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Voters eh? – politicalbetting.com

How would the public prefer the government help on the cost of living – by cutting bills/taxes or giving them money?Prefer for themselvesCost reductions: 47%Cash transfers: 46%Think would be best nationallyCost reductions: 64%Cash transfers: 27%yougov.co.uk/politics/art…

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  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,286
    First
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,102
    First.
    Any and all for me.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,249
    edited 4:14PM
    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,286
    viewcode said:

    First

    I am first! I am best at being first! Behold my awesomeness!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,487
    Reducing costs is best here, the other options are more inflationary... I think.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,137
    I don't see tackle the Budget Deficit of well over a hundred billion pounds per annum instead as an option?

    We can't afford to do any of the above.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,487

    I don't see tackle the Budget Deficit of well over a hundred billion pounds per annum instead as an option?

    We can't afford to do any of the above.

    It's a fixed choice question, so you need to choose one of the options ;)
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,137
    Pulpstar said:

    I don't see tackle the Budget Deficit of well over a hundred billion pounds per annum instead as an option?

    We can't afford to do any of the above.

    It's a fixed choice question, so you need to choose one of the options ;)
    Its an open discussion thread now though, so I can condemn them all. :tongue:
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,428
    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Why, six years on has no one chased down the COVID criminals? Be that the PPE fast lane scammers or the industrial scale business loan fraudsters.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,837
    Pulpstar said:

    I don't see tackle the Budget Deficit of well over a hundred billion pounds per annum instead as an option?

    We can't afford to do any of the above.

    It's a fixed choice question, so you need to choose one of the options ;)
    The government's obviously not going to start doling out free money to everyone, so it seems a peculiar survey in the first place.

    They have the power to lift the 5% VAT on fuel, should they wish. But finding money to spend is their pressing problem, so giving away sources of revenue simply makes another Reeves' tax hike more likely down the road.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,249

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Why, six years on has no one chased down the COVID criminals? Be that the PPE fast lane scammers or the industrial scale business loan fraudsters.
    No idea, there’s been a new UK government in place for a year and a half.

    The new US government appears to be making more progress on the same subject.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,316
    I admire this Wings over Scotland piece for creativity, spending hundreds of words and a dozen screenshots to set up a metaphor about a 1982 text adventure game and contemporary politics (I believe Wings used to work in the games reporting sector).

    And readers, while Dictator is a very rudimentary game in coding terms and came out more than 40 years ago, it actually painted a pretty accurate picture in 1982 and nothing much has changed since. Countries still run at a loss, and you can never please everyone. It’s a fundamentally impossible job, you have to sacrifice every principle very early on, the public are ungrateful bastards even if you try to be nice, and if you try to crush them they’ll eventually shoot you.

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/governing-for-beginners/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,316
    I believe in reducing costs, although I do think it very often turns into the reverse of the magic money tree, as a solution to all ills deemed to have no negative consequences.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,682
    edited 4:57PM
    USA: People being disappeared from home without warrants, and from the street, including US citizens.

    (Fairly emotive, from a Youtube channel called he Humanist Report.)

    They are calling it Soft Martial Law.

    https://youtu.be/Imhq3ktTwwY?t=235
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,869
    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,172
    I actually think Rubio has run rings around the pro-Russia MAGA faction and dismantled Putin's support network under the guise of America first freedom. He's got to be thinking of running in 2028. The only member of the Trump cabinet to come out of this with any credibility.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,605
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Same with Reform every council they control are planning on increasing council tax.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,394
    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    You reckon Orange gonna be found out bigly then?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,682
    edited 5:09PM
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    These are the numbers and forecast as % of GDP from 2000 to 2030 (Claude).


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,249
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,190
    edited 5:14PM
    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    These are the numbers and forecast as % of GDP from 2000 to 2030 (Claude).


    Looks like a lot of extra waste in Trump's first term...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,190
    MaxPB said:

    If Trump really does intervene in Iran and the regime falls I think the end of the Ukraine war will come shortly after. The US seems to be dismantling Putin's support network and in turn destroying Russia's ability to wage war.

    Without Iran and without Venezuala participating in Putin's shadow oil fleet schemes it will be much more difficult to sell Ural oil at anything close to break even and sooner rather than later the cost of extraction will exceed revenue. At which point how does Russia continue to fund the war?

    The Ukrainians were doing a damn fine job of destroying Putin's means of funding his war, but Venezuela and then Iran falling away from his support network would surely massively reduce Putin's options.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,394
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,087
    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    MAGA want fraud to be the single biggest issue, or rather they want fraud by other people to be. (Its Trump who has been found guilty of fraud, not Walz.) What will actually be the biggest issue, we don't know yet. Maybe cost of living.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,127
    Pulpstar said:

    Reducing costs is best here, the other options are more inflationary... I think.

    Easiest way to do that is public sector pay freezes and recruitment freezes.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,310

    Pulpstar said:

    Reducing costs is best here, the other options are more inflationary... I think.

    Easiest way to do that is public sector pay freezes and recruitment freezes.
    Why shouldn’t the private sector also suffer pay freezes and recruitment freezes. Most public sector workers are performing a valuable public service. Many private sector workers are salesmen, lawyers, call centre operatives or other equally useless wasters.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,428

    Pulpstar said:

    Reducing costs is best here, the other options are more inflationary... I think.

    Easiest way to do that is public sector pay freezes and recruitment freezes.
    Of course.

    It worked so well during austerity.

    #Toriesknowthecostofeverythingandthevalueofnothing
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,445

    Pulpstar said:

    Reducing costs is best here, the other options are more inflationary... I think.

    Easiest way to do that is public sector pay freezes and recruitment freezes.
    Just because it's 'easiest' doesn't mean it's best!
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,910

    Pulpstar said:

    Reducing costs is best here, the other options are more inflationary... I think.

    Easiest way to do that is public sector pay freezes and recruitment freezes.
    Why shouldn’t the private sector also suffer pay freezes and recruitment freezes. Most public sector workers are performing a valuable public service. Many private sector workers are salesmen, lawyers, call centre operatives or other equally useless wasters.
    Oh effectively we have a private sector recruitment freeze thanks to Reeves inept stewardship of the economy. 👍
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,428

    MaxPB said:

    If Trump really does intervene in Iran and the regime falls I think the end of the Ukraine war will come shortly after. The US seems to be dismantling Putin's support network and in turn destroying Russia's ability to wage war.

    Without Iran and without Venezuala participating in Putin's shadow oil fleet schemes it will be much more difficult to sell Ural oil at anything close to break even and sooner rather than later the cost of extraction will exceed revenue. At which point how does Russia continue to fund the war?

    The Ukrainians were doing a damn fine job of destroying Putin's means of funding his war, but Venezuela and then Iran falling away from his support network would surely massively reduce Putin's options.
    He still has China and India to keep the support networks running.

    Every Ford dealer replaced by a Chery dealer, every VW dealer replaced by a BYD dealer. Much like South Wales.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,249
    edited 5:31PM
    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
    Err no, the Minnesota scandal is massive.

    There’s already been dozens of convictions.

    https://minnesotanow.net/50-convictions-feeding-our-food-scandal/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,030

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Why, six years on has no one chased down the COVID criminals? Be that the PPE fast lane scammers or the industrial scale business loan fraudsters.
    How many years have they been letting utility companies of all stripes scam us?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,428
    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
    Err no, the Minnesota scandal is massive.

    There’s already been dozens of convictions.

    https://minnesotanow.net/50-convictions-feeding-our-food-scandal/
    Past tense. You are reheating old news.

    Not that any scandals are a good look but your team have exhumed this one.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,428
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Why, six years on has no one chased down the COVID criminals? Be that the PPE fast lane scammers or the industrial scale business loan fraudsters.
    How many years have they been letting utility companies of all stripes scam us?
    Since privatisation, but that was only forty years ago. They are barely started yet.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,030
    Taz said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Reducing costs is best here, the other options are more inflationary... I think.

    Easiest way to do that is public sector pay freezes and recruitment freezes.
    Why shouldn’t the private sector also suffer pay freezes and recruitment freezes. Most public sector workers are performing a valuable public service. Many private sector workers are salesmen, lawyers, call centre operatives or other equally useless wasters.
    Oh effectively we have a private sector recruitment freeze thanks to Reeves inept stewardship of the economy. 👍
    And pay freezes.

    Not at board level so far but looking at some rather stormy recent AGMs I suspect that will be coming too.

    And about bloody time. You look at some of these managers and wonder how they can breathe and walk at the same time.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,249
    edited 5:40PM

    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
    Err no, the Minnesota scandal is massive.

    There’s already been dozens of convictions.

    https://minnesotanow.net/50-convictions-feeding-our-food-scandal/
    Past tense. You are reheating old news.

    Not that any scandals are a good look but your team have exhumed this one.
    The recent scandal is totally new but exactly the same MO, other groups seemingly taking millions of dollars in exchange for government services that are never delivered.

    It’s not just the one Minnesotan NGO that was defrauding US federal taxpayers, there’s quite literally hundreds of them.

    Tim Walz, who was VP candidate not much more than a year ago, didn’t stand aside within a week of the story for no reason.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,087
    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
    Donald Trump was found personally guilty of multiple counts of fraud. The Trump Foundation was forcibly wound up because of fraud. His companies have been found guilty of fraud. It’s easy to find fraud in the US: start in the White House.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,235
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    First

    I am first! I am best at being first! Behold my awesomeness!
    Good effort.
    But you need to work on the legendary modesty bit.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,428
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Reducing costs is best here, the other options are more inflationary... I think.

    Easiest way to do that is public sector pay freezes and recruitment freezes.
    Why shouldn’t the private sector also suffer pay freezes and recruitment freezes. Most public sector workers are performing a valuable public service. Many private sector workers are salesmen, lawyers, call centre operatives or other equally useless wasters.
    Oh effectively we have a private sector recruitment freeze thanks to Reeves inept stewardship of the economy. 👍
    And pay freezes.

    Not at board level so far but looking at some rather stormy recent AGMs I suspect that will be coming too.

    And about bloody time. You look at some of these managers and wonder how they can breathe and walk at the same time.
    The Non-Executive Director grift has been very lucrative over the last forty or so years. "If you give me a 1000% pay increase this year I'll give you a 1001% pay rise next year".
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,249
    edited 5:42PM

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
    Donald Trump was found personally guilty of multiple counts of fraud. The Trump Foundation was forcibly wound up because of fraud. His companies have been found guilty of fraud. It’s easy to find fraud in the US: start in the White House.
    Trump isn’t on the ballot, and good luck convincing any of his supporters that his legal problems of the last few years haven’t been politically motivated.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,127

    Pulpstar said:

    Reducing costs is best here, the other options are more inflationary... I think.

    Easiest way to do that is public sector pay freezes and recruitment freezes.
    Why shouldn’t the private sector also suffer pay freezes and recruitment freezes. Most public sector workers are performing a valuable public service. Many private sector workers are salesmen, lawyers, call centre operatives or other equally useless wasters.
    This is the politically easiest way for Government to cut the cost of the public sector and its borrowing requirement, which was why the last administration resorted to it repeatedly.

    The quid pro quo on the income side is freezing tax thresholds to increase tax take, which both the last administration and this one are doing.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,428

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
    Donald Trump was found personally guilty of multiple counts of fraud. The Trump Foundation was forcibly wound up because of fraud. His companies have been found guilty of fraud. It’s easy to find fraud in the US: start in the White House.
    Wait 'til you learn about Trump University.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,127

    Pulpstar said:

    Reducing costs is best here, the other options are more inflationary... I think.

    Easiest way to do that is public sector pay freezes and recruitment freezes.
    Just because it's 'easiest' doesn't mean it's best!
    Indeed, and I didn't say it was.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,030
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
    Err no, the Minnesota scandal is massive.

    There’s already been dozens of convictions.

    https://minnesotanow.net/50-convictions-feeding-our-food-scandal/
    Past tense. You are reheating old news.

    Not that any scandals are a good look but your team have exhumed this one.
    The recent scandal is totally new but exactly the same MO, other groups seemingly taking millions of dollars in exchange for government services that are never delivered.

    It’s not just the one Minnesotan NGO that was defrauding US federal taxpayers, there’s quite literally hundreds of them.
    Indeed.

    There's the Trump Organisation as well, billing federal taxpayers millions for people staying in hotels at Trump's order. It's one reason why he was so desperate to get back into office.

    It is significant that they are going after Walz and Newsom. It's not just about money, it's because those two had the temerity to criticise (in this case) Vance and Trump, merely because they are crooks and pseuds.

    Noem has been falsifying records for years as a governor and now as SecHS and yet mysteriously there seems little appetite for an investigation into her.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,235
    edited 5:42PM

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Why, six years on has no one chased down the COVID criminals? Be that the PPE fast lane scammers or the industrial scale business loan fraudsters.
    They were doing so on the business loans, but Trump shut down Biden's Covid fraud task force as soon as he took office.

    Sandpit doesn't mention that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,030
    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
    Donald Trump was found personally guilty of multiple counts of fraud. The Trump Foundation was forcibly wound up because of fraud. His companies have been found guilty of fraud. It’s easy to find fraud in the US: start in the White House.
    Trump isn’t on the ballot, and good luck convincing any of his supporters that his legal problems of the last few years haven’t been politically motivated.
    Agreed, you will never achieve that.

    Their grasp of reality has always been quite limited.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,316
    MaxPB said:

    If Trump really does intervene in Iran and the regime falls I think the end of the Ukraine war will come shortly after. The US seems to be dismantling Putin's support network and in turn destroying Russia's ability to wage war.

    Without Iran and without Venezuala participating in Putin's shadow oil fleet schemes it will be much more difficult to sell Ural oil at anything close to break even and sooner rather than later the cost of extraction will exceed revenue. At which point how does Russia continue to fund the war?

    He can have the nobel prize if those things happen as a result of his actions.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,249
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Why, six years on has no one chased down the COVID criminals? Be that the PPE fast lane scammers or the industrial scale business loan fraudsters.
    They were doing so on the business loans, but Trump shut down Biden's Covid fraud task force as soon as he took office.

    Sandpit doesn't mention that.
    That comment was in relation to the UK, not the US.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,428

    Pulpstar said:

    Reducing costs is best here, the other options are more inflationary... I think.

    Easiest way to do that is public sector pay freezes and recruitment freezes.
    Why shouldn’t the private sector also suffer pay freezes and recruitment freezes. Most public sector workers are performing a valuable public service. Many private sector workers are salesmen, lawyers, call centre operatives or other equally useless wasters.
    This is the politically easiest way for Government to cut the cost of the public sector and its borrowing requirement, which was why the last administration resorted to it repeatedly.

    The quid pro quo on the income side is freezing tax thresholds to increase tax take, which both the last administration and this one are doing.
    But all that is why the squeezed middle are deserting Labour and the Conservatives and resorting to some Reform kick out the immigrants magic money tree economics.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,030
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Why, six years on has no one chased down the COVID criminals? Be that the PPE fast lane scammers or the industrial scale business loan fraudsters.
    They were doing so on the business loans, but Trump shut down Biden's Covid fraud task force as soon as he took office.

    Sandpit doesn't mention that.
    TBF, I think that comment was about Britain where Biden's mob had no jurisdiction.

    Even apart from hand sanitiser, wipes, masks etc in schools, which were mostly bungled at an academy chain rather than national level, I would still like a proper investigation into the amount of drunkenness at the DfE.

    Apart from anything else, judging by their recent pronouncements on SEND that's a problem that is only getting worse.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,799

    I don't see tackle the Budget Deficit of well over a hundred billion pounds per annum instead as an option?

    We can't afford to do any of the above.

    You might be able to do things that reduced people's costs by £1,000 a year that didn't involve the government spending any money.

    For example, if competition rules were changed so that increased competition led to lower costs in a sector which currently has monopolistic profits. Or if rents were reduced as a result of increases in housing supply.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,428
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
    Err no, the Minnesota scandal is massive.

    There’s already been dozens of convictions.

    https://minnesotanow.net/50-convictions-feeding-our-food-scandal/
    Past tense. You are reheating old news.

    Not that any scandals are a good look but your team have exhumed this one.
    The recent scandal is totally new but exactly the same MO, other groups seemingly taking millions of dollars in exchange for government services that are never delivered.

    It’s not just the one Minnesotan NGO that was defrauding US federal taxpayers, there’s quite literally hundreds of them.

    Tim Walz, who was VP candidate not much more than a year ago, didn’t stand aside within a week of the story for no reason.
    Try this one for size. See if it fits.

    https://share.google/nqqvrYWADwR5BUQ7S
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,235
    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
    Err no, the Minnesota scandal is massive.

    There’s already been dozens of convictions.

    https://minnesotanow.net/50-convictions-feeding-our-food-scandal/
    "Massive" as in a few million dollars ?

    And most of those convictions were prosecuted under the Biden administration.

    The Covid fraud task force was pursuing about $200bn I believe.
    Trump shut it down. And is now making great play of setting up another one.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,235
    edited 5:55PM
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Why, six years on has no one chased down the COVID criminals? Be that the PPE fast lane scammers or the industrial scale business loan fraudsters.
    They were doing so on the business loans, but Trump shut down Biden's Covid fraud task force as soon as he took office.

    Sandpit doesn't mention that.
    TBF, I think that comment was about Britain where Biden's mob had no jurisdiction..
    It was a reply to Sandpit, who has been radicalised by this guy.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/2010812969588769094

    https://www.richardhanania.com/p/the-unbearable-stupidity-of-nick

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,799
    MaxPB said:

    If Trump really does intervene in Iran and the regime falls I think the end of the Ukraine war will come shortly after. The US seems to be dismantling Putin's support network and in turn destroying Russia's ability to wage war.

    Without Iran and without Venezuala participating in Putin's shadow oil fleet schemes it will be much more difficult to sell Ural oil at anything close to break even and sooner rather than later the cost of extraction will exceed revenue. At which point how does Russia continue to fund the war?

    Fingers crossed, yes, but it depends on how much China is prepared to do to keep Russia in the fight, and possibly on the extent to which Putin is willing and able to expropriate wealth from those in his population who still have any.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,799
    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    These are the numbers and forecast as % of GDP from 2000 to 2030 (Claude).


    Is Claude reliable with this sort of thing?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,235
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Why, six years on has no one chased down the COVID criminals? Be that the PPE fast lane scammers or the industrial scale business loan fraudsters.
    They were doing so on the business loans, but Trump shut down Biden's Covid fraud task force as soon as he took office.

    Sandpit doesn't mention that.
    That comment was in relation to the UK, not the US.
    What, "Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms." ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,428
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Why, six years on has no one chased down the COVID criminals? Be that the PPE fast lane scammers or the industrial scale business loan fraudsters.
    They were doing so on the business loans, but Trump shut down Biden's Covid fraud task force as soon as he took office.

    Sandpit doesn't mention that.
    TBF, I think that comment was about Britain where Biden's mob had no jurisdiction.

    Even apart from hand sanitiser, wipes, masks etc in schools, which were mostly bungled at an academy chain rather than national level, I would still like a proper investigation into the amount of drunkenness at the DfE.

    Apart from anything else, judging by their recent pronouncements on SEND that's a problem that is only getting worse.
    I don't particularly want a whitewash on the VIP Fastlane scandal. I would certainly like to see some redress against Sunak's foolhardy business loan scheme that turned into a free for all for industrial scale scammers the World over. One of the problems I find with Tories is they can afford yachts for Dougie and MIchie, but they can't afford Doctors and Teachers.

    Mind you I am gravely disappointed that the current lot think it was all fair game.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,249
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
    Err no, the Minnesota scandal is massive.

    There’s already been dozens of convictions.

    https://minnesotanow.net/50-convictions-feeding-our-food-scandal/
    "Massive" as in a few million dollars ?

    And most of those convictions were prosecuted under the Biden administration.

    The Covid fraud task force was pursuing about $200bn I believe.
    Trump shut it down. And is now making great play of setting up another one.
    The estimate for Minnesota alone is $9bn in funded NGO fraud.

    Daycare centres with no kids, food banks with no food…

    Oh, and $750m in *reported* cash declared outbound through Minneapolis airport in the past two years.
    https://totalnews.com/officials-discovered-millions-in-cash-in-somali-travelers-luggage-at-minneapolis-airport/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,030
    edited 6:01PM
    Scott_xP said:
    Another missed trick from the Wind in the Willows.

    Farage as Toad and Zahawi as a weasel would work really well.

    I can see why they maybe would think before casting Badenoch as Mole, Badger or Rat, but they didn't need to.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,428
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
    Err no, the Minnesota scandal is massive.

    There’s already been dozens of convictions.

    https://minnesotanow.net/50-convictions-feeding-our-food-scandal/
    "Massive" as in a few million dollars ?

    And most of those convictions were prosecuted under the Biden administration.

    The Covid fraud task force was pursuing about $200bn I believe.
    Trump shut it down. And is now making great play of setting up another one.
    The estimate for Minnesota alone is $9bn in funded NGO fraud.

    Daycare centres with no kids, food banks with no food…

    Oh, and $750m in *reported* cash declared outbound through Minneapolis airport in the past two years.
    https://totalnews.com/officials-discovered-millions-in-cash-in-somali-travelers-luggage-at-minneapolis-airport/
    I like the MAGA racist trope tossed in at the end.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,428
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Another missed trick from the Wind in the Willows.

    Farage as Toad and Zahawi as a weasel would work really well.

    I can see why they maybe would think before casting Badenoch as Mole, Badger or Rat, but they didn't need to.
    And they'd all be nice and warm in the stables at Zahawi Hall.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,532

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    These are the numbers and forecast as % of GDP from 2000 to 2030 (Claude).


    Is Claude reliable with this sort of thing?
    More reliable than Elon Musk at any rate.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,249
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Why, six years on has no one chased down the COVID criminals? Be that the PPE fast lane scammers or the industrial scale business loan fraudsters.
    They were doing so on the business loans, but Trump shut down Biden's Covid fraud task force as soon as he took office.

    Sandpit doesn't mention that.
    That comment was in relation to the UK, not the US.
    What, "Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms." ?
    The comment was that the UK government need to actually look at cutting out the waste and fraud, precisely because the US story of the same is only going to escalate with their elections next year.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,127

    Pulpstar said:

    Reducing costs is best here, the other options are more inflationary... I think.

    Easiest way to do that is public sector pay freezes and recruitment freezes.
    Why shouldn’t the private sector also suffer pay freezes and recruitment freezes. Most public sector workers are performing a valuable public service. Many private sector workers are salesmen, lawyers, call centre operatives or other equally useless wasters.
    This is the politically easiest way for Government to cut the cost of the public sector and its borrowing requirement, which was why the last administration resorted to it repeatedly.

    The quid pro quo on the income side is freezing tax thresholds to increase tax take, which both the last administration and this one are doing.
    But all that is why the squeezed middle are deserting Labour and the Conservatives and resorting to some Reform kick out the immigrants magic money tree economics.
    The electorate doesn't want to face up to the tough choices we have. Politicians reflect that.

    If the Conservatives had made fundamental changes on the State stopping to do stuff, or laid off huge arms of it, and Labour in turn jacked up headline rates of tax, rather than do tax threshold freezes, then that'd be more honest but you'd still get a popular revolt.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,417
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
    Err no, the Minnesota scandal is massive.

    There’s already been dozens of convictions.

    https://minnesotanow.net/50-convictions-feeding-our-food-scandal/
    "Massive" as in a few million dollars ?

    And most of those convictions were prosecuted under the Biden administration.

    The Covid fraud task force was pursuing about $200bn I believe.
    Trump shut it down. And is now making great play of setting up another one.
    The estimate for Minnesota alone is $9bn in funded NGO fraud.

    Daycare centres with no kids, food banks with no food…

    Oh, and $750m in *reported* cash declared outbound through Minneapolis airport in the past two years.
    https://totalnews.com/officials-discovered-millions-in-cash-in-somali-travelers-luggage-at-minneapolis-airport/
    If you cared about fraud in the US then you'd be focusing on the Trump family, not the small potatoes in Minnesota.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,235
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
    Err no, the Minnesota scandal is massive.

    There’s already been dozens of convictions.

    https://minnesotanow.net/50-convictions-feeding-our-food-scandal/
    "Massive" as in a few million dollars ?

    And most of those convictions were prosecuted under the Biden administration.

    The Covid fraud task force was pursuing about $200bn I believe.
    Trump shut it down. And is now making great play of setting up another one.
    The estimate for Minnesota alone is $9bn in funded NGO fraud.

    Daycare centres with no kids, food banks with no food…
    Whose estimate?

    Oh, and incidentally:

    https://www.minnpost.com/fact-briefs/2025/09/does-minnesota-generate-more-federal-revenue-than-it-gets-in-return/
    ..The federal government collected about $119 billion in tax revenue from Minnesota residents and businesses in 2023. The state, in return, received about $75 billion to support health care, nutrition, Social Security and other programs, according to USAFacts, a not-for-profit organization that analyzes government data. ..
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,387
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Why, six years on has no one chased down the COVID criminals? Be that the PPE fast lane scammers or the industrial scale business loan fraudsters.
    They were doing so on the business loans, but Trump shut down Biden's Covid fraud task force as soon as he took office.

    Sandpit doesn't mention that.
    That comment was in relation to the UK, not the US.
    What, "Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms." ?
    The comment was that the UK government need to actually look at cutting out the waste and fraud, precisely because the US story of the same is only going to escalate with their elections next year.
    You can't cut out waste and fraud from UK government. What would be left?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,030
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tres said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Elon Musk came in promising to find massive amounts of fraud in Social Security, and actually found... errr... basically none. Federal government spending has risen 6% in the last year, which means it hasn't just risen more than inflation, it's risen more than nominal economic growth. The budget deficit, thanks to tax cuts, has also risen.
    Well they got Tim Walz already, and there appears to be a concerted effort to get Mr Newsom on a similar scandal, although he’s as slippery as an eel.

    Yes, there’s also a concerted effort to get primary challenges against the Republican Senators who didn’t want to codify a lot of Musk’s spending cuts the other night.
    https://x.com/nedryun/status/2011044812741562475
    oh you talking about orange and his cronies making up stuff, rather than genuine fraud
    Err no, the Minnesota scandal is massive.

    There’s already been dozens of convictions.

    https://minnesotanow.net/50-convictions-feeding-our-food-scandal/
    "Massive" as in a few million dollars ?

    And most of those convictions were prosecuted under the Biden administration.

    The Covid fraud task force was pursuing about $200bn I believe.
    Trump shut it down. And is now making great play of setting up another one.
    The estimate for Minnesota alone is $9bn in funded NGO fraud.

    Daycare centres with no kids, food banks with no food…
    Whose estimate?

    Oh, and incidentally:

    https://www.minnpost.com/fact-briefs/2025/09/does-minnesota-generate-more-federal-revenue-than-it-gets-in-return/
    ..The federal government collected about $119 billion in tax revenue from Minnesota residents and businesses in 2023. The state, in return, received about $75 billion to support health care, nutrition, Social Security and other programs, according to USAFacts, a not-for-profit organization that analyzes government data. ..
    Hasn't Trump said no more federal money to Minnesota until they stop complaining about his agents murdering random people?

    Which is fraud, of course, but doesn't seem to exercise the administration very much.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,910
    The Trumpdozer to make a press statement at 7PM UK time

    Brace brace

    https://x.com/osint613/status/2011129851349254293?s=61
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,700
    MaxPB said:

    If Trump really does intervene in Iran and the regime falls I think the end of the Ukraine war will come shortly after. The US seems to be dismantling Putin's support network and in turn destroying Russia's ability to wage war.

    Without Iran and without Venezuala participating in Putin's shadow oil fleet schemes it will be much more difficult to sell Ural oil at anything close to break even and sooner rather than later the cost of extraction will exceed revenue. At which point how does Russia continue to fund the war?

    That's an interesting take on the issue and may be true.

    Another take is that he is, in a Trumpy way, giving the hawkish element in his Party and country some wins because he's preparing a big accommodation with Russia. He's appeased them before - they loved it when he started lobbing missiles at Assad for a while in his first term.

    Both are plausible theories.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,030
    Claims about fraud in Minnesota are fact-checked here:

    https://www.minnpost.com/other-nonprofit-media/2026/01/heres-whats-really-happening-with-child-care-fraud-in-minnesota-explained/

    Short version - there is a problem, but it's not a major one and the original source for the 'billions' claim is from a disgruntled and disgraced former state attorney via a well known forger and liar with a deep loathing of Somalis.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,127

    I don't see tackle the Budget Deficit of well over a hundred billion pounds per annum instead as an option?

    We can't afford to do any of the above.

    You might be able to do things that reduced people's costs by £1,000 a year that didn't involve the government spending any money.

    For example, if competition rules were changed so that increased competition led to lower costs in a sector which currently has monopolistic profits. Or if rents were reduced as a result of increases in housing supply.
    Net Zero rules changing would almost certainly lead to lower costs for energy because the subsidies for production and infrastructure would go, together with transition penalties, but at the cost of delays in reducing emissions.

    We probably don't need MoTs on new cars until they are 5 years old now, not 3 years old.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,030

    MaxPB said:

    If Trump really does intervene in Iran and the regime falls I think the end of the Ukraine war will come shortly after. The US seems to be dismantling Putin's support network and in turn destroying Russia's ability to wage war.

    Without Iran and without Venezuala participating in Putin's shadow oil fleet schemes it will be much more difficult to sell Ural oil at anything close to break even and sooner rather than later the cost of extraction will exceed revenue. At which point how does Russia continue to fund the war?

    That's an interesting take on the issue and may be true.

    Another take is that he is, in a Trumpy way, giving the hawkish element in his Party and country some wins because he's preparing a big accommodation with Russia. He's appeased them before - they loved it when he started lobbing missiles at Assad for a while in his first term.

    Both are plausible theories.
    A third possible take is he's just behaving erratically because he doesn't understand what's going on and he's not a very well man.

    Looking for logic in the mind of Mr Trump is a not an especially rewarding exercise.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,700
    Omnium said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cut the waste and fraud.

    Actually investigate hard and prosecute it, unless you want to see Nigel win a landslide.

    Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms.

    Why, six years on has no one chased down the COVID criminals? Be that the PPE fast lane scammers or the industrial scale business loan fraudsters.
    They were doing so on the business loans, but Trump shut down Biden's Covid fraud task force as soon as he took office.

    Sandpit doesn't mention that.
    That comment was in relation to the UK, not the US.
    What, "Fraud is going to be the single biggest story in the US Mid-Terms." ?
    The comment was that the UK government need to actually look at cutting out the waste and fraud, precisely because the US story of the same is only going to escalate with their elections next year.
    You can't cut out waste and fraud from UK government. What would be left?
    The D... Oh wait.
    The NH... Oh
    The Po... hmm

    Ok, this is more difficult than it seemed.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,286
    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer to make a press statement at 7PM UK time

    Brace brace

    https://x.com/osint613/status/2011129851349254293?s=61

    So he's invading

    a) Iraq?
    b) Minnesota?
    c) The BBC? or
    d) France (just on general principles. It's been a while)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,700
    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    If Trump really does intervene in Iran and the regime falls I think the end of the Ukraine war will come shortly after. The US seems to be dismantling Putin's support network and in turn destroying Russia's ability to wage war.

    Without Iran and without Venezuala participating in Putin's shadow oil fleet schemes it will be much more difficult to sell Ural oil at anything close to break even and sooner rather than later the cost of extraction will exceed revenue. At which point how does Russia continue to fund the war?

    That's an interesting take on the issue and may be true.

    Another take is that he is, in a Trumpy way, giving the hawkish element in his Party and country some wins because he's preparing a big accommodation with Russia. He's appeased them before - they loved it when he started lobbing missiles at Assad for a while in his first term.

    Both are plausible theories.
    A third possible take is he's just behaving erratically because he doesn't understand what's going on and he's not a very well man.

    Looking for logic in the mind of Mr Trump is a not an especially rewarding exercise.
    I understand that school of thought, but I don't subscribe to it. I'm not suggesting that he isn't capricious and wrathful, but I do think there is an agenda.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,030
    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer to make a press statement at 7PM UK time

    Brace brace

    https://x.com/osint613/status/2011129851349254293?s=61

    So he's invading

    a) Iraq?
    b) Minnesota?
    c) The BBC? or
    d) France (just on general principles. It's been a while)
    You're thinking small. You used 'or' instead of 'and.'

    Plus, you forgot Greenland, Canada and California.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,700
    Scott_xP said:
    I don't understand where the humour lies in that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,030

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    If Trump really does intervene in Iran and the regime falls I think the end of the Ukraine war will come shortly after. The US seems to be dismantling Putin's support network and in turn destroying Russia's ability to wage war.

    Without Iran and without Venezuala participating in Putin's shadow oil fleet schemes it will be much more difficult to sell Ural oil at anything close to break even and sooner rather than later the cost of extraction will exceed revenue. At which point how does Russia continue to fund the war?

    That's an interesting take on the issue and may be true.

    Another take is that he is, in a Trumpy way, giving the hawkish element in his Party and country some wins because he's preparing a big accommodation with Russia. He's appeased them before - they loved it when he started lobbing missiles at Assad for a while in his first term.

    Both are plausible theories.
    A third possible take is he's just behaving erratically because he doesn't understand what's going on and he's not a very well man.

    Looking for logic in the mind of Mr Trump is a not an especially rewarding exercise.
    I understand that school of thought, but I don't subscribe to it. I'm not suggesting that he isn't capricious and wrathful, but I do think there is an agenda.
    He is backed like a weasel. Or perhaps a shark.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,267
    FPT
    eek said:

    Those PBers who want Begum back should be hugely encouraged by the successes of Attorney General Hermer’s dodgiest clients. How much compensation do we think that wicked woman will be awarded?

    Currently we haven’t let her be tortured in Guantanamo bay so I don’t think it’s likely to be an issue.

    But she is our problem and we should be dealing with her not trying to offload our mess on to Bangladesh
    She might not have been tortured, but she'll presumably still have legal bills that the taxpayer will need to pay?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,874
    Evening all :)

    Interesting to see how Sam Coates reported the YouGov numbers this morning. It was almost as though he was trying to convince people the Conservatives were leading a poll by listing them first. The Reform share is the lowest since last May's local elections.

    Once again, the glaring differences between pollsters are obvious - the Freshwater poll in the field at or around the same time has very different numbers for Reform, the LDs and Greens for example.

    As for fraud, let's not call a spade a garden implement. Fraud exists even in the best of societies - in the worst, it's endemic and usually perpetuated by the regime and its allies/friends on the rest of the population. Running a country as your personal bank and business is nothing unusual and utilising the resources for the advantage of such allies also hardly without precedent.

    Even in democratic societies, allegations and accusations of fraud by opponents of the Government or in areas controlled by the Opposition occur as a way of undermining support for said Opposition and especially so when the reporting of such allegations comes from a source politically supportive of the Government. That's why there has to be scrupulous impartiality and thorough evidence gathering before fraud can be alleged rather than a politically motivated scare.

    Auditing where and how and by whom public money is spent is or should be a serious business - too often, the mechanisms for measuring such accountability are the first thing to be compromised if a Government or regime starts to move away from democratic norms including scrutiny to a less balanced regimen.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,428
    edited 6:29PM

    I don't see tackle the Budget Deficit of well over a hundred billion pounds per annum instead as an option?

    We can't afford to do any of the above.

    You might be able to do things that reduced people's costs by £1,000 a year that didn't involve the government spending any money.

    For example, if competition rules were changed so that increased competition led to lower costs in a sector which currently has monopolistic profits. Or if rents were reduced as a result of increases in housing supply.
    Net Zero rules changing would almost certainly lead to lower costs for energy because the subsidies for production and infrastructure would go, together with transition penalties, but at the cost of delays in reducing emissions.

    We probably don't need MoTs on new cars until they are 5 years old now, not 3 years old.
    Why? Doesn't the MOT mainly check wear parts? Tyres, brakes, steering components, suspension components, boots, bushes, dampers, springs, drop links, ball joints, track rod ends and structural corrosion? All susceptible to wear on your electric vehicle.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,034
    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer to make a press statement at 7PM UK time

    Brace brace

    https://x.com/osint613/status/2011129851349254293?s=61

    So he's invading

    a) Iraq?
    b) Minnesota?
    c) The BBC? or
    d) France (just on general principles. It's been a while)
    He’s invading Alaska as he saw on a map that, like Greenland, it’s essential for US security and has loads of resources.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,249
    edited 6:35PM
    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer to make a press statement at 7PM UK time

    Brace brace

    https://x.com/osint613/status/2011129851349254293?s=61

    Brace!

    To play the devil’s advocate, as someone who gives the. US president more credit than most on this forum, could the Iran situation be one in which a totally crazy and unpredictable Trump might actually be a positive?

    The ayatollas have no idea what may or may not be coming their way, and it’s already been demonstrated that they can hit Iran hard without them noticing until boom.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,700
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Interesting to see how Sam Coates reported the YouGov numbers this morning. It was almost as though he was trying to convince people the Conservatives were leading a poll by listing them first. The Reform share is the lowest since last May's local elections.

    Once again, the glaring differences between pollsters are obvious - the Freshwater poll in the field at or around the same time has very different numbers for Reform, the LDs and Greens for example.

    As for fraud, let's not call a spade a garden implement. Fraud exists even in the best of societies - in the worst, it's endemic and usually perpetuated by the regime and its allies/friends on the rest of the population. Running a country as your personal bank and business is nothing unusual and utilising the resources for the advantage of such allies also hardly without precedent.

    Even in democratic societies, allegations and accusations of fraud by opponents of the Government or in areas controlled by the Opposition occur as a way of undermining support for said Opposition and especially so when the reporting of such allegations comes from a source politically supportive of the Government. That's why there has to be scrupulous impartiality and thorough evidence gathering before fraud can be alleged rather than a politically motivated scare.

    Auditing where and how and by whom public money is spent is or should be a serious business - too often, the mechanisms for measuring such accountability are the first thing to be compromised if a Government or regime starts to move away from democratic norms including scrutiny to a less balanced regimen.

    My impression of the UK is that large scale Government fraud isn't a massive thing (I could be wrong) but that influence buying is a huge and massively corrosive thing, that undermines not only the nation's finances but its very security. It's mainly the big US corporates benefitting, but China is a close second.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,030

    I don't see tackle the Budget Deficit of well over a hundred billion pounds per annum instead as an option?

    We can't afford to do any of the above.

    You might be able to do things that reduced people's costs by £1,000 a year that didn't involve the government spending any money.

    For example, if competition rules were changed so that increased competition led to lower costs in a sector which currently has monopolistic profits. Or if rents were reduced as a result of increases in housing supply.
    Net Zero rules changing would almost certainly lead to lower costs for energy because the subsidies for production and infrastructure would go, together with transition penalties, but at the cost of delays in reducing emissions.

    We probably don't need MoTs on new cars until they are 5 years old now, not 3 years old.
    Why? Doesn't the MOT mainly check wear parts? Tyres, brakes, steering components, suspension components, boots, bushes, dampers, springs, drop links, ball joints, track rod ends and structural corrosion? All susceptible to wear on your electric vehicle.
    I'd switch it to mileage, with age as a fallback, given modern building techniques.

    First check at 40,000 miles or 4 years, whichever comes first.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,119
    edited 6:37PM

    I don't see tackle the Budget Deficit of well over a hundred billion pounds per annum instead as an option?

    We can't afford to do any of the above.

    You might be able to do things that reduced people's costs by £1,000 a year that didn't involve the government spending any money.

    For example, if competition rules were changed so that increased competition led to lower costs in a sector which currently has monopolistic profits. Or if rents were reduced as a result of increases in housing supply.
    Net Zero rules changing would almost certainly lead to lower costs for energy because the subsidies for production and infrastructure would go, together with transition penalties, but at the cost of delays in reducing emissions.

    We probably don't need MoTs on new cars until they are 5 years old now, not 3 years old.
    Yet if we'd been quicker about renewables, the government and our economy more widely would have saved billions in costs when gas prices soared in 2022.

    I think the biggest source of our current predicament is we have been largely protected during recent crises - e.g. household savings were 5x higher than normal during COVID, £80 billion on energy cost support during Ukraine. These kinds of events should hurt and yet we've just borrowed to support it all. Our fiscal position doesn't actually look so bad if you strip those two out.

    (MOTs are a weird one because very few collisions are caused by mechanical faults, yet they must cost drivers billions in costs each year. Compared with something like a 20mph limit the cost-benefit is completely out of whack.)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,030
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer to make a press statement at 7PM UK time

    Brace brace

    https://x.com/osint613/status/2011129851349254293?s=61

    Brace!

    To play the devil’s advocate, as someone who gives the. US president more credit than most on this forum, could the Iran situation be one in which a totally crazy and unpredictable Trump might actually be a positive? The ayatollas have no idea what may or may not be coming their way.
    No.

    But do they care?

    And also, I think it unlikely Trump will be shooting at them directly for all his bluster. He may greenlight Israel to strike instead.

    But then, as I said, logic and Mr Trump parted company many years ago.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,874
    I've just seen this...

    https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2026-01-13/plaid-cymru-surges-ahead-of-reform-as-labour-in-fourth-place-in-latest-itv-poll

    Dreadful poll for Reform and Labour with the numbers suggesting Plaid are very close to taking majority control of the Senedd.

    The Westminster numbers are (changes on the July 2024 GE):

    Plaid 29 (+14)
    Reform 25 (+8)
    Lab 13 (-24)
    Con 12 (-6)
    Green 12 (+7)
    Lib Dem 6 (-0.5)
    Other 2 (-0.5)

    Astonishing numbers...
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,387
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer to make a press statement at 7PM UK time

    Brace brace

    https://x.com/osint613/status/2011129851349254293?s=61

    Brace!

    To play the devil’s advocate, as someone who gives the. US president more credit than most on this forum, could the Iran situation be one in which a totally crazy and Trump might actually be a positive? The ayatollas have no idea what may or may not be coming their way.
    I can't imagine it happening, but if he managed to finagle a peaceful coup and Melania as the country's queen then it'd be hats off.

    What's more likely is that he'll agree a deal where "Trump resources" have a 50% share in all oil sales, and that the new government represents a transition. Until.. (when does the oil run out, Pete?). Ah yes until 2049. It's been the best deal for the Iranians, the best, like never before, for everyone really.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,700
    edited 6:40PM
    Eabhal said:

    I don't see tackle the Budget Deficit of well over a hundred billion pounds per annum instead as an option?

    We can't afford to do any of the above.

    You might be able to do things that reduced people's costs by £1,000 a year that didn't involve the government spending any money.

    For example, if competition rules were changed so that increased competition led to lower costs in a sector which currently has monopolistic profits. Or if rents were reduced as a result of increases in housing supply.
    Net Zero rules changing would almost certainly lead to lower costs for energy because the subsidies for production and infrastructure would go, together with transition penalties, but at the cost of delays in reducing emissions.

    We probably don't need MoTs on new cars until they are 5 years old now, not 3 years old.
    Yet if we'd been quicker about renewables, the government and our economy more widely would have saved billions in costs when gas prices soared in 2022.

    I think the biggest source of our current predicament is we have been largely protected during recent crises - e.g. household savings were 5x higher than normal during COVID, £80 billion on energy cost support during Ukraine. These kinds of events should hurt and yet we've just borrowed to support it all.
    The energy picture in the UK is worsening, not getting better. The removal of VAT is a tacit admission of this. It follows that the further down the current trajectory we were at the time of the energy crisis, the more screwed we'd have been.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,310

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Interesting to see how Sam Coates reported the YouGov numbers this morning. It was almost as though he was trying to convince people the Conservatives were leading a poll by listing them first. The Reform share is the lowest since last May's local elections.

    Once again, the glaring differences between pollsters are obvious - the Freshwater poll in the field at or around the same time has very different numbers for Reform, the LDs and Greens for example.

    As for fraud, let's not call a spade a garden implement. Fraud exists even in the best of societies - in the worst, it's endemic and usually perpetuated by the regime and its allies/friends on the rest of the population. Running a country as your personal bank and business is nothing unusual and utilising the resources for the advantage of such allies also hardly without precedent.

    Even in democratic societies, allegations and accusations of fraud by opponents of the Government or in areas controlled by the Opposition occur as a way of undermining support for said Opposition and especially so when the reporting of such allegations comes from a source politically supportive of the Government. That's why there has to be scrupulous impartiality and thorough evidence gathering before fraud can be alleged rather than a politically motivated scare.

    Auditing where and how and by whom public money is spent is or should be a serious business - too often, the mechanisms for measuring such accountability are the first thing to be compromised if a Government or regime starts to move away from democratic norms including scrutiny to a less balanced regimen.

    My impression of the UK is that large scale Government fraud isn't a massive thing (I could be wrong) but that influence buying is a huge and massively corrosive thing, that undermines not only the nation's finances but its very security. It's mainly the big US corporates benefitting, but China is a close second.
    I think the difference in the UK is that who you know is as important as how much money you can offer.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,428
    ydoethur said:

    Claims about fraud in Minnesota are fact-checked here:

    https://www.minnpost.com/other-nonprofit-media/2026/01/heres-whats-really-happening-with-child-care-fraud-in-minnesota-explained/

    Short version - there is a problem, but it's not a major one and the original source for the 'billions' claim is from a disgruntled and disgraced former state attorney via a well known forger and liar with a deep loathing of Somalis.

    One of the problems is the radical right not only own the media but know how to exploit it. They are really effective at getting their bullshit message across.

    I watch loads of Dem and Reagan-era Republican YouTube channels and they are pretty much all very ineffective. The clickbait thumbnails inevitably disappoint. They sell a breaking story as the end of Trump, or Vance, or Noem, or Hegseth and they are no such thing. The production values of the right wing offering is Disney quality whilst the Dem offering is like something by S4C from circa 1990.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,030
    Penddu2 said:
    Oh if the Tories could pick up a few more and somehow come fourth with Labour fifth, I will laugh so much I might actually cause a small earthquake.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,874

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Interesting to see how Sam Coates reported the YouGov numbers this morning. It was almost as though he was trying to convince people the Conservatives were leading a poll by listing them first. The Reform share is the lowest since last May's local elections.

    Once again, the glaring differences between pollsters are obvious - the Freshwater poll in the field at or around the same time has very different numbers for Reform, the LDs and Greens for example.

    As for fraud, let's not call a spade a garden implement. Fraud exists even in the best of societies - in the worst, it's endemic and usually perpetuated by the regime and its allies/friends on the rest of the population. Running a country as your personal bank and business is nothing unusual and utilising the resources for the advantage of such allies also hardly without precedent.

    Even in democratic societies, allegations and accusations of fraud by opponents of the Government or in areas controlled by the Opposition occur as a way of undermining support for said Opposition and especially so when the reporting of such allegations comes from a source politically supportive of the Government. That's why there has to be scrupulous impartiality and thorough evidence gathering before fraud can be alleged rather than a politically motivated scare.

    Auditing where and how and by whom public money is spent is or should be a serious business - too often, the mechanisms for measuring such accountability are the first thing to be compromised if a Government or regime starts to move away from democratic norms including scrutiny to a less balanced regimen.

    My impression of the UK is that large scale Government fraud isn't a massive thing (I could be wrong) but that influence buying is a huge and massively corrosive thing, that undermines not only the nation's finances but its very security. It's mainly the big US corporates benefitting, but China is a close second.
    My experience in local Government accords with the first part of that. Money was spent poorly and inefficiently but not fraudulently - contracts were often poor for the authority financially and the employment of over-paid consultants and contractors far from value but in terms of actual fraud, very small if not insignificant.

    Part of the inefficiency of spend but also part of the reason why there was little or no fraud was the fact the budgets were so widely spread - a lot of people had a little money and as I always told senior people "it's easy to give someone a budget but try taking it away from them and see how far you get". This meant getting financial co-ordination for large scale projects often took a lot of time and required a lot of budget approval even for small amounts.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,190
    Taz said:

    The Trumpdozer to make a press statement at 7PM UK time

    Brace brace

    https://x.com/osint613/status/2011129851349254293?s=61

    Standing down so soon?
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