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  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,643

    Taz said:

    Meanwhile, in "some endorsements you probably don't want" news,

    Far-right activist Tommy Robinson has endorsed Reform UK’s by-election candidate, after Labour warned he represents “extreme” politics.

    Matt Goodwin - GB News presenter and former university academic - was unveiled as Reform UK’s candidate for the upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election earlier this week...


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-matt-goodwin-tommy-robinson-b2910833.html

    Kiss of Death and rightly so
    I don't see that at all. Hitler hasn't been the kiss of death for vegetarianism. People need to grow up and vote based on their own thought process, not sloppily follow 'vibes'.
    I claimed Hitler was a vegetarian, and lost the argument. There’s not a clear picture on it. 🥕
    Hitler was anti-smoking, which, I am assured, was one reason that the UK was slow to move against tobacco.
    He liked dogs too (well ignoring the bit where he killed his)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,473

    DavidL said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    So who keeps hammering us at Cricket?
    It's a very well organised conspiracy.

    But really - are you going to believe in a continent where dumping criminals results in an affluent social democracy? With a national animal that is a mammal that lays eggs, has a duck bill and poisonous thumbs? Black swans??

    Who made this shit up?
    Presumably the Koalas. It seems to be all that they are good at.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,298

    ..

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    Which group do you reckon Leon is a member of? Or is he just a Gammon?
    Acorn-fed jamón Ibérico with Falangist tendencies if you don’t mind.
    ¡Viva la muerte!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,974
    Leon said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    I’m stunned by that figure. Given how much Tommy is demonised by all media constantly - i would honestly have expected lower single digits. 5% or something. 10% at absolute most

    But a quarter of the country?

    Wow. Shows how the UK has shifted hard to the right. Encouraging news
    It’s from the YouGov fame tracker which isn’t a proper poll.

    Standard polls have his approval ratings in the 6 to 12% range.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,298
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    So who keeps hammering us at Cricket?
    It's a very well organised conspiracy.

    But really - are you going to believe in a continent where dumping criminals results in an affluent social democracy? With a national animal that is a mammal that lays eggs, has a duck bill and poisonous thumbs? Black swans??

    Who made this shit up?
    Presumably the Koalas. It seems to be all that they are good at.
    You believe what Drop Bears tell you?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,473

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    So who keeps hammering us at Cricket?
    It's a very well organised conspiracy.

    But really - are you going to believe in a continent where dumping criminals results in an affluent social democracy? With a national animal that is a mammal that lays eggs, has a duck bill and poisonous thumbs? Black swans??

    Who made this shit up?
    Presumably the Koalas. It seems to be all that they are good at.
    You believe what Drop Bears tell you?
    Only the bit about Haggis having legs of different lengths so they can run around the side of hills.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,292

    Leon said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    I’m stunned by that figure. Given how much Tommy is demonised by all media constantly - i would honestly have expected lower single digits. 5% or something. 10% at absolute most

    But a quarter of the country?

    Wow. Shows how the UK has shifted hard to the right. Encouraging news
    It’s from the YouGov fame tracker which isn’t a proper poll.

    Standard polls have his approval ratings in the 6 to 12% range.
    Still, 12% is pretty good. It’s time to look on the bright side and stop all the negativity on PB
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,921
    Leon said:

    Labour conceivably gains a point or two when net migration falls to almost zero. Probably a decent chance then of a Labour lead in one poll, anyone willing to bet

    Net migration won't matter to Reform voters if you still 35k asylum queue-bargers coming over the Channel.
    I don’t believe zero net migration will particularly help Labour because

    1. That could still mean native Brits leaving in their 100,000s and somalians (or whatever) replacing them at scale and

    2. Half the problem is the people already here. The STARMERwave. Brits want a lot of them GONE
    FTFY. Boris got all the big calls right!

    I'd rather 100,000 tall dusky Somali ladies replace the same number of Tiny Tom fanbois any day of the week.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,298
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    So who keeps hammering us at Cricket?
    It's a very well organised conspiracy.

    But really - are you going to believe in a continent where dumping criminals results in an affluent social democracy? With a national animal that is a mammal that lays eggs, has a duck bill and poisonous thumbs? Black swans??

    Who made this shit up?
    Presumably the Koalas. It seems to be all that they are good at.
    You believe what Drop Bears tell you?
    Only the bit about Haggis having legs of different lengths so they can run around the side of hills.
    But are these Protestant Haggis or Catholic Haggis?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,292

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    So who keeps hammering us at Cricket?
    It's a very well organised conspiracy.

    But really - are you going to believe in a continent where dumping criminals results in an affluent social democracy? With a national animal that is a mammal that lays eggs, has a duck bill and poisonous thumbs? Black swans??

    Who made this shit up?
    Presumably the Koalas. It seems to be all that they are good at.
    You believe what Drop Bears tell you?
    I’ve seen drop bears in the wild. In fact I’ve seen them drop. Tree dwelling kangaroos

    I’ve also seen koalas, wombats, enormous salties, cassowaries, dingos, multiple platypi and the Ruffous Bettong
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,563
    edited 2:45PM

    DavidL said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    So who keeps hammering us at Cricket?
    It's a very well organised conspiracy.

    But really - are you going to believe in a continent where dumping criminals results in an affluent social democracy? With a national animal that is a mammal that lays eggs, has a duck bill and poisonous thumbs? Black swans??

    Who made this shit up?
    The “duck-billed” platypus evolved earlier than ducks did. We should really call ducks “platypus-billed ducks”.
    I was listening to a Zoom the other day, a talk on time, where the first 'questioner' asked how could the speaker talk about things happening 10,000 years ago when the world was only created 6000 years ago!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,986

    Taz said:

    Meanwhile, in "some endorsements you probably don't want" news,

    Far-right activist Tommy Robinson has endorsed Reform UK’s by-election candidate, after Labour warned he represents “extreme” politics.

    Matt Goodwin - GB News presenter and former university academic - was unveiled as Reform UK’s candidate for the upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election earlier this week...


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-matt-goodwin-tommy-robinson-b2910833.html

    Kiss of Death and rightly so
    I don't see that at all. Hitler hasn't been the kiss of death for vegetarianism. People need to grow up and vote based on their own thought process, not sloppily follow 'vibes'.
    I don't know - I always think there is something odd about vegetarians - maybe the link with Hitler is why...

    More seriously, too often people on PB (notoriously centrist, mostly anti-Brexit, mostly very much anti Reform) have no concept of the great unwashed. My neighbour, a classic salt of the Earth carpet layer, came out with "Farage is right*" totally unprompted one weekend. A lot of people will vote for Reform and many of them will also think Tommeh Two Names has a point about that thing that cannot be discussed on PB.**

    *Paraphrase - cannot recall the exact discussion.

    ** No, not voting reform
    My neighbour is a retired market trader.

    He's stood (at council elections) for the Tories, Reform, UKIP and the English Democrats and was actually on the council for a number of years. He has ... views. And the odd flag.

    But then, I live in Donny, not Harrogate or Surrey. Brexit was not a surprise.

    Brexit surprised a lot of people who only knew Remainers, like a lot of my Uni colleagues.
    I knew none and I did ask. Later I did find one or two and I did ask. One was a reasonably popular model who had just asked if she could stay at my place in France. I asked her what she was thinking about and after a few minutes playing the dumb blond (she's brunette) she explained.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,473

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    So who keeps hammering us at Cricket?
    It's a very well organised conspiracy.

    But really - are you going to believe in a continent where dumping criminals results in an affluent social democracy? With a national animal that is a mammal that lays eggs, has a duck bill and poisonous thumbs? Black swans??

    Who made this shit up?
    Presumably the Koalas. It seems to be all that they are good at.
    You believe what Drop Bears tell you?
    Only the bit about Haggis having legs of different lengths so they can run around the side of hills.
    But are these Protestant Haggis or Catholic Haggis?
    That would be an ecumenical matter.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,298
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    I’m stunned by that figure. Given how much Tommy is demonised by all media constantly - i would honestly have expected lower single digits. 5% or something. 10% at absolute most

    But a quarter of the country?

    Wow. Shows how the UK has shifted hard to the right. Encouraging news
    It’s from the YouGov fame tracker which isn’t a proper poll.

    Standard polls have his approval ratings in the 6 to 12% range.
    Still, 12% is pretty good. It’s time to look on the bright side and stop all the negativity on PB
    Why would anyone have negative thoughts about a persistent, violent criminal? Who organises racism and uses that to make money on a considerable scale? While keeping on committing crimes - including attempting to interfere in the workings of the courts?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,698

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    So who keeps hammering us at Cricket?
    It's a very well organised conspiracy.

    But really - are you going to believe in a continent where dumping criminals results in an affluent social democracy? With a national animal that is a mammal that lays eggs, has a duck bill and poisonous thumbs? Black swans??

    Who made this shit up?
    Presumably the Koalas. It seems to be all that they are good at.
    You believe what Drop Bears tell you?
    Only the bit about Haggis having legs of different lengths so they can run around the side of hills.
    But are these Protestant Haggis or Catholic Haggis?
    I think you can tell by which leg is the longer one, hence whether they go clockwise or anti-clockwise.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,298

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    So who keeps hammering us at Cricket?
    It's a very well organised conspiracy.

    But really - are you going to believe in a continent where dumping criminals results in an affluent social democracy? With a national animal that is a mammal that lays eggs, has a duck bill and poisonous thumbs? Black swans??

    Who made this shit up?
    Presumably the Koalas. It seems to be all that they are good at.
    You believe what Drop Bears tell you?
    Only the bit about Haggis having legs of different lengths so they can run around the side of hills.
    But are these Protestant Haggis or Catholic Haggis?
    I think you can tell by which leg is the longer one, hence whether they go clockwise or anti-clockwise.
    Ok - tell me, are Protestant haggis clockwise or anti-clockwise?

    Thought - what if a Protestant Haggis is one a roundabout, at the top of a mountain?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,875
    carnforth said:

    Djokovic into the final. Magnificent pair of semi finals today.

    Yep. Almost 2 upsets. And amazing from Djokovic. What a ledge.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,713
    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Djokovic into the final. Magnificent pair of semi finals today.

    Yep. Almost 2 upsets. And amazing from Djokovic. What a ledge.
    25 is on!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,298

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    So who keeps hammering us at Cricket?
    It's a very well organised conspiracy.

    But really - are you going to believe in a continent where dumping criminals results in an affluent social democracy? With a national animal that is a mammal that lays eggs, has a duck bill and poisonous thumbs? Black swans??

    Who made this shit up?
    Presumably the Koalas. It seems to be all that they are good at.
    You believe what Drop Bears tell you?
    Only the bit about Haggis having legs of different lengths so they can run around the side of hills.
    But are these Protestant Haggis or Catholic Haggis?
    I think you can tell by which leg is the longer one, hence whether they go clockwise or anti-clockwise.
    Ok - tell me, are Protestant haggis clockwise or anti-clockwise?

    Thought - what if a Protestant Haggis is one a roundabout, at the top of a mountain?
    Thinking about it - Haggis are traditionally left leg short. Which suggests their dominant foot is the right foot. So Haggis are generally Protestant. And would run round the mountain anti-clockwise.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,707

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    I’m stunned by that figure. Given how much Tommy is demonised by all media constantly - i would honestly have expected lower single digits. 5% or something. 10% at absolute most

    But a quarter of the country?

    Wow. Shows how the UK has shifted hard to the right. Encouraging news
    It’s from the YouGov fame tracker which isn’t a proper poll.

    Standard polls have his approval ratings in the 6 to 12% range.
    Still, 12% is pretty good. It’s time to look on the bright side and stop all the negativity on PB
    Why would anyone have negative thoughts about a persistent, violent criminal? Who organises racism and uses that to make money on a considerable scale? While keeping on committing crimes - including attempting to interfere in the workings of the courts?
    For the same reason a disturbingly large number of people form their opinions: he annoys people I don't like.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,199

    5 minutes of Peter Zeihan on US-UK trade talks:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGNgTz1Rqfw

    If he's right, we really are stuffed. Either we get screwed as we enter NAFTA, or we get screwed trying to get back into EU. Or we get even more screwed going it alone.

    Sigh.

    It's always amazing how many supposedly well-informed people still don't seem to realise that we have a very comprehensive FTA with the EU which is not under any threat.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,428

    DavidL said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    So who keeps hammering us at Cricket?
    It's a very well organised conspiracy.

    But really - are you going to believe in a continent where dumping criminals results in an affluent social democracy? With a national animal that is a mammal that lays eggs, has a duck bill and poisonous thumbs? Black swans??

    Who made this shit up?
    The “duck-billed” platypus evolved earlier than ducks did. We should really call ducks “platypus-billed ducks”.
    I was listening to a Zoom the other day, a talk on time, where the first 'questioner' asked how could the speaker talk about things happening 10,000 years ago when the world was only created 6000 years ago!
    There are some talks and speakers where it is known I will ask such stupid questions for the laughs. Usually as a last question rather than the first one though
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,986

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    I would need an affidavit from the publication that printed that Yougov poll. I know we have an ill informed electorate in this country but that sounds miles out
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,875

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Djokovic into the final. Magnificent pair of semi finals today.

    Yep. Almost 2 upsets. And amazing from Djokovic. What a ledge.
    25 is on!
    Just has to beat Alcaraz now. Can't see it - but I couldn't see him beating Sinner.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,957
    edited 2:54PM
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,698
    edited 2:54PM

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    So who keeps hammering us at Cricket?
    It's a very well organised conspiracy.

    But really - are you going to believe in a continent where dumping criminals results in an affluent social democracy? With a national animal that is a mammal that lays eggs, has a duck bill and poisonous thumbs? Black swans??

    Who made this shit up?
    Presumably the Koalas. It seems to be all that they are good at.
    You believe what Drop Bears tell you?
    Only the bit about Haggis having legs of different lengths so they can run around the side of hills.
    But are these Protestant Haggis or Catholic Haggis?
    I think you can tell by which leg is the longer one, hence whether they go clockwise or anti-clockwise.
    Ok - tell me, are Protestant haggis clockwise or anti-clockwise?

    Thought - what if a Protestant Haggis is one a roundabout, at the top of a mountain?
    Catholic Haggis is OK, I think, it is the Protestant one that gets run over.

    Of course that isn't fixed. In Dunedin the handedness is reversed.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,713
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Djokovic into the final. Magnificent pair of semi finals today.

    Yep. Almost 2 upsets. And amazing from Djokovic. What a ledge.
    25 is on!
    Just has to beat Alcaraz now. Can't see it - but I couldn't see him beating Sinner.
    And as expected Raducanu didn't win a slam again. And seems to have issues keeping a coach on board.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,520

    5 minutes of Peter Zeihan on US-UK trade talks:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGNgTz1Rqfw

    If he's right, we really are stuffed. Either we get screwed as we enter NAFTA, or we get screwed trying to get back into EU. Or we get even more screwed going it alone.

    Sigh.

    It's always amazing how many supposedly well-informed people still don't seem to realise that we have a very comprehensive FTA with the EU which is not under any threat.
    And for which we have paid a steep price.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,921
    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Meanwhile, in "some endorsements you probably don't want" news,

    Far-right activist Tommy Robinson has endorsed Reform UK’s by-election candidate, after Labour warned he represents “extreme” politics.

    Matt Goodwin - GB News presenter and former university academic - was unveiled as Reform UK’s candidate for the upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election earlier this week...


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-matt-goodwin-tommy-robinson-b2910833.html

    Kiss of Death and rightly so
    I don't see that at all. Hitler hasn't been the kiss of death for vegetarianism. People need to grow up and vote based on their own thought process, not sloppily follow 'vibes'.
    I don't know - I always think there is something odd about vegetarians - maybe the link with Hitler is why...

    More seriously, too often people on PB (notoriously centrist, mostly anti-Brexit, mostly very much anti Reform) have no concept of the great unwashed. My neighbour, a classic salt of the Earth carpet layer, came out with "Farage is right*" totally unprompted one weekend. A lot of people will vote for Reform and many of them will also think Tommeh Two Names has a point about that thing that cannot be discussed on PB.**

    *Paraphrase - cannot recall the exact discussion.

    ** No, not voting reform
    My neighbour is a retired market trader.

    He's stood (at council elections) for the Tories, Reform, UKIP and the English Democrats and was actually on the council for a number of years. He has ... views. And the odd flag.

    But then, I live in Donny, not Harrogate or Surrey. Brexit was not a surprise.

    Brexit surprised a lot of people who only knew Remainers, like a lot of my Uni colleagues.
    I knew none and I did ask. Later I did find one or two and I did ask. One was a reasonably popular model who had just asked if she could stay at my place in France. I asked her what she was thinking about and after a few minutes playing the dumb blond (she's brunette) she explained.
    I knew lots. My work base is Port Talbot which was Brexit Central. So what were the justifications? EU ripping us off, the French, Eastern Europeans taking our jobs, Eastern Europeans in the GP queue, Eastern European children not having English as their first language ( in Wales?) Italians flouting government subsidies to steel producer rules and WW2. And racism and racism.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,680
    Certainly not bohemian and nothing to rhapsodise about, that's for sure.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,292

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Meanwhile, in "some endorsements you probably don't want" news,

    Far-right activist Tommy Robinson has endorsed Reform UK’s by-election candidate, after Labour warned he represents “extreme” politics.

    Matt Goodwin - GB News presenter and former university academic - was unveiled as Reform UK’s candidate for the upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election earlier this week...


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-matt-goodwin-tommy-robinson-b2910833.html

    Kiss of Death and rightly so
    I don't see that at all. Hitler hasn't been the kiss of death for vegetarianism. People need to grow up and vote based on their own thought process, not sloppily follow 'vibes'.
    I don't know - I always think there is something odd about vegetarians - maybe the link with Hitler is why...

    More seriously, too often people on PB (notoriously centrist, mostly anti-Brexit, mostly very much anti Reform) have no concept of the great unwashed. My neighbour, a classic salt of the Earth carpet layer, came out with "Farage is right*" totally unprompted one weekend. A lot of people will vote for Reform and many of them will also think Tommeh Two Names has a point about that thing that cannot be discussed on PB.**

    *Paraphrase - cannot recall the exact discussion.

    ** No, not voting reform
    My neighbour is a retired market trader.

    He's stood (at council elections) for the Tories, Reform, UKIP and the English Democrats and was actually on the council for a number of years. He has ... views. And the odd flag.

    But then, I live in Donny, not Harrogate or Surrey. Brexit was not a surprise.

    Brexit surprised a lot of people who only knew Remainers, like a lot of my Uni colleagues.
    I knew none and I did ask. Later I did find one or two and I did ask. One was a reasonably popular model who had just asked if she could stay at my place in France. I asked her what she was thinking about and after a few minutes playing the dumb blond (she's brunette) she explained.
    I knew lots. My work base is Port Talbot which was Brexit Central. So what were the justifications? EU ripping us off, the French, Eastern Europeans taking our jobs, Eastern Europeans in the GP queue, Eastern European children not having English as their first language ( in Wales?) Italians flouting government subsidies to steel producer rules and WW2. And racism and racism.
    Are you saying racism is bad?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,298

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Meanwhile, in "some endorsements you probably don't want" news,

    Far-right activist Tommy Robinson has endorsed Reform UK’s by-election candidate, after Labour warned he represents “extreme” politics.

    Matt Goodwin - GB News presenter and former university academic - was unveiled as Reform UK’s candidate for the upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election earlier this week...


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-matt-goodwin-tommy-robinson-b2910833.html

    Kiss of Death and rightly so
    I don't see that at all. Hitler hasn't been the kiss of death for vegetarianism. People need to grow up and vote based on their own thought process, not sloppily follow 'vibes'.
    I don't know - I always think there is something odd about vegetarians - maybe the link with Hitler is why...

    More seriously, too often people on PB (notoriously centrist, mostly anti-Brexit, mostly very much anti Reform) have no concept of the great unwashed. My neighbour, a classic salt of the Earth carpet layer, came out with "Farage is right*" totally unprompted one weekend. A lot of people will vote for Reform and many of them will also think Tommeh Two Names has a point about that thing that cannot be discussed on PB.**

    *Paraphrase - cannot recall the exact discussion.

    ** No, not voting reform
    My neighbour is a retired market trader.

    He's stood (at council elections) for the Tories, Reform, UKIP and the English Democrats and was actually on the council for a number of years. He has ... views. And the odd flag.

    But then, I live in Donny, not Harrogate or Surrey. Brexit was not a surprise.

    Brexit surprised a lot of people who only knew Remainers, like a lot of my Uni colleagues.
    I knew none and I did ask. Later I did find one or two and I did ask. One was a reasonably popular model who had just asked if she could stay at my place in France. I asked her what she was thinking about and after a few minutes playing the dumb blond (she's brunette) she explained.
    I knew lots. My work base is Port Talbot which was Brexit Central. So what were the justifications? EU ripping us off, the French, Eastern Europeans taking our jobs, Eastern Europeans in the GP queue, Eastern European children not having English as their first language ( in Wales?) Italians flouting government subsidies to steel producer rules and WW2. And racism and racism.
    One thing that was calamitous for the EU in the UK was the British approach to rules that others are breaking.

    If the Italians were playing games with steel subsidies, do the same back.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,628
    Good old Brian! The US probably isn't much more unsafe than normal, but nice to see he's given those 'yookay' MAGA twits a taste of their own medicine.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,298
    edited 3:04PM

    Certainly not bohemian and nothing to rhapsodise about, that's for sure.
    Another one bites the dust.

    But, who wants to live forever?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,411
    Roger said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    I would need an affidavit from the publication that printed that Yougov poll. I know we have an ill informed electorate in this country but that sounds miles out
    See https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5438818/#Comment_5438818 TSE says it's not a proper poll.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,032

    5 minutes of Peter Zeihan on US-UK trade talks:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGNgTz1Rqfw

    If he's right, we really are stuffed. Either we get screwed as we enter NAFTA, or we get screwed trying to get back into EU. Or we get even more screwed going it alone.

    Sigh.

    It's always amazing how many supposedly well-informed people still don't seem to realise that we have a very comprehensive FTA with the EU which is not under any threat.
    It's always amazing how many supposedly well-informed people take the always-wrong, always-cllickbaity Peter Zeihan seriously.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,246
    Fishing said:

    5 minutes of Peter Zeihan on US-UK trade talks:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGNgTz1Rqfw

    If he's right, we really are stuffed. Either we get screwed as we enter NAFTA, or we get screwed trying to get back into EU. Or we get even more screwed going it alone.

    Sigh.

    It's always amazing how many supposedly well-informed people still don't seem to realise that we have a very comprehensive FTA with the EU which is not under any threat.
    It's always amazing how many supposedly well-informed people take the always-wrong, always-cllickbaity Peter Zeihan seriously.
    Youtubers PB posters bring up unironically is a pet category of mine.

    I'm sure I'm just as bad, but I don't post them!

    Youtube is so oddly siloed - everyone thinks a popular youtuber they follow is a household name, meanwhile no one's heard of them.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,713

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Meanwhile, in "some endorsements you probably don't want" news,

    Far-right activist Tommy Robinson has endorsed Reform UK’s by-election candidate, after Labour warned he represents “extreme” politics.

    Matt Goodwin - GB News presenter and former university academic - was unveiled as Reform UK’s candidate for the upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election earlier this week...


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-matt-goodwin-tommy-robinson-b2910833.html

    Kiss of Death and rightly so
    I don't see that at all. Hitler hasn't been the kiss of death for vegetarianism. People need to grow up and vote based on their own thought process, not sloppily follow 'vibes'.
    I don't know - I always think there is something odd about vegetarians - maybe the link with Hitler is why...

    More seriously, too often people on PB (notoriously centrist, mostly anti-Brexit, mostly very much anti Reform) have no concept of the great unwashed. My neighbour, a classic salt of the Earth carpet layer, came out with "Farage is right*" totally unprompted one weekend. A lot of people will vote for Reform and many of them will also think Tommeh Two Names has a point about that thing that cannot be discussed on PB.**

    *Paraphrase - cannot recall the exact discussion.

    ** No, not voting reform
    My neighbour is a retired market trader.

    He's stood (at council elections) for the Tories, Reform, UKIP and the English Democrats and was actually on the council for a number of years. He has ... views. And the odd flag.

    But then, I live in Donny, not Harrogate or Surrey. Brexit was not a surprise.

    Brexit surprised a lot of people who only knew Remainers, like a lot of my Uni colleagues.
    I knew none and I did ask. Later I did find one or two and I did ask. One was a reasonably popular model who had just asked if she could stay at my place in France. I asked her what she was thinking about and after a few minutes playing the dumb blond (she's brunette) she explained.
    I knew lots. My work base is Port Talbot which was Brexit Central. So what were the justifications? EU ripping us off, the French, Eastern Europeans taking our jobs, Eastern Europeans in the GP queue, Eastern European children not having English as their first language ( in Wales?) Italians flouting government subsidies to steel producer rules and WW2. And racism and racism.
    One thing that was calamitous for the EU in the UK was the British approach to rules that others are breaking.

    If the Italians were playing games with steel subsidies, do the same back.
    Totally agree. We have had endless examples of the French (say) ignoring rules that don't suit them while goody two shoes Britain obeys every last whim and requirement. Our own worst enemy, really.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,854

    Taz said:

    Meanwhile, in "some endorsements you probably don't want" news,

    Far-right activist Tommy Robinson has endorsed Reform UK’s by-election candidate, after Labour warned he represents “extreme” politics.

    Matt Goodwin - GB News presenter and former university academic - was unveiled as Reform UK’s candidate for the upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election earlier this week...


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-matt-goodwin-tommy-robinson-b2910833.html

    Kiss of Death and rightly so
    I don't see that at all. Hitler hasn't been the kiss of death for vegetarianism. People need to grow up and vote based on their own thought process, not sloppily follow 'vibes'.
    I claimed Hitler was a vegetarian, and lost the argument. There’s not a clear picture on it. 🥕
    Omega 3, mostly found in fish, has a big impact on our ability to control our emotions.

    #justsaying
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,563
    eek said:

    DavidL said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    So who keeps hammering us at Cricket?
    It's a very well organised conspiracy.

    But really - are you going to believe in a continent where dumping criminals results in an affluent social democracy? With a national animal that is a mammal that lays eggs, has a duck bill and poisonous thumbs? Black swans??

    Who made this shit up?
    The “duck-billed” platypus evolved earlier than ducks did. We should really call ducks “platypus-billed ducks”.
    I was listening to a Zoom the other day, a talk on time, where the first 'questioner' asked how could the speaker talk about things happening 10,000 years ago when the world was only created 6000 years ago!
    There are some talks and speakers where it is known I will ask such stupid questions for the laughs. Usually as a last question rather than the first one though
    Point noted. Trouble was, everyone apart from her, the chair and the speaker, was muted. She also wanted to know why the speaker was giving credit to the 'heathen Babylonians'.
    There are another couple of talks in the series but I don't think I'll bother.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,298

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Meanwhile, in "some endorsements you probably don't want" news,

    Far-right activist Tommy Robinson has endorsed Reform UK’s by-election candidate, after Labour warned he represents “extreme” politics.

    Matt Goodwin - GB News presenter and former university academic - was unveiled as Reform UK’s candidate for the upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election earlier this week...


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-matt-goodwin-tommy-robinson-b2910833.html

    Kiss of Death and rightly so
    I don't see that at all. Hitler hasn't been the kiss of death for vegetarianism. People need to grow up and vote based on their own thought process, not sloppily follow 'vibes'.
    I don't know - I always think there is something odd about vegetarians - maybe the link with Hitler is why...

    More seriously, too often people on PB (notoriously centrist, mostly anti-Brexit, mostly very much anti Reform) have no concept of the great unwashed. My neighbour, a classic salt of the Earth carpet layer, came out with "Farage is right*" totally unprompted one weekend. A lot of people will vote for Reform and many of them will also think Tommeh Two Names has a point about that thing that cannot be discussed on PB.**

    *Paraphrase - cannot recall the exact discussion.

    ** No, not voting reform
    My neighbour is a retired market trader.

    He's stood (at council elections) for the Tories, Reform, UKIP and the English Democrats and was actually on the council for a number of years. He has ... views. And the odd flag.

    But then, I live in Donny, not Harrogate or Surrey. Brexit was not a surprise.

    Brexit surprised a lot of people who only knew Remainers, like a lot of my Uni colleagues.
    I knew none and I did ask. Later I did find one or two and I did ask. One was a reasonably popular model who had just asked if she could stay at my place in France. I asked her what she was thinking about and after a few minutes playing the dumb blond (she's brunette) she explained.
    I knew lots. My work base is Port Talbot which was Brexit Central. So what were the justifications? EU ripping us off, the French, Eastern Europeans taking our jobs, Eastern Europeans in the GP queue, Eastern European children not having English as their first language ( in Wales?) Italians flouting government subsidies to steel producer rules and WW2. And racism and racism.
    One thing that was calamitous for the EU in the UK was the British approach to rules that others are breaking.

    If the Italians were playing games with steel subsidies, do the same back.
    Totally agree. We have had endless examples of the French (say) ignoring rules that don't suit them while goody two shoes Britain obeys every last whim and requirement. Our own worst enemy, really.
    I remember an issue with Spain and airline subsidies - IIRC it was Kinnock Junior who said that it would be impossible to penalise the Spanish over it. It was their national carrier.

    The sensible approach is reciprocity combined with "when you stop, we will".
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,563
    Scott_xP said:
    Doesn't say what she's alleged to have said, though. How can we tell whether it's kosher or not?
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  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,707

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Meanwhile, in "some endorsements you probably don't want" news,

    Far-right activist Tommy Robinson has endorsed Reform UK’s by-election candidate, after Labour warned he represents “extreme” politics.

    Matt Goodwin - GB News presenter and former university academic - was unveiled as Reform UK’s candidate for the upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election earlier this week...


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-matt-goodwin-tommy-robinson-b2910833.html

    Kiss of Death and rightly so
    I don't see that at all. Hitler hasn't been the kiss of death for vegetarianism. People need to grow up and vote based on their own thought process, not sloppily follow 'vibes'.
    I don't know - I always think there is something odd about vegetarians - maybe the link with Hitler is why...

    More seriously, too often people on PB (notoriously centrist, mostly anti-Brexit, mostly very much anti Reform) have no concept of the great unwashed. My neighbour, a classic salt of the Earth carpet layer, came out with "Farage is right*" totally unprompted one weekend. A lot of people will vote for Reform and many of them will also think Tommeh Two Names has a point about that thing that cannot be discussed on PB.**

    *Paraphrase - cannot recall the exact discussion.

    ** No, not voting reform
    My neighbour is a retired market trader.

    He's stood (at council elections) for the Tories, Reform, UKIP and the English Democrats and was actually on the council for a number of years. He has ... views. And the odd flag.

    But then, I live in Donny, not Harrogate or Surrey. Brexit was not a surprise.

    Brexit surprised a lot of people who only knew Remainers, like a lot of my Uni colleagues.
    I knew none and I did ask. Later I did find one or two and I did ask. One was a reasonably popular model who had just asked if she could stay at my place in France. I asked her what she was thinking about and after a few minutes playing the dumb blond (she's brunette) she explained.
    I knew lots. My work base is Port Talbot which was Brexit Central. So what were the justifications? EU ripping us off, the French, Eastern Europeans taking our jobs, Eastern Europeans in the GP queue, Eastern European children not having English as their first language ( in Wales?) Italians flouting government subsidies to steel producer rules and WW2. And racism and racism.
    If your costs for enploying a nanny and a plumber amd a gardener were being kept nice and low, you voted to remain. If your wages for working in childcare or construction were being kept low you voted leave. It wasn't much more than that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,199

    Scott_xP said:
    Doesn't say what she's alleged to have said, though. How can we tell whether it's kosher or not?
    More details here:

    https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/revealed-green-party-candidates-holocaust-smear-against-angela-rayner/
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,456
    Has Trump invaded/bombed/nuked Iran yet? Here's a guy on YouTube talking about the options

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ7wE3XOwFU (17mins)
  • eekeek Posts: 32,428
    edited 3:31PM
    Scott_xP said:
    So basically her views are identically to a lot of other people

    Gaza was a genicide...

    Worth adding that yesterday Israel agreed that Hamas's figures of 72,000 dead was correct (80% of them Gaza civilians)
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,335
    edited 3:32PM
    #competition

    Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the House? +22
    Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the Senate? +3
    Number of MSPs won by the SNP at the Holyrood election? 70
    Number of AMs won by Plaid Cymru at the Senedd election? 37
    UK Party recording the largest poll lead during 2026 and by what percentage (British Polling Council registered pollsters only)? Ref +14
    Labour’s Projected National Share of the vote based on the 2026 local elections according to the BBC? 20
    Number of Reform MPs on the 31st December 2026? 10
    The name of the UK Prime Minister on 31st December 2026? Keir Starmer
    Will Andy Burnham will be an MP on 31st December 2026? No
    UK borrowing in the financial year to November 2026 (£132.3bn to November 2025)? 135
    UK GDP growth in the 12 months to October 2026 (1.1% to October 2025)? 1.3
    Winners of the 2026 FIFA Men’s World Cup? Brazil?

    Let's see if I can do better than =12 next time...
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,707
    Scott_xP said:
    Someone from the far left a little ambivalent about the Jews? Surely not. Can't imagine it will harm her core vote.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,505

    Scott_xP said:
    Doesn't say what she's alleged to have said, though. How can we tell whether it's kosher or not?
    Here I think:

    https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/revealed-green-party-candidates-holocaust-smear-against-angela-rayner/

  • eekeek Posts: 32,428
    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Someone from the far left a little ambivalent about the Jews? Surely not. Can't imagine it will harm her core vote.
    In a 30% muslim constituency, has the journalist actually thought through what she's saying - this white clearly English woman is on your side...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,171
    "Journalist Dan Hodges says Wes Streeting will likely be the first leadership challenger against the PM and may even move before the local elections."

    https://x.com/TalkTV/status/2017153486253666590
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    There's clearly a lot of really dull, Centrist Dads about in the world, @Leon

    The ratio of active daily users to total accounts is really not going well. And that's even before you take out the bots.

    Apparently they have ~30 employees. At some point BlueSky is going to need to work out how to earn enough to pay them and their hosting costs.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,403
    edited 3:41PM

    Scott_xP said:
    Doesn't say what she's alleged to have said, though. How can we tell whether it's kosher or not?
    Golly, retweeting what Green politicians have said on Palestine and agreeing with a good part of what the country thinks on the issue, well I never.

    The Maoist bicycle treatment incoming.
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    There's clearly a lot of really dull, Centrist Dads about in the world, @Leon

    I keep forgetting what a centrist is, or a centrist dad. Are they different, and what are their political thoughts. I am sure I am a centrist and that the great majority of UK voters are. Their preferred politics are competent, sensible and boring and allows a wide range of polities so long as they are kind, make for opportunity and are reasonably prosperity inducing, and they find it hard at the moment to find a party that is competent and sensible, though the boring bit is well supplied. Am I missing something?

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,563
    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Someone from the far left a little ambivalent about the Jews? Surely not. Can't imagine it will harm her core vote.
    @eek's post at 3.29 sets out the position.

    One can be 'horrified' at the Holocaust and 'critical' of the IDF actions in Gaza at the same time. And indeed of Israeli settlers actions in the West Bank. And Hamas actions on Oct 7th.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,264
    Enjoying ICE v Texans. "You're violating the 4th and I'm about to employ the 2nd".
  • Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Meanwhile, in "some endorsements you probably don't want" news,

    Far-right activist Tommy Robinson has endorsed Reform UK’s by-election candidate, after Labour warned he represents “extreme” politics.

    Matt Goodwin - GB News presenter and former university academic - was unveiled as Reform UK’s candidate for the upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election earlier this week...


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-matt-goodwin-tommy-robinson-b2910833.html

    Kiss of Death and rightly so
    I don't see that at all. Hitler hasn't been the kiss of death for vegetarianism. People need to grow up and vote based on their own thought process, not sloppily follow 'vibes'.
    I don't know - I always think there is something odd about vegetarians - maybe the link with Hitler is why...

    More seriously, too often people on PB (notoriously centrist, mostly anti-Brexit, mostly very much anti Reform) have no concept of the great unwashed. My neighbour, a classic salt of the Earth carpet layer, came out with "Farage is right*" totally unprompted one weekend. A lot of people will vote for Reform and many of them will also think Tommeh Two Names has a point about that thing that cannot be discussed on PB.**

    *Paraphrase - cannot recall the exact discussion.

    ** No, not voting reform
    My neighbour is a retired market trader.

    He's stood (at council elections) for the Tories, Reform, UKIP and the English Democrats and was actually on the council for a number of years. He has ... views. And the odd flag.

    But then, I live in Donny, not Harrogate or Surrey. Brexit was not a surprise.

    Brexit surprised a lot of people who only knew Remainers, like a lot of my Uni colleagues.
    I knew none and I did ask. Later I did find one or two and I did ask. One was a reasonably popular model who had just asked if she could stay at my place in France. I asked her what she was thinking about and after a few minutes playing the dumb blond (she's brunette) she explained.
    I knew lots. My work base is Port Talbot which was Brexit Central. So what were the justifications? EU ripping us off, the French, Eastern Europeans taking our jobs, Eastern Europeans in the GP queue, Eastern European children not having English as their first language ( in Wales?) Italians flouting government subsidies to steel producer rules and WW2. And racism and racism.
    I had expected Brexit to lose until late March. Then I did my first day of canvassing for Local Elections in Garsdale of all places. I had the candidate briefed not to mention the referendum, he was standing for District not Europe. Well, every farm we landed at, they came out to talk to us and they told us at great length how they were voting Leave. At the end of the day a sub-agent asked me how we had got along with the new candidate. I remember saying he was very able, wouldn't be elected, he wasn't and that the UK would be voting to leave the EU. Disbelief !

    There was a lot to learn from that experience. The Lib Dems who supposedly canvas every hour never cottoned on that Westmorland and Lonsdale was going to vote leave. Yet it was obvious. Now I know farmers are endlessly polite so perhaps they didn't tell the LDs what they were going to do. Yet, I made a point of NOT saying anything about Brexit - to the point that one of my best school friends thought I would be voting remain.

    The only lasting consequence Farron almost lost the 2017 GE. Yet he has recovered.

    If bizarrely someone decided to have another referendum on the same project then the vote would be much more decisively leave now than it was ten years ago.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,875
    algarkirk said:


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    There's clearly a lot of really dull, Centrist Dads about in the world, @Leon

    I keep forgetting what a centrist is, or a centrist dad. Are they different, and what are their political thoughts. I am sure I am a centrist and that the great majority of UK voters are. Their preferred politics are competent, sensible and boring and allows a wide range of polities so long as they are kind, make for opportunity and are reasonably prosperity inducing, and they find it hard at the moment to find a party that is competent and sensible, though the boring bit is well supplied. Am I missing something?
    It just means not enamoured of Farage or Polanski.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,680
    algarkirk said:


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    There's clearly a lot of really dull, Centrist Dads about in the world, @Leon

    I keep forgetting what a centrist is, or a centrist dad. Are they different, and what are their political thoughts. I am sure I am a centrist and that the great majority of UK voters are. Their preferred politics are competent, sensible and boring and allows a wide range of polities so long as they are kind, make for opportunity and are reasonably prosperity inducing, and they find it hard at the moment to find a party that is competent and sensible, though the boring bit is well supplied. Am I missing something?

    Yeah, the desire of bored lonely nihilists to "own the libs".
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,365
    viewcode said:

    Has Trump invaded/bombed/nuked Iran yet? Here's a guy on YouTube talking about the options

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ7wE3XOwFU (17mins)

    You'll have to wait until Maxwell is interviewed in early Feb. Flood the zone etc ..
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,875
    edited 3:50PM
    Luckily, it doesn't look like this guy is going to get the big Fed job.


    Aaron Rupar
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    HASSETT: We have a list of the groundbreakings. It's really quite striking

    FABER: Manufacturing job numbers are actually down

    HASSETT: That's in part because people haven't turned the machines on yet

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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,544
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    So who keeps hammering us at Cricket?
    It's a very well organised conspiracy.

    But really - are you going to believe in a continent where dumping criminals results in an affluent social democracy? With a national animal that is a mammal that lays eggs, has a duck bill and poisonous thumbs? Black swans??

    Who made this shit up?
    Presumably the Koalas. It seems to be all that they are good at.
    You believe what Drop Bears tell you?
    I’ve seen drop bears in the wild. In fact I’ve seen them drop. Tree dwelling kangaroos

    I’ve also seen koalas, wombats, enormous salties, cassowaries, dingos, multiple platypi and the Ruffous Bettong
    "Have you ever fired your gun in the air and gone 'Argh!'?"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,544

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Someone from the far left a little ambivalent about the Jews? Surely not. Can't imagine it will harm her core vote.
    @eek's post at 3.29 sets out the position.

    One can be 'horrified' at the Holocaust and 'critical' of the IDF actions in Gaza at the same time. And indeed of Israeli settlers actions in the West Bank. And Hamas actions on Oct 7th.
    If only the Arabs had accepted the Two-State Solution back in 1948!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,986
    Andy_JS said:

    "Journalist Dan Hodges says Wes Streeting will likely be the first leadership challenger against the PM and may even move before the local elections."

    https://x.com/TalkTV/status/2017153486253666590

    I read this morning that since the mood in the US has shifted against Israel particularly amongst MAGA who see them using the US as their financiers they are now campaigning to boycott all candidates who are personally getting funnding from AIPAC. If the sentiment shifts to the UK and Labour'friends of israel' get fingered that's Streeting out of the piicture
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,544

    Certainly not bohemian and nothing to rhapsodise about, that's for sure.
    It's a Hard Life.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,311
    Leon said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Or that UFOs are real and AIs are conscious?
    Of all days to make these remarks. Jeez you’re a dumb f*ck
    Are you saying that Starmer is an AI robot or an alien?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,298

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Those are slackers.

    Real Men (TM) disbelieve in the tough stuff - the Australia Fake Continent conspiracy, for example.
    So who keeps hammering us at Cricket?
    It's a very well organised conspiracy.

    But really - are you going to believe in a continent where dumping criminals results in an affluent social democracy? With a national animal that is a mammal that lays eggs, has a duck bill and poisonous thumbs? Black swans??

    Who made this shit up?
    Presumably the Koalas. It seems to be all that they are good at.
    You believe what Drop Bears tell you?
    I’ve seen drop bears in the wild. In fact I’ve seen them drop. Tree dwelling kangaroos

    I’ve also seen koalas, wombats, enormous salties, cassowaries, dingos, multiple platypi and the Ruffous Bettong
    "Have you ever fired your gun in the air and gone 'Argh!'?"
    "... for me, it was Tuesday."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,298

    Leon said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Or that UFOs are real and AIs are conscious?
    Of all days to make these remarks. Jeez you’re a dumb f*ck
    Are you saying that Starmer is an AI robot or an alien?
    Is this the Trans Gay Illegal Immigrant Alien AIs, again?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,713

    Leon said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Or that UFOs are real and AIs are conscious?
    Of all days to make these remarks. Jeez you’re a dumb f*ck
    Are you saying that Starmer is an AI robot or an alien?
    I think he would be more interesting if he were either!

    I find it amusing that some people on X believe that a LLM is actually sentient. #mechanicalturk for our times.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,456

    Leon said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Or that UFOs are real and AIs are conscious?
    Of all days to make these remarks. Jeez you’re a dumb f*ck
    Are you saying that Starmer is an AI robot or an alien?...
    ...and if not, why not?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,298
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Or that UFOs are real and AIs are conscious?
    Of all days to make these remarks. Jeez you’re a dumb f*ck
    Are you saying that Starmer is an AI robot or an alien?...
    ...and if not, why not?
    Automatonophobes are everywhere....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,171
    According to this post, there are 3,860 Green Party members in Manchester and Tameside combined.

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/post/1707330/thread
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,986

    Scott_xP said:
    Doesn't say what she's alleged to have said, though. How can we tell whether it's kosher or not?
    Golly, retweeting what Green politicians have said on Palestine and agreeing with a good part of what the country thinks on the issue, well I never.

    The Maoist bicycle treatment incoming.
    She's reported to have said "Never again but still selling arms to Israel" That wouldn't even get you expelled from your local Synagogue!


    Well said. A vote winner most places I'd have thought
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,520

    Certainly not bohemian and nothing to rhapsodise about, that's for sure.
    But he'll miss out on all those fat-bottomed girls...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,389
    eek said:

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Someone from the far left a little ambivalent about the Jews? Surely not. Can't imagine it will harm her core vote.
    In a 30% muslim constituency, has the journalist actually thought through what she's saying - this white clearly English woman is on your side...
    The constant whataboutism is unpleasant, but is unlikely to put off voters in such a constituency
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,544

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    How many believe in God?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,171
    edited 4:25PM
    One has to agree with EasyJet on this, for the simple reason that most planes don't have enough room for everyone to bring a small suitcase into the cabin.

    https://news.sky.com/story/money-live-personal-finance-consumer-sky-news-latest-13040934

    "EasyJet hits out at EU's free cabin bag plan

    An EU plan to make airlines offer passengers free cabin bags is a "lunatic idea", according to easyJet's chief executive. Kenton Jarvis warned the policy could cause fares to rise and spark flight delays. The bloc's parliament voted last week to give all passengers the right to carry on a small case, as well as the free under-seat bags that are currently allowed. The proposal will now be sent to the European Council. "There just isn't the space in the cabin, so that's another lunatic idea," Jarvis was quoted as saying by The Guardian."
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,974
    What a contrast for Sam Curran in this innings.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,456

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    YouGov has 24% of the British public with favourable views of Tommy Robinson. I think it is reasonable to suppose that those 24% are more likely to vote Reform UK than other parties.

    Yes, and how many of the 24% believe the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon?
    Or that UFOs are real and AIs are conscious?
    Of all days to make these remarks. Jeez you’re a dumb f*ck
    Are you saying that Starmer is an AI robot or an alien?...
    ...and if not, why not?
    Automatonophobes are everywhere....
    The Dr Who serial "The Robots Of Death" used the word "Robophobia". Have a guess what's it about.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,091
    Andy_JS said:

    One has to agree with EasyJet on this, for the simple reason that most planes don't have enough room for everyone to bring a small suitcase into the cabin.

    https://news.sky.com/story/money-live-personal-finance-consumer-sky-news-latest-13040934

    "EasyJet hits out at EU's free cabin bag plan

    An EU plan to make airlines offer passengers free cabin bags is a "lunatic idea", according to easyJet's chief executive. Kenton Jarvis warned the policy could cause fares to rise and spark flight delays. The bloc's parliament voted last week to give all passengers the right to carry on a small case, as well as the free under-seat bags that are currently allowed. The proposal will now be sent to the European Council. "There just isn't the space in the cabin, so that's another lunatic idea," Jarvis was quoted as saying by The Guardian."

    If we were still in the EU, our MEPs could have voted against it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,974

    NEW THREAD

  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,986
    edited 4:40PM

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Meanwhile, in "some endorsements you probably don't want" news,

    Far-right activist Tommy Robinson has endorsed Reform UK’s by-election candidate, after Labour warned he represents “extreme” politics.

    Matt Goodwin - GB News presenter and former university academic - was unveiled as Reform UK’s candidate for the upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election earlier this week...


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-matt-goodwin-tommy-robinson-b2910833.html

    Kiss of Death and rightly so
    I don't see that at all. Hitler hasn't been the kiss of death for vegetarianism. People need to grow up and vote based on their own thought process, not sloppily follow 'vibes'.
    I don't know - I always think there is something odd about vegetarians - maybe the link with Hitler is why...

    More seriously, too often people on PB (notoriously centrist, mostly anti-Brexit, mostly very much anti Reform) have no concept of the great unwashed. My neighbour, a classic salt of the Earth carpet layer, came out with "Farage is right*" totally unprompted one weekend. A lot of people will vote for Reform and many of them will also think Tommeh Two Names has a point about that thing that cannot be discussed on PB.**

    *Paraphrase - cannot recall the exact discussion.

    ** No, not voting reform
    My neighbour is a retired market trader.

    He's stood (at council elections) for the Tories, Reform, UKIP and the English Democrats and was actually on the council for a number of years. He has ... views. And the odd flag.

    But then, I live in Donny, not Harrogate or Surrey. Brexit was not a surprise.

    Brexit surprised a lot of people who only knew Remainers, like a lot of my Uni colleagues.
    I knew none and I did ask. Later I did find one or two and I did ask. One was a reasonably popular model who had just asked if she could stay at my place in France. I asked her what she was thinking about and after a few minutes playing the dumb blond (she's brunette) she explained.
    I knew lots. My work base is Port Talbot which was Brexit Central. So what were the justifications? EU ripping us off, the French, Eastern Europeans taking our jobs, Eastern Europeans in the GP queue, Eastern European children not having English as their first language ( in Wales?) Italians flouting government subsidies to steel producer rules and WW2. And racism and racism.
    I had expected Brexit to lose until late March. Then I did my first day of canvassing for Local Elections in Garsdale of all places. I had the candidate briefed not to mention the referendum, he was standing for District not Europe. Well, every farm we landed at, they came out to talk to us and they told us at great length how they were voting Leave. At the end of the day a sub-agent asked me how we had got along with the new candidate. I remember saying he was very able, wouldn't be elected, he wasn't and that the UK would be voting to leave the EU. Disbelief !

    There was a lot to learn from that experience. The Lib Dems who supposedly canvas every hour never cottoned on that Westmorland and Lonsdale was going to vote leave. Yet it was obvious. Now I know farmers are endlessly polite so perhaps they didn't tell the LDs what they were going to do. Yet, I made a point of NOT saying anything about Brexit - to the point that one of my best school friends thought I would be voting remain.

    The only lasting consequence Farron almost lost the 2017 GE. Yet he has recovered.

    If bizarrely someone decided to have another referendum on the same project then the vote would be much more decisively leave now than it was ten years ago.
    I remember a Cumbrian farmer saying things have been absolutely terrible since Brexit and at the end of the interview Adam asked him how he voted and he said 'I voted for Brexit. We all did"
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,835

    NEW THREAD

    Yep. The gang has long since stopped playing with this header, and descended into the parochial stream of goofy ahh.

    As it’s a Friday I think they’ve started early.
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    There's clearly a lot of really dull, Centrist Dads about in the world, @Leon

    Literally no one uses Bluesky apart from a tiny tiny hardcore of wanker weirdos, now

    Some lefties recently stormed off X coz of some Grok horror. It was very noticeable how they didn’t say “I’m going to Bluesky” - indeed several explicitly said “I won’t be on Bluesky, either, it’s dead”. Which it is
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