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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,246
    Starmer calls for a negotiated agreement with Iran.

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2033493515661881699
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,712
    edited 11:02AM

    Starmer is, according to most, really boring, uncharismatic, and lacks the common touch. Whatever you think of Labour MPs, they are unlikely to choose a successor who is even more boring, even less charismatic, and shows no sign of having the common touch.
    So that rules out Cooper.

    Labour MPs can only nominate, it is Labour members who have the final decision on next Labour leader
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,936
    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting article by Matthew Syed in the Sunday Times about how it's immoral for the government to keep bailing people out when it comes to things like fuel becoming more expensive.

    Yes, the nation's funds are much better directed to bailing out banks and so on. Um ... ?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,263

    Mortimer said:

    Cooper makes Mrs May look exciting, tbh.

    She won't win a leadership contest.

    She's the only potential leader that worries me as a lifelong Conservative
    I think the recovery of Starmer and the decline of Farage/Badenoch is perhaps a sign that the punters are looking for a more serious politics... on the other hand Zak Polanski is a deeply, even spectacularly, unserious politician, so I guess there is still a lot of confusion out there...
  • eekeek Posts: 32,881
    edited 11:05AM

    Starmer calls for a negotiated agreement with Iran.

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2033493515661881699

    Yes because that is the only solution to any war - negotiation.

    Trouble is Trump was negotiating with Iran as Israel and Trump attacked and killed the Iranian leadership..
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,712
    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting article by Matthew Syed in the Sunday Times about how it's immoral for the government to keep bailing people out when it comes to things like fuel becoming more expensive.

    Disagree with him on that, which is unusual as Syed is right on most things, in rural areas especially rising oil prices add to costs and the government then has to intervene to help low and middle income households there
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,691
    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:


    DougSeal said:

    Battlebus said:

    Lots of grumpy farts about this Monday morning.

    We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
    Good morning

    I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary

    I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen

    I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?

    My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery



    Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
    To be honest there are some on here whose use of whataboutery is legend

    I’ve not seen such. Just repetitive “what about x” with desperation when various subjects come up.

    Quality WhatAboutery used to be a major product of the Northern Ireland service sector. It’s really fallen off though. Another British industry shuttered.
    Sad lack of Irish Republicans on this site to pick you up on the "British" descriptor there. Shame. This morning was too good natured - we needed a row.
    To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.

    Also you can be British and Republican. The monarchy is as anachronistic as the Church.
    No, if if you dislike the monarchy and Church of England being established church you should move to the Irish Republic where you can have a President and Popery as your main religion to your hearts content!
    Why not put the Bible through ChatGPT to provide 'guidance' for the faithful taking out the inconsistency and nonsense. Then we could dispense with the clergy too and cease the weekly squaring of the circle. Surprised the American Evangelists haven't already.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,423

    Inflation basket changes:

    https://x.com/ONS/status/2033476091361230969

    Items added to the 2026 basket include:

    · Croissants, houmous and alcohol-free beer – reflecting changing tastes
    · Dashboard cameras – car owners increasing their security on the roads
    · Pet grooming – reflecting a growing service for pet owners

    This is ridiculous! Clearly, it should include gluten-free croissants too, to fully capture modern lifestyles.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,165
    Hmm. I think the Cooper - Miliband ticket has two problems.

    1) It's quite mainstream, not that exciting. Looks like continuity Starmer.

    2) Ed Balls is going to be arguing for different economic policies to Miliband and thinking he could do better.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,458
    eek said:

    Starmer calls for a negotiated agreement with Iran.

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2033493515661881699

    Yes because that is the only solution to any war - negotiation.

    Trouble is Trump was negotiating with Iran as Israel and Trump attacked and killed the Iranian leadership..
    Incredibly powerful from Starmer this morning.

    Backs up again he is The man in a crisis.

    We are leading not following directly to Badenoch and Farage. Who 2 weeks ago directly sought total aliegance to Donald Trump and US and Israeli aggression. There pathetic back tracking and denial fully exposed as lies.

    Immediately helping those who rely on oil for heating, and warning those canceling deliveries to ramp prices up that eyes are on them

    Confirms price cap from 3 months to end July and duty freeze to September will remain.

    (if Babenoch again bleets about September, she's going to continue to look pretty dim, stupid and picking the wrong argument again)

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,246
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15649801/Dubai-arrests-foreign-survivors-Iranian-drone-strike-sent-images-explosion-aftermath-loved-ones-prove-safe.html

    Dubai ‘arrests foreign survivors of Iranian drone strike after they sent images of explosion aftermath to loved ones to prove they were safe’
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,712
    edited 11:15AM
    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:


    DougSeal said:

    Battlebus said:

    Lots of grumpy farts about this Monday morning.

    We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
    Good morning

    I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary

    I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen

    I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?

    My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery



    Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
    To be honest there are some on here whose use of whataboutery is legend

    I’ve not seen such. Just repetitive “what about x” with desperation when various subjects come up.

    Quality WhatAboutery used to be a major product of the Northern Ireland service sector. It’s really fallen off though. Another British industry shuttered.
    Sad lack of Irish Republicans on this site to pick you up on the "British" descriptor there. Shame. This morning was too good natured - we needed a row.
    To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.

    Also you can be British and Republican. The monarchy is as anachronistic as the Church.
    No, if if you dislike the monarchy and Church of England being established church you should move to the Irish Republic where you can have a President and Popery as your main religion to your hearts content!
    Why not put the Bible through ChatGPT to provide 'guidance' for the faithful taking out the inconsistency and nonsense. Then we could dispense with the clergy too and cease the weekly squaring of the circle. Surprised the American Evangelists haven't already.
    If you want biblical purity on everything there are already plenty of Baptist or Pentecostal churches or indeed probably more so the Roman Catholic church. The Church of England has never been a church based on biblical purity on everything, balancing scripture with tradition and reason, indeed it was founded by a King who wanted to divorce his wife and remarry as the Pope wouldn't let him and has just appointed a female Archbishop
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,293
    Germany tell Trump to get lost with his NATO threats .

  • eekeek Posts: 32,881
    edited 11:17AM
    rkrkrk said:

    Hmm. I think the Cooper - Miliband ticket has two problems.

    1) It's quite mainstream, not that exciting. Looks like continuity Starmer.

    2) Ed Balls is going to be arguing for different economic policies to Miliband and thinking he could do better.

    Cooper will have her own opinion on the Treasury given she was Chief Secretary of it (i.e. No 2 there) in 2008-9.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,160
    .

    Starmer calls for a negotiated agreement with Iran.

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2033493515661881699

    I don't think he says that, although negotiated agreement (s) with Iran are necessary if you want to open, or partially open, Hormuz.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,865
    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,865
    The Mad King is going to need to call on the Board of Peace to help him out.

    Or FIFA...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,712
    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Does Israel have any spare ships?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,293
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Does Israel have any spare ships?
    They don’t care as they can use their endless chequebook paid for by the US .
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,458

    Badenoch may be suffering from her mindless agreement to be dragged by Trump into an ill-conceived war, without clear aims (or consultation/agreement with us).

    Absolutely she is and it will only get worse as people realise we could have been reopening Wootton Bassett High Street as a memorial.

    Her pathetic attempts to claim she never said what she did, is a further massive hit to her credibility and honesty. To dishonesty try to deny what she said and Pritti Patel related even more forcibly with a disgusting personal attack on Starmer at the time won't be forgotten.

    The thought of a hyper aggressive arrogant Trump ass licker ever getting near to Downing Street should rightly see her replaced by a serious politician like Cleverly assp.

    If not the Tory Party, the greatest election winning machine in history will in all reality be extinct after 2029.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,703
    Ruth Deyermond‬
    @ruthdeyermond.bsky.social‬

    Trump shows yet again that the US under his administration (a) has ceased to be a trustworthy NATO ally and (b) is a much less desirable ally because it starts destabilising wars for no clear reason and with which it has to ask for help when the wheels fall off.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ruthdeyermond.bsky.social/post/3mh6cruwmgk2i
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,793
    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:


    DougSeal said:

    Battlebus said:

    Lots of grumpy farts about this Monday morning.

    We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
    Good morning

    I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary

    I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen

    I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?

    My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery



    Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
    To be honest there are some on here whose use of whataboutery is legend

    I’ve not seen such. Just repetitive “what about x” with desperation when various subjects come up.

    Quality WhatAboutery used to be a major product of the Northern Ireland service sector. It’s really fallen off though. Another British industry shuttered.
    Sad lack of Irish Republicans on this site to pick you up on the "British" descriptor there. Shame. This morning was too good natured - we needed a row.
    To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.

    Also you can be British and Republican. The monarchy is as anachronistic as the Church.
    No, if if you dislike the monarchy and Church of England being established church you should move to the Irish Republic where you can have a President and Popery as your main religion to your hearts content!
    The village in which I lived for a few years with my wife's parents has a very amiable Church of Ireland vicar, who I met at a defibrillator bake sale, and it's mainly the Church of Ireland churches that have the bell towers with enough bells to do interesting peals and the like - my daughter came over for a bellringing festival and did a tour of them round here. Not sure if there are many monarchy fans still knocking around. I'll keep a look out.

    Kinda sad that you can't accept a few Republicans and atheists as part of Britain's rich tapestry, though.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,712
    nico67 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Does Israel have any spare ships?
    They don’t care as they can use their endless chequebook paid for by the US .
    As long as that chequebook can also cover any lost ships
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,908
    nico67 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Does Israel have any spare ships?
    They don’t care as they can use their endless chequebook paid for by the US .
    Israel can't get ships past Aden. The Houthi's will shoot.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,691
    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:


    DougSeal said:

    Battlebus said:

    Lots of grumpy farts about this Monday morning.

    We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
    Good morning

    I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary

    I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen

    I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?

    My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery



    Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
    To be honest there are some on here whose use of whataboutery is legend

    I’ve not seen such. Just repetitive “what about x” with desperation when various subjects come up.

    Quality WhatAboutery used to be a major product of the Northern Ireland service sector. It’s really fallen off though. Another British industry shuttered.
    Sad lack of Irish Republicans on this site to pick you up on the "British" descriptor there. Shame. This morning was too good natured - we needed a row.
    To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.

    Also you can be British and Republican. The monarchy is as anachronistic as the Church.
    No, if if you dislike the monarchy and Church of England being established church you should move to the Irish Republic where you can have a President and Popery as your main religion to your hearts content!
    Why not put the Bible through ChatGPT to provide 'guidance' for the faithful taking out the inconsistency and nonsense. Then we could dispense with the clergy too and cease the weekly squaring of the circle. Surprised the American Evangelists haven't already.
    If you want biblical purity on everything there are already plenty of Baptist or Pentecostal churches or indeed probably more so the Roman Catholic church. The Church of England has never been a church based on biblical purity on everything, balancing scripture with tradition and reason, indeed it was founded by a King who wanted to divorce his wife and remarry as the Pope wouldn't let him and has just appointed a female Archbishop
    I note you picked me up on religion but silent on the issue of the monarchy. I'll take it we are agreed on one of the two subjects.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,881
    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    So there is still a chance

  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,160

    nico67 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Does Israel have any spare ships?
    They don’t care as they can use their endless chequebook paid for by the US .
    Israel can't get ships past Aden. The Houthi's will shoot.
    No-one can get ships through Hormuz unless the Iranians agree. Your choices are either do a deal with Iran or live without the Gulf, the oil and gas, and in the case of Gulf states, their economies. Everything else is denial and should be understood as such.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,246
    https://x.com/wartranslated/status/2033497141306405353

    Trump said that kamikaze sea drones do not exist and were created by AI. Because if they existed, America would have struck them long ago.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,881
    Brixian59 said:

    eek said:

    Starmer calls for a negotiated agreement with Iran.

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2033493515661881699

    Yes because that is the only solution to any war - negotiation.

    Trouble is Trump was negotiating with Iran as Israel and Trump attacked and killed the Iranian leadership..
    Incredibly powerful from Starmer this morning.

    Backs up again he is The man in a crisis.

    We are leading not following directly to Badenoch and Farage. Who 2 weeks ago directly sought total aliegance to Donald Trump and US and Israeli aggression. There pathetic back tracking and denial fully exposed as lies.

    Immediately helping those who rely on oil for heating, and warning those canceling deliveries to ramp prices up that eyes are on them

    Confirms price cap from 3 months to end July and duty freeze to September will remain.

    (if Babenoch again bleets about September, she's going to continue to look pretty dim, stupid and picking the wrong argument again)

    I actually understand the companies cancelling deliveries - there is zero reason for a firm to sell a product at a loss - all that would do is bankrupt the firm and leave fewer competitors in the future.

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,052
    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Trump could ask his mates in Hungary, Argentina and El Salvador to send their navies.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,908

    https://x.com/wartranslated/status/2033497141306405353

    Trump said that kamikaze sea drones do not exist and were created by AI. Because if they existed, America would have struck them long ago.

    Do they? Admittedly I could well have missed the report.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,707
    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Indistinguishable from Tinder
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,916

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Trump could ask his mates in Hungary, Argentina and El Salvador to send their navies.
    Don't forget FIFA.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,824
    edited 11:40AM

    Ruth Deyermond‬
    @ruthdeyermond.bsky.social‬

    Trump shows yet again that the US under his administration (a) has ceased to be a trustworthy NATO ally and (b) is a much less desirable ally because it starts destabilising wars for no clear reason and with which it has to ask for help when the wheels fall off.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ruthdeyermond.bsky.social/post/3mh6cruwmgk2i

    I don't know why it has taken until 2026 and another bloody middle east war to figure this out. Some of Trump's first actions in his first administration should have set the alarm bells off. Certainly anyone paying attention should have simply listened to Trump in Helsinki in 2018 and realised "he can't be trusted", and "he's siding with Russia against his own intelligence agencies".
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,423

    https://x.com/wartranslated/status/2033497141306405353

    Trump said that kamikaze sea drones do not exist and were created by AI. Because if they existed, America would have struck them long ago.

    And yet there are still people who think it's a good thing Trump won the presidential election.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,138
    edited 11:42AM
    Brixian59 said:

    eek said:

    Starmer calls for a negotiated agreement with Iran.

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2033493515661881699

    Yes because that is the only solution to any war - negotiation.

    Trouble is Trump was negotiating with Iran as Israel and Trump attacked and killed the Iranian leadership..
    Incredibly powerful from Starmer this morning.

    Backs up again he is The man in a crisis.

    We are leading not following directly to Badenoch and Farage. Who 2 weeks ago directly sought total aliegance to Donald Trump and US and Israeli aggression. There pathetic back tracking and denial fully exposed as lies.

    Immediately helping those who rely on oil for heating, and warning those canceling deliveries to ramp prices up that eyes are on them

    Confirms price cap from 3 months to end July and duty freeze to September will remain.

    (if Babenoch again bleets about September, she's going to continue to look pretty dim, stupid and picking the wrong argument again)

    So basically blaming other people and showering a ton of borrowed money that our grandkids will have to pay back on the problem, all the while ignoring the underlying issue, that Mad Ed, who promised to cut prices by £300/year, has actually raised them?

    I agree that when it comes to pissing away public money in the short term without addressing or even understanding underlying problems there's no-one more powerful than Starmer.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,423

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Trump could ask his mates in Hungary, Argentina and El Salvador to send their navies.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_of_El_Salvador

    I mean, they could probably make it to the straits of Hormuz eventually.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,007
    Fishing said:

    Brixian59 said:

    eek said:

    Starmer calls for a negotiated agreement with Iran.

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2033493515661881699

    Yes because that is the only solution to any war - negotiation.

    Trouble is Trump was negotiating with Iran as Israel and Trump attacked and killed the Iranian leadership..
    Incredibly powerful from Starmer this morning.

    Backs up again he is The man in a crisis.

    We are leading not following directly to Badenoch and Farage. Who 2 weeks ago directly sought total aliegance to Donald Trump and US and Israeli aggression. There pathetic back tracking and denial fully exposed as lies.

    Immediately helping those who rely on oil for heating, and warning those canceling deliveries to ramp prices up that eyes are on them

    Confirms price cap from 3 months to end July and duty freeze to September will remain.

    (if Babenoch again bleets about September, she's going to continue to look pretty dim, stupid and picking the wrong argument again)

    So basically blaming other people and showering a ton of borrowed money that our grandkids will have to pay back on the problem, all the while ignoring the underlying issue, that Mad Ed, who promised to cut prices by £300/year, has actually raised them?

    I agree that when it comes to pissing away public money in the short term without addressing or even understanding underlying problems there's no-one more powerful than Starmer.
    Not a fan then?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,458
    Fishing said:

    Brixian59 said:

    eek said:

    Starmer calls for a negotiated agreement with Iran.

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2033493515661881699

    Yes because that is the only solution to any war - negotiation.

    Trouble is Trump was negotiating with Iran as Israel and Trump attacked and killed the Iranian leadership..
    Incredibly powerful from Starmer this morning.

    Backs up again he is The man in a crisis.

    We are leading not following directly to Badenoch and Farage. Who 2 weeks ago directly sought total aliegance to Donald Trump and US and Israeli aggression. There pathetic back tracking and denial fully exposed as lies.

    Immediately helping those who rely on oil for heating, and warning those canceling deliveries to ramp prices up that eyes are on them

    Confirms price cap from 3 months to end July and duty freeze to September will remain.

    (if Babenoch again bleets about September, she's going to continue to look pretty dim, stupid and picking the wrong argument again)

    So basically blaming other people and showering a ton of borrowed money that our grandkids will have to pay back on the problem, all the while ignoring the underlying issue, that Mad Ed, who promised to cut prices by £300/year, has actually raised them?

    I agree that when it comes to pissing away public money in the short term without addressing or even understanding underlying problems there's no-one more powerful than Starmer.
    Come back and make that claim in July 2029 the date which EM commited to reducing bills by and you might have a valid point.

    Right now you don't

    Come back in July and tell us how things have gone since March.

    That'll be interesting.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,613
    edited 11:50AM
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    So there is still a chance

    I wonder why Greece and Turkey were not asked?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,613
    edited 11:55AM
    Brixian59 said:

    Fishing said:

    Brixian59 said:

    eek said:

    Starmer calls for a negotiated agreement with Iran.

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2033493515661881699

    Yes because that is the only solution to any war - negotiation.

    Trouble is Trump was negotiating with Iran as Israel and Trump attacked and killed the Iranian leadership..
    Incredibly powerful from Starmer this morning.

    Backs up again he is The man in a crisis.

    We are leading not following directly to Badenoch and Farage. Who 2 weeks ago directly sought total aliegance to Donald Trump and US and Israeli aggression. There pathetic back tracking and denial fully exposed as lies.

    Immediately helping those who rely on oil for heating, and warning those canceling deliveries to ramp prices up that eyes are on them

    Confirms price cap from 3 months to end July and duty freeze to September will remain.

    (if Babenoch again bleets about September, she's going to continue to look pretty dim, stupid and picking the wrong argument again)

    So basically blaming other people and showering a ton of borrowed money that our grandkids will have to pay back on the problem, all the while ignoring the underlying issue, that Mad Ed, who promised to cut prices by £300/year, has actually raised them?

    I agree that when it comes to pissing away public money in the short term without addressing or even understanding underlying problems there's no-one more powerful than Starmer.
    Come back and make that claim in July 2029 the date which EM commited to reducing bills by and you might have a valid point.

    Right now you don't

    Come back in July and tell us how things have gone since March.

    That'll be interesting.

    I think they said £53m, which is not really a "ton of money".

    In COVID I think they spent £94 billion ie 1774 times more.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,293
    MattW said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    So there is still a chance

    I wonder wht Greece and Turkey were not asked?
    Greece has said no . NATO countries need to stick together and not break ranks . Trump needs to own the whole catastrophe.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,707
    edited 11:52AM

    Fishing said:

    Brixian59 said:

    eek said:

    Starmer calls for a negotiated agreement with Iran.

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2033493515661881699

    Yes because that is the only solution to any war - negotiation.

    Trouble is Trump was negotiating with Iran as Israel and Trump attacked and killed the Iranian leadership..
    Incredibly powerful from Starmer this morning.

    Backs up again he is The man in a crisis.

    We are leading not following directly to Badenoch and Farage. Who 2 weeks ago directly sought total aliegance to Donald Trump and US and Israeli aggression. There pathetic back tracking and denial fully exposed as lies.

    Immediately helping those who rely on oil for heating, and warning those canceling deliveries to ramp prices up that eyes are on them

    Confirms price cap from 3 months to end July and duty freeze to September will remain.

    (if Babenoch again bleets about September, she's going to continue to look pretty dim, stupid and picking the wrong argument again)

    So basically blaming other people and showering a ton of borrowed money that our grandkids will have to pay back on the problem, all the while ignoring the underlying issue, that Mad Ed, who promised to cut prices by £300/year, has actually raised them?

    I agree that when it comes to pissing away public money in the short term without addressing or even understanding underlying problems there's no-one more powerful than Starmer.
    Not a fan then?
    Don't think Labour have done any reforms to heating oil at all. Not sure you can pin anything on them either way.

    In fact the reforms they've done are relatively good for rural households because carbon levies have been reduced for electricity.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,165
    eek said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Hmm. I think the Cooper - Miliband ticket has two problems.

    1) It's quite mainstream, not that exciting. Looks like continuity Starmer.

    2) Ed Balls is going to be arguing for different economic policies to Miliband and thinking he could do better.

    Cooper will have her own opinion on the Treasury given she was Chief Secretary of it (i.e. No 2 there) in 2008-9.
    Good point. I think Ed M will get more influence if he backs someone like Angela Rayner.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,458
    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Indistinguishable from Tinder
    Most interesting is Meloni, the golden girl of MAGA, the European Right Wing flame carrier.

    Has been in lock step with Starmer and Merz, more so than Macron.

    Great to see.

    The new Merkel of Europe
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,613
    nico67 said:

    MattW said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    So there is still a chance

    I wonder wht Greece and Turkey were not asked?
    Greece has said no . NATO countries need to stick together and not break ranks . Trump needs to own the whole catastrophe.
    Thanks.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,477

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Trump could ask his mates in Hungary, Argentina and El Salvador to send their navies.
    Perhaps his mate Nigel could send him some pleasure boats from his base in Clacton, assuming he'll get them back in time for the holiday season.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,246
    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Indistinguishable from Tinder
    Most interesting is Meloni, the golden girl of MAGA, the European Right Wing flame carrier.

    Has been in lock step with Starmer and Merz, more so than Macron.

    Great to see.

    The new Merkel of Europe
    She makes it obvious that she can't stand Macron.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,336
    Just one local by-election this week - and it's tomorrow. Ind defence in Pembrokeshire.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,458
    rkrkrk said:

    eek said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Hmm. I think the Cooper - Miliband ticket has two problems.

    1) It's quite mainstream, not that exciting. Looks like continuity Starmer.

    2) Ed Balls is going to be arguing for different economic policies to Miliband and thinking he could do better.

    Cooper will have her own opinion on the Treasury given she was Chief Secretary of it (i.e. No 2 there) in 2008-9.
    Good point. I think Ed M will get more influence if he backs someone like Angela Rayner.
    The longer Starmer is there, the more Darren Jones comes in to play.

    With Ed or Cooper or even someone like Phillipson or Emma Reynolds.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,170
    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is going to need to call on the Board of Peace to help him out.

    Or FIFA...

    About that.

    A Kuwaiti analyst openly criticized Gulf policy toward Washington after the latest strikes, saying the region paid billions for influence and received nothing in return. He pointed directly to Jared Kushner, noting that Gulf money flowed heavily into his orbit, yet the same states that financed those channels still ended up facing strikes and pressure.

    His conclusion was appeasing Zionist interests and trying to buy leverage in Washington has produced humiliation, not protection. Gulf governments, he argued, must rethink the entire strategy of trying to influence the United States through money while being expected to serve Israel’s regional agenda.

    https://x.com/iwasnevrhere_/status/2033201030163296632

    Fool me once...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,712
    edited 11:59AM
    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:


    DougSeal said:

    Battlebus said:

    Lots of grumpy farts about this Monday morning.

    We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
    Good morning

    I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary

    I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen

    I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?

    My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery



    Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
    To be honest there are some on here whose use of whataboutery is legend

    I’ve not seen such. Just repetitive “what about x” with desperation when various subjects come up.

    Quality WhatAboutery used to be a major product of the Northern Ireland service sector. It’s really fallen off though. Another British industry shuttered.
    Sad lack of Irish Republicans on this site to pick you up on the "British" descriptor there. Shame. This morning was too good natured - we needed a row.
    To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.

    Also you can be British and Republican. The monarchy is as anachronistic as the Church.
    No, if if you dislike the monarchy and Church of England being established church you should move to the Irish Republic where you can have a President and Popery as your main religion to your hearts content!
    Why not put the Bible through ChatGPT to provide 'guidance' for the faithful taking out the inconsistency and nonsense. Then we could dispense with the clergy too and cease the weekly squaring of the circle. Surprised the American Evangelists haven't already.
    If you want biblical purity on everything there are already plenty of Baptist or Pentecostal churches or indeed probably more so the Roman Catholic church. The Church of England has never been a church based on biblical purity on everything, balancing scripture with tradition and reason, indeed it was founded by a King who wanted to divorce his wife and remarry as the Pope wouldn't let him and has just appointed a female Archbishop
    I note you picked me up on religion but silent on the issue of the monarchy. I'll take it we are agreed on one of the two subjects.
    Can't you read? I said if you dislike our monarchy you can also move to the Irish REPUBLIC! So no we also completely disagree on that!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,423

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Indistinguishable from Tinder
    Most interesting is Meloni, the golden girl of MAGA, the European Right Wing flame carrier.

    Has been in lock step with Starmer and Merz, more so than Macron.

    Great to see.

    The new Merkel of Europe
    She makes it obvious that she can't stand Macron.
    But she can't stand Trump more!

    I don't like Meloni's politics, but I think she's done a good job at separating her Italian right populist movement from the Trump/MAGA disaster. That's something Farage hasn't quite mastered yet.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,170
    edited 12:01PM

    https://x.com/wartranslated/status/2033497141306405353

    Trump said that kamikaze sea drones do not exist and were created by AI. Because if they existed, America would have struck them long ago.

    And is threatening to arrest for TREASON* any journalist who contradicts him.

    *Thank you for your attention to my ALL CAPS.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,712

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:


    DougSeal said:

    Battlebus said:

    Lots of grumpy farts about this Monday morning.

    We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
    Good morning

    I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary

    I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen

    I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?

    My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery



    Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
    To be honest there are some on here whose use of whataboutery is legend

    I’ve not seen such. Just repetitive “what about x” with desperation when various subjects come up.

    Quality WhatAboutery used to be a major product of the Northern Ireland service sector. It’s really fallen off though. Another British industry shuttered.
    Sad lack of Irish Republicans on this site to pick you up on the "British" descriptor there. Shame. This morning was too good natured - we needed a row.
    To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.

    Also you can be British and Republican. The monarchy is as anachronistic as the Church.
    No, if if you dislike the monarchy and Church of England being established church you should move to the Irish Republic where you can have a President and Popery as your main religion to your hearts content!
    The village in which I lived for a few years with my wife's parents has a very amiable Church of Ireland vicar, who I met at a defibrillator bake sale, and it's mainly the Church of Ireland churches that have the bell towers with enough bells to do interesting peals and the like - my daughter came over for a bellringing festival and did a tour of them round here. Not sure if there are many monarchy fans still knocking around. I'll keep a look out.

    Kinda sad that you can't accept a few Republicans and atheists as part of Britain's rich tapestry, though.
    I can as long as they accept our monarchy and established church are here to stay, if not they should move to Ireland!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,621

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Indistinguishable from Tinder
    Most interesting is Meloni, the golden girl of MAGA, the European Right Wing flame carrier.

    Has been in lock step with Starmer and Merz, more so than Macron.

    Great to see.

    The new Merkel of Europe
    She makes it obvious that she can't stand Macron.
    But she can't stand Trump more!

    I don't like Meloni's politics, but I think she's done a good job at separating her Italian right populist movement from the Trump/MAGA disaster. That's something Farage hasn't quite mastered yet.
    That's because she took a non-suck up line right from the start. Long before all this started. And that in turn is because while MAGA may have tried to adopt the Italian populist right, the Italian populist right didn't adopt MAGA.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,613
    Incidentally, if anyone is still contemplating tariff-switching, Cheap Energy Club tells me there are still a lot of ~12 month fixed deals around.

    They seem to be a few % up since I fixed several weeks ago, at least from my supplier Octopus - to who I am tied by their solar export deal.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,393
    On Topic YCWNBPM
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,621
    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Indistinguishable from Tinder
    Most interesting is Meloni, the golden girl of MAGA, the European Right Wing flame carrier.

    Has been in lock step with Starmer and Merz, more so than Macron.

    Great to see.

    The new Merkel of Europe
    No. Just. No.

    "My enemies enemy is my friend" is a silly way to go through the world. That's the thinking that gets the UK hard left singing the praises of Serbians like.... Arkan.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,711
    rkrkrk said:

    eek said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Hmm. I think the Cooper - Miliband ticket has two problems.

    1) It's quite mainstream, not that exciting. Looks like continuity Starmer.

    2) Ed Balls is going to be arguing for different economic policies to Miliband and thinking he could do better.

    Cooper will have her own opinion on the Treasury given she was Chief Secretary of it (i.e. No 2 there) in 2008-9.
    Good point. I think Ed M will get more influence if he backs someone like Angela Rayner.
    How has someone who looks to radiate the warmth of an iceberg and appearing to be an empty husk startled by headlights be considered as leader of the Labour Party. Yvette always leaves me feeling somebody has stolen her spirit, brain and joie de vivre.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,113
    Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:


    "Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:

    - A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors
    - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director
    - A board member who is an ethnic minority

    Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?

    Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?

    These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2033445415555645442?s=20

    Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,393

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Indistinguishable from Tinder
    Most interesting is Meloni, the golden girl of MAGA, the European Right Wing flame carrier.

    Has been in lock step with Starmer and Merz, more so than Macron.

    Great to see.

    The new Merkel of Europe
    She makes it obvious that she can't stand Macron.
    Far right hence being a Merz & SKS Fan
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,916
    Leon said:

    Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:


    "Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:

    - A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors
    - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director
    - A board member who is an ethnic minority

    Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?

    Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?

    These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2033445415555645442?s=20

    Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules

    Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,004
    edited 12:09PM
    Anybody remember Elon Musk? Ketamine addict with self-mutilated [redacted]? Talked a lot of shit about going to Mars (narrator: he's now not going to Mars. Yes, he's changed his mind). Well, Patrick Boyle takes him apart in an entertaining manner.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rS3fTbC7TE
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,604
    https://x.com/i/status/2033514659416875099

    YouGov confirm no change to methodology or results no matter how much Nigel cries
  • eekeek Posts: 32,881
    Companies house has revealed that the bug discovered on Friday had been there for 5 months

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/2033505859263742231

    Companies House has put out a statement confirming that, for five months, every company in the UK was vulnerable to the simple exploit we identified on Friday. It enabled anyone in the world to view and change their company details.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,691
    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:


    DougSeal said:

    Battlebus said:

    Lots of grumpy farts about this Monday morning.

    We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
    Good morning

    I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary

    I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen

    I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?

    My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery



    Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
    To be honest there are some on here whose use of whataboutery is legend

    I’ve not seen such. Just repetitive “what about x” with desperation when various subjects come up.

    Quality WhatAboutery used to be a major product of the Northern Ireland service sector. It’s really fallen off though. Another British industry shuttered.
    Sad lack of Irish Republicans on this site to pick you up on the "British" descriptor there. Shame. This morning was too good natured - we needed a row.
    To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.

    Also you can be British and Republican. The monarchy is as anachronistic as the Church.
    No, if if you dislike the monarchy and Church of England being established church you should move to the Irish Republic where you can have a President and Popery as your main religion to your hearts content!
    Why not put the Bible through ChatGPT to provide 'guidance' for the faithful taking out the inconsistency and nonsense. Then we could dispense with the clergy too and cease the weekly squaring of the circle. Surprised the American Evangelists haven't already.
    If you want biblical purity on everything there are already plenty of Baptist or Pentecostal churches or indeed probably more so the Roman Catholic church. The Church of England has never been a church based on biblical purity on everything, balancing scripture with tradition and reason, indeed it was founded by a King who wanted to divorce his wife and remarry as the Pope wouldn't let him and has just appointed a female Archbishop
    I note you picked me up on religion but silent on the issue of the monarchy. I'll take it we are agreed on one of the two subjects.
    Can't you read? I said if you dislike our monarchy you can also move to the Irish REPUBLIC! So no we also completely disagree on that!
    One final try. Why not someone like Tony Blair or Boris as President instead. Much more fun and interesting than Brian. And we can change them after a period if it is 'the will of the people'.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,776

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Indistinguishable from Tinder
    Most interesting is Meloni, the golden girl of MAGA, the European Right Wing flame carrier.

    Has been in lock step with Starmer and Merz, more so than Macron.

    Great to see.

    The new Merkel of Europe
    No. Just. No.

    "My enemies enemy is my friend" is a silly way to go through the world. That's the thinking that gets the UK hard left singing the praises of Serbians like.... Arkan.
    No one should be the new Merkel, who was herself a blithering idiot.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,621
    eek said:

    Companies house has revealed that the bug discovered on Friday had been there for 5 months

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/2033505859263742231

    Companies House has put out a statement confirming that, for five months, every company in the UK was vulnerable to the simple exploit we identified on Friday. It enabled anyone in the world to view and change their company details.

    Which means that any court case that relies on data from Companies House has just been shredded.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,170
    .
    Leon said:

    Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:


    "Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:

    - A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors
    - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director
    - A board member who is an ethnic minority

    Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?

    Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?

    These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2033445415555645442?s=20

    Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules

    You're absolutely right.

    That is indeed about 5000th on the list of reasons, as it barely qualifies at all.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,621
    Sean_F said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Indistinguishable from Tinder
    Most interesting is Meloni, the golden girl of MAGA, the European Right Wing flame carrier.

    Has been in lock step with Starmer and Merz, more so than Macron.

    Great to see.

    The new Merkel of Europe
    No. Just. No.

    "My enemies enemy is my friend" is a silly way to go through the world. That's the thinking that gets the UK hard left singing the praises of Serbians like.... Arkan.
    No one should be the new Merkel, who was herself a blithering idiot.
    Merkel still thinks that cuddling up to Putin was good plan.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,170

    https://x.com/i/status/2033514659416875099

    YouGov confirm no change to methodology or results no matter how much Nigel cries

    I remain unmoved.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,113
    edited 12:16PM

    Leon said:

    Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:


    "Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:

    - A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors
    - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director
    - A board member who is an ethnic minority

    Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?

    Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?

    These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2033445415555645442?s=20

    Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules

    Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
    Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing

    This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness

    We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,703

    On Topic YCWNBPM

    You can lay her at 32.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,691

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Indistinguishable from Tinder
    Most interesting is Meloni, the golden girl of MAGA, the European Right Wing flame carrier.

    Has been in lock step with Starmer and Merz, more so than Macron.

    Great to see.

    The new Merkel of Europe
    She makes it obvious that she can't stand Macron.
    But she can't stand Trump more!

    I don't like Meloni's politics, but I think she's done a good job at separating her Italian right populist movement from the Trump/MAGA disaster. That's something Farage hasn't quite mastered yet.
    Recently my taxi driver* who is Italian, expressed the view she is good a chess and is able to position herself well within Italian/EU politics

    * Assume that taxi driver opinions are a credible political currency from other poster's taxi driver comments.
    * * Aware that large numbers of Albanians also speak Italian.
  • For Farage to be trailing Starmer on capable PM shows just how much he’s hated by the public.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,881
    edited 12:18PM

    eek said:

    Companies house has revealed that the bug discovered on Friday had been there for 5 months

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/2033505859263742231

    Companies House has put out a statement confirming that, for five months, every company in the UK was vulnerable to the simple exploit we identified on Friday. It enabled anyone in the world to view and change their company details.

    Which means that any court case that relies on data from Companies House has just been shredded.
    only if records have been changed in the past 5 months...

    You can't trust changes but you can trust anything that hasn't been changed.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,604
    Ben Walker teasing' Gold Dust' polling to be released in NS shortly
    Poll Ramping is back in fashion
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,916
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:


    "Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:

    - A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors
    - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director
    - A board member who is an ethnic minority

    Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?

    Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?

    These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2033445415555645442?s=20

    Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules

    Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
    Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing

    This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness

    We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
    Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,113

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:


    "Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:

    - A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors
    - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director
    - A board member who is an ethnic minority

    Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?

    Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?

    These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2033445415555645442?s=20

    Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules

    Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
    Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing

    This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness

    We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
    Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
    A truly devastating response. I am so crushed I may have to stop commenting for the rest of the day
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,393
    edited 12:20PM

    On Topic YCWNBPM

    You can lay her at 32.
    Don't besmirch her reputation

    Besides am 67 so missed my opportunity
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,975

    Brixian59 said:

    The Right Wing continue to masterbate about women leaders.

    Thatcher may have been a heroine to many, an absolute and utter disgrace to equal numbers. She had I will give her credit far more balls and backbone than any Tory male of that era.

    May was a decent person, a failure as Home Secretary and handed the hospital pass of all hospital passes by her Party post Brexit trying to govern the ungovernable.

    Truss was an extremely poor Minister promoted way beyond her ability even in junior roles and it remains a complete mystery how any woman or man could vote for her.

    Badench similarly had a very poor record in Government in junior roles, awful at Trade, lauded by Australia for giving them the best Trade deal they had ever had, and her inability to find an ounce of contrition, middle ground or compromise on any issue with an ever aggressive vent bordering on behaivoural illness will be her undoing, probably before Starmer

    What of Labour, the Party of Barbara Castle, Renee Short, Claire Short , Harriet Harman. No women Leaders.

    The bottom line is who and when, which woman was better than John Smith when elected, which woman was better than Tony Blair or gordon Brown when elected, I would argue Harriet Harman was a better bet than Milliband, Yvette Cooper a better choice that Corbyn, but they wer enot chosen because the were women, they were not chosen because the factions then in charge of Labour had no suitable candidates.

    There was NOTHING "token" about Thatcher, plenty "token" about May , Truss and Badenoch.

    To finish, lets look back to 1997. The BLAIR BABES , more women MP's than EVER before, a trnd Labour contined , who were the loudest most disgusting , nasty , snide MYSOGINISTS then! The TORY men . The TORY Press, The Tory Party....so fuck off with your holier than though clap trap, some of us have longer memories than 5 years!

    'The Right Wing continue to masterbate about women leaders'.

    Sums you up in one sentence
    Also it’s masturbate !!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,776

    Ben Walker teasing' Gold Dust' polling to be released in NS shortly
    Poll Ramping is back in fashion

    Meaning a poll that is bang in line with everything else.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,621
    a
    eek said:

    eek said:

    Companies house has revealed that the bug discovered on Friday had been there for 5 months

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/2033505859263742231

    Companies House has put out a statement confirming that, for five months, every company in the UK was vulnerable to the simple exploit we identified on Friday. It enabled anyone in the world to view and change their company details.

    Which means that any court case that relies on data from Companies House has just been shredded.
    only if records have been changed in the past 5 months...

    You can't trust changes but you can trust anything that hasn't been changed.
    Outside that 5 months - that's gone for sure - how can you prove when the problem was introduced? How hard will it be to prove that for a court?

    I bet there are queues of lawyers telling the CPS that prosecution of their clients is now stuffed.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,975
    Brixian59 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Any chance that the countries trying to export the oil and LNG will police the shipping lanes?

    HIghly doubtful, that's proper Navy stuff. I doubt the UAE Navy can find the Dubai Creek using Waze.

    I think SKS will find it hard to resist DJT's order. Chance of getting back in the good books and reflected glory if, by some miracle, it goes well vs. HMS Dragon on the bottom of the Iranian Gulf. At least there wouldn't be endless C-17 rotations of coffins coming into BZZ. The sea keeps those whom she takes.
    The thought of sending US forces who occupy large teaches of UK land back home to Donald is very appealing.

    Even more appealing is what the extensive land, with existing infrastructure and high security could be quite quickly be turned in to more so.

    Prisons
    Immigration Centres
    New Towns

    New Airports dual commercial and public use
    Wind or Solar farms or both
    Data Centres

    Crack on I say

    To coin a phrase

    Fuck en off
    Get into em
    That is a phrase I’ve heard a few times 😂😂😂😂
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,793
    Leon said:

    These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."

    There were several different PMs and ministers in 2022. Doesn't help to narrow it down to simply give the year.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,458
    Battlebus said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE ON THE HORMUZ COALITION (Mon, March 16):

    🇫🇷 France: REJECTED
    🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED
    🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED
    🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED
    🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED
    🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED
    🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED
    🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED
    🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED
    🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE
    🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE
    🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION

    Indistinguishable from Tinder
    Most interesting is Meloni, the golden girl of MAGA, the European Right Wing flame carrier.

    Has been in lock step with Starmer and Merz, more so than Macron.

    Great to see.

    The new Merkel of Europe
    She makes it obvious that she can't stand Macron.
    But she can't stand Trump more!

    I don't like Meloni's politics, but I think she's done a good job at separating her Italian right populist movement from the Trump/MAGA disaster. That's something Farage hasn't quite mastered yet.
    Recently my taxi driver* who is Italian, expressed the view she is good a chess and is able to position herself well within Italian/EU politics

    * Assume that taxi driver opinions are a credible political currency from other poster's taxi driver comments.
    * * Aware that large numbers of Albanians also speak Italian.
    It's something Badenoch needs to learn too.

    She's further up Trumps ass than Farage these days
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,975

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:


    DougSeal said:

    Battlebus said:

    Lots of grumpy farts about this Monday morning.

    We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
    Good morning

    I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary

    I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen

    I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?

    My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery

    Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
    And on another hand, it's entirely fair game to discuss the presentational shortcomings of leaders, or potential leaders, since that's quite a large part of their job.
    It's not as though Starmer, or before him Sunak, are/were immune from such stuff.

    Starmer’s presentational shortcomings are, and are discussed as, his inexplicable inability to present policy to the public. And, I concede, his voice on occasion. Not his dress sense or “nagging”. Actually if Starmer did “nag” it would be a vast improvement.

    The worst I remember being directed at Sunak were references to his height.
    Although there were a lot of references to his height...
    And his wealth and his wife was used as a weapon to attack him.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,246

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:


    "Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:

    - A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors
    - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director
    - A board member who is an ethnic minority

    Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?

    Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?

    These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2033445415555645442?s=20

    Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules

    Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
    Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing

    This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness

    We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
    Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
    Modernity and diversity are not synonyms.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,604
    Sean_F said:

    Ben Walker teasing' Gold Dust' polling to be released in NS shortly
    Poll Ramping is back in fashion

    Meaning a poll that is bang in line with everything else.
    Indeed!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,393

    Ben Walker teasing' Gold Dust' polling to be released in NS shortly
    Poll Ramping is back in fashion

    Not up to Martin Kaboom Boon standard of ramping
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,975
    Cyclefree said:

    Actual woman here.

    Both left and right and even the soggy Lib Dems and Greens have a woman problem.

    Not to mention this forum, which needs a considerable dose of self-awareness on this issue as well.

    Have a good day.

    This forum is getting feedback.

    Perhaps we all should dwell on it.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,875
    How do we think Trump will respond to Europe uniformly rejecting his demand for help in Hormuz when he wakes up?

    Calmly and through usual diplomatic channels?
  • Struggling to see how anyone cannot agree Ed M is absolutely right about the need to get off fossil fuels and onto nuclear and renewables as soon as possible.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,703
    Ratters said:

    How do we think Trump will respond to Europe uniformly rejecting his demand for help in Hormuz when he wakes up?

    Calmly and through usual diplomatic channels?

    The marines are storming Calais as we type.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,246
    edited 12:28PM
    Ratters said:

    How do we think Trump will respond to Europe uniformly rejecting his demand for help in Hormuz when he wakes up?

    Calmly and through usual diplomatic channels?

    He can tell them they have a choice between pulling their weight and submitting to Russia.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,936

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:


    DougSeal said:

    Battlebus said:

    Lots of grumpy farts about this Monday morning.

    We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
    Good morning

    I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary

    I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen

    I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?

    My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery



    Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
    To be honest there are some on here whose use of whataboutery is legend

    I’ve not seen such. Just repetitive “what about x” with desperation when various subjects come up.

    Quality WhatAboutery used to be a major product of the Northern Ireland service sector. It’s really fallen off though. Another British industry shuttered.
    Sad lack of Irish Republicans on this site to pick you up on the "British" descriptor there. Shame. This morning was too good natured - we needed a row.
    To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.

    Also you can be British and Republican. The monarchy is as anachronistic as the Church.
    No, if if you dislike the monarchy and Church of England being established church you should move to the Irish Republic where you can have a President and Popery as your main religion to your hearts content!
    The village in which I lived for a few years with my wife's parents has a very amiable Church of Ireland vicar, who I met at a defibrillator bake sale, and it's mainly the Church of Ireland churches that have the bell towers with enough bells to do interesting peals and the like - my daughter came over for a bellringing festival and did a tour of them round here. Not sure if there are many monarchy fans still knocking around. I'll keep a look out.

    Kinda sad that you can't accept a few Republicans and atheists as part of Britain's rich tapestry, though.
    I thought we had plenty of both.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:


    "Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:

    - A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors
    - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director
    - A board member who is an ethnic minority

    Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?

    Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?

    These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2033445415555645442?s=20

    Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules

    Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
    Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing

    This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness

    We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
    Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
    A truly devastating response. I am so crushed I may have to stop commenting for the rest of the day
    Rarely have I been more keen for one of your posts to be true.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,860

    https://x.com/i/status/2033514659416875099

    YouGov confirm no change to methodology or results no matter how much Nigel cries

    Very Trumpy to claim victory whatever the facts on the ground are.

    And good tactics (if shitty strategy) to do so on Sunday evening when normal people aren't around to rebut.
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