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Scots still want to remain in the Union but look set to re-elect the SNP – politicalbetting.com

YouGov's first voting intention poll for the 2026 Scottish Parliament election shows clear leads for the SNP, with Reform UK now in second placeConstituency voteSNP: 34% (-14 from 2021 election)Ref: 20% (New)Lab: 15% (-7)Con: 10% (-12)LD: 10% (+3)Grn: 9% (+8)yougov.co.uk/politics/art…

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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,531
    First like the SNP?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,961
    edited January 29
    FPT
    MarqueeMark said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Not interested in party politics at the moment. More needs to be shaken out.

    Big News! At yesterday's earnings call Tesla announced their plans to stop building cars. Model S and X and Cybertruck are all dead with their production lines repurposed for robots and taxis. No further cars will be built which you can drive. So once the Model 3 and Y get old, that's the end.

    Madness standing on the shoulders of madness on stilts. Oh, the Robototron production line is to build 1m units next year. As there is no global market for these, expect them to be bought by the US government and used for herd culling of the population.

    Goddamnit, I wanted a Cybertruck, it was perfect for me.
    You can't drive them in the UK (or Europe?).

    Do you really want to go to the States to be able to drive it?
    I would have been able to drive it in the UK, I would have found a loophole.
    Good luck, Mr Lawyer Man...

    "you cannot legally buy or register a Tesla Cybertruck for UK roads because its design, particularly the sharp angles and upright front, fails strict European and UK pedestrian safety regulations, making it illegal to drive and leading to seizures of illegally imported models.

    While some individuals have imported them (often on foreign plates) and faced seizure, Tesla has not made it road-legal for the UK or Europe due to significant redesigns needed to meet standards, and official sales are not planned.

    Why it's illegal in the UK:
    Pedestrian Safety: The Cybertruck's angular, hard front doesn't meet regulations designed to protect pedestrians in a collision, requiring softer, less upright designs, says Carwow and This is Money.

    Lighting & Size: The full-width light bar and overall large size also conflict with UK lighting and road dimension rules, notes Forbes.
    Type Approval: Tesla hasn't invested in the costly process of re-engineering the vehicle to pass UK/EU type approval, according to Carwow.

    What this means for buyers:
    No Official Sales: You cannot order one from Tesla in the UK, report Carwow and This is Money.

    Import Risks: Attempting to import one privately often results in it being seized by police, as happened in Greater Manchester in early 2025, according to the BBC and The Independent.

    In short, the Cybertruck is currently a no-go for UK roads."

    What utter woke nonsense, my human right to drive my vehicle of choice trumps the safety of others.

    Fun fact, today I learned that WOKE stands for ‘Whatever Offends Klansmen Easiest’
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,854
    Have we done Centrist Dad Despair yet?



    Find Out Now
    @FindoutnowUK

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 29% (-3)
    🟢 Greens: 19% (+2)
    🔴 Labour: 17% (+3)
    🔵 Conservatives: 17% (-1)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 11% (-)

    Changes from 21st January
    [Find Out Now, 28th January, N=3,282]

    https://x.com/FindoutnowUK/status/2016898793766060450
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,169
    edited January 29
    Interesting polling

    I think Scotland and Wales with have SNP and Plaid first ministers but Independence will not feature to any great extent, so no need for @HYUFD tanks

    Also Kemi is above Farage and Starmer in approval in Scotland which is surprising
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,552
    edited January 29
    Given the Scots electoral system it will be interesting to see where Reform second preferences go; whether they'll pick up any, and, if so, from where.

    Same, of course, applies in Wales.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,356
    OldKingCole said:

    Given the Scots electoral system it will be interesting to see where Reform second preferences go; whether they'll pick up and, if so, from where.

    Same, of course, applies in Wales.

    If would be useful for Holyrood to have a few Reform MSP as a sort of 'try before you buy' in 2029. Will Scotland be 'taking one' for the team? Or will Reform's policies be more nuanced/nuisanced.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,385
    rottenborough said:

    Have we done Centrist Dad Despair yet?



    Find Out Now
    @FindoutnowUK

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 29% (-3)
    🟢 Greens: 19% (+2)
    🔴 Labour: 17% (+3)
    🔵 Conservatives: 17% (-1)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 11% (-)

    Changes from 21st January
    [Find Out Now, 28th January, N=3,282]

    https://x.com/FindoutnowUK/status/2016898793766060450

    On the basis that events take a few days to filter through to polling, that is Trump's antics, hurting right wing parties generally. MIC show right wing support dropping from 50 to 48%, F O N has 50 to 46%.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,425
    edited January 29
    Although SNP support has fallen since 2021, none of the other parties inspire. Perhaps if any of them had positive policies, instead of just parroting SNP BAD, they might pick up support. Also, for all their faults, the SNP are seen as standing up for Scotland, whereas the unionist parties are seen as running down Scotland (and Scots). I wonder whether Devo Max would be a popular policy if supported by, e.g. the Lib Dems?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,425
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Interesting polling

    I think Scotland and Wales with have SNP and Plaid first ministers but Independence will not feature to any great extent, so no need for @HYUFD tanks

    Also Kemi is above Farage and Starmer in approval in Scotland which is surprising

    Not really surprising. Scots despise Farage and Starmer as much as everyone else, and don’t know enough about Badenoch to have a strong opinion about her.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,702
    Fairliered said:

    Although SNP support has fallen since 2021, none of the other parties inspire. Perhaps if any of them had positive policies, instead of just parroting SNP BAD, they might pick up support. Also, for all their faults, they are seen as standing up for Scotland, whereas the unionist parties are seen as running down Scotland (and Scots). I wonder whether Devo Max would be a popular policy if supported by, e.g. the Lib Dems?

    It might just be me but most parties right now seem to of the 'its all terrible and its all X's fault'. Where is the optimistic party?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,425
    OldKingCole said:

    Given the Scots electoral system it will be interesting to see where Reform second preferences go; whether they'll pick up any, and, if so, from where.

    Same, of course, applies in Wales.

    Based on local government elections, Reform voters are less likely to use their second preferences, and receive fewer second preferences, than the other parties.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,961
    Sean_F said:

    rottenborough said:

    Have we done Centrist Dad Despair yet?



    Find Out Now
    @FindoutnowUK

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 29% (-3)
    🟢 Greens: 19% (+2)
    🔴 Labour: 17% (+3)
    🔵 Conservatives: 17% (-1)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 11% (-)

    Changes from 21st January
    [Find Out Now, 28th January, N=3,282]

    https://x.com/FindoutnowUK/status/2016898793766060450

    On the basis that events take a few days to filter through to polling, that is Trump's antics, hurting right wing parties generally. MIC show right wing support dropping from 50 to 48%, F O N has 50 to 46%.
    I spoke to a pollster about this earlier on today, the problem isn’t Trump’s antics, it’s Farage not condemning them quickly and wholeheartedly, the voters have praised Starmer and Badenoch for saying Trump is talking shite.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,689
    Here on the coast it would appear to be a close contest between a dull SNP MSP or some refukker.

    Stopping Reform is a higher priority than detesting the SNP - and its not as if independence is remotely a threat any more.

    Unless something changes my mind, I'm going to vote SNP on the constituency ballot...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,448
    FPT
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Not interested in party politics at the moment. More needs to be shaken out.

    Big News! At yesterday's earnings call Tesla announced their plans to stop building cars. Model S and X and Cybertruck are all dead with their production lines repurposed for robots and taxis. No further cars will be built which you can drive. So once the Model 3 and Y get old, that's the end.

    Madness standing on the shoulders of madness on stilts. Oh, the Robototron production line is to build 1m units next year. As there is no global market for these, expect them to be bought by the US government and used for herd culling of the population.

    Is that a true-truth? I'm not a big fan of Elon (I know: surprise!) but even by his standard this is f*****g stupid. Tesla is a hundred-billion dollar company. Are the board so in thrall to Elon that they are willing to destroy the company for one man's stupidity?

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,854
    edited January 29
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    rottenborough said:

    Have we done Centrist Dad Despair yet?



    Find Out Now
    @FindoutnowUK

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 29% (-3)
    🟢 Greens: 19% (+2)
    🔴 Labour: 17% (+3)
    🔵 Conservatives: 17% (-1)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 11% (-)

    Changes from 21st January
    [Find Out Now, 28th January, N=3,282]

    https://x.com/FindoutnowUK/status/2016898793766060450

    On the basis that events take a few days to filter through to polling, that is Trump's antics, hurting right wing parties generally. MIC show right wing support dropping from 50 to 48%, F O N has 50 to 46%.
    I spoke to a pollster about this earlier on today, the problem isn’t Trump’s antics, it’s Farage not condemning them quickly and wholeheartedly, the voters have praised Starmer and Badenoch for saying Trump is talking shite.
    Well, there's no way he can do it wholeheartedly because his heart is in the Oval Office standing next to Trump fawning like a love sick Swiftie.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,552
    Essex County Council elections are going ahead in May. Could be good for Reform, but.....
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,302
    Tories have a chance of finishing 6th on vote share. Kemi's relaunch having an impact.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,212
    OldKingCole said:

    Given the Scots electoral system it will be interesting to see where Reform second preferences go; whether they'll pick up any, and, if so, from where.

    Same, of course, applies in Wales.

    We only have one vote in Wales. It's a purely pr vote using the dhont statement. At least it will be a positive vote.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,396
    I think the split by Yes and No voters is most interesting. Lab and Con are completely toxic to Yes voters. LD do OK: fair enough, LD believe in federalism, devo-max, not too incompatible.

    But Reform, an ardently unionist party, get 16% with Yes voters. What's going on there? Are these people who just want radical change, and maybe the flavour doesn't matter? "Burn it down!" stuff?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,302
    OldKingCole said:

    Given the Scots electoral system it will be interesting to see where Reform second preferences go; whether they'll pick up any, and, if so, from where.

    Same, of course, applies in Wales.

    You don't get a second preference under d'Hondt.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,531
    SandyRentool said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Given the Scots electoral system it will be interesting to see where Reform second preferences go; whether they'll pick up any, and, if so, from where.

    Same, of course, applies in Wales.

    You don't get a second preference under d'Hondt.
    You mean you d'Hondt? How disappointing!
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,212
    SandyRentool said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Given the Scots electoral system it will be interesting to see where Reform second preferences go; whether they'll pick up any, and, if so, from where.

    Same, of course, applies in Wales.

    You don't get a second preference under d'Hondt.
    Just a positive vote.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,531
    rottenborough said:

    Have we done Centrist Dad Despair yet?



    Find Out Now
    @FindoutnowUK

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 29% (-3)
    🟢 Greens: 19% (+2)
    🔴 Labour: 17% (+3)
    🔵 Conservatives: 17% (-1)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 11% (-)

    Changes from 21st January
    [Find Out Now, 28th January, N=3,282]

    https://x.com/FindoutnowUK/status/2016898793766060450

    Find OUTLIERS Now!

    Anyway, broken, sleazy Reform and Tories on the slide!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,302
    Far too many people don't understand the Scottish voting system.

    Giving your second preference to SNP in a region where they'll win all of the constituency seats is just a wasted vote. They should be voting for "I Can't Believe It's Not the SNP" to get more pro-independence members into parliament.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,784
    FPT
    Sandpit said:

    » show previous quotes
    Well I’m currently sitting in a pub in a Muslim country, pint in hand…

    Next year the first casino opens here. https://wynnalmarjanisland.com/

    how many muslims sitting drinking with you
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,854
    The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services rebounded to $56.8 billion in November, rising 95 percent from the previous month as President Trump’s tariffs continued to cause huge fluctuations in trade, according to data from the Commerce Department released on Thursday.

    NY Times
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,302
    Daveyboy1961 said:

    SandyRentool said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Given the Scots electoral system it will be interesting to see where Reform second preferences go; whether they'll pick up any, and, if so, from where.

    Same, of course, applies in Wales.

    You don't get a second preference under d'Hondt.
    Just a positive vote.

    Unless you are certain that your preferred party will fall well below the threshold for a seat, in which case a negative vote would still be an option.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,784
    Fairliered said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Interesting polling

    I think Scotland and Wales with have SNP and Plaid first ministers but Independence will not feature to any great extent, so no need for @HYUFD tanks

    Also Kemi is above Farage and Starmer in approval in Scotland which is surprising

    Not really surprising. Scots despise Farage and Starmer as much as everyone else, and don’t know enough about Badenoch to have a strong opinion about her.
    Fact she is a Tory is more than enough, all three are carpet baggers
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,302
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    rottenborough said:

    Have we done Centrist Dad Despair yet?



    Find Out Now
    @FindoutnowUK

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 29% (-3)
    🟢 Greens: 19% (+2)
    🔴 Labour: 17% (+3)
    🔵 Conservatives: 17% (-1)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 11% (-)

    Changes from 21st January
    [Find Out Now, 28th January, N=3,282]

    https://x.com/FindoutnowUK/status/2016898793766060450

    Find OUTLIERS Now!

    Anyway, broken, sleazy Reform and Tories on the slide!
    FON does not stand for Fiddled Our Numbers.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,212
    SandyRentool said:

    Far too many people don't understand the Scottish voting system.

    Giving your second preference to SNP in a region where they'll win all of the constituency seats is just a wasted vote. They should be voting for "I Can't Believe It's Not the SNP" to get more pro-independence members into parliament.

    Usually the second vote was given to the greens, hence their 50% majority lady time
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,784
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Interesting polling

    I think Scotland and Wales with have SNP and Plaid first ministers but Independence will not feature to any great extent, so no need for @HYUFD tanks

    Also Kemi is above Farage and Starmer in approval in Scotland which is surprising

    Who knows, people can only be held captive for so long
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,212
    Daveyboy1961 said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Far too many people don't understand the Scottish voting system.

    Giving your second preference to SNP in a region where they'll win all of the constituency seats is just a wasted vote. They should be voting for "I Can't Believe It's Not the SNP" to get more pro-independence members into parliament.

    Usually the second vote was given to the greens, hence their 50% majority lady time
    Also the greens didn't stand in the constituency, so didn't split the indy vote

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,784
    Fairliered said:

    Although SNP support has fallen since 2021, none of the other parties inspire. Perhaps if any of them had positive policies, instead of just parroting SNP BAD, they might pick up support. Also, for all their faults, the SNP are seen as standing up for Scotland, whereas the unionist parties are seen as running down Scotland (and Scots). I wonder whether Devo Max would be a popular policy if supported by, e.g. the Lib Dems?

    Red we are like Venezuala except with a tool rather than a tangerine running the show
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,689
    viewcode said:

    FPT

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Not interested in party politics at the moment. More needs to be shaken out.

    Big News! At yesterday's earnings call Tesla announced their plans to stop building cars. Model S and X and Cybertruck are all dead with their production lines repurposed for robots and taxis. No further cars will be built which you can drive. So once the Model 3 and Y get old, that's the end.

    Madness standing on the shoulders of madness on stilts. Oh, the Robototron production line is to build 1m units next year. As there is no global market for these, expect them to be bought by the US government and used for herd culling of the population.

    Is that a true-truth? I'm not a big fan of Elon (I know: surprise!) but even by his standard this is f*****g stupid. Tesla is a hundred-billion dollar company. Are the board so in thrall to Elon that they are willing to destroy the company for one man's stupidity?

    1. Model S and X production ends shortly. Sales are down to a trickle anyway. Production space at the Fremont factory to be repurposed to build Optimus
    2. Cybertruck production line to be repurposed to build autonomous vehicles. No timeline given or what those are but it won't be the truck that nobody buys
    3. Roadster announced with a reveal in April. Its been announced as launching this year every year since 2020
    4. Elon said that with the exception of the roadster, Tesla will not bring to the market any vehicles which are not fully autonomous
    5. They further project that the bulk of all future sales will be the cybercab

    He/they are mad. Sales are in Year on Year on Year decline. Accelerating hard. Sales of tax credits down nearly 50% YonY. They need profitable sales (vehicles are 75% of revenue to pay for capex and research. Capex this year more than doubles to $20bn. Hasn't said what they're spending it on. Won't be cars.

    So no new models ever again. Its done.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,897
    Picking up on attractive brick buildings, I quite like the new Lambeth Palace Library - but I have yet to manage to visit.

    They chose an architectural who have done several Oxbridge university libraries. I had not realised that they have 120k volumes there.

    https://www.wrightandwright.co.uk/projects/lambeth-palace-library-and-archive#images
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,158
    If you want attractive brick buildings, Birmingham is the best place for you.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,413
    RochdalePioneers said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Not interested in party politics at the moment. More needs to be shaken out.

    Big News! At yesterday's earnings call Tesla announced their plans to stop building cars. Model S and X and Cybertruck are all dead with their production lines repurposed for robots and taxis. No further cars will be built which you can drive. So once the Model 3 and Y get old, that's the end.

    Madness standing on the shoulders of madness on stilts. Oh, the Robototron production line is to build 1m units next year. As there is no global market for these, expect them to be bought by the US government and used for herd culling of the population.

    Is that a true-truth? I'm not a big fan of Elon (I know: surprise!) but even by his standard this is f*****g stupid. Tesla is a hundred-billion dollar company. Are the board so in thrall to Elon that they are willing to destroy the company for one man's stupidity?

    1. Model S and X production ends shortly. Sales are down to a trickle anyway. Production space at the Fremont factory to be repurposed to build Optimus
    2. Cybertruck production line to be repurposed to build autonomous vehicles. No timeline given or what those are but it won't be the truck that nobody buys
    3. Roadster announced with a reveal in April. Its been announced as launching this year every year since 2020
    4. Elon said that with the exception of the roadster, Tesla will not bring to the market any vehicles which are not fully autonomous
    5. They further project that the bulk of all future sales will be the cybercab

    He/they are mad. Sales are in Year on Year on Year decline. Accelerating hard. Sales of tax credits down nearly 50% YonY. They need profitable sales (vehicles are 75% of revenue to pay for capex and research. Capex this year more than doubles to $20bn. Hasn't said what they're spending it on. Won't be cars.

    So no new models ever again. Its done.
    So future sales will be a vehicle that still doesn't exist / work - the cybercab..

    I will believe it when one is driving round central London without a human helper..
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,784
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Here on the coast it would appear to be a close contest between a dull SNP MSP or some refukker.

    Stopping Reform is a higher priority than detesting the SNP - and its not as if independence is remotely a threat any more.

    Unless something changes my mind, I'm going to vote SNP on the constituency ballot...

    If sensible Farage should say as soon as they are in power they would have independence referendum, get them at worst lots of list votes in Scotland and lots of votes in England where they mistakenly think they subsidise us.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,552
    Daveyboy1961 said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Given the Scots electoral system it will be interesting to see where Reform second preferences go; whether they'll pick up any, and, if so, from where.

    Same, of course, applies in Wales.

    We only have one vote in Wales. It's a purely pr vote using the dhont statement. At least it will be a positive vote.
    Noted. Thanks.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,212
    SandyRentool said:

    Daveyboy1961 said:

    SandyRentool said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Given the Scots electoral system it will be interesting to see where Reform second preferences go; whether they'll pick up any, and, if so, from where.

    Same, of course, applies in Wales.

    You don't get a second preference under d'Hondt.
    Just a positive vote.

    Unless you are certain that your preferred party will fall well below the threshold for a seat, in which case a negative vote would still be an option.
    True.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,552
    malcolmg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Interesting polling

    I think Scotland and Wales with have SNP and Plaid first ministers but Independence will not feature to any great extent, so no need for @HYUFD tanks

    Also Kemi is above Farage and Starmer in approval in Scotland which is surprising

    Who knows, people can only be held captive for so long
    It's been a hell of a long time for Cymru/Wales.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,425
    RochdalePioneers said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Not interested in party politics at the moment. More needs to be shaken out.

    Big News! At yesterday's earnings call Tesla announced their plans to stop building cars. Model S and X and Cybertruck are all dead with their production lines repurposed for robots and taxis. No further cars will be built which you can drive. So once the Model 3 and Y get old, that's the end.

    Madness standing on the shoulders of madness on stilts. Oh, the Robototron production line is to build 1m units next year. As there is no global market for these, expect them to be bought by the US government and used for herd culling of the population.

    Is that a true-truth? I'm not a big fan of Elon (I know: surprise!) but even by his standard this is f*****g stupid. Tesla is a hundred-billion dollar company. Are the board so in thrall to Elon that they are willing to destroy the company for one man's stupidity?

    1. Model S and X production ends shortly. Sales are down to a trickle anyway. Production space at the Fremont factory to be repurposed to build Optimus
    2. Cybertruck production line to be repurposed to build autonomous vehicles. No timeline given or what those are but it won't be the truck that nobody buys
    3. Roadster announced with a reveal in April. Its been announced as launching this year every year since 2020
    4. Elon said that with the exception of the roadster, Tesla will not bring to the market any vehicles which are not fully autonomous
    5. They further project that the bulk of all future sales will be the cybercab

    He/they are mad. Sales are in Year on Year on Year decline. Accelerating hard. Sales of tax credits down nearly 50% YonY. They need profitable sales (vehicles are 75% of revenue to pay for capex and research. Capex this year more than doubles to $20bn. Hasn't said what they're spending it on. Won't be cars.

    So no new models ever again. Its done.
    Are you going to rename your Youtube site Unabletobuyatesla?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,396
    OldKingCole said:

    malcolmg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Interesting polling

    I think Scotland and Wales with have SNP and Plaid first ministers but Independence will not feature to any great extent, so no need for @HYUFD tanks

    Also Kemi is above Farage and Starmer in approval in Scotland which is surprising

    Who knows, people can only be held captive for so long
    It's been a hell of a long time for Cymru/Wales.
    Wales was subjugated by the Normans, who had already subjugated England.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,697
    eek said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Not interested in party politics at the moment. More needs to be shaken out.

    Big News! At yesterday's earnings call Tesla announced their plans to stop building cars. Model S and X and Cybertruck are all dead with their production lines repurposed for robots and taxis. No further cars will be built which you can drive. So once the Model 3 and Y get old, that's the end.

    Madness standing on the shoulders of madness on stilts. Oh, the Robototron production line is to build 1m units next year. As there is no global market for these, expect them to be bought by the US government and used for herd culling of the population.

    Is that a true-truth? I'm not a big fan of Elon (I know: surprise!) but even by his standard this is f*****g stupid. Tesla is a hundred-billion dollar company. Are the board so in thrall to Elon that they are willing to destroy the company for one man's stupidity?

    1. Model S and X production ends shortly. Sales are down to a trickle anyway. Production space at the Fremont factory to be repurposed to build Optimus
    2. Cybertruck production line to be repurposed to build autonomous vehicles. No timeline given or what those are but it won't be the truck that nobody buys
    3. Roadster announced with a reveal in April. Its been announced as launching this year every year since 2020
    4. Elon said that with the exception of the roadster, Tesla will not bring to the market any vehicles which are not fully autonomous
    5. They further project that the bulk of all future sales will be the cybercab

    He/they are mad. Sales are in Year on Year on Year decline. Accelerating hard. Sales of tax credits down nearly 50% YonY. They need profitable sales (vehicles are 75% of revenue to pay for capex and research. Capex this year more than doubles to $20bn. Hasn't said what they're spending it on. Won't be cars.

    So no new models ever again. Its done.
    So future sales will be a vehicle that still doesn't exist / work - the cybercab..

    I will believe it when one is driving round central London without a human helper..
    So - just to clarify - Tesla are stopping making cars?
    That's like, well, Volkswagen stopping making cars.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,396
    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Not interested in party politics at the moment. More needs to be shaken out.

    Big News! At yesterday's earnings call Tesla announced their plans to stop building cars. Model S and X and Cybertruck are all dead with their production lines repurposed for robots and taxis. No further cars will be built which you can drive. So once the Model 3 and Y get old, that's the end.

    Madness standing on the shoulders of madness on stilts. Oh, the Robototron production line is to build 1m units next year. As there is no global market for these, expect them to be bought by the US government and used for herd culling of the population.

    Is that a true-truth? I'm not a big fan of Elon (I know: surprise!) but even by his standard this is f*****g stupid. Tesla is a hundred-billion dollar company. Are the board so in thrall to Elon that they are willing to destroy the company for one man's stupidity?

    1. Model S and X production ends shortly. Sales are down to a trickle anyway. Production space at the Fremont factory to be repurposed to build Optimus
    2. Cybertruck production line to be repurposed to build autonomous vehicles. No timeline given or what those are but it won't be the truck that nobody buys
    3. Roadster announced with a reveal in April. Its been announced as launching this year every year since 2020
    4. Elon said that with the exception of the roadster, Tesla will not bring to the market any vehicles which are not fully autonomous
    5. They further project that the bulk of all future sales will be the cybercab

    He/they are mad. Sales are in Year on Year on Year decline. Accelerating hard. Sales of tax credits down nearly 50% YonY. They need profitable sales (vehicles are 75% of revenue to pay for capex and research. Capex this year more than doubles to $20bn. Hasn't said what they're spending it on. Won't be cars.

    So no new models ever again. Its done.
    So future sales will be a vehicle that still doesn't exist / work - the cybercab..

    I will believe it when one is driving round central London without a human helper..
    So - just to clarify - Tesla are stopping making cars?
    That's like, well, Volkswagen stopping making cars.
    Volkswagen isn’t run by a ketamine addict is, I think, the important distinction.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,159
    Is the Iranian task force, heading to the US to stop them killing demonstrators in the street, getting close yet?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,677
    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    rottenborough said:

    Have we done Centrist Dad Despair yet?



    Find Out Now
    @FindoutnowUK

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 29% (-3)
    🟢 Greens: 19% (+2)
    🔴 Labour: 17% (+3)
    🔵 Conservatives: 17% (-1)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 11% (-)

    Changes from 21st January
    [Find Out Now, 28th January, N=3,282]

    https://x.com/FindoutnowUK/status/2016898793766060450

    On the basis that events take a few days to filter through to polling, that is Trump's antics, hurting right wing parties generally. MIC show right wing support dropping from 50 to 48%, F O N has 50 to 46%.
    I spoke to a pollster about this earlier on today, the problem isn’t Trump’s antics, it’s Farage not condemning them quickly and wholeheartedly, the voters have praised Starmer and Badenoch for saying Trump is talking shite.
    Well, there's no way he can do it wholeheartedly because his heart is in the Oval Office standing next to Trump fawning like a love sick Swiftie.
    As a Swiftie I object violently to your last sentence.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,693
    edited January 29
    MattW said:

    Picking up on attractive brick buildings, I quite like the new Lambeth Palace Library - but I have yet to manage to visit.

    They chose an architectural who have done several Oxbridge university libraries. I had not realised that they have 120k volumes there.

    https://www.wrightandwright.co.uk/projects/lambeth-palace-library-and-archive#images

    Talking of Oxbridge and brick, I hope everyone who passes through Oxford is a member of the "Destroy Keble" society.

    Yearly Membership: One red brick
    Life Membership: One purple brick
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,627
    Flatlander said:

    MattW said:

    Picking up on attractive brick buildings, I quite like the new Lambeth Palace Library - but I have yet to manage to visit.

    They chose an architectural who have done several Oxbridge university libraries. I had not realised that they have 120k volumes there.

    https://www.wrightandwright.co.uk/projects/lambeth-palace-library-and-archive#images

    Talking of Oxbridge and brick, I hope everyone who passes through Oxford is a member of the "Destroy Keble" society.

    Yearly Membership: One red brick
    Life Membership: One purple brick
    'The mighty hideousness of Keble College' as Martin Amis once put it.
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 964
    edited January 29
    RochdalePioneers said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Not interested in party politics at the moment. More needs to be shaken out.

    Big News! At yesterday's earnings call Tesla announced their plans to stop building cars. Model S and X and Cybertruck are all dead with their production lines repurposed for robots and taxis. No further cars will be built which you can drive. So once the Model 3 and Y get old, that's the end.

    Madness standing on the shoulders of madness on stilts. Oh, the Robototron production line is to build 1m units next year. As there is no global market for these, expect them to be bought by the US government and used for herd culling of the population.

    Is that a true-truth? I'm not a big fan of Elon (I know: surprise!) but even by his standard this is f*****g stupid. Tesla is a hundred-billion dollar company. Are the board so in thrall to Elon that they are willing to destroy the company for one man's stupidity?

    1. Model S and X production ends shortly. Sales are down to a trickle anyway. Production space at the Fremont factory to be repurposed to build Optimus
    2. Cybertruck production line to be repurposed to build autonomous vehicles. No timeline given or what those are but it won't be the truck that nobody buys
    3. Roadster announced with a reveal in April. Its been announced as launching this year every year since 2020
    4. Elon said that with the exception of the roadster, Tesla will not bring to the market any vehicles which are not fully autonomous
    5. They further project that the bulk of all future sales will be the cybercab

    He/they are mad. Sales are in Year on Year on Year decline. Accelerating hard. Sales of tax credits down nearly 50% YonY. They need profitable sales (vehicles are 75% of revenue to pay for capex and research. Capex this year more than doubles to $20bn. Hasn't said what they're spending it on. Won't be cars.

    So no new models ever again. Its done.
    Still, if the roadster ever does happen ima gettit. Performance that breaks either the laws of physics or the laws of the UK sounds good to me. 0-60 in one second is something I require.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,188
    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Not interested in party politics at the moment. More needs to be shaken out.

    Big News! At yesterday's earnings call Tesla announced their plans to stop building cars. Model S and X and Cybertruck are all dead with their production lines repurposed for robots and taxis. No further cars will be built which you can drive. So once the Model 3 and Y get old, that's the end.

    Madness standing on the shoulders of madness on stilts. Oh, the Robototron production line is to build 1m units next year. As there is no global market for these, expect them to be bought by the US government and used for herd culling of the population.

    Is that a true-truth? I'm not a big fan of Elon (I know: surprise!) but even by his standard this is f*****g stupid. Tesla is a hundred-billion dollar company. Are the board so in thrall to Elon that they are willing to destroy the company for one man's stupidity?

    1. Model S and X production ends shortly. Sales are down to a trickle anyway. Production space at the Fremont factory to be repurposed to build Optimus
    2. Cybertruck production line to be repurposed to build autonomous vehicles. No timeline given or what those are but it won't be the truck that nobody buys
    3. Roadster announced with a reveal in April. Its been announced as launching this year every year since 2020
    4. Elon said that with the exception of the roadster, Tesla will not bring to the market any vehicles which are not fully autonomous
    5. They further project that the bulk of all future sales will be the cybercab

    He/they are mad. Sales are in Year on Year on Year decline. Accelerating hard. Sales of tax credits down nearly 50% YonY. They need profitable sales (vehicles are 75% of revenue to pay for capex and research. Capex this year more than doubles to $20bn. Hasn't said what they're spending it on. Won't be cars.

    So no new models ever again. Its done.
    So future sales will be a vehicle that still doesn't exist / work - the cybercab..

    I will believe it when one is driving round central London without a human helper..
    So - just to clarify - Tesla are stopping making cars?
    That's like, well, Volkswagen stopping making cars.
    It's clever marketing to increase the scarcity value. The key line is, "If you're interested in buying a Model S and X, now would be the time to order it."
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,356
    MattW said:

    Picking up on attractive brick buildings, I quite like the new Lambeth Palace Library - but I have yet to manage to visit.

    They chose an architectural who have done several Oxbridge university libraries. I had not realised that they have 120k volumes there.

    https://www.wrightandwright.co.uk/projects/lambeth-palace-library-and-archive#images

    British Library is the best red brick building I've seen. The inside is also spectacular. To top it off, Danny Kruger's mum makes the sarnies.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,897
    Battlebus said:

    MattW said:

    Picking up on attractive brick buildings, I quite like the new Lambeth Palace Library - but I have yet to manage to visit.

    They chose an architectural who have done several Oxbridge university libraries. I had not realised that they have 120k volumes there.

    https://www.wrightandwright.co.uk/projects/lambeth-palace-library-and-archive#images

    British Library is the best red brick building I've seen. The inside is also spectacular. To top it off, Danny Kruger's mum makes the sarnies.
    I very much like it. I used to live a few minutes walk away for several years, and made sure I became a reader.

    I used to order early docs related to City Churches for "study".

    The Lambeth Palace library has all it's material on the 1st floor or above, floods for the avoidance of.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,159
    Update: opening night for the Melania Trump film in Canada, and most cinemas don’t have a single seat sold! Oh dear, what a shame, never mind….
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,854
    edited January 29
    megan kenyon
    @meganekenyon
    ·
    1h
    New: Mothin Ali, the deputy leader of the Green Party, is reportedly no longer in the running to become the party's candidate in Gorton & Denton.

    https://x.com/meganekenyon/status/2016914049464672437
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,897
    Ouch,

    Ex-Labour MP's lobbying firm offered photo with minister and VIP dinner for £30k
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mkyp2z20no
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,425
    Dumbosaurus said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Not interested in party politics at the moment. More needs to be shaken out.

    Big News! At yesterday's earnings call Tesla announced their plans to stop building cars. Model S and X and Cybertruck are all dead with their production lines repurposed for robots and taxis. No further cars will be built which you can drive. So once the Model 3 and Y get old, that's the end.

    Madness standing on the shoulders of madness on stilts. Oh, the Robototron production line is to build 1m units next year. As there is no global market for these, expect them to be bought by the US government and used for herd culling of the population.

    Is that a true-truth? I'm not a big fan of Elon (I know: surprise!) but even by his standard this is f*****g stupid. Tesla is a hundred-billion dollar company. Are the board so in thrall to Elon that they are willing to destroy the company for one man's stupidity?

    1. Model S and X production ends shortly. Sales are down to a trickle anyway. Production space at the Fremont factory to be repurposed to build Optimus
    2. Cybertruck production line to be repurposed to build autonomous vehicles. No timeline given or what those are but it won't be the truck that nobody buys
    3. Roadster announced with a reveal in April. Its been announced as launching this year every year since 2020
    4. Elon said that with the exception of the roadster, Tesla will not bring to the market any vehicles which are not fully autonomous
    5. They further project that the bulk of all future sales will be the cybercab

    He/they are mad. Sales are in Year on Year on Year decline. Accelerating hard. Sales of tax credits down nearly 50% YonY. They need profitable sales (vehicles are 75% of revenue to pay for capex and research. Capex this year more than doubles to $20bn. Hasn't said what they're spending it on. Won't be cars.

    So no new models ever again. Its done.
    Still, if the roadster ever does happen ima gettit. Performance that breaks either the laws of physics or the laws of the UK sounds good to me. 0-60 in one second is something I require.
    You, TSE and Dura round Silverstone. I hope Betfair offer odds!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,188
    https://x.com/ragipsoylu/status/2016921378931220858

    BIG — Turkey now declares that it is open to establish a Middle East Union like the EU
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,066
    @sahilkapur

    The massive government funding package just failed badly in the Senate, 45-55.

    Needed 60.

    Zero Democrats voted for it.

    SEVEN Republicans opposed it:

    Budd
    Johnson
    Lee
    Paul
    Moody
    Rick Scott
    Tuberville

    (John Thune switched his vote to no for procedural reasons.)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,066
    IanB2 said:

    Update: opening night for the Melania Trump film in Canada, and most cinemas don’t have a single seat sold! Oh dear, what a shame, never mind….

    In Boston they will pay you $50 to watch it !
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,627
    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/ragipsoylu/status/2016921378931220858

    BIG — Turkey now declares that it is open to establish a Middle East Union like the EU

    Had they said that a few years ago Brexit may have never happened.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 853
    Scott_xP said:

    IanB2 said:

    Update: opening night for the Melania Trump film in Canada, and most cinemas don’t have a single seat sold! Oh dear, what a shame, never mind….

    In Boston they will pay you $50 to watch it !
    My hourly rate is significantly more than that.....
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,843
    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/ragipsoylu/status/2016921378931220858

    BIG — Turkey now declares that it is open to establish a Middle East Union like the EU

    Does that mean Erdogan wants to re-establish the Ottoman Empire ?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,497
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Flatlander said:

    MattW said:

    Picking up on attractive brick buildings, I quite like the new Lambeth Palace Library - but I have yet to manage to visit.

    They chose an architectural who have done several Oxbridge university libraries. I had not realised that they have 120k volumes there.

    https://www.wrightandwright.co.uk/projects/lambeth-palace-library-and-archive#images

    Talking of Oxbridge and brick, I hope everyone who passes through Oxford is a member of the "Destroy Keble" society.

    Yearly Membership: One red brick
    Life Membership: One purple brick
    'The mighty hideousness of Keble College' as Martin Amis once put it.
    One of my favourite buildings.

    As for interior bare brick, there are some wonderful Victorian churches majoring on it. St James Thorndike Street, Pimlico is one of the very best. It's great material for interior use. You can do great design and then needs little or no further repair or redoing - plaster, paint etc -for ever.

  • TazTaz Posts: 24,357
    Reform PPB tonight.

    Not as awful as the Lib Dem one last night, where Joey Deacon was wibbling about Trump and Putin, but still poor and cheaply made.

    Farage and his dog wandering around.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,937
    IanB2 said:

    Update: opening night for the Melania Trump film in Canada, and most cinemas don’t have a single seat sold! Oh dear, what a shame, never mind….

    It is really hard to see why Amazon wanted to bung the Mad King's Queen $30 million isn't it?

    Springtime for Hitler levels of guaranteed flop.

  • occasionalranteroccasionalranter Posts: 739
    Did the dog respond to a dogwhistle ?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,483
    Robinson College, Cambridge is the finest example of red bricks. I admit I'm not unbiased (I studied there). It is now really nicely aged, but the greenery growing around it, particularly in the gardens promises to make it even better.

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,843
    As we're talking about Scotland:

    A lobbying firm run by an ex-Labour cabinet minister asked companies for £30,000 to sponsor an event, including a "photo opportunity" with a minister and access to a "VIP dinner" with "top advisers" to Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves.

    Arden Strategies, owned by MP turned lobbyist Jim Murphy, is hosting a "Future of Tech Summit" in London in July claiming attendees will be able to watch a "fireside chat" with Science Secretary Liz Kendall.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mkyp2z20no

    A reminder of the gold old slab days.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,876
    Stark_Dawning said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/ragipsoylu/status/2016921378931220858

    BIG — Turkey now declares that it is open to establish a Middle East Union like the EU

    Had they said that a few years ago Brexit may have never happened.
    It's a reminder that Farage was always full of shit.
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 964
    Fairliered said:

    Dumbosaurus said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Not interested in party politics at the moment. More needs to be shaken out.

    Big News! At yesterday's earnings call Tesla announced their plans to stop building cars. Model S and X and Cybertruck are all dead with their production lines repurposed for robots and taxis. No further cars will be built which you can drive. So once the Model 3 and Y get old, that's the end.

    Madness standing on the shoulders of madness on stilts. Oh, the Robototron production line is to build 1m units next year. As there is no global market for these, expect them to be bought by the US government and used for herd culling of the population.

    Is that a true-truth? I'm not a big fan of Elon (I know: surprise!) but even by his standard this is f*****g stupid. Tesla is a hundred-billion dollar company. Are the board so in thrall to Elon that they are willing to destroy the company for one man's stupidity?

    1. Model S and X production ends shortly. Sales are down to a trickle anyway. Production space at the Fremont factory to be repurposed to build Optimus
    2. Cybertruck production line to be repurposed to build autonomous vehicles. No timeline given or what those are but it won't be the truck that nobody buys
    3. Roadster announced with a reveal in April. Its been announced as launching this year every year since 2020
    4. Elon said that with the exception of the roadster, Tesla will not bring to the market any vehicles which are not fully autonomous
    5. They further project that the bulk of all future sales will be the cybercab

    He/they are mad. Sales are in Year on Year on Year decline. Accelerating hard. Sales of tax credits down nearly 50% YonY. They need profitable sales (vehicles are 75% of revenue to pay for capex and research. Capex this year more than doubles to $20bn. Hasn't said what they're spending it on. Won't be cars.

    So no new models ever again. Its done.
    Still, if the roadster ever does happen ima gettit. Performance that breaks either the laws of physics or the laws of the UK sounds good to me. 0-60 in one second is something I require.
    You, TSE and Dura round Silverstone. I hope Betfair offer odds!
    I'm game although my money is on Dura
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,876
    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,188
    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Taking a leaf out of the EU's book.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48580971

    Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has held talks with European leaders as part of a visit to Brussels.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,843
    So it seems that Alex Pretti was something of a violent street thug.

    In fact his behaviour was rather reminiscent of the Wath rioters.

    Now that doesn't mean he should have been killed but the USA is a gun society and thankfully Yorkshire isn't.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,876
    Btw, that "why Minnesota ?" question..
    https://x.com/kingofSomaliaa/status/2015829612228440183
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,866
    williamglenn said:

    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Taking a leaf out of the EU's book.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48580971

    Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has held talks with European leaders as part of a visit to Brussels.
    Jeez ! You can’t compare them . This is desparate false equivalence . The EU wasn’t actively trying to break up the UK .
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,302
    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Quebec separatists, surely?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,876
    another_richard said:

    So it seems that Alex Pretti was something of a violent street thug.

    In fact his behaviour was rather reminiscent of the Wath rioters.

    Now that doesn't mean he should have been killed but the USA is a gun society and thankfully Yorkshire isn't.

    "Now that doesn't mean he should have been killed but.."
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,876
    SandyRentool said:

    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Quebec separatists, surely?
    No, some right wing nuts in Alberta.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,169
    Taz said:

    Reform PPB tonight.

    Not as awful as the Lib Dem one last night, where Joey Deacon was wibbling about Trump and Putin, but still poor and cheaply made.

    Farage and his dog wandering around.

    Jenrick ????
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,066
    Nigelb said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Quebec separatists, surely?
    No, some right wing nuts in Alberta.
    It has already been described as treason
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,223
    occasionalranter said:

    Did the dog respond to a dogwhistle ?

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Update: opening night for the Melania Trump film in Canada, and most cinemas don’t have a single seat sold! Oh dear, what a shame, never mind….

    It is really hard to see why Amazon wanted to bung the Mad King's Queen $30 million isn't it?

    Springtime for Hitler levels of guaranteed flop.

    A pedant writes...
    Springtime for Hitler was a surprise hit.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,866
    edited January 29
    Nigelb said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Quebec separatists, surely?
    No, some right wing nuts in Alberta.
    The Trump cesspit administration is happy to go round interfering in other countries and you really have to feel for Canadians who have had nothing but insults and threats for the last year from the stain on humanity .

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,169
    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Quebec separatists, surely?
    No, some right wing nuts in Alberta.
    The Trump cesspit administration is happy to go round interfering in other countries and you really have to feel for Canadians who have had nothing but insults and threats for the last year from the stain on humanity .

    Don't worry

    They will give as good as they get

    Canada is in a strong position to tell Trump to get lost, notwithstanding some separatists in Alberta
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,843
    Nigelb said:

    another_richard said:

    So it seems that Alex Pretti was something of a violent street thug.

    In fact his behaviour was rather reminiscent of the Wath rioters.

    Now that doesn't mean he should have been killed but the USA is a gun society and thankfully Yorkshire isn't.

    "Now that doesn't mean he should have been killed but.."
    Benjen Stark's advice is that you can ignore what proceeds the 'but' not what follows.

    The problem is that the USA is a gun society.

    And thugs, some in uniform and some not, with guns leads to killings.

    What Alex Pretti deserved was a couple of years in jail - as the Wath rioters received. Not to be killed.

    All assuming that what we now know is the truth, though I would have doubts about that and even more doubts that we will ever know the full truth.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,188
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Quebec separatists, surely?
    No, some right wing nuts in Alberta.
    It has already been described as treason
    Separatism is ok if you're from Scotland or Quebec but not if you're from Alberta?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,849
    Taz said:

    Reform PPB tonight.

    Not as awful as the Lib Dem one last night, where Joey Deacon was wibbling about Trump and Putin, but still poor and cheaply made.

    Farage and his dog wandering around.

    I was going to say 'I'll thank you to use Richard Tice's full name' but I see BigG beat me to the joke!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,223
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Quebec separatists, surely?
    No, some right wing nuts in Alberta.
    The Trump cesspit administration is happy to go round interfering in other countries and you really have to feel for Canadians who have had nothing but insults and threats for the last year from the stain on humanity .

    Don't worry

    They will give as good as they get

    Canada is in a strong position to tell Trump to get lost, notwithstanding some separatists in Alberta
    Canada is in a strong position to have eyes on Minnesota.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,066
    williamglenn said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Quebec separatists, surely?
    No, some right wing nuts in Alberta.
    It has already been described as treason
    Separatism is ok if you're from Scotland or Quebec but not if you're from Alberta?
    Colluding with a foreign government
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,866
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Quebec separatists, surely?
    No, some right wing nuts in Alberta.
    The Trump cesspit administration is happy to go round interfering in other countries and you really have to feel for Canadians who have had nothing but insults and threats for the last year from the stain on humanity .

    Don't worry

    They will give as good as they get

    Canada is in a strong position to tell Trump to get lost, notwithstanding some separatists in Alberta
    Canada is a wonderful country and they’re lucky to have Mark Carney . To this day I’ll never forget my journey across the whole country finishing off with an amazing train ride across from Banff to Vancouver through some of the most beautiful scenery in the world .
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,843
    williamglenn said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Quebec separatists, surely?
    No, some right wing nuts in Alberta.
    It has already been described as treason
    Separatism is ok if you're from Scotland or Quebec but not if you're from Alberta?
    One of Trump's mistakes is that he wants to make Canada as a whole the 51st US state rather than offering each Canadian province the opportunity to become an individual US state.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,816
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Update: opening night for the Melania Trump film in Canada, and most cinemas don’t have a single seat sold! Oh dear, what a shame, never mind….

    It is really hard to see why Amazon wanted to bung the Mad King's Queen $30 million isn't it?

    Springtime for Hitler levels of guaranteed flop.

    Next time just give Trump the money directly, it'll save embarrassment.

    Or 'invest' in one of his crypto projects.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,188
    edited January 29
    another_richard said:

    williamglenn said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Quebec separatists, surely?
    No, some right wing nuts in Alberta.
    It has already been described as treason
    Separatism is ok if you're from Scotland or Quebec but not if you're from Alberta?
    One of Trump's mistakes is that he wants to make Canada as a whole the 51st US state rather than offering each Canadian province the opportunity to become an individual US state.
    Yes, he should really start calling each Canadian 'state' premier 'governor' instead of Carney.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,302
    Nigelb said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Quebec separatists, surely?
    No, some right wing nuts in Alberta.
    Either way, they aren't "Canadian separatists" since Canada is already separate.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,849
    SandyRentool said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    rottenborough said:

    Have we done Centrist Dad Despair yet?



    Find Out Now
    @FindoutnowUK

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 29% (-3)
    🟢 Greens: 19% (+2)
    🔴 Labour: 17% (+3)
    🔵 Conservatives: 17% (-1)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 11% (-)

    Changes from 21st January
    [Find Out Now, 28th January, N=3,282]

    https://x.com/FindoutnowUK/status/2016898793766060450

    Find OUTLIERS Now!

    Anyway, broken, sleazy Reform and Tories on the slide!
    FON does not stand for Fiddled Our Numbers.
    It's strange how calls to ban Find Out Now this morning amongst the PB faithful seem to have died down.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,552
    williamglenn said:

    another_richard said:

    williamglenn said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Quebec separatists, surely?
    No, some right wing nuts in Alberta.
    It has already been described as treason
    Separatism is ok if you're from Scotland or Quebec but not if you're from Alberta?
    One of Trump's mistakes is that he wants to make Canada as a whole the 51st US state rather than offering each Canadian province the opportunity to become an individual US state.
    Yes, he should really start calling each Canadian state premier "governor" instead of Carney.
    Quebec would definitely chose independence!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,816
    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Quebec separatists, surely?
    No, some right wing nuts in Alberta.
    The Trump cesspit administration is happy to go round interfering in other countries and you really have to feel for Canadians who have had nothing but insults and threats for the last year from the stain on humanity .

    Really seems to have come out of nowhere too.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,169
    nico67 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Nigelb said:

    1/ Trump Administration officials have reportedly held several secret meetings with Canadian separatists, who are seeking US$500 billion to bankroll their efforts. It suggests that the Administration is interested in breaking up Canada and absorbing the remnants...
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2016815209751466305

    Quebec separatists, surely?
    No, some right wing nuts in Alberta.
    The Trump cesspit administration is happy to go round interfering in other countries and you really have to feel for Canadians who have had nothing but insults and threats for the last year from the stain on humanity .

    Don't worry

    They will give as good as they get

    Canada is in a strong position to tell Trump to get lost, notwithstanding some separatists in Alberta
    Canada is a wonderful country and they’re lucky to have Mark Carney . To this day I’ll never forget my journey across the whole country finishing off with an amazing train ride across from Banff to Vancouver through some of the most beautiful scenery in the world .
    Our eldest is married to a Canadian and they live in North Vancouver

    In his day he was a professional snowboarder travelling the sky resorts in France, Italy, the US and of course Canada including Whistler

    Coming upto 60 now his knees have paid the price and he is retired, but lived on the edge of what is possible on snow for many years

    Our daughter in law is head of tourism for British Columbia and with the re-establishing of relations with China, she will be spending a lot of time in China, Australia and New Zealand

    To be fair, selling British Columbia must be many peoples dream job
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,916
    rottenborough said:

    Have we done Centrist Dad Despair yet?



    Find Out Now
    @FindoutnowUK

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 29% (-3)
    🟢 Greens: 19% (+2)
    🔴 Labour: 17% (+3)
    🔵 Conservatives: 17% (-1)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 11% (-)

    Changes from 21st January
    [Find Out Now, 28th January, N=3,282]

    https://x.com/FindoutnowUK/status/2016898793766060450

    The Gold Standard.

    Did their Post Code Lottery sample size reach three figures?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,483
    KC3 may have been played in all of this.

    We need bombers - huge great things that can roar at airshows and yet be entirely invisible in their day jobs.

    As such commissions should be sent - if one of our bomber types is a Brompton then lets not worry.

    They will of could have to be the W Bombers. There need to be at least three - the Willy, the Whataboutery and the Dr Who seem like appropriate names. So BAE, Brompton bicycles and Josephs recycled tin shed should all be funded with a billion or so. (I was reluctant to have BAE in this list, but it is quite historical to do so)
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