"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
You need to speak to some Sikhs, plenty of them fear Hindus.
'When a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little.'
Should the Sikhs’ Hinduphobia be banned?
Religionphobia should be legal. A religion is a philosophy, being islamophobic is no different to being conservativephobic.
Do we think most of the people banging on about Muslims polluting western society are just intellectually, morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam and the Koran?
By the same token do those who criticise Israel, come what may, do so because they don’t like Jews ?
If it's 'come what may', yes that's a red flag. Their recent and current actions, sadly, give cause for anybody other than pro-Israel zealots to criticise and this, also sadly, gives cover for antisemites (of left and right) to 'express themselves'.
I am morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam. Submit or have your throat struck is a touch OTT for me
Have you read the Koran? I read it in the 1980s and I didn't interpret what I read in the same way Ayatollah Khomeini did.
The Bible which I read in RS says we should stone a woman to death for adultery.
Slavery is fine and dandy in the New Testament too.
Mauretania was the last country to abolish slavery, as recently as 1981.
According to the Modern Slavery Act it still occurs regularly in this country. Certainly the distinction between men who have been trafficked here to garden Cannabis farms or women to work in brothels and actual slaves is purely technical.
1 0 Starmer though as Nick Timothy is fatally wounded.
She’s not going to sack Nick Timothy for expressing an obvious truth
Let the lefties stand by while we allow ourselves to become an Islamic nation. Well said Nick Timothy and well done Kemi for backing him up
What utter nonsense. We are not becoming "an Islamic nation".
Timothy is just indulging in shit stirring bordering on Islamophobia.
I've been weakly Islamophobic ever since the Salman Rushdie thing kicked off in '89.
The fundamentalists are indeed scary beings. Also true of some of the nuttier fundamentalists in the US (Hegseth's pastor, for example).
You've never met a bigoted Presbytarian Unionist is Northern Ireland then?
The only couple of times I've visited, everyone I encountered was charming. (Though the first time was at the start of the troubles in Belfast, and there were distant explosions all night.)
I've been a couple of times. As you say, normally everyone's very pleasant indeed. However, just now and again......
Actually my worst experience was on the mainland, with a visitor from Ulster, At a social event I was asked what I thought of the situation in Ulster. I was a guest so said, I thought diplomatically, that it was difficult for someone in Essex to tell. Got a mouthful about how it was all the Catholics, should all be shot.
I'd go regularly to meet teams for seminars.
We would do protestants one day, catholics the next, not always in that order, but almost totally segregated.
It was interesting that a few with no religious or political side would all be with the Catholics. A few on private said they felt more welcomed.
We always had a great time with both, work and socially.
Charming friendly company.
At one time I regularly met with professional colleagues from Northern Ireland. As you say charming friendly company.
It was just now and again.
The most remarkable postscript was the incredible personal friendship of the Reverend Ian Paisley and Martin McGuiness
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
You need to speak to some Sikhs, plenty of them fear Hindus.
'When a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little.'
Should the Sikhs’ Hinduphobia be banned?
Religionphobia should be legal. A religion is a philosophy, being islamophobic is no different to being conservativephobic.
Do we think most of the people banging on about Muslims polluting western society are just intellectually, morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam and the Koran?
By the same token do those who criticise Israel, come what may, do so because they don’t like Jews ?
If it's 'come what may', yes that's a red flag. Their recent and current actions, sadly, give cause for anybody other than pro-Israel zealots to criticise and this, also sadly, gives cover for antisemites (of left and right) to 'express themselves'.
I am morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam. Submit or have your throat struck is a touch OTT for me
Have you read the Koran? I read it in the 1980s and I didn't interpret what I read in the same way Ayatollah Khomeini did.
The Bible which I read in RS says we should stone a woman to death for adultery.
Slavery is fine and dandy in the New Testament too.
Mauretania was the last country to abolish slavery, as recently as 1981.
According to the Modern Slavery Act it still occurs regularly in this country. Certainly the distinction between men who have been trafficked here to garden Cannabis farms or women to work in brothels and actual slaves is purely technical.
Murder still occurs quite regularly too but it hasn't been legal for some years.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
You need to speak to some Sikhs, plenty of them fear Hindus.
'When a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little.'
Should the Sikhs’ Hinduphobia be banned?
Religionphobia should be legal. A religion is a philosophy, being islamophobic is no different to being conservativephobic.
Do we think most of the people banging on about Muslims polluting western society are just intellectually, morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam and the Koran?
By the same token do those who criticise Israel, come what may, do so because they don’t like Jews ?
If it's 'come what may', yes that's a red flag. Their recent and current actions, sadly, give cause for anybody other than pro-Israel zealots to criticise and this, also sadly, gives cover for antisemites (of left and right) to 'express themselves'.
I am morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam. Submit or have your throat struck is a touch OTT for me
Have you read the Koran? I read it in the 1980s and I didn't interpret what I read in the same way Ayatollah Khomeini did.
The Bible which I read in RS says we should stone a woman to death for adultery.
Slavery is fine and dandy in the New Testament too.
Mauretania was the last country to abolish slavery, as recently as 1981.
According to the Modern Slavery Act it still occurs regularly in this country. Certainly the distinction between men who have been trafficked here to garden Cannabis farms or women to work in brothels and actual slaves is purely technical.
Murder still occurs quite regularly too but it hasn't been legal for some years.
This is very true. But I suspect that the number of people living as "slaves" here, as defined by that Act, greatly exceeds the number of people murdered in a year.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
You need to speak to some Sikhs, plenty of them fear Hindus.
'When a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little.'
Should the Sikhs’ Hinduphobia be banned?
Religionphobia should be legal. A religion is a philosophy, being islamophobic is no different to being conservativephobic.
Do we think most of the people banging on about Muslims polluting western society are just intellectually, morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam and the Koran?
By the same token do those who criticise Israel, come what may, do so because they don’t like Jews ?
If it's 'come what may', yes that's a red flag. Their recent and current actions, sadly, give cause for anybody other than pro-Israel zealots to criticise and this, also sadly, gives cover for antisemites (of left and right) to 'express themselves'.
I am morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam. Submit or have your throat struck is a touch OTT for me
Have you read the Koran? I read it in the 1980s and I didn't interpret what I read in the same way Ayatollah Khomeini did.
The Bible which I read in RS says we should stone a woman to death for adultery.
Slavery is fine and dandy in the New Testament too.
Mauretania was the last country to abolish slavery, as recently as 1981.
According to the Modern Slavery Act it still occurs regularly in this country. Certainly the distinction between men who have been trafficked here to garden Cannabis farms or women to work in brothels and actual slaves is purely technical.
Murder still occurs quite regularly too but it hasn't been legal for some years.
We still allow legal murder, but only in unusual circumstances such as warfare.
There is a bill stalled in the Lords to legalise murder of the terminally ill too.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
You need to speak to some Sikhs, plenty of them fear Hindus.
'When a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little.'
Should the Sikhs’ Hinduphobia be banned?
Religionphobia should be legal. A religion is a philosophy, being islamophobic is no different to being conservativephobic.
Do we think most of the people banging on about Muslims polluting western society are just intellectually, morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam and the Koran?
By the same token do those who criticise Israel, come what may, do so because they don’t like Jews ?
If it's 'come what may', yes that's a red flag. Their recent and current actions, sadly, give cause for anybody other than pro-Israel zealots to criticise and this, also sadly, gives cover for antisemites (of left and right) to 'express themselves'.
I am morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam. Submit or have your throat struck is a touch OTT for me
Have you read the Koran? I read it in the 1980s and I didn't interpret what I read in the same way Ayatollah Khomeini did.
The Bible which I read in RS says we should stone a woman to death for adultery.
Slavery is fine and dandy in the New Testament too.
Mauretania was the last country to abolish slavery, as recently as 1981.
According to the Modern Slavery Act it still occurs regularly in this country. Certainly the distinction between men who have been trafficked here to garden Cannabis farms or women to work in brothels and actual slaves is purely technical.
Murder still occurs quite regularly too but it hasn't been legal for some years.
We still allow legal murder, but only in unusual circumstances such as warfare.
There is a bill stalled in the Lords to legalise murder of the terminally ill too.
She has a valid point in terms of that traditional British value of "keeping our word". Migrants came here on the basis of being able to build a new life and get permanant residance after 5 years.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
You need to speak to some Sikhs, plenty of them fear Hindus.
'When a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little.'
Should the Sikhs’ Hinduphobia be banned?
Religionphobia should be legal. A religion is a philosophy, being islamophobic is no different to being conservativephobic.
Do we think most of the people banging on about Muslims polluting western society are just intellectually, morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam and the Koran?
By the same token do those who criticise Israel, come what may, do so because they don’t like Jews ?
If it's 'come what may', yes that's a red flag. Their recent and current actions, sadly, give cause for anybody other than pro-Israel zealots to criticise and this, also sadly, gives cover for antisemites (of left and right) to 'express themselves'.
I am morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam. Submit or have your throat struck is a touch OTT for me
Have you read the Koran? I read it in the 1980s and I didn't interpret what I read in the same way Ayatollah Khomeini did.
The Bible which I read in RS says we should stone a woman to death for adultery.
Slavery is fine and dandy in the New Testament too.
Mauretania was the last country to abolish slavery, as recently as 1981.
According to the Modern Slavery Act it still occurs regularly in this country. Certainly the distinction between men who have been trafficked here to garden Cannabis farms or women to work in brothels and actual slaves is purely technical.
Murder still occurs quite regularly too but it hasn't been legal for some years.
This is very true. But I suspect that the number of people living as "slaves" here, as defined by that Act, greatly exceeds the number of people murdered in a year.
FPT - Leon: "Here's another cheering thought. Pretty soon litter will be a thing of the past, because councils will sack all the street cleaners and get small humanoid robots to pick up all the rubbish. They will be vastly cheaper than human labour, and they will work 24/7, tirelessly, in all weathers, for no money. Only going home to be recharged. So all the litter will disappear (which will be nice, in London)"
Nah. They will be priced at being JUST marginally cheaper than a human. So we will still be inundated with shite.
How is your wife's shoot going? My Hollywood friends are all quite depressed about the state of the industry in LA
They are just finishing some external shots in Devon and Cornwall and it will be done by Saturday (fingers crossed). It seems to have gone very well - have to be a bit circumspect, but she's very pleased with Anthony Hopkins and Helena Bonham Carter's performances and she says that the two central actresses Caitriona Balfe and Emma Laird have been a revelation.
It looks very lush - the team behind the Downtown movies know what they are doing. Hopkins thinks it one of the best things he's done in ages. He loved Rose Tremain's writing.
I am not Hopkins's greatest fan, he often comes across as a Richard Burton pastiche, although he is particularly brilliant (and this will be controversial) in the Fastest Indian.
I was never really in the Bonham- Carter fan club until her fairly recent portrayal of Noele Gordon, her performance put into context how versatile she is.
Balfe and Laird are well on their way to being massive Hollywood stars.
I used to hang-out with Helena Bonham-Carter in her north London youth. Also interviewed her
She was EXQUISITELY beautiful, in this unique, china-doll kinda way. She's tiny
QatarEnergy Statement on Missile Attacks on Ras Laffan Industrial City
QatarEnergy confirms that Ras Laffan Industrial City this evening has been the subject of missile attacks.
Emergency response teams were deployed immediately to contain the resulting fires, as extensive damage has been caused. All personnel have been accounted for and no casualties have been reported at this time.
QatarEnergy will continue to communicate the latest available information.
Very, very bad news. As I wrote in Material World, Ras Laffan is one of the most important industrial sites not just in the Gulf but in the world. LNG, helium, other products. Massive.
Whatever happens next, serious damage to this site could reverberate for months, maybe years.
QatarEnergy Statement on Missile Attacks on Ras Laffan Industrial City
QatarEnergy confirms that Ras Laffan Industrial City this evening has been the subject of missile attacks.
Emergency response teams were deployed immediately to contain the resulting fires, as extensive damage has been caused. All personnel have been accounted for and no casualties have been reported at this time.
QatarEnergy will continue to communicate the latest available information.
Very, very bad news. As I wrote in Material World, Ras Laffan is one of the most important industrial sites not just in the Gulf but in the world. LNG, helium, other products. Massive.
Whatever happens next, serious damage to this site could reverberate for months, maybe years.
Bruno Maçães @MacaesBruno · 31m Situation may soon become critical. Brent at 112. All tools to control prices have been used up. Some manipulation in futures market but can’t continue or trust will break down. Major hits on supply still to come
She has a valid point in terms of that traditional British value of "keeping our word". Migrants came here on the basis of being able to build a new life and get permanant residance after 5 years.
Er...she is going to be in deep shit if she thinks we have given our word to those coming over in little boats....
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
You need to speak to some Sikhs, plenty of them fear Hindus.
'When a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little.'
Should the Sikhs’ Hinduphobia be banned?
Religionphobia should be legal. A religion is a philosophy, being islamophobic is no different to being conservativephobic.
Do we think most of the people banging on about Muslims polluting western society are just intellectually, morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam and the Koran?
By the same token do those who criticise Israel, come what may, do so because they don’t like Jews ?
If it's 'come what may', yes that's a red flag. Their recent and current actions, sadly, give cause for anybody other than pro-Israel zealots to criticise and this, also sadly, gives cover for antisemites (of left and right) to 'express themselves'.
I am morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam. Submit or have your throat struck is a touch OTT for me
Have you read the Koran? I read it in the 1980s and I didn't interpret what I read in the same way Ayatollah Khomeini did.
The Bible which I read in RS says we should stone a woman to death for adultery.
Slavery is fine and dandy in the New Testament too.
Mauretania was the last country to abolish slavery, as recently as 1981.
According to the Modern Slavery Act it still occurs regularly in this country. Certainly the distinction between men who have been trafficked here to garden Cannabis farms or women to work in brothels and actual slaves is purely technical.
Murder still occurs quite regularly too but it hasn't been legal for some years.
We still allow legal murder, but only in unusual circumstances such as warfare.
There is a bill stalled in the Lords to legalise murder of the terminally ill too.
No, there is not. Murder is the unlawful, intentional killing of a human being with "malice aforethought".
The legal, humane termination of someone's suffering at their own request would be neither unlawful nor having malice aforethought.
NHS anti-racism latest A Jewish employee was "investigated for 'Zionist beliefs', including posts celebrating Jewish festivals. A black friend who spoke up for her was smeared as a 'coconut', and a supportive Muslim branded a 'disgrace to her religion'”
Bruno Maçães @MacaesBruno · 31m Situation may soon become critical. Brent at 112. All tools to control prices have been used up. Some manipulation in futures market but can’t continue or trust will break down. Major hits on supply still to come
She has a valid point in terms of that traditional British value of "keeping our word". Migrants came here on the basis of being able to build a new life and get permanant residance after 5 years.
Er...she is going to be in deep shit if she thinks we have given our word to those coming over in little boats....
I think Rayner was referring to those like my colleagues who came on legal healthcare visas with Permenant Residence being granted after 5 years.
I have advised a number of my colleagues with PR to get on with getting their citizenship. There's an ill wind coming for them otherwise.
Oman’s Foreign Minister Badr Albusaidi — who mediated the most recent nuclear talks— writes a piece in The Economist arguing the US “has lost control of its own foreign policy.”
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
If you've been in areas of Leicester and Birmingham when Sikhs and Hindus clash, to football matches in Glasgow or when various Jewish factions clash, you'll understand there are wrong uns and excesses in all religions.
Islamaphobia is far more common than the others combined because our media is dominated by haters of Islam
There may he wrong uns in all religions, but most religions in Britain don't tend to murder in the name of their religions.
Everyone of those religions has murdered for their religion globally
Do you know what the most deadly terrorist attack ever in Europe was? It killed 329 people. It wasn’t the IRA or ETA. It wasn’t Islamic State or a Palestinian group. It was the blowing up of Air India flight 182 in June 1985. 329 people were killed.
Who blew the plane up? Sikh extremists. As you say, every one of those religions has included extremists who killed. 99.9% of Sikhs are nothing like those terrorists. 99.9% of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists are nothing like the terrorists who have killed in the name of those religions.
This is provable bollocks. Polls show, time and again, that huge minorities - sometimes even majorities - of Muslims in western countries hold views that most on here would bitterly revile in anyone else. From homophobia to patriaRchy to female modesty to sharia law
The levels of denial on this site are ridic. Islam is NOT like Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, it is way more aggressive, intolerant and imperialist. It is a religion of conquest, that's in its DNA, and - unlike other religions - it has never been moderated by an Enlightenment. Just be honest, you know this is true
WOW: DOJ redactions hid key details about Trump’s Epstein ties — and Rep. Dan Goldman just revealed what they were trying to cover up.
In the unredacted document shown today by Goldman, we can now read the full notes from a 2009 conversation involving Jeffrey Epstein and Trump’s attorneys. 1/
Here’s what stands out:
Trump’s own attorney set the record straight on whether Epstein was ever expelled from Mar-a-Lago. He admitted: "No [Epstein] was not a member. May have been a guest. Never asked to leave."
Mar-a-Lago's manager also confirmed that Epstein was never asked to leave. 2/
The notes reference Trump being on Epstein’s plane, contradicting public denials.
It confirms Trump had interactions connected to Epstein’s world, far beyond what he has repeatedly claimed. Trump: "I may have been [at Epstein's house] with my wife" 3/
I taught an adult class of mainly Muslims for several years including an Imam. They wanted me to become Muslim, but I demurred. My throat remained unslit despite being outnumbered 20 to 1.
I don't know how seriously to take your comment. However integration is about a lot more than being against murder. How can people indoctrinated into believing ancient religious texts (that in the case of Islam do not even have a tradition here) are the literal word of god be expected to integrate into 21st century Britain? They can't. I wish we would stop wasting our time pretending otherwise and have a migration policy whereby we focus on encouraging people who believe in free thought and expression to come here.
So it’s just the BBC webpage but nothing about Timothy. Suggests it’s a rather trivial thing.
I have no issue with people having faith. I personally am an atheist. I do find aspects of the link in Islam to identity and mysogeny to be chaallenging in a western liberal context. A strongly patriarchal society does not sit easily in the world of eqquaal rights, equality and diversity etc. There is also no doubt that some Muslims do wish to see Islam take over the world. And at the moment a terrorist a attack is most likely to be inspired by a perverted creed of Islam, so people are naturally afraid.
She has a valid point in terms of that traditional British value of "keeping our word". Migrants came here on the basis of being able to build a new life and get permanant residance after 5 years.
Er...she is going to be in deep shit if she thinks we have given our word to those coming over in little boats....
I think Rayner was referring to those like my colleagues who came on legal healthcare visas with Permenant Residence being granted after 5 years.
I have advised a number of my colleagues with PR to get on with getting their citizenship. There's an ill wind coming for them otherwise.
You "think"? She better clarify - or Farage will politically eviscerate her.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
If you've been in areas of Leicester and Birmingham when Sikhs and Hindus clash, to football matches in Glasgow or when various Jewish factions clash, you'll understand there are wrong uns and excesses in all religions.
Islamaphobia is far more common than the others combined because our media is dominated by haters of Islam
There may he wrong uns in all religions, but most religions in Britain don't tend to murder in the name of their religions.
Everyone of those religions has murdered for their religion globally
Do you know what the most deadly terrorist attack ever in Europe was? It killed 329 people. It wasn’t the IRA or ETA. It wasn’t Islamic State or a Palestinian group. It was the blowing up of Air India flight 182 in June 1985. 329 people were killed.
Who blew the plane up? Sikh extremists. As you say, every one of those religions has included extremists who killed. 99.9% of Sikhs are nothing like those terrorists. 99.9% of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists are nothing like the terrorists who have killed in the name of those religions.
This is provable bollocks. Polls show, time and again, that huge minorities - sometimes even majorities - of Muslims in western countries hold views that most on here would bitterly revile in anyone else. From homophobia to patriatchy to female modesty to sharia law
The levels of denial on this site are ridic. Islam is NOT like Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, it is way more aggressive, intolerant and imperialist. It is a religion of conquest, that's in its DNA, and - unlike other religions - it has never been moderated by an Enlightenment. Just be honest, you know this is true
For the activists it's nothing more than votes. As I said a few weeks ago, the left are Islam's useful idiots, not, as the left see it, the other way around. Ultimately only one side of this new alliance of lefties and Islam is willing to behead people to get their way. It might not happen tomorrow but the reverse takeover of the left in the UK by Islam has already started. In parts of the US where they had the same the left bowed down when the Islamists in the coalition started to vote to cancel pride events and other lefty stuff. It will be no different here. They're all so afraid of being called racist that they'll never say no to Islamist demands, I mean look at the absolute nonsense defending a barbaric religion that treats women, gay people, non believers and animals like shit and who's followers have perpetrated one of the worst crimes against this country in recent times that we're banned from discussing.
I mean the cognitive dissonance on the left is reaching completely ridiculous proportions as they contort themselves into ever more unlikely positions to avoid the ultimate shame of being called a racist.
i bet it all on "will the strait of hormuz open by april" on polymarket. desperate, i launch a solo mission to open the strait. piloting a boat down the persian gulf, i immediately get blown up by a mine and die. "first person to get blown up by a mine in the strait of hormuz" pays out on march 31st
I taught an adult class of mainly Muslims for several years including an Imam. They wanted me to become Muslim, but I demurred. My throat remained unslit despite being outnumbered 20 to 1.
I don't know how seriously to take your comment. However integration is about a lot more than being against murder. How can people indoctrinated into believing ancient religious texts (that in the case of Islam do not even have a tradition here) are the literal word of god be expected to integrate into 21st century Britain? They can't. I wish we would stop wasting our time pretending otherwise and have a migration policy whereby we focus on encouraging people who believe in free thought and expression to come here.
The truly ironic thing is that actual moderate MUSLIMS, in places like the UAE, Morocco, or central Asia - the stans - are utterly aghast at the West importing these total freakish conservative Muslims. They know they are very big trouble, which is why they have laws against them tp keep them down, and they openly warn us of the danger we are inviting. Yet on we go. It is madness
Moderate Islam is a noble faith, which threatens few. Conservative or radical Islam is disturbing and tends to the dangerous and evil. It is the difference between importing Christian Democrat patriotic Germans, and actual Nazis, in the 1930s
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"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
If you've been in areas of Leicester and Birmingham when Sikhs and Hindus clash, to football matches in Glasgow or when various Jewish factions clash, you'll understand there are wrong uns and excesses in all religions.
Islamaphobia is far more common than the others combined because our media is dominated by haters of Islam
There may he wrong uns in all religions, but most religions in Britain don't tend to murder in the name of their religions.
Everyone of those religions has murdered for their religion globally
Do you know what the most deadly terrorist attack ever in Europe was? It killed 329 people. It wasn’t the IRA or ETA. It wasn’t Islamic State or a Palestinian group. It was the blowing up of Air India flight 182 in June 1985. 329 people were killed.
Who blew the plane up? Sikh extremists. As you say, every one of those religions has included extremists who killed. 99.9% of Sikhs are nothing like those terrorists. 99.9% of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists are nothing like the terrorists who have killed in the name of those religions.
This is provable bollocks. Polls show, time and again, that huge minorities - sometimes even majorities - of Muslims in western countries hold views that most on here would bitterly revile in anyone else. From homophobia to patriatchy to female modesty to sharia law
The levels of denial on this site are ridic. Islam is NOT like Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, it is way more aggressive, intolerant and imperialist. It is a religion of conquest, that's in its DNA, and - unlike other religions - it has never been moderated by an Enlightenment. Just be honest, you know this is true
For the activists it's nothing more than votes. As I said a few weeks ago, the left are Islam's useful idiots, not, as the left see it, the other way around. Ultimately only one side of this new alliance of lefties and Islam is willing to behead people to get their way. It might not happen tomorrow but the reverse takeover of the left in the UK by Islam has already started. In parts of the US where they had the same the left bowed down when the Islamists in the coalition started to vote to cancel pride events and other lefty stuff. It will be no different here. They're all so afraid of being called racist that they'll never say no to Islamist demands, I mean look at the absolute nonsense defending a barbaric religion that treats women, gay people, non believers and animals like shit and who's followers have perpetrated one of the worst crimes against this country in recent times that we're banned from discussing.
I mean the cognitive dissonance on the left is reaching completely ridiculous proportions as they contort themselves into ever more unlikely positions to avoid the ultimate shame of being called a racist.
it is incredible
All they have to do is look at the history of the leftists and feminists that allied with Ayatollah Khomenei in the Iranian Revolution. They enabled and celebrated his victory, but as soon as he won, he had them all slaughtered. On industrial scale. Literally rounds and rounds of firing squads, many thousands died, and tens of thousands have died, since
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
If you've been in areas of Leicester and Birmingham when Sikhs and Hindus clash, to football matches in Glasgow or when various Jewish factions clash, you'll understand there are wrong uns and excesses in all religions.
Islamaphobia is far more common than the others combined because our media is dominated by haters of Islam
There may he wrong uns in all religions, but most religions in Britain don't tend to murder in the name of their religions.
Everyone of those religions has murdered for their religion globally
Do you know what the most deadly terrorist attack ever in Europe was? It killed 329 people. It wasn’t the IRA or ETA. It wasn’t Islamic State or a Palestinian group. It was the blowing up of Air India flight 182 in June 1985. 329 people were killed.
Who blew the plane up? Sikh extremists. As you say, every one of those religions has included extremists who killed. 99.9% of Sikhs are nothing like those terrorists. 99.9% of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists are nothing like the terrorists who have killed in the name of those religions.
This is provable bollocks. Polls show, time and again, that huge minorities - sometimes even majorities - of Muslims in western countries hold views that most on here would bitterly revile in anyone else. From homophobia to patriatchy to female modesty to sharia law
The levels of denial on this site are ridic. Islam is NOT like Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, it is way more aggressive, intolerant and imperialist. It is a religion of conquest, that's in its DNA, and - unlike other religions - it has never been moderated by an Enlightenment. Just be honest, you know this is true
For the activists it's nothing more than votes. As I said a few weeks ago, the left are Islam's useful idiots, not, as the left see it, the other way around. Ultimately only one side of this new alliance of lefties and Islam is willing to behead people to get their way. It might not happen tomorrow but the reverse takeover of the left in the UK by Islam has already started. In parts of the US where they had the same the left bowed down when the Islamists in the coalition started to vote to cancel pride events and other lefty stuff. It will be no different here. They're all so afraid of being called racist that they'll never say no to Islamist demands, I mean look at the absolute nonsense defending a barbaric religion that treats women, gay people, non believers and animals like shit and who's followers have perpetrated one of the worst crimes against this country in recent times that we're banned from discussing.
I mean the cognitive dissonance on the left is reaching completely ridiculous proportions as they contort themselves into ever more unlikely positions to avoid the ultimate shame of being called a racist.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
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"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
You're a clown
At least he's not a nasty racist bigot islamophobe. I'm sure that will be very comforting thought when the UK begins to adopt parts of Sharia into our statute boom because the left will do nothing to oppose it.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
You need to speak to some Sikhs, plenty of them fear Hindus.
'When a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little.'
Should the Sikhs’ Hinduphobia be banned?
Religionphobia should be legal. A religion is a philosophy, being islamophobic is no different to being conservativephobic.
Do we think most of the people banging on about Muslims polluting western society are just intellectually, morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam and the Koran?
By the same token do those who criticise Israel, come what may, do so because they don’t like Jews ?
If it's 'come what may', yes that's a red flag. Their recent and current actions, sadly, give cause for anybody other than pro-Israel zealots to criticise and this, also sadly, gives cover for antisemites (of left and right) to 'express themselves'.
I am morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam. Submit or have your throat struck is a touch OTT for me
Have you read the Koran? I read it in the 1980s and I didn't interpret what I read in the same way Ayatollah Khomeini did.
The Bible which I read in RS says we should stone a woman to death for adultery.
Slavery is fine and dandy in the New Testament too.
Christianity had, and continues to have, reformations
Only the medieval Quran is accepted
That’s just plain ignorant nonsense. Islam is very diverse, like all religions. Sufis have had all sorts of new interpretations of the Quran, for example.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Our special treatment of anti-semitism stems from the holocaust. Labour's proposed special treatment of islamaphobia stems from what? We got too grumpy and over-reacted when they blew up our tube trains?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
You need to speak to some Sikhs, plenty of them fear Hindus.
'When a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little.'
Should the Sikhs’ Hinduphobia be banned?
Religionphobia should be legal. A religion is a philosophy, being islamophobic is no different to being conservativephobic.
Do we think most of the people banging on about Muslims polluting western society are just intellectually, morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam and the Koran?
By the same token do those who criticise Israel, come what may, do so because they don’t like Jews ?
If it's 'come what may', yes that's a red flag. Their recent and current actions, sadly, give cause for anybody other than pro-Israel zealots to criticise and this, also sadly, gives cover for antisemites (of left and right) to 'express themselves'.
I am morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam. Submit or have your throat struck is a touch OTT for me
Have you read the Koran? I read it in the 1980s and I didn't interpret what I read in the same way Ayatollah Khomeini did.
The Bible which I read in RS says we should stone a woman to death for adultery.
Slavery is fine and dandy in the New Testament too.
Christianity had, and continues to have, reformations
Only the medieval Quran is accepted
That’s just plain ignorant nonsense. Islam is very diverse, like all religions. Sufis have had all sorts of new interpretations of the Quran, for example.
Yes and Sufis are apostates and are regularly killed in pogroms and have had to find sanctuary in India which protects them from other Muslims.
I've also met a lot of Zionist wankers from Israel, who are outright racists and Jewish supremacists. Similarly with nationalist Hindus, and Buddhists in Myanmar, and so on
But the only religion that poses a threat everywhere and worldwide is Islam, in its conservative guise. This is a sad but unavoidable truth. This is why no one wants to move to Islamic countries (with the noble exception of the UAE, now sadly threatened). They are despised as fearful places that repress women, even if they are wealthy
And, again, this is well known in moderate Muslim countries, like the Stans in central Asia. They are all-too-aware of the problem. Hence their banning of the burqa, official licensing of imams, prohibition of Islamic political parties, etc
She has a valid point in terms of that traditional British value of "keeping our word". Migrants came here on the basis of being able to build a new life and get permanant residance after 5 years.
Er...she is going to be in deep shit if she thinks we have given our word to those coming over in little boats....
I think Rayner was referring to those like my colleagues who came on legal healthcare visas with Permenant Residence being granted after 5 years.
I have advised a number of my colleagues with PR to get on with getting their citizenship. There's an ill wind coming for them otherwise.
There is an element of moving goalposts.
And moving goalposts is something governments often do.
See student debt or state pension ages one example.
Sometimes moving goalposts is either economically necessary or morally right.
For the record, the president of the United States is now simultaneously claiming that he has won the war, is currently winning the war, needs help to win the war, and needs no help to win the war. All to destroy the nuclear program he claims to have already destroyed last year.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
You need to speak to some Sikhs, plenty of them fear Hindus.
'When a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little.'
Should the Sikhs’ Hinduphobia be banned?
Religionphobia should be legal. A religion is a philosophy, being islamophobic is no different to being conservativephobic.
Do we think most of the people banging on about Muslims polluting western society are just intellectually, morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam and the Koran?
By the same token do those who criticise Israel, come what may, do so because they don’t like Jews ?
If it's 'come what may', yes that's a red flag. Their recent and current actions, sadly, give cause for anybody other than pro-Israel zealots to criticise and this, also sadly, gives cover for antisemites (of left and right) to 'express themselves'.
I am morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam. Submit or have your throat struck is a touch OTT for me
Have you read the Koran? I read it in the 1980s and I didn't interpret what I read in the same way Ayatollah Khomeini did.
The Bible which I read in RS says we should stone a woman to death for adultery.
Slavery is fine and dandy in the New Testament too.
Christianity had, and continues to have, reformations
Only the medieval Quran is accepted
That’s just plain ignorant nonsense. Islam is very diverse, like all religions. Sufis have had all sorts of new interpretations of the Quran, for example.
OMFG
You're just quite fucking dim? Aren't you?
And you were on the government sub-committee of SAGE. Explains a lot
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
You need to speak to some Sikhs, plenty of them fear Hindus.
'When a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little.'
Should the Sikhs’ Hinduphobia be banned?
Religionphobia should be legal. A religion is a philosophy, being islamophobic is no different to being conservativephobic.
Do we think most of the people banging on about Muslims polluting western society are just intellectually, morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam and the Koran?
By the same token do those who criticise Israel, come what may, do so because they don’t like Jews ?
If it's 'come what may', yes that's a red flag. Their recent and current actions, sadly, give cause for anybody other than pro-Israel zealots to criticise and this, also sadly, gives cover for antisemites (of left and right) to 'express themselves'.
I am morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam. Submit or have your throat struck is a touch OTT for me
Have you read the Koran? I read it in the 1980s and I didn't interpret what I read in the same way Ayatollah Khomeini did.
The Bible which I read in RS says we should stone a woman to death for adultery.
Slavery is fine and dandy in the New Testament too.
Mauretania was the last country to abolish slavery, as recently as 1981.
According to the Modern Slavery Act it still occurs regularly in this country. Certainly the distinction between men who have been trafficked here to garden Cannabis farms or women to work in brothels and actual slaves is purely technical.
Murder still occurs quite regularly too but it hasn't been legal for some years.
We still allow legal murder, but only in unusual circumstances such as warfare.
There is a bill stalled in the Lords to legalise murder of the terminally ill too.
No, there is not. Murder is the unlawful, intentional killing of a human being with "malice aforethought".
The legal, humane termination of someone's suffering at their own request would be neither unlawful nor having malice aforethought.
The definition is somewhat wider in Scotland. Indeed anyone driving an SUV in an urban environment is showing "wicked recklessness" in my opinion (which is correct).
So it’s just the BBC webpage but nothing about Timothy. Suggests it’s a rather trivial thing.
I have no issue with people having faith. I personally am an atheist. I do find aspects of the link in Islam to identity and mysogeny to be chaallenging in a western liberal context. A strongly patriarchal society does not sit easily in the world of eqquaal rights, equality and diversity etc. There is also no doubt that some Muslims do wish to see Islam take over the world. And at the moment a terrorist a attack is most likely to be inspired by a perverted creed of Islam, so people are naturally afraid.
You are more likely to get killed in the accidental spillover from a gang war than by a terrorist attack. You are much more likely to be killed by a drunk driver.
There have been 7 deaths in Great Britain from terrorist attacks since 1 Jan 2020, so about 1 a year. About 4-5 people are killed by cows each year. Don’t be afraid of terrorists, of any sort. Be afraid of cows.
So it’s just the BBC webpage but nothing about Timothy. Suggests it’s a rather trivial thing.
I have no issue with people having faith. I personally am an atheist. I do find aspects of the link in Islam to identity and mysogeny to be chaallenging in a western liberal context. A strongly patriarchal society does not sit easily in the world of eqquaal rights, equality and diversity etc. There is also no doubt that some Muslims do wish to see Islam take over the world. And at the moment a terrorist a attack is most likely to be inspired by a perverted creed of Islam, so people are naturally afraid.
You are more likely to get killed in the accidental spillover from a gang war than by a terrorist attack. You are much more likely to be killed by a drunk driver.
There have been 7 deaths in Great Britain from terrorist attacks since 1 Jan 2020, so about 1 a year. About 4-5 people are killed by cows each year. Don’t be afraid of terrorists, of any sort. Be afraid of cows.
So it’s just the BBC webpage but nothing about Timothy. Suggests it’s a rather trivial thing.
I have no issue with people having faith. I personally am an atheist. I do find aspects of the link in Islam to identity and mysogeny to be chaallenging in a western liberal context. A strongly patriarchal society does not sit easily in the world of eqquaal rights, equality and diversity etc. There is also no doubt that some Muslims do wish to see Islam take over the world. And at the moment a terrorist a attack is most likely to be inspired by a perverted creed of Islam, so people are naturally afraid.
You are more likely to get killed in the accidental spillover from a gang war than by a terrorist attack. You are much more likely to be killed by a drunk driver.
There have been 7 deaths in Great Britain from terrorist attacks since 1 Jan 2020, so about 1 a year. About 4-5 people are killed by cows each year. Don’t be afraid of terrorists, of any sort. Be afraid of cows.
Just think of the problems we face when the Belted Galloways launch jihad against us.
Ismaili Muslims interpret much of the Koran allegorically rather than literally, much as Christians do with the Bible.
Awesome. I like the sound of them
They're an exception to prove the rule
I bet only Muslims hate the Ismaliis
Sufism is pretty chill too, both are seen as apostates fwiw and it's pretty risky to declare oneself as Ismaili or Sufi in an Islamic country.
It is not risky to declare oneself Sufi in an Islamic country. Sufism is a dominant form of Islam, or widely respected, in many places, from Senegal to Albania.
And is it not possible to have that rational fear and to still love Muslim people?
I have a fear of clowns but I would still expect the law to protect them from abuse and harassment. I'm probably late to this party but why are we talking about the government trying to stop people being afraid of Muslims? No law can police how you feel, just how you act towards others
I've also met a lot of Zionist wankers from Israel, who are outright racists and Jewish supremacists. Similarly with nationalist Hindus, and Buddhists in Myanmar, and so on
But the only religion that poses a threat everywhere and worldwide is Islam, in its conservative guise. This is a sad but unavoidable truth. This is why no one wants to move to Islamic countries (with the noble exception of the UAE, now sadly threatened). They are despised as fearful places that repress women, even if they are wealthy
And, again, this is well known in moderate Muslim countries, like the Stans in central Asia. They are all-too-aware of the problem. Hence their banning of the burqa, official licensing of imams, prohibition of Islamic political parties, etc
In a way I don't worry so much when it's the SWP types (who would have welcomed the red army with open arms) that are blind to this stuff. But when it is well educated professionals who don't consider themselves radicals, like bonde and foxy, you have to worry.
Shirley Williams criticising the Rushdie knighthood on Question Time and getting widely applauded was a real eye opening moment for me.
Is the translation of Islam too subtle for the left?
It means submission
You don’t get to guide Islam in your whimsical ways; you submit, or else
Oh my God, how much bullshit can one person post? “Islam” derives from the word for peace, and submission here means submitting oneself to God’s will, i.e. being a good Muslim by practising the five pillars, prayer, charity, fasting during Ramadan etc. The Quran explicitly says that there is no compulsion in religion. It is up to the individual to choose their own path.
Ismaili Muslims interpret much of the Koran allegorically rather than literally, much as Christians do with the Bible.
Awesome. I like the sound of them
They're an exception to prove the rule
I bet only Muslims hate the Ismaliis
Sufism is pretty chill too, both are seen as apostates fwiw and it's pretty risky to declare oneself as Ismaili or Sufi in an Islamic country.
It is not risky to declare oneself Sufi in an Islamic country. Sufism is a dominant form of Islam, or widely respected, in many places, from Senegal to Albania.
"In Pakistan, Sufi and Barelvi traditions have repeatedly been attacked by extremist groups, including bombings of major shrines. U.S. government reporting documented deadly attacks on Sufi sites, including the Sehwan shrine attack, which killed 82 and injured 383."
Is the translation of Islam too subtle for the left?
It means submission
You don’t get to guide Islam in your whimsical ways; you submit, or else
Oh my God, how much bullshit can one person post? “Islam” derives from the word for peace, and submission here means submitting oneself to God’s will, i.e. being a good Muslim by practising the five pillars, prayer, charity, fasting during Ramadan etc. The Quran explicitly says that there is no compulsion in religion. It is up to the individual to choose their own path.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
You need to speak to some Sikhs, plenty of them fear Hindus.
'When a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little.'
Should the Sikhs’ Hinduphobia be banned?
Religionphobia should be legal. A religion is a philosophy, being islamophobic is no different to being conservativephobic.
Do we think most of the people banging on about Muslims polluting western society are just intellectually, morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam and the Koran?
By the same token do those who criticise Israel, come what may, do so because they don’t like Jews ?
If it's 'come what may', yes that's a red flag. Their recent and current actions, sadly, give cause for anybody other than pro-Israel zealots to criticise and this, also sadly, gives cover for antisemites (of left and right) to 'express themselves'.
I am morally and philosophically offended by the tenets of Islam. Submit or have your throat struck is a touch OTT for me
Have you read the Koran? I read it in the 1980s and I didn't interpret what I read in the same way Ayatollah Khomeini did.
The Bible which I read in RS says we should stone a woman to death for adultery.
Slavery is fine and dandy in the New Testament too.
Christianity had, and continues to have, reformations
Only the medieval Quran is accepted
That’s just plain ignorant nonsense. Islam is very diverse, like all religions. Sufis have had all sorts of new interpretations of the Quran, for example.
Yes and Sufis are apostates and are regularly killed in pogroms and have had to find sanctuary in India which protects them from other Muslims.
Ah, yes, India. Where no Muslims have ever been killed in pogroms.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Our special treatment of anti-semitism stems from the holocaust. Labour's proposed special treatment of islamaphobia stems from what? We got too grumpy and over-reacted when they blew up our tube trains?
I kinda think it shouldn’t take a genocide for us to stop being bigoted against a group.
Why might we need the government to take some sort of action around Islamophobia? Well, look at this thread and the half a dozen people being very bigoted against Muslims, making up nonsense about Muslims, declaring Islam a unique threat. Two of the commonest bigotries in our country today are anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. (Ziganophobia is up there too.)
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?
Islamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?
Islamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?
So is fear of Islam equivalent to your definition of Islamophobia?
Can I fear Islam and still love Muslims, without falling foul of your side's latest fascist definition?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Our special treatment of anti-semitism stems from the holocaust. Labour's proposed special treatment of islamaphobia stems from what? We got too grumpy and over-reacted when they blew up our tube trains?
I kinda think it shouldn’t take a genocide for us to stop being bigoted against a group.
Why might we need the government to take some sort of action around Islamophobia? Well, look at this thread and the half a dozen people being very bigoted against Muslims, making up nonsense about Muslims, declaring Islam a unique threat. Two of the commonest bigotries in our country today are anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. (Ziganophobia is up there too.)
Some British muslims blow stuff up. Some gypies living in Britain steal. What bad thing do you think some British Jews do? Do enlighten us.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?
Islamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?
In case you missed the distinction; I said fear of Islam, you said fear of Muslims
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?
Islamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?
So is fear of Islam equivalent to your definition of Islamophobia?
Can I fear Islam and still love Muslims, without falling foul of your side's latest fascist definition?
PS Please don't Starmer me again
No, fear of Islam is not a good definition of “Islamophobia”. If you actually care about what’s happening, rather than your own paranoia, you can look at the government’s working group’s document on what they mean by “Islamophobia”: https://mhclgmedia.blog.gov.uk/2025/07/07/islamophobia-working-group-definition/ What they mean, to put it simply, is anti-Muslim hatred.
The report also says: “We are absolutely committed to defending freedom of speech, and any proposed definition must be compatible with the right to freedom of speech and expression.”
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?
Islamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?
So is fear of Islam equivalent to your definition of Islamophobia?
Can I fear Islam and still love Muslims, without falling foul of your side's latest fascist definition?
PS Please don't Starmer me again
No, fear of Islam is not a good definition of “Islamophobia”. If you actually care about what’s happening, rather than your own paranoia, you can look at the government’s working group’s document on what they mean by “Islamophobia”: https://mhclgmedia.blog.gov.uk/2025/07/07/islamophobia-working-group-definition/ What they mean, to put it simply, is anti-Muslim hatred.
The report also says: “We are absolutely committed to defending freedom of speech, and any proposed definition must be compatible with the right to freedom of speech and expression.”
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Our special treatment of anti-semitism stems from the holocaust. Labour's proposed special treatment of islamaphobia stems from what? We got too grumpy and over-reacted when they blew up our tube trains?
I kinda think it shouldn’t take a genocide for us to stop being bigoted against a group.
Why might we need the government to take some sort of action around Islamophobia? Well, look at this thread and the half a dozen people being very bigoted against Muslims, making up nonsense about Muslims, declaring Islam a unique threat. Two of the commonest bigotries in our country today are anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. (Ziganophobia is up there too.)
Some British muslims blow stuff up. Some gypies living in Britain steal. What bad thing do you think some British Jews do? Do enlighten us.
What’s that got to do with the price of fish? Bigotry is not justified by the actions of a few individuals. Do you really think it’s fine for people to be bigoted against a group because a few individuals in that group have behaved poorly?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?
Islamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?
In case you missed the distinction; I said fear of Islam, you said fear of Muslims
Not the same thing
You appear to still be stuck reading “Islamophobia” based on its etymology, rather than on how the word is actually used. I don’t know how to help you get past this misunderstanding.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?
Islamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?
In case you missed the distinction; I said fear of Islam, you said fear of Muslims
Not the same thing
You appear to still be stuck reading “Islamophobia” based on its etymology, rather than on how the word is actually used. I don’t know how to help you get past this misunderstanding.
Maybe there needs to be a new word for fear of Islam, that isn’t about hatred of Muslims.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?
Islamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?
In case you missed the distinction; I said fear of Islam, you said fear of Muslims
Not the same thing
You appear to still be stuck reading “Islamophobia” based on its etymology, rather than on how the word is actually used. I don’t know how to help you get past this misunderstanding.
How many of the Islamists on the Islamophobia committee believe that fearing Islam and criticising the Quran is A OK?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?
Islamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?
So is fear of Islam equivalent to your definition of Islamophobia?
Can I fear Islam and still love Muslims, without falling foul of your side's latest fascist definition?
PS Please don't Starmer me again
No, fear of Islam is not a good definition of “Islamophobia”. If you actually care about what’s happening, rather than your own paranoia, you can look at the government’s working group’s document on what they mean by “Islamophobia”: https://mhclgmedia.blog.gov.uk/2025/07/07/islamophobia-working-group-definition/ What they mean, to put it simply, is anti-Muslim hatred.
The report also says: “We are absolutely committed to defending freedom of speech, and any proposed definition must be compatible with the right to freedom of speech and expression.”
Your first sentence is so 1984
Words only mean what we say they mean
Etymology must die
Yes, that is how words work.
Do you think “sarcastic” means “it tears the flesh off someone”?
Do you think “nice” means “ignorant”?
Do you think December is the tenth month of the year?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?
Islamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?
So is fear of Islam equivalent to your definition of Islamophobia?
Can I fear Islam and still love Muslims, without falling foul of your side's latest fascist definition?
PS Please don't Starmer me again
No, fear of Islam is not a good definition of “Islamophobia”. If you actually care about what’s happening, rather than your own paranoia, you can look at the government’s working group’s document on what they mean by “Islamophobia”: https://mhclgmedia.blog.gov.uk/2025/07/07/islamophobia-working-group-definition/ What they mean, to put it simply, is anti-Muslim hatred.
The report also says: “We are absolutely committed to defending freedom of speech, and any proposed definition must be compatible with the right to freedom of speech and expression.”
Your first sentence is so 1984
Words only mean what we say they mean
Etymology must die
Yes, that is how words work.
Do you think “sarcastic” means “it tears the flesh off someone”?
Do you think “nice” means “ignorant”?
Do you think December is the tenth month of the year?
Both of the first two for sure
And December was named when there were only ten months
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?
Islamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?
In case you missed the distinction; I said fear of Islam, you said fear of Muslims
Not the same thing
You appear to still be stuck reading “Islamophobia” based on its etymology, rather than on how the word is actually used. I don’t know how to help you get past this misunderstanding.
How many of the Islamists on the Islamophobia committee believe that fearing Islam and criticising the Quran is A OK?
There are no Islamists on the committee.
The committee has said, as I quoted earlier: “We are absolutely committed to defending freedom of speech, and any proposed definition must be compatible with the right to freedom of speech and expression.”
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
It's linguistic misdirection. Bit like 'ALL lives matter'. Sounds fine on the face of it but is usually code for opposition to the (antiracist) sentiment of the original.
I'd be happy to replace Islamophobia with the term Anti-Muslim Prejudice - defined as negative stereotyping of the world's 2 billion muslims and propagation of the irrational notion that the UK risks being colonised by them and their religion.
That way you'd catch the racists but not those people whose concern is restricted to Islamic fundamentalism and its followers.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?
Islamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?
So is fear of Islam equivalent to your definition of Islamophobia?
Can I fear Islam and still love Muslims, without falling foul of your side's latest fascist definition?
PS Please don't Starmer me again
No, fear of Islam is not a good definition of “Islamophobia”. If you actually care about what’s happening, rather than your own paranoia, you can look at the government’s working group’s document on what they mean by “Islamophobia”: https://mhclgmedia.blog.gov.uk/2025/07/07/islamophobia-working-group-definition/ What they mean, to put it simply, is anti-Muslim hatred.
The report also says: “We are absolutely committed to defending freedom of speech, and any proposed definition must be compatible with the right to freedom of speech and expression.”
Your first sentence is so 1984
Words only mean what we say they mean
Etymology must die
Yes, that is how words work.
Do you think “sarcastic” means “it tears the flesh off someone”?
Do you think “nice” means “ignorant”?
Do you think December is the tenth month of the year?
Both of the first two for sure
And December was named when there were only ten months
At this point you are just being deliberately stupid.
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
Timothy must go?
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?
My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam
That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.
Phobia has a clinical definition
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?
Islamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?
So is fear of Islam equivalent to your definition of Islamophobia?
Can I fear Islam and still love Muslims, without falling foul of your side's latest fascist definition?
PS Please don't Starmer me again
No, fear of Islam is not a good definition of “Islamophobia”. If you actually care about what’s happening, rather than your own paranoia, you can look at the government’s working group’s document on what they mean by “Islamophobia”: https://mhclgmedia.blog.gov.uk/2025/07/07/islamophobia-working-group-definition/ What they mean, to put it simply, is anti-Muslim hatred.
The report also says: “We are absolutely committed to defending freedom of speech, and any proposed definition must be compatible with the right to freedom of speech and expression.”
Your first sentence is so 1984
Words only mean what we say they mean
Etymology must die
Yes, that is how words work.
Do you think “sarcastic” means “it tears the flesh off someone”?
Do you think “nice” means “ignorant”?
Do you think December is the tenth month of the year?
Both of the first two for sure
And December was named when there were only ten months
Blanche, I’m sure you’re a lovely person, but if you are going around believing the word “nice” means “ignorant”, then I don’t see how it is possible to have any sort of reasoned conversation with you.
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I mean one that doesn’t teach the literal word of Mohammed in the only Quran
https://the.ismaili/gb/en/about/ismaili-community
Ismaili Muslims interpret much of the Koran allegorically rather than literally, much as Christians do with the Bible.
There is a bill stalled in the Lords to legalise murder of the terminally ill too.
They're an exception to prove the rule
I bet only Muslims hate the Ismaliis
2024 19000 potential victims reported, victims 23% British nationals, 31% minors, 74% male.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/modern-slavery-nrm-and-dtn-statistics-end-of-year-summary-2024/modern-slavery-national-referral-mechanism-and-duty-to-notify-statistics-uk-end-of-year-summary-2024
In practice a lot of the Koran is interpreted allegorically by mainstream Muslims in other sects.
She was EXQUISITELY beautiful, in this unique, china-doll kinda way. She's tiny
QatarEnergy Statement on Missile Attacks on Ras Laffan Industrial City
QatarEnergy confirms that Ras Laffan Industrial City this evening has been the subject of missile attacks.
Emergency response teams were deployed immediately to contain the resulting fires, as extensive damage has been caused. All personnel have been accounted for and no casualties have been reported at this time.
QatarEnergy will continue to communicate the latest available information.
@EdConwaySky
Very, very bad news.
As I wrote in Material World, Ras Laffan is one of the most important industrial sites not just in the Gulf but in the world. LNG, helium, other products. Massive.
Whatever happens next, serious damage to this site could reverberate for months, maybe years.
https://x.com/EdConwaySky/status/2034371992019681469?s=20
Bruno Maçães
@MacaesBruno
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31m
Situation may soon become critical. Brent at 112. All tools to control prices have been used up. Some manipulation in futures market but can’t continue or trust will break down. Major hits on supply still to come
https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/2034373479072481439
The legal, humane termination of someone's suffering at their own request would be neither unlawful nor having malice aforethought.
NHS anti-racism latest
A Jewish employee was "investigated for 'Zionist beliefs', including posts celebrating Jewish festivals. A black friend who spoke up for her was smeared as a 'coconut', and a supportive Muslim branded a 'disgrace to her religion'”
Hardly unprecedented.
It means submission
You don’t get to guide Islam in your whimsical ways; you submit, or else
I have advised a number of my colleagues with PR to get on with getting their citizenship. There's an ill wind coming for them otherwise.
Oman’s Foreign Minister Badr Albusaidi — who mediated the most recent nuclear talks— writes a piece in The Economist arguing the US “has lost control of its own foreign policy.”
https://x.com/annmarie/status/2034382957046030489?s=20
The levels of denial on this site are ridic. Islam is NOT like Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, it is way more aggressive, intolerant and imperialist. It is a religion of conquest, that's in its DNA, and - unlike other religions - it has never been moderated by an Enlightenment. Just be honest, you know this is true
WOW: DOJ redactions hid key details about Trump’s Epstein ties — and Rep. Dan Goldman just revealed what they were trying to cover up.
In the unredacted document shown today by Goldman, we can now read the full notes from a 2009 conversation involving Jeffrey Epstein and Trump’s attorneys. 1/
Here’s what stands out:
Trump’s own attorney set the record straight on whether Epstein was ever expelled from Mar-a-Lago. He admitted: "No [Epstein] was not a member. May have been a guest. Never asked to leave."
Mar-a-Lago's manager also confirmed that Epstein was never asked to leave. 2/
The notes reference Trump being on Epstein’s plane, contradicting public denials.
It confirms Trump had interactions connected to Epstein’s world, far beyond what he has repeatedly claimed. Trump: "I may have been [at Epstein's house] with my wife" 3/
https://bsky.app/profile/meidastouch.com/post/3mhefs6u5us2l
Not looking so hot for most of the other clubs, besides Arsenal.
I mean the cognitive dissonance on the left is reaching completely ridiculous proportions as they contort themselves into ever more unlikely positions to avoid the ultimate shame of being called a racist.
i bet it all on "will the strait of hormuz open by april" on polymarket. desperate, i launch a solo mission to open the strait. piloting a boat down the persian gulf, i immediately get blown up by a mine and die. "first person to get blown up by a mine in the strait of hormuz" pays out on march 31st
Moderate Islam is a noble faith, which threatens few. Conservative or radical Islam is disturbing and tends to the dangerous and evil. It is the difference between importing Christian Democrat patriotic Germans, and actual Nazis, in the 1930s
Trump’s one-time pick to lead the BLS
@RealEJAntoni
to the FT: “I don’t think this is an economy that is going to be able to handle $100 a barrel for oil, it’s just not… The economy is weaker than we thought it was, and inflation is worse than we thought it was.”
https://x.com/annmarie/status/2034385712540262412?s=20
Iran is firing MORE and they are hitting MORE per shot than during the first days of the conflict.
Not good..
https://x.com/AndreasSteno/status/2034357635256922473?s=20
All they have to do is look at the history of the leftists and feminists that allied with Ayatollah Khomenei in the Iranian Revolution. They enabled and celebrated his victory, but as soon as he won, he had them all slaughtered. On industrial scale. Literally rounds and rounds of firing squads, many thousands died, and tens of thousands have died, since
The newspaper reports that Trump supported the strike with the intent to send a message to Iran over the Strait of Hormuz, but is now against further such attacks.
All.Over.The.Place.
Congratulations to all the morons who voted for Trump .
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
https://www.btp.police.uk/police-forces/british-transport-police/areas/about-us/about-us/our-history/london-bombings-of-2005/
But the only religion that poses a threat everywhere and worldwide is Islam, in its conservative guise. This is a sad but unavoidable truth. This is why no one wants to move to Islamic countries (with the noble exception of the UAE, now sadly threatened). They are despised as fearful places that repress women, even if they are wealthy
And, again, this is well known in moderate Muslim countries, like the Stans in central Asia. They are all-too-aware of the problem. Hence their banning of the burqa, official licensing of imams, prohibition of Islamic political parties, etc
And moving goalposts is something governments often do.
See student debt or state pension ages one example.
Sometimes moving goalposts is either economically necessary or morally right.
For the record, the president of the United States is now simultaneously claiming that he has won the war, is currently winning the war, needs help to win the war, and needs no help to win the war. All to destroy the nuclear program he claims to have already destroyed last year.
https://x.com/Daractenus/status/2034318349820191096?s=20
You're just quite fucking dim? Aren't you?
And you were on the government sub-committee of SAGE. Explains a lot
There have been 7 deaths in Great Britain from terrorist attacks since 1 Jan 2020, so about 1 a year. About 4-5 people are killed by cows each year. Don’t be afraid of terrorists, of any sort. Be afraid of cows.
And is it not possible to have that rational fear and to still love Muslim people?
Probably.. but you know what I mean
Shirley Williams criticising the Rushdie knighthood on Question Time and getting widely applauded was a real eye opening moment for me.
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I watched Curb Your Enthusiasm, and I want a Fatwah so that I can get laid
I can't believe that they got Salman to say that for jokes
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Why might we need the government to take some sort of action around Islamophobia? Well, look at this thread and the half a dozen people being very bigoted against Muslims, making up nonsense about Muslims, declaring Islam a unique threat. Two of the commonest bigotries in our country today are anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. (Ziganophobia is up there too.)
Can I fear Islam and still love Muslims, without falling foul of your side's latest fascist definition?
PS Please don't Starmer me again
Not the same thing
The report also says: “We are absolutely committed to defending freedom of speech, and any proposed definition must be compatible with the right to freedom of speech and expression.”
Words only mean what we say they mean
Etymology must die
Do you think “sarcastic” means “it tears the flesh off someone”?
Do you think “nice” means “ignorant”?
Do you think December is the tenth month of the year?
And December was named when there were only ten months
Genocide has recently died
The committee has said, as I quoted earlier: “We are absolutely committed to defending freedom of speech, and any proposed definition must be compatible with the right to freedom of speech and expression.”
I'd be happy to replace Islamophobia with the term Anti-Muslim Prejudice - defined as negative stereotyping of the world's 2 billion muslims and propagation of the irrational notion that the UK risks being colonised by them and their religion.
That way you'd catch the racists but not those people whose concern is restricted to Islamic fundamentalism and its followers.
Is any of that criticism not Islamophobic?