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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,995
    edited February 25
    Brixian59 said:

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle, like Rebekah Vardy, you’re a grass.

    Snitches gets stitches.

    Can't stand Hoyle or Mandelson but you just know if Labour were still in 'protect our Peter' mode Sir Lindsay would be pulliing out all the stops to run cover for them. Him grassing Mandelson up is probably the clearest sign that Labour are going to hang Petie out to dry with alacrity.
    Hoyle hates Starmer that's clear.

    I suspect as the son of a lifelong Labour man, who like him has been immersed in Westminster, he hates the idea of a Johnny come lately arriving in 2015 and being leader so quickly.

    His constant put downs all about Commons tradition and protocols and procedures.

    Particularly policy announcements.
    'His constant put downs all about Commons tradition and protocols and procedures'

    That is the Speaker's job and it is extraordinary how much he is being attacked for informing the police

    Let us not forget who is under investigation here, as uncomfortable as it is for labour
  • Site OK now
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,873
    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
  • Kemi setting the agenda again

    Sir Keir Starmer has said the government is to look at ways of making the student loans system "fairer".

    He made the pledge as he blamed rising loan costs on the Conservatives - after being asked about the issue by Tory leader Kemi Badenoch at Prime Minister's Questions (PMQs) on Wednesday.

    Speaking to reporters, Sir Keir's spokesman also suggested that ministers may consider reforms such as slashing interest rates and changing the repayment threshold.

    Earlier this week, Ms Badenoch promised to cut the interest paid on some student loans if elected, amid growing concern about the impact on graduates' finances.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,577
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    First, of course.

    Labour and the Lib Dem simpletons need to see the greens for what they are. Not cost fluffy frenemies that are environmentalists but hard left, ruthless, Corbynistas.

    If they don’t they’ll get battered by them.

    Indeed. They are not the Ramsay/Chowns Ecology Party types any more.
    Which does mean they might disintegrate in Waveney and Herefordshire just as they storm the cities
    I bumped into a Corbynista trade unionist the other day who stood as Labour Parliamentary candidate in a staunchly blue shire constituency near me, winning 26% of the vote, up from 17% in the 2015 GE in the same constituency.

    There's quite a substantial far left vote in rural and market town England, and with the swing to Greens, I expect them to hold Waveney and Herefordshire quite comfortably.
    My socialist sympathies were formented by my Mother’s family, who were self-employed builders in rural Suffolk, until they were shafted by the local squire, and had to move away and work for others. There was a strong socialist support from the more independent minded agricultural labourers in East Anglia, which will still be reflected in Waveney. Was there the same tradition in rural Herefordshire?
  • Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    You said yesterday that you do not use twitter !!!!!!!!!
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837

    Brixian59 said:

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle, like Rebekah Vardy, you’re a grass.

    Snitches gets stitches.

    Can't stand Hoyle or Mandelson but you just know if Labour were still in 'protect our Peter' mode Sir Lindsay would be pulliing out all the stops to run cover for them. Him grassing Mandelson up is probably the clearest sign that Labour are going to hang Petie out to dry with alacrity.
    Hoyle hates Starmer that's clear.

    I suspect as the son of a lifelong Labour man, who like him has been immersed in Westminster, he hates the idea of a Johnny come lately arriving in 2015 and being leader so quickly.

    His constant put downs all about Commons tradition and protocols and procedures.

    Particularly policy announcements.
    'His constant put downs all about Commons tradition and protocols and procedures'

    That is the Speaker's job and it is extraordinary how much he is being attacked for informing the police

    Let us not forget who is under investigation here, as uncomfortable as it is for labour
    I've not criticised him for contacting the Police.

    You're playing the man again and not the ball.

    He needed to as Mandelson had suggested initially it might be Michael Forsyth.

    Hoyle did right to make his position clear.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,873
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

  • Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle, like Rebekah Vardy, you’re a grass.

    Snitches gets stitches.

    Can't stand Hoyle or Mandelson but you just know if Labour were still in 'protect our Peter' mode Sir Lindsay would be pulliing out all the stops to run cover for them. Him grassing Mandelson up is probably the clearest sign that Labour are going to hang Petie out to dry with alacrity.
    Hoyle hates Starmer that's clear.

    I suspect as the son of a lifelong Labour man, who like him has been immersed in Westminster, he hates the idea of a Johnny come lately arriving in 2015 and being leader so quickly.

    His constant put downs all about Commons tradition and protocols and procedures.

    Particularly policy announcements.
    'His constant put downs all about Commons tradition and protocols and procedures'

    That is the Speaker's job and it is extraordinary how much he is being attacked for informing the police

    Let us not forget who is under investigation here, as uncomfortable as it is for labour
    I've not criticised him for contacting the Police.

    You're playing the man again and not the ball.

    He needed to as Mandelson had suggested initially it might be Michael Forsyth.

    Hoyle did right to make his position clear.
    Your words

    'Hoyle hates Starmer that's clear.

    I suspect as the son of a lifelong Labour man, who like him has been immersed in Westminster, he hates the idea of a Johnny come lately arriving in 2015 and being leader so quickly.'
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,728
    Brixian59 said:

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle, like Rebekah Vardy, you’re a grass.

    Snitches gets stitches.

    Can't stand Hoyle or Mandelson but you just know if Labour were still in 'protect our Peter' mode Sir Lindsay would be pulliing out all the stops to run cover for them. Him grassing Mandelson up is probably the clearest sign that Labour are going to hang Petie out to dry with alacrity.
    Hoyle hates Starmer that's clear.

    I suspect as the son of a lifelong Labour man, who like him has been immersed in Westminster, he hates the idea of a Johnny come lately arriving in 2015 and being leader so quickly.

    His constant put downs all about Commons tradition and protocols and procedures.

    Particularly policy announcements.
    Hoyle was very happy to finagle the SNP Gaza motion to prevent embarrassment to Starmer, much good that it did either of the mealy mouthed twats. I’d be surprised if they don’t occupy pretty much the same ideological wing of Labour.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle, like Rebekah Vardy, you’re a grass.

    Snitches gets stitches.

    Can't stand Hoyle or Mandelson but you just know if Labour were still in 'protect our Peter' mode Sir Lindsay would be pulliing out all the stops to run cover for them. Him grassing Mandelson up is probably the clearest sign that Labour are going to hang Petie out to dry with alacrity.
    Hoyle hates Starmer that's clear.

    I suspect as the son of a lifelong Labour man, who like him has been immersed in Westminster, he hates the idea of a Johnny come lately arriving in 2015 and being leader so quickly.

    His constant put downs all about Commons tradition and protocols and procedures.

    Particularly policy announcements.
    'His constant put downs all about Commons tradition and protocols and procedures'

    That is the Speaker's job and it is extraordinary how much he is being attacked for informing the police

    Let us not forget who is under investigation here, as uncomfortable as it is for labour
    I've not criticised him for contacting the Police.

    You're playing the man again and not the ball.

    He needed to as Mandelson had suggested initially it might be Michael Forsyth.

    Hoyle did right to make his position clear.
    Your words

    'Hoyle hates Starmer that's clear.

    I suspect as the son of a lifelong Labour man, who like him has been immersed in Westminster, he hates the idea of a Johnny come lately arriving in 2015 and being leader so quickly.'
    What's that to do with you attacking me for attacking Hoyle for fobbing Mandy in to the cops.im not one of the ones who have done that.

    Your having a go about something entirely different.

    Play the ball man
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,372

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,576

    For fans of niche stats to crunch, on More in Commons February tables theres some work done for Prosper on the missing Tories.
    Its broken down constituency by constituency (from MRP data) by 'have ever voted Con' 'still voting Con' 'was Con now Lab/LD/Grn' 'was Con now Ref' 'was Con now not sure or WNV'
    Now of course not accurate to any nth degree but scanning for places where 'still con' is a reasonable figure and higher than both 'now lab etc' AND 'now ref' gives a flavour of ehere Con might be doing better.
    Ill let anyone interested go look but some thoughts - London looks reasonable for some Tory advances, rural Yorkshire and the home counties broker belt still look pretty good etc etc
    One nugget - i can see why Kruger ran a mile from a by election!

    Link?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,577
    DRoss being an arse, part 784.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1e9dld84e8o
    I particularly liked the comment referring to his other job as an Assistant Referee and the comment about his outburst being during a debate about the behaviour of MSPs.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837
    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    You said yesterday that you do not use twitter !!!!!!!!!
    I don't use twitter I closed my account

    I can still see feeds though
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,564
    @peterwalker99.bsky.social‬

    Oh, hello.

    [From a Labour Gorton & Denton campaign video]

    https://bsky.app/profile/peterwalker99.bsky.social/post/3mfozuvhsnc26
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,003
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle, like Rebekah Vardy, you’re a grass.

    Snitches gets stitches.

    Can't stand Hoyle or Mandelson but you just know if Labour were still in 'protect our Peter' mode Sir Lindsay would be pulliing out all the stops to run cover for them. Him grassing Mandelson up is probably the clearest sign that Labour are going to hang Petie out to dry with alacrity.
    Hoyle hates Starmer that's clear.

    I suspect as the son of a lifelong Labour man, who like him has been immersed in Westminster, he hates the idea of a Johnny come lately arriving in 2015 and being leader so quickly.

    His constant put downs all about Commons tradition and protocols and procedures.

    Particularly policy announcements.
    'His constant put downs all about Commons tradition and protocols and procedures'

    That is the Speaker's job and it is extraordinary how much he is being attacked for informing the police

    Let us not forget who is under investigation here, as uncomfortable as it is for labour
    I've not criticised him for contacting the Police.

    You're playing the man again and not the ball.

    He needed to as Mandelson had suggested initially it might be Michael Forsyth.

    Hoyle did right to make his position clear.
    “Hoyle hates Starmer that's clear.”

    Playing the man and not the ball?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,873

    For fans of niche stats to crunch, on More in Commons February tables theres some work done for Prosper on the missing Tories.
    Its broken down constituency by constituency (from MRP data) by 'have ever voted Con' 'still voting Con' 'was Con now Lab/LD/Grn' 'was Con now Ref' 'was Con now not sure or WNV'
    Now of course not accurate to any nth degree but scanning for places where 'still con' is a reasonable figure and higher than both 'now lab etc' AND 'now ref' gives a flavour of ehere Con might be doing better.
    Ill let anyone interested go look but some thoughts - London looks reasonable for some Tory advances, rural Yorkshire and the home counties broker belt still look pretty good etc etc
    One nugget - i can see why Kruger ran a mile from a by election!

    Link?
    https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/polling-tables/february-2026-polling-tables/
    'MRP FOR PROSPER'
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,940
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    You said yesterday that you do not use twitter !!!!!!!!!
    I don't use twitter I closed my account

    I can still see feeds though
    I stopped using Twitter, I'm an X user now :wink:
  • Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,558
    edited February 25
    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.
    If you forgive part of the debt it makes no difference to lower-paid graduates who don't get close to paying off the debt, but it's a giveaway to very highly-paid graduates who get to pay it off earlier.

    It's worth remembering that it was setup to be a graduate tax in all but name, so you're not supposed to be able to pay it off. So, unless you scrap it entirely, it's all about the threshold it starts to be charged at, and the rate you're taxed at above that threshold.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837

    Kemi setting the agenda again

    Sir Keir Starmer has said the government is to look at ways of making the student loans system "fairer".

    He made the pledge as he blamed rising loan costs on the Conservatives - after being asked about the issue by Tory leader Kemi Badenoch at Prime Minister's Questions (PMQs) on Wednesday.

    Speaking to reporters, Sir Keir's spokesman also suggested that ministers may consider reforms such as slashing interest rates and changing the repayment threshold.

    Earlier this week, Ms Badenoch promised to cut the interest paid on some student loans if elected, amid growing concern about the impact on graduates' finances.

    Labour have been looking at the issue for a year.

    Bridget has announced a massive piece of future policy and legislation this week.

    Student loans was always planned for phase 2.

    All miss clever clogs has done is pick a small segment of a huge mouldy cake. Mould created by tory mismanagement dumped on to the long grass for Labour to sort


    She cherry picks a bit, a fraction of a fraction, makes some half baked suggestion, gets outed to by Lewis and now tries to claim a u turn.

    She is intellectually challenged, was a disaster as a Minister. Out of her depth but full of arrogance

    Those who ramp her up continuously fail to see she lacks vision, has no real plan, is a political guerrilla, sneaking in to the fringes of a topic, biting off a bit before vanishing.

    Thats not leadership, it's pure unadulterated opportunism.Sound bite political sniping. OK for the junior minister level she is.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,647
    Judge Salas was assigned 4 days ago to unravel all of the money laundering in the Epstein case. Hundred of millions worth with banks, suspects, whole black book. Yesterday a gunman shows up at her house, shoots her husband, kills her son, and escapes without going into house.
    https://x.com/TimJDillon/status/128506274635503206

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,873
    'Setting the agenda'

    The facts dont matter, shes doing a Reform and claiming shes the one leading on it. And the media are reflecting that. Deal with it.
    Starmer didnt get ambushed and apologised to and treated like someone who needs to be talked to to get this right because he hasnt been talking about it.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,598
    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    It's an extraordinarily weird debt, first up the nominal value goes up at RPI +3, so it's increasing in real terms each year - essentially it is designed to be a tax rather than a debt but if you're rich enough you can just pay it off ! So it's a tax for most people, unless you're rich in which case it's a debt or you're poor in which case it isn't relevant or for most people effectively a tax but with a whacking great psychological nominal figure next to it that'll be written off after 30 years or so.

    A real Frankenstein's monster of a system tbh.

    I don't know what an average £ of the debt would sell for in the open market tbh since when it gets to it's highest point it suddenly hits zero.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,383
    My current prediction is a Green win at the by-election.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837

    'Setting the agenda'

    The facts dont matter, shes doing a Reform and claiming shes the one leading on it. And the media are reflecting that. Deal with it.
    Starmer didnt get ambushed and apologised to and treated like someone who needs to be talked to to get this right because he hasnt been talking about it.

    Starmer has Ministers. They talk about it.

    Kemi is so vain that on a number of occasions she has broken protocol to answer or propose for Opposition when relevant Minister would usually do do.

    Has she not?

    Thats disrespectful to her Ministers and borderline narcissistic
  • eekeek Posts: 32,676
    Nigelb said:

    Judge Salas was assigned 4 days ago to unravel all of the money laundering in the Epstein case. Hundred of millions worth with banks, suspects, whole black book. Yesterday a gunman shows up at her house, shoots her husband, kills her son, and escapes without going into house.
    https://x.com/TimJDillon/status/128506274635503206

    Um that tweet has disappeared because well the story seems to be from July 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/01/us-judge-esther-salas-threats
  • They can look at my bets on the Greens if they want. I bet on them because I thought they were going to win. I still think they are although I am not as confident as I was. I think that the Greens and Reform are both completely unfit to govern our country, but can well understand if the good people of Gorton and Denton choose to vote for them, to give this government a lesson.
    I just hope it doesn't lead to Starmer being replaced. A decent man who is not quite up to a difficult job. Whereas the ignorance, spitefulness and selfish ambition of mamy of his Cabinet is appalling,. How many of the current crew would have made Harold Wilson's cabinet? It can't be more than a handful.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837
    Andy_JS said:

    My current prediction is a Green win at the by-election.

    Green 29
    Labour 28
    Reform 26
    Tory 7
    LD 3
    Other 4
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 119
    Brixian59 said:

    Kemi setting the agenda again

    Sir Keir Starmer has said the government is to look at ways of making the student loans system "fairer".

    He made the pledge as he blamed rising loan costs on the Conservatives - after being asked about the issue by Tory leader Kemi Badenoch at Prime Minister's Questions (PMQs) on Wednesday.

    Speaking to reporters, Sir Keir's spokesman also suggested that ministers may consider reforms such as slashing interest rates and changing the repayment threshold.

    Earlier this week, Ms Badenoch promised to cut the interest paid on some student loans if elected, amid growing concern about the impact on graduates' finances.

    Labour have been looking at the issue for a year.

    Bridget has announced a massive piece of future policy and legislation this week.

    ...

    She announced SEND reforms this week.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,728
    Who had a Ukrainian invasion of Hungary in their crystal ball? Viktor did, that's who!

    Szabolcs Panyi
    @panyiszabolcs
    ·
    3h
    💥BREAKING: Viktor Orbán ordered the military deployed to guard “key energy facilities,” citing a possible Ukrainian “attack” to disrupt Hungary’s energy system. The move fuels fears of a staged national security emergency or false-flag incident ahead of the April 12 elections.🧵

    https://x.com/panyiszabolcs/status/2026645311041466539?s=20
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,873
    Brixian59 said:

    'Setting the agenda'

    The facts dont matter, shes doing a Reform and claiming shes the one leading on it. And the media are reflecting that. Deal with it.
    Starmer didnt get ambushed and apologised to and treated like someone who needs to be talked to to get this right because he hasnt been talking about it.

    Starmer has Ministers. They talk about it.

    Kemi is so vain that on a number of occasions she has broken protocol to answer or propose for Opposition when relevant Minister would usually do do.

    Has she not?

    Thats disrespectful to her Ministers and borderline narcissistic
    They don't. Otherwise there would not have been an opening to exploit.
    You'll have to give an exsmple of the latter stuff. Unless you mean the budget when, no, its LOTO who responds
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837
    Pulpstar said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    It's an extraordinarily weird debt, first up the nominal value goes up at RPI +3, so it's increasing in real terms each year - essentially it is designed to be a tax rather than a debt but if you're rich enough you can just pay it off ! So it's a tax for most people, unless you're rich in which case it's a debt or you're poor in which case it isn't relevant or for most people effectively a tax but with a whacking great psychological nominal figure next to it that'll be written off after 30 years or so.

    A real Frankenstein's monster of a system tbh.

    I don't know what an average £ of the debt would sell for in the open market tbh since when it gets to it's highest point it suddenly hits zero.
    Are you proposing selling it on the open market?

    Interested
    Interesting
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,762
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Judge Salas was assigned 4 days ago to unravel all of the money laundering in the Epstein case. Hundred of millions worth with banks, suspects, whole black book. Yesterday a gunman shows up at her house, shoots her husband, kills her son, and escapes without going into house.
    https://x.com/TimJDillon/status/128506274635503206

    Um that tweet has disappeared because well the story seems to be from July 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/01/us-judge-esther-salas-threats
    And the motive was apparently personal

    https://x.com/grok/status/2026660276695662751?s=46
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,575

    Kemi setting the agenda again

    Sir Keir Starmer has said the government is to look at ways of making the student loans system "fairer".

    He made the pledge as he blamed rising loan costs on the Conservatives - after being asked about the issue by Tory leader Kemi Badenoch at Prime Minister's Questions (PMQs) on Wednesday.

    Speaking to reporters, Sir Keir's spokesman also suggested that ministers may consider reforms such as slashing interest rates and changing the repayment threshold.

    Earlier this week, Ms Badenoch promised to cut the interest paid on some student loans if elected, amid growing concern about the impact on graduates' finances.

    Stuffing the taxpayer to buy votes. Why not sensible policies on building more infrastructure. In Southern Spain and the small town I am in has a tram/rail/bus/dual carriageway link to the main city in the region. Build rather than give away.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837

    Brixian59 said:

    'Setting the agenda'

    The facts dont matter, shes doing a Reform and claiming shes the one leading on it. And the media are reflecting that. Deal with it.
    Starmer didnt get ambushed and apologised to and treated like someone who needs to be talked to to get this right because he hasnt been talking about it.

    Starmer has Ministers. They talk about it.

    Kemi is so vain that on a number of occasions she has broken protocol to answer or propose for Opposition when relevant Minister would usually do do.

    Has she not?

    Thats disrespectful to her Ministers and borderline narcissistic
    They don't. Otherwise there would not have been an opening to exploit.
    You'll have to give an exsmple of the latter stuff. Unless you mean the budget when, no, its LOTO who responds
    I'm not talking about the Budget

    I'm talking about a handful of occasions when BBC Sky etc have actually pointed out that the relevant minister would normally reply.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,873
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    'Setting the agenda'

    The facts dont matter, shes doing a Reform and claiming shes the one leading on it. And the media are reflecting that. Deal with it.
    Starmer didnt get ambushed and apologised to and treated like someone who needs to be talked to to get this right because he hasnt been talking about it.

    Starmer has Ministers. They talk about it.

    Kemi is so vain that on a number of occasions she has broken protocol to answer or propose for Opposition when relevant Minister would usually do do.

    Has she not?

    Thats disrespectful to her Ministers and borderline narcissistic
    They don't. Otherwise there would not have been an opening to exploit.
    You'll have to give an exsmple of the latter stuff. Unless you mean the budget when, no, its LOTO who responds
    I'm not talking about the Budget

    I'm talking about a handful of occasions when BBC Sky etc have actually pointed out that the relevant minister would normally reply.
    Ive not seen that so *shrugs*
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837
    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Kemi setting the agenda again

    Sir Keir Starmer has said the government is to look at ways of making the student loans system "fairer".

    He made the pledge as he blamed rising loan costs on the Conservatives - after being asked about the issue by Tory leader Kemi Badenoch at Prime Minister's Questions (PMQs) on Wednesday.

    Speaking to reporters, Sir Keir's spokesman also suggested that ministers may consider reforms such as slashing interest rates and changing the repayment threshold.

    Earlier this week, Ms Badenoch promised to cut the interest paid on some student loans if elected, amid growing concern about the impact on graduates' finances.

    Labour have been looking at the issue for a year.

    Bridget has announced a massive piece of future policy and legislation this week.

    ...

    She announced SEND reforms this week.
    SEND is a massive part of the overall Education brief is it not, and a major pull on the budget, policy and overall Education brief
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,564
    @kevinhollinrake
    Breaking: Former Leader of Reform UK in Cornwall joins the
    @Conservatives


    “I resigned as Leader of Reform UK because they were not serious about delivering change”.

    A councillor with real world defence industry experience who believes in lower taxes, protecting frontline services, and getting Britain working again. Great to have you on board. 🇬🇧

    Welcome to the Conservative team, Rob
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837

    Brixian59 said:

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle, like Rebekah Vardy, you’re a grass.

    Snitches gets stitches.

    Can't stand Hoyle or Mandelson but you just know if Labour were still in 'protect our Peter' mode Sir Lindsay would be pulliing out all the stops to run cover for them. Him grassing Mandelson up is probably the clearest sign that Labour are going to hang Petie out to dry with alacrity.
    Hoyle hates Starmer that's clear.

    I suspect as the son of a lifelong Labour man, who like him has been immersed in Westminster, he hates the idea of a Johnny come lately arriving in 2015 and being leader so quickly.

    His constant put downs all about Commons tradition and protocols and procedures.

    Particularly policy announcements.
    Hoyle was very happy to finagle the SNP Gaza motion to prevent embarrassment to Starmer, much good that it did either of the mealy mouthed twats. I’d be surprised if they don’t occupy pretty much the same ideological wing of Labour.
    Doug Hoyle came from Tory stock and was influential in setting up Labour friends of Israel. He was a Coop man.

    Lyndsey very much arrived on his father's coat tails and quite non descript

    I think the Tory equivalent would be the highly respected Edward nd the non descript Mark Garnier
  • Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,270
    edited February 25

    I see we have another Met cock up.

    Met apologises to Commons speaker for sharing tip-off with Mandelson’s lawyers

    Exclusive: Lindsay Hoyle told MPs he had shared information ex-US ambassador planned to flee UK with police ‘in good faith’


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/feb/25/commons-speaker-says-he-passed-information-to-met-that-peter-mandelson-planned-to-flee-uk

    The whole story is absurd. Never mind that Long Haul Lindsay should maybe have thought twice about going to the British Virgin Islands given his nickname rhymes with Air Miles Andy, surely we have an extradition treaty with them. Surely the clue is in the name.

    I'm calling for everyone to resign.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,383
    Brixian59 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My current prediction is a Green win at the by-election.

    Green 29
    Labour 28
    Reform 26
    Tory 7
    LD 3
    Other 4
    Something like that. I think Reform might just get second place over Labour.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,822

    Who had a Ukrainian invasion of Hungary in their crystal ball? Viktor did, that's who!

    Szabolcs Panyi
    @panyiszabolcs
    ·
    3h
    💥BREAKING: Viktor Orbán ordered the military deployed to guard “key energy facilities,” citing a possible Ukrainian “attack” to disrupt Hungary’s energy system. The move fuels fears of a staged national security emergency or false-flag incident ahead of the April 12 elections.🧵

    https://x.com/panyiszabolcs/status/2026645311041466539?s=20

    What advantage would that be to Ukraine? They're a bit busy atm.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,134
    Scott_xP said:

    @kevinhollinrake
    Breaking: Former Leader of Reform UK in Cornwall joins the
    @Conservatives


    “I resigned as Leader of Reform UK because they were not serious about delivering change”.

    A councillor with real world defence industry experience who believes in lower taxes, protecting frontline services, and getting Britain working again. Great to have you on board. 🇬🇧

    Welcome to the Conservative team, Rob

    Trickle to a flood?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,205
    AnneJGP said:

    Who had a Ukrainian invasion of Hungary in their crystal ball? Viktor did, that's who!

    Szabolcs Panyi
    @panyiszabolcs
    ·
    3h
    💥BREAKING: Viktor Orbán ordered the military deployed to guard “key energy facilities,” citing a possible Ukrainian “attack” to disrupt Hungary’s energy system. The move fuels fears of a staged national security emergency or false-flag incident ahead of the April 12 elections.🧵

    https://x.com/panyiszabolcs/status/2026645311041466539?s=20

    What advantage would that be to Ukraine? They're a bit busy atm.
    Its Orban playing Putinist/Trumpian games.
  • Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
    What seems to be getting to you is Kemi is leading the agenda and blind siding labour

    Maybe its just Kemi is winning arguments and it causes you great distress
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,003

    I see we have another Met cock up.

    Met apologises to Commons speaker for sharing tip-off with Mandelson’s lawyers

    Exclusive: Lindsay Hoyle told MPs he had shared information ex-US ambassador planned to flee UK with police ‘in good faith’


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/feb/25/commons-speaker-says-he-passed-information-to-met-that-peter-mandelson-planned-to-flee-uk

    The whole story is absurd. Never mind that Long Haul Lindsay should maybe have thought twice about going to the British Virgin Islands given his nickname rhymes with Air Miles Andy, surely we have an extradition treaty with them. Surely the clue is in the name.

    I'm calling for everyone to resign.
    Just because a country have an extradition treaty with the U.K. doesn’t make going there anymore or less doing a runner.

    I get that some of Mandy’s friends are upset that he is being treated just like everyone else. Rather than arrest-by-appointment when he decides to return from holiday.

    As I recall, in government, Mandy backed the policy of taking passports from fathers who had family court judgements against them, relating to divorce.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,576
    Cicero said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Who had a Ukrainian invasion of Hungary in their crystal ball? Viktor did, that's who!

    Szabolcs Panyi
    @panyiszabolcs
    ·
    3h
    💥BREAKING: Viktor Orbán ordered the military deployed to guard “key energy facilities,” citing a possible Ukrainian “attack” to disrupt Hungary’s energy system. The move fuels fears of a staged national security emergency or false-flag incident ahead of the April 12 elections.🧵

    https://x.com/panyiszabolcs/status/2026645311041466539?s=20

    What advantage would that be to Ukraine? They're a bit busy atm.
    Its Orban playing Putinist/Trumpian games.
    Ramping up the ethno tensions in an attempt to prevent defeat in the upcoming election. So, yes, Trumpian. No wonder MAGA love Orban.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,003
    Cicero said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Who had a Ukrainian invasion of Hungary in their crystal ball? Viktor did, that's who!

    Szabolcs Panyi
    @panyiszabolcs
    ·
    3h
    💥BREAKING: Viktor Orbán ordered the military deployed to guard “key energy facilities,” citing a possible Ukrainian “attack” to disrupt Hungary’s energy system. The move fuels fears of a staged national security emergency or false-flag incident ahead of the April 12 elections.🧵

    https://x.com/panyiszabolcs/status/2026645311041466539?s=20

    What advantage would that be to Ukraine? They're a bit busy atm.
    Its Orban playing Putinist/Trumpian games.
    Maybe he’s seen my map of Greater Ukraine?
  • isamisam Posts: 43,709

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
    What seems to be getting to you is Kemi is leading the agenda and blind siding labour

    Maybe its just Kemi is winning arguments and it causes you great distress
    What could possibly rile a Labour diehard about the Tories being led a strong minded black woman who doesn't play along with the victim status expected of being female and not white?

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,504
    edited February 25
    Battlebus said:

    Kemi setting the agenda again

    Sir Keir Starmer has said the government is to look at ways of making the student loans system "fairer".

    He made the pledge as he blamed rising loan costs on the Conservatives - after being asked about the issue by Tory leader Kemi Badenoch at Prime Minister's Questions (PMQs) on Wednesday.

    Speaking to reporters, Sir Keir's spokesman also suggested that ministers may consider reforms such as slashing interest rates and changing the repayment threshold.

    Earlier this week, Ms Badenoch promised to cut the interest paid on some student loans if elected, amid growing concern about the impact on graduates' finances.

    Stuffing the taxpayer to buy votes. Why not sensible policies on building more infrastructure. In Southern Spain and the small town I am in has a tram/rail/bus/dual carriageway link to the main city in the region. Build rather than give away.
    I don't think linking the interest rate to inflation could be characterised as "giving away" cash. It's an effective tax cut for working people, not an unconditional freebie like WFP.

    I think the rate on my Plan 4 maintenance loan is fair tbh at 3.2%. It's the 9% of my earnings plus IT plus NICs that pings me up to 56% that is somewhat irritating.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
    What seems to be getting to you is Kemi is leading the agenda and blind siding labour

    Maybe its just Kemi is winning arguments and it causes you great distress
    What's upsetting you is that someone is questioning your ramping up and adulation

    Man up and admit that Lewis is adamant she is wrong and has only apologised for his behaviour.

    She may be setting agendas on your head, she may be in her head but when Lewis eviscerates her plans, as he has done with Reeves and Hunt she is going to look pretty stupid.

    I hate spin and lies
    I will out spin and lies

  • Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
    What seems to be getting to you is Kemi is leading the agenda and blind siding labour

    Maybe its just Kemi is winning arguments and it causes you great distress
    What's upsetting you is that someone is questioning your ramping up and adulation

    Man up and admit that Lewis is adamant she is wrong and has only apologised for his behaviour.

    She may be setting agendas on your head, she may be in her head but when Lewis eviscerates her plans, as he has done with Reeves and Hunt she is going to look pretty stupid.

    I hate spin and lies
    I will out spin and lies

    You certainly do seem to be doing your level best to out spin, and out lie, everyone else.

    Quite impressive.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,709

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
    What seems to be getting to you is Kemi is leading the agenda and blind siding labour

    Maybe its just Kemi is winning arguments and it causes you great distress
    What's upsetting you is that someone is questioning your ramping up and adulation

    Man up and admit that Lewis is adamant she is wrong and has only apologised for his behaviour.

    She may be setting agendas on your head, she may be in her head but when Lewis eviscerates her plans, as he has done with Reeves and Hunt she is going to look pretty stupid.

    I hate spin and lies
    I will out spin and lies

    You certainly do seem to be doing your level best to out spin, and out lie, everyone else.

    Quite impressive.
    Stick this incorrect equine in the mains
  • isam said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
    What seems to be getting to you is Kemi is leading the agenda and blind siding labour

    Maybe its just Kemi is winning arguments and it causes you great distress
    What could possibly rile a Labour diehard about the Tories being led a strong minded black woman who doesn't play along with the victim status expected of being female and not white?

    She’s obviously a white male misogynist pretending to be a black woman

    Which is obviously fine
  • Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
    What seems to be getting to you is Kemi is leading the agenda and blind siding labour

    Maybe its just Kemi is winning arguments and it causes you great distress
    What's upsetting you is that someone is questioning your ramping up and adulation

    Man up and admit that Lewis is adamant she is wrong and has only apologised for his behaviour.

    She may be setting agendas on your head, she may be in her head but when Lewis eviscerates her plans, as he has done with Reeves and Hunt she is going to look pretty stupid.

    I hate spin and lies
    I will out spin and lies

    I have never 'adulated' any politician

    Kemi is asking all the right questions, being the only woman leader of the main parties and who could become the UK's first black PM

    As far as ramping, in my 12 years contributing to this site there has not been anyone near you for ramping !!!!
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,953
    Andy_JS said:

    My current prediction is a Green win at the by-election.

    Andy_JS. Given your excellent record in predicting election outcomes it would be interesting to know how likely you think a victory is for the Greens, Labour and Reform respectively and also the reasoning behind your prediction. The polls presumably?
  • TresTres Posts: 3,500

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Judge Salas was assigned 4 days ago to unravel all of the money laundering in the Epstein case. Hundred of millions worth with banks, suspects, whole black book. Yesterday a gunman shows up at her house, shoots her husband, kills her son, and escapes without going into house.
    https://x.com/TimJDillon/status/128506274635503206

    Um that tweet has disappeared because well the story seems to be from July 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/01/us-judge-esther-salas-threats
    And the motive was apparently personal

    https://x.com/grok/status/2026660276695662751?s=46
    another one of those men's rights oddballs mrglenn?
  • I see we have another Met cock up.

    Met apologises to Commons speaker for sharing tip-off with Mandelson’s lawyers

    Exclusive: Lindsay Hoyle told MPs he had shared information ex-US ambassador planned to flee UK with police ‘in good faith’


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/feb/25/commons-speaker-says-he-passed-information-to-met-that-peter-mandelson-planned-to-flee-uk

    The whole story is absurd. Never mind that Long Haul Lindsay should maybe have thought twice about going to the British Virgin Islands given his nickname rhymes with Air Miles Andy, surely we have an extradition treaty with them. Surely the clue is in the name.

    I'm calling for everyone to resign.
    Just because a country have an extradition treaty with the U.K. doesn’t make going there anymore or less doing a runner.

    I get that some of Mandy’s friends are upset that he is being treated just like everyone else. Rather than arrest-by-appointment when he decides to return from holiday.

    As I recall, in government, Mandy backed the policy of taking passports from fathers who had family court judgements against them, relating to divorce.
    And now Mandelson has been arrested, the government is using this as an excuse for delaying the release of documents. Turned out nice again!
  • TresTres Posts: 3,500

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
    What seems to be getting to you is Kemi is leading the agenda and blind siding labour

    Maybe its just Kemi is winning arguments and it causes you great distress
    What's upsetting you is that someone is questioning your ramping up and adulation

    Man up and admit that Lewis is adamant she is wrong and has only apologised for his behaviour.

    She may be setting agendas on your head, she may be in her head but when Lewis eviscerates her plans, as he has done with Reeves and Hunt she is going to look pretty stupid.

    I hate spin and lies
    I will out spin and lies

    I have never 'adulated' any politician

    Kemi is asking all the right questions, being the only woman leader of the main parties and who could become the UK's first black PM

    As far as ramping, in my 12 years contributing to this site there has not been anyone near you for ramping !!!!
    You approve of her 'pedo defenders' rhetoric do you?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,700

    Chagos deal paused is confirmed

    🫩

    Conveniently parked till May, certainly. But https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5lqd4g338o

    this deal sails through the Commons 19:21 on May 19th 2026.

    And then that’s it, the end of UK ownership. From there on it’s India, US and Mauritius to handle political stunts, International Court “gaming” - and other nonsense from Russia, China, and Nigel Farage 🤣
    anything in Conservative Party manifesto about changing the agreement, scrapping the agreement, will be just just pie in the sky - because Mauritius and India won’t negotiate.

    After a near 65 year entanglement, UK have a way out.

    Chagos Chagos Chagos - The End.
    What is your weird obsession with this?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,822
    My apologies if I've missed it; are there any records of election-winning party compared to which party was the betting favourite?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837

    isam said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
    What seems to be getting to you is Kemi is leading the agenda and blind siding labour

    Maybe its just Kemi is winning arguments and it causes you great distress
    What could possibly rile a Labour diehard about the Tories being led a strong minded black woman who doesn't play along with the victim status expected of being female and not white?

    She’s obviously a white male misogynist pretending to be a black woman

    Which is obviously fine
    I've m issue with her colour or her sex, I've an issue with her arrogance and lies
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,995
    edited February 25
    Tres said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
    What seems to be getting to you is Kemi is leading the agenda and blind siding labour

    Maybe its just Kemi is winning arguments and it causes you great distress
    What's upsetting you is that someone is questioning your ramping up and adulation

    Man up and admit that Lewis is adamant she is wrong and has only apologised for his behaviour.

    She may be setting agendas on your head, she may be in her head but when Lewis eviscerates her plans, as he has done with Reeves and Hunt she is going to look pretty stupid.

    I hate spin and lies
    I will out spin and lies

    I have never 'adulated' any politician

    Kemi is asking all the right questions, being the only woman leader of the main parties and who could become the UK's first black PM

    As far as ramping, in my 12 years contributing to this site there has not been anyone near you for ramping !!!!
    You approve of her 'pedo defenders' rhetoric do you?
    Apparently she was quoting a Times report that female labour mps had told Starmer that the public had said that to them
  • With Chagos paused, it’s become obvious that Sir Keir has done wholesale reset of the government since his change of personnel.

  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,576

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
    What seems to be getting to you is Kemi is leading the agenda and blind siding labour

    Maybe its just Kemi is winning arguments and it causes you great distress
    What's upsetting you is that someone is questioning your ramping up and adulation

    Man up and admit that Lewis is adamant she is wrong and has only apologised for his behaviour.

    She may be setting agendas on your head, she may be in her head but when Lewis eviscerates her plans, as he has done with Reeves and Hunt she is going to look pretty stupid.

    I hate spin and lies
    I will out spin and lies

    I have never 'adulated' any politician

    Kemi is asking all the right questions, being the only woman leader of the main parties and who could become the UK's first black PM

    As far as ramping, in my 12 years contributing to this site there has not been anyone near you for ramping !!!!
    Kemi is indeed doing well.

    I hope she continues to do so. I wasn't hugely enthusiastic when she was elected, but I was clearly wrong. There's a real chance that she could pull the whole shambles of the Tory party back together again, and reinstate the truism of the party of government.

  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,242
    Self righteous prig of the year.......Lindsey Hoyle!
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,028
    rcs1000 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Who had a Ukrainian invasion of Hungary in their crystal ball? Viktor did, that's who!

    Szabolcs Panyi
    @panyiszabolcs
    ·
    3h
    💥BREAKING: Viktor Orbán ordered the military deployed to guard “key energy facilities,” citing a possible Ukrainian “attack” to disrupt Hungary’s energy system. The move fuels fears of a staged national security emergency or false-flag incident ahead of the April 12 elections.🧵

    https://x.com/panyiszabolcs/status/2026645311041466539?s=20

    What advantage would that be to Ukraine? They're a bit busy atm.
    Orban is desperate to be reelected, and he's choosing Ukraine to be the hill to die on. He claims that if he is not reelected, then young Hungarian men will be sent into war in Ukraine.

    He's a total piece is shit.
    Hungary should be ejected from the EU . Sadly that’s not possible with the current structure and with Slovakia also turning into a Putin stooge it’s impossible to suspend their voting rights .

  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,163

    Scott_xP said:

    @kevinhollinrake
    Breaking: Former Leader of Reform UK in Cornwall joins the
    @Conservatives


    “I resigned as Leader of Reform UK because they were not serious about delivering change”.

    A councillor with real world defence industry experience who believes in lower taxes, protecting frontline services, and getting Britain working again. Great to have you on board. 🇬🇧

    Welcome to the Conservative team, Rob

    Trickle to a flood?
    I suspect for all the words it's more about personalities than policies - many defections or changes in allegiance are far more that than decisions of principle.

    Parsonage took Reform to largest party status in May last year but couldn't (for whatever reason) broker a deal to establish an administration so the LDs and Independents took over.

    He was then turned out of the leadership and quit the party so I'm far from convinced this is of any great significance especially given the 20 or more councillors who have moved the other way.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,676
    rcs1000 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Who had a Ukrainian invasion of Hungary in their crystal ball? Viktor did, that's who!

    Szabolcs Panyi
    @panyiszabolcs
    ·
    3h
    💥BREAKING: Viktor Orbán ordered the military deployed to guard “key energy facilities,” citing a possible Ukrainian “attack” to disrupt Hungary’s energy system. The move fuels fears of a staged national security emergency or false-flag incident ahead of the April 12 elections.🧵

    https://x.com/panyiszabolcs/status/2026645311041466539?s=20

    What advantage would that be to Ukraine? They're a bit busy atm.
    Orban is desperate to be reelected, and he's choosing Ukraine to be the hill to die on. He claims that if he is not reelected, then young Hungarian men will be sent into war in Ukraine.

    He's a total piece is shit.
    He’s a total piece of shit who probably has serious problems if he loses the election.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,383
    Roger said:

    Self righteous prig of the year.......Lindsey Hoyle!

    Why?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,576
    rcs1000 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Who had a Ukrainian invasion of Hungary in their crystal ball? Viktor did, that's who!

    Szabolcs Panyi
    @panyiszabolcs
    ·
    3h
    💥BREAKING: Viktor Orbán ordered the military deployed to guard “key energy facilities,” citing a possible Ukrainian “attack” to disrupt Hungary’s energy system. The move fuels fears of a staged national security emergency or false-flag incident ahead of the April 12 elections.🧵

    https://x.com/panyiszabolcs/status/2026645311041466539?s=20

    What advantage would that be to Ukraine? They're a bit busy atm.
    Orban is desperate to be reelected, and he's choosing Ukraine to be the hill to die on. He claims that if he is not reelected, then young Hungarian men will be sent into war in Ukraine.

    He's a total piece is shit.
    I visited Hungary a few months back. I had expected a bit of Orban-ness, but there was none of that. What a great country! And oddly better than their more highly regarded neighbours. Slovakia seemed a poor contrast for example.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837

    isam said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
    What seems to be getting to you is Kemi is leading the agenda and blind siding labour

    Maybe its just Kemi is winning arguments and it causes you great distress
    What could possibly rile a Labour diehard about the Tories being led a strong minded black woman who doesn't play along with the victim status expected of being female and not white?

    She’s obviously a white male misogynist pretending to be a black woman

    Which is obviously fine
    As a member of the anti apartheid movement at 16, cautioned for chasing a white supremacist daily mail political hore around Alexander stadium and running her out of Brum, and a proud and passionate uber woke multi culturalist, you could not be more wrong.

    If you are crap at your job, a bare faced liar, an opportunist, I will call you out. Irrespective of race or gender.
  • Roger said:

    Self righteous prig of the year.......Lindsey Hoyle!

    I simply do not understand why you would attack the Speaker

    The matter was drawn to his attention and he had no choice but to report it to the police in good faith

    The question is why did the police not keep his confidence, ?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,873
    I was on Romney Marshes earlier, bloody Mandelson cornered me and demanded I bring him vittles.
    He looked rough.
  • Brixian59 said:

    isam said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
    What seems to be getting to you is Kemi is leading the agenda and blind siding labour

    Maybe its just Kemi is winning arguments and it causes you great distress
    What could possibly rile a Labour diehard about the Tories being led a strong minded black woman who doesn't play along with the victim status expected of being female and not white?

    She’s obviously a white male misogynist pretending to be a black woman

    Which is obviously fine
    As a member of the anti apartheid movement at 16, cautioned for chasing a white supremacist daily mail political hore around Alexander stadium and running her out of Brum, and a proud and passionate uber woke multi culturalist, you could not be more wrong.

    If you are crap at your job, a bare faced liar, an opportunist, I will call you out. Irrespective of race or gender.
    Maybe start with the labour party as there is plenty of choice
  • With Chagos paused, it’s become obvious that Sir Keir has done wholesale reset of the government since his change of personnel.

    Well they haven't reset the communications:

    The government has said there is "no pause" in its Chagos Islands deal despite a minister earlier telling MPs that the UK was "pausing" the process of passing the legislation to transfer control of the territory to Mauritius.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5lqd4g338o
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,873

    Roger said:

    Self righteous prig of the year.......Lindsey Hoyle!

    I simply do not understand why you would attack the Speaker

    The matter was drawn to his attention and he had no choice but to report it to the police in good faith

    The question is why did the police not keep his confidence, ?
    Roger loves the wrong uns.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,873

    With Chagos paused, it’s become obvious that Sir Keir has done wholesale reset of the government since his change of personnel.

    Well they haven't reset the communications:

    The government has said there is "no pause" in its Chagos Islands deal despite a minister earlier telling MPs that the UK was "pausing" the process of passing the legislation to transfer control of the territory to Mauritius.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5lqd4g338o
    Scroedingers cat's paws
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,163

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
    What seems to be getting to you is Kemi is leading the agenda and blind siding labour

    Maybe its just Kemi is winning arguments and it causes you great distress
    What's upsetting you is that someone is questioning your ramping up and adulation

    Man up and admit that Lewis is adamant she is wrong and has only apologised for his behaviour.

    She may be setting agendas on your head, she may be in her head but when Lewis eviscerates her plans, as he has done with Reeves and Hunt she is going to look pretty stupid.

    I hate spin and lies
    I will out spin and lies

    I have never 'adulated' any politician

    Kemi is asking all the right questions, being the only woman leader of the main parties and who could become the UK's first black PM

    As far as ramping, in my 12 years contributing to this site there has not been anyone near you for ramping !!!!
    I'm not sure the fact Kemi Badenoch is female is or should be of the slightest consequence and neither is her ethnicity of any relevance.

    I'll be honest - she's in a far better place than she was this time last year - her principal adversary is no longer in the party which always helps but we have yet to see this improved performance translate much into electoral success.

    The equivalent YouGov this time last year had the Conservatives on 22% - now they are on 18%. You can tell me how much better she is now and I won't argue but as Hague found out, good Commons performances and winning the political skirmishes are as nothing if you aren't getting the votes in the boxes.

    The other truth is it's a marathon not a sprint - there will be bumps along the way and as the election approaches, we will be entitled to question what the Party is putting in the manifesto which is how it should be.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 837

    With Chagos paused, it’s become obvious that Sir Keir has done wholesale reset of the government since his change of personnel.

    Paused so that someone can ascertain whether the comments from official US Congress and Government policy as positive it goes ahead, or the ramblings of a clearly illogical senile man on his personal social media accounts are the actual pisit4.

    Meanwhile Farage doing stunts in Mauritius and the Member for Tel Aviv racing to Washington to persuade any right wing nutter she can find to stop a deal the Majority of the Hoc wants us bringing politics in to disrepute and bordering on treason
  • Thinking about that Green advert for Gorton, it would make a very good basis for a Reform advert.

    With the slogan:

    Labour have turned Gorton into Lahore
    Greens want to turn Gorton into Gaza
    Reform will turn Gorton back into Britain


  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,383
    "Alexander Larman
    Why are Parisians so awful?
    Failure to live up to Parisian standards is a punishable offence" (£)

    https://spectator.com/article/why-are-parisians-so-awful/
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,242

    Thinking about that Green advert for Gorton, it would make a very good basis for a Reform advert.

    With the slogan:

    Labour have turned Gorton into Lahore
    Greens want to turn Gorton into Gaza
    Reform will turn Gorton back into Britain


    Thinking about that Green advert for Gorton, it would make a very good basis for a Reform advert.

    With the slogan:

    Labour have turned Gorton into Lahore
    Greens want to turn Gorton into Gaza
    Reform will turn Gorton back into Britain


    It tells us a bit about you but i can't see it working as an ad
  • Eabhal said:

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle, like Rebekah Vardy, you’re a grass.

    Snitches gets stitches.

    You're only a grass if you're doing the crime too.

    (The UK is very weird for this. In grown-up countries reporting people who break the law, and therefore averting the need for a police/surveillance state, is a good thing)
    Yep. Like the man said in the C4 drama Dirty Business, this is whistleblowing, not grassing.
  • Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    First, of course.

    Labour and the Lib Dem simpletons need to see the greens for what they are. Not cost fluffy frenemies that are environmentalists but hard left, ruthless, Corbynistas.

    If they don’t they’ll get battered by them.

    Indeed. They are not the Ramsay/Chowns Ecology Party types any more.
    Which does mean they might disintegrate in Waveney and Herefordshire just as they storm the cities
    I bumped into a Corbynista trade unionist the other day who stood as Labour Parliamentary candidate in a staunchly blue shire constituency near me, winning 26% of the vote, up from 17% in the 2015 GE in the same constituency.

    There's quite a substantial far left vote in rural and market town England, and with the swing to Greens, I expect them to hold Waveney and Herefordshire quite comfortably.
    There's certainly people suffering from deprivation and inequality in rural and market town England which could support leftist economic policies.

    How many such potential voters care about Gaza is doubtful.

    Meanwhile many of the affluent nimbys who have voted Green previously in rural areas are unlikely to be impressed with leftist economic policies.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,558
    Nigelb said:

    Judge Salas was assigned 4 days ago to unravel all of the money laundering in the Epstein case. Hundred of millions worth with banks, suspects, whole black book. Yesterday a gunman shows up at her house, shoots her husband, kills her son, and escapes without going into house.
    https://x.com/TimJDillon/status/128506274635503206

    That's a really bad development.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,709
    Tres said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    She's not bright enough to understand that.

    Thats why Martin Lewis ambushed her.

    Kemis never wrong in Kemis head.
    Read and learn

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/martin-lewis-apologises-to-kemi-badenoch-for-gate-crashing-gmb-interview
    Once again you completely twist the fact

    Fact is Lewis apologised for the ambush and his conduct

    Fact he categorically did not had not changed his mind that she was spouting bollox and that was why he intervened

    You are being utterly disingenuous to suggest otherwise and I know and you know you are deliberately doing that.

    He apologised for behavior
    He knows she's talking out of her backside
    Read it again

    He said he welcomed the dialogue and they agreed to meetings over it

    I've read it

    He is going to talk to her.

    He has regularly done with others.

    NOWHERE absolutely NOWHERE does he imply or suggest that he has changed his mind for the reason for his angry intervention to tell he she is PLAIN WRONG

    Yes sometimes you have to shout as you are claiming something that you know is categorically untrue.

    Lewis is angry that she is trying to mislead on a Tory error and mislead on the outcome of her proposals.

    Why do you think he stormed on in a rage.
    What seems to be getting to you is Kemi is leading the agenda and blind siding labour

    Maybe its just Kemi is winning arguments and it causes you great distress
    What's upsetting you is that someone is questioning your ramping up and adulation

    Man up and admit that Lewis is adamant she is wrong and has only apologised for his behaviour.

    She may be setting agendas on your head, she may be in her head but when Lewis eviscerates her plans, as he has done with Reeves and Hunt she is going to look pretty stupid.

    I hate spin and lies
    I will out spin and lies

    I have never 'adulated' any politician

    Kemi is asking all the right questions, being the only woman leader of the main parties and who could become the UK's first black PM

    As far as ramping, in my 12 years contributing to this site there has not been anyone near you for ramping !!!!
    You approve of her 'pedo defenders' rhetoric do you?
    It was a (Slight mis-)quote from a Labour MP

    "In a private meeting, Emma Lewell, MP for South Shields, told Starmer about her anger, having spent years working in child protection services.

    She said: “I can’t even begin to explain how much it hurts when people are screaming at me in the street that I am a member of the ‘paedo protectors’ party’,” according to sources who attended the meeting."

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-paedo-protectors-female-cabinet-ministers-action-4231691?srsltid=AfmBOopg4QxZD9jBc7GyXbFLIlbC57TrMs4Geifr9SydNKTFqaZlQeAH
  • eekeek Posts: 32,676

    Nigelb said:

    Judge Salas was assigned 4 days ago to unravel all of the money laundering in the Epstein case. Hundred of millions worth with banks, suspects, whole black book. Yesterday a gunman shows up at her house, shoots her husband, kills her son, and escapes without going into house.
    https://x.com/TimJDillon/status/128506274635503206

    That's a really bad development.
    It’s also wrong as I pointed out earlier - the shooting was on July 19th 2020 by an attorney who was upset at the verdict of a previous case
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,285

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    First, of course.

    Labour and the Lib Dem simpletons need to see the greens for what they are. Not cost fluffy frenemies that are environmentalists but hard left, ruthless, Corbynistas.

    If they don’t they’ll get battered by them.

    Indeed. They are not the Ramsay/Chowns Ecology Party types any more.
    Which does mean they might disintegrate in Waveney and Herefordshire just as they storm the cities
    I bumped into a Corbynista trade unionist the other day who stood as Labour Parliamentary candidate in a staunchly blue shire constituency near me, winning 26% of the vote, up from 17% in the 2015 GE in the same constituency.

    There's quite a substantial far left vote in rural and market town England, and with the swing to Greens, I expect them to hold Waveney and Herefordshire quite comfortably.
    There's certainly people suffering from deprivation and inequality in rural and market town England which could support leftist economic policies.

    How many such potential voters care about Gaza is doubtful.

    Meanwhile many of the affluent nimbys who have voted Green previously in rural areas are unlikely to be impressed with leftist economic policies.
    Well, lets see. There are elections coming up all over England.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,580
    Pulpstar said:

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Jobber O'Brien is super cross With Kemi and the pedo protectors comment
    I dont think you will find the electorate are

    Even desperate Dan Hodges who has been damp with excitement with her recently was very terse today about her abject performance
    No he wasnt
    Read his twitter feed said she lost focus and poor
    Not it does not.
    Not a particular good session for Kemi Badenoch there. Had a couple of decent moments, but was too unfocussed. Roaming from tuition fees to pedophiles to leadership digs. She's much better when she pins Keir Starmer down on one issue.

    That is in no way 'very terse about her abject performance"

    The chutzpah of going after Labour on plan 2 tuition fees when the Cons and LDs created the plan 2 deal and froze the threshold 10 years out of 14 is off the scale.

    When it comes to this, fiddling with interest rates and thresholds seems insane, why not just "forgive" part of the debt? Start with the fees for graduates final year. Seems fairer than anything else.

    It's an extraordinarily weird debt, first up the nominal value goes up at RPI +3, so it's increasing in real terms each year - essentially it is designed to be a tax rather than a debt but if you're rich enough you can just pay it off ! So it's a tax for most people, unless you're rich in which case it's a debt or you're poor in which case it isn't relevant or for most people effectively a tax but with a whacking great psychological nominal figure next to it that'll be written off after 30 years or so.

    A real Frankenstein's monster of a system tbh.

    I don't know what an average £ of the debt would sell for in the open market tbh since when it gets to it's highest point it suddenly hits zero.
    It was a fudge to give the LDs the graduate tax that they wanted, whilst still theoretically keeping it as a debt like Osborne did.

    It's obscene and not fair.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,700
    Have I mentioned that universities are doomed? Because they are

    And the implosion is coming faster than almost anyone realises


    “I would have been better off working in a restaurant than getting my 2:1 degree”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/graduate-jobs-market-young-people-out-of-work-b2923769.html
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