Pity it's not been done in the 15 years since devolution. Yet we are asked to believe it will suddenly happen with independence. Colour me sceptical.....
The North Karelia project is possibly the best public health project of modern times. There is nothing in it that is not already possible in devolved Scotland, apart from the political will.
Games host Glasgow shown to have worst life expectancy in UK Office for National Statistics finds just 75% of boys and 85% of girls in Scottish city can expect to reach their 65th birthday
Deprivation - though important - is not the only factor.
Glasgow's health stats are an absolute tragedy. And yes, many factors. I kind of think independence might be an opportunity for cultural change in the west of scotland which might start to change things. (Finland managed to turn around its similarly poor health stats in the 70s (I think) so it can be done)
Whom is the "last refuge of the people" to who you are referring Carnyx?
The NHS - see SeanT's original post.
And if it was sleekit that was the other problem, my apologies - I will provide translations in future. In this context: sly, cunning.
I'd only heard sleekit in the Burns sense.....you learn something new every day!
Good to see Scots can "decline" (sic) just like English.....
Not many Scots that would not understand and know what sleekit meant. There is no decline and it is in common use in Scotland , you have been ensconced down south for too long , hard to imagine any Scottish person not knowing sleekit meaning.
Oh, the "more Scottish than thou card"! How original!
If you had studied linguistics you'd know that there is regional variation in usage. But I'm guessing you haven't, so you don't.....
Games host Glasgow shown to have worst life expectancy in UK Office for National Statistics finds just 75% of boys and 85% of girls in Scottish city can expect to reach their 65th birthday
Deprivation - though important - is not the only factor.
I kind of think independence might be an opportunity for cultural change in the west of scotland which might start to change things. (Finland managed to turn around its similarly poor health stats in the 70s (I think) so it can be done)
Why does that require independence? You've already got a separate health service, and responsibility for health has been devolved since 1999 - if you haven't started to turn it around in the last 15 years, why should you expect to in the next?
I fear too many use the "if only we were independent" crutch to avoid looking themselves in the mirror. It's been too easy to blame "Westminster" or "the Tories". Physician - heal thyself!
It is not just the health service , it needs independence so that proper social policies can be implemented to change the whole culture and system currently in place. This can never be achieved whilst just receiving pocket money from Westminster.
I think you would be on stronger ground advocating smarter spending rather than just more spending.
I never mentioned more spending , again it is just your unionist bias coming through. I said they needed to to introduce different social policies to improve things, no mention of just throwing money at it, that is just your Tory viewpoint.
And as Foxinsoxsuk has pointed out, the North Kerela project could have been implemented in devolved Scotland - but the parties in power - Lab, Lib and SNP lacked the political will - you can't blame the Tories for that!
One of the more interesting features of the North Karelia project was to get communities to compete against each other to meet public health targets. So the community with the lower cholesterol and smoking levels gets the new facility.
Perhaps the Glasgow equivalent would be to give ten million Scottish pounds to the football supporters club that most improves its health stats. If this was done each year the supporters would be much fitter and clubs much better financed. Everyone a winner...
Pity it's not been done in the 15 years since devolution. Yet we are asked to believe it will suddenly happen with independence. Colour me sceptical.....
The North Karelia project is possibly the best public health project of modern times. There is nothing in it that is not already possible in devolved Scotland, apart from the political will.
Games host Glasgow shown to have worst life expectancy in UK Office for National Statistics finds just 75% of boys and 85% of girls in Scottish city can expect to reach their 65th birthday
Deprivation - though important - is not the only factor.
Glasgow's health stats are an absolute tragedy. And yes, many factors. I kind of think independence might be an opportunity for cultural change in the west of scotland which might start to change things. (Finland managed to turn around its similarly poor health stats in the 70s (I think) so it can be done)
Whom is the "last refuge of the people" to who you are referring Carnyx?
The NHS - see SeanT's original post.
And if it was sleekit that was the other problem, my apologies - I will provide translations in future. In this context: sly, cunning.
I'd only heard sleekit in the Burns sense.....you learn something new every day!
Good to see Scots can "decline" (sic) just like English.....
Not many Scots that would not understand and know what sleekit meant. There is no decline and it is in common use in Scotland , you have been ensconced down south for too long , hard to imagine any Scottish person not knowing sleekit meaning.
Oh, the "more Scottish than thou card"! How original!
If you had studied linguistics you'd know that there is regional variation in usage. But I'm guessing you haven't, so you don't.....
I would be amazed at any Scottish person not familiar with sleekit , the Burns connection alone would mean that most people would know it. It may be an Ayrshire word but doubt that very much. You obviously have some issues with your "Scottish" persona mind you, you doth protest too much at times.
Games host Glasgow shown to have worst life expectancy in UK Office for National Statistics finds just 75% of boys and 85% of girls in Scottish city can expect to reach their 65th birthday
Deprivation - though important - is not the only factor.
I kind of think independence might be an opportunity for cultural change in the west of scotland which might start to change things. (Finland managed to turn around its similarly poor health stats in the 70s (I think) so it can be done)
Why does that require independence? You've already got a separate health service, and responsibility for health has been devolved since 1999 - if you haven't started to turn it around in the last 15 years, why should you expect to in the next?
I fear too many use the "if only we were independent" crutch to avoid looking themselves in the mirror. It's been too easy to blame "Westminster" or "the Tories". Physician - heal thyself!
It is not just the health service , it needs independence so that proper social policies can be implemented to change the whole culture and system currently in place. This can never be achieved whilst just receiving pocket money from Westminster.
I think you would be on stronger ground advocating smarter spending rather than just more spending.
I never mentioned more spending , again it is just your unionist bias coming through. I said they needed to to introduce different social policies to improve things, no mention of just throwing money at it, that is just your Tory viewpoint.
And as Foxinsoxsuk has pointed out, the North Kerela project could have been implemented in devolved Scotland - but the parties in power - Lab, Lib and SNP lacked the political will - you can't blame the Tories for that!
If it was as simple as implementing a simple competition with a money prize I think it would have been done by now. The issue is far more complex and much harder to fix than that, though I can see why a Tory would think that just offering a few prizes would solve all the issues, just add that they should all eat cake and he bingo we are in paradise.
Actually Sean, was Rachel born and raised in London and then moved to Cornwall, if so she is a proper Londoner! No help to the plot but guaranteed to wind you up!
It was just part of the project, but a significant one. Another major part was that all the communiteas recognised that there was a problem that needed fixing.
Scotland seems to lack that insight and will.
It is all too difficult with those pesky English in the way. In Alexs land of milk and honey.it will all be easy. Yeah, right!
Games host Glasgow shown to have worst life expectancy in UK Office for National Statistics finds just 75% of boys and 85% of girls in Scottish city can expect to reach their 65th birthday
Deprivation - though important - is not the only factor.
I kind of think independence might be an opportunity for cultural change in the west of scotland which might start to change things. (Finland managed to turn around its similarly poor health stats in the 70s (I think) so it can be done)
Why does that require independence? You've already got a separate health service, and responsibility for health has been devolved since 1999 - if you haven't started to turn it around in the last 15 years, why should you expect to in the next?
I fear too many use the "if only we were independent" crutch to avoid looking themselves in the mirror. It's been too easy to blame "Westminster" or "the Tories". Physician - heal thyself!
It n be implemented to change the whole culture and system currently in place. This can never be achieved whilst just receiving pocket money from Westminster.
I think you would be on stronger ground advocating smarter spending rather than just more spending.
I never mentioned more spending , again it is just your unionist bias coming through. I said they needed to to introduce different social policies to improve things, no mention of just throwing money at it, that is just your Tory viewpoint.
And as Foxinsoxsuk has pointed out, the North Kerela project could have been implemented in devolved Scotland - but the parties in power - Lab, Lib and SNP lacked the political will - you can't blame the Tories for that!
If it was as simple as implementing a simple competition with a money prize I think it would have been done by now. The issue is far more complex and much harder to fix than that, though I can see why a Tory would think that just offering a few prizes would solve all the issues, just add that they should all eat cake and he bingo we are in paradise.
It was just part of the project, but a significant one. Another major part was that all the communiteas recognised that there was a problem that needed fixing.
Scotland seems to lack that insight and will.
It is all too difficult with those pesky English in the way. In Alexs land of milk and honey.it will all be easy. Yeah, right!
Games host Glasgow shown to have worst life expectancy in UK Office for National Statistics finds just 75% of boys and 85% of girls in Scottish city can expect to reach their 65th birthday
Deprivation - though important - is not the only factor.
Why does that require independence? You've already got a separate health service, and responsibility for health has been devolved since 1999 - if you haven't started to turn it around in the last 15 years, why should you expect to in the next?
I think you would be on stronger ground advocating smarter spending rather than just more spending.
I never mentioned more spending , again it is just your unionist bias coming through. I said they needed to to introduce different social policies to improve things, no mention of just throwing money at it, that is just your Tory viewpoint.
And as Foxinsoxsuk has pointed out, the North Kerela project could have been implemented in devolved Scotland - but the parties in power - Lab, Lib and SNP lacked the political will - you can't blame the Tories for that!
If it was as simple as implementing a simple competition with a money prize I think it would have been done by now. The issue is far more complex and much harder to fix than that, though I can see why a Tory would think that just offering a few prizes would solve all the issues, just add that they should all eat cake and he bingo we are in paradise.
Yeah , we could then be like England and be living in the land of milk and honey, if you compare the poor areas of Glasgow with the poorest areas of England I think you will find the difference is not very significant. Compare Surrey with Bearsden or similar and you will also find little difference. Carlotta's fixation on doing down Scotland and your opinion that Scotland is crap colour your arguments. As I said pompous know all opinions are of little help.
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If you had studied linguistics you'd know that there is regional variation in usage. But I'm guessing you haven't, so you don't.....
Perhaps the Glasgow equivalent would be to give ten million Scottish pounds to the football supporters club that most improves its health stats. If this was done each year the supporters would be much fitter and clubs much better financed. Everyone a winner...
Ed Davey’s claim that Scottish energy bills would rise after independence is a fantasy
http://caledonianmercury.com/2014/04/18/ed-daveys-claim-scottish-energy-bills-rise-independence-fantasy/0045434
2) Mother deeply resents her son as she was in love with another man but birth of son put an end to that.
Scotland seems to lack that insight and will.
It is all too difficult with those pesky English in the way. In Alexs land of milk and honey.it will all be easy. Yeah, right!
Compare Surrey with Bearsden or similar and you will also find little difference.
Carlotta's fixation on doing down Scotland and your opinion that Scotland is crap colour your arguments. As I said pompous know all opinions are of little help.