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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,754
    FF43 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Spoiler: it wasn't Starmer.
    I am not sure it was Badenoch either, and Davy was unusually Shi'ite too.
    I just realised. Kemi Badenoch is the Jeremy Corbyn of the Conservative Party. Sympathetic towards actors hostile to our country; give tacit support to sectarianism; never stray outside their partisan comfort zones; never make a hard decision.
    Israel is certainly not hostile to the UK
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,624
    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    Good news for Cumberland, Westmorland, Cumbrians and Wordsworth fans. Wordsworth Trust has bought Rydal Mount, where he lived for 37 years.

    It's the house where Keats knocked on the door in June 1818 but Wordsworth was out.....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kgkzljk33o

    Good news, indeed!

    When we were in Grasmere the other day the only Wordsworthian property open was Allan Bank (Nat Trust). The other three (Cockermouth, Dove Cottage, and Rydal Mount) all closed for one reason or another.

    Question - does anyone else have as many as four properties devoted to their memory as Wordsworth does?

    Apparently, WW disliked Allan Bank as it was too big, too cold, and required two servants to be habitable. Also Coleridge by that time was proving a less than congenial housemate probably due to his laudanum intake and unhappy lovelife. (Sounds a bit like an unrehabilitated @leon)
    Worth a visit but very little authentic memorabilia, although WW did write his guide to the Lake District there. Most of the imperishable poetry happened at Dove Cottage.
    Grasmere church is always worth a visit, where WW is buried and where you can contemplate his unique description of its equally unique roof:

    "...the roof upheld
    By naked rafters intricately crossed,
    Like leafless underboughs, in some thick wood,
    All withered by the depth of shade above".
    Yep. Gets a mention in Simon Jenkins's "England's 1000 Best Churches" on account of the Wordsworth association and the weird exposed roof beams. Good book that, by the way - sometimes plan my travels to take into a church or two that he recommends.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,558
    Has anyone bought a Macbook Neo? I'd be interested to know what the verdict is on them.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,474

    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    .

    Dura_Ace said:

    FF43 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer struggled much more again when its Mandelson week. You can draw your own conclusions about why and what that means may be coming out, but it seems to be THE achilles heel

    No body is interested in Mandelson

    He answered
    He apologised

    A shame Badenoch thinks that is the only issue people are interested in

    No one is.
    Starmer appointed Mandelson and the others didn't, so he's vulnerable. Not changed by an element of "seemed like a good idea at the time". Plenty of us on here, including myself as I recall, thought there was some logic to appointing a turd to deal with The Turd, but we're keeping quiet about it now.
    At the time I don't recall anyone on here saying that Mandy is a c-nt who was basically Epstein's cabana boy so why are we giving him the keys to Massachusetts Ave?
    Starmer can't admit to the truth that Mandelson was chosen specifically for his guile. At what level of degeneracy does crafty fox turn into morally unacceptable? If the person turns out to be knee deep with an industrial level paedophile obviously. I assume Starmer wasn't aware how deep that connection, but I admit I haven't been following closely.

    Incidentally I can think of at least two or three other commentators here who thought the Mandelson appointment somewhat astute.
    I have to admit that, at the time, I thought it was a good idea. Mandelson has proved several times that he's as bent as a fiddlers elbow, but on the other hand he was going to be dealing with Trump, with whom he apparently got on.Takes one to know one and all that!

    I don't recall a great deal of fuss about Epstein at the time, except as an associate of he who is now known as AM-W, and an 'introducer' to the same, of young women.

    Over the months more and more information has come to light about the depravity of Epstein and his associates, much of which Mandelson had, wisely, not talked about much.

    When fuller facts, and I think there's much more yet, came to light Starmer realised his error and took appropriate action.
    These things are coming to light to us, the general public, now, but they were already known to the PM when he appointed Mandelson against official advice.

    The story isn’t any more about Mandelson and Epstein, it’s about Starmer and his judgement.
    Starmer should certainly have known about some of the Mandelson/Epstein involvement. If he didn't, then what is our Secret Service doing? But there has to be an element of 'when there facts change, I change my opinion'.
    I'm not saying it's not a mess, and one which Starmer surely wishes he'd avoided. Haven't we all (well, those of us who've had to make decisions) been there though?
    I know I have!
    “ Starmer should certainly have known about some of the Mandelson/Epstein involvement. If he didn't, then what is our Secret Service doing?”

    Who did our secret services come up with as idea person to have in there, and report back to them?
    Such dirty work.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,889

    Taz said:

    ‘BREAKING: Iran has issued an order to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE to evacuate energy facilities following Israeli strikes on Iran's largest gas facility.‘


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2034273397308342498?s=61


    This was just seems to be aimless hammering of the energy infrastructure either side of the sea.

    We are all paying the price for it.

    You ain't seen nothing on price yet.
    I’m so glad I did a 18 month fix in mid Feb!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,742

    On Iran, President Masoud Pezeshkian seems to be the only member of the erstwhile leadership team left alive. Is that because 1) he's got such limited power that Israel doesn't see him as worth the expenditure of another missile? Or 2) he's a Mossad agent?

    The Ben Gurion Candidate
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,624
    Scott_xP said:

    Kristi Noem got fired after embarrassing Trump in a senate hearing

    Tulsi Gabbard is doing her best to repeat the effect

    Well, if Tulsi gets fired she can comfortably retire to one of VVP's dachas by the Black Sea. (Hopefully within drone strike range of Ukraine)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,159
    Oh dear. It's racist o clock on here.

    Leon patted down the Islamaphobic sand and placed the ball at a 45' angle in eager anticipation someone would kick it straight and true through the posts.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,605
    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone bought a Macbook Neo? I'd be interested to know what the verdict is on them.

    From the reviews so far, they’re the best laptop you can buy for the price. A genuine gamechanger for the budget laptop industry.

    As an IT professional, it’s now the default recommendation for friends and family asking about a ‘home’ laptop rather than a ‘work’ laptop.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,474

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer struggled much more again when its Mandelson week. You can draw your own conclusions about why and what that means may be coming out, but it seems to be THE achilles heel

    No body is interested in Mandelson

    He answered
    He apologised

    A shame Badenoch thinks that is the only issue people are interested in

    No one is.
    Panic response
    Kemi asked 3 times “did you speak to Mandy before appointing him” and each time Starmer did not answer the question.
    Then Kemi said “the evasion all points to the fact YOU DIDN’T speak to him yourself, before appointing him”

    Wait! Does it? Does evasion point to the fact he didn’t?

    I thought the evasion was all pointing to the fact he had spoken to him before appointment, to be honest. That - speaking to Mandy himself and getting answer he had met with Epstein after the conviction - surely is where the damage and danger is to Starmer.

    I think Kemi dropped the ball.
    Stsrmer has put on record in the house that Mandelson lied to him personally.
    If she gets him to admit he did not speak to him its misleading the house time.

    Thats the point of it i think
    It’s an odd way for her to do it, answering the question herself, with her belief it was the opposite of what the truth is, opposite to where the danger to Starmer is.

    Nah. She dropped the ball.
    His obvious answered should be, which one of the hundreds of conversations I've had with Peter on hundreds of issues over 20 years does she specifically want me to comments on.

    You want to tie Starmer that close to Mandelson and somehow that helps him
    No Tory has never had an acquaintance with a paedo?

    Mandelson has been a major Labour political figure for 30 years

    Your point is?
    If you can't see the connection to your suggestion then you are oblivious to what you are writing

    The expression you protest too much

    Starmer had a nightmare today
    Questions smoking out how rubbish Labour are on cost of living would have been a more triumphant PMQs for Kemi IMHO.

    I still think, learning from history, 6 questions on Mandelson was wasted approach.
    in the history books on Mandelson leaving government for mortgage fraud, all the pressure put on Tony Blair for whopping error of judgement, all the fun Lord Richmond and the media had ripping Blair’s credibility to shreds… but then look at the final result in 2001 GE. 🤷‍♀️

    Kemi’s Tory’s need to put on votes at PMQs, and the way to do that is how Labour do nothing or next to nothing on the cost of living. Look at the Daily Express today, look what they gave Kemi to attack with
    Labour policies taking 40K from households during cost of living crisis is awful.


    Is the fear here, Kemi goes on Mandelson again and again because she can’t mention Cost of Living ever again because the error she has made backing Trump’s war? ☹️
    Why are you liking this post Brixian?

    Labour been in two years, and have appalling record on cost of living, is why it’s losing one and a half thousand councillors in a few weeks time in an extra special stuffing.

    Do you think UK tax rates are too low, and there’s plenty of leeway for more tax and spend?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,677
    Oil up, equities down.

    Have Trump and the ayatollahs had more disagreement ?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,702
    Is “Keir from the Leisure Centre” misandry?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,159

    Taz said:

    ‘BREAKING: Iran has issued an order to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE to evacuate energy facilities following Israeli strikes on Iran's largest gas facility.‘


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2034273397308342498?s=61


    This was just seems to be aimless hammering of the energy infrastructure either side of the sea.

    We are all paying the price for it.

    You ain't seen nothing on price yet.
    Rachel from accounts fans please explain.
    I refer the rigged dishonourable gentleman to the image I posted some minutes ago.
    I was channeling my inner PB. I wouldn't dream of being such a Trumpian misogynist in reality.

    Rachel from accounts is rather a disgusting slur on the "fairer sex". Anyway, would you mind getting back to that basket of laundry that needs ironing?
    A man is more than capable of hunting and gathering his clothes from the utility room, and if wants crease’s out, using the simplest of machinery to achieve this.
    Right on sister. Before I was married* I had a Corby trousers press.

    * I'm joking I do all my own ironing. Although isn't this ironing free BryNylon marvellous stuff!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,181

    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Agree it was poor

    1 0 Starmer though as Nick Timothy is fatally wounded.
    She’s not going to sack Nick Timothy for expressing an obvious truth
    But it's bollocks. People praying freely is not an "act of domination" unless one is some sort of weirdo banging on about an Open Iftar event and how unpatriotic that would be, and looking for clicks/ likes. We had one on here last evening. Can't remember which dreary poster it was though.
    It's the complete truth, even you know it. The difference is that up until now no one has been brave enough to say it. Nick Timothy has decided to speak out. Well done him

    Nick Timothy gets serious death threats for his pains, which rather proves his point

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TU_6INmxfsU
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,893
    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone bought a Macbook Neo? I'd be interested to know what the verdict is on them.

    Haven't bought one, but I enjoyed this review

    https://samhenri.gold/blog/20260312-this-is-not-the-computer-for-you/
  • PhilPhil Posts: 3,197
    Pulpstar said:

    Oil up, equities down.

    Have Trump and the ayatollahs had more disagreement ?

    Even gold has dropped. Oil & Corn are up, everything else is down. Energy crisis incoming? :(
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,159
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Agree it was poor

    1 0 Starmer though as Nick Timothy is fatally wounded.
    She’s not going to sack Nick Timothy for expressing an obvious truth
    But it's bollocks. People praying freely is not an "act of domination" unless one is some sort of weirdo banging on about an Open Iftar event and how unpatriotic that would be, and looking for clicks/ likes. We had one on here last evening. Can't remember which dreary poster it was though.
    It's the complete truth, even you know it. The difference is that up until now no one has been brave enough to say it. Nick Timothy has decided to speak out. Well done him

    Nick Timothy gets serious death threats for his pains, which rather proves his point

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TU_6INmxfsU
    Oh behave. You as one of our foremost print journalists should know that unhinged threats come from all sides. And all should be condemned equally.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,702
    Ironing is much eased as a chore by turning sleeves and trouser legs inside out and back again before hanging them up to dry; takes out loads of the creases. If using a tumble dryer, just dry the clothes for ironing in smaller batches, and don’t leave them lying in the dryer. Spray starch makes shirts look smarter
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,181
    edited 3:48PM
    Scott_xP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone bought a Macbook Neo? I'd be interested to know what the verdict is on them.

    Haven't bought one, but I enjoyed this review

    https://samhenri.gold/blog/20260312-this-is-not-the-computer-for-you/
    I bought two Surface laptops recently. The big one is great, does the job perfectly. But I bought a smaller one, for travel, and I confess it is slightly frustrating. Not a disaster, but a bit fiddly (or I am getting old, and need BIG things, or both)

    However the small Surface laptop fits exquisitely inside a vintage snakeskin folder from 1940s Africa, which I found on eBay, and which attracts perplexed and admiring glances, every time I fish it out on my travels. I am SO narcissistic I am willing to tolerate the glitchy little keypad in return for these envious looks

    I guess they could all be thinking "why does that old geezer have his laptop in a weird snakeskin pouch" but that's ridic
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,068
    Pulpstar said:

    Oil up, equities down.

    Have Trump and the ayatollahs had more disagreement ?

    Oh a small matter of Israel bombing the facilities that produce about 70% of Iranian gas as well as other product including those needed for food production.

    Starvation as a weapon of war will be excused, of course.

    They know what they are doing. This is mainly down to the US.

    ‘ South Pars is the largest gas field on Earth. It produces 70 to 80 percent of Iran’s total gas output. That gas is not just fuel. It is the hydrogen feedstock for the Haber-Bosch process that synthesises ammonia, which becomes urea, which becomes the nitrogen that half the planet’s agriculture depends on. South Pars gas feeds Iranian fertiliser production at its molecular root.’

    https://x.com/shanaka86/status/2034233029439398059?s=61
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,666
    edited 3:55PM
    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-2)
    CON: 21% (+2)
    LAB: 20% (-2)
    GRN: 13% (+2)
    LDM: 12% (-1)
    SNP: 2% (=)

    Via
    @Moreincommon_
    13-16 Mar.
    Changes w/ 6-9 Mar.

    Good news for Kemi, if the local and devolved elections NEV in May is similar to that MiC she will likely survive but SKS probably won't
    Based on the swing between polls in May 2022 and polls now, the implied seats in the local are as follows:


    Yes but most of provincial England isn't having elections, so the NEV is more important than the actual seat totals, though even your chart has Labour losing more seats in May than the Tories
    Well RefUK has been losing 1.5 a week from the batch of 677 elected in May 2025 (65 in 45 weeks).

    So if we have 1609 new ones, that will be ... erm .. 1.5 x 1609/677, which is 3.6 extra Reform Councillor Defenestrations per Week (RCDW).

    I'd round up to 4 because Nigel has removed all the quality controls, and is happy to let all the previously rejected knuckle-draggers back in. Plus presumably the better ones will want to be MPs.

    But going with 3.5 makes it a very neat one per weekday in total, with a slight buffer, or 5 RCDW .

    Happy Times for @Taz !!! He'll need to go on the drink in his homemade wine cellar to escape the barrage of carrier pigeons hunting him down with the news capsules.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,997

    Dura_Ace said:

    FF43 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer struggled much more again when its Mandelson week. You can draw your own conclusions about why and what that means may be coming out, but it seems to be THE achilles heel

    No body is interested in Mandelson

    He answered
    He apologised

    A shame Badenoch thinks that is the only issue people are interested in

    No one is.
    Starmer appointed Mandelson and the others didn't, so he's vulnerable. Not changed by an element of "seemed like a good idea at the time". Plenty of us on here, including myself as I recall, thought there was some logic to appointing a turd to deal with The Turd, but we're keeping quiet about it now.
    At the time I don't recall anyone on here saying that Mandy is a c-nt who was basically Epstein's cabana boy so why are we giving him the keys to Massachusetts Ave?
    Of course commentators like Michael Gove considered Mandelson's appointment a work of genius, until it wasn't. We all knew Mandelson had ties with Epstein and Trump which is why Starmer's decision was inspired until it wasn't. Was it a good idea at the time? Probably. Was it a good idea with hindsight? Definitely not. Should Starmer fall, probably, simply because the decision was his and his alone and it blew his face off. On the other hand is Badenoch a serious politician when we are on the cusp of WW3 and she feels compelled never to mention the war?
    Only morons and fools would ever have thought it was a good idea, he was a well known roaster and should never have been let over the doorstep.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,181

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Agree it was poor

    1 0 Starmer though as Nick Timothy is fatally wounded.
    She’s not going to sack Nick Timothy for expressing an obvious truth
    But it's bollocks. People praying freely is not an "act of domination" unless one is some sort of weirdo banging on about an Open Iftar event and how unpatriotic that would be, and looking for clicks/ likes. We had one on here last evening. Can't remember which dreary poster it was though.
    It's the complete truth, even you know it. The difference is that up until now no one has been brave enough to say it. Nick Timothy has decided to speak out. Well done him

    Nick Timothy gets serious death threats for his pains, which rather proves his point

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TU_6INmxfsU
    Oh behave. You as one of our foremost print journalists should know that unhinged threats come from all sides. And all should be condemned equally.
    The last MP murdered, David Amess, was killed by an Islamist attacker. So it's not like Timothy is being all precious about his safety. He is bravely wading into dangerous territory
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,159
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone bought a Macbook Neo? I'd be interested to know what the verdict is on them.

    Haven't bought one, but I enjoyed this review

    https://samhenri.gold/blog/20260312-this-is-not-the-computer-for-you/
    I bought two Surface laptops recently. The big one is great, does the job perfectly. But I bought a smaller one, for travel, and I confess it is slightly frustrating. Not a disaster, but a bit fiddly (or I am getting old, and need BIG things, or both)

    However the small Surface laptop fits exquisitely inside a vintage snakeskin folder from 1940s Africa, which I found on eBay, and which attracts perplexed and admiring glances, every time I fish it out on my travels. I am SO narcissistic I am willing to tolerate the glitchy little keypad in return for these envious looks

    I guess they could all be thinking "why does that old geezer have his laptop in a weird snakeskin pouch" but that's ridic
    Is " weird snakeskin pouch" a euphemism? I was thinking maybe that's what the kids call a johnny these days.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,068
    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Spoiler: it wasn't Starmer.
    I am not sure it was Badenoch either, and Davy was unusually Shi'ite too.
    I just realised. Kemi Badenoch is the Jeremy Corbyn of the Conservative Party. Sympathetic towards actors hostile to our country; give tacit support to sectarianism; never stray outside their partisan comfort zones; never make a hard decision.
    Israel is certainly not hostile to the UK
    It’s hardly a great friend either.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,997

    Taz said:

    ‘BREAKING: Iran has issued an order to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE to evacuate energy facilities following Israeli strikes on Iran's largest gas facility.‘


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2034273397308342498?s=61


    This was just seems to be aimless hammering of the energy infrastructure either side of the sea.

    We are all paying the price for it.

    You ain't seen nothing on price yet.
    Rachel from accounts fans please explain.
    I refer the rigged dishonourable gentleman to the image I posted some minutes ago.
    I was channeling my inner PB. I wouldn't dream of being such a Trumpian misogynist in reality.

    Rachel from accounts is rather a disgusting slur on the "fairer sex". Anyway, would you mind getting back to that basket of laundry that needs ironing?
    Disgusting slur?!?

    If Rachel Tea Leaves were a man with the same background, she'd be Colin from Complaints
    She wouldn't.

    Kwasi from complaints? Err, never happened.
    I don’t believe that Kwasi worked in the Customer Complaints department of a retail bank immediately prior to becoming an MP
    Did Colin? ( From your previous post?)

    If he had the same background as Tea Leaves, yes
    You have moved the misogynistic comedy goal posts. I have no time for Reeves. Get rid! But Rachel from accounts is a slur specifically aimed at her not because she is useless but because she is a woman, and a woman of the left too.
    Useless is useless whether male or female
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,068
    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 28% (-2)
    CON: 21% (+2)
    LAB: 20% (-2)
    GRN: 13% (+2)
    LDM: 12% (-1)
    SNP: 2% (=)

    Via
    @Moreincommon_
    13-16 Mar.
    Changes w/ 6-9 Mar.

    Good news for Kemi, if the local and devolved elections NEV in May is similar to that MiC she will likely survive but SKS probably won't
    Based on the swing between polls in May 2022 and polls now, the implied seats in the local are as follows:


    Yes but most of provincial England isn't having elections, so the NEV is more important than the actual seat totals, though even your chart has Labour losing more seats in May than the Tories
    Well RefUK has been losing 1.5 a week from the batch of 677 elected in May 2025 (65 in 45 weeks).

    So if we have 1609 new ones, that will be ... erm .. 1.5 x 1609/677, which is 3.6 extra Reform Councillor Defenestrations per Week (DFCW).

    I'd round up to 4 because Nigel has removed all the quality controls, and is happy to let all the previously rejected knuckle-draggers back in. Plus presumably the better ones will want to be MPs.

    But going with 3.5 makes it a very neat one per weekday in total, with a slight buffer, or 5 RCDW .

    Happy Times for @Taz !!! He'll need to go on the drink in his homemade wine cellar.
    I really don’t follow any of that apart from the last sentence. My wine is in my garage. I’m not well off enough to have a cellar.

    I’m more focussed on my herb garden now.

    And I’m off booze at the moment 👍
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,390

    algarkirk said:

    Good news for Cumberland, Westmorland, Cumbrians and Wordsworth fans. Wordsworth Trust has bought Rydal Mount, where he lived for 37 years.

    It's the house where Keats knocked on the door in June 1818 but Wordsworth was out.....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kgkzljk33o

    -snip-

    Question - does anyone else have as many as four properties devoted to their memory as Wordsworth does?

    -snip-

    Robert Burns?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,181

    Ironing is much eased as a chore by turning sleeves and trouser legs inside out and back again before hanging them up to dry; takes out loads of the creases. If using a tumble dryer, just dry the clothes for ironing in smaller batches, and don’t leave them lying in the dryer. Spray starch makes shirts look smarter

    The best way to iron shirts is to take them out of the washer-dryer CAREFULLY, making sure they do not bunch up into a ball, then walk SLOWLY towards the ironing board, with the shirt draped loosely over your right arm, then walk straight past the ironing board, out the flat, down the road, and give them to a dry cleaner and say "iron all these, return them neatly folded"

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,159
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Agree it was poor

    1 0 Starmer though as Nick Timothy is fatally wounded.
    She’s not going to sack Nick Timothy for expressing an obvious truth
    But it's bollocks. People praying freely is not an "act of domination" unless one is some sort of weirdo banging on about an Open Iftar event and how unpatriotic that would be, and looking for clicks/ likes. We had one on here last evening. Can't remember which dreary poster it was though.
    It's the complete truth, even you know it. The difference is that up until now no one has been brave enough to say it. Nick Timothy has decided to speak out. Well done him

    Nick Timothy gets serious death threats for his pains, which rather proves his point

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TU_6INmxfsU
    Oh behave. You as one of our foremost print journalists should know that unhinged threats come from all sides. And all should be condemned equally.
    The last MP murdered, David Amess, was killed by an Islamist attacker. So it's not like Timothy is being all precious about his safety. He is bravely wading into dangerous territory
    And the penultimate murdered MP was executed by an extreme right wing nutter. You can frame your narrative how you wish, but that doesn't stop it being misleading.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,556

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer struggled much more again when its Mandelson week. You can draw your own conclusions about why and what that means may be coming out, but it seems to be THE achilles heel

    No body is interested in Mandelson

    He answered
    He apologised

    A shame Badenoch thinks that is the only issue people are interested in

    No one is.
    Panic response
    Kemi asked 3 times “did you speak to Mandy before appointing him” and each time Starmer did not answer the question.
    Then Kemi said “the evasion all points to the fact YOU DIDN’T speak to him yourself, before appointing him”

    Wait! Does it? Does evasion point to the fact he didn’t?

    I thought the evasion was all pointing to the fact he had spoken to him before appointment, to be honest. That - speaking to Mandy himself and getting answer he had met with Epstein after the conviction - surely is where the damage and danger is to Starmer.

    I think Kemi dropped the ball.
    Stsrmer has put on record in the house that Mandelson lied to him personally.
    If she gets him to admit he did not speak to him its misleading the house time.

    Thats the point of it i think
    It’s an odd way for her to do it, answering the question herself, with her belief it was the opposite of what the truth is, opposite to where the danger to Starmer is.

    Nah. She dropped the ball.
    His obvious answered should be, which one of the hundreds of conversations I've had with Peter on hundreds of issues over 20 years does she specifically want me to comments on.

    You want to tie Starmer that close to Mandelson and somehow that helps him
    No Tory has never had an acquaintance with a paedo?

    Mandelson has been a major Labour political figure for 30 years

    Your point is?
    If you can't see the connection to your suggestion then you are oblivious to what you are writing

    The expression you protest too much

    Starmer had a nightmare today
    Questions smoking out how rubbish Labour are on cost of living would have been a more triumphant PMQs for Kemi IMHO.

    I still think, learning from history, 6 questions on Mandelson was wasted approach.
    in the history books on Mandelson leaving government for mortgage fraud, all the pressure put on Tony Blair for whopping error of judgement, all the fun Lord Richmond and the media had ripping Blair’s credibility to shreds… but then look at the final result in 2001 GE. 🤷‍♀️

    Kemi’s Tory’s need to put on votes at PMQs, and the way to do that is how Labour do nothing or next to nothing on the cost of living. Look at the Daily Express today, look what they gave Kemi to attack with
    Labour policies taking 40K from households during cost of living crisis is awful.


    Is the fear here, Kemi goes on Mandelson again and again because she can’t mention Cost of Living ever again because the error she has made backing Trump’s war? ☹️
    Why are you liking this post Brixian?

    Labour been in two years, and have appalling record on cost of living, is why it’s losing one and a half thousand councillors in a few weeks time in an extra special stuffing.

    Do you think UK tax rates are too low, and there’s plenty of leeway for more tax and spend?
    Im agreeing with you two fold

    LOTO was a disaster today

    Labour first budget was a disaster. It was a disaster mainly because of McSweeney and his ming case.

    Until 4 weeks ago it looked like good progress could have been made in September to start to correct it.

    Unless there is a huge and quick c change on ME that is not now possible

    Thats why Starmer will continue to pin Act of War Act of Aggression on Badenoch and Farage

    Had they have PM we'd have been in middle of a far greater disaster now.

    I am no where near as tribal as some right wing posters on here. I admit mistakes if I believe they are unforgivable

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,159
    malcolmg said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    FF43 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer struggled much more again when its Mandelson week. You can draw your own conclusions about why and what that means may be coming out, but it seems to be THE achilles heel

    No body is interested in Mandelson

    He answered
    He apologised

    A shame Badenoch thinks that is the only issue people are interested in

    No one is.
    Starmer appointed Mandelson and the others didn't, so he's vulnerable. Not changed by an element of "seemed like a good idea at the time". Plenty of us on here, including myself as I recall, thought there was some logic to appointing a turd to deal with The Turd, but we're keeping quiet about it now.
    At the time I don't recall anyone on here saying that Mandy is a c-nt who was basically Epstein's cabana boy so why are we giving him the keys to Massachusetts Ave?
    Of course commentators like Michael Gove considered Mandelson's appointment a work of genius, until it wasn't. We all knew Mandelson had ties with Epstein and Trump which is why Starmer's decision was inspired until it wasn't. Was it a good idea at the time? Probably. Was it a good idea with hindsight? Definitely not. Should Starmer fall, probably, simply because the decision was his and his alone and it blew his face off. On the other hand is Badenoch a serious politician when we are on the cusp of WW3 and she feels compelled never to mention the war?
    Only morons and fools would ever have thought it was a good idea, he was a well known roaster and should never have been let over the doorstep.
    In that case "Rachel Reeves is useless" tells the story as it is. "Rachel from accounts is useless" may get a laugh from the hard of thinking but it is less effective than the former.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,181

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Agree it was poor

    1 0 Starmer though as Nick Timothy is fatally wounded.
    She’s not going to sack Nick Timothy for expressing an obvious truth
    But it's bollocks. People praying freely is not an "act of domination" unless one is some sort of weirdo banging on about an Open Iftar event and how unpatriotic that would be, and looking for clicks/ likes. We had one on here last evening. Can't remember which dreary poster it was though.
    It's the complete truth, even you know it. The difference is that up until now no one has been brave enough to say it. Nick Timothy has decided to speak out. Well done him

    Nick Timothy gets serious death threats for his pains, which rather proves his point

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TU_6INmxfsU
    Oh behave. You as one of our foremost print journalists should know that unhinged threats come from all sides. And all should be condemned equally.
    The last MP murdered, David Amess, was killed by an Islamist attacker. So it's not like Timothy is being all precious about his safety. He is bravely wading into dangerous territory
    And the penultimate murdered MP was executed by an extreme right wing nutter. You can frame your narrative how you wish, but that doesn't stop it being misleading.
    We clearly disagree mainly because you're stupid. I do not see how this can be usefully resolved, unless you become cleverer

    So I suggest we move on
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,285
    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Agree it was poor

    1 0 Starmer though as Nick Timothy is fatally wounded.
    She’s not going to sack Nick Timothy for expressing an obvious truth
    I don't see the issue with what Nick Timothy has said. Its a view many will share. I understand some Muslim clerics used to preach and pray i the road because they were denied the use of a mosque. That surely isn't the case here. Some will say its just people showing their faith, others will say its making a statement. But Timothy has a right to his opinion.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,159
    edited 4:05PM
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Agree it was poor

    1 0 Starmer though as Nick Timothy is fatally wounded.
    She’s not going to sack Nick Timothy for expressing an obvious truth
    But it's bollocks. People praying freely is not an "act of domination" unless one is some sort of weirdo banging on about an Open Iftar event and how unpatriotic that would be, and looking for clicks/ likes. We had one on here last evening. Can't remember which dreary poster it was though.
    It's the complete truth, even you know it. The difference is that up until now no one has been brave enough to say it. Nick Timothy has decided to speak out. Well done him

    Nick Timothy gets serious death threats for his pains, which rather proves his point

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TU_6INmxfsU
    Oh behave. You as one of our foremost print journalists should know that unhinged threats come from all sides. And all should be condemned equally.
    The last MP murdered, David Amess, was killed by an Islamist attacker. So it's not like Timothy is being all precious about his safety. He is bravely wading into dangerous territory
    And the penultimate murdered MP was executed by an extreme right wing nutter. You can frame your narrative how you wish, but that doesn't stop it being misleading.
    We clearly disagree mainly because you're stupid. I do not see how this can be usefully resolved, unless you become cleverer

    So I suggest we move on
    So you want to move on because I have smashed your pathetic argument out of the park.

    Anyway I have given you several "flags" for this post from each of my identities because you are so rude!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,605
    Leon said:

    Ironing is much eased as a chore by turning sleeves and trouser legs inside out and back again before hanging them up to dry; takes out loads of the creases. If using a tumble dryer, just dry the clothes for ironing in smaller batches, and don’t leave them lying in the dryer. Spray starch makes shirts look smarter

    The best way to iron shirts is to take them out of the washer-dryer CAREFULLY, making sure they do not bunch up into a ball, then walk SLOWLY towards the ironing board, with the shirt draped loosely over your right arm, then walk straight past the ironing board, out the flat, down the road, and give them to a dry cleaner and say "iron all these, return them neatly folded"

    You want your shirts folded?

    That’s the wrong way to do it, you want your shirts ironed and on hangers.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,702

    malcolmg said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    FF43 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer struggled much more again when its Mandelson week. You can draw your own conclusions about why and what that means may be coming out, but it seems to be THE achilles heel

    No body is interested in Mandelson

    He answered
    He apologised

    A shame Badenoch thinks that is the only issue people are interested in

    No one is.
    Starmer appointed Mandelson and the others didn't, so he's vulnerable. Not changed by an element of "seemed like a good idea at the time". Plenty of us on here, including myself as I recall, thought there was some logic to appointing a turd to deal with The Turd, but we're keeping quiet about it now.
    At the time I don't recall anyone on here saying that Mandy is a c-nt who was basically Epstein's cabana boy so why are we giving him the keys to Massachusetts Ave?
    Of course commentators like Michael Gove considered Mandelson's appointment a work of genius, until it wasn't. We all knew Mandelson had ties with Epstein and Trump which is why Starmer's decision was inspired until it wasn't. Was it a good idea at the time? Probably. Was it a good idea with hindsight? Definitely not. Should Starmer fall, probably, simply because the decision was his and his alone and it blew his face off. On the other hand is Badenoch a serious politician when we are on the cusp of WW3 and she feels compelled never to mention the war?
    Only morons and fools would ever have thought it was a good idea, he was a well known roaster and should never have been let over the doorstep.
    In that case "Rachel Reeves is useless" tells the story as it is. "Rachel from accounts is useless" may get a laugh from the hard of thinking but it is less effective than the former.
    I guess you weren't meaning to reply to Malc..

    What's wrong with Tea Leaves?

    It rhymes with Reeves

    It's cockney rhyming slang for thieves

    It gives a comic description of her forecasting method

  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,556

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Agree it was poor

    1 0 Starmer though as Nick Timothy is fatally wounded.
    She’s not going to sack Nick Timothy for expressing an obvious truth
    But it's bollocks. People praying freely is not an "act of domination" unless one is some sort of weirdo banging on about an Open Iftar event and how unpatriotic that would be, and looking for clicks/ likes. We had one on here last evening. Can't remember which dreary poster it was though.
    It's the complete truth, even you know it. The difference is that up until now no one has been brave enough to say it. Nick Timothy has decided to speak out. Well done him

    Nick Timothy gets serious death threats for his pains, which rather proves his point

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TU_6INmxfsU
    Oh behave. You as one of our foremost print journalists should know that unhinged threats come from all sides. And all should be condemned equally.
    The last MP murdered, David Amess, was killed by an Islamist attacker. So it's not like Timothy is being all precious about his safety. He is bravely wading into dangerous territory
    And the penultimate murdered MP was executed by an extreme right wing nutter. You can frame your narrative how you wish, but that doesn't stop it being misleading.
    Timothy knows exactly what he is doing, playing to the Reform Tommy tribe. Winding up those right wing nutters who killed Jo Cox.

    Starmer was very clever to both out him and make the point that even Tommy Robinson thought the Tories under Badenoch are scraping the barrel.

    Hard to see how Timothy can survive

    Harder to see how they appointed him in the first place.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,742

    Ironing is much eased as a chore by turning sleeves and trouser legs inside out and back again before hanging them up to dry; takes out loads of the creases. If using a tumble dryer, just dry the clothes for ironing in smaller batches, and don’t leave them lying in the dryer. Spray starch makes shirts look smarter

    WFH means no need to iron.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,159

    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Agree it was poor

    1 0 Starmer though as Nick Timothy is fatally wounded.
    She’s not going to sack Nick Timothy for expressing an obvious truth
    I don't see the issue with what Nick Timothy has said. Its a view many will share. I understand some Muslim clerics used to preach and pray i the road because they were denied the use of a mosque. That surely isn't the case here. Some will say its just people showing their faith, others will say its making a statement. But Timothy has a right to his opinion.
    Timothy isn't so much making an observation as a call to arms for people like Leon.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,556
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Spoiler: it wasn't Starmer.
    I am not sure it was Badenoch either, and Davy was unusually Shi'ite too.
    I just realised. Kemi Badenoch is the Jeremy Corbyn of the Conservative Party. Sympathetic towards actors hostile to our country; give tacit support to sectarianism; never stray outside their partisan comfort zones; never make a hard decision.
    Israel is certainly not hostile to the UK
    It’s hardly a great friend either.
    Israel under Netanyahu is openly hostile to Starmer.

    Personally believe he has been way way too soft on them

    I'd have had the Consulate closed.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,679
    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    .

    Dura_Ace said:

    FF43 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer struggled much more again when its Mandelson week. You can draw your own conclusions about why and what that means may be coming out, but it seems to be THE achilles heel

    No body is interested in Mandelson

    He answered
    He apologised

    A shame Badenoch thinks that is the only issue people are interested in

    No one is.
    Starmer appointed Mandelson and the others didn't, so he's vulnerable. Not changed by an element of "seemed like a good idea at the time". Plenty of us on here, including myself as I recall, thought there was some logic to appointing a turd to deal with The Turd, but we're keeping quiet about it now.
    At the time I don't recall anyone on here saying that Mandy is a c-nt who was basically Epstein's cabana boy so why are we giving him the keys to Massachusetts Ave?
    Starmer can't admit to the truth that Mandelson was chosen specifically for his guile. At what level of degeneracy does crafty fox turn into morally unacceptable? If the person turns out to be knee deep with an industrial level paedophile obviously. I assume Starmer wasn't aware how deep that connection, but I admit I haven't been following closely.

    Incidentally I can think of at least two or three other commentators here who thought the Mandelson appointment somewhat astute.
    I have to admit that, at the time, I thought it was a good idea. Mandelson has proved several times that he's as bent as a fiddlers elbow, but on the other hand he was going to be dealing with Trump, with whom he apparently got on.Takes one to know one and all that!

    I don't recall a great deal of fuss about Epstein at the time, except as an associate of he who is now known as AM-W, and an 'introducer' to the same, of young women.

    Over the months more and more information has come to light about the depravity of Epstein and his associates, much of which Mandelson had, wisely, not talked about much.

    When fuller facts, and I think there's much more yet, came to light Starmer realised his error and took appropriate action.
    These things are coming to light to us, the general public, now, but they were already known to the PM when he appointed Mandelson against official advice.

    The story isn’t any more about Mandelson and Epstein, it’s about Starmer and his judgement.
    The response is that they “followed the process”

    The process, apparently is to ask a proven serial
    liar something, then write his responses down as the truth.

    The process, further is unable to detect when someone emails secret internal government information to his personal email account, then forwarded it to various crooks and spivs.

    What does this process add, again?

    No, don’t tell me. If we just add another 10,000 pages…
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,509

    Is “Keir from the Leisure Centre” misandry?

    ""Since I have been manager, I am proud to say there have only been 23 deaths. And not one of them was a staff member."
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,997

    Taz said:

    ‘BREAKING: Iran has issued an order to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE to evacuate energy facilities following Israeli strikes on Iran's largest gas facility.‘


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2034273397308342498?s=61


    This was just seems to be aimless hammering of the energy infrastructure either side of the sea.

    We are all paying the price for it.

    You ain't seen nothing on price yet.
    Rachel from accounts fans please explain.
    I refer the rigged dishonourable gentleman to the image I posted some minutes ago.
    I was channeling my inner PB. I wouldn't dream of being such a Trumpian misogynist in reality.

    Rachel from accounts is rather a disgusting slur on the "fairer sex". Anyway, would you mind getting back to that basket of laundry that needs ironing?
    A man is more than capable of hunting and gathering his clothes from the utility room, and if wants crease’s out, using the simplest of machinery to achieve this.
    Right on sister. Before I was married* I had a Corby trousers press.

    * I'm joking I do all my own ironing. Although isn't this ironing free BryNylon marvellous stuff!
    I thought an iron was for the golf
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,181
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Ironing is much eased as a chore by turning sleeves and trouser legs inside out and back again before hanging them up to dry; takes out loads of the creases. If using a tumble dryer, just dry the clothes for ironing in smaller batches, and don’t leave them lying in the dryer. Spray starch makes shirts look smarter

    The best way to iron shirts is to take them out of the washer-dryer CAREFULLY, making sure they do not bunch up into a ball, then walk SLOWLY towards the ironing board, with the shirt draped loosely over your right arm, then walk straight past the ironing board, out the flat, down the road, and give them to a dry cleaner and say "iron all these, return them neatly folded"

    You want your shirts folded?

    That’s the wrong way to do it, you want your shirts ironed and on hangers.
    No, because they come neatly folded inside little plastic thingies to preserve them from dirt and creasing. Which means I can just chuck them untouched into a suitcase, then when they are needed on my adventures, I rip open the plastic and voila, a perfectly ironed shirt. From a suitcase

    This is a huge boon to me, given how much I travel
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,556
    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Will this policy survive a prolonged crisis?

    https://x.com/danjoergensen/status/2034258998459859029

    As of today, the EU begins closing the tap on Russian gas for good.

    Imports under short- or long-term liquified natural gas (LNG) and pipeline gas contracts concluded, or amended, after 17 June 2025 are now prohibited.

    No, it won’t. If it means people freeze or starve it certainly won’t.

    The legacy of Schroeder and Angela Merkin has been truly disastrous.
    There gave been 4 or 5 large LPG tankers sheltering off Torbay for the past week.

    One still here. They wait for pilots up the Channel, this one Pananian registered.

    All transited from Italy about a week long sail.

    Unusually not easy to find out where they are headed.
    In the words of Dr Watt in Carry on Screaming, if they’re hit, ‘frying tonight’ !
    They have so many lights on they they can probably be seen from space.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,159

    malcolmg said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    FF43 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer struggled much more again when its Mandelson week. You can draw your own conclusions about why and what that means may be coming out, but it seems to be THE achilles heel

    No body is interested in Mandelson

    He answered
    He apologised

    A shame Badenoch thinks that is the only issue people are interested in

    No one is.
    Starmer appointed Mandelson and the others didn't, so he's vulnerable. Not changed by an element of "seemed like a good idea at the time". Plenty of us on here, including myself as I recall, thought there was some logic to appointing a turd to deal with The Turd, but we're keeping quiet about it now.
    At the time I don't recall anyone on here saying that Mandy is a c-nt who was basically Epstein's cabana boy so why are we giving him the keys to Massachusetts Ave?
    Of course commentators like Michael Gove considered Mandelson's appointment a work of genius, until it wasn't. We all knew Mandelson had ties with Epstein and Trump which is why Starmer's decision was inspired until it wasn't. Was it a good idea at the time? Probably. Was it a good idea with hindsight? Definitely not. Should Starmer fall, probably, simply because the decision was his and his alone and it blew his face off. On the other hand is Badenoch a serious politician when we are on the cusp of WW3 and she feels compelled never to mention the war?
    Only morons and fools would ever have thought it was a good idea, he was a well known roaster and should never have been let over the doorstep.
    In that case "Rachel Reeves is useless" tells the story as it is. "Rachel from accounts is useless" may get a laugh from the hard of thinking but it is less effective than the former.
    I guess you weren't meaning to reply to Malc..

    What's wrong with Tea Leaves?

    It rhymes with Reeves

    It's cockney rhyming slang for thieves

    It gives a comic description of her forecasting method

    I was replying to Malcolm but possibly not that post. He was suggesting "useless is useless".
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,181
    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Agree it was poor

    1 0 Starmer though as Nick Timothy is fatally wounded.
    She’s not going to sack Nick Timothy for expressing an obvious truth
    But it's bollocks. People praying freely is not an "act of domination" unless one is some sort of weirdo banging on about an Open Iftar event and how unpatriotic that would be, and looking for clicks/ likes. We had one on here last evening. Can't remember which dreary poster it was though.
    It's the complete truth, even you know it. The difference is that up until now no one has been brave enough to say it. Nick Timothy has decided to speak out. Well done him

    Nick Timothy gets serious death threats for his pains, which rather proves his point

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TU_6INmxfsU
    Oh behave. You as one of our foremost print journalists should know that unhinged threats come from all sides. And all should be condemned equally.
    The last MP murdered, David Amess, was killed by an Islamist attacker. So it's not like Timothy is being all precious about his safety. He is bravely wading into dangerous territory
    And the penultimate murdered MP was executed by an extreme right wing nutter. You can frame your narrative how you wish, but that doesn't stop it being misleading.
    Timothy knows exactly what he is doing, playing to the Reform Tommy tribe. Winding up those right wing nutters who killed Jo Cox.

    Starmer was very clever to both out him and make the point that even Tommy Robinson thought the Tories under Badenoch are scraping the barrel.

    Hard to see how Timothy can survive

    Harder to see how they appointed him in the first place.
    Do you want a bet on whether Timothy survives? This is a betting website
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,702

    Ironing is much eased as a chore by turning sleeves and trouser legs inside out and back again before hanging them up to dry; takes out loads of the creases. If using a tumble dryer, just dry the clothes for ironing in smaller batches, and don’t leave them lying in the dryer. Spray starch makes shirts look smarter

    WFH means no need to iron.
    So does working as a postie. And my drying tip means I haven't had to iron my jeans for years. I occasionally iron smarter clothes for a meal out somewhere fancy. I used to have to iron all my clothes (not socks or undies, obvs) when I had an office job
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,509

    Oh dear. It's racist o clock on here.

    Leon patted down the Islamaphobic sand and placed the ball at a 45' angle in eager anticipation someone would kick it straight and true through the posts.

    Do you think it's Allah's will that Israel exists?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,702

    malcolmg said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    FF43 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer struggled much more again when its Mandelson week. You can draw your own conclusions about why and what that means may be coming out, but it seems to be THE achilles heel

    No body is interested in Mandelson

    He answered
    He apologised

    A shame Badenoch thinks that is the only issue people are interested in

    No one is.
    Starmer appointed Mandelson and the others didn't, so he's vulnerable. Not changed by an element of "seemed like a good idea at the time". Plenty of us on here, including myself as I recall, thought there was some logic to appointing a turd to deal with The Turd, but we're keeping quiet about it now.
    At the time I don't recall anyone on here saying that Mandy is a c-nt who was basically Epstein's cabana boy so why are we giving him the keys to Massachusetts Ave?
    Of course commentators like Michael Gove considered Mandelson's appointment a work of genius, until it wasn't. We all knew Mandelson had ties with Epstein and Trump which is why Starmer's decision was inspired until it wasn't. Was it a good idea at the time? Probably. Was it a good idea with hindsight? Definitely not. Should Starmer fall, probably, simply because the decision was his and his alone and it blew his face off. On the other hand is Badenoch a serious politician when we are on the cusp of WW3 and she feels compelled never to mention the war?
    Only morons and fools would ever have thought it was a good idea, he was a well known roaster and should never have been let over the doorstep.
    In that case "Rachel Reeves is useless" tells the story as it is. "Rachel from accounts is useless" may get a laugh from the hard of thinking but it is less effective than the former.
    I guess you weren't meaning to reply to Malc..

    What's wrong with Tea Leaves?

    It rhymes with Reeves

    It's cockney rhyming slang for thieves

    It gives a comic description of her forecasting method

    I was replying to Malcolm but possibly not that post. He was suggesting "useless is useless".
    You replied to a post about Mandy

    What about Tea Leaves?

    Or are you going to Starmer me?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,911

    NEW THREAD

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,159
    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    ‘BREAKING: Iran has issued an order to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE to evacuate energy facilities following Israeli strikes on Iran's largest gas facility.‘


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2034273397308342498?s=61


    This was just seems to be aimless hammering of the energy infrastructure either side of the sea.

    We are all paying the price for it.

    You ain't seen nothing on price yet.
    Rachel from accounts fans please explain.
    I refer the rigged dishonourable gentleman to the image I posted some minutes ago.
    I was channeling my inner PB. I wouldn't dream of being such a Trumpian misogynist in reality.

    Rachel from accounts is rather a disgusting slur on the "fairer sex". Anyway, would you mind getting back to that basket of laundry that needs ironing?
    A man is more than capable of hunting and gathering his clothes from the utility room, and if wants crease’s out, using the simplest of machinery to achieve this.
    Right on sister. Before I was married* I had a Corby trousers press.

    * I'm joking I do all my own ironing. Although isn't this ironing free BryNylon marvellous stuff!
    I thought an iron was for the golf
    That is correct it is what you would have known as a Mashie Niblick.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,181

    Ironing is much eased as a chore by turning sleeves and trouser legs inside out and back again before hanging them up to dry; takes out loads of the creases. If using a tumble dryer, just dry the clothes for ironing in smaller batches, and don’t leave them lying in the dryer. Spray starch makes shirts look smarter

    WFH means no need to iron.
    So does working as a postie. And my drying tip means I haven't had to iron my jeans for years. I occasionally iron smarter clothes for a meal out somewhere fancy. I used to have to iron all my clothes (not socks or undies, obvs) when I had an office job
    We are very close to having humanoid robots that will do all these chores. Less than 5 years I reckon

    Here's another cheering thought. Pretty soon litter will be a thing of the past, because councils will sack all the street cleaners and get small humanoid robots to pick up all the rubbish. They will be vastly cheaper than human labour, and they will work 24/7, tirelessly, in all weathers, for no money. Only going home to be recharged. So all the litter will disappear (which will be nice, in London)

    Positive vibes, that's me. Positive vibes

  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,180
    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Spoiler: it wasn't Starmer.
    I am not sure it was Badenoch either, and Davy was unusually Shi'ite too.
    I just realised. Kemi Badenoch is the Jeremy Corbyn of the Conservative Party. Sympathetic towards actors hostile to our country; give tacit support to sectarianism; never stray outside their partisan comfort zones; never make a hard decision.
    Israel is certainly not hostile to the UK
    Questionable, but wasn't who I was thinking of.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,715
    edited 4:17PM
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer struggled much more again when its Mandelson week. You can draw your own conclusions about why and what that means may be coming out, but it seems to be THE achilles heel

    No body is interested in Mandelson

    He answered
    He apologised

    A shame Badenoch thinks that is the only issue people are interested in

    No one is.
    Panic response
    Kemi asked 3 times “did you speak to Mandy before appointing him” and each time Starmer did not answer the question.
    Then Kemi said “the evasion all points to the fact YOU DIDN’T speak to him yourself, before appointing him”

    Wait! Does it? Does evasion point to the fact he didn’t?

    I thought the evasion was all pointing to the fact he had spoken to him before appointment, to be honest. That - speaking to Mandy himself and getting answer he had met with Epstein after the conviction - surely is where the damage and danger is to Starmer.

    I think Kemi dropped the ball.
    Stsrmer has put on record in the house that Mandelson lied to him personally.
    If she gets him to admit he did not speak to him its misleading the house time.

    Thats the point of it i think
    It’s an odd way for her to do it, answering the question herself, with her belief it was the opposite of what the truth is, opposite to where the danger to Starmer is.

    Nah. She dropped the ball.
    His obvious answered should be, which one of the hundreds of conversations I've had with Peter on hundreds of issues over 20 years does she specifically want me to comments on.

    You want to tie Starmer that close to Mandelson and somehow that helps him
    No Tory has never had an acquaintance with a paedo?

    Mandelson has been a major Labour political figure for 30 years

    Your point is?
    If you can't see the connection to your suggestion then you are oblivious to what you are writing

    The expression you protest too much

    Starmer had a nightmare today
    Questions smoking out how rubbish Labour are on cost of living would have been a more triumphant PMQs for Kemi IMHO.

    I still think, learning from history, 6 questions on Mandelson was wasted approach.
    in the history books on Mandelson leaving government for mortgage fraud, all the pressure put on Tony Blair for whopping error of judgement, all the fun Lord Richmond and the media had ripping Blair’s credibility to shreds… but then look at the final result in 2001 GE. 🤷‍♀️

    Kemi’s Tory’s need to put on votes at PMQs, and the way to do that is how Labour do nothing or next to nothing on the cost of living. Look at the Daily Express today, look what they gave Kemi to attack with
    Labour policies taking 40K from households during cost of living crisis is awful.


    Is the fear here, Kemi goes on Mandelson again and again because she can’t mention Cost of Living ever again because the error she has made backing Trump’s war? ☹️
    Why are you liking this post Brixian?

    Labour been in two years, and have appalling record on cost of living, is why it’s losing one and a half thousand councillors in a few weeks time in an extra special stuffing.

    Do you think UK tax rates are too low, and there’s plenty of leeway for more tax and spend?
    Im agreeing with you two fold

    LOTO was a disaster today

    Labour first budget was a disaster. It was a disaster mainly because of McSweeney and his ming case.

    Until 4 weeks ago it looked like good progress could have been made in September to start to correct it.

    Unless there is a huge and quick c change on ME that is not now possible

    Thats why Starmer will continue to pin Act of War Act of Aggression on Badenoch and Farage

    Had they have PM we'd have been in middle of a far greater disaster now.

    I am no where near as tribal as some right wing posters on here. I admit mistakes if I believe they are unforgivable

    Starmer is actively allowing the US to bomb Iran from Fairford, unlike Meloni [Italy] and Sanchez [Spain ] who have distanced themselves from the conflict and refused their air bases to be used or any military involvement

    It is not just semantics but plain dishonesty to paint Starmer as standing up to the US

    And as far as being tribal, we can all be partisan but your language and weird obsession is just that, weird

    https://ukaviation.aero/raf-fairford-at-the-centre-of-operation-epic-fury-britains-strategic-bomber-hub/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,269
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Agree it was poor

    1 0 Starmer though as Nick Timothy is fatally wounded.
    She’s not going to sack Nick Timothy for expressing an obvious truth
    Let the lefties stand by while we allow ourselves to become an Islamic nation. Well said Nick Timothy and well done Kemi for backing him up
    What utter nonsense.
    We are not becoming "an Islamic nation".

    Timothy is just indulging in shit stirring bordering on Islamophobia.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,159

    Oh dear. It's racist o clock on here.

    Leon patted down the Islamaphobic sand and placed the ball at a 45' angle in eager anticipation someone would kick it straight and true through the posts.

    Do you think it's Allah's will that Israel exists?
    Yes, otherwise Allah wouldn't have provided the Jews with a homeland in the middle of Palestine. It might not have been his most effective achievement.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,666
    Taz said:

    @MattW

    Thank you for linking to the YouTube discussion between Tim Stanley, Allister Heath and Camilla Tominey

    Most interesting and I found I agreed with quite a bit of it, I was surprised as Allister Heath is usually wrong about stuff.

    I'm on the other side of that one, and was left wondering if there is a way back for him.

    But that's politics !
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,666
    Does anyone have a link to whatever Chris Philp said that the PM referenced at PMQ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,068

    Is “Keir from the Leisure Centre” misandry?

    ""Since I have been manager, I am proud to say there have only been 23 deaths. And not one of them was a staff member."
    Ive been working here for 18 years. In 1975, no one died. In 1976, no one died. In 1977, no one died. In 1978, no one died. In 1979, no one died. In 1980, someone died. In 1981, no one died. In 1982, there was the incident with a pigeon. In 1983, no one died. In 1984, no one died. In 1985, no one died. In 1986... I mean, I could go on.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,666

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer struggled much more again when its Mandelson week. You can draw your own conclusions about why and what that means may be coming out, but it seems to be THE achilles heel

    No body is interested in Mandelson

    He answered
    He apologised

    A shame Badenoch thinks that is the only issue people are interested in

    No one is.
    Panic response
    Kemi asked 3 times “did you speak to Mandy before appointing him” and each time Starmer did not answer the question.
    Then Kemi said “the evasion all points to the fact YOU DIDN’T speak to him yourself, before appointing him”

    Wait! Does it? Does evasion point to the fact he didn’t?

    I thought the evasion was all pointing to the fact he had spoken to him before appointment, to be honest. That - speaking to Mandy himself and getting answer he had met with Epstein after the conviction - surely is where the damage and danger is to Starmer.

    I think Kemi dropped the ball.
    Stsrmer has put on record in the house that Mandelson lied to him personally.
    If she gets him to admit he did not speak to him its misleading the house time.

    Thats the point of it i think
    It’s an odd way for her to do it, answering the question herself, with her belief it was the opposite of what the truth is, opposite to where the danger to Starmer is.

    Nah. She dropped the ball.
    His obvious answered should be, which one of the hundreds of conversations I've had with Peter on hundreds of issues over 20 years does she specifically want me to comments on.

    You want to tie Starmer that close to Mandelson and somehow that helps him
    No Tory has never had an acquaintance with a paedo?

    Mandelson has been a major Labour political figure for 30 years

    Your point is?
    If you can't see the connection to your suggestion then you are oblivious to what you are writing

    The expression you protest too much

    Starmer had a nightmare today
    Questions smoking out how rubbish Labour are on cost of living would have been a more triumphant PMQs for Kemi IMHO.

    I still think, learning from history, 6 questions on Mandelson was wasted approach.
    in the history books on Mandelson leaving government for mortgage fraud, all the pressure put on Tony Blair for whopping error of judgement, all the fun Lord Richmond and the media had ripping Blair’s credibility to shreds… but then look at the final result in 2001 GE. 🤷‍♀️

    Kemi’s Tory’s need to put on votes at PMQs, and the way to do that is how Labour do nothing or next to nothing on the cost of living. Look at the Daily Express today, look what they gave Kemi to attack with
    Labour policies taking 40K from households during cost of living crisis is awful.


    Is the fear here, Kemi goes on Mandelson again and again because she can’t mention Cost of Living ever again because the error she has made backing Trump’s war? ☹️
    How the F does the maths on that work?

    (Oh I see; it's a lifetime calculation by the Taxpayers Alliance.

    It is not a cost to households of the increase, it is the cost of the total amount of duty and I assume VAT over a 60 year period for all members of a household. There is no comment about rapidly increasing use of electric vehicles.

    At least the TPA headline is better than the Daily Excess.

    https://taxpayersalliance.com/analysis-households-face-40-000-lifetime-fuel-duty-bill/ )
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,556

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer struggled much more again when its Mandelson week. You can draw your own conclusions about why and what that means may be coming out, but it seems to be THE achilles heel

    No body is interested in Mandelson

    He answered
    He apologised

    A shame Badenoch thinks that is the only issue people are interested in

    No one is.
    Panic response
    Kemi asked 3 times “did you speak to Mandy before appointing him” and each time Starmer did not answer the question.
    Then Kemi said “the evasion all points to the fact YOU DIDN’T speak to him yourself, before appointing him”

    Wait! Does it? Does evasion point to the fact he didn’t?

    I thought the evasion was all pointing to the fact he had spoken to him before appointment, to be honest. That - speaking to Mandy himself and getting answer he had met with Epstein after the conviction - surely is where the damage and danger is to Starmer.

    I think Kemi dropped the ball.
    Stsrmer has put on record in the house that Mandelson lied to him personally.
    If she gets him to admit he did not speak to him its misleading the house time.

    Thats the point of it i think
    It’s an odd way for her to do it, answering the question herself, with her belief it was the opposite of what the truth is, opposite to where the danger to Starmer is.

    Nah. She dropped the ball.
    His obvious answered should be, which one of the hundreds of conversations I've had with Peter on hundreds of issues over 20 years does she specifically want me to comments on.

    You want to tie Starmer that close to Mandelson and somehow that helps him
    No Tory has never had an acquaintance with a paedo?

    Mandelson has been a major Labour political figure for 30 years

    Your point is?
    If you can't see the connection to your suggestion then you are oblivious to what you are writing

    The expression you protest too much

    Starmer had a nightmare today
    Questions smoking out how rubbish Labour are on cost of living would have been a more triumphant PMQs for Kemi IMHO.

    I still think, learning from history, 6 questions on Mandelson was wasted approach.
    in the history books on Mandelson leaving government for mortgage fraud, all the pressure put on Tony Blair for whopping error of judgement, all the fun Lord Richmond and the media had ripping Blair’s credibility to shreds… but then look at the final result in 2001 GE. 🤷‍♀️

    Kemi’s Tory’s need to put on votes at PMQs, and the way to do that is how Labour do nothing or next to nothing on the cost of living. Look at the Daily Express today, look what they gave Kemi to attack with
    Labour policies taking 40K from households during cost of living crisis is awful.


    Is the fear here, Kemi goes on Mandelson again and again because she can’t mention Cost of Living ever again because the error she has made backing Trump’s war? ☹️
    Why are you liking this post Brixian?

    Labour been in two years, and have appalling record on cost of living, is why it’s losing one and a half thousand councillors in a few weeks time in an extra special stuffing.

    Do you think UK tax rates are too low, and there’s plenty of leeway for more tax and spend?
    Im agreeing with you two fold

    LOTO was a disaster today

    Labour first budget was a disaster. It was a disaster mainly because of McSweeney and his ming case.

    Until 4 weeks ago it looked like good progress could have been made in September to start to correct it.

    Unless there is a huge and quick c change on ME that is not now possible

    Thats why Starmer will continue to pin Act of War Act of Aggression on Badenoch and Farage

    Had they have PM we'd have been in middle of a far greater disaster now.

    I am no where near as tribal as some right wing posters on here. I admit mistakes if I believe they are unforgivable

    Starmer is actively allowing the US to bomb Iran from Fairford, unlike Meloni [Italy] and Sanchez [Spain ] who have distanced themselves from the conflict and refused their air bases to be used or any military involvement

    It is not just semantics but plain dishonesty to paint Starmer as standing up to the US

    And as far as being tribal, we can all be partisan but your language and weird obsession is just that, weird

    https://ukaviation.aero/raf-fairford-at-the-centre-of-operation-epic-fury-britains-strategic-bomber-hub/
    Once again you totally misrepresent the truth

    Starmer has allowed refuelling planes and specific bombing of missile launch sites. Nothing more.

    It's very fucking weird to claim that Starmer has not stood up to the US, when Trump has launched a daily tirade at Starmer for standing up to the US.

    Of course you'll play the usual weird trick of saying not bending over showing their ass holes like Kemi and Farage is not standing up to Trump but hey ho the truth passes you by with great regularity no doubt due to the Mail, Telegraph, Express and GB News.

    Playing the man and not the ball again,.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,509
    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I thought it was a weak PMQs all round.

    52 to 48. I am not sure who was the 52 mind.
    Agree it was poor

    1 0 Starmer though as Nick Timothy is fatally wounded.
    She’s not going to sack Nick Timothy for expressing an obvious truth
    Let the lefties stand by while we allow ourselves to become an Islamic nation. Well said Nick Timothy and well done Kemi for backing him up
    What utter nonsense.
    We are not becoming "an Islamic nation".

    Timothy is just indulging in shit stirring bordering on Islamophobia.
    I've been weakly Islamophobic ever since the Salman Rushdie thing kicked off in '89.
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