the Government Security Group (GSG) VIP Mobile Phones Policy. This means Cabinet ministers, permanent secretaries, junior ministers, senior officials, Private Offices and individuals in other critical roles deemed to be higher risk at the organisation’s discretion (for example, special advisers and those working in National Security roles).
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,305

    Trump live with his cabinet is just unbelievable and actually quite frightening

    What have we done to deserve this malign narcissist President and his cohort of equally bad colleagues

    I fear he will have destroyed alliances and economies in the west beyond Putin's wildest dreams, and once broken may never be repaired

    This crisis will test every government and not many will avoid the electorate's anger, fairly or unfairly

    Trump: "I don't want a person with mental disability to be my president."
    Too bad America replaced Sleepy Joe with Dementia Don then.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,661
    I've mentioned this before, but almost 20 years ago, I wrote an article for The Oil Drum about The Economics of Oil.

    http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

    It's worth reading. More amusing yet is some of the hysterical comments underneath the article.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,944

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/2037193816143212792

    Trump:

    I heard the head of Germany say, “This is not our war” for Iran.

    I said, well, Ukraine is not our war—we helped.

    I thought it was a very inappropriate statement to make, but he made it, and he can’t erase it.

    That would be a fair point.

    Except for the fact Trump has opposed and stopped support for Ukraine.

    And the fact Trump has belittled and insulted allies, and mocked their dead.

    And threatened to invade a NATO member.

    But apart from that, good point.
    And that Trump started this war. A war of choice. Zelenskyy didn’t start the Ukraine invasion (unless Trump is reading some of those Telegram channels).
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,451



    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Lord Mandelson has not been asked to hand over WhatsApp messages or texts from his personal phone amid mounting concern about the limited nature of the government’s disclosures

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2037210961975578759

    His personal phone was not allowed to be used for government business.

    From the policy

    Users
    4.4 BYOD shall not be used for anyone in scope of the Government Security Group (GSG) VIP Mobile Phones Policy. This means Cabinet ministers, permanent secretaries, junior ministers, senior officials, Private Offices and individuals in other critical roles deemed to be higher risk at the organisation’s discretion (for example, special advisers and those working in National Security roles).
    Mandy is noted for following rules?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,868



    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Lord Mandelson has not been asked to hand over WhatsApp messages or texts from his personal phone amid mounting concern about the limited nature of the government’s disclosures

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2037210961975578759

    His personal phone was not allowed to be used for government business.

    From the policy

    Users
    4.4 BYOD shall not be used for anyone in scope of the Government Security Group (GSG) VIP Mobile Phones Policy. This means Cabinet ministers, permanent secretaries, junior ministers, senior officials, Private Offices and individuals in other critical roles deemed to be higher risk at the organisation’s discretion (for example, special advisers and those working in National Security roles).



    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Lord Mandelson has not been asked to hand over WhatsApp messages or texts from his personal phone amid mounting concern about the limited nature of the government’s disclosures

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2037210961975578759

    His personal phone was not allowed to be used for government business.

    From the policy

    Users
    4.4 BYOD shall not be used for anyone in scope of the Government Security Group (GSG) VIP Mobile Phones Policy. This means Cabinet ministers, permanent secretaries, junior ministers, senior officials, Private Offices and individuals in other critical roles deemed to be higher risk at the organisation’s discretion (for example, special advisers and those working in National Security roles).
    Thankfully, Mandelbrot is famous for his extract and punctilious behaviour with regard to rules.

    Especially confidential government communications.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,460
    https://x.com/DefenceU/status/2037217143184388133

    💥 Dismantling the system, node by node.

    Operators from @1usc_army, alongside the broader Defense Forces, struck the Kirishi Oil Refinery (KINEF) — a core link feeding Ust-Luga and Primorsk export ports.

    From crude to processing to shipment, the chain is being systematically degraded. Less production, unstable exports, shrinking cash flow for war.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,912
    edited 5:41PM



    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Lord Mandelson has not been asked to hand over WhatsApp messages or texts from his personal phone amid mounting concern about the limited nature of the government’s disclosures

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2037210961975578759

    His personal phone was not allowed to be used for government business.

    From the policy

    Users
    4.4 BYOD shall not be used for anyone in scope of the Government Security Group (GSG) VIP Mobile Phones Policy. This means Cabinet ministers, permanent secretaries, junior ministers, senior officials, Private Offices and individuals in other critical roles deemed to be higher risk at the organisation’s discretion (for example, special advisers and those working in National Security roles).
    Mandy is noted for following rules?
    Well no, but thats why his personal phone has not been requested, officially it was not part of any communucations covered by the humble address
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,069



    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Lord Mandelson has not been asked to hand over WhatsApp messages or texts from his personal phone amid mounting concern about the limited nature of the government’s disclosures

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2037210961975578759

    Be fair. He hasn't had a chance to lose his phone yet. And forget his passwords. He's a busy man.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,912



    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Lord Mandelson has not been asked to hand over WhatsApp messages or texts from his personal phone amid mounting concern about the limited nature of the government’s disclosures

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2037210961975578759

    His personal phone was not allowed to be used for government business.

    From the policy

    Users
    4.4 BYOD shall not be used for anyone in scope of the Government Security Group (GSG) VIP Mobile Phones Policy. This means Cabinet ministers, permanent secretaries, junior ministers, senior officials, Private Offices and individuals in other critical roles deemed to be higher risk at the organisation’s discretion (for example, special advisers and those working in National Security roles).
    Mandy is noted for following rules?
    Well no, but thats why his personal phone has not been requested, officially it was not part of any communucations covered by the humble address
    Should official phones and whats apps show communication from such a phone however bith Mandy and the receiver/sender are in deep shit
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,451



    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Lord Mandelson has not been asked to hand over WhatsApp messages or texts from his personal phone amid mounting concern about the limited nature of the government’s disclosures

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2037210961975578759

    His personal phone was not allowed to be used for government business.

    From the policy

    Users
    4.4 BYOD shall not be used for anyone in scope of the Government Security Group (GSG) VIP Mobile Phones Policy. This means Cabinet ministers, permanent secretaries, junior ministers, senior officials, Private Offices and individuals in other critical roles deemed to be higher risk at the organisation’s discretion (for example, special advisers and those working in National Security roles).
    Mandy is noted for following rules?
    Well no, but thats why his personal phone has not been requested, officially it was not part of any communucations covered by the humble address
    "officially"
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,912
    edited 5:48PM



    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Lord Mandelson has not been asked to hand over WhatsApp messages or texts from his personal phone amid mounting concern about the limited nature of the government’s disclosures

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2037210961975578759

    His personal phone was not allowed to be used for government business.

    From the policy

    Users
    4.4 BYOD shall not be used for anyone in scope of the Government Security Group (GSG) VIP Mobile Phones Policy. This means Cabinet ministers, permanent secretaries, junior ministers, senior officials, Private Offices and individuals in other critical roles deemed to be higher risk at the organisation’s discretion (for example, special advisers and those working in National Security roles).
    Mandy is noted for following rules?
    Well no, but thats why his personal phone has not been requested, officially it was not part of any communucations covered by the humble address
    "officially"
    Yes. Officially. I'm not disputing he probably used it, just why, under the humble address provisions, its not requested.

    Also major data privacy issues around private phones too
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,868
    viewcode said:



    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Lord Mandelson has not been asked to hand over WhatsApp messages or texts from his personal phone amid mounting concern about the limited nature of the government’s disclosures

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2037210961975578759

    Be fair. He hasn't had a chance to lose his phone yet. And forget his passwords. He's a busy man.
    The thought occurs - people used to sneer at the British class based idea that if a chap was One Of Us, you just took his word that he wasn’t a Russian/German/Chinese spy.

    It appears that the system we have now is functionally the same.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,513
    edited 5:47PM
    Trump still has a 40% odd approval rating. Begs belief.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,868

    Trump still has a 40% odd approval rating. Begs belief.

    Peron still has legions of devout followers - multiple declared after it being proven with mathematical exactitude how crap he was for Argentina.

    Cultists gotta cult.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,688

    Selebian said:

    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    I see Badenoch has once again visited the Magic Money Tree. "Help with Energy Bills" - well, yes, but what kind of help and from where? Is she going to compel energy companies to reduce prices? Is there going to be Government money to help with bills, if so, how much and from where is the shortfall to be met?

    As for drilling in the North Sea, I yield willingly to the knowledge of @Richard_Tyndall and others on the subject. I presume even if we started tomorrow, any new North Sea oil wouldn't be piped ashore for some weeks or months or years? I presume we'd need refinery capacity for example.

    To be fair, "Fuel Britannia" is quite catchy albeit meaningless.

    It's utter crap.

    It would take many months.

    It may get more tax receipts but would be sold at global prices at a loss.

    Fuel Britannia lorry with a conservative logo when the pump price is £2 is a real vote winner?

    Cue "Clueless Kemi robbin us" stickers

    She's clueless

    Vast majority of under 30s and majority of under 50s very pro renewables

    Like with her rush to war, her rush to oil is the polar opposite of visionary or progressive.

    You have already been rebuked by @Richard_Tyndall today on a subject he is an expert on

    We know you have a weird anti Kemi issue but you are not convincing anyone, even labour supporters
    Can you explain the Con policy?

    So far (and based to be fair only on the tweet you linked, but an official Con one, so should mean something) I haven't got a clue as the tweet text, Kemi and the tanker slogan all said different things.
    Effectively drill oil and gas and take the tax over the next 20 years to invest in renewables and reduce bills
    Will cost more to drill extract poor quality oil than the tax received in the first 10 years

    Furthermore any current Tory who tells you they will invest in renewables are taking the absolute piss given their hatred on bet zero
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,121
    JSpring said:

    "Afterwards? It’s Bad News for populists. The more that prices go up when it’s a global impact, the less interest people have in overthrowing the status quo. They want the chaos to stop, not get worse."

    Brexit, Trump and some parties on the European continent have successfully sold themselves as the 'safer' option at various points in the past decade. People generally don't like chaos, but what they view as chaos (or as more chaotic) doesn't necessarily chime in with conventional wisdom.

    This is a very good point. My view is that most Reform voters are pretty conservative whose motivations are to preserve a world they think LabCon are not willing to.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,451
    UK forecast to see biggest hit to growth from Iran war out of major economies
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,735
    Vance suggests Iran could have used nuclear suicide vests: “People who walk into a crowded supermarket and…blow up the vest and a couple of people get killed, that's a terrible tragedy. What happens when what's on the vest…can kill many, many tens of thousands of people?”

    https://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3mhxwtychqh2k
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,513

    UK forecast to see biggest hit to growth from Iran war out of major economies

    SKS fans please explain
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,150

    Trump still has a 40% odd approval rating. Begs belief.

    That's why we can never really trust the US again even after Trump has gone.

    We (and Europe) need to quietly disentangle ourselves from dependence on them. Trump is not an aberration, Americans are very likely to elect an equally malign President again, quite soon. I doubt the US will never really be seen as a reliable ally again given what we have witnessed over the last couple of years.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,493

    Trump still has a 40% odd approval rating. Begs belief.

    Peron still has legions of devout followers - multiple declared after it being proven with mathematical exactitude how crap he was for Argentina.

    Cultists gotta cult.
    It's dipping to new lows though. I expect he's beginning to lose some of the MAGA base now, which wouldn't have reckoned on a foreign war adventure or hike in the price of a gallon. The world can go to hell in a handcart as long as they don't have to stop using their gas guzzlers.

    I can see approval dropping below 40%, at which point even the GOP might start to develop a spine.
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