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Leaked poll has the Tories reduced to 14 (fourteen) seats at the next election – politicalbetting.com

? LEAKED: The Tories would win just 14 seats if a general election were called now, according to polling circulating inside Conservative Party headquarters and leaked to The Telegraph.Find out more ??https://t.co/tLONtX0HTT pic.twitter.com/71TjeCFBK6

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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,167
    edited 6:54AM
    Not good.

    The country's going to have a right wing party. It might be one that, when it's sensible, aims for a big tent approach appealing to the centre as well as the right, or it might be a bunch of lunatic rage-baiters more interested in provoking anger than solving problems.

    Edited: just to be on the safe side.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,105
    If it wasn’t for Gus Atkinson England would have nothing to bowl at here.

    As it is, with the pitch easing out it will only take one decent innings from an Aussie batsman and they are home and hosed.

    It’s pretty pathetic to be honest.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,105
    On topic, she is probably safe enough as long as Robert Jenrick is the alternative.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,720
    As with any leak, the big question is- who benefits from it? Enemies of Badenoch, but which ones? A couple of tells I'd like to ask about;

    "It's the wrong strategy" is quite touching, since it implies the Kemi has a strategy. Does the insider want to get closer to Faragism, or draw a clearer line against it?

    "It has had absolutely no effect on the polls" is another manifestation of the thing I keep moaning about- the idea that the transmission from cause to effect is an iron rod which is instant. It's more like a leaky hydraulic system filled with wet porridge. For changes to filter through to the public awareness, they need to be loud and repeated.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,123
    Her allies need to leak the pessimistic local election predictions they likely got off the back of this so she can exceed them.
  • SonofContrarianSonofContrarian Posts: 228
    ydoethur said:

    If it wasn’t for Gus Atkinson England would have nothing to bowl at here.

    As it is, with the pitch easing out it will only take one decent innings from an Aussie batsman and they are home and hosed.

    It’s pretty pathetic to be honest.

    Test cricket is supposed to be the highest form of the game .but this stuff might as well be billed as T20..🧐💩
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,898
    I’ve just seen that DRS on Jamie Smith.

    PGMOL will be offering the third umpire a job.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,105
    What do England selectors and Aussie fielders have in common?

    Neither drop Crawley.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,720
    Meanwhile, in "small posy for Auntie Beeb" news, I like what they've done with the Ashes highlights. Usual ghastly pictures, but matched to words and sounds from TMS. Neat, and presumably easy enough to do with a big enough computer.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,498
    edited 7:09AM
    So someone has cloned the GMail interface, and uploaded all of Jeffery Epstein’s released emails into it!

    https://x.com/rtwlz/status/1991855290413937049
    https://jmail.world/

    Genius!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,105
    I have to say, I think CA should also be facing awkward questions about the quality of this wicket. It’s more entertaining than the absolute roads in say, Pakistan or India (or Bristol) but it’s still not a great advert for cricket.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,616
    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,105

    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???

    The saga of the Epstein emails has already had one positive result then.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,105
    The irony is, there’s pretty clearly going to be one opener dropped for the next Test, but it’s going to be Khawaja.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,498
    edited 7:14AM
    ydoethur said:

    I have to say, I think CA should also be facing awkward questions about the quality of this wicket. It’s more entertaining than the absolute roads in say, Pakistan or India (or Bristol) but it’s still not a great advert for cricket.

    Day 3 and Day 4 ticket holders, about 120,000 of them, agree with you!

    Imagine having spent thousands flying half way around the world, to sit and watch a two-day Test Match.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,057
    Hope it's a two day Test
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,816
    The Nathan Gill conviction gives the Tories a massive opportunity to explain the clear and present danger of voting Reform. Reform are not only joined at the hip to enemy of Ukraine and Europe, Donald Trump, but now we have conclusive proof that one of their number was batting, not for Britain, but for Russia, and at a time, not long after, Dawn Sturgess was accidentally assassinated by agents of Russia.

    I hope those agencies who took down Gill are looking at any similarities anywhere else in that organisation. Did anyone else make similarly pro Russian, anti-Ukraine speeches in the European Parliament? I don't know, but perhaps someone a little more careful than Gill, did.

    So an opportunity for Tory redemption. Will they take it? Of course not. On the day Nathan Gill was sentenced, Tory Central Office were more concerned by Starmer losing his footing in South Africa.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,105
    Travis Head to open.

    He and Smith are probably the key wickets if England are to somehow scrape a win.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,498
    ydoethur said:

    Travis Head to open.

    He and Smith are probably the key wickets if England are to somehow scrape a win.

    So we need to get Head just after tea?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,720

    The Nathan Gill conviction gives the Tories a massive opportunity to explain the clear and present danger of voting Reform. Reform are not only joined at the hip to enemy of Ukraine and Europe, Donald Trump, but now we have conclusive proof that one of their number was batting, not for Britain, but for Russia, and at a time, not long after, Dawn Sturgess was accidentally assassinated by agents of Russia.

    I hope those agencies who took down Gill are looking at any similarities anywhere else in that organisation. Did anyone else make similarly pro Russian, anti-Ukraine speeches in the European Parliament? I don't know, but perhaps someone a little more careful than Gill, did.

    So an opportunity for Tory redemption. Will they take it? Of course not. On the day Nathan Gill was sentenced, Tory Central Office were more concerned by Starmer losing his footing in South Africa.

    An awful lot of Conservatives are still putting pleasure before business.

    Labour are still the opposition, but Reform are the enemy. That's uncomfortable, partly because of the number of blue to turquoise switchers, but also because Team Tory are struggling to find and advertise their USP on the right.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,105
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Travis Head to open.

    He and Smith are probably the key wickets if England are to somehow scrape a win.

    So we need to get Head just after tea?
    Has TSE hacked your account?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,306
    edited 7:24AM
    ydoethur said:

    On topic, she is probably safe enough as long as Robert Jenrick is the alternative.

    My beginning of year lay of her being replaced during 2025 looks like it’s going to pay out. And the same bet on Starmer will come in, too.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,306
    edited 7:27AM

    As with any leak, the big question is- who benefits from it? Enemies of Badenoch, but which ones? A couple of tells I'd like to ask about;

    "It's the wrong strategy" is quite touching, since it implies the Kemi has a strategy. Does the insider want to get closer to Faragism, or draw a clearer line against it?

    "It has had absolutely no effect on the polls" is another manifestation of the thing I keep moaning about- the idea that the transmission from cause to effect is an iron rod which is instant. It's more like a leaky hydraulic system filled with wet porridge. For changes to filter through to the public awareness, they need to be loud and repeated.

    What the Tories do themselves probably makes no difference, other than anything they can do to get the Reform bubble to burst, as the SDP one pretty much did during 1982. Once Reform is dented, right/leave leaning voters won’t have anywhere else to go. The problem the Tories have is that all too many of them actually agree with the Farage prospectus (such as it is).
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,982
    Didn’t Farage vow to destroy the Conservative Party. Needs a flag (naturally) to say ‘Mission Accomplished’
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,306
    edited 7:35AM
    Sandpit said:

    So someone has cloned the GMail interface, and uploaded all of Jeffery Epstein’s released emails into it!

    https://x.com/rtwlz/status/1991855290413937049
    https://jmail.world/

    Genius!

    It was nice of Flipboard’s “week in review” to tell him that he’d himself been arrested!

    And Mandy had to go because there was much more to come out, vety clearly
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,105
    Meanwhile, @rcs1000 seems to have joined the Beeb.

    Radiohead deliver a spell-binding, hit-packed set in London
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyz32pz81vo
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,105
    Australia looking ominously comfortable here.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,445
    Sandpit said:

    So someone has cloned the GMail interface, and uploaded all of Jeffery Epstein’s released emails into it!

    https://x.com/rtwlz/status/1991855290413937049
    https://jmail.world/

    Genius!

    Steve Bannon, Alan Dershowitz and Mandelson are all among his good friends, it appears
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,105
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    So someone has cloned the GMail interface, and uploaded all of Jeffery Epstein’s released emails into it!

    https://x.com/rtwlz/status/1991855290413937049
    https://jmail.world/

    Genius!

    Steve Bannon, Alan Dershowitz and Mandelson are all among his good friends, it appears
    It's really quite astonishing that for such a shrewd judge of how things will look, Mandelson is such a poor judge of character.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,306
    edited 7:51AM
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    So someone has cloned the GMail interface, and uploaded all of Jeffery Epstein’s released emails into it!

    https://x.com/rtwlz/status/1991855290413937049
    https://jmail.world/

    Genius!

    Steve Bannon, Alan Dershowitz and Mandelson are all among his good friends, it appears
    It's really quite astonishing that for such a shrewd judge of how things will look, Mandelson is such a poor judge of character.
    He likely judged his character quite shrewdly and accurately. What was misjudged was the chance of his getting caught and held to account and/or that if he ever was, that the information he had couldn’t be kept safe from the world, courtesy of some dodgy CCTV.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,720
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    So someone has cloned the GMail interface, and uploaded all of Jeffery Epstein’s released emails into it!

    https://x.com/rtwlz/status/1991855290413937049
    https://jmail.world/

    Genius!

    Steve Bannon, Alan Dershowitz and Mandelson are all among his good friends, it appears
    It's really quite astonishing that for such a shrewd judge of how things will look, Mandelson is such a poor judge of character.
    Though Mandelson's judgement of how things will look has always been directed at others more than himself. Otherwise, he wouldn't have kept having to resign.

    (He does have very good judgement of political optics, which is what makes him so useful that he kept coming back. It's also what makes his weakness at applying that judgement to himself so noteworthy. I'm not sure it's totally paradoxical; introverted judgement and extroverted judgement look similar but I suspect are wired rather differently.)
  • isamisam Posts: 43,059
    If Reform were to collapse due the Nathan Gill conviction, surely the Tories will benefit. We are constantly told that Labour are leaking votes to the left, not Reform, which makes the Tories the obvious recipient.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,306
    isam said:

    If Reform were to collapse due the Nathan Gill conviction, surely the Tories will benefit. We are constantly told that Labour are leaking votes to the left, not Reform, which makes the Tories the obvious recipient.

    If the Tories had some powerful way of puncturing the Reform bubble, the first question is whether they’d use it, given how many of them are closet sympathisers for Farage’s brand of ranty extremism? The second question is whether it would deflate Reform completely- since a flesh wound that simply allows the Tories and Reform to draw level again is the sweet spot that Labour needs for a second term?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,579

    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???

    Perhaps someone should write one for TSE ?

    In any event, the list of reasons she gives for the break is an interesting read.

    Apart from her laudable position on the Epstein case, not altogether coherent, and certainly not a pivot to the centre.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/21/marjorie-taylor-greene-resigns

    It reads as a clear attempt to adopt the MAGA mantle should Trump crash and burn.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,036
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    So someone has cloned the GMail interface, and uploaded all of Jeffery Epstein’s released emails into it!

    https://x.com/rtwlz/status/1991855290413937049
    https://jmail.world/

    Genius!

    Steve Bannon, Alan Dershowitz and Mandelson are all among his good friends, it appears
    It's really quite astonishing that for such a shrewd judge of how things will look, Mandelson is such a poor judge of character.
    He always had the same arrogance as Johnson, Trump etc.

    The rules are only for the little people.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,357
    A ~600 aggregate score test with no slips in in the final innings ?!!
  • isamisam Posts: 43,059
    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,272
    Good morning

    I am content with Badenoch and the Conservatives polling has stabilised

    A poll this week had labour on 12 seats and frankly it is too far from the next election to put any credence on either the 14 or labour's 12
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,476
    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,059
    edited 8:13AM
    IanB2 said:

    isam said:

    If Reform were to collapse due the Nathan Gill conviction, surely the Tories will benefit. We are constantly told that Labour are leaking votes to the left, not Reform, which makes the Tories the obvious recipient.

    If the Tories had some powerful way of puncturing the Reform bubble, the first question is whether they’d use it, given how many of them are closet sympathisers for Farage’s brand of ranty extremism? The second question is whether it would deflate Reform completely- since a flesh wound that simply allows the Tories and Reform to draw level again is the sweet spot that Labour needs for a second term?
    Maybe, but even if the Tories and Reform draw level on 25%, Labour are polling way below that. I suppose we’ll have to find the imaginary Lab>Ref switchers to get them over the line
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,036
    Nigelb said:

    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???

    Perhaps someone should write one for TSE ?

    In any event, the list of reasons she gives for the break is an interesting read.

    Apart from her laudable position on the Epstein case, not altogether coherent, and certainly not a pivot to the centre.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/21/marjorie-taylor-greene-resigns

    It reads as a clear attempt to adopt the MAGA mantle should Trump crash and burn.
    January is curious. The reason seems that she needs 5 years in office to get her government pension, but why not stick it out until the November election? She may well get a Primary challenger, but must have a decent chance of winning it.

    Or is she planning to run for something else?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,579
    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Or it was just Nathan implying that all his party members were equally crooked.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,036
    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
    Theres loads of Pro-Putin remarks by Farage on the record.

    Gill and Farage are birds of a feather.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,982
    Off topic. What to do about DSL broadband.

    Have lost BB connection for the second time since switching to Vodafone. Seems the support for DSL by Openreach is poor either by design or neglect. Is it time to move as Trooli have installed fibre at the end of the road?

    What’s with Openreach at the moment. Are they just forcing people off DSL?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,898

    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???

    I've only just caught up with that news, I am catching up on the cricket, F1 Grand Prix, and this news, which is another attack on the judiciary in Trump's America, I expect the judge is all shook up.

    A judge who wore an Elvis Presley wig in his courtroom - and played the singer's music from his phone - has left the building.

    Judge Matthew Thornhill is facing a six-month suspension because of disciplinary action over his conduct in Missouri.

    Under the terms of an agreement, he would then serve for 18 months before resigning from the bench for good.


    https://news.sky.com/story/judge-who-wore-elvis-wig-in-court-has-left-the-building-13473826
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,123
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???

    Perhaps someone should write one for TSE ?

    In any event, the list of reasons she gives for the break is an interesting read.

    Apart from her laudable position on the Epstein case, not altogether coherent, and certainly not a pivot to the centre.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/21/marjorie-taylor-greene-resigns

    It reads as a clear attempt to adopt the MAGA mantle should Trump crash and burn.
    January is curious. The reason seems that she needs 5 years in office to get her government pension, but why not stick it out until the November election? She may well get a Primary challenger, but must have a decent chance of winning it.

    Or is she planning to run for something else?
    If the expectation is the llm bubble is to pop next year then she’ll have been out of government at the time and ‘cleaner’ going forward.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,036
    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Theres a difference between fraud (something found in all political parties) and being a paid agent for our principal foreign threat.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,476
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
    Theres loads of Pro-Putin remarks by Farage on the record.

    Gill and Farage are birds of a feather.
    Are you seriously claiming Farage is on the same level as the convicted Nathan Gill ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,579
    It seems that Europe will have to get ready to say no to Trump, or else see its security destroyed for a generation.

    New: According to senior European officials I spoke with about the meeting noted below by the US embassy here in Kyiv, it did not go well. One senior European official described the tone of the meeting as “nauseating”.

    US army secretary Daniel Driscoll told European ambassadors and western officials he was “optimistic that now is the time for peace” — but warned that Washington would show little flexibility.

    “We are not negotiating details,” he said, according to a senior European official in the meeting at the Kyiv residence of US Chargé d’Affaires, Julie Davis. “We need to get this shit done,” he said.

    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1992020459928359381

    Let's be clear, this deal was written by Russia.
    It would be catastrophic.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,059
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
    Theres loads of Pro-Putin remarks by Farage on the record.

    Gill and Farage are birds of a feather.
    Are there? I don’t know, but apart from the interview where Farage called Putin a great operator, or something like that, I can’t remember seeing many.

    Anyway, the offence is taking bribes, not refusing to toe the line on why the conflict started
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,036
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
    Theres loads of Pro-Putin remarks by Farage on the record.

    Gill and Farage are birds of a feather.
    Are you seriously claiming Farage is on the same level as the convicted Nathan Gill ?
    No, I am saying he has the same sympathies with Putin.

    Whether he was paid, other than by Russia Today, I don't know.

  • TazTaz Posts: 22,476
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???

    Perhaps someone should write one for TSE ?

    In any event, the list of reasons she gives for the break is an interesting read.

    Apart from her laudable position on the Epstein case, not altogether coherent, and certainly not a pivot to the centre.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/21/marjorie-taylor-greene-resigns

    It reads as a clear attempt to adopt the MAGA mantle should Trump crash and burn.
    January is curious. The reason seems that she needs 5 years in office to get her government pension, but why not stick it out until the November election? She may well get a Primary challenger, but must have a decent chance of winning it.

    Or is she planning to run for something else?
    Lots of comments online that she’s got a few bucks in the bank now too.

    Enough to start a run probably.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,498
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???

    Perhaps someone should write one for TSE ?

    In any event, the list of reasons she gives for the break is an interesting read.

    Apart from her laudable position on the Epstein case, not altogether coherent, and certainly not a pivot to the centre.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/21/marjorie-taylor-greene-resigns

    It reads as a clear attempt to adopt the MAGA mantle should Trump crash and burn.
    January is curious. The reason seems that she needs 5 years in office to get her government pension, but why not stick it out until the November election? She may well get a Primary challenger, but must have a decent chance of winning it.

    Or is she planning to run for something else?
    The obvious one is that she’s running for a Gubbernatorial or Senate seat, and wants to spend the whole year on that. She can probably make good money on media work too.

    Yes the pension thing is curious, but a few people have mentioned it, you need to sit for five years in Congress in order to get a Federal pension.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,579

    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???

    I've only just caught up with that news, I am catching up on the cricket, F1 Grand Prix, and this news, which is another attack on the judiciary in Trump's America, I expect the judge is all shook up.

    A judge who wore an Elvis Presley wig in his courtroom - and played the singer's music from his phone - has left the building.

    Judge Matthew Thornhill is facing a six-month suspension because of disciplinary action over his conduct in Missouri.

    Under the terms of an agreement, he would then serve for 18 months before resigning from the bench for good.


    https://news.sky.com/story/judge-who-wore-elvis-wig-in-court-has-left-the-building-13473826
    Court filings about his case are littered with photographs of Mr Thornhill posing in a plastic Elvis wig and sunglasses - which suggests the legendary singer was always on his mind.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,059
    edited 8:22AM
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Theres a difference between fraud (something found in all political parties) and being a paid agent for our principal foreign threat.
    Yes Doc, but sometimes there are parallels between situations, such as groupthink, even when the situations aren’t exactly the same. I’m surprised it’s escaped you
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,898
    Battlebus said:

    Off topic. What to do about DSL broadband.

    Have lost BB connection for the second time since switching to Vodafone. Seems the support for DSL by Openreach is poor either by design or neglect. Is it time to move as Trooli have installed fibre at the end of the road?

    What’s with Openreach at the moment. Are they just forcing people off DSL?

    They and the ISPs are, FTTP is the future, it is much better and stable.

    On another forum I visit Openreach have stopped training new hires on anything other than FTTP.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,898
    Nigelb said:

    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???

    I've only just caught up with that news, I am catching up on the cricket, F1 Grand Prix, and this news, which is another attack on the judiciary in Trump's America, I expect the judge is all shook up.

    A judge who wore an Elvis Presley wig in his courtroom - and played the singer's music from his phone - has left the building.

    Judge Matthew Thornhill is facing a six-month suspension because of disciplinary action over his conduct in Missouri.

    Under the terms of an agreement, he would then serve for 18 months before resigning from the bench for good.


    https://news.sky.com/story/judge-who-wore-elvis-wig-in-court-has-left-the-building-13473826
    Court filings about his case are littered with photographs of Mr Thornhill posing in a plastic Elvis wig and sunglasses - which suggests the legendary singer was always on his mind.
    Sky News have followed my lead with inserting subtle music references into articles.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,476
    Nigelb said:

    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???

    I've only just caught up with that news, I am catching up on the cricket, F1 Grand Prix, and this news, which is another attack on the judiciary in Trump's America, I expect the judge is all shook up.

    A judge who wore an Elvis Presley wig in his courtroom - and played the singer's music from his phone - has left the building.

    Judge Matthew Thornhill is facing a six-month suspension because of disciplinary action over his conduct in Missouri.

    Under the terms of an agreement, he would then serve for 18 months before resigning from the bench for good.


    https://news.sky.com/story/judge-who-wore-elvis-wig-in-court-has-left-the-building-13473826
    Court filings about his case are littered with photographs of Mr Thornhill posing in a plastic Elvis wig and sunglasses - which suggests the legendary singer was always on his mind.
    That’s very good. LOL
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,380
    So which of their present MPs is up to the job?

    Good morning, everyone.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,306
    In other news, the Standard is suggesting Reeves will introduce a "tourist tax for London" in order to "raise funds for the Treasury".

    In any other country, the proceeds from a local tourist tax would go to its local government, surely?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,579

    Nigelb said:

    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???

    I've only just caught up with that news, I am catching up on the cricket, F1 Grand Prix, and this news, which is another attack on the judiciary in Trump's America, I expect the judge is all shook up.

    A judge who wore an Elvis Presley wig in his courtroom - and played the singer's music from his phone - has left the building.

    Judge Matthew Thornhill is facing a six-month suspension because of disciplinary action over his conduct in Missouri.

    Under the terms of an agreement, he would then serve for 18 months before resigning from the bench for good.


    https://news.sky.com/story/judge-who-wore-elvis-wig-in-court-has-left-the-building-13473826
    Court filings about his case are littered with photographs of Mr Thornhill posing in a plastic Elvis wig and sunglasses - which suggests the legendary singer was always on his mind.
    Sky News have followed my lead with inserting subtle music references into articles.
    I'm all shook up at that suggestion.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,898
    AnneJGP said:

    So which of their present MPs is up to the job?

    Good morning, everyone.

    Sir Jeremy Hunt.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,860
    IanB2 said:

    In other news, the Standard is suggesting Reeves will introduce a "tourist tax for London" in order to "raise funds for the Treasury".

    In any other country, the proceeds from a local tourist tax would go to its local government, surely?

    Can be netted against all the other goodies London gets from central government.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,476
    The true winner of the Covid enquiry.

    The worlds greatest profession

    Lawyers

    Trebles all round


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,498
    Pub quiz question, who is quoted by the FT Weekend section today in their headline, as saying:

    “I’ve been underestimated for my whole life”..?

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,641
    I think this poll overestimates the Tory losses. Another poll from MiC yesterday suggested the Tories could get tactical votes to beat Labour or Reform for instance in Conservative v Labour or Conservative v Reform seats.

    Yet while Kemi has got the Tories back closer to 20% with a few gains from Reform in the polls since the party conference, the party is still polling below even the 24% Rishi got at the general election. If the Conservatives see losses at the devolved and local elections in May then Kemi could face a no confidence vote from Tory MPs she loses. Tory MPs would then have a choice of electing Cleverly to try and maximise tactical votes from Labour and the LDs against Reform in Tory held seats or giving Jenrick enough nominations to go to a membership vote he might now win on a platform of trying to out Farage Farage on leaving the ECHR and scrapping net zero even more than Kemi has

  • TazTaz Posts: 22,476
    edited 8:30AM
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???

    Perhaps someone should write one for TSE ?

    In any event, the list of reasons she gives for the break is an interesting read.

    Apart from her laudable position on the Epstein case, not altogether coherent, and certainly not a pivot to the centre.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/21/marjorie-taylor-greene-resigns

    It reads as a clear attempt to adopt the MAGA mantle should Trump crash and burn.
    January is curious. The reason seems that she needs 5 years in office to get her government pension, but why not stick it out until the November election? She may well get a Primary challenger, but must have a decent chance of winning it.

    Or is she planning to run for something else?
    The obvious one is that she’s running for a Gubbernatorial or Senate seat, and wants to spend the whole year on that. She can probably make good money on media work too.

    Yes the pension thing is curious, but a few people have mentioned it, you need to sit for five years in Congress in order to get a Federal pension.
    What’s her politics. Unlike a few here I’m not really into US politics unless it affects the global markets.

    The only things I know about her is she told Emily Maitlis to ‘fuck off’ which is a plus, and some nutcase called Lara Loomer made comments about her oral capabilities with men other than her hubby.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,925
    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
    Theres loads of Pro-Putin remarks by Farage on the record.

    Gill and Farage are birds of a feather.
    Are there? I don’t know, but apart from the interview where Farage called Putin a great operator, or something like that, I can’t remember seeing many.

    Anyway, the offence is taking bribes, not refusing to toe the line on why the conflict started
    Not that I’m defending Gill, but it’s amazing what a difference context makes. Didn’t the Tories take large amounts of Russian money within living memory? Also the Labour Party appears to have accepted ‘contributions’ from Israel one way or another.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,641
    Nigelb said:

    It seems that Europe will have to get ready to say no to Trump, or else see its security destroyed for a generation.

    New: According to senior European officials I spoke with about the meeting noted below by the US embassy here in Kyiv, it did not go well. One senior European official described the tone of the meeting as “nauseating”.

    US army secretary Daniel Driscoll told European ambassadors and western officials he was “optimistic that now is the time for peace” — but warned that Washington would show little flexibility.

    “We are not negotiating details,” he said, according to a senior European official in the meeting at the Kyiv residence of US Chargé d’Affaires, Julie Davis. “We need to get this shit done,” he said.

    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1992020459928359381

    Let's be clear, this deal was written by Russia.
    It would be catastrophic.

    Not just Europe, Canada and Australia would also reject the deal as it stands and Zelensky also met Erdogan last week
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,036

    AnneJGP said:

    So which of their present MPs is up to the job?

    Good morning, everyone.

    Sir Jeremy Hunt.
    I used to have some respect for him. He was a competent SoS for Health, and good as Foreign Sec, but the salting of the Earth he did as CoE rules him out. He deliberately concealed the state of the public finances by not doing a spending review etc.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,720

    AnneJGP said:

    So which of their present MPs is up to the job?

    Good morning, everyone.

    Sir Jeremy Hunt.
    He may well have the technical chops, when none of the other possibles do. Unfortunately,

    a) there's not much sign he wants the job
    b) there's not much sign the party want him doing the job
    c) it brings the Conservative record in the runup to 2024 back into play.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,877
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???

    I've only just caught up with that news, I am catching up on the cricket, F1 Grand Prix, and this news, which is another attack on the judiciary in Trump's America, I expect the judge is all shook up.

    A judge who wore an Elvis Presley wig in his courtroom - and played the singer's music from his phone - has left the building.

    Judge Matthew Thornhill is facing a six-month suspension because of disciplinary action over his conduct in Missouri.

    Under the terms of an agreement, he would then serve for 18 months before resigning from the bench for good.


    https://news.sky.com/story/judge-who-wore-elvis-wig-in-court-has-left-the-building-13473826
    Court filings about his case are littered with photographs of Mr Thornhill posing in a plastic Elvis wig and sunglasses - which suggests the legendary singer was always on his mind.
    Sky News have followed my lead with inserting subtle music references into articles.
    I'm all shook up at that suggestion.
    I don't think he and the court could go on together with these suspicious finds.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,476

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
    Theres loads of Pro-Putin remarks by Farage on the record.

    Gill and Farage are birds of a feather.
    Are there? I don’t know, but apart from the interview where Farage called Putin a great operator, or something like that, I can’t remember seeing many.

    Anyway, the offence is taking bribes, not refusing to toe the line on why the conflict started
    Not that I’m defending Gill, but it’s amazing what a difference context makes. Didn’t the Tories take large amounts of Russian money within living memory? Also the Labour Party appears to have accepted ‘contributions’ from Israel one way or another.
    And Russia in labours case too.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-lords-who-worked-russia-thrown-out-browder-2022-3
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,641
    isam said:

    IanB2 said:

    isam said:

    If Reform were to collapse due the Nathan Gill conviction, surely the Tories will benefit. We are constantly told that Labour are leaking votes to the left, not Reform, which makes the Tories the obvious recipient.

    If the Tories had some powerful way of puncturing the Reform bubble, the first question is whether they’d use it, given how many of them are closet sympathisers for Farage’s brand of ranty extremism? The second question is whether it would deflate Reform completely- since a flesh wound that simply allows the Tories and Reform to draw level again is the sweet spot that Labour needs for a second term?
    Maybe, but even if the Tories and Reform draw level on 25%, Labour are polling way below that. I suppose we’ll have to find the imaginary Lab>Ref switchers to get them over the line
    Labour needs to win back voters lost to the Greens since the last general election who now are more than Labour voters lost to Reform
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,898
    Taz said:

    The true winner of the Covid enquiry.

    The worlds greatest profession

    Lawyers

    Trebles all round


    Worth every penny.

    There's a reason why the country keeps on voting for lawyers to be Prime Minister.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/28/robert-jenricks-secret-weapon-being-a-lawyer-as-the-country-loves-lawyers/
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,036

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
    Theres loads of Pro-Putin remarks by Farage on the record.

    Gill and Farage are birds of a feather.
    Are there? I don’t know, but apart from the interview where Farage called Putin a great operator, or something like that, I can’t remember seeing many.

    Anyway, the offence is taking bribes, not refusing to toe the line on why the conflict started
    Not that I’m defending Gill, but it’s amazing what a difference context makes. Didn’t the Tories take large amounts of Russian money within living memory? Also the Labour Party appears to have accepted ‘contributions’ from Israel one way or another.
    There has never been a proper public investigation of Russian money in British politics.

    Probably because there are politicians in all parties that have taken it, either legally or illegally.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,816
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
    Theres loads of Pro-Putin remarks by Farage on the record.

    Gill and Farage are birds of a feather.
    Are you seriously claiming Farage is on the same level as the convicted Nathan Gill ?
    I can't remember who it was, probably not Farage, but someone from UKIP/ Brexit was making remarkably similar pro- Russian, anti- Ukraine speeches contemporaneously to those made by Gill in the European Parliament. Uncanny!

    If only I could remember who that was.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,616
    Nigelb said:

    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???

    Perhaps someone should write one for TSE ?

    In any event, the list of reasons she gives for the break is an interesting read.

    Apart from her laudable position on the Epstein case, not altogether coherent, and certainly not a pivot to the centre.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/21/marjorie-taylor-greene-resigns

    It reads as a clear attempt to adopt the MAGA mantle should Trump crash and burn.
    I just don't see where her "base" is coming from. No Democrats. Doubt indeprendents are impressed. Which leaves the not-Trumper Republicans. Can't see that being enough - unless and until Trump falls under the Epstein bus and she can play the "Told you so..." card.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,036
    Pro_Rata said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    What, not a header on MTG resigning from Congress from January???

    I've only just caught up with that news, I am catching up on the cricket, F1 Grand Prix, and this news, which is another attack on the judiciary in Trump's America, I expect the judge is all shook up.

    A judge who wore an Elvis Presley wig in his courtroom - and played the singer's music from his phone - has left the building.

    Judge Matthew Thornhill is facing a six-month suspension because of disciplinary action over his conduct in Missouri.

    Under the terms of an agreement, he would then serve for 18 months before resigning from the bench for good.


    https://news.sky.com/story/judge-who-wore-elvis-wig-in-court-has-left-the-building-13473826
    Court filings about his case are littered with photographs of Mr Thornhill posing in a plastic Elvis wig and sunglasses - which suggests the legendary singer was always on his mind.
    Sky News have followed my lead with inserting subtle music references into articles.
    I'm all shook up at that suggestion.
    I don't think he and the court could go on together with these suspicious finds.
    Theres always something on his mind when sending someone to the jailhouse rock.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,476

    Taz said:

    The true winner of the Covid enquiry.

    The worlds greatest profession

    Lawyers

    Trebles all round


    Worth every penny.

    There's a reason why the country keeps on voting for lawyers to be Prime Minister.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/28/robert-jenricks-secret-weapon-being-a-lawyer-as-the-country-loves-lawyers/
    I knew you’d be impressed, Sir !
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,476
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
    Theres loads of Pro-Putin remarks by Farage on the record.

    Gill and Farage are birds of a feather.
    Are there? I don’t know, but apart from the interview where Farage called Putin a great operator, or something like that, I can’t remember seeing many.

    Anyway, the offence is taking bribes, not refusing to toe the line on why the conflict started
    Not that I’m defending Gill, but it’s amazing what a difference context makes. Didn’t the Tories take large amounts of Russian money within living memory? Also the Labour Party appears to have accepted ‘contributions’ from Israel one way or another.
    There has never been a proper public investigation of Russian money in British politics.

    Probably because there are politicians in all parties that have taken it, either legally or illegally.
    I’d think the Greens would be the only ones untainted.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,641
    Foss said:

    Her allies need to leak the pessimistic local election predictions they likely got off the back of this so she can exceed them.

    Kemi might see the Tories retake Westminster and Barnet next year from Labour where Reform are weak, even with Tory losses elsewhere
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,816
    isam said:

    If Reform were to collapse due the Nathan Gill conviction, surely the Tories will benefit. We are constantly told that Labour are leaking votes to the left, not Reform, which makes the Tories the obvious recipient.

    Of course the Tories would benefit, so get to it and take Reform's traitors down.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,272

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
    Theres loads of Pro-Putin remarks by Farage on the record.

    Gill and Farage are birds of a feather.
    Are you seriously claiming Farage is on the same level as the convicted Nathan Gill ?
    I can't remember who it was, probably not Farage, but someone from UKIP/ Brexit was making remarkably similar pro- Russian, anti- Ukraine speeches contemporaneously to those made by Gill in the European Parliament. Uncanny!

    If only I could remember who that was.
    In the reporting yesterday it was confirmed that police across Europe are continuing investigations into whether anyone else was involved
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,720
    edited 8:41AM

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
    Theres loads of Pro-Putin remarks by Farage on the record.

    Gill and Farage are birds of a feather.
    Are you seriously claiming Farage is on the same level as the convicted Nathan Gill ?
    I can't remember who it was, probably not Farage, but someone from UKIP/ Brexit was making remarkably similar pro- Russian, anti- Ukraine speeches contemporaneously to those made by Gill in the European Parliament. Uncanny!

    If only I could remember who that was.
    As long as they did it without taking money, or making sure they lost the receipts, they will be fine, I'm sure. Certainly from a criminal point of view.

    "Saying similar things to Gill without even being paid for it" probably shouldn't be a political defence, but that depends on how teflon any such figure is, if they even exist.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,641
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
    Theres loads of Pro-Putin remarks by Farage on the record.

    Gill and Farage are birds of a feather.
    Are there? I don’t know, but apart from the interview where Farage called Putin a great operator, or something like that, I can’t remember seeing many.

    Anyway, the offence is taking bribes, not refusing to toe the line on why the conflict started
    Not that I’m defending Gill, but it’s amazing what a difference context makes. Didn’t the Tories take large amounts of Russian money within living memory? Also the Labour Party appears to have accepted ‘contributions’ from Israel one way or another.
    There has never been a proper public investigation of Russian money in British politics.

    Probably because there are politicians in all parties that have taken it, either legally or illegally.
    I’d think the Greens would be the only ones untainted.
    Plus the LDs and centrist Tories and Labour
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,117
    Apparently Starmer's supine response to the surrender plan is to say, "we have to work from where we are," which sounds like someone accommodating themselves to US surrender.

    The surrender plan represents a complete failure of Starmer's diplomatic policy in relation to Trump, which was about the only thing of his premiership that people were willing to give him any credit for.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,641

    Taz said:

    The true winner of the Covid enquiry.

    The worlds greatest profession

    Lawyers

    Trebles all round


    Worth every penny.

    There's a reason why the country keeps on voting for lawyers to be Prime Minister.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/28/robert-jenricks-secret-weapon-being-a-lawyer-as-the-country-loves-lawyers/
    Jenrick is really a historian who did a law conversion course post graduation and dabbled in law for a corporate law firm. He did not study law at university like Starmer, Blair or Howard or Attlee
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,036
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
    Theres loads of Pro-Putin remarks by Farage on the record.

    Gill and Farage are birds of a feather.
    Are there? I don’t know, but apart from the interview where Farage called Putin a great operator, or something like that, I can’t remember seeing many.

    Anyway, the offence is taking bribes, not refusing to toe the line on why the conflict started
    Not that I’m defending Gill, but it’s amazing what a difference context makes. Didn’t the Tories take large amounts of Russian money within living memory? Also the Labour Party appears to have accepted ‘contributions’ from Israel one way or another.
    There has never been a proper public investigation of Russian money in British politics.

    Probably because there are politicians in all parties that have taken it, either legally or illegally.
    I’d think the Greens would be the only ones untainted.
    Putins strategy to undermine western democracies is to stir up radical voices on both far left and far right, both by their trolls and by funding politicians and activists.

    So it wouldn't surprise me to find that they have tried to influence Greens, SNP etc etc.

    But it is more pressing to scrutinise parties and individuals who might be taking positions in government. Dave Spart doesn't really matter that much.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,616

    Apparently Starmer's supine response to the surrender plan is to say, "we have to work from where we are," which sounds like someone accommodating themselves to US surrender.

    The surrender plan represents a complete failure of Starmer's diplomatic policy in relation to Trump, which was about the only thing of his premiership that people were willing to give him any credit for.

    The surrender plan shows the stength of the kompromat that Putin has on Trump and the weakness of Trump due to Epstein.

    Putin has played his card.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,247
    I don't really know why Jeremy Hunt isn't Shadow COTE. It would make sense if the idea was to forge a bold new path and draw a line under Rishinomics, but this hasn't really happened. Mel Stride spends a lot of his time defending the last Government's economic record. So why not have the engine driver, rather than the oily rag?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,117
    Christ. 17 runs off that Stokes over.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,816
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
    Theres loads of Pro-Putin remarks by Farage on the record.

    Gill and Farage are birds of a feather.
    Are there? I don’t know, but apart from the interview where Farage called Putin a great operator, or something like that, I can’t remember seeing many.

    Anyway, the offence is taking bribes, not refusing to toe the line on why the conflict started
    Not that I’m defending Gill, but it’s amazing what a difference context makes. Didn’t the Tories take large amounts of Russian money within living memory? Also the Labour Party appears to have accepted ‘contributions’ from Israel one way or another.
    There has never been a proper public investigation of Russian money in British politics.

    Probably because there are politicians in all parties that have taken it, either legally or illegally.
    We might have to rerun the EU Referendum again. That was shrouded by Russian smoke and mirrors.

    I still think the biggest conflict of national interest since Profumo ( probably since the War) was a serving Foreign Secretary attending a private party thrown by a KGB grandee and later elevating his son to the House of Lords. Probably nothing to see, but surely an investigation would be prudent.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,655
    Oh no not another trip to Washington for European leaders .

    Enough with this nauseating begging .
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,089
    Battlebus said:

    What’s with Openreach at the moment. Are they just forcing people off DSL?

    Yes.

    They want to retire the entire copper network
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,641

    AnneJGP said:

    So which of their present MPs is up to the job?

    Good morning, everyone.

    Sir Jeremy Hunt.
    To be honest Hunt has more chance being elected by LD MPs and LD members to succeed Sir Ed Davey as LD leader now than he has of Tory MPs and Conservative members electing him to succeed Badenoch
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,247
    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    So which of their present MPs is up to the job?

    Good morning, everyone.

    Sir Jeremy Hunt.
    To be honest Hunt has more chance being elected by LD MPs and LD members to succeed Sir Ed Davey as LD leader now than he has of Tory MPs and Conservative members electing him to succeed Badenoch
    Agreed, but he should be in the Shadow Cabinet.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,117
    Apparently the US has issued a NOTAM declaring a no-fly zone over Venezuela until 19th February 2026. A 90-day war?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,089
    Somebody made this comment yesterday

    It should be easy to make money betting on England, as at some point in every match they are 4/1 on and 4/1 against
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,816

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Some front for Nathan Gill to have tweeted this knowing what he was doing. Lefties do seem to be implying all of his party members are equally crooked though

    Ex-MP Jared O'Mara charged with seven counts of fraud, you have to delve deep to find out what party he belonged to. Could you imagine if he had been UKIP, it would have been front page news implying all party members are equally crooked. Oh BBC 🙄

    https://x.com/nathangillmep/status/1428415345581305864?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They’re desperate for some shit to stick to Farage. It’s politics. All part of the game.
    Theres loads of Pro-Putin remarks by Farage on the record.

    Gill and Farage are birds of a feather.
    Are you seriously claiming Farage is on the same level as the convicted Nathan Gill ?
    I can't remember who it was, probably not Farage, but someone from UKIP/ Brexit was making remarkably similar pro- Russian, anti- Ukraine speeches contemporaneously to those made by Gill in the European Parliament. Uncanny!

    If only I could remember who that was.
    As long as they did it without taking money, or making sure they lost the receipts, they will be fine, I'm sure. Certainly from a criminal point of view.

    "Saying similar things to Gill without even being paid for it" probably shouldn't be a political defence, but that depends on how teflon any such figure is, if they even exist.
    Nathan Gill appeared to be incredibly thick too. Someone more sophisticated, if they existed, would more likely than not have covered their tracks.

    In terms of the war chest Russia has available to indulge in covert activity, Nathan Gill massively undersold himself.
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