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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,920

    nico67 said:

    Mandelson is in deep shxt .

    Though Reform reporting him to the Met Police is rather taking the piss given they’re a bunch of grifting Putin apologist traitors .

    I think that this could involve far more politicians than Mandelson, especially if he kept a secret diary and seeks revenge

    Goodness only knows what is coming next, especially for labour politicians
    You have absolutely no evidence for that. Can the Party sue?
    Is it possible to defame a political party?

    Genuine question. Opponents are not supposed to outright lie about a party, though they obviously do sometimes, and individual people in a party can obviously be defamed, but I'm curious if there are some difficulties for a party trying to sue.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,523
    Just noticed that Michael Forsyth has become Lord Speaker. Succeeds fellow Scot, Lord McFall. His predecessor was Norman Fowler.

    I have to say that the Lords are a bit more select about their speakers than the Commons. Sir Lindsay's a lot better than his two predecessors but that really is not saying very much at all. Bercow and Michael Martin were terrible in their different ways.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,241
    Met Police to review reports of alleged conduct
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,742
    nico67 said:

    I see Resident Doctors have decided they want to become even more unpopular and have voted to strike again .

    It’s Danegeld for the 21st century. Once you pay, they keep coming back for more.
    Friends son is a JD of about 5 years post graduation. Has had some tough times, and lots of friends left the NHS. There are issues asking the service to do ever more without sorting the structural challenges. But paying more on its own isn’t the answer. Medics are not the only ones to have had pay deflation over the last fifteen years.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,974
    Roger said:

    I'd like to see Emily Thornberry for PM. I'm sick of Labour's dishonesty and siding with bastards. For the first time I'd like to see Starmer go. Not just this but his judgement is really suspect. Give someone else the next 3 years

    Too old now. ET is 65 already.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,259

    Met Police to review reports of alleged conduct

    That's solved Starmer's PMQs problem.

    "It would be wrong for me to comment on an on-going investigation."
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,241

    nico67 said:

    Mandelson is in deep shxt .

    Though Reform reporting him to the Met Police is rather taking the piss given they’re a bunch of grifting Putin apologist traitors .

    I think that this could involve far more politicians than Mandelson, especially if he kept a secret diary and seeks revenge

    Goodness only knows what is coming next, especially for labour politicians
    You have absolutely no evidence for that. Can the Party sue?
    Do you know what comes next though I have no doubt at all that Gordon Brown must be horrified about this crisis
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,259

    nico67 said:

    Mandelson is in deep shxt .

    Though Reform reporting him to the Met Police is rather taking the piss given they’re a bunch of grifting Putin apologist traitors .

    I think that this could involve far more politicians than Mandelson, especially if he kept a secret diary and seeks revenge

    Goodness only knows what is coming next, especially for labour politicians
    You have absolutely no evidence for that. Can the Party sue?
    Do you know what comes next though I have no doubt at all that Gordon Brown must be horrified about this crisis
    "This crisis...that started in America."
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,497
    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2018391148482412776

    The Green Party have shared doorstep data with me from across Gorton and Denton.

    They say it shows:

    Reform - 39%

    Greens - 34%

    Labour - 21%

    Their data shows Reform 5 points ahead and Labour in a poor third place.

    Internal party data is no more reliable than any other data, even though it gets treated as the secret truth sometimes for some reason.

    But I could believe that, albeit on the lower end of expectations for Labour, as I don't think they are completely out yet.
    I think doorstep data tends to produce optimistic numbers for the party asking, so the truth might be the Greens and Labour are closer than that. But the Greens have time (presuming they have the manpower) to squeeze that Labour vote.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,344
    Not sure if this has been mentioned as I’ve just jumped on, but did I hear Darren Jones earlier blame the Tories for the vetting system that allowed Starmer to personally pick Sweetpea as his US Ambassador?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,997
    ...

    Andrew Neil
    @afneil

    Labour emphasising how much it wants to strip Mandleson of his peerage. Who cares? He’ll never be near the House of Lords again.
    Far more important is the mounting evidence that as a cabinet minister he passed market sensitive information to Epstein of huge value to the pedophile’s rich American friends (Steven Swinford of The Times has uncovered one damning example — there are many more — see Dan Neidle’s excellent work).
    Is this not misconduct in a public office? Surely Knacker of the Yard should be investigating.

    What does Labour have to say about that?

    I don't believe there is anyone Labour adjacent defending Mandelson. It would seem to me to be his most direct and personal deceit was to his cabinet colleagues.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,232
    nico67 said:

    I see Resident Doctors have decided they want to become even more unpopular and have voted to strike again .

    They almost didn't meet the turnout threshold this time so they might not get any more chances. I wonder if the unions will put pressure on Labour to get rid of the minimum turnout threshold for strikes in the coming year.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,266

    If I was Mandy I'd be claiming political asylum in the US already...

    I would also be very careful not to commit suicide accidentally.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,497
    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    Mandelson is in deep shxt .

    Though Reform reporting him to the Met Police is rather taking the piss given they’re a bunch of grifting Putin apologist traitors .

    I think that this could involve far more politicians than Mandelson, especially if he kept a secret diary and seeks revenge

    Goodness only knows what is coming next, especially for labour politicians
    You have absolutely no evidence for that. Can the Party sue?
    Is it possible to defame a political party?

    Genuine question. Opponents are not supposed to outright lie about a party, though they obviously do sometimes, and individual people in a party can obviously be defamed, but I'm curious if there are some difficulties for a party trying to sue.
    No, you cannot defame a party, I believe.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,344
    edited 7:36PM

    Not sure if this has been mentioned as I’ve just jumped on, but did I hear Darren Jones earlier blame the Tories for the vetting system that allowed Starmer to personally pick Sweetpea as his US Ambassador?

    Imagine if EVERY question made Wednesday SweetPeaMQs..

    Apart from the Lab on Reform plant questions that will obviously still dominate
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,997

    Labour's Dan Norris MP in trouble again!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20d7y2rqw6o

    Labour, tut. He's one of those very naughty Independents. They were causing trouble in the last Parliament too.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,920
    MaxPB said:

    nico67 said:

    I see Resident Doctors have decided they want to become even more unpopular and have voted to strike again .

    They almost didn't meet the turnout threshold this time so they might not get any more chances. I wonder if the unions will put pressure on Labour to get rid of the minimum turnout threshold for strikes in the coming year.
    I thought that was already planned and part of a bill to be voted on soon?

    I have to admit I think turnout threshold is a perfectly reasonable requirement.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,347

    OT some happier news. Earlier today, Aamilah Aswat became the first Black woman jockey to ride a jumps winner.

    In other happier news, humanity is close to eradicating the Guinea worm.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,920
    Foss said:

    OT some happier news. Earlier today, Aamilah Aswat became the first Black woman jockey to ride a jumps winner.

    In other happier news, humanity is close to eradicating the Guinea worm.
    Let's hope we don't unlearn the lesson that guinea worms are bad like the rising 'vaccines are bad' sentiment.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,456

    nico67 said:

    I see Resident Doctors have decided they want to become even more unpopular and have voted to strike again .

    It’s Danegeld for the 21st century. Once you pay, they keep coming back for more.
    Friends son is a JD of about 5 years post graduation. Has had some tough times, and lots of friends left the NHS. There are issues asking the service to do ever more without sorting the structural challenges. But paying more on its own isn’t the answer. Medics are not the only ones to have had pay deflation over the last fifteen years.
    Looks at my current day rate which is less than I was on in numeric figures than 15 years ago...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,578

    Labour's Dan Norris MP in trouble again!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20d7y2rqw6o

    Labour, tut. He's one of those very naughty Independents. They were causing trouble in the last Parliament too.
    An independent MP has been arrested for a second time on suspicion of a string of sexual offences.

    Former Labour MP Dan Norris, 66, remains under investigation over the alleged rape of a woman and has been further arrested on suspicion of raping a second woman, sexually assaulting a third woman, voyeurism, and upskirting women.

    The former West of England Mayor was first arrested in April 2025 on suspicion of sexual offences against a girl, child abduction, and the rape of a woman. Police are no longer investigating the alleged child sexual offences or abduction.

    Norris said in a statement that he "vigorously and entirely" denied all of the allegations made against him.

    Norris, who is also being investigated over alleged misconduct in a public office, remains on condition bail.

    All the offences are alleged to have occurred between the 2000s and 2020s.

    In a statement, Norris said: "I vigorously and entirely deny the serious allegations made against me. They are untrue.

    "I am challenging them through my legal representatives."
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,430
    As well as Donald Trump, and Elon Musk, I’m coming to the view that Bill Gates should also be behind bars.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,434
    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2018391148482412776

    The Green Party have shared doorstep data with me from across Gorton and Denton.

    They say it shows:

    Reform - 39%

    Greens - 34%

    Labour - 21%

    Their data shows Reform 5 points ahead and Labour in a poor third place.

    That's amazing. Those numbers are exactly what the Greens would want the electorate of the constituency to think the state of the race is. And it turns out they are the actual real numbers! They must be delighted.
    In the words of Private Eye, a happy coincidence.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,241
    BBC questions Starmers judgment

    BBC News - Mandelson revelations raise further questions about Starmer's judgement
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9yekr4d9ro
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,434

    nico67 said:

    I see Resident Doctors have decided they want to become even more unpopular and have voted to strike again .

    It’s Danegeld for the 21st century. Once you pay, they keep coming back for more.
    Friends son is a JD of about 5 years post graduation. Has had some tough times, and lots of friends left the NHS. There are issues asking the service to do ever more without sorting the structural challenges. But paying more on its own isn’t the answer. Medics are not the only ones to have had pay deflation over the last fifteen years.
    The Brummie bin men are still on strike too.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,578
    Taz said:

    Nothing tops this


    :lol:


  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,997
    Sean_F said:

    As well as Donald Trump, and Elon Musk, I’m coming to the view that Bill Gates should also be behind bars.

    William mentioned a character earlier who really is the worst of the worst. The allegations are absolutely horrendous.

    I used to be a bit of the fan, particularly in light of his most recent successor, but now I know better.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,463
    Leon said:

    Mandelson is a notably clever, gifted man. Able and cunning. Quite capable of making oodles of cash by himself

    So, what was it, in his upbringing, that made him so desperately needy and puppyish in the company of super rich people. It’s truly odd

    I know one or two billionaires. I feel no need to fawn

    Blair had some of the same neediness, as well. Tho not as bad as Lord Petey

    Haves and have-yachts.

    You get more elite, you move into more elite circles, you still don't feel elite. There's no such thing as "enough".

    It requires a certain kind of bloddy-mindedness to break that cycle. If you told me that you had a version of that bloddy-mindedness, I wouldn't disagree. But whilst that cycle is bad for personal happiness, and has horrible, Epstein-scandal-sized, downsides for society, the progress of civilization also depends on it.

    But all is vanity, as the Preacher said.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,434

    OT some happier news. Earlier today, Aamilah Aswat became the first Black woman jockey to ride a jumps winner.

    The greatest sporting Jocky was, of course, Wilson.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,994

    Not sure if this has been mentioned as I’ve just jumped on, but did I hear Darren Jones earlier blame the Tories for the vetting system that allowed Starmer to personally pick Sweetpea as his US Ambassador?

    Imagine if EVERY question made Wednesday SweetPeaMQs..

    Apart from the Lab on Reform plant questions that will obviously still dominate
    They're probably trawling through the Epstein dump for any mention of Farage.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,434

    In less disgraceful governance matters.. I’ve just booked my holiday!

    Train to Paris on 17 April, whence I’ll get another train to Vannes. Hotel for a night in Vannes, then a return flight from Bordeaux (can’t get a sensible flight back from Biarritz) on 11 May

    That should give me plenty of time to walk the circa 400 miles from Vannes to Biarritz. Everything else will be booked on the day

    I love an adventure!

    Given your job entails loads of walking is it not a bit of a busman’s holiday 🤔
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,259
    Taz said:

    Nothing tops this


    One Nation, the Lib Dems and Donald Trump all have two things in common.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,344
    Taz said:

    In less disgraceful governance matters.. I’ve just booked my holiday!

    Train to Paris on 17 April, whence I’ll get another train to Vannes. Hotel for a night in Vannes, then a return flight from Bordeaux (can’t get a sensible flight back from Biarritz) on 11 May

    That should give me plenty of time to walk the circa 400 miles from Vannes to Biarritz. Everything else will be booked on the day

    I love an adventure!

    Given your job entails loads of walking is it not a bit of a busman’s holiday 🤔
    As I always tell people, I do the job so that I can train for my holidays!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,994
    Sean_F said:

    As well as Donald Trump, and Elon Musk, I’m coming to the view that Bill Gates should also be behind bars.

    If the Democrats win in 2028, Jack Smith is certainly going to be very busy.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,894

    https://x.com/alexrogerssky/status/2018395506360168448

    Labour MP: “Consistent failures by Morgan McSweeney have damaged our media operation and left the public unaware of much of what we’ve achieved in government.

    “The Mandelson saga has only made things worse, and if Keir doesn’t make changes soon, the PLP will.

    “We’ve had enough.”

    Not applying enough polish to the turd.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,434

    Taz said:

    Nothing tops this


    One Nation, the Lib Dems and Donald Trump all have two things in common.
    I’m loving the fact the dodgy one is in the Lib Dem colours too.

    Like it’s a tribute.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,232
    Nigelb said:

    Sean_F said:

    As well as Donald Trump, and Elon Musk, I’m coming to the view that Bill Gates should also be behind bars.

    If the Democrats win in 2028, Jack Smith is certainly going to be very busy.
    If you think the Dems are going to prosecute anyone from this then you are very naïve indeed. They sat on these files for four years too.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,456

    https://x.com/alexrogerssky/status/2018395506360168448

    Labour MP: “Consistent failures by Morgan McSweeney have damaged our media operation and left the public unaware of much of what we’ve achieved in government.

    “The Mandelson saga has only made things worse, and if Keir doesn’t make changes soon, the PLP will.

    “We’ve had enough.”

    Not applying enough polish to the turd.
    It's possible that Labour are successfully delivering things - now I don't believe they are but if the excuse you are hearing is poor media communications you may want to give them a chance to fix that before sacking the manager.

    Personally Starmer and Reeves arrived without a plan and that's utterly unacceptable...
  • eekeek Posts: 32,456
    Taz said:

    In less disgraceful governance matters.. I’ve just booked my holiday!

    Train to Paris on 17 April, whence I’ll get another train to Vannes. Hotel for a night in Vannes, then a return flight from Bordeaux (can’t get a sensible flight back from Biarritz) on 11 May

    That should give me plenty of time to walk the circa 400 miles from Vannes to Biarritz. Everything else will be booked on the day

    I love an adventure!

    Given your job entails loads of walking is it not a bit of a busman’s holiday 🤔
    His job requires a lot of short pauses and bending down putting things through letter boxes... I can see the advantage of a 10-15 mile walk to the next stop when the only interruption is when you want to take a break.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,994
    Trump comes out in favour of nationalisation..


    "Nationalise the voting."

    https://x.com/factpostnews/status/2018379209027031367
    Trump calls in to the Dan Bongino Show:

    "The Republicans should say, 'We want to take over. We should take over the voting.'"

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,430
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sean_F said:

    As well as Donald Trump, and Elon Musk, I’m coming to the view that Bill Gates should also be behind bars.

    If the Democrats win in 2028, Jack Smith is certainly going to be very busy.
    If you think the Dems are going to prosecute anyone from this then you are very naïve indeed. They sat on these files for four years too.
    Depravity transcends right and left.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,497
    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    nico67 said:

    I see Resident Doctors have decided they want to become even more unpopular and have voted to strike again .

    They almost didn't meet the turnout threshold this time so they might not get any more chances. I wonder if the unions will put pressure on Labour to get rid of the minimum turnout threshold for strikes in the coming year.
    I thought that was already planned and part of a bill to be voted on soon?

    I have to admit I think turnout threshold is a perfectly reasonable requirement.
    Would you apply it to local elections? We’d save on councillor expenses as we’d have a lot fewer councillors. Not a single Police and Crime Commissioner would’ve been elected in 2024. Sarah Pochin wouldn’t be an MP.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,434
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    In less disgraceful governance matters.. I’ve just booked my holiday!

    Train to Paris on 17 April, whence I’ll get another train to Vannes. Hotel for a night in Vannes, then a return flight from Bordeaux (can’t get a sensible flight back from Biarritz) on 11 May

    That should give me plenty of time to walk the circa 400 miles from Vannes to Biarritz. Everything else will be booked on the day

    I love an adventure!

    Given your job entails loads of walking is it not a bit of a busman’s holiday 🤔
    His job requires a lot of short pauses and bending down putting things through letter boxes... I can see the advantage of a 10-15 mile walk to the next stop when the only interruption is when you want to take a break.
    Yes, it was meant as a mildly comic comment not a literal one.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,994
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sean_F said:

    As well as Donald Trump, and Elon Musk, I’m coming to the view that Bill Gates should also be behind bars.

    If the Democrats win in 2028, Jack Smith is certainly going to be very busy.
    If you think the Dems are going to prosecute anyone from this then you are very naïve indeed. They sat on these files for four years too.
    Merrick Garland was indeed useless on this - but the matter was still sub judice with the Maxwell appeal, so it's not entirely clear cut.

    There is no way a future administration that's democratically elected ignores this.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,894
    eek said:

    https://x.com/alexrogerssky/status/2018395506360168448

    Labour MP: “Consistent failures by Morgan McSweeney have damaged our media operation and left the public unaware of much of what we’ve achieved in government.

    “The Mandelson saga has only made things worse, and if Keir doesn’t make changes soon, the PLP will.

    “We’ve had enough.”

    Not applying enough polish to the turd.
    It's possible that Labour are successfully delivering things - now I don't believe they are but if the excuse you are hearing is poor media communications you may want to give them a chance to fix that before sacking the manager.

    Personally Starmer and Reeves arrived without a plan and that's utterly unacceptable...
    Attacking McSweeney is just a way of attacking Starmer whilst endeavouring to appear loyal. These Labour MPs should grow some balls.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,997
    eek said:

    https://x.com/alexrogerssky/status/2018395506360168448

    Labour MP: “Consistent failures by Morgan McSweeney have damaged our media operation and left the public unaware of much of what we’ve achieved in government.

    “The Mandelson saga has only made things worse, and if Keir doesn’t make changes soon, the PLP will.

    “We’ve had enough.”

    Not applying enough polish to the turd.
    It's possible that Labour are successfully delivering things - now I don't believe they are but if the excuse you are hearing is poor media communications you may want to give them a chance to fix that before sacking the manager.

    Personally Starmer and Reeves arrived without a plan and that's utterly unacceptable...
    Angie, Angie
    When will those clouds all disappear?
    Angie, Angie
    Where will it lead us from here?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,203

    Met Police to review reports of alleged conduct

    That’s just a journalist keeping the story going. If you report anything to the police, they are obliged to review it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,920

    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    nico67 said:

    I see Resident Doctors have decided they want to become even more unpopular and have voted to strike again .

    They almost didn't meet the turnout threshold this time so they might not get any more chances. I wonder if the unions will put pressure on Labour to get rid of the minimum turnout threshold for strikes in the coming year.
    I thought that was already planned and part of a bill to be voted on soon?

    I have to admit I think turnout threshold is a perfectly reasonable requirement.
    Would you apply it to local elections? We’d save on councillor expenses as we’d have a lot fewer councillors. Not a single Police and Crime Commissioner would’ve been elected in 2024. Sarah Pochin wouldn’t be an MP.
    First, I wouldn't have PCCs, and no i wouldn't, I don't see how seeking support for a specific industrial action and public apathy about who will be a political representative are really comparable.

    I'd have a more proportional voting system.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,430
    I could easily believe that Trump brought his daughter to a sex party. He’s like a character from a novel by de Sade.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,203

    In less disgraceful governance matters.. I’ve just booked my holiday!

    Train to Paris on 17 April, whence I’ll get another train to Vannes. Hotel for a night in Vannes, then a return flight from Bordeaux (can’t get a sensible flight back from Biarritz) on 11 May

    That should give me plenty of time to walk the circa 400 miles from Vannes to Biarritz. Everything else will be booked on the day

    I love an adventure!

    Holiday adventures have been central to our family for decades

    Talking of which we have decided to have a two day rail trip

    We are going from Colwyn Bay to Edinburgh next month and staying in the Premier Inn on Princess Street opposite the gardens where we got engaged 63 years ago then the next day, Edinburgh to Kings Cross via LNER and then home from Euston in the afternoon via WCML

    We love train travel and look forward to watching the countryside slide by, especially as it doesn't affect my mobility

    Fun fact Edinburgh to Kings Cross and back to Colwyn Bay takes 7.5 hours whereas Colwyn Bay to Cardiff and back is over 8 hours
    That’s the sort of thing you end up with if you insist on using Sunil as your travel agent.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,997
    Sean_F said:

    I could easily believe that Trump brought his daughter to a sex party. He’s like a character from a novel by de Sade.

    More like a character from Shameless.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,203
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    nico67 said:

    I see Resident Doctors have decided they want to become even more unpopular and have voted to strike again .

    They almost didn't meet the turnout threshold this time so they might not get any more chances. I wonder if the unions will put pressure on Labour to get rid of the minimum turnout threshold for strikes in the coming year.
    I thought that was already planned and part of a bill to be voted on soon?

    I have to admit I think turnout threshold is a perfectly reasonable requirement.
    Would you apply it to local elections? We’d save on councillor expenses as we’d have a lot fewer councillors. Not a single Police and Crime Commissioner would’ve been elected in 2024. Sarah Pochin wouldn’t be an MP.
    First, I wouldn't have PCCs, and no i wouldn't, I don't see how seeking support for a specific industrial action and public apathy about who will be a political representative are really comparable.

    I'd have a more proportional voting system.
    One where the proportion of crooks in parliament was brought down to being proportional to the number of crooks in the wider population would be a start?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,974

    eek said:

    https://x.com/alexrogerssky/status/2018395506360168448

    Labour MP: “Consistent failures by Morgan McSweeney have damaged our media operation and left the public unaware of much of what we’ve achieved in government.

    “The Mandelson saga has only made things worse, and if Keir doesn’t make changes soon, the PLP will.

    “We’ve had enough.”

    Not applying enough polish to the turd.
    It's possible that Labour are successfully delivering things - now I don't believe they are but if the excuse you are hearing is poor media communications you may want to give them a chance to fix that before sacking the manager.

    Personally Starmer and Reeves arrived without a plan and that's utterly unacceptable...
    Attacking McSweeney is just a way of attacking Starmer whilst endeavouring to appear loyal. These Labour MPs should grow some balls.
    Maybe, or it is a way of resolving cognitive dissonance and staying loyal to the dear leader, like all those old Soviets convinced that Uncle Joe would see them right if only he knew how bad things were.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,894
    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    Mandelson is in deep shxt .

    Though Reform reporting him to the Met Police is rather taking the piss given they’re a bunch of grifting Putin apologist traitors .

    I think that this could involve far more politicians than Mandelson, especially if he kept a secret diary and seeks revenge

    Goodness only knows what is coming next, especially for labour politicians
    You have absolutely no evidence for that. Can the Party sue?
    Is it possible to defame a political party?

    Genuine question. Opponents are not supposed to outright lie about a party, though they obviously do sometimes, and individual people in a party can obviously be defamed, but I'm curious if there are some difficulties for a party trying to sue.
    Also relevant; one cannot libel the dead.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,920

    eek said:

    https://x.com/alexrogerssky/status/2018395506360168448

    Labour MP: “Consistent failures by Morgan McSweeney have damaged our media operation and left the public unaware of much of what we’ve achieved in government.

    “The Mandelson saga has only made things worse, and if Keir doesn’t make changes soon, the PLP will.

    “We’ve had enough.”

    Not applying enough polish to the turd.
    It's possible that Labour are successfully delivering things - now I don't believe they are but if the excuse you are hearing is poor media communications you may want to give them a chance to fix that before sacking the manager.

    Personally Starmer and Reeves arrived without a plan and that's utterly unacceptable...
    Attacking McSweeney is just a way of attacking Starmer whilst endeavouring to appear loyal. These Labour MPs should grow some balls.
    Maybe, or it is a way of resolving cognitive dissonance and staying loyal to the dear leader, like all those old Soviets convinced that Uncle Joe would see them right if only he knew how bad things were.
    Same thing, just one is more self aware.
    IanB2 said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    nico67 said:

    I see Resident Doctors have decided they want to become even more unpopular and have voted to strike again .

    They almost didn't meet the turnout threshold this time so they might not get any more chances. I wonder if the unions will put pressure on Labour to get rid of the minimum turnout threshold for strikes in the coming year.
    I thought that was already planned and part of a bill to be voted on soon?

    I have to admit I think turnout threshold is a perfectly reasonable requirement.
    Would you apply it to local elections? We’d save on councillor expenses as we’d have a lot fewer councillors. Not a single Police and Crime Commissioner would’ve been elected in 2024. Sarah Pochin wouldn’t be an MP.
    First, I wouldn't have PCCs, and no i wouldn't, I don't see how seeking support for a specific industrial action and public apathy about who will be a political representative are really comparable.

    I'd have a more proportional voting system.
    One where the proportion of crooks in parliament was brought down to being proportional to the number of crooks in the wider population would be a start?
    It probably is, which may speak poorly of we the general public.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,158
    @PolitlcsUK
    IN FULL: The cities currently bidding to be the UK's 2029 City of Culture

    - Blackpool
    - Bristol
    - Exeter
    - Ipswich
    - Peterborough
    - Plymouth
    - Portsmouth
    - Swindon
    - Wrexham
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,920
    Scott_xP said:

    @PolitlcsUK
    IN FULL: The cities currently bidding to be the UK's 2029 City of Culture

    - Blackpool
    - Bristol
    - Exeter
    - Ipswich
    - Peterborough
    - Plymouth
    - Portsmouth
    - Swindon
    - Wrexham

    I see the city of culture it is open to big towns then.

    In fairness city status is now arbitrary, so that's fair enough.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,974
    kle4 said:

    Foss said:

    OT some happier news. Earlier today, Aamilah Aswat became the first Black woman jockey to ride a jumps winner.

    In other happier news, humanity is close to eradicating the Guinea worm.
    Let's hope we don't unlearn the lesson that guinea worms are bad like the rising 'vaccines are bad' sentiment.
    Guinea worm eradication led by radical left Democrat Jimmy Carter? Fake news.
    https://www.cartercenter.org/news/guinea-worm-announcement/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,430

    eek said:

    https://x.com/alexrogerssky/status/2018395506360168448

    Labour MP: “Consistent failures by Morgan McSweeney have damaged our media operation and left the public unaware of much of what we’ve achieved in government.

    “The Mandelson saga has only made things worse, and if Keir doesn’t make changes soon, the PLP will.

    “We’ve had enough.”

    Not applying enough polish to the turd.
    It's possible that Labour are successfully delivering things - now I don't believe they are but if the excuse you are hearing is poor media communications you may want to give them a chance to fix that before sacking the manager.

    Personally Starmer and Reeves arrived without a plan and that's utterly unacceptable...
    Attacking McSweeney is just a way of attacking Starmer whilst endeavouring to appear loyal. These Labour MPs should grow some balls.
    Maybe, or it is a way of resolving cognitive dissonance and staying loyal to the dear leader, like all those old Soviets convinced that Uncle Joe would see them right if only he knew how bad things were.
    Which is, in turn, an ancient way of expressing dissatisfaction with the way the country is run without attacking The King.

    “If only the Noble King knew what the Evil Vizier did in his name!”

    The smarter kings would reduce headcount among their senior ministers when such complaints got too much. See Henry VIII and Cromwell.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,920

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    Mandelson is in deep shxt .

    Though Reform reporting him to the Met Police is rather taking the piss given they’re a bunch of grifting Putin apologist traitors .

    I think that this could involve far more politicians than Mandelson, especially if he kept a secret diary and seeks revenge

    Goodness only knows what is coming next, especially for labour politicians
    You have absolutely no evidence for that. Can the Party sue?
    Is it possible to defame a political party?

    Genuine question. Opponents are not supposed to outright lie about a party, though they obviously do sometimes, and individual people in a party can obviously be defamed, but I'm curious if there are some difficulties for a party trying to sue.
    Also relevant; one cannot libel the dead.
    Tell that to Kim il Sung.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,158
    @danneidle.bsky.social‬

    There's more.

    On 31 March 2010, Lord Mandelson's principal private secretary sent him a note of a meeting between the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Larry Summers, US Treasury Secretary.

    Lord Mandelson forwarded it to Jeffrey Epstein five minutes later.

    https://bsky.app/profile/danneidle.bsky.social/post/3mdvot3ezsl24
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,019
    Interesting program following Steve Rosenberg doing his job as BBC Moscow correspondent. He's one of the best the BBC has and obviously has to walk a tightrope a lot of the time. But he's always clear and always appears decent. I don't know about making himself the story though. It seems a little narcissistic for someone with his quality
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,760
    I noticed that Mandelson was still being invited to comment on Greenland etc on TV just a few weeks ago.

    Hopefully after this final nail in his political coffin the only interviews he'll be doing are under caution.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,920
    Ratters said:

    I noticed that Mandelson was still being invited to comment on Greenland etc on TV just a few weeks ago.

    Hopefully after this final nail in his political coffin the only interviews he'll be doing are under caution.

    I'm amazed he did not have his own super popular political podcast.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,652
    Scott_xP said:

    @danneidle.bsky.social‬

    There's more.

    On 31 March 2010, Lord Mandelson's principal private secretary sent him a note of a meeting between the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Larry Summers, US Treasury Secretary.

    Lord Mandelson forwarded it to Jeffrey Epstein five minutes later.

    https://bsky.app/profile/danneidle.bsky.social/post/3mdvot3ezsl24

    Yeah he's ****ed
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,344
    Scott_xP said:

    @PolitlcsUK
    IN FULL: The cities currently bidding to be the UK's 2029 City of Culture

    - Blackpool
    - Bristol
    - Exeter
    - Ipswich
    - Peterborough
    - Plymouth
    - Portsmouth
    - Swindon
    - Wrexham

    If Swindon Town wins.. The place is utterly devoid of culture. Imagine winning a trip to the UK City of Culture and ending up in Swindon Town centre. There's a railway museum and an edge of town shit shopping village. The centre of town is mostly closed down

    You could visit the Oasis centre in West Swindon, which apparently gave Oasis their name. It's shit
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,894
    kle4 said:

    Ratters said:

    I noticed that Mandelson was still being invited to comment on Greenland etc on TV just a few weeks ago.

    Hopefully after this final nail in his political coffin the only interviews he'll be doing are under caution.

    I'm amazed he did not have his own super popular political podcast.
    The vest is politics?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,920
    CatMan said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @danneidle.bsky.social‬

    There's more.

    On 31 March 2010, Lord Mandelson's principal private secretary sent him a note of a meeting between the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Larry Summers, US Treasury Secretary.

    Lord Mandelson forwarded it to Jeffrey Epstein five minutes later.

    https://bsky.app/profile/danneidle.bsky.social/post/3mdvot3ezsl24

    Yeah he's ****ed
    Only thing he can fall back on is saying he was spectacularly incompetent at governance, which is meant to be one of the things he was great at and made his name.

    Doesn't really distract from why he was so friendly with JE, but it's his only play at this point.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,019
    Scott_xP said:

    @PolitlcsUK
    IN FULL: The cities currently bidding to be the UK's 2029 City of Culture

    - Blackpool
    - Bristol
    - Exeter
    - Ipswich
    - Peterborough
    - Plymouth
    - Portsmouth
    - Swindon
    - Wrexham

    Someone's avin' a larf!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,232
    Scott_xP said:

    @danneidle.bsky.social‬

    There's more.

    On 31 March 2010, Lord Mandelson's principal private secretary sent him a note of a meeting between the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Larry Summers, US Treasury Secretary.

    Lord Mandelson forwarded it to Jeffrey Epstein five minutes later.

    https://bsky.app/profile/danneidle.bsky.social/post/3mdvot3ezsl24

    Given that we now know he was a Russian intelligence asset it seems highly likely that everything Mandelson shared with Epstein very quickly made it to the Kremlin.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,154
    Roger said:

    Interesting program following Steve Rosenberg doing his job as BBC Moscow correspondent. He's one of the best the BBC has and obviously has to walk a tightrope a lot of the time. But he's always clear and always appears decent. I don't know about making himself the story though. It seems a little narcissistic for someone with his quality

    They were talking about the programme this morning on Today. It was Panorama who approached him and the Moscow BBC team and he initially didn’t want to do it as they are so busy and a small team but Panorama really wanted to see his perspective as a British journo in Moscow who has such a long connection and so can engage with the country well. So the point of the story was intended to be as much about him as Russia by design of Panorama.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,158
    @christiancalgie

    The Government's refusal to bring forward a bespoke bill to strip Mandelson of his peerage will not hold.

    MPs are currently looking at bringing in a presentation bill within the next day or two.

    The Government will then be faced with the choice of backing it or not.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,480
    Scott_xP said:

    @PolitlcsUK
    IN FULL: The cities currently bidding to be the UK's 2029 City of Culture

    - Blackpool
    - Bristol
    - Exeter
    - Ipswich
    - Peterborough
    - Plymouth
    - Portsmouth
    - Swindon
    - Wrexham

    So the applications from Lincoln, York, Edinburgh, Winchester, Arundel, Windsor, Stratford-upon-Avon, St Ives, Portmeirion, even Glasgow, just got lost in the post? That pesky Royal Mail.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,934
    boulay said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting program following Steve Rosenberg doing his job as BBC Moscow correspondent. He's one of the best the BBC has and obviously has to walk a tightrope a lot of the time. But he's always clear and always appears decent. I don't know about making himself the story though. It seems a little narcissistic for someone with his quality

    They were talking about the programme this morning on Today. It was Panorama who approached him and the Moscow BBC team and he initially didn’t want to do it as they are so busy and a small team but Panorama really wanted to see his perspective as a British journo in Moscow who has such a long connection and so can engage with the country well. So the point of the story was intended to be as much about him as Russia by design of Panorama.
    And he learnt Russian at the country's finest university.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,230
    MaxPB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @danneidle.bsky.social‬

    There's more.

    On 31 March 2010, Lord Mandelson's principal private secretary sent him a note of a meeting between the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Larry Summers, US Treasury Secretary.

    Lord Mandelson forwarded it to Jeffrey Epstein five minutes later.

    https://bsky.app/profile/danneidle.bsky.social/post/3mdvot3ezsl24

    Given that we now know he was a Russian intelligence asset it seems highly likely that everything Mandelson shared with Epstein very quickly made it to the Kremlin.
    The police should be making sure that Mandelson hands his passport over. He's a major flight risk given the years in jail he should be facing.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,154

    boulay said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting program following Steve Rosenberg doing his job as BBC Moscow correspondent. He's one of the best the BBC has and obviously has to walk a tightrope a lot of the time. But he's always clear and always appears decent. I don't know about making himself the story though. It seems a little narcissistic for someone with his quality

    They were talking about the programme this morning on Today. It was Panorama who approached him and the Moscow BBC team and he initially didn’t want to do it as they are so busy and a small team but Panorama really wanted to see his perspective as a British journo in Moscow who has such a long connection and so can engage with the country well. So the point of the story was intended to be as much about him as Russia by design of Panorama.
    And he learnt Russian at the country's finest university.
    Hull?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,934
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting program following Steve Rosenberg doing his job as BBC Moscow correspondent. He's one of the best the BBC has and obviously has to walk a tightrope a lot of the time. But he's always clear and always appears decent. I don't know about making himself the story though. It seems a little narcissistic for someone with his quality

    They were talking about the programme this morning on Today. It was Panorama who approached him and the Moscow BBC team and he initially didn’t want to do it as they are so busy and a small team but Panorama really wanted to see his perspective as a British journo in Moscow who has such a long connection and so can engage with the country well. So the point of the story was intended to be as much about him as Russia by design of Panorama.
    And he learnt Russian at the country's finest university.
    Hull?
    Nice try. Physically close but not correct.

  • glwglw Posts: 10,717
    MaxPB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @danneidle.bsky.social‬

    There's more.

    On 31 March 2010, Lord Mandelson's principal private secretary sent him a note of a meeting between the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Larry Summers, US Treasury Secretary.

    Lord Mandelson forwarded it to Jeffrey Epstein five minutes later.

    https://bsky.app/profile/danneidle.bsky.social/post/3mdvot3ezsl24

    Given that we now know he was a Russian intelligence asset it seems highly likely that everything Mandelson shared with Epstein very quickly made it to the Kremlin.
    Epstein wouldn't even have to be aware of or aligned with the Russians. The mere fact he had such powerful friends would have made him a very obvious target for communications interception by a whole host of countries, with perhaps the US being alone in not listening in as he was a US citizen (although there are loop holes).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,934

    MaxPB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @danneidle.bsky.social‬

    There's more.

    On 31 March 2010, Lord Mandelson's principal private secretary sent him a note of a meeting between the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Larry Summers, US Treasury Secretary.

    Lord Mandelson forwarded it to Jeffrey Epstein five minutes later.

    https://bsky.app/profile/danneidle.bsky.social/post/3mdvot3ezsl24

    Given that we now know he was a Russian intelligence asset it seems highly likely that everything Mandelson shared with Epstein very quickly made it to the Kremlin.
    The police should be making sure that Mandelson hands his passport over. He's a major flight risk given the years in jail he should be facing.
    Isn't one of the email about buying a flat in Brasil?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,934

    Scott_xP said:

    @PolitlcsUK
    IN FULL: The cities currently bidding to be the UK's 2029 City of Culture

    - Blackpool
    - Bristol
    - Exeter
    - Ipswich
    - Peterborough
    - Plymouth
    - Portsmouth
    - Swindon
    - Wrexham

    If Swindon Town wins.. The place is utterly devoid of culture. Imagine winning a trip to the UK City of Culture and ending up in Swindon Town centre. There's a railway museum and an edge of town shit shopping village. The centre of town is mostly closed down

    You could visit the Oasis centre in West Swindon, which apparently gave Oasis their name. It's shit
    Isn't it the setting for The Office?

    That's culture.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,347
    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @PolitlcsUK
    IN FULL: The cities currently bidding to be the UK's 2029 City of Culture

    - Blackpool
    - Bristol
    - Exeter
    - Ipswich
    - Peterborough
    - Plymouth
    - Portsmouth
    - Swindon
    - Wrexham

    So the applications from Lincoln, York, Edinburgh, Winchester, Arundel, Windsor, Stratford-upon-Avon, St Ives, Portmeirion, even Glasgow, just got lost in the post? That pesky Royal Mail.
    No-body needs to tell any of those places they’re better than Blackpool. They know.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,934
    Labour for Denton is over 6 and I think that is value.

  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,638

    Scott_xP said:

    @PolitlcsUK
    IN FULL: The cities currently bidding to be the UK's 2029 City of Culture

    - Blackpool
    - Bristol
    - Exeter
    - Ipswich
    - Peterborough
    - Plymouth
    - Portsmouth
    - Swindon
    - Wrexham

    If Swindon Town wins.. The place is utterly devoid of culture. Imagine winning a trip to the UK City of Culture and ending up in Swindon Town centre. There's a railway museum and an edge of town shit shopping village. The centre of town is mostly closed down

    You could visit the Oasis centre in West Swindon, which apparently gave Oasis their name. It's shit
    Isn't it the setting for The Office?

    That's culture.
    That's Slough I think you'll find, which does at least have the old Horlicks factory.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,344
    How much do they want Mandelson on Celebrity Traitors?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,934
    edited 9:02PM
    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    EXCLUSIVE

    Lord Mandelson interview with
    @katyballs
    , who spoke to him both before and after the release of thousands of new Epstein emails

    * On resigning from Labour. 'The decision wasn’t easy but I feel better for it as I need to reset. I am a New Labour person and always will be wherever the current party situates itself. But I think I want a sea change. I want to be more an outsider looking in than the other way round. I want to contribute ideas that enable Britain to strengthen and to work for all, in every part of the country'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2018419906241282318
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,289
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    A good day to bury bad news, so no-one is talking about the crappy deals Starmer got in China.

    He got any deals, news to me? £3 off a bottle of whiskey doesn't count. Unless we are talking about what the Chinese got e.g. super spy HQ signed off.
    Errrr.

    "whiskey"?
    Is some Scottish bloke is going to track me down and kill me now because I used the American spelling....
    Yes
    Drowned in a barrel of Macallan…there are worse ways to go, by George!
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,715


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    EXCLUSIVE

    Lord Mandelson interview with
    @katyballs
    , who spoke to him both before and after the release of thousands of new Epstein emails

    * On resigning from Labour. 'The decision wasn’t easy but I feel better for it as I need to reset. I am a New Labour person and always will be wherever the current party situates itself. But I think I want a sea change. I want to be more an outsider looking in than the other way round. I want to contribute ideas that enable Britain to strengthen and to work for all, in every part of the country'

    An outsider looking in - from Rio?
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,347


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    EXCLUSIVE

    Lord Mandelson interview with
    @katyballs
    , who spoke to him both before and after the release of thousands of new Epstein emails

    * On resigning from Labour. 'The decision wasn’t easy but I feel better for it as I need to reset. I am a New Labour person and always will be wherever the current party situates itself. But I think I want a sea change. I want to be more an outsider looking in than the other way round. I want to contribute ideas that enable Britain to strengthen and to work for all, in every part of the country'

    He sounds like he thinks he can still come back. How deluded!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,463
    edited 9:04PM

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    EXCLUSIVE

    Lord Mandelson interview with
    @katyballs
    , who spoke to him both before and after the release of thousands of new Epstein emails

    * On resigning from Labour. 'The decision wasn’t easy but I feel better for it as I need to reset. I am a New Labour person and always will be wherever the current party situates itself. But I think I want a sea change. I want to be more an outsider looking in than the other way round. I want to contribute ideas that enable Britain to strengthen and to work for all, in every part of the country'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2018419906241282318

    I expect you'll be becoming a podcast host, sir. That's what most of the gentlemen does, sir, that gets sent down for indecent behaviour.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,259

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    EXCLUSIVE

    Lord Mandelson interview with
    @katyballs
    , who spoke to him both before and after the release of thousands of new Epstein emails

    * On resigning from Labour. 'The decision wasn’t easy but I feel better for it as I need to reset. I am a New Labour person and always will be wherever the current party situates itself. But I think I want a sea change. I want to be more an outsider looking in than the other way round. I want to contribute ideas that enable Britain to strengthen and to work for all, in every part of the country'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2018419906241282318

    He’s deluded if he thinks he can play that kind of role now.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,934
    steve richards
    @steverichards14

    The biggest British political scandal in modern times

    https://x.com/steverichards14/status/2018384504767811869
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,843
    kle4 said:

    Ratters said:

    I noticed that Mandelson was still being invited to comment on Greenland etc on TV just a few weeks ago.

    Hopefully after this final nail in his political coffin the only interviews he'll be doing are under caution.

    I'm amazed he did not have his own super popular political podcast.
    Him and JRM doing a podcast - clickbait gold.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,497
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    nico67 said:

    I see Resident Doctors have decided they want to become even more unpopular and have voted to strike again .

    They almost didn't meet the turnout threshold this time so they might not get any more chances. I wonder if the unions will put pressure on Labour to get rid of the minimum turnout threshold for strikes in the coming year.
    I thought that was already planned and part of a bill to be voted on soon?

    I have to admit I think turnout threshold is a perfectly reasonable requirement.
    Would you apply it to local elections? We’d save on councillor expenses as we’d have a lot fewer councillors. Not a single Police and Crime Commissioner would’ve been elected in 2024. Sarah Pochin wouldn’t be an MP.
    First, I wouldn't have PCCs, and no i wouldn't, I don't see how seeking support for a specific industrial action and public apathy about who will be a political representative are really comparable.

    I'd have a more proportional voting system.
    The choice of your MP seems more impactful than a specific industrial action, so why require a certain turnout for the less important one?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,934

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    EXCLUSIVE

    Lord Mandelson interview with
    @katyballs
    , who spoke to him both before and after the release of thousands of new Epstein emails

    * On resigning from Labour. 'The decision wasn’t easy but I feel better for it as I need to reset. I am a New Labour person and always will be wherever the current party situates itself. But I think I want a sea change. I want to be more an outsider looking in than the other way round. I want to contribute ideas that enable Britain to strengthen and to work for all, in every part of the country'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2018419906241282318

    He’s deluded if he thinks he can play that kind of role now.
    There's more on the tweet.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,575

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    EXCLUSIVE

    Lord Mandelson interview with
    @katyballs
    , who spoke to him both before and after the release of thousands of new Epstein emails

    * On resigning from Labour. 'The decision wasn’t easy but I feel better for it as I need to reset. I am a New Labour person and always will be wherever the current party situates itself. But I think I want a sea change. I want to be more an outsider looking in than the other way round. I want to contribute ideas that enable Britain to strengthen and to work for all, in every part of the country'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2018419906241282318

    He’s deluded if he thinks he can play that kind of role now.
    He could write his political manifesto from jail.

    You know who also...
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,652

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    EXCLUSIVE

    Lord Mandelson interview with
    @katyballs
    , who spoke to him both before and after the release of thousands of new Epstein emails

    * On resigning from Labour. 'The decision wasn’t easy but I feel better for it as I need to reset. I am a New Labour person and always will be wherever the current party situates itself. But I think I want a sea change. I want to be more an outsider looking in than the other way round. I want to contribute ideas that enable Britain to strengthen and to work for all, in every part of the country'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2018419906241282318

    I assume that quote is from before the latest emails were released.
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