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  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Carola said:

    BobaFett said:

    SeanT said:

    BobaFett said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    Does Alan Bennett still live in Camden Town?

    I believe so. Saw him wheeling his bike up Parkway a year ago. He's quite elderly now.

    My best Camden celeb encounter was when I nearly got run over by a scowling Martin Amis in a huge BMW 4x4 on Arlington Road (this was when he was living in his dad's Primrose Hill gaff a couple of years ago).

    Tiny novelist, massive car.

    That said, two days ago I saw George Galloway on Regent's Park Road accompanied by a homely yet milfy Asian woman. He was wearing a long coat, and fedora, and looked quite stooped and aged, yet he still exuded a languid virility and menace. Like one of the older gangsters from The Sopranos.
    I once met Dale Winton near Regent's Park. Beat that.
    Dale Winton nearly ran me over on Gower Street in his Bentley. And he smiled as he did it.

    Crikey, maybe I am being stalked by modestly famous people in big cars, all trying to run me over. Like a sort of Celebrity Automotive Hunger Games, where C listers get elevated to the A list if they squash someone in the F list.
    He was parking a convertible when I saw him. I also once narrowly dodged a pick-up truck being driven by Chris Eubank around the streets of Mayfair.
    I saw him stop his monster truck in the middle of a one way in Brighton, and hop out for a takeaway coffee and a bun. By the time he got back the area was gridlocked. I don't think he even noticed - just clambered back in and off he went.
    I didn't think it was possible to drive a vehicle so large through the back streets of W1 until I encountered Eubank. I still don't.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Mention Dan Hodges and they all pop out with their character assassinations!

    It's so transparent - never, ever do they actually address the rather good points he makes. Today's and yesterday's articles would be a good place to start, but I'm not holding my breath.

    I stopped reading Hodges articles the day he posted on twitter that he didn't ban people from his twitter page then banned me for asking him to provide proof of the now infamous "Tory marginal poll". A poll that no one seems to have heard about, including the Tory Party, apart from Dan.

    Previoulsy it was the same old bitter shit, just on different days. Just think a few more percentage points more for David and this fecking idiot would have been running the media dept of the Labour Party. The current PB Hodges would be PB Littlejohns and would be giving Dan piles of abuse. I have always thought Dan was a complete and utter belter and have told him to his face on more than one occasion.
    Liar.
    Send for the solicitors.
    I'll be waiting.
    'pouter thinks that Dan can hear him when he shouts at the TV. Bless.
    Don't tell me they have let Dan's face on the tv, I hope it was after the watershed.
    wow, you're a charmer, pouter. which is the nasty party, again?
    *** Blows Dugy a kiss ***
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    Strangely that was more or less how Joseph and Mary lost the child Jesus once. Cameron is following divine precedent:

    Luke 2:41-52
    New International Version (NIV)
    The Boy Jesus at the Temple

    41 Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom. 43 After the festival was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. 44 Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. 45 When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.

    King James's version if you please, fox :)

    (Gove preface not required)
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    BobaFett said:

    fitalass said:

    After tonight's local by election results, I await the next thread where we analyse the polling and are told that UKIP are a bigger threat to the Conservatives rather than Labour where it matters most.

    Twitter
    The Columnist Elects ‏@ColumnistElects 15m
    Coal Aston (NE Derbyshire) Result: CON - 46.3% (-3.3) LAB - 36.5% (-0.5) UKIP - 17.2% (+17.2)

    The Tory score has fallen more in that ward??
    That's a Labour heartland. If you can't win there when in opposition you're in profound trouble.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    BobaFett said:


    Richard - my post wasn't directed at you, of course. I think Nick is very confident and that sometimes worries me. But his analysis is no doubt accurate in his own ultra marginal where sensible punters of either stripe would bet on Soubry to hang on.

    I don't think Nick is at all nailed on to win Broxtowe. It is certainly odd that he claims there is no Tory effort on the ground.

    Obviously, given the slim majority, if there is a national (or at least regional) swing towards Labour, Anna Soubry is vulnerable. But she'll have the first-time incumbency advantage, she's a feisty and high-profile MP, and also Nick is partly at risk of being a victim of his own success - he managed last time to limit the swing particularly well. Kudos to him for his campaigning in 2010. However, that is a two-edged sword this time round, since it means his starting position already factors in good campaigning.
    That's certainly a point about the issue of doubling up a low swing: I do assume some of my personal vote has died or moved or forgotten. The absence of Tory effort on the ground has so far been just a fact, though there will be an exception on Saturday when AS is collecting signatures for a petition. The local association is elderly and small, and there aren't many nearby safe Tory seats lending a hand. There are lots of Tory letters raining in, though, and presumably they will ship people in at some point, but they're now a year behind our effort.

    I think the long odds don't actually have much to do with me or AS, though - they rest on the 17% LibDem local vote last time, which was boosted by a rogue poll. The LibDem candidate is standing down and no replacement has yet been found or indeed yet sought: their effort will be modest, and a number of them are quietly helping me. So a Tory win depends either on gaining lots of other votes (from where?) or on the LibDem vote holding up (they don't expect it to) or not splitting mainly to Labour (unusual, especially as we're in coalition with them locally). On top of that, UKIP are making a serious effort, presumably because AS, like me, is pro-EU, as it's not natural UKIP territory.

    Nailed on would be overstating it. But I'm fairly hopeful.

    I really don't think you have much to worry about Nick, obviously you're not going to have any complacency, but when Osborne's whole economic and political strategy falls apart, as I think it will,over the coming year, then I wouldn't expect lots of enthusiastic effort from the grassroots blue rinse brigade, not though there is at the moment if reports are anything to go by.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014

    Cameron is following divine precedent.

    I'd be somewhat surprised if Cammie's inspiring tale of leaving his child in the pub was recounted in hushed awe by his many Cameroon apostles as proof of his divinity and miraculous powers. But this is PB after all, so you just never know.

    Blessed is the Dyno-Rod for he shall inherit the trustfund. ;)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Sue Townshend of Adrian Mole fame, has died
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    BobaFett said:

    fitalass said:

    After tonight's local by election results, I await the next thread where we analyse the polling and are told that UKIP are a bigger threat to the Conservatives rather than Labour where it matters most.

    Twitter
    The Columnist Elects ‏@ColumnistElects 15m
    Coal Aston (NE Derbyshire) Result: CON - 46.3% (-3.3) LAB - 36.5% (-0.5) UKIP - 17.2% (+17.2)

    The Tory score has fallen more in that ward??
    That's a Labour heartland. If you can't win there when in opposition you're in profound trouble.
    This "Labour is in trouble" attachment to everything really is a sport among the PB Hodges.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Quite good joke by Andrew Neil

    The big society is just like The Big Issue...

    Except nobody buys it

    Didnt think it was that bad an idea myself but what do I know?
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    BobaFett said:


    Richard - my post wasn't directed at you, of course. I think Nick is very confident and that sometimes worries me. But his analysis is no doubt accurate in his own ultra marginal where sensible punters of either stripe would bet on Soubry to hang on.

    I don't think Nick is at all nailed on to win Broxtowe. It is certainly odd that he claims there is no Tory effort on the ground.

    Obviously, given the slim majority, if there is a national (or at least regional) swing towards Labour, Anna Soubry is vulnerable. But she'll have the first-time incumbency advantage, she's a feisty and high-profile MP, and also Nick is partly at risk of being a victim of his own success - he managed last time to limit the swing particularly well. Kudos to him for his campaigning in 2010. However, that is a two-edged sword this time round, since it means his starting position already factors in good campaigning.
    That's certainly a point about the issue of doubling up a low swing: I do assume some of my personal vote has died or moved or forgotten. The absence of Tory effort on the ground has so far been just a fact, though there will be an exception on Saturday when AS is collecting signatures for a petition. The local association is elderly and small, and there aren't many nearby safe Tory seats lending a hand. There are lots of Tory letters raining in, though, and presumably they will ship people in at some point, but they're now a year behind our effort.

    I think the long odds don't actually have much to do with me or AS, though - they rest on the 17% LibDem local vote last time, which was boosted by a rogue poll. The LibDem candidate is standing down and no replacement has yet been found or indeed yet sought: their effort will be modest, and a number of them are quietly helping me. So a Tory win depends either on gaining lots of other votes (from where?) or on the LibDem vote holding up (they don't expect it to) or not splitting mainly to Labour (unusual, especially as we're in coalition with them locally). On top of that, UKIP are making a serious effort, presumably because AS, like me, is pro-EU, as it's not natural UKIP territory.

    Nailed on would be overstating it. But I'm fairly hopeful.

    What a choice the voters face, the dripping wet Soubry or smug Palmer.

    One constituency where there really is no difference between the candidates, hopefully UKIP pick up the votes of people who are sick of politicians all being the same.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Mick_Pork said:

    Cameron is following divine precedent.

    I'd be somewhat surprised if Cammie's inspiring tale of leaving his child in the pub was recounted in hushed awe by his many Cameroon apostles as proof of his divinity and miraculous powers. But this is PB after all, so you just never know.

    Blessed is the Dyno-Rod for he shall inherit the trustfund. ;)
    The rich shall inherit the earth (without paying inheritance tax).
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    HYUFD said:

    Sue Townshend of Adrian Mole fame, has died

    Is there official confirmation of that? Have seen the rumours for the last hour or so, but...
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited April 2014

    Mention Dan Hodges and they all pop out with their character assassinations!

    It's so transparent - never, ever do they actually address the rather good points he makes. Today's and yesterday's articles would be a good place to start, but I'm not holding my breath.

    I stopped reading Hodges articles the day he posted on twitter that he didn't ban people from his twitter page then banned me for asking him to provide proof of the now infamous "Tory marginal poll". A poll that no one seems to have heard about, including the Tory Party, apart from Dan.

    Previoulsy it was the same old bitter shit, just on different days. Just think a few more percentage points more for David and this fecking idiot would have been running the media dept of the Labour Party. The current PB Hodges would be PB Littlejohns and would be giving Dan piles of abuse. I have always thought Dan was a complete and utter belter and have told him to his face on more than one occasion.
    Liar.
    Send for the solicitors.
    I'll be waiting.
    'pouter thinks that Dan can hear him when he shouts at the TV. Bless.
    Don't tell me they have let Dan's face on the tv, I hope it was after the watershed.
    You do know why his face is scarred don't you?

    'In February 1992, he lost his left eye when a broken beer glass was shoved in his face after he stood up to racists who were taunting black men at a South London pub.'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Hodges
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    BobaFett said:

    fitalass said:

    After tonight's local by election results, I await the next thread where we analyse the polling and are told that UKIP are a bigger threat to the Conservatives rather than Labour where it matters most.

    Twitter
    The Columnist Elects ‏@ColumnistElects 15m
    Coal Aston (NE Derbyshire) Result: CON - 46.3% (-3.3) LAB - 36.5% (-0.5) UKIP - 17.2% (+17.2)

    The Tory score has fallen more in that ward??
    That's a Labour heartland. If you can't win there when in opposition you're in profound trouble.
    The Tories have been chipping away at Labour majorities over the past 15 years in ex-mining areas like NE Derbyshire. Seats like Penistone and Stocksbridge and Wakefield are similar.....something that the Tory high command so conspicusously misunderstood in their whole strategy back in 2010 to appease the socially liberal Islington voter, instead of picking off the many socially conservative white working class Labour voters that were there to be won last time......that Mr Farage has so assiduously courted since then.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    As you please!

    Luke 2:41-52
    King James Version (KJV)
    41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.

    42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.

    43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.

    44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance.

    45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.

    46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.

    47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.

    48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

    49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

    50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.

    51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.

    52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

    Strangely that was more or less how Joseph and Mary lost the child Jesus once. Cameron is following divine precedent:

    Luke 2:41-52
    New International Version (NIV)
    The Boy Jesus at the Temple

    41 Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom. 43 After the festival was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. 44 Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. 45 When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.

    King James's version if you please, fox :)

    (Gove preface not required)
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Mention Dan Hodges and they all pop out with their character assassinations!

    It's so transparent - never, ever do they actually address the rather good points he makes. Today's and yesterday's articles would be a good place to start, but I'm not holding my breath.

    I stopped reading Hodges articles the day he posted on twitter that he didn't ban people from his twitter page then banned me for asking him to provide proof of the now infamous "Tory marginal poll". A poll that no one seems to have heard about, including the Tory Party, apart from Dan.

    Previoulsy it was the same old bitter shit, just on different days. Just think a few more percentage points more for David and this fecking idiot would have been running the media dept of the Labour Party. The current PB Hodges would be PB Littlejohns and would be giving Dan piles of abuse. I have always thought Dan was a complete and utter belter and have told him to his face on more than one occasion.
    Liar.
    Send for the solicitors.
    I'll be waiting.
    'pouter thinks that Dan can hear him when he shouts at the TV. Bless.
    Don't tell me they have let Dan's face on the tv, I hope it was after the watershed.
    You do realise why his face is so badly scarred don't you?

    'In February 1992, he lost his left eye when a broken beer glass was shoved in his face after he stood up to racists who were taunting black men at a South London pub.'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Hodges
    Of course I do.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    hunchman said:

    BobaFett said:


    Richard - my post wasn't directed at you, of course. I think Nick is very confident and that sometimes worries me. But his analysis is no doubt accurate in his own ultra marginal where sensible punters of either stripe would bet on Soubry to hang on.

    I don't think Nick is at all nailed on to win Broxtowe. It is certainly odd that he claims there is no Tory effort on the ground.

    Obviously, given the slim majority, if there is a national (or at least regional) swing towards Labour, Anna Soubry is vulnerable. But she'll have the first-time incumbency advantage, she's a feisty and high-profile MP, and also Nick is partly at risk of being a victim of his own success - he managed last time to limit the swing particularly well. Kudos to him for his campaigning in 2010. However, that is a two-edged sword this time round, since it means his starting position already factors in good campaigning.
    That's certainly a point about the issue of doubling up a low swing: I do assume some of my personal vote has died or moved or forgotten. The absence of Tory effort on the ground has so far been just a fact, though there will be an exception on Saturday when AS is collecting signatures for a petition. The local association is elderly and small, and there aren't many nearby safe Tory seats lending a hand. There are lots of Tory letters raining in, though, and presumably they will ship people in at some point, but they're now a year behind our effort.

    I think the long odds don't actually have much to do with me or AS, though - they rest on the 17% LibDem local vote last time, which was boosted by a rogue poll. The LibDem candidate is standing down and no replacement has yet been found or indeed yet sought: their effort will be modest, and a number of them are quietly helping me. So a Tory win depends either on gaining lots of other votes (from where?) or on the LibDem vote holding up (they don't expect it to) or not splitting mainly to Labour (unusual, especially as we're in coalition with them locally). On top of that, UKIP are making a serious effort, presumably because AS, like me, is pro-EU, as it's not natural UKIP territory.

    Nailed on would be overstating it. But I'm fairly hopeful.

    I really don't think you have much to worry about Nick, obviously you're not going to have any complacency, but when Osborne's whole economic and political strategy falls apart, as I think it will,over the coming year, then I wouldn't expect lots of enthusiastic effort from the grassroots blue rinse brigade, not though there is at the moment if reports are anything to go by.
    Why do you think Osbourne's economic strategy will fall apart? Wishful thinking?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    The Watcher, never believe everything you read on Wiki old boy.

  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Mention Dan Hodges and they all pop out with their character assassinations!

    It's so transparent - never, ever do they actually address the rather good points he makes. Today's and yesterday's articles would be a good place to start, but I'm not holding my breath.

    I stopped reading Hodges articles the day he posted on twitter that he didn't ban people from his twitter page then banned me for asking him to provide proof of the now infamous "Tory marginal poll". A poll that no one seems to have heard about, including the Tory Party, apart from Dan.

    Previoulsy it was the same old bitter shit, just on different days. Just think a few more percentage points more for David and this fecking idiot would have been running the media dept of the Labour Party. The current PB Hodges would be PB Littlejohns and would be giving Dan piles of abuse. I have always thought Dan was a complete and utter belter and have told him to his face on more than one occasion.
    Liar.
    Send for the solicitors.
    I'll be waiting.
    'pouter thinks that Dan can hear him when he shouts at the TV. Bless.
    Don't tell me they have let Dan's face on the tv, I hope it was after the watershed.
    You do realise why his face is so badly scarred don't you?

    'In February 1992, he lost his left eye when a broken beer glass was shoved in his face after he stood up to racists who were taunting black men at a South London pub.'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Hodges
    Of course I do.
    Liar.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    hunchman said:

    BobaFett said:

    fitalass said:

    After tonight's local by election results, I await the next thread where we analyse the polling and are told that UKIP are a bigger threat to the Conservatives rather than Labour where it matters most.

    Twitter
    The Columnist Elects ‏@ColumnistElects 15m
    Coal Aston (NE Derbyshire) Result: CON - 46.3% (-3.3) LAB - 36.5% (-0.5) UKIP - 17.2% (+17.2)

    The Tory score has fallen more in that ward??
    That's a Labour heartland. If you can't win there when in opposition you're in profound trouble.
    The Tories have been chipping away at Labour majorities over the past 15 years in ex-mining areas like NE Derbyshire. Seats like Penistone and Stocksbridge and Wakefield are similar.....something that the Tory high command so conspicusously misunderstood in their whole strategy back in 2010 to appease the socially liberal Islington voter, instead of picking off the many socially conservative white working class Labour voters that were there to be won last time......that Mr Farage has so assiduously courted since then.
    Coal Aston is nothing like an ex mining area . It is a very prosperous commuter village close to Sheffield .

    Conservatives held Wantage Charlton

    Con 591 LD 542 Lab 155 Green 124
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited April 2014
    SeanT said:



    Mention Dan Hodges and they all pop out with their character assassinations!

    It's so transparent - never, ever do they actually address the rather good points he makes. Today's and yesterday's articles would be a good place to start, but I'm not holding my breath.

    I stopped reading Hodges articles the day he posted on twitter that he didn't ban people from his twitter page then banned me for asking him to provide proof of the now infamous "Tory marginal poll". A poll that no one seems to have heard about, including the Tory Party, apart from Dan.

    Previoulsy it was the same old bitter shit, just on different days. Just think a few more percentage points more for David and this fecking idiot would have been running the media dept of the Labour Party. The current PB Hodges would be PB Littlejohns and would be giving Dan piles of abuse. I have always thought Dan was a complete and utter belter and have told him to his face on more than one occasion.
    Liar.
    Send for the solicitors.
    I'll be waiting.
    'pouter thinks that Dan can hear him when he shouts at the TV. Bless.
    Don't tell me they have let Dan's face on the tv, I hope it was after the watershed.
    You do realise why his face is so badly scarred don't you?

    'In February 1992, he lost his left eye when a broken beer glass was shoved in his face after he stood up to racists who were taunting black men at a South London pub.'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Hodges
    Wow. I never knew that.

    He does look like someone who would cross the road to have an argument, but you have to respect his principles and steeliness. I'd fancy him to punch the living feck out of Ed Miliband, should it all come down to a stramash (which would be fab).
    He must be crapping himself every time 'pouter tosses an insult at him. Not.

    (The reality being that the latter's idea of face to face abuse was a muttered word, whilst delivering a latte to the formers desk at party HQ).
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Those taking the Mickey out of Cameron for his gentle Anglican Christianity would be better served by reading the good book with a more open mind:

    Matthew 5:22

    NET version

    But I say to you that anyone who is angry with a brother will be subjected to judgment. And whoever insults a brother will be brought before the council, and whoever says 'Fool' will be sent to fiery hell
    Mick_Pork said:

    Cameron is following divine precedent.

    I'd be somewhat surprised if Cammie's inspiring tale of leaving his child in the pub was recounted in hushed awe by his many Cameroon apostles as proof of his divinity and miraculous powers. But this is PB after all, so you just never know.

    Blessed is the Dyno-Rod for he shall inherit the trustfund. ;)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2014
    Sad news about Sue Townsend if the reports are correct.

    Her 1997 novel Ghostchildren always sticks in my mind as the grittiest portrayal of downtrodden people imaginable. (That's a compliment).
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    SeanT said:



    Mention Dan Hodges and they all pop out with their character assassinations!

    It's so transparent - never, ever do they actually address the rather good points he makes. Today's and yesterday's articles would be a good place to start, but I'm not holding my breath.

    I stopped reading Hodges articles the day he posted on twitter that he didn't ban people from his twitter page then banned me for asking him to provide proof of the now infamous "Tory marginal poll". A poll that no one seems to have heard about, including the Tory Party, apart from Dan.

    Previoulsy it was the same old bitter shit, just on different days. Just think a few more percentage points more for David and this fecking idiot would have been running the media dept of the Labour Party. The current PB Hodges would be PB Littlejohns and would be giving Dan piles of abuse. I have always thought Dan was a complete and utter belter and have told him to his face on more than one occasion.
    Liar.
    Send for the solicitors.
    I'll be waiting.
    'pouter thinks that Dan can hear him when he shouts at the TV. Bless.
    Don't tell me they have let Dan's face on the tv, I hope it was after the watershed.
    You do realise why his face is so badly scarred don't you?

    'In February 1992, he lost his left eye when a broken beer glass was shoved in his face after he stood up to racists who were taunting black men at a South London pub.'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Hodges
    Wow. I never knew that.

    He does look like someone who would cross the road to have an argument, but you have to respect his principles and steeliness. I'd fancy him to punch the living feck out of Ed Miliband, should it all come down to a stramash (which would be fab).
    He must be crapping himself every time 'pouter tosses an insult at him. Not.
    Very much doubt he does old bean.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    carola seems so sadly
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591


    Why do you think Osbourne's economic strategy will fall apart? Wishful thinking?

    He just happens to be around at the time that social mood will turn very negative ( as I said earlier in this thread I think the US stockmarket finally topped out last Friday), with the huge credit bubble about to burst. Any politician can look good on the rising left hand side of a credit bubble......they won't look so clever when all the problems come home to roost on the right side of it however.....with Osborne being no exception to this rule. Not that Osborne has helped matters with the huge misallocation of capital called Help to Buy, and having continued QE in a continuation of Mr Brown's policies that he supposedly so despised at the time. Plus ca change.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    hunchman said:

    BobaFett said:

    fitalass said:

    After tonight's local by election results, I await the next thread where we analyse the polling and are told that UKIP are a bigger threat to the Conservatives rather than Labour where it matters most.

    Twitter
    The Columnist Elects ‏@ColumnistElects 15m
    Coal Aston (NE Derbyshire) Result: CON - 46.3% (-3.3) LAB - 36.5% (-0.5) UKIP - 17.2% (+17.2)

    The Tory score has fallen more in that ward??
    That's a Labour heartland. If you can't win there when in opposition you're in profound trouble.
    The Tories have been chipping away at Labour majorities over the past 15 years in ex-mining areas like NE Derbyshire. Seats like Penistone and Stocksbridge and Wakefield are similar.....something that the Tory high command so conspicusously misunderstood in their whole strategy back in 2010 to appease the socially liberal Islington voter, instead of picking off the many socially conservative white working class Labour voters that were there to be won last time......that Mr Farage has so assiduously courted since then.
    Coal Aston is nothing like an ex mining area . It is a very prosperous commuter village close to Sheffield .

    Conservatives held Wantage Charlton

    Con 591 LD 542 Lab 155 Green 124
    I was talking more generally. I don't expect Ed Vaizey to have much problem holding Wantage next time with a classically split LD / Labour opposition.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    I say! I fancy that fellow would throw splendid fisticuffs down the rub-a-dub-dub. Jolly good.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BV8KfpE3BA

    Gertcha! Mashed potatoes.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited April 2014
    @NickP, some of us did actually follow your regular updates on the last GE campaign in Broxtowe, and like last time, you now regularly undermine Soubry's campaign presence. You do forget one simple factor in all this. The Broxtowe electorate voted you and your party out of Office, I don't doubt that you are in the process of working very hard to explain to them why they made that mistake with a backdrop of an uninspiring Labour Leadership team and an ever recovering economy that Soubry will no doubt be highlighting in her own campaign. But your loss of that marginal seat was down to far more than just a dodgy local poll when the Conservatives managed to gain nearly 100 seats in the last GE against a tired and discredited Labour Government.

    You can dismiss this final comment because I am a Tory, and maybe because I am a female too. But I often find your attempts to undermine your opponent, and one who does not post here and is therefore unable to refute your claims about the local campaign really ungentlemanly and a tad unfair. Plus, having dipped my toes into that Beestonian Blog someone once linked to on here, and which delivered a pretty nasty diatribe about Soubry in that article, not sure that is the right way to go and it might instead increase sympathy/support for Soubry rather than undermine her position as the local MP.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    The UK stockmarket often peaks this time of year. I think a significant part is people topping up ISAs and Pensions a the end of the personal tax year, creating net demand for shares which ebbs soon into a lull, whatever happens elsewhere in a year.

    Sell in May, and go away, come back St Ledgers day.
    hunchman said:

    Why do you think Osbourne's economic strategy will fall apart? Wishful thinking?

    He just happens to be around at the time that social mood will turn very negative ( as I said earlier in this thread I think the US stockmarket finally topped out last Friday), with the huge credit bubble about to burst. Any politician can look good on the rising left hand side of a credit bubble......they won't look so clever when all the problems come home to roost on the right side of it however.....with Osborne being no exception to this rule. Not that Osborne has helped matters with the huge misallocation of capital called Help to Buy, and having continued QE in a continuation of Mr Brown's policies that he supposedly so despised at the time. Plus ca change.

  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    hunchman said:

    Why do you think Osbourne's economic strategy will fall apart? Wishful thinking?

    He just happens to be around at the time that social mood will turn very negative ( as I said earlier in this thread I think the US stockmarket finally topped out last Friday), with the huge credit bubble about to burst. Any politician can look good on the rising left hand side of a credit bubble......they won't look so clever when all the problems come home to roost on the right side of it however.....with Osborne being no exception to this rule. Not that Osborne has helped matters with the huge misallocation of capital called Help to Buy, and having continued QE in a continuation of Mr Brown's policies that he supposedly so despised at the time. Plus ca change.

    Like I thought, wishful thinking.

    Agree a stock market crash is coming, but I can't see many of the investors trotting off to vote Labour can you?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Those taking the Mickey out of Cameron for his gentle Anglican Christianity

    Those simple souls who don't seem to understand that it's Cameron's own words that are being mocked might need to have another look at them. Dyno-Rod and all.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
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  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    hunchman said:

    Why do you think Osbourne's economic strategy will fall apart? Wishful thinking?
    He just happens to be around at the time that social mood will turn very negative ( as I said earlier in this thread I think the US stockmarket finally topped out last Friday), with the huge credit bubble about to burst. Any politician can look good on the rising left hand side of a credit bubble......they won't look so clever when all the problems come home to roost on the right side of it however.....with Osborne being no exception to this rule. Not that Osborne has helped matters with the huge misallocation of capital called Help to Buy, and having continued QE in a continuation of Mr Brown's policies that he supposedly so despised at the time. Plus ca change.

    Like I thought, wishful thinking.

    Agree a stock market crash is coming, but I can't see many of the investors trotting off to vote Labour can you?

    Labour can easily win with 35% of the vote, and the Tories will only have themselves to blame if Labour get a small majority, being prepared to vote down House of Lords reform whilst fighting the next election on 2001 boundaries. Although the main factor mitigating against them is of course differential turnout, with unfavourable boundaries a much lesser factor.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Portillo: Miller affair one of the biggest shambles I've ever witnessed in British politics
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Luke 19:22 KJV

    "And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow"


    In which Jesus lets his opponents condemn themselves with their own words, while incidentally endorsing austerity. Like I said, it would do you some good to read the gospels with an open mind.
    Mick_Pork said:

    Those taking the Mickey out of Cameron for his gentle Anglican Christianity

    Those simple souls who don't seem to understand that it's Cameron's own words that are being mocked might need to have another look at them. Dyno-Rod and all.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    isam said:

    Portillo: Miller affair one of the biggest shambles I've ever witnessed in British politics

    A ridiculous statement from an attention seeking failure.

  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    hunchman said:

    hunchman said:

    Why do you think Osbourne's economic strategy will fall apart? Wishful thinking?
    He just happens to be around at the time that social mood will turn very negative ( as I said earlier in this thread I think the US stockmarket finally topped out last Friday), with the huge credit bubble about to burst. Any politician can look good on the rising left hand side of a credit bubble......they won't look so clever when all the problems come home to roost on the right side of it however.....with Osborne being no exception to this rule. Not that Osborne has helped matters with the huge misallocation of capital called Help to Buy, and having continued QE in a continuation of Mr Brown's policies that he supposedly so despised at the time. Plus ca change.
    Like I thought, wishful thinking.

    Agree a stock market crash is coming, but I can't see many of the investors trotting off to vote Labour can you?

    Labour can easily win with 35% of the vote, and the Tories will only have themselves to blame if Labour get a small majority, being prepared to vote down House of Lords reform whilst fighting the next election on 2001 boundaries. Although the main factor mitigating against them is of course differential turnout, with unfavourable boundaries a much lesser factor.

    Yes, obviously.

    Bit different to your original comment about Osbourne though.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Another factor which Farage commented on the other day in a Telegraph interview, is the fact that the (official) national debt has increased by over 40% in the nigh on first 4 years in this parliament alone, and the Westminster bubble isn't even talking about it. Listening to the budget and the mantra of tax cuts, you wouldn't believe that the government in this country has borrowed more in each of the last 4 years as a % of GDP, than the Labour government borrowed in the year preceding the 1976 IMF crisis. The complacency is staggering, and I think it will at last soon be shattered......not a moment too soon.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    SeanT Sounds a great character, I shall bear that in mind when I go to Hay!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2014
    isam said:

    Portillo: Miller affair one of the biggest shambles I've ever witnessed in British politics

    Yes, he said it was catastrophic for the Tories for the expenses issue to come up again just 12 months before the general election.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Like I said, it would do you some good to read the gospels with an open mind.

    Like I said, those simple souls who don't seem to understand why he is being mocked might not be best served by excessive piety.


    Tim Stanley ‏@timothy_stanley 2h

    David Cameron is not the Messiah. He's just a very Tory boy. #CameronJesus

    Winston Smith ‏@Globalidentity 1h

    #bbcqt Poor people cant have a spare bedroom MPs have have spare houses paid 4 by expenses The lord works in mysterious ways #CameronJesus

    Tim Aidley ‏@PlanetTimmy 4h

    "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a poor man to enter the Cabinet" #CameronJesus

    Margo Milne ‏@MargoJMilne 5h

    "Father, forgive them, for it was an easily made error on their expenses forms" #CameronJesus

  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    hunchman said:

    Another factor which Farage commented on the other day in a Telegraph interview, is the fact that the (official) national debt has increased by over 40% in the nigh on first 4 years in this parliament alone, and the Westminster bubble isn't even talking about it. Listening to the budget and the mantra of tax cuts, you wouldn't believe that the government in this country has borrowed more in each of the last 4 years as a % of GDP, than the Labour government borrowed in the year preceding the 1976 IMF crisis. The complacency is staggering, and I think it will at last soon be shattered......not a moment too soon.

    And the answer to that dilemma is vote Labour?
  • Secretary Sebelius to resign.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    And in my final post of this session.....it looks like good night on Steve Davis' snooker career. Beaten 10-8 in a Crucible qualifier, outside the top 64 required to be on the professional circuit for next season. I think its a shame he carried on way past his sell date unlike Stephen Hendry, and think he is better retiring now and suspect he will come to his senses and will announce it at some point, maybe after the World Championships are over in early May.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    hunchman said:

    Another factor which Farage commented on the other day in a Telegraph interview, is the fact that the (official) national debt has increased by over 40% in the nigh on first 4 years in this parliament alone, and the Westminster bubble isn't even talking about it. Listening to the budget and the mantra of tax cuts, you wouldn't believe that the government in this country has borrowed more in each of the last 4 years as a % of GDP, than the Labour government borrowed in the year preceding the 1976 IMF crisis. The complacency is staggering, and I think it will at last soon be shattered......not a moment too soon.

    And the answer to that dilemma is vote Labour?
    The answer is to have a non-debt based monetary system, an end to central banking - central planning Tractor factories or bread production didn't work, why anybody believes it should be any different with the most important thing in a functioning economy.....money as a medium of exchange, is beyond me. Yet the whole of the mainstream political establishment believes that. You'll only find Steve Baker and Douglas Carswell thinking like I do on the subject. So many of our current ills are from the egregious credit bubble we have. But until the whole system collapses, meaningful change is impossible. But I'll be fighting for those urgent and necessary changes from the credit deflation rubble that is staring us in the face, and I think is finally just about to get started.

    Nigel Farage and UKIP will benefit from the mood of discontent, yes the EU has a great many faults, but primarily it is our debt based monetary system which is at fault, the EU bureaucracy being one of the many symptoms of that said regime.

    Good night all.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I used to love watching snooker when Ronnie O'Sullivan was in his mardy phase - which of course lasted rather a long time.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Christians are used to being mocked, and of course Jesus was himself mocked by his persecutors.

    But I would not claim Jesus for either side of the political divide. His kingdom is not of this world.
    Mick_Pork said:

    Like I said, it would do you some good to read the gospels with an open mind.

    Like I said, those simple souls who don't seem to understand why he is being mocked might not be best served by excessive piety.


    Tim Stanley ‏@timothy_stanley 2h

    David Cameron is not the Messiah. He's just a very Tory boy. #CameronJesus

    Winston Smith ‏@Globalidentity 1h

    #bbcqt Poor people cant have a spare bedroom MPs have have spare houses paid 4 by expenses The lord works in mysterious ways #CameronJesus

    Tim Aidley ‏@PlanetTimmy 4h

    "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a poor man to enter the Cabinet" #CameronJesus

    Margo Milne ‏@MargoJMilne 5h

    "Father, forgive them, for it was an easily made error on their expenses forms" #CameronJesus

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014

    Christians are used to being mocked

    You mean the incompetent fop is used to being mocked, much like Clegg. If their followers can't see why by now then I'm afraid they never will.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Well I never! The Irish girl on this week says she is a Londoner now because all the real ones have left!
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    isam said:

    Well I never! The Irish girl on this week says she is a Londoner now because all the real ones have left!

    Gertcha! Jellied eels.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    There are fewer white British people in London than in Scotland despite the fact that London's population is 8.3 million compared to 5.3 in Scotland.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Secretary Sebelius to resign.

    Somewhat inevitable, but the whole Obamacare debacle was not her fault.

    It's so deeply flawed in so many ways it's probably not fixable.

    The almost 30 changes Obama has made to the act - all to delay implementation or reduce the impact of implementation - have not helped either, except to try to ameliorate political damage for democrats running this November.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Hunchman The key figure is spending as a percentage of GDP which has fall from 47% under Brown to 42% now and is forecast to fall back to below 40%, ie late eighties, nineties levels, by 2018. Borrowing has also begun to fall and a surplus is forecast for 2018/19
    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/public-borrowing-falls-december-110031708.html
    Night!
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    And yet it is the first segment of This Week that really should worry the Labour party. Ed Miliband's 'squeezed middle' cost of living crisis was totally skewered by someone finally pointing out that increased employment + continued low interest rates in this recession had definitely ameliorated the effects of this recession for many of those middle income earners he was attempting to target.

    One thing of note about the Miller affair that made it very different from the frenzied media attacks on Mitchell. The media focus has been more or less totally aimed at the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport personally rather than her boss, whereas with the Mitchell affair, it was far more focussed and critical of Cameron's judgement protecting or hanging onto Mitchell from the off.
    isam said:

    Portillo: Miller affair one of the biggest shambles I've ever witnessed in British politics

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    What on earth has happened in tonight's local by-elections?

    Of course there will always be local factors so we should be cautious before reading anything into them.

    But on the face of it they appear dreadful for Labour.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10758623/Syria-is-now-the-biggest-threat-to-Britains-security.html

    "The threat to the UK from returning fighters from the Syrian civil war is now the same as that from al-Qaeda terrorists in the borderlands of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    The increased risk will refocus attention on the decision by David Cameron - backed by MPs in the House of Commons - not to intervene as the Syrian conflict worsened last August."

    So... not giving lots of money and weapons to Hague's Heart-Eaters increased the risk?

    I'd have thought giving lots of money and weapons to Hague's Heart-Eaters would have easily doubled or tripled the already high risk.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    fitalass said:
    I'm such a nerd. I really enjoy watching This Week!
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    SeanT said:

    I agree. One thing I've noted in the commentary on my Telegraph blogs is a resentment, bordering on hatred, of London, and the "Bollinger-quaffing bankers". It's an insane caricature but it resonates, and I am sure it drives politics - e.g. I reckon, right now, it is giving the YES vote in Scotland at least five points.

    Unfortunately for Labour they are led by a bunch of millionaire north Londoners as against millionaire Tory west Londoners so they are not ideally placed to exploit the anger.

    On a micronote, you are wrong about property values going forward. Prime central London is not where the value lies, even the megawealthy will baulk at £5m for a two bed flat in Knightsbridge or Primrose Hill. The big money now is in outlying and unfashionable boroughs - Newham, Barnet, Dagenham, etc - which will now benefit from a serious ripple effect.

    At least that is my humble opinion and I speak as someone with a small nest-egg to invest, who has done a bit of research, who is tempted by Algarvian property. I mean, what the hell, it will always be sunny.

    "I reckon, right now, it is giving the YES vote in Scotland at least five points."

    Agree. Salmon would do a lot better if he focused on the effect of London-based mega banks on Scotland rather than London-based politicians especially with the segment that thinks the London mega banks own the political class.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    His appeal is not across the board. It is to the Kippers.

    Think of him as the 21st century Disraeli or Thatcher. The way the Tories absorb new influences and incorporate these into their philosophy is the secret of their longevity.


    Danny565 said:

    First time watching Sajid Javid (on QT now). Not impressed. Second question in a row now where he's been dodging the question asked and just waffling on.

    The increasingly revolving door between politics and the mega banks is going to appeal to kippers?

    Methinks that will be the one real job where people prefer spads.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    fitalass said:

    Twitter
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    Belle Vue (Cumbria CC) Result: LAB - 45.8% (-20.1) CON - 35.3% (+1.2) UKIP - 19.0% (+19.0)

    If/when all the Con splitters outside the southeast realize a City of London globalist party can't win outside parts of the southeast then Ukip could win all those seats.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    DavidL said:

    I try not to get too involved in immigration debates but I find the idea that we have just discovered the equivalent of the entire population of Coventry quite bizarre. This is not that big an island (which is why we are better together of course).

    "we"

    The people who live or used to live in those areas knew and the political and media class knew.

    The majority of the public didn't know because if they did they would have voted differently.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    MrJones said:

    DavidL said:

    I try not to get too involved in immigration debates but I find the idea that we have just discovered the equivalent of the entire population of Coventry quite bizarre. This is not that big an island (which is why we are better together of course).

    "we"

    The people who live or used to live in those areas knew and the political and media class knew.

    The majority of the public didn't know because if they did they would have voted differently.
    I don't know what you mean by "those areas". The analysis is not based on where the people actually lived at all.

    It is just another example of what I was moaning about the other day in the context of the revisions to growth which are apparently going to show the economy was growing in 2012 after all despite Ball's repeated flat line gestures in the Commons. Poor statistics result in poor decisions on public services and spending.

    The way we monitor our net population is particularly poor and it is easy to believe that there may be reasons for this. Perhaps if the staff at our airports were more usefully deployed than taking cans of anti persperant out of hand luggage we might have a better idea.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Hmm! Dislike of London based City speculators?

    Have you noticed what the Dulwich public school educated former City trader used to do before becoming leader of the kippers?

    And the previous leader was an Eton educated Lord who made his money in the City Insurance racket.

    Yep, these people are really going to bring about a grass roots attack on City financiers aren't they?

    MrJones said:

    His appeal is not across the board. It is to the Kippers.

    Think of him as the 21st century Disraeli or Thatcher. The way the Tories absorb new influences and incorporate these into their philosophy is the secret of their longevity.


    Danny565 said:

    First time watching Sajid Javid (on QT now). Not impressed. Second question in a row now where he's been dodging the question asked and just waffling on.

    The increasingly revolving door between politics and the mega banks is going to appeal to kippers?

    Methinks that will be the one real job where people prefer spads.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Sky News - Co-op banking arm pre tax annual loss of £1.3B for 2013.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,461
    HYUFD said:

    SeanT Sounds a great character, I shall bear that in mind when I go to Hay!

    I was in Hay a couple of weeks ago, and picked up a copy of Thomas's 'Flying into Love' from the Castle bookshop for 50p. There was a second copy there too. I haven't read it yet: after visiting Hay my to-read bookpile now numbers over a hundred books. Enough to keep me going through the year.

    I'm currently wading through Neil Armstong's authorised biography. A bit too much of a hagiography for my liking, but interesting.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    The only three logical explanations I can think of for how Cameron dealt with the Miller thing are

    1) he's under the spell of a Rasputin who's secretly a Lab mole
    2) he wants Ukip to win the Euros
    3) he has taken not having a clue to a weird twilight zone level of inversion
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    JackW said:

    Sky News - Co-op banking arm pre tax annual loss of £1.3B for 2013.

    The failures of management at the Co-Op compared to, say, John Lewis are positively baffling. I think the complete sell off of the bank to save the remainder of the group will be inevitable. All they are achieving at the moment is driving the price down.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    MrJones said:

    The only three logical explanations I can think of for how Cameron dealt with the Miller thing are

    1) he's under the spell of a Rasputin who's secretly a Lab mole
    2) he wants Ukip to win the Euros
    3) he has taken not having a clue to a weird twilight zone level of inversion

    His sense of natural justice revolted against sacking someone found innocent of the primary charges against her?

    He therefore had to wait for her to resign, but being a numpty she thought she could battle it out?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    MrJones said:

    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    The Columnist Elects ‏@ColumnistElects now
    Belle Vue (Cumbria CC) Result: LAB - 45.8% (-20.1) CON - 35.3% (+1.2) UKIP - 19.0% (+19.0)

    If/when all the Con splitters outside the southeast realize a City of London globalist party can't win outside parts of the southeast then Ukip could win all those seats.
    Carlisle is currently a Conservative seat, so I'm not sure that your point is best made here.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Charles said:

    MrJones said:

    The only three logical explanations I can think of for how Cameron dealt with the Miller thing are

    1) he's under the spell of a Rasputin who's secretly a Lab mole
    2) he wants Ukip to win the Euros
    3) he has taken not having a clue to a weird twilight zone level of inversion

    His sense of natural justice revolted against sacking someone found innocent of the primary charges against her?

    He therefore had to wait for her to resign, but being a numpty she thought she could battle it out?
    I did quite like his comment at PMQs that Miliband must be the first leader of the opposition in history to make his first call for someone to resign after they had already resigned!

    A rare bit of light in the gloom of this incident but as I have said before loyalty to your colleagues is not the worst fault someone can have, even if it was misplaced in this instance.

  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 994

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT Sounds a great character, I shall bear that in mind when I go to Hay!

    as in Hay a coup

    ........ my to-read bookpile now numbers over a hundred books. Enough to keep me going through the year.

    I heard the other day that there is word in Japanese for buying books to possess them but not to read.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Comments closed on the new thread. Is this so TSE can get another first?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Surely the collective noun is a Joyce of unread books?
    Icarus said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT Sounds a great character, I shall bear that in mind when I go to Hay!

    as in Hay a coup

    ........ my to-read bookpile now numbers over a hundred books. Enough to keep me going through the year.

    I heard the other day that there is word in Japanese for buying books to possess them but not to read.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,461
    Icarus said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT Sounds a great character, I shall bear that in mind when I go to Hay!

    as in Hay a coup

    ........ my to-read bookpile now numbers over a hundred books. Enough to keep me going through the year.

    I heard the other day that there is word in Japanese for buying books to possess them but not to read.
    Heh. It can be a bit like that, but we both read voraciously. I picked up two old surveying books; they won't be read, but skimmed and kept for reference. One book I've tried reading a few times and never got past the first few pages is C S Lewis's Spaceflight Trilogy. A very different read, and a bit of a let-down for someone who loved Narnia as a kid. I'll get there eventually...

    Hay a coup? Sorry, probably me being thick, but don't get it.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    antifrank said:

    MrJones said:

    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    The Columnist Elects ‏@ColumnistElects now
    Belle Vue (Cumbria CC) Result: LAB - 45.8% (-20.1) CON - 35.3% (+1.2) UKIP - 19.0% (+19.0)

    If/when all the Con splitters outside the southeast realize a City of London globalist party can't win outside parts of the southeast then Ukip could win all those seats.
    Carlisle is currently a Conservative seat, so I'm not sure that your point is best made here.
    Yeah but it's such a strong point it doesn't need to be best made to still work.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    edited April 2014

    Hmm! Dislike of London based City speculators?

    Have you noticed what the Dulwich public school educated former City trader used to do before becoming leader of the kippers?

    And the previous leader was an Eton educated Lord who made his money in the City Insurance racket.

    Yep, these people are really going to bring about a grass roots attack on City financiers aren't they?



    MrJones said:

    His appeal is not across the board. It is to the Kippers.

    Think of him as the 21st century Disraeli or Thatcher. The way the Tories absorb new influences and incorporate these into their philosophy is the secret of their longevity.


    Danny565 said:

    First time watching Sajid Javid (on QT now). Not impressed. Second question in a row now where he's been dodging the question asked and just waffling on.

    The increasingly revolving door between politics and the mega banks is going to appeal to kippers?

    Methinks that will be the one real job where people prefer spads.
    city trading / insurance / captain mainwaring banking

    !=

    serfdom to TBTF mega banks

    edit: although re-reading your main point is correct, I don't expect Ukip to deal with the TBTF mega-banks either but that doesn't change the main point that an ex mega bank dude is not going to appeal to the Ukip vote.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    hunchman said:

    hunchman said:

    Another factor which Farage commented on the other day in a Telegraph interview, is the fact that the (official) national debt has increased by over 40% in the nigh on first 4 years in this parliament alone, and the Westminster bubble isn't even talking about it. Listening to the budget and the mantra of tax cuts, you wouldn't believe that the government in this country has borrowed more in each of the last 4 years as a % of GDP, than the Labour government borrowed in the year preceding the 1976 IMF crisis. The complacency is staggering, and I think it will at last soon be shattered......not a moment too soon.

    And the answer to that dilemma is vote Labour?
    The answer is to have a non-debt based monetary system, an end to central banking - central planning Tractor factories or bread production didn't work, why anybody believes it should be any different with the most important thing in a functioning economy.....money as a medium of exchange, is beyond me. Yet the whole of the mainstream political establishment believes that. You'll only find Steve Baker and Douglas Carswell thinking like I do on the subject. So many of our current ills are from the egregious credit bubble we have. But until the whole system collapses, meaningful change is impossible. But I'll be fighting for those urgent and necessary changes from the credit deflation rubble that is staring us in the face, and I think is finally just about to get started.

    Nigel Farage and UKIP will benefit from the mood of discontent, yes the EU has a great many faults, but primarily it is our debt based monetary system which is at fault, the EU bureaucracy being one of the many symptoms of that said regime.

    Good night all.
    Great post. But it's not hard to see why the political and financial elites are anxious to shore up a system that has allowed them to enrich themselves. It's when the pickings get ever slimmer, and more and more people realise how they've been scammed, that things will get interesting.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    hunchman said:

    hunchman said:

    Another factor which Farage commented on the other day in a Telegraph interview, is the fact that the (official) national debt has increased by over 40% in the nigh on first 4 years in this parliament alone, and the Westminster bubble isn't even talking about it. Listening to the budget and the mantra of tax cuts, you wouldn't believe that the government in this country has borrowed more in each of the last 4 years as a % of GDP, than the Labour government borrowed in the year preceding the 1976 IMF crisis. The complacency is staggering, and I think it will at last soon be shattered......not a moment too soon.

    And the answer to that dilemma is vote Labour?
    The answer is to have a non-debt based monetary system, an end to central banking - central planning Tractor factories or bread production didn't work, why anybody believes it should be any different with the most important thing in a functioning economy.....money as a medium of exchange, is beyond me. Yet the whole of the mainstream political establishment believes that. You'll only find Steve Baker and Douglas Carswell thinking like I do on the subject. So many of our current ills are from the egregious credit bubble we have. But until the whole system collapses, meaningful change is impossible. But I'll be fighting for those urgent and necessary changes from the credit deflation rubble that is staring us in the face, and I think is finally just about to get started.

    Nigel Farage and UKIP will benefit from the mood of discontent, yes the EU has a great many faults, but primarily it is our debt based monetary system which is at fault, the EU bureaucracy being one of the many symptoms of that said regime.

    Good night all.
    Great post. But it's not hard to see why the political and financial elites are anxious to shore up a system that has allowed them to enrich themselves. It's when the pickings get ever slimmer, and more and more people realise how they've been scammed, that things will get interesting.
    Yup.
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