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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,613
    Dopermean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    How about we take Liberal Democrat from the LibDems and from the Labour Party we could take Party?
    I suppose what we could do is have the one party with two names depending on where it's standing. So up north it's Labour and in the home counties it's the Liberal Democrats. No rule against that afaik.
    I'm more than happy for the Lib Dems to wither, losing members to the Greens

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust.

    Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    At least when it comes to the 2029 leaders' debates Polanski will be at home among the massive tits on stage alongside him.
    Indeed...

    It would be a huge shock if a Sun journalist had completely misrepresented the facts in a story.
    Zack should consider himself lucky he wasn't coerced into doing something illegal, shopped to the police and served jail time.
    I doubt most LD members would go Green, they are now a party with almost as many oiks as Reform voters since Polanski has led them. LDs under Davey are closest to Starmer Labour with a few One Nation Tories at heart who have gone LD post Brexit
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,998

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2031774440833355809

    Trump: "We may cut off trade with Spain."

    Don't be silly, you know he can't do that, what with you once being PB's foremost Eurofederalist.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,791
    HYUFD said:

    Dopermean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    How about we take Liberal Democrat from the LibDems and from the Labour Party we could take Party?
    I suppose what we could do is have the one party with two names depending on where it's standing. So up north it's Labour and in the home counties it's the Liberal Democrats. No rule against that afaik.
    I'm more than happy for the Lib Dems to wither, losing members to the Greens

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust.

    Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    At least when it comes to the 2029 leaders' debates Polanski will be at home among the massive tits on stage alongside him.
    Indeed...

    It would be a huge shock if a Sun journalist had completely misrepresented the facts in a story.
    Zack should consider himself lucky he wasn't coerced into doing something illegal, shopped to the police and served jail time.
    I doubt most LD members would go Green, they are now a party with almost as many oiks as Reform voters since Polanski has led them. LDs under Davey are closest to Starmer Labour with a few One Nation Tories at heart who have gone LD post Brexit
    Many LDs are very green. That might not be the sole characteristic of the Greens now, but would tempt a few I'd think.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,480
    Dopermean said:

    GIN1138 said:

    The right to a jury trial is a non-negotiable red line for me and *could* potentially see me voting REF at the next election, even though long-term PB'ers will know I've never liked Farage going back to 2010 and even before it but if a REF government is what it takes to bring back the right to trial by jury I'll probably hold my nose...

    Hopefully it won't come to that!

    Any excuse to go full racist.

    It's being restricted, not abolished.
    Currently 3% of prosecutions go to trial by jury, MOJ estimated that under the proposals 25% of those wouldn't.

    So reducing from 3% to 2.25% going to trial by Jury.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,449
    edited March 11

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2031774440833355809

    Trump: "We may cut off trade with Spain."

    Don't be silly, you know he can't do that, what with you once being PB's foremost Eurofederalist.
    Sure he can. Spain could get around it by funneling exports through other EU countries, which may be hard to detect. But it's not zero-cost to do so, so trade would reduce.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,613
    edited March 11
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dopermean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    How about we take Liberal Democrat from the LibDems and from the Labour Party we could take Party?
    I suppose what we could do is have the one party with two names depending on where it's standing. So up north it's Labour and in the home counties it's the Liberal Democrats. No rule against that afaik.
    I'm more than happy for the Lib Dems to wither, losing members to the Greens

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust.

    Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    At least when it comes to the 2029 leaders' debates Polanski will be at home among the massive tits on stage alongside him.
    Indeed...

    It would be a huge shock if a Sun journalist had completely misrepresented the facts in a story.
    Zack should consider himself lucky he wasn't coerced into doing something illegal, shopped to the police and served jail time.
    I doubt most LD members would go Green, they are now a party with almost as many oiks as Reform voters since Polanski has led them. LDs under Davey are closest to Starmer Labour with a few One Nation Tories at heart who have gone LD post Brexit
    Many LDs are very green. That might not be the sole characteristic of the Greens now, but would tempt a few I'd think.
    The Greens are largely ex Corbynites, since the Coalition and Brexit most LDs are closer to Starmer Labour or One Nation Tories
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,390
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    Hi Harriet

    Lehman Sisters, eh !
    A good line and she wasn't wrong.
    Every time some liberal says that womrn are inherently bettet than men, that immigrants should be favoured over British people, that black people should be privileged over white people, a few more voters go to Reform. It amazes me that they do not see this.
    I'm not saying any of that since it's not my view. But if it was I would. People shouldn't self-censor for fear of driving people to vote for a party they can't abide.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,641
    When past presidents balked at the possibility of war with Iran, they weren’t just dodging a hard choice; they were deterred by all of the obvious reasons a conflict could perilously spiral. Nobody should be shocked that the expected is now coming to pass.

    The lesson that the Trump administration seemed to learn from the failed planning for postwar Iraq is that planning isn’t worth the effort at all.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/2026/03/iran-war-trump/686314/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweACGZhSPuhiwT0bqHHUEkRA&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,791

    When past presidents balked at the possibility of war with Iran, they weren’t just dodging a hard choice; they were deterred by all of the obvious reasons a conflict could perilously spiral. Nobody should be shocked that the expected is now coming to pass.

    The lesson that the Trump administration seemed to learn from the failed planning for postwar Iraq is that planning isn’t worth the effort at all.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/2026/03/iran-war-trump/686314/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweACGZhSPuhiwT0bqHHUEkRA&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    Can't mess up the planning if you don't do any!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,561
    HYUFD said:

    Dopermean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    How about we take Liberal Democrat from the LibDems and from the Labour Party we could take Party?
    I suppose what we could do is have the one party with two names depending on where it's standing. So up north it's Labour and in the home counties it's the Liberal Democrats. No rule against that afaik.
    I'm more than happy for the Lib Dems to wither, losing members to the Greens

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust.

    Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    At least when it comes to the 2029 leaders' debates Polanski will be at home among the massive tits on stage alongside him.
    Indeed...

    It would be a huge shock if a Sun journalist had completely misrepresented the facts in a story.
    Zack should consider himself lucky he wasn't coerced into doing something illegal, shopped to the police and served jail time.
    I doubt most LD members would go Green, they are now a party with almost as many oiks as Reform voters since Polanski has led them. LDs under Davey are closest to Starmer Labour with a few One Nation Tories at heart who have gone LD post Brexit
    That reveals a breathtaking lack of understanding of the dynamics of political parties other than your own
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,024

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust.

    Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    At least when it comes to the 2029 leaders' debates Polanski will be at home among the massive tits on stage alongside him.
    And Zack will hypnotise them into becoming even bigger tits.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,380
    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    A woman leader of Iran would be a good start.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,563

    MattW said:

    Axios: President Trump told Axios in a brief phone interview Wednesday that the war with Iran will end "soon" because there is "practically nothing left to target."

    Goodoh. The Iranian navy is gone.

    So it's safe for Mr Trump to order the USN to start escorting convoys through the Straits of Hormuz.

    Don't hold your breath, best beloved ... and don't use much petrol.
    “ Goodoh”

    Does that mean snorkers for dinner?
    I tend to associate Snorky with the Banana Splits.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMl6HnhFFIA

    Alexa just threw "Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition" at me.

    Verse 2 has a politcian in it:

    Praise the Lord and swing into position.
    Can't afford to be a politician'
    Praise the Lord; we're all between perdition and the deep blue sea!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,791

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust.

    Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    At least when it comes to the 2029 leaders' debates Polanski will be at home among the massive tits on stage alongside him.
    And Zack will hypnotise them into becoming even bigger tits.
    I think it's one thing they are capable of on their own.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,390
    Dopermean said:

    Dopermean said:

    GIN1138 said:

    The right to a jury trial is a non-negotiable red line for me and *could* potentially see me voting REF at the next election, even though long-term PB'ers will know I've never liked Farage going back to 2010 and even before it but if a REF government is what it takes to bring back the right to trial by jury I'll probably hold my nose...

    Hopefully it won't come to that!

    Any excuse to go full racist.

    It's being restricted, not abolished.
    Currently 3% of prosecutions go to trial by jury, MOJ estimated that under the proposals 25% of those wouldn't.

    So reducing from 3% to 2.25% going to trial by Jury.
    I haven't seen such precious hyperbolic virtue-signalling since 'lockdown equals police state' days.

    I mean, disagree, sure, but all this 'goodbye magna carta' and 'utterly utterly shameful' shtick, jesus give me a break.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,928
    edited March 11
    kinabalu said:

    ...Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition...

    You may not be aware of the mass involuntary vasectomies ordered by Indira Gandhi and overseen by her son Sanjay between 1975 and 1977. AlJazeera insists that 8million men were vasectomised, with 2,000 dying as a result. The link is here: https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/6/25/india-forcibly-sterilised-eight-m-men-one-village-remembers-fifty-years-later.

  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,351
    kinabalu said:

    Dopermean said:

    Dopermean said:

    GIN1138 said:

    The right to a jury trial is a non-negotiable red line for me and *could* potentially see me voting REF at the next election, even though long-term PB'ers will know I've never liked Farage going back to 2010 and even before it but if a REF government is what it takes to bring back the right to trial by jury I'll probably hold my nose...

    Hopefully it won't come to that!

    Any excuse to go full racist.

    It's being restricted, not abolished.
    Currently 3% of prosecutions go to trial by jury, MOJ estimated that under the proposals 25% of those wouldn't.

    So reducing from 3% to 2.25% going to trial by Jury.
    I haven't seen such precious hyperbolic virtue-signalling since 'lockdown equals police state' days.

    I mean, disagree, sure, but all this 'goodbye magna carta' and 'utterly utterly shameful' shtick, jesus give me a break.
    Those who closed the Courts closed the Police Stations, reduced Police numbers should be first to be charged and fast tracked.

    No masonic pal magistrates either.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,351

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust.

    Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    At least when it comes to the 2029 leaders' debates Polanski will be at home among the massive tits on stage alongside him.
    And Zack will hypnotise them into becoming even bigger tits.
    Thank God Liz Truss has gone...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,498

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust. Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    It did make one really big twat though...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,390
    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    If they were like Mrs. Thatcher and Golda Meir, for sure.

    Sarah Ferguson, and Angela Rayner, not so much.
    I'm postulating a world where power is held predominantly by women not men and saying that such a world would be radically different.

    Of course we can all cite individual men and women in this current male dominated world who we admire or revile.

    Bit harsh on Angela there for me!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,998
    carnforth said:

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2031774440833355809

    Trump: "We may cut off trade with Spain."

    Don't be silly, you know he can't do that, what with you once being PB's foremost Eurofederalist.
    Sure he can. Spain could get around it by funneling exports through other EU countries, which may be hard to detect. But it's not zero-cost to do so, so trade would reduce.
    All for 27 and 27 for all.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,563
    edited March 11
    Photo of the day. These are the heat condensers of the heat pump system that supplies all of the cooling and a big chunk of the heating required by my local hospital, from today's walk.



    There are 42 of them . This is clearly the answer.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,846
    Nigelb said:

    You can see why Starmer might have foolishly believed that appointing a friend of the sex trafficker to be US ambassador might be a 'clever' move.

    But publicly adopting the standards of the Trump administration really ought to be a resignation matter for a UK PM.

    You want to know why I wasn't surprised to see Jared Kushner in this picture with Ghislaine? Because sexual blackmail is normal for these people, and they get rewarded for it! Look at his father. It's the Epstein playbook.

    Charles Kushner, Jerad Kushner' father, pleaded guilty in 2005 for fraud, tax evasion, and witness tampering. Court documents detail how he paid a prostitute $10,000 to lure his brother-in-law (a cooperating witness in the tax probe) to a New Jersey motel, where the encounter was covertly recorded. Kushner then mailed the video to his sister (the witness's wife) to silence her testimony.
    What kind of person does this to their sister?
    He served about 14-16 months before release. Kushner was then pardoned by President Trump on December 23, 2020, which cleared his record and allowed him to resume professional activities (he had been disbarred in New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania). Trump then nominated him as the U.S. Ambassador to France on November 30, 2024; he was confirmed by the Senate in early 2025 and assumed the role in July 2025.

    https://x.com/KnoxieLuv/status/2031691051920998402

    Even by the standards of this administration, in comparison with which the Nixon administration was a paragon of virtue, that is just astonishing. Attempt to pervert the course of justice?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,390

    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    A woman leader of Iran would be a good start.
    That's a great example. And if only we had a time machine back to Nov 24, the White House.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,561
    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    If they were like Mrs. Thatcher and Golda Meir, for sure.

    Sarah Ferguson, and Angela Rayner, not so much.
    I'm postulating a world where power is held predominantly by women not men and saying that such a world would be radically different.

    Of course we can all cite individual men and women in this current male dominated world who we admire or revile.

    Bit harsh on Angela there for me!
    It would be different not because it would be some enlightened equal-opportunities paradise, but because men would find themselves on the end of the same sort of discrimination and condescension (through a mechanism unspecified) that women have endured for centuries.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,162
    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2031797732562567610

    A Chinese-owned cargo ship attempting to run the Strait of Hormuz made a complete U-turn this morning after the ship in front of it was attacked by an Iranian USV.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,909
    kle4 said:

    When past presidents balked at the possibility of war with Iran, they weren’t just dodging a hard choice; they were deterred by all of the obvious reasons a conflict could perilously spiral. Nobody should be shocked that the expected is now coming to pass.

    The lesson that the Trump administration seemed to learn from the failed planning for postwar Iraq is that planning isn’t worth the effort at all.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/2026/03/iran-war-trump/686314/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweACGZhSPuhiwT0bqHHUEkRA&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    Can't mess up the planning if you don't do any!
    Fail to plan, plan to fail.
  • Taz said:

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust. Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Unlike the tits ?
    Sadly the number of tits who support the Greens is currently growing.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,608

    When past presidents balked at the possibility of war with Iran, they weren’t just dodging a hard choice; they were deterred by all of the obvious reasons a conflict could perilously spiral. Nobody should be shocked that the expected is now coming to pass.

    The lesson that the Trump administration seemed to learn from the failed planning for postwar Iraq is that planning isn’t worth the effort at all.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/2026/03/iran-war-trump/686314/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweACGZhSPuhiwT0bqHHUEkRA&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    From X:

    "Trump says the decision to bomb Iran came after advice from Jared Kushner, Steve Witkoff and Pete Hegseth.

    "A real estate developer. A television host. And the president’s son-in-law.

    "Not intelligence chiefs. Not military command."

    Explains a lot.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,162
    Ed Davey is the thinking man’s populist.

    https://x.com/edwardjdavey/status/2031784821987361130

    Winston Churchill helped defeat fascism in Europe. He deserves better than being replaced by a badger 🦡
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,561

    Taz said:

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust. Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Unlike the tits ?
    Sadly the number of tits who support the Greens is currently growing.
    Tits to the Greens, twats to Reform; at least such distinctions will restore the ease that canvassers once had back in the eighties, when it all came down to wealth and social class.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,651
    If Starmer takes full responsibility for the mistake of hiring Mandelson, as he and his acolytes continue to regularly insist, shouldn’t he be paying the £70k?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,642

    When past presidents balked at the possibility of war with Iran, they weren’t just dodging a hard choice; they were deterred by all of the obvious reasons a conflict could perilously spiral. Nobody should be shocked that the expected is now coming to pass.

    The lesson that the Trump administration seemed to learn from the failed planning for postwar Iraq is that planning isn’t worth the effort at all.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/2026/03/iran-war-trump/686314/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweACGZhSPuhiwT0bqHHUEkRA&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    From X:

    "Trump says the decision to bomb Iran came after advice from Jared Kushner, Steve Witkoff and Pete Hegseth.

    "A real estate developer. A television host. And the president’s son-in-law.

    "Not intelligence chiefs. Not military command."

    Explains a lot.
    He went on to name the boy scouts and anyone that's ever watched youtube as likely more culpable than he is.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,998
    edited March 11

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2031797732562567610

    A Chinese-owned cargo ship attempting to run the Strait of Hormuz made a complete U-turn this morning after the ship in front of it was attacked by an Iranian USV.

    The CSCL Sir Keir Starmer?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,249
    edited March 11
    Evening all :)

    I come on here, after an afternoon of watching Cheltenham (the racecourse in an LD constituency by the way) only to find little or no love for the party from some of the contributors.

    Apparently some want us to wither and die - most uncharitable. It's a plural democracy - we should have as many voices as possible. I mean if all we ever heard was Reform or Labour or Conservative, how boring would that be.

    The "war" apparently continues though I'm not wholly sure what's happening. Oil is back around $90 a barrel and the IEA is releasing 400 million barrels which although sounding a lot is four days supply.

    Petrol up another 1p at my local Tesco's so 10p higher than a fortnight ago but still back to where it was in 2022.

    Plenty of polling today and it really is a question of weighting, sampling and methodology - somebody will have got this right, somebody else will be wrong, time will tell.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,846

    Ed Davey is the thinking man’s populist.

    https://x.com/edwardjdavey/status/2031784821987361130

    Winston Churchill helped defeat fascism in Europe. He deserves better than being replaced by a badger 🦡

    He has really lost the place. Its time the Lib Dems went for someone serious.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,642

    Ed Davey is the thinking man’s populist.

    https://x.com/edwardjdavey/status/2031784821987361130

    Winston Churchill helped defeat fascism in Europe. He deserves better than being replaced by a badger 🦡

    Well you can post all you like on PB, gently hinting that there might be votes in ditching Davey, and yet they like their man.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,909
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    ...Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition...

    You may not be aware of the mass involuntary vasectomies ordered by Indira Gandhi and overseen by her son Sanjay between 1975 and 1977. AlJazeera insists that 8million men were vasectomised, with 2,000 dying as a result. The link is here: https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/6/25/india-forcibly-sterilised-eight-m-men-one-village-remembers-fifty-years-later.

    Not rubbishing even a single death, but 2000 out of 8 million isn't a lot, is it? Out of that 8 million, quite a few must have died from other causes too.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,641

    Ed Davey
    @EdwardJDavey
    ·
    1h
    Winston Churchill helped defeat fascism in Europe. He deserves better than being replaced by a badger 🦡

    https://x.com/EdwardJDavey/status/2031784821987361130
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,563

    carnforth said:

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2031774440833355809

    Trump: "We may cut off trade with Spain."

    Don't be silly, you know he can't do that, what with you once being PB's foremost Eurofederalist.
    Sure he can. Spain could get around it by funneling exports through other EU countries, which may be hard to detect. But it's not zero-cost to do so, so trade would reduce.
    All for 27 and 27 for all.
    Has he explained how he going to cut trade with Spain, yet?

    If the USAF and USN get chucked out of the bases for a few years it will hurt the USA more.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,024
    Thoughts and prayers with the ‘Iran bought a Tomahawk missile from Ukraine, fired it at the school and then filled the ruins with refrigerated bodies of kids killed in the protests’ guys.

    Breaking News: The U.S. was responsible for a missile strike on an Iranian school, an ongoing military investigation found. The inquiry said the strike — which Iranian officials said killed at least 175 people — was the result of a targeting mistake.

    https://x.com/nytimes/status/2031754198723789087?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,651
    Our new friend Brixian had a weird insult about Kemi earlier, that seemed to go unremarked

    “She sounds like a man”

    Brixian sounds like he wants to be Roger’s bff
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,351

    If Starmer takes full responsibility for the mistake of hiring Mandelson, as he and his acolytes continue to regularly insist, shouldn’t he be paying the £70k?

    When will Boris pay back thev£37,000,000,000 given to Dildo Harding for a glorified spreadsheet

    Thats just the tip of the Tory iceberg
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,641
    @GregTSargent

    Trump and Vance's promise of "no new wars" was ubiquitous. It clearly helped drive young people to Trump.

    But now, youth pollster John Della Volpe tells me his interviews with young men show a deep sense of betrayal. Fascinating stuff from him here. 4/

    https://x.com/GregTSargent/status/2031697783414051219
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,162

    @GregTSargent

    Trump and Vance's promise of "no new wars" was ubiquitous. It clearly helped drive young people to Trump.

    But now, youth pollster John Della Volpe tells me his interviews with young men show a deep sense of betrayal. Fascinating stuff from him here. 4/

    https://x.com/GregTSargent/status/2031697783414051219

    Trump would say he isn't starting a war, but finishing a war that was started by Jimmy Carter and if he was president, it would never have happened.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,556
    On the bright side for Starmer, only 99.8% of the docs left to emerge
    #probablybefine
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,986

    Ed Davey is the thinking man’s populist.

    https://x.com/edwardjdavey/status/2031784821987361130

    Winston Churchill helped defeat fascism in Europe. He deserves better than being replaced by a badger 🦡

    They're missing a trick with banknotes. Why not offer up paid advertising space on the notes instead of wasting this prime real estate on pictures of dead white guys or woodland creatures. Since the pool of people who actually use bank notes is essentially the same as those who watch GB News I assume the dominant advertisers would be the producers of mobility aids like stairlifts and those baths you can walk into. If they want to have a Churchill lookalike modeling the bath all the better, I suppose, ticks all the boxes at once.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,651
    Brixian59 said:

    If Starmer takes full responsibility for the mistake of hiring Mandelson, as he and his acolytes continue to regularly insist, shouldn’t he be paying the £70k?

    When will Boris pay back thev£37,000,000,000 given to Dildo Harding for a glorified spreadsheet

    Thats just the tip of the Tory iceberg
    When did Boris accept full responsibility for that?

    Starmer claims that he’s admitted that it’s entirely his fault (so he forced someone else to resign for his mistake)

  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,642
    edited March 11

    On the bright side for Starmer, only 99.8% of the docs left to emerge
    #probablybefine

    And a month to find the 0.2% that didn't look so bad!

    (Whilst I wouldn't want to jeopardise police enquiries in any way I feel in this case they should just stand aside and not look as though they are covering up too. Of course they won't do that because they are actually covering up)
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,020

    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    Agreed

    Other than Reeves though
    Paula Venels & Cressida Dick have entered the chat.

    The problem is not diversity in the sense of sex, race or creed. It’s is an absence of diversity of thought and behaviour.

    The #NU10K appear diverse, superficially. But their indifferent vacuity and lack of moral responsibility is uniform.
    You can add Alison Rose, Sharon White, Dido Harding to your example.

    I'm sure there are others I've forgotten as well.

    Note also how many such people are closely related to other such people.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,369

    @GregTSargent

    Trump and Vance's promise of "no new wars" was ubiquitous. It clearly helped drive young people to Trump.

    But now, youth pollster John Della Volpe tells me his interviews with young men show a deep sense of betrayal. Fascinating stuff from him here. 4/

    https://x.com/GregTSargent/status/2031697783414051219

    Trump would say he isn't starting a war, but finishing a war that was started by Jimmy Carter and if he was president, it would never have happened.
    "It started back in August 1941"
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,390
    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    If they were like Mrs. Thatcher and Golda Meir, for sure.

    Sarah Ferguson, and Angela Rayner, not so much.
    I'm postulating a world where power is held predominantly by women not men and saying that such a world would be radically different.

    Of course we can all cite individual men and women in this current male dominated world who we admire or revile.

    Bit harsh on Angela there for me!
    It would be different not because it would be some enlightened equal-opportunities paradise, but because men would find themselves on the end of the same sort of discrimination and condescension (through a mechanism unspecified) that women have endured for centuries.
    Very likely. But I do think some important evils would be less prevalent. First and foremost (and topically) gratuitous mass violence aka repression and war.

    But there's no point dreaming, I suppose. You have to deal with things as they are. Epic Furies etc. Thankfully I'm in Hampstead.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,556
    Omnium said:

    On the bright side for Starmer, only 99.8% of the docs left to emerge
    #probablybefine

    And a month to find the 0.2% that didn't look so bad!

    (Whilst I wouldn't want to jeopardise police enquiries in any way I feel in this case they should just stand aside and not look as though they are covering up too. Of course they won't do that because they are actually covering up)
    I do wonder how long Labour MPs will allow the sore to fester
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,846
    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    You can see why Starmer might have foolishly believed that appointing a friend of the sex trafficker to be US ambassador might be a 'clever' move.

    But publicly adopting the standards of the Trump administration really ought to be a resignation matter for a UK PM.

    You want to know why I wasn't surprised to see Jared Kushner in this picture with Ghislaine? Because sexual blackmail is normal for these people, and they get rewarded for it! Look at his father. It's the Epstein playbook.

    Charles Kushner, Jerad Kushner' father, pleaded guilty in 2005 for fraud, tax evasion, and witness tampering. Court documents detail how he paid a prostitute $10,000 to lure his brother-in-law (a cooperating witness in the tax probe) to a New Jersey motel, where the encounter was covertly recorded. Kushner then mailed the video to his sister (the witness's wife) to silence her testimony.
    What kind of person does this to their sister?
    He served about 14-16 months before release. Kushner was then pardoned by President Trump on December 23, 2020, which cleared his record and allowed him to resume professional activities (he had been disbarred in New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania). Trump then nominated him as the U.S. Ambassador to France on November 30, 2024; he was confirmed by the Senate in early 2025 and assumed the role in July 2025.

    https://x.com/KnoxieLuv/status/2031691051920998402

    Even by the standards of this administration, in comparison with which the Nixon administration was a paragon of virtue, that is just astonishing. Attempt to pervert the course of justice?
    I redid Watergate the other week and that was my exact thought. With the absolute cesspit of Trump on my mind I found myself going, what was all the fuss about there. No biggie.

    Which illustrates the immeasurable damage Trump is doing. He's not just dragging standards down he's trashing the whole concept of having any. This, for me, is his poison. Far more than his policies, domestic or foreign.
    Totally agree. The real damage is not the individual lies, the grifting, the ridiculous appointments, the insults to erstwhile allies, the damage to the US constitution with the help of an appalling corrupt and dishonest USSC, I could go on all day. The real damage is that the bar for public life, for any sense of integrity, for any sense of duty rather than self interest, has just collapsed. Trump will not, single handily, destroy the US but what comes next after the damage that he has done. How do they ever get back from that?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,627

    @GregTSargent

    Trump and Vance's promise of "no new wars" was ubiquitous. It clearly helped drive young people to Trump.

    But now, youth pollster John Della Volpe tells me his interviews with young men show a deep sense of betrayal. Fascinating stuff from him here. 4/

    https://x.com/GregTSargent/status/2031697783414051219

    Trump would say he isn't starting a war, but finishing a war that was started by Jimmy Carter and if he was president, it would never have happened.
    Maybe.
    But he talks senile bollocks.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,563

    @GregTSargent

    Trump and Vance's promise of "no new wars" was ubiquitous. It clearly helped drive young people to Trump.

    But now, youth pollster John Della Volpe tells me his interviews with young men show a deep sense of betrayal. Fascinating stuff from him here. 4/

    https://x.com/GregTSargent/status/2031697783414051219

    Trump would say he isn't starting a war, but finishing a war that was started by Jimmy Carter and if he was president, it would never have happened.
    "It started back in August 1941"
    Also in that thread:

    A great point in @lkatfield's book on MAGA right is how all this grandiose playacting reflects a hyper-masculine ethic that’s deeply solipsistic and juvenile—so much so that it's actually “unmanly.”

    WH and DHS twitter feeds traffic in this constantly.
    https://x.com/GregTSargent/status/2031707825123025224

  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,651
    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,909

    Ed Davey is the thinking man’s populist.

    https://x.com/edwardjdavey/status/2031784821987361130

    Winston Churchill helped defeat fascism in Europe. He deserves better than being replaced by a badger 🦡

    They're missing a trick with banknotes. Why not offer up paid advertising space on the notes instead of wasting this prime real estate on pictures of dead white guys or woodland creatures. Since the pool of people who actually use bank notes is essentially the same as those who watch GB News I assume the dominant advertisers would be the producers of mobility aids like stairlifts and those baths you can walk into. If they want to have a Churchill lookalike modeling the bath all the better, I suppose, ticks all the boxes at once.
    Slight problem for advertisers is, who on earth looks at a bank note to read what's on it?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,641
    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1
    Dems just scored an upset win in a New Hampshire special election — giving the GOP fresh reason to worry:

    Democrat Bobbi Boudman won the special election for Carroll County District 7, defeating Republican Dale Fincher 51-47% in a district that voted Republican by more than 13 points just 16 months ago.

    https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/2031745730126225914
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,038
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    Hi Harriet

    Lehman Sisters, eh !
    A good line and she wasn't wrong.
    Every time some liberal says that womrn are inherently bettet than men, that immigrants should be favoured over British people, that black people should be privileged over white people, a few more voters go to Reform. It amazes me that they do not see this.
    I'm not saying any of that since it's not my view. But if it was I would. People shouldn't self-censor for fear of driving people to vote for a party they can't abide.
    Imagine if the fictional Lehman Sisters had gone bust and some shit for brains politician smugly announced that it woulrn't have happenrd if it was Lehman Brothers. He would have been denounced and rightly so.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,351

    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?

    Judging by the very rapid blinking in her ITV News interview tonight at 640pn, I would suggest the deep voice may be for another reason.

    Forensic Investigatirs see it as a clear sign of serial lying, they may also seek other explanations.

    I hope she is OK she very clearly has an optical issue.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,162
    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2031801568450760944

    Following tonight’s large-scale rocket barrage against Northern Israel, Hezbollah has announced the start of Operation Eaten Straw.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,651
    Brixian59 said:

    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?

    Judging by the very rapid blinking in her ITV News interview tonight at 640pn, I would suggest the deep voice may be for another reason.

    Forensic Investigatirs see it as a clear sign of serial lying, they may also seek other explanations.

    I hope she is OK she very clearly has an optical issue.

    Oh.. that was obviously what you meant when you said she sounds like a man

    Your misogyny doesn’t stand clear at all
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,322

    Ed Davey is the thinking man’s populist.

    https://x.com/edwardjdavey/status/2031784821987361130

    Winston Churchill helped defeat fascism in Europe. He deserves better than being replaced by a badger 🦡

    They're missing a trick with banknotes. Why not offer up paid advertising space on the notes instead of wasting this prime real estate on pictures of dead white guys or woodland creatures. Since the pool of people who actually use bank notes is essentially the same as those who watch GB News I assume the dominant advertisers would be the producers of mobility aids like stairlifts and those baths you can walk into. If they want to have a Churchill lookalike modeling the bath all the better, I suppose, ticks all the boxes at once.
    Haha - gosh how killingly funny!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,642

    Omnium said:

    On the bright side for Starmer, only 99.8% of the docs left to emerge
    #probablybefine

    And a month to find the 0.2% that didn't look so bad!

    (Whilst I wouldn't want to jeopardise police enquiries in any way I feel in this case they should just stand aside and not look as though they are covering up too. Of course they won't do that because they are actually covering up)
    I do wonder how long Labour MPs will allow the sore to fester
    Well, they do indeed have a riddle to solve. As it involves questions like 'why did I become a Labour MP?' I suspect they'll be at it quite a while.

    I'm reasonably sure that Starmer is safe until May, and even after whatever happens then I think he'll probably be able to continue if he chooses to do so. And I'm not sure he will if the catastrophes continue to stack up. I'm 100% sure they won't be able to replace with anyone much better, and will most likely replace him with someone far, far worse.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,642

    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?

    Context is everything. Battleships are often referred to as female. And my aunt... (my aunts are all dead, but one or two of them were quite formidable and didn't just sound like battleships - and I loved them very much and I'm sure they wouldn't mind in the least me poking fun)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,498

    Thoughts and prayers with the ‘Iran bought a Tomahawk missile from Ukraine, fired it at the school and then filled the ruins with refrigerated bodies of kids killed in the protests’ guys.

    Breaking News: The U.S. was responsible for a missile strike on an Iranian school, an ongoing military investigation found. The inquiry said the strike — which Iranian officials said killed at least 175 people — was the result of a targeting mistake.

    https://x.com/nytimes/status/2031754198723789087?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That is what happens when you sub-contract your targeting to AI, apparently.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,498
    Brixian59 said:

    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?

    Judging by the very rapid blinking in her ITV News interview tonight at 640pn, I would suggest the deep voice may be for another reason.

    Forensic Investigatirs see it as a clear sign of serial lying, they may also seek other explanations.

    I hope she is OK she very clearly has an optical issue.

    You fucking don't hope she is OK.

    You despise that she appears to be moving forward. Despite your 24/7 efforts to belittle her.





  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,651
    edited March 11
    Has anyone here heard of anyone other than Starmer having to sit round the kitchen table with their family to discuss being unable to pay the bills?

    His parents were a tool factory owner and a nurse

    Were they sick minded parents, or are they inventions?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,651
    Omnium said:

    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?

    Context is everything. Battleships are often referred to as female. And my aunt... (my aunts are all dead, but one or two of them were quite formidable and didn't just sound like battleships - and I loved them very much and I'm sure they wouldn't mind in the least me poking fun)
    Brixy thinks that it’s a suitable criticism of Badenoch

    Do you agree?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,390
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    Hi Harriet

    Lehman Sisters, eh !
    A good line and she wasn't wrong.
    Every time some liberal says that womrn are inherently bettet than men, that immigrants should be favoured over British people, that black people should be privileged over white people, a few more voters go to Reform. It amazes me that they do not see this.
    I'm not saying any of that since it's not my view. But if it was I would. People shouldn't self-censor for fear of driving people to vote for a party they can't abide.
    Imagine if the fictional Lehman Sisters had gone bust and some shit for brains politician smugly announced that it woulrn't have happenrd if it was Lehman Brothers. He would have been denounced and rightly so.
    An oddly visceral reaction to a gently humourous remark with a grain of truth from a female politician.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,642

    Omnium said:

    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?

    Context is everything. Battleships are often referred to as female. And my aunt... (my aunts are all dead, but one or two of them were quite formidable and didn't just sound like battleships - and I loved them very much and I'm sure they wouldn't mind in the least me poking fun)
    Brixy thinks that it’s a suitable criticism of Badenoch

    Do you agree?
    I can't believe you asked me that.

    So, er, obviously no.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,525
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    Hi Harriet

    Lehman Sisters, eh !
    A good line and she wasn't wrong.
    Every time some liberal says that womrn are inherently bettet than men, that immigrants should be favoured over British people, that black people should be privileged over white people, a few more voters go to Reform. It amazes me that they do not see this.
    I'm not saying any of that since it's not my view. But if it was I would. People shouldn't self-censor for fear of driving people to vote for a party they can't abide.
    Imagine if the fictional Lehman Sisters had gone bust and some shit for brains politician smugly announced that it woulrn't have happenrd if it was Lehman Brothers. He would have been denounced and rightly so.
    imagine getting so worked up about something that never happened
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,651
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?

    Context is everything. Battleships are often referred to as female. And my aunt... (my aunts are all dead, but one or two of them were quite formidable and didn't just sound like battleships - and I loved them very much and I'm sure they wouldn't mind in the least me poking fun)
    Brixy thinks that it’s a suitable criticism of Badenoch

    Do you agree?
    I can't believe you asked me that.

    So, er, obviously no.
    Sorry! I hadn’t absorbed the full sense of your post
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,998

    Omnium said:

    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?

    Context is everything. Battleships are often referred to as female. And my aunt... (my aunts are all dead, but one or two of them were quite formidable and didn't just sound like battleships - and I loved them very much and I'm sure they wouldn't mind in the least me poking fun)
    Brixy thinks that it’s a suitable criticism of Badenoch

    Do you agree?
    Is it snowflake day on PB?

    You are on here every day slagging off Starmer (I thought I made a fantastic Starmer U turn joke about an hour ago, and not a titter) and then you cry foul if another poster takes a pop at a Conservative politician you are fanboiing.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,322
    Dopermean said:

    Dopermean said:

    GIN1138 said:

    The right to a jury trial is a non-negotiable red line for me and *could* potentially see me voting REF at the next election, even though long-term PB'ers will know I've never liked Farage going back to 2010 and even before it but if a REF government is what it takes to bring back the right to trial by jury I'll probably hold my nose...

    Hopefully it won't come to that!

    Any excuse to go full racist.

    It's being restricted, not abolished.
    Currently 3% of prosecutions go to trial by jury, MOJ estimated that under the proposals 25% of those wouldn't.

    So reducing from 3% to 2.25% going to trial by Jury.
    Yes, its only a *restriction* of ancient liberties - not a wholesale abolition - people are so f***ing touchy aren't they?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,159

    Has anyone here heard of anyone other than Starmer having to sit round the kitchen table with their family to discuss being unable to pay the bills?

    His parents were a tool factory owner and a nurse

    Were they sick minded parents, or are they inventions?

    Huh? It's pretty common for families to struggle to pay bills and kitchen table is a pretty normal place to discuss it? Happened in my house as a teenager once old enough to understand things a bit.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,642

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?

    Context is everything. Battleships are often referred to as female. And my aunt... (my aunts are all dead, but one or two of them were quite formidable and didn't just sound like battleships - and I loved them very much and I'm sure they wouldn't mind in the least me poking fun)
    Brixy thinks that it’s a suitable criticism of Badenoch

    Do you agree?
    I can't believe you asked me that.

    So, er, obviously no.
    Sorry! I hadn’t absorbed the full sense of your post
    And so you should be.

    I don't want to gang up on this, but Brixy as you call him is not making posts of any great merit and rather steers me away from PB.

    Anyway stop exploding. If you do explode properly we want the video rights - Actual Posty going postal.

    And how did you get on with the mathematical riddle?

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,162

    Omnium said:

    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?

    Context is everything. Battleships are often referred to as female. And my aunt... (my aunts are all dead, but one or two of them were quite formidable and didn't just sound like battleships - and I loved them very much and I'm sure they wouldn't mind in the least me poking fun)
    Brixy thinks that it’s a suitable criticism of Badenoch

    Do you agree?
    Is it snowflake day on PB?

    You are on here every day slagging off Starmer (I thought I made a fantastic Starmer U turn joke about an hour ago, and not a titter) and then you cry foul if another poster takes a pop at a Conservative politician you are fanboiing.
    I read it before you added the bold part and thought you were making a joke about it being Chinese owned.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,651

    Omnium said:

    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?

    Context is everything. Battleships are often referred to as female. And my aunt... (my aunts are all dead, but one or two of them were quite formidable and didn't just sound like battleships - and I loved them very much and I'm sure they wouldn't mind in the least me poking fun)
    Brixy thinks that it’s a suitable criticism of Badenoch

    Do you agree?
    Is it snowflake day on PB?

    You are on here every day slagging off Starmer (I thought I made a fantastic Starmer U turn joke about an hour ago, and not a titter) and then you cry foul if another poster takes a pop at a Conservative politician you are fanboiing.
    I’ve really enjoyed your recent posts, but I do occasionally have to skip bits of PB on work days

    Can you please post the link to your joke? I’m quite sure I’d like it
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,651

    Omnium said:

    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?

    Context is everything. Battleships are often referred to as female. And my aunt... (my aunts are all dead, but one or two of them were quite formidable and didn't just sound like battleships - and I loved them very much and I'm sure they wouldn't mind in the least me poking fun)
    Brixy thinks that it’s a suitable criticism of Badenoch

    Do you agree?
    Is it snowflake day on PB?

    You are on here every day slagging off Starmer (I thought I made a fantastic Starmer U turn joke about an hour ago, and not a titter) and then you cry foul if another poster takes a pop at a Conservative politician you are fanboiing.
    But do you think that “she sounds like a man” is acceptable and relevant?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,998

    Omnium said:

    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?

    Context is everything. Battleships are often referred to as female. And my aunt... (my aunts are all dead, but one or two of them were quite formidable and didn't just sound like battleships - and I loved them very much and I'm sure they wouldn't mind in the least me poking fun)
    Brixy thinks that it’s a suitable criticism of Badenoch

    Do you agree?
    Is it snowflake day on PB?

    You are on here every day slagging off Starmer (I thought I made a fantastic Starmer U turn joke about an hour ago, and not a titter) and then you cry foul if another poster takes a pop at a Conservative politician you are fanboiing.
    I read it before you added the bold part and thought you were making a joke about it being Chinese owned.
    I thought you said it was a Chinese vessel making the U turn, which is why I added the Chinese prefix to Sir Keir Starmer.

    I added the bold type face on the original post, I amended "Sir" in the edit.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,369

    Our new friend Brixian had a weird insult about Kemi earlier, that seemed to go unremarked

    “She sounds like a man”

    Brixian sounds like he wants to be Roger’s bff

    Basil Exposition: [after Austin punched Basil's mother and attempted to pull her hair out] You have a lot of explaining to do!

    Austin Powers: I'm sorry, Basil. I thought she was a man.

    Basil Exposition: Dammit, man! You're talking about my Mother!

    Austin Powers: Well, you have to admit, she is rather man-ish.

    Basil Exposition: [shocked] Austin!

    Austin Powers: Well, no offense, but if that is a woman it does look like she was beaten with an ugly stick!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,449
    Brixian59 said:

    If Starmer takes full responsibility for the mistake of hiring Mandelson, as he and his acolytes continue to regularly insist, shouldn’t he be paying the £70k?

    When will Boris pay back thev£37,000,000,000 given to Dildo Harding for a glorified spreadsheet

    Thats just the tip of the Tory iceberg
    Not sure we've had a "37bn for an app" truther on PB before. A new low.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,613
    edited March 11
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dopermean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    How about we take Liberal Democrat from the LibDems and from the Labour Party we could take Party?
    I suppose what we could do is have the one party with two names depending on where it's standing. So up north it's Labour and in the home counties it's the Liberal Democrats. No rule against that afaik.
    I'm more than happy for the Lib Dems to wither, losing members to the Greens

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust.

    Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    At least when it comes to the 2029 leaders' debates Polanski will be at home among the massive tits on stage alongside him.
    Indeed...

    It would be a huge shock if a Sun journalist had completely misrepresented the facts in a story.
    Zack should consider himself lucky he wasn't coerced into doing something illegal, shopped to the police and served jail time.
    I doubt most LD members would go Green, they are now a party with almost as many oiks as Reform voters since Polanski has led them. LDs under Davey are closest to Starmer Labour with a few One Nation Tories at heart who have gone LD post Brexit
    That reveals a breathtaking lack of understanding of the dynamics of political parties other than your own
    No it does not.

    Since the Coalition the LDs voter demographic has completely changed. Under Charles Kennedy they were the party of left of Labour, high tax and spend anti War voters. Those voters then went back to Labour under Ed Miliband in disgust at the LD coalition government with the Tories and voted with enthusiasm for Corbyn and now many even most of them have gone Green.

    Since Brexit meanwhile many voters who voted Tory for Cameron and to a lesser extent May and were Remainers have gone LD. Hence the average LD voter is now firmly centrist, indeed most of the seats they won in 2024 lean centre right if anything and normally used to elect Tory MPs. Starmer Labour meanwhile picked up some who voted Tory since 2010 in 2024 while it has leaked voters who backed Corbyn and Ed Miliband as above to the Greens.

    The Tories meanwhile have leaked a lot of the voters Boris won in 2019 to Reform and having already leaked some Remainers to Labour and the LDs only the true hardcore Tories like me are still voting for the party under Kemi
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,998

    Omnium said:

    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?

    Context is everything. Battleships are often referred to as female. And my aunt... (my aunts are all dead, but one or two of them were quite formidable and didn't just sound like battleships - and I loved them very much and I'm sure they wouldn't mind in the least me poking fun)
    Brixy thinks that it’s a suitable criticism of Badenoch

    Do you agree?
    Is it snowflake day on PB?

    You are on here every day slagging off Starmer (I thought I made a fantastic Starmer U turn joke about an hour ago, and not a titter) and then you cry foul if another poster takes a pop at a Conservative politician you are fanboiing.
    But do you think that “she sounds like a man” is acceptable and relevant?
    No I don't, and no not really and no it isn't, however I don't believe any of it particularly offensive. Some of the stuff you write about Starmer is at least equally edgy. Although I don't particularly like Starmer so I can live with that.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,824
    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    How about including a noble to the party’s Liverpool stronghold: Eh’fluence
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,651

    Omnium said:

    Is “she sounds like a man” not a cancellable offence in these gender sensitive days?

    Context is everything. Battleships are often referred to as female. And my aunt... (my aunts are all dead, but one or two of them were quite formidable and didn't just sound like battleships - and I loved them very much and I'm sure they wouldn't mind in the least me poking fun)
    Brixy thinks that it’s a suitable criticism of Badenoch

    Do you agree?
    Is it snowflake day on PB?

    You are on here every day slagging off Starmer (I thought I made a fantastic Starmer U turn joke about an hour ago, and not a titter) and then you cry foul if another poster takes a pop at a Conservative politician you are fanboiing.
    But do you think that “she sounds like a man” is acceptable and relevant?
    No I don't, and no not really and no it isn't, however I don't believe any of it particularly offensive. Some of the stuff you write about Starmer is at least equally edgy. Although I don't particularly like Starmer so I can live with that.
    What have I ever said about Starmer that's close to a kind of misgendering?

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,824
    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    You can call it something ridiculous like Stellantis. Or Omni Political Products ("Come With Me If You Want To Vote"). Or the Sirius Cyberpolitics Corporation ("Vote and Enjoy!!!").

    Leyland-Yutani would be fun. "Building Better British Worlds"...which then breaks down on the A62.
    They're all good but I do like Confluence. The image conjured is two rivers joining seamlessly together to form a bigger river flowing in the same direction. On it goes until it reaches the sea and that sea (in this context) is a comfortable overall majority at Westminster.
    I think you should give them a nod to their Liverpool stronghold: Eh’fluence
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,565
    edited March 11
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dopermean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    How about we take Liberal Democrat from the LibDems and from the Labour Party we could take Party?
    I suppose what we could do is have the one party with two names depending on where it's standing. So up north it's Labour and in the home counties it's the Liberal Democrats. No rule against that afaik.
    I'm more than happy for the Lib Dems to wither, losing members to the Greens

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust.

    Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    At least when it comes to the 2029 leaders' debates Polanski will be at home among the massive tits on stage alongside him.
    Indeed...

    It would be a huge shock if a Sun journalist had completely misrepresented the facts in a story.
    Zack should consider himself lucky he wasn't coerced into doing something illegal, shopped to the police and served jail time.
    I doubt most LD members would go Green, they are now a party with almost as many oiks as Reform voters since Polanski has led them. LDs under Davey are closest to Starmer Labour with a few One Nation Tories at heart who have gone LD post Brexit
    That reveals a breathtaking lack of understanding of the dynamics of political parties other than your own
    No it does not.

    Since the Coalition the LDs voter demographic has completely changed. Under Charles Kennedy they were the party of left of Labour, high tax and spend anti War voters. Those voters then went back to Labour under Ed Miliband in disgust at the LD coalition government with the Tories and voted with enthusiasm for Corbyn and now many even most of the have gone Green.

    Since Brexit meanwhile many voters who voted Tory for Cameron and to a lesser extent May and were Remainers have gone LD, hence the average LD voter is now firmly centrist, indeed most of the seats they won in 2024 lean centre right if anything and normally used to elect Tory MPs. Starmer Labour meanwhile picked up some who voted Tory since 2010 in 2024 while it has leaked voters who backed Corbyn and Ed Miliband as above to the Greens.

    The Tories meanwhile have leaked a lot of the voters Boris won in 2019 to Reform and having already leaked some Remainers to Labour and the LDs only the true hardcore Tories like me are still voting for the party under Kemi
    You and me are polls apart but unlike you I vote conservative and back Kemi, not constantly trying to undermine her

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,565
    Starmer is coming under fire from all sides including his own
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,824
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    You can call it something ridiculous like Stellantis. Or Omni Political Products ("Come With Me If You Want To Vote"). Or the Sirius Cyberpolitics Corporation ("Vote and Enjoy!!!").

    Leyland-Yutani would be fun. "Building Better British Worlds"...which then breaks down on the A62.
    They're all good but I do like Confluence. The image conjured is two rivers joining seamlessly together to form a bigger river flowing in the same direction. On it goes until it reaches the sea and that sea (in this context) is a comfortable overall majority at Westminster.
    Effluence.
    That would be the manifesto, I think, if we're going with this.

    The effluence of policies from Confluence.
    The manifesto would be effluent.
    The Greens might clean up
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,724
    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    I'm willing to give it a go.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,651

    Starmer is coming under fire from all sides including his own

    His dismalness deserves it
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,613


    Ed Davey
    @EdwardJDavey
    ·
    1h
    Winston Churchill helped defeat fascism in Europe. He deserves better than being replaced by a badger 🦡

    https://x.com/EdwardJDavey/status/2031784821987361130

    Churchill of course a Liberal almost as long as he was a Tory, well done Sir Ed
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,613

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dopermean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    How about we take Liberal Democrat from the LibDems and from the Labour Party we could take Party?
    I suppose what we could do is have the one party with two names depending on where it's standing. So up north it's Labour and in the home counties it's the Liberal Democrats. No rule against that afaik.
    I'm more than happy for the Lib Dems to wither, losing members to the Greens

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust.

    Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    At least when it comes to the 2029 leaders' debates Polanski will be at home among the massive tits on stage alongside him.
    Indeed...

    It would be a huge shock if a Sun journalist had completely misrepresented the facts in a story.
    Zack should consider himself lucky he wasn't coerced into doing something illegal, shopped to the police and served jail time.
    I doubt most LD members would go Green, they are now a party with almost as many oiks as Reform voters since Polanski has led them. LDs under Davey are closest to Starmer Labour with a few One Nation Tories at heart who have gone LD post Brexit
    That reveals a breathtaking lack of understanding of the dynamics of political parties other than your own
    No it does not.

    Since the Coalition the LDs voter demographic has completely changed. Under Charles Kennedy they were the party of left of Labour, high tax and spend anti War voters. Those voters then went back to Labour under Ed Miliband in disgust at the LD coalition government with the Tories and voted with enthusiasm for Corbyn and now many even most of the have gone Green.

    Since Brexit meanwhile many voters who voted Tory for Cameron and to a lesser extent May and were Remainers have gone LD, hence the average LD voter is now firmly centrist, indeed most of the seats they won in 2024 lean centre right if anything and normally used to elect Tory MPs. Starmer Labour meanwhile picked up some who voted Tory since 2010 in 2024 while it has leaked voters who backed Corbyn and Ed Miliband as above to the Greens.

    The Tories meanwhile have leaked a lot of the voters Boris won in 2019 to Reform and having already leaked some Remainers to Labour and the LDs only the true hardcore Tories like me are still voting for the party under Kemi
    You and me are polls apart but unlike you I vote conservative and back Kemi, not constantly trying to undermine her

    Fine but you must recognise that the Conservatives are polling even lower than the 24% they got in 2024 which was in turn the lowest voteshare for the Conservative party at a general election in its history.

    I backed Kemi's position on Iran this week and if the Tories do well in May I will be fully behind her
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,565

    Starmer is coming under fire from all sides including his own

    His dismalness deserves it
    Sky

    The Prime Minister is in hiding

    The heat is on him

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,390
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    ...Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition...

    You may not be aware of the mass involuntary vasectomies ordered by Indira Gandhi and overseen by her son Sanjay between 1975 and 1977. AlJazeera insists that 8million men were vasectomised, with 2,000 dying as a result. The link is here: https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/6/25/india-forcibly-sterilised-eight-m-men-one-village-remembers-fifty-years-later.
    I wasn't. That is despicable. And there are other examples of female led horrors at various times in various places. I'm not for a second thinking only men are capable of it.
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