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He’s making a list, he’s checking it twice, – politicalbetting.com

The public have predicted Santa’s naughty list – and Donald Trump tops the charts for the second year running??But one thing has changed: the first woman makes the list, just behind the top five – Brits expect Rachel Reeves to feature in 6th place (37%).

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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,626
    First?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,178
    If you want to watch a weird Xmas themed movie, try "Fat Man" with Mel Gibson as Chris Cringle. Or you can find something better to do with your time. It was a turkey.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,051
    No Putin?

    What's a chap got to do to get noticed?

    Amazing that striking junior medics share the accolades at the top of the nice list.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,580
    Battlebus said:

    If you want to watch a weird Xmas themed movie, try "Fat Man" with Mel Gibson as Chris Cringle. Or you can find something better to do with your time. It was a turkey.

    Sounds like a perfect Christmas movie.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,509
    Looks like I am going to need a bigger stocking....
  • isamisam Posts: 43,249
    “Politicians sometimes think it's just all about delivery… that's not how life works.”

    Comedian @MattForde critiques the current government's lack of emotional connection with the public.

    @HugoRifkind | #TimesRadio


    https://x.com/timesradio/status/2003527247630631210?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,580
    Archer out of the Ashes.

    Pope dropped for the only other batsman, who hasn’t been able to buy a run for months.

    Bashir still the number one spinner but not playing, while Jacks takes 2/231 and retains his spot.

    Duckett under investigation for being even drunker than normal.

    There were only three things wrong with this Ashes tour - they picked the wrong squad, played the wrong team and prepared the wrong way.

    And we thought that previous Ashes tours since 2013 had been disastrous.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,938
    Christmas Eve. What time is Die Hard on?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,339
    Did we cover this?

    Reginald D Hunter: Summons against comic by Campaign Against Antisemitism quashed for seeking to have him 'cancelled'

    The judge said the CAA "misled" him over comments Hunter made to Heidi Bachram on X, and failed to inform him of a previous compliance probe.


    A judge has quashed a summons against comedian Reginald D Hunter, brought privately by Campaign Against Antisemitism, ruling it "abusive" and intended to get the comedian "cancelled".

    The 56-year-old US comic had been accused of three counts of sending an offensive communication on three different occasions - 24 August, 10 September and 11 September last year - to Heidi Bachram on X.

    District Judge Michael Snow quashed the summons on Tuesday at Westminster Magistrates' Court following an application by the defence.

    He ruled the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) charity's motive in seeking to prosecute Hunter was "to have him cancelled", and the prosecution was "abusive".

    The CAA describes itself as a volunteer-led charity, "dedicated to exposing and countering antisemitism through education and zero-tolerance enforcement of the law".

    In his ruling, Judge Snow said: "The CAA have demonstrated by the misleading and partial way in which it summarised its application and its wilful, repeated, failure to meet its disclosure obligations, that its true and sole motive in seeking to prosecute Reginald Hunter is to have him cancelled.

    "I have no doubt that the prosecution is abusive.

    "My view of the conduct of the CAA is consistent with them as an organisation which is not 'playing it straight' but is seeking to use the criminal justice system, in this case for improper reasons."

    Judge Snow said the summary of Ms Bachram's tweeting in the application case summary was "wholly inadequate".

    He added: "It did not reveal the extent of her tweets directed against Reginald Hunter in the period immediately preceding the complaints (her tweets were sent between 15 August and 11 September 2024).

    "The summary misled me into believing that his comments were addressed to her involvement with the Jewish faith as opposed to his response to attempts that were being made to have him 'cancelled'."

    The judge said the CAA had failed to inform him of a compliance investigation by the Charity Commission into the CAA in November 2024.


    https://news.sky.com/story/reginald-d-hunter-summons-against-comic-by-campaign-against-antisemitism-quashed-for-seeking-to-have-him-cancelled-13487040
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,938
    Anyone who wants to avoid the relatives over the holidays - good news! Only 1% of the Epstein files have been released so far.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV_oZsBBERs
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,377
    edited 8:06AM
    Good morning everyone.

    Photo for the day. The Muffin Top Destroyer - why the Arleigh-Burke hull is at the end of its lifecycle.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,107

    Did we cover this?

    Reginald D Hunter: Summons against comic by Campaign Against Antisemitism quashed for seeking to have him 'cancelled'

    The judge said the CAA "misled" him over comments Hunter made to Heidi Bachram on X, and failed to inform him of a previous compliance probe.


    A judge has quashed a summons against comedian Reginald D Hunter, brought privately by Campaign Against Antisemitism, ruling it "abusive" and intended to get the comedian "cancelled".

    The 56-year-old US comic had been accused of three counts of sending an offensive communication on three different occasions - 24 August, 10 September and 11 September last year - to Heidi Bachram on X.

    District Judge Michael Snow quashed the summons on Tuesday at Westminster Magistrates' Court following an application by the defence.

    He ruled the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) charity's motive in seeking to prosecute Hunter was "to have him cancelled", and the prosecution was "abusive".

    The CAA describes itself as a volunteer-led charity, "dedicated to exposing and countering antisemitism through education and zero-tolerance enforcement of the law".

    In his ruling, Judge Snow said: "The CAA have demonstrated by the misleading and partial way in which it summarised its application and its wilful, repeated, failure to meet its disclosure obligations, that its true and sole motive in seeking to prosecute Reginald Hunter is to have him cancelled.

    "I have no doubt that the prosecution is abusive.

    "My view of the conduct of the CAA is consistent with them as an organisation which is not 'playing it straight' but is seeking to use the criminal justice system, in this case for improper reasons."

    Judge Snow said the summary of Ms Bachram's tweeting in the application case summary was "wholly inadequate".

    He added: "It did not reveal the extent of her tweets directed against Reginald Hunter in the period immediately preceding the complaints (her tweets were sent between 15 August and 11 September 2024).

    "The summary misled me into believing that his comments were addressed to her involvement with the Jewish faith as opposed to his response to attempts that were being made to have him 'cancelled'."

    The judge said the CAA had failed to inform him of a compliance investigation by the Charity Commission into the CAA in November 2024.


    https://news.sky.com/story/reginald-d-hunter-summons-against-comic-by-campaign-against-antisemitism-quashed-for-seeking-to-have-him-cancelled-13487040

    Judge is Hamas obviously.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,051
    It looks like I've passed the bug I had over the weekend on to my wife.

    So it would be very uncaring for us to visit any relatives over Christmas and risk the spread of infection.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,377
    edited 8:08AM

    Did we cover this?

    Reginald D Hunter: Summons against comic by Campaign Against Antisemitism quashed for seeking to have him 'cancelled'

    The judge said the CAA "misled" him over comments Hunter made to Heidi Bachram on X, and failed to inform him of a previous compliance probe.


    A judge has quashed a summons against comedian Reginald D Hunter, brought privately by Campaign Against Antisemitism, ruling it "abusive" and intended to get the comedian "cancelled".

    The 56-year-old US comic had been accused of three counts of sending an offensive communication on three different occasions - 24 August, 10 September and 11 September last year - to Heidi Bachram on X.

    District Judge Michael Snow quashed the summons on Tuesday at Westminster Magistrates' Court following an application by the defence.

    He ruled the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) charity's motive in seeking to prosecute Hunter was "to have him cancelled", and the prosecution was "abusive".

    The CAA describes itself as a volunteer-led charity, "dedicated to exposing and countering antisemitism through education and zero-tolerance enforcement of the law".

    In his ruling, Judge Snow said: "The CAA have demonstrated by the misleading and partial way in which it summarised its application and its wilful, repeated, failure to meet its disclosure obligations, that its true and sole motive in seeking to prosecute Reginald Hunter is to have him cancelled.

    "I have no doubt that the prosecution is abusive.

    "My view of the conduct of the CAA is consistent with them as an organisation which is not 'playing it straight' but is seeking to use the criminal justice system, in this case for improper reasons."

    Judge Snow said the summary of Ms Bachram's tweeting in the application case summary was "wholly inadequate".

    He added: "It did not reveal the extent of her tweets directed against Reginald Hunter in the period immediately preceding the complaints (her tweets were sent between 15 August and 11 September 2024).

    "The summary misled me into believing that his comments were addressed to her involvement with the Jewish faith as opposed to his response to attempts that were being made to have him 'cancelled'."

    The judge said the CAA had failed to inform him of a compliance investigation by the Charity Commission into the CAA in November 2024.


    https://news.sky.com/story/reginald-d-hunter-summons-against-comic-by-campaign-against-antisemitism-quashed-for-seeking-to-have-him-cancelled-13487040

    Two aspects of that strike me:

    1 - That is the first officially recognised misconduct question for the CAA that has been on my radar in quite a long period of following them to an extent but not in massive detail. I may have missed things, but I have thought of them as reasonably reliable - in stark contrast to say the PCS.

    2 - It is about inadequate disclosure, which is a huge problem in our UK system.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,377

    Christmas Eve. What time is Die Hard on?

    Last week :smile: .
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,178
    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Photo for the day. The Muffin Top Destroyer - why the Arleigh-Burke hull is at the end of its lifecycle.

    Looks like a job for RFK Jr and his campaign against obesity.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,299
    ydoethur said:

    Archer out of the Ashes.

    Pope dropped for the only other batsman, who hasn’t been able to buy a run for months.

    Bashir still the number one spinner but not playing, while Jacks takes 2/231 and retains his spot.

    Duckett under investigation for being even drunker than normal.

    There were only three things wrong with this Ashes tour - they picked the wrong squad, played the wrong team and prepared the wrong way.

    And we thought that previous Ashes tours since 2013 had been disastrous.

    So who would you have picked?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,171
    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,299
    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.

    Is there a ghastly list

    Angela Raymer would come top imho.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,339
    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.

    To think he was an IRA attack away from being the King.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,285

    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.

    Is there a ghastly list

    Angela Raymer would come top imho.

    Across the whole world, Ange is the best you can come up with? Must try harder!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,509
    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Photo for the day. The Muffin Top Destroyer - why the Arleigh-Burke hull is at the end of its lifecycle.

    Is that the new USS Bone Spur class?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,580

    ydoethur said:

    Archer out of the Ashes.

    Pope dropped for the only other batsman, who hasn’t been able to buy a run for months.

    Bashir still the number one spinner but not playing, while Jacks takes 2/231 and retains his spot.

    Duckett under investigation for being even drunker than normal.

    There were only three things wrong with this Ashes tour - they picked the wrong squad, played the wrong team and prepared the wrong way.

    And we thought that previous Ashes tours since 2013 had been disastrous.

    So who would you have picked?
    Hameed or Lees for Crawley.*

    The other for Pope.

    Haines or Charlesworth as spare batsman.

    Leach or Ahmed for Bashir.

    Foakes for Smith.

    These problems were all obvious last winter in India (and indeed last summer against India). But we carried on in the same old way and the result has unfortunately looked inevitable for some time.

    It's not just that though. It's about longer term preparation. How has it helped Bashir or Bethel to never play first class cricket? Clearly it hasn't. How has it helped Crawley or Pope or Brook to tell them they can continue playing silly shots and there will be no consequences other than England losing a match? Clearly it hasn't. How has it helped to have a keeper whose keeping is less than stellar because he's a somewhat better batsman than the alternatives? Clearly it hasn't. How has it helped to play golf instead of first class tour games? Clearly it hasn't.

    I think we were always likely to lose the Ashes - let's face it, one win in 40 years tells its own story. But it's the level of denial about the issues that England brought with them that has made this look especially abject.

    *For those who think they have been tried by England and not succeeded, that was true of Duckett first time around as well.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,325
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Photo for the day. The Muffin Top Destroyer - why the Arleigh-Burke hull is at the end of its lifecycle.

    Is that the new USS Bone Spur class?
    Those must be the most spacious heads of any ship in any of the world's navies - and the good overhang must really reduce the staining which is always so embarassing when visiting ports.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,377
    edited 8:42AM
    Battlebus said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Photo for the day. The Muffin Top Destroyer - why the Arleigh-Burke hull is at the end of its lifecycle.

    Looks like a job for RFK Jr and his campaign against obesity.
    One of the interesting things about President Chump's new battleship * is that it has nearly the same level of armament as the Ticonderoga Class cruisers (128 VLS cells being the core), despite weighing about 3x as much and - compared to previous battleships (such as Iowa Class) - it is rather short and fat.

    * Anyone with 2 or more brain cells is calling it a Strike Cruiser, which was a DARPA idea from the late 1970s, and which approximately existed at the end of WW2.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,171

    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.

    To think he was an IRA attack away from being the King.
    With so many IRA operatives working for the security services, it seems a shame they didn’t plan a “spectacular” for Andrew.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,107
    I'd forgotten this bullshit in amongst the tidal wave of bovine sewage we've been treated to. You'd think rather than redacting it they'd be highlighting the massive shift that brave Agent Orange put in in bringing down Epstein.

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUS/status/1964079904124780904?s=20
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,884
    So it appears that “Palestine” isn’t as important a cause as Christmas dinner.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,884
    Fishing said:

    Various glaring omissions.

    In my naughty list Vladimir Putin would make at least 2 of the top 5 places. No doubt AMW's behaviour hasn't been exactly flawless, but I must have missed his war crimes and genocide. And I'm no fan of Starmer, but surely he hasn't been naughtier than Xi Jinping or Kim Jong Un?

    Can the top five not all be Putin?
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 415
    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.


    Change it to Epstein and chums, (ghastly people), and you get top two for one.

    Entitled fuckers make me want to reengage with the class struggle. Extreme inequality enabling the sexual abuse of children. I’m somewhere between nauseated and enraged. I know the world has always been like this, but I don’t like it.

    I had hopes for the contact point database. :(

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,107
    Sandpit said:

    Fishing said:

    Various glaring omissions.

    In my naughty list Vladimir Putin would make at least 2 of the top 5 places. No doubt AMW's behaviour hasn't been exactly flawless, but I must have missed his war crimes and genocide. And I'm no fan of Starmer, but surely he hasn't been naughtier than Xi Jinping or Kim Jong Un?

    Can the top five not all be Putin?
    Gotta be a place for his biggest ally and appeaser surely?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,580

    I'd forgotten this bullshit in amongst the tidal wave of bovine sewage we've been treated to. You'd think rather than redacting it they'd be highlighting the massive shift that brave Agent Orange put in in bringing down Epstein.

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUS/status/1964079904124780904?s=20

    I think Mike Johnson must be feeling the pressure.

    Either that or he's smoking weed.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,884
    ydoethur said:

    Archer out of the Ashes.

    Pope dropped for the only other batsman, who hasn’t been able to buy a run for months.

    Bashir still the number one spinner but not playing, while Jacks takes 2/231 and retains his spot.

    Duckett under investigation for being even drunker than normal.

    There were only three things wrong with this Ashes tour - they picked the wrong squad, played the wrong team and prepared the wrong way.

    And we thought that previous Ashes tours since 2013 had been disastrous.

    They’re a good team, except for the batting, the bowling, and the fielding.

    Can Santa please not deliver us another two-day Test for this weekend!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,377
    edited 8:54AM
    ydoethur said:

    I'd forgotten this bullshit in amongst the tidal wave of bovine sewage we've been treated to. You'd think rather than redacting it they'd be highlighting the massive shift that brave Agent Orange put in in bringing down Epstein.

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUS/status/1964079904124780904?s=20

    I think Mike Johnson must be feeling the pressure.

    Either that or he's smoking weed.
    https://youtu.be/9JKKWJqFpBQ?t=8

    (Bill and Ben, not Donald in Moscow.)

    (There follows a more expressive than usual Trump Cabinet Meeting.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,692

    I only failed to head the Nice List because I ticked the "No publicity" box...

    Looking at most of the company you'd be in, why would you want to be on it anyway ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,692
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Archer out of the Ashes.

    Pope dropped for the only other batsman, who hasn’t been able to buy a run for months.

    Bashir still the number one spinner but not playing, while Jacks takes 2/231 and retains his spot.

    Duckett under investigation for being even drunker than normal.

    There were only three things wrong with this Ashes tour - they picked the wrong squad, played the wrong team and prepared the wrong way.

    And we thought that previous Ashes tours since 2013 had been disastrous.

    They’re a good team, except for the batting, the bowling, and the fielding.

    Can Santa please not deliver us another two-day Test for this weekend!
    You missed out the management, which is worse than all three of those categories.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,884
    Khazakhstan is introducing export controls at their Russian border.

    https://x.com/euromaidanpress/status/2003595984375263475

    Nothing from US, UK, EU, or anything with military use, is allowed to pass.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,059
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Archer out of the Ashes.

    Pope dropped for the only other batsman, who hasn’t been able to buy a run for months.

    Bashir still the number one spinner but not playing, while Jacks takes 2/231 and retains his spot.

    Duckett under investigation for being even drunker than normal.

    There were only three things wrong with this Ashes tour - they picked the wrong squad, played the wrong team and prepared the wrong way.

    And we thought that previous Ashes tours since 2013 had been disastrous.

    They’re a good team, except for the batting, the bowling, and the fielding.

    Can Santa please not deliver us another two-day Test for this weekend!
    Barney Ronay has reported on the post mortem.
    One required change is fairly clear!

    Archer overbowled again? Wood?
    Picking bowlers for their batting because the batters aren't performing...
    England management don't just learn from their mistakes, they perfect them.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,692
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Photo for the day. The Muffin Top Destroyer - why the Arleigh-Burke hull is at the end of its lifecycle.

    Is that the new USS Bone Spur class?
    It's actually a pretty effective vessel, and one if the longest serving types is history, which they're still struggling to develop a replacement for (see the Zumwalt, for example).
    US naval planning has been a bit of a shitshow, and Trump is set to make it worse.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,051

    Sandpit said:

    Fishing said:

    Various glaring omissions.

    In my naughty list Vladimir Putin would make at least 2 of the top 5 places. No doubt AMW's behaviour hasn't been exactly flawless, but I must have missed his war crimes and genocide. And I'm no fan of Starmer, but surely he hasn't been naughtier than Xi Jinping or Kim Jong Un?

    Can the top five not all be Putin?
    Gotta be a place for his biggest ally and appeaser surely?
    Modi? Definitely up there.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,343
    Sandpit said:

    Khazakhstan is introducing export controls at their Russian border.

    https://x.com/euromaidanpress/status/2003595984375263475

    Nothing from US, UK, EU, or anything with military use, is allowed to pass.

    Good morning, everyone.

    From the little I've read/watched, it seems the central Asian republics are both co-operating a bit more with each other, and that China is very keen to fully replace Russia as the power in that region.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,746
    Morning all :)

    "Nice" and "Naughty" are as nebulous and subjective as "left" and "right" these days.....

    The important IPSOS polling is the other one from yesterday - the top four issues are Immigration, the Economy, NHS and Inflation. Now, you can argue the second and fourth are conflated to an extent or to put it another way:

    1) Foreigners
    2) Why does everything cost so much?
    3) Why can't I get to see my Doctor in the next month because I'm in pain?

    Resolve or mitigate any two of the above and you're pretty much guaranteed to be the next Government or, more accurately, convince enough people you can resolve or mitigate any two of the above and you will be the next Government.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,562
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Photo for the day. The Muffin Top Destroyer - why the Arleigh-Burke hull is at the end of its lifecycle.

    Is that the new USS Bone Spur class?
    It's actually a pretty effective vessel, and one if the longest serving types is history, which they're still struggling to develop a replacement for (see the Zumwalt, for example).
    US naval planning has been a bit of a shitshow, and Trump is set to make it worse.
    they have a shitload in service and still building them
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,059
    Sandpit said:

    Fishing said:

    Various glaring omissions.

    In my naughty list Vladimir Putin would make at least 2 of the top 5 places. No doubt AMW's behaviour hasn't been exactly flawless, but I must have missed his war crimes and genocide. And I'm no fan of Starmer, but surely he hasn't been naughtier than Xi Jinping or Kim Jong Un?

    Can the top five not all be Putin?
    Putin
    Netanyahu
    Trump
    MBS
    Musk / Zuckerberg

    Nice list is harder

    Dementia carers
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,580
    Sandpit said:

    Khazakhstan is introducing export controls at their Russian border.

    https://x.com/euromaidanpress/status/2003595984375263475

    Nothing from US, UK, EU, or anything with military use, is allowed to pass.

    About time. But it also begs the question, why now?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,270
    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.


    Poor Archie...,.. all he had to do was find a grouse!

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,580

    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.


    Poor Archie...,.. all he had to do was find a grouse!

    A from Balmoral sounds a distinctly unpheasant character.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,210
    On a happier note, and before I get down to finishing work before downing tools for the break, I was mulling over @Big_G_NorthWales 's mildly but unnecessarily apologetic comments the other day about remembering charities such as the RNLI at this time of year. They had prompted a thought that was still buzzing around - but the fly has now landed on the lampshade. It was that what is interesting about his proud reports of LittleG in his RIB or Shannon or whatever it is is that they give a sense of the activities, and just as importantly of the commitment needed, of a single person working as crew, month by month. Mostly what one gets is collective reports (and rightly so) but one is never quite sure how many people are involved.

    Also reflecting on some of the discussions on here about young people, the AI problem, and education at all ages. I do worry about those issues ... I'd, as it happens, just made a donation to a group towards its fund to help students (of all ages and whether in formal courses or not) with the costs of their own projects etc. Not a big charity, quite the reverse, but as a professional body I know it'll spend the money well (and we get to see the students' short reports in the regular newsletter).

    Best wishes of the season to all.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,270
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Khazakhstan is introducing export controls at their Russian border.

    https://x.com/euromaidanpress/status/2003595984375263475

    Nothing from US, UK, EU, or anything with military use, is allowed to pass.

    About time. But it also begs the question, why now?
    It's more important that, case as stated, NOTHING 'military' is allowed to go into Russia. From anywhere. Means, of course, that some Khazak hi-tech companies have got to find alternative outlets for their products.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,690

    Did we cover this?

    Reginald D Hunter: Summons against comic by Campaign Against Antisemitism quashed for seeking to have him 'cancelled'

    The judge said the CAA "misled" him over comments Hunter made to Heidi Bachram on X, and failed to inform him of a previous compliance probe.


    A judge has quashed a summons against comedian Reginald D Hunter, brought privately by Campaign Against Antisemitism, ruling it "abusive" and intended to get the comedian "cancelled".

    The 56-year-old US comic had been accused of three counts of sending an offensive communication on three different occasions - 24 August, 10 September and 11 September last year - to Heidi Bachram on X.

    District Judge Michael Snow quashed the summons on Tuesday at Westminster Magistrates' Court following an application by the defence.

    He ruled the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) charity's motive in seeking to prosecute Hunter was "to have him cancelled", and the prosecution was "abusive".

    The CAA describes itself as a volunteer-led charity, "dedicated to exposing and countering antisemitism through education and zero-tolerance enforcement of the law".

    In his ruling, Judge Snow said: "The CAA have demonstrated by the misleading and partial way in which it summarised its application and its wilful, repeated, failure to meet its disclosure obligations, that its true and sole motive in seeking to prosecute Reginald Hunter is to have him cancelled.

    "I have no doubt that the prosecution is abusive.

    "My view of the conduct of the CAA is consistent with them as an organisation which is not 'playing it straight' but is seeking to use the criminal justice system, in this case for improper reasons."

    Judge Snow said the summary of Ms Bachram's tweeting in the application case summary was "wholly inadequate".

    He added: "It did not reveal the extent of her tweets directed against Reginald Hunter in the period immediately preceding the complaints (her tweets were sent between 15 August and 11 September 2024).

    "The summary misled me into believing that his comments were addressed to her involvement with the Jewish faith as opposed to his response to attempts that were being made to have him 'cancelled'."

    The judge said the CAA had failed to inform him of a compliance investigation by the Charity Commission into the CAA in November 2024.


    https://news.sky.com/story/reginald-d-hunter-summons-against-comic-by-campaign-against-antisemitism-quashed-for-seeking-to-have-him-cancelled-13487040

    Judge is Hamas obviously.
    This is trully scary! Step out of line and we will find you....Liora Rez

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=liora+rez+speech#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:ba73b276,vid:nF1jxn4BMHM,st:0
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,171
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.


    Poor Archie...,.. all he had to do was find a grouse!

    A from Balmoral sounds a distinctly unpheasant character.
    In olden times, his brother officers would have would have left him in a locked room, with a bottle of brandy, and a revolver with a single bullet in it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,210
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Photo for the day. The Muffin Top Destroyer - why the Arleigh-Burke hull is at the end of its lifecycle.

    Is that the new USS Bone Spur class?
    It's actually a pretty effective vessel, and one if the longest serving types is history, which they're still struggling to develop a replacement for (see the Zumwalt, for example).
    US naval planning has been a bit of a shitshow, and Trump is set to make it worse.
    The thing about postwar warships is how bulky they were compared to WW2 and how undararmed they can seem to the uninitiated. Their missiles and electronics were huge. The RN County class were basically a huge missile hangar with a production or rather assembly line with rails leading aft to a huge moveable launcher ramp, and the radars plonked on top, with a few other bits and bobs added such as 2 z twin 4.5 guns. Friedman's books were good on that sort of thing - also David Brown RCNC. I wonder how far that trend has reversed with simple ready use vertical launchers and modern miniatyure electronics.

    But also crews in the post-conscription era want better facilities and food (still gash compared with civilian life outside prisons and farmers' mobile homes for their imported labourers).
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,580
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.


    Poor Archie...,.. all he had to do was find a grouse!

    A from Balmoral sounds a distinctly unpheasant character.
    In olden times, his brother officers would have would have left him in a locked room, with a bottle of brandy, and a revolver with a single bullet in it.
    I'm not sure I'd waste good brandy on him.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,592
    the thing these lists says to me is how popular Marin Lewis is.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,107
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.


    Poor Archie...,.. all he had to do was find a grouse!

    A from Balmoral sounds a distinctly unpheasant character.
    In olden times, his brother officers would have would have left him in a locked room, with a bottle of brandy, and a revolver with a single bullet in it.
    Not that A's self preserving vanity would allow it but even that avenue has been limited.

    The Sun
    @TheSun
    Tomorrow's front page: Police seize Andy gun licence
    https://thesun.co.uk/royals/3771552

    https://x.com/TheSun/status/2003225484608569385?s=20
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,270
    edited 9:37AM
    Carnyx said:

    On a happier note, and before I get down to finishing work before downing tools for the break, I was mulling over @Big_G_NorthWales 's mildly but unnecessarily apologetic comments the other day about remembering charities such as the RNLI at this time of year. They had prompted a thought that was still buzzing around - but the fly has now landed on the lampshade. It was that what is interesting about his proud reports of LittleG in his RIB or Shannon or whatever it is is that they give a sense of the activities, and just as importantly of the commitment needed, of a single person working as crew, month by month. Mostly what one gets is collective reports (and rightly so) but one is never quite sure how many people are involved.

    Also reflecting on some of the discussions on here about young people, the AI problem, and education at all ages. I do worry about those issues ... I'd, as it happens, just made a donation to a group towards its fund to help students (of all ages and whether in formal courses or not) with the costs of their own projects etc. Not a big charity, quite the reverse, but as a professional body I know it'll spend the money well (and we get to see the students' short reports in the regular newsletter).

    Best wishes of the season to all.

    And best wishes to you and yours Carnyx.

    We had a long email from a cousin in New Zealand yesterday, the usual catch up on family news etc. Of note, in view of your first para, cousins son, a newly qualified policeman in NZ, in his spare time is a skipper on a voluntary coastguard boat. Demanding, and admirable.

    On your second para, back in my days as MD of a small group of pharmacies, for some years I 'hosted' a pharmacy student from Europe for a month or so each year. It was interesting for them to see the differences in practice, for us to hear about it and in several cases we kept up correspondence for a while after they'd gone back to their uni's.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,611
    Good morning

    Is it just social media feeding me things, or has something turned in the US posture towards Europe in the last few days? Not just the usual playground trolling but a new stage where we really are now facing a United States as strategic enemy?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,546

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.


    Poor Archie...,.. all he had to do was find a grouse!

    A from Balmoral sounds a distinctly unpheasant character.
    In olden times, his brother officers would have would have left him in a locked room, with a bottle of brandy, and a revolver with a single bullet in it.
    Not that A's self preserving vanity would allow it but even that avenue has been limited.

    The Sun
    @TheSun
    Tomorrow's front page: Police seize Andy gun licence
    https://thesun.co.uk/royals/3771552

    https://x.com/TheSun/status/2003225484608569385?s=20
    Puzzled at this one. Why?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,462
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Archer out of the Ashes.

    Pope dropped for the only other batsman, who hasn’t been able to buy a run for months.

    Bashir still the number one spinner but not playing, while Jacks takes 2/231 and retains his spot.

    Duckett under investigation for being even drunker than normal.

    There were only three things wrong with this Ashes tour - they picked the wrong squad, played the wrong team and prepared the wrong way.

    And we thought that previous Ashes tours since 2013 had been disastrous.

    They’re a good team, except for the batting, the bowling, and the fielding.

    Can Santa please not deliver us another two-day Test for this weekend!
    27.11 average with the ball and 25.5 with the bat. 2nd best after Stokes, but with a much higher bowling workload.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,178

    Sandpit said:

    Khazakhstan is introducing export controls at their Russian border.

    https://x.com/euromaidanpress/status/2003595984375263475

    Nothing from US, UK, EU, or anything with military use, is allowed to pass.

    Good morning, everyone.

    From the little I've read/watched, it seems the central Asian republics are both co-operating a bit more with each other, and that China is very keen to fully replace Russia as the power in that region.
    They are reportedly installing ICBM silos along the Mongolian border to aim at Taiwan (?) apparently.

    https://kfgo.com/2025/12/22/exclusive-china-likely-loaded-more-than-100-icbms-in-silo-fields-pentagon-report-says/
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,270
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Photo for the day. The Muffin Top Destroyer - why the Arleigh-Burke hull is at the end of its lifecycle.

    Is that the new USS Bone Spur class?
    It's actually a pretty effective vessel, and one if the longest serving types is history, which they're still struggling to develop a replacement for (see the Zumwalt, for example).
    US naval planning has been a bit of a shitshow, and Trump is set to make it worse.
    The thing about postwar warships is how bulky they were compared to WW2 and how undararmed they can seem to the uninitiated. Their missiles and electronics were huge. The RN County class were basically a huge missile hangar with a production or rather assembly line with rails leading aft to a huge moveable launcher ramp, and the radars plonked on top, with a few other bits and bobs added such as 2 z twin 4.5 guns. Friedman's books were good on that sort of thing - also David Brown RCNC. I wonder how far that trend has reversed with simple ready use vertical launchers and modern miniatyure electronics.

    But also crews in the post-conscription era want better facilities and food (still gash compared with civilian life outside prisons and farmers' mobile homes for their imported labourers).
    I wonder how much study is being given by the rest of NATO's navies to the activities of their (soon to be?) colleagues in the Ukranian Navy?
    A lot, I hope.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,377
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Photo for the day. The Muffin Top Destroyer - why the Arleigh-Burke hull is at the end of its lifecycle.

    Is that the new USS Bone Spur class?
    It's actually a pretty effective vessel, and one if the longest serving types is history, which they're still struggling to develop a replacement for (see the Zumwalt, for example).
    US naval planning has been a bit of a shitshow, and Trump is set to make it worse.
    That's a fair summary.

    They have now failed with 3 series of ships in a row = Zumwalt destroyer, Littoral Combat Ship and recently the Frigate which Sub-Lieutenant Hegseth just cancelled.

    Personally I think that the current idea to upscale the Coastguard Cutter is likely to wreck that programme as well, rather than save the other by transferring relative success.

    Imo the USN is much further up shit creek than we have been, without a paddle, or a boat, or a working shipyard, or a workforce, or an incorrupt Congress, or any of the other bits they need.

    There was a video I saw the other day arguing that they should start building Oliver Hazard Perry Frigates again. These were commissioned into the USN from 1977 to 1989, so it's a 55 year old design.

    I think they will end up suspending the "build in USA only" practice for a period, to cover the interim, and do something like order 20 Mogami (or improved Mogami) class from Japan, built in Japan, at one or two per year.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,690
    Netanyahu=
    Trump=
    Farage
    Tice
    Dacre
    Liora Rez (AKA Morticia Addams)

    Zack
    Zelensky
    Macron
    Carney
    Davey
    Thumberg
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,270
    MelonB said:

    Good morning

    Is it just social media feeding me things, or has something turned in the US posture towards Europe in the last few days? Not just the usual playground trolling but a new stage where we really are now facing a United States as strategic enemy?

    Standing with Denmark?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,692
    .
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Photo for the day. The Muffin Top Destroyer - why the Arleigh-Burke hull is at the end of its lifecycle.

    Is that the new USS Bone Spur class?
    It's actually a pretty effective vessel, and one if the longest serving types is history, which they're still struggling to develop a replacement for (see the Zumwalt, for example).
    US naval planning has been a bit of a shitshow, and Trump is set to make it worse.
    The thing about postwar warships is how bulky they were compared to WW2 and how undararmed they can seem to the uninitiated. Their missiles and electronics were huge. The RN County class were basically a huge missile hangar with a production or rather assembly line with rails leading aft to a huge moveable launcher ramp, and the radars plonked on top, with a few other bits and bobs added such as 2 z twin 4.5 guns. Friedman's books were good on that sort of thing - also David Brown RCNC. I wonder how far that trend has reversed with simple ready use vertical launchers and modern miniatyure electronics.

    But also crews in the post-conscription era want better facilities and food (still gash compared with civilian life outside prisons and farmers' mobile homes for their imported labourers).
    Perhaps not so much, since a decent number of VLS takes up a lot of space, as does decent radar (which also requires a lot of electrical power).

    And it's all getting more complicated, because the postwar USN has never had anything close to a peer adversary, but that's likely to change with China's shipbuilding efforts.
    Along with new threats like naval drones and hypersonics.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,173
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Archer out of the Ashes.

    Pope dropped for the only other batsman, who hasn’t been able to buy a run for months.

    Bashir still the number one spinner but not playing, while Jacks takes 2/231 and retains his spot.

    Duckett under investigation for being even drunker than normal.

    There were only three things wrong with this Ashes tour - they picked the wrong squad, played the wrong team and prepared the wrong way.

    And we thought that previous Ashes tours since 2013 had been disastrous.

    They’re a good team, except for the batting, the bowling, and the fielding.

    Can Santa please not deliver us another two-day Test for this weekend!
    27.11 average with the ball and 25.5 with the bat. 2nd best after Stokes, but with a much higher bowling workload.
    Going by the performance of several of the others you're almost tempted to play him as a batsman.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,166
    Pre-match warm up

    Tidy up mess the Vicar made today (9,3)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,365
    MattW said:

    Christmas Eve. What time is Die Hard on?

    Last week :smile: .
    Die Hard can be downstreamed from Channel 4 for the rest of the holiday period:-
    https://www.channel4.com/programmes/die-hard
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,273
    The nice list shows what an asset the Princess of Wales is to the royals. Andrew obviously prominent on the naughty list and a negative so the King stripped him of his titles, Windsor home and roles. Whether Labour are as ruthless with Starmer and Reeves, who as the list shows remain very unpopular, could determine their chances at the next general election. Trump has always been unpopular here but as he is US President that is less relevant to him as he doesn’t need to worry what Brits think of him
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,858
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.

    To think he was an IRA attack away from being the King.
    With so many IRA operatives working for the security services, it seems a shame they didn’t plan a “spectacular” for Andrew.
    There seem to be no depths he won't plumb.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,964
    MelonB said:

    Good morning

    Is it just social media feeding me things, or has something turned in the US posture towards Europe in the last few days? Not just the usual playground trolling but a new stage where we really are now facing a United States as strategic enemy?

    I guess it depends on whether your “we” means the UK and Europe. I personally think, without any evidence but pure gut, that the US would like the UK more distant to the EU but apart from their concerns about the evils of Sadiq Khan and when King Charles is going to convert and declare the UK a caliphate, I think they see us separately.

    They clearly see the EU as, if not an enemy, no longer a friend and it’s a competitor.

    The EU is a trade competitor by virtue of its size and wealth, is a competitor on geopolitical-political influence and to MAGA the EU speak funny languages and have strange customs.

    So I don’t think the US is yet a strategic enemy to “us” but is moving that way to Europe unless Europe shifts to being a nodding dog to Trump and Co.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,858
    Sandpit said:

    So it appears that “Palestine” isn’t as important a cause as Christmas dinner.

    Thank goodness.

    It's stupidly dangerous and irresponsible what they've been doing.

    I hope they don't go back.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,692
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Photo for the day. The Muffin Top Destroyer - why the Arleigh-Burke hull is at the end of its lifecycle.

    Is that the new USS Bone Spur class?
    It's actually a pretty effective vessel, and one if the longest serving types is history, which they're still struggling to develop a replacement for (see the Zumwalt, for example).
    US naval planning has been a bit of a shitshow, and Trump is set to make it worse.
    That's a fair summary.

    They have now failed with 3 series of ships in a row = Zumwalt destroyer, Littoral Combat Ship and recently the Frigate which Sub-Lieutenant Hegseth just cancelled.

    Personally I think that the current idea to upscale the Coastguard Cutter is likely to wreck that programme as well, rather than save the other by transferring relative success.

    Imo the USN is much further up shit creek than we have been, without a paddle, or a boat, or a working shipyard, or a workforce, or an incorrupt Congress, or any of the other bits they need.

    There was a video I saw the other day arguing that they should start building Oliver Hazard Perry Frigates again. These were commissioned into the USN from 1977 to 1989, so it's a 55 year old design.

    I think they will end up suspending the "build in USA only" practice for a period, to cover the interim, and do something like order 20 Mogami (or improved Mogami) class from Japan, built in Japan, at one or two per year.
    The cutter idea seems a nonsense.
    To turn it into an effective fighting vessel it would need to be entirely redesigned; they'd be better if with something purpose built - and as you say there are plenty of good, available foreign alternatives.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,273
    edited 9:55AM
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.


    Poor Archie...,.. all he had to do was find a grouse!

    A from Balmoral sounds a distinctly unpheasant character.
    In olden times, his brother officers would have would have left him in a locked room, with a bottle of brandy, and a revolver with a single bullet in it.
    Andrew should have and will have no further role in public life but apart from being an idiot associating with Epstein and young women is there any evidence he did anything illegal? Even Giuffre was 17 not underage in the UK.

    If Andrew had any sense he would quietly do volunteering work for homeless charities and food banks for the poor in Norfolk, be grateful he still has a home and spend time with his daughters and grandchildren. His ego though is too big for that
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,365
    Happy Christmas shopping day everyone!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,884
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Khazakhstan is introducing export controls at their Russian border.

    https://x.com/euromaidanpress/status/2003595984375263475

    Nothing from US, UK, EU, or anything with military use, is allowed to pass.

    About time. But it also begs the question, why now?
    Fear of secondary sanctions, from a nation whose reported exports to Russia have risen 10x in the last three years.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,588
    edited 10:01AM
    As it is Christmas, here's my nice snowy picture of a hut in the woods.

    It has absolutely no relevance to any news story...



  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,690
    MelonB said:

    Good morning

    Is it just social media feeding me things, or has something turned in the US posture towards Europe in the last few days? Not just the usual playground trolling but a new stage where we really are now facing a United States as strategic enemy?

    I hope so. I feel little affinity with the US but oodles towards Europe and particularly the EU
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,173
    boulay said:

    MelonB said:

    Good morning

    Is it just social media feeding me things, or has something turned in the US posture towards Europe in the last few days? Not just the usual playground trolling but a new stage where we really are now facing a United States as strategic enemy?

    I guess it depends on whether your “we” means the UK and Europe. I personally think, without any evidence but pure gut, that the US would like the UK more distant to the EU but apart from their concerns about the evils of Sadiq Khan and when King Charles is going to convert and declare the UK a caliphate, I think they see us separately.

    They clearly see the EU as, if not an enemy, no longer a friend and it’s a competitor.

    The EU is a trade competitor by virtue of its size and wealth, is a competitor on geopolitical-political influence and to MAGA the EU speak funny languages and have strange customs.

    So I don’t think the US is yet a strategic enemy to “us” but is moving that way to Europe unless Europe shifts to being a nodding dog to Trump and Co.
    I honestly don't think that they care about Europe anymore and have given up pretending that they do. It's easy to blame Trump and the VP because they are so rude, boorish and obnoxious but this has been some time coming, at least since Obama's time and arguably longer.

    This means that there will be some things that we agree on but many which we don't and they are ok with that. We seem to be a lot less comfortable about it. What Europe needs to decide is whether they remain a relatively peaceful and prosperous backwater or whether they still want to play a role on the world stage. To put it at its kindest there is a real difference of views within the EU about that.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,929
    edited 9:58AM
    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.


    Poor Archie...,.. all he had to do was find a grouse!

    A from Balmoral sounds a distinctly unpheasant character.
    In olden times, his brother officers would have would have left him in a locked room, with a bottle of brandy, and a revolver with a single bullet in it.
    Andrew should have and will have no further role in public life but apart from being an idiot associating with Epstein and young women is there any evidence he did anything illegal? Even Giuffre was 17 not underage in the UK.

    If Andrew had any sense he would quietly do volunteering work for homeless charities and food banks for the poor in Norfolk, be grateful he still has a home and spend time with his daughters and grandchildren. His ego though is too big for that
    Didn't he smash her pisser in New York where the AoC is 18 when she was just 17 (you know what I mean)?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,884
    DavidL said:

    Carnyx said:

    On a happier note, and before I get down to finishing work before downing tools for the break, I was mulling over @Big_G_NorthWales 's mildly but unnecessarily apologetic comments the other day about remembering charities such as the RNLI at this time of year. They had prompted a thought that was still buzzing around - but the fly has now landed on the lampshade. It was that what is interesting about his proud reports of LittleG in his RIB or Shannon or whatever it is is that they give a sense of the activities, and just as importantly of the commitment needed, of a single person working as crew, month by month. Mostly what one gets is collective reports (and rightly so) but one is never quite sure how many people are involved.

    Also reflecting on some of the discussions on here about young people, the AI problem, and education at all ages. I do worry about those issues ... I'd, as it happens, just made a donation to a group towards its fund to help students (of all ages and whether in formal courses or not) with the costs of their own projects etc. Not a big charity, quite the reverse, but as a professional body I know it'll spend the money well (and we get to see the students' short reports in the regular newsletter).

    Best wishes of the season to all.

    My daughter explained how she was wanting to start some Christmas traditions of her own in addition to those she grew up with. She decided that they would make a family donation to a suitable charity. Her son is only 10 months old so this year she has chosen a children's charity for him but the intention is that each year as he gets older time will be spent researching and choosing that year's charity, teaching him something about those who are less fortunate. I think this is a great idea. It has clearly been influenced by her brother's interest in effective altruism but it is all the more remarkable when you appreciate that money is actually pretty tight for them. I am seriously tempted to copy their innovation. It is so more attractive than yet more stuff.
    Well done to your daughter. If you can afford it, offer to match her donation to her charity as well as your own.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,613
    edited 10:02AM
    Carnyx said:

    On a happier note, and before I get down to finishing work before downing tools for the break, I was mulling over @Big_G_NorthWales 's mildly but unnecessarily apologetic comments the other day about remembering charities such as the RNLI at this time of year. They had prompted a thought that was still buzzing around - but the fly has now landed on the lampshade. It was that what is interesting about his proud reports of LittleG in his RIB or Shannon or whatever it is is that they give a sense of the activities, and just as importantly of the commitment needed, of a single person working as crew, month by month. Mostly what one gets is collective reports (and rightly so) but one is never quite sure how many people are involved.

    Also reflecting on some of the discussions on here about young people, the AI problem, and education at all ages. I do worry about those issues ... I'd, as it happens, just made a donation to a group towards its fund to help students (of all ages and whether in formal courses or not) with the costs of their own projects etc. Not a big charity, quite the reverse, but as a professional body I know it'll spend the money well (and we get to see the students' short reports in the regular newsletter).

    Best wishes of the season to all.

    Good morning

    The commitment to the RNLI by crews and shore staff is amazing and the hours in the classrooms, at sea, and at Poole and at the same time holding down a full time job is a lesson to us all

    Every time they answer a shout they have no idea what they are facing, and of course they are answerable for their actions as any professional would be

    Their teamwork is incredible and so are their families and employers who know they have to answer their pager immediately and leave what they are doing, and this 24/7 and of course they cannot drink in case they are called

    They can and do sign themselves out of calls but most of the year they are ready to go to assist anyone in peril on the sea

    We do come from a long traditon of fishermen and merchant men on both sides of the family and have experienced the loss of loved ones at sea and our son is following in the footsteps of his family by his involvement in the RNLI

    It is Christmas Eve and I want to wish everyone on here the happiest of Christmases and new year

    There is more that unites us than divides us
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,171
    edited 10:04AM
    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.


    Poor Archie...,.. all he had to do was find a grouse!

    A from Balmoral sounds a distinctly unpheasant character.
    In olden times, his brother officers would have would have left him in a locked room, with a bottle of brandy, and a revolver with a single bullet in it.
    Andrew should have and will have no further role in public life but apart from being an idiot associating with Epstein and young women is there any evidence he did anything illegal? Even Giuffre was 17 not underage in the UK.

    If Andrew had any sense he would quietly do volunteering work for homeless charities and food banks for the poor in Norfolk, be grateful he still has a home and spend time with his daughters and grandchildren. His ego though is too big for that
    The age of consent for prostitution is 18 in New York State, and Giuffre was trafficked.

    If he were innocent, he would not have made a huge payout.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,611
    boulay said:

    MelonB said:

    Good morning

    Is it just social media feeding me things, or has something turned in the US posture towards Europe in the last few days? Not just the usual playground trolling but a new stage where we really are now facing a United States as strategic enemy?

    I guess it depends on whether your “we” means the UK and Europe. I personally think, without any evidence but pure gut, that the US would like the UK more distant to the EU but apart from their concerns about the evils of Sadiq Khan and when King Charles is going to convert and declare the UK a caliphate, I think they see us separately.

    They clearly see the EU as, if not an enemy, no longer a friend and it’s a competitor.

    The EU is a trade competitor by virtue of its size and wealth, is a competitor on geopolitical-political influence and to MAGA the EU speak funny languages and have strange customs.

    So I don’t think the US is yet a strategic enemy to “us” but is moving that way to Europe unless Europe shifts to being a nodding dog to Trump and Co.
    I’m not so sure. Yes the most prominent person sanctioned last night was Thierry Breton, and yes Greenland is Danish not British, but several - a disproportionate number - of the sanctioned individuals were British, the Twitter rant announcing them all mentioned one political party, the Lib Dems, as an example of “foreign government officials” inimical to the US, and Vance’s chilling nuclear comments were specifically about Britain and France as nuclear powers being taken over by morally corrupt forces (or some such nonsense) and posing a strategic threat. We’re getting more than our fair European share of the threats, I’d say.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,562
    HYUFD said:

    The nice list shows what an asset the Princess of Wales is to the royals. Andrew obviously prominent on the naughty list and a negative so the King stripped him of his titles, Windsor home and roles. Whether Labour are as ruthless with Starmer and Reeves, who as the list shows remain very unpopular, could determine their chances at the next general election. Trump has always been unpopular here but as he is US President that is less relevant to him as he doesn’t need to worry what Brits think of him

    Get rid of all the parasites
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,707

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.


    Poor Archie...,.. all he had to do was find a grouse!

    A from Balmoral sounds a distinctly unpheasant character.
    In olden times, his brother officers would have would have left him in a locked room, with a bottle of brandy, and a revolver with a single bullet in it.
    Not that A's self preserving vanity would allow it but even that avenue has been limited.

    The Sun
    @TheSun
    Tomorrow's front page: Police seize Andy gun licence
    https://thesun.co.uk/royals/3771552

    https://x.com/TheSun/status/2003225484608569385?s=20
    Puzzled at this one. Why?
    Not a fit person. It doesn't require a conviction
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,171
    MelonB said:

    boulay said:

    MelonB said:

    Good morning

    Is it just social media feeding me things, or has something turned in the US posture towards Europe in the last few days? Not just the usual playground trolling but a new stage where we really are now facing a United States as strategic enemy?

    I guess it depends on whether your “we” means the UK and Europe. I personally think, without any evidence but pure gut, that the US would like the UK more distant to the EU but apart from their concerns about the evils of Sadiq Khan and when King Charles is going to convert and declare the UK a caliphate, I think they see us separately.

    They clearly see the EU as, if not an enemy, no longer a friend and it’s a competitor.

    The EU is a trade competitor by virtue of its size and wealth, is a competitor on geopolitical-political influence and to MAGA the EU speak funny languages and have strange customs.

    So I don’t think the US is yet a strategic enemy to “us” but is moving that way to Europe unless Europe shifts to being a nodding dog to Trump and Co.
    I’m not so sure. Yes the most prominent person sanctioned last night was Thierry Breton, and yes Greenland is Danish not British, but several - a disproportionate number - of the sanctioned individuals were British, the Twitter rant announcing them all mentioned one political party, the Lib Dems, as an example of “foreign government officials” inimical to the US, and Vance’s chilling nuclear comments were specifically about Britain and France as nuclear powers being taken over by morally corrupt forces (or some such nonsense) and posing a strategic threat. We’re getting more than our fair European share of the threats, I’d say.
    My concern is the US government going all-in, on the side of Russia.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,562
    boulay said:

    MelonB said:

    Good morning

    Is it just social media feeding me things, or has something turned in the US posture towards Europe in the last few days? Not just the usual playground trolling but a new stage where we really are now facing a United States as strategic enemy?

    I guess it depends on whether your “we” means the UK and Europe. I personally think, without any evidence but pure gut, that the US would like the UK more distant to the EU but apart from their concerns about the evils of Sadiq Khan and when King Charles is going to convert and declare the UK a caliphate, I think they see us separately.

    They clearly see the EU as, if not an enemy, no longer a friend and it’s a competitor.

    The EU is a trade competitor by virtue of its size and wealth, is a competitor on geopolitical-political influence and to MAGA the EU speak funny languages and have strange customs.

    So I don’t think the US is yet a strategic enemy to “us” but is moving that way to Europe unless Europe shifts to being a nodding dog to Trump and Co.
    Only because we are their poodle already, Trump says jump and UK says how high, run by spineless wankers.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,343
    Battlebus said:

    Sandpit said:

    Khazakhstan is introducing export controls at their Russian border.

    https://x.com/euromaidanpress/status/2003595984375263475

    Nothing from US, UK, EU, or anything with military use, is allowed to pass.

    Good morning, everyone.

    From the little I've read/watched, it seems the central Asian republics are both co-operating a bit more with each other, and that China is very keen to fully replace Russia as the power in that region.
    They are reportedly installing ICBM silos along the Mongolian border to aim at Taiwan (?) apparently.

    https://kfgo.com/2025/12/22/exclusive-china-likely-loaded-more-than-100-icbms-in-silo-fields-pentagon-report-says/
    Rarely going to be a better time for China to have a crack at Taiwan.

    China's at its demographic peak.
    America is led by a fickle moron.
    Europe's heavily concerned by Russia (and may face military action there as China invades Taiwan).

    And, from Xi Jinping's perspective, he's not getting any younger.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,562
    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.


    Poor Archie...,.. all he had to do was find a grouse!

    A from Balmoral sounds a distinctly unpheasant character.
    In olden times, his brother officers would have would have left him in a locked room, with a bottle of brandy, and a revolver with a single bullet in it.
    Andrew should have and will have no further role in public life but apart from being an idiot associating with Epstein and young women is there any evidence he did anything illegal? Even Giuffre was 17 not underage in the UK.

    If Andrew had any sense he would quietly do volunteering work for homeless charities and food banks for the poor in Norfolk, be grateful he still has a home and spend time with his daughters and grandchildren. His ego though is too big for that
    The clown never had any role other than abusing his position and being a nasty horrible arrogant piece of work.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,613
    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    A From Balmoral nearly made it to the top of the naughty list.


    Poor Archie...,.. all he had to do was find a grouse!

    A from Balmoral sounds a distinctly unpheasant character.
    In olden times, his brother officers would have would have left him in a locked room, with a bottle of brandy, and a revolver with a single bullet in it.
    Andrew should have and will have no further role in public life but apart from being an idiot associating with Epstein and young women is there any evidence he did anything illegal? Even Giuffre was 17 not underage in the UK.

    If Andrew had any sense he would quietly do volunteering work for homeless charities and food banks for the poor in Norfolk, be grateful he still has a home and spend time with his daughters and grandchildren. His ego though is too big for that
    The question is do his daughters and granddaughters want to spend any time with him ?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,858
    spudgfsh said:

    the thing these lists says to me is how popular Marin Lewis is.

    Martin Lewis is trusted, and rightly so.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,377
    edited 10:15AM
    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Photo for the day. The Muffin Top Destroyer - why the Arleigh-Burke hull is at the end of its lifecycle.

    Is that the new USS Bone Spur class?
    It's actually a pretty effective vessel, and one if the longest serving types is history, which they're still struggling to develop a replacement for (see the Zumwalt, for example).
    US naval planning has been a bit of a shitshow, and Trump is set to make it worse.
    That's a fair summary.

    They have now failed with 3 series of ships in a row = Zumwalt destroyer, Littoral Combat Ship and recently the Frigate which Sub-Lieutenant Hegseth just cancelled.

    Personally I think that the current idea to upscale the Coastguard Cutter is likely to wreck that programme as well, rather than save the other by transferring relative success.

    Imo the USN is much further up shit creek than we have been, without a paddle, or a boat, or a working shipyard, or a workforce, or an incorrupt Congress, or any of the other bits they need.

    There was a video I saw the other day arguing that they should start building Oliver Hazard Perry Frigates again. These were commissioned into the USN from 1977 to 1989, so it's a 55 year old design.

    I think they will end up suspending the "build in USA only" practice for a period, to cover the interim, and do something like order 20 Mogami (or improved Mogami) class from Japan, built in Japan, at one or two per year.
    The cutter idea seems a nonsense.
    To turn it into an effective fighting vessel it would need to be entirely redesigned; they'd be better if with something purpose built - and as you say there are plenty of good, available foreign alternatives.
    I think the core issue here is that the entire USN procurement process is up shit creek.

    They are not clear about what they need as soon as it gets beyond rhetoric, so they all pile in and it ends up like the shitshow our army made with Ajax.

    A cutter (it is about 25% smaller than our Type 31 frigate) will not meet the need for second tier battle group protection alongside the Arleigh-Burkes, but if they are looking at "presence" or "keeping shipping lanes open by escorting merchantmen" or "escort the tankers to the battle group because the Arleigh-Burke's can't make it across the Pacific without a tea break" (so covering roles of our River Class Batch 2 or Type 31 low-end frigates) it could be fine with some upgrades, especially as it already has a 12,ooo nautical mile range.

    But they won't; they will try and create a big Swiss Army knife for machete-fights.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,214
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Archer out of the Ashes.

    Pope dropped for the only other batsman, who hasn’t been able to buy a run for months.

    Bashir still the number one spinner but not playing, while Jacks takes 2/231 and retains his spot.

    Duckett under investigation for being even drunker than normal.

    There were only three things wrong with this Ashes tour - they picked the wrong squad, played the wrong team and prepared the wrong way.

    And we thought that previous Ashes tours since 2013 had been disastrous.

    They’re a good team, except for the batting, the bowling, and the fielding.

    Can Santa please not deliver us another two-day Test for this weekend!
    Santa’s gift to Australia is a team of turkeys to play against.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,546
    In news of a very good Reform signing, this is a very interesting, sometimes sparky interview of Rear Admiral Dr David Parry with David Starkey (on somewhat tetchy form).

    https://youtu.be/APToE8Zo45Y?si=1MrRf2djIlMpG1eO

    Calmly devastating on the current state of our military, but with sensible solutions. Let's hope Reform listens to him (they have him running as one of the cancelled Mayors just now - he would be a far better defence spokesman), and he is eventually made Defence Sec.
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