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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,811
    Andy_JS said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I've been busy all day but have I got it right that some Labour MPs want to replace Starmer with one of -

    1.Someone who has not been in Parliament for nearly 9 years and got 19% of the vote when he stood for leader last time (Andy Burnham).
    2. A nitwit who came third when she stood for Labour leader in 2020 with 16% of the vote (Lisa Nandy).
    3. Another nitwit (Lucy Powell).
    4. Someone convicted of fraud a decade ago (Louise Haigh) though, ironically, she appears to be more intelligent than the others and had a better record in her short Ministerial career.

    Do they think emulating the Tory party's policy of ousting leaders every year or so is a good idea? Or are they all a bunch of panicking nitwits?

    The public probably wants someone from outside politics like Martin Lewis or Matthew Syed. The Dutch recently had someone like this as PM.
    America tried this in 2016 with a president who was a property developer and television presenter rather than state governor or senator.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,406
    Roger said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    I haven't been following but it seems Zelenski has feet of clay.

    Surely not?

    If anyone seemed straight it was him. How depressing

    The corruption scandal doesn't (yet?) seemed to involve him personally, but rather a number of close associates.

    I interpret the actions of the Ukranian Parliament to show a robust vitality. We wouldn't see such a display of dirty linen inthe Russian Duma, or in Washington DC for that matter.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/ukrainian-parliament-sacks-justice-minister-galushchenko-2025-11-19/?link_source=ta_bluesky_link&taid=691dfd700aed890001bfc771&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=bluesky
    It's that his support has plumetted down to 20% (according to newsnight) that is most significant. It looks like he's going to be replaced.

    But thanks for that. I get reading....
    The poll that is quoted is here: https://kyivindependent.com/around-25-of-ukrainians-wants-zelensky-to-remain-president-after-war-poll-shows

    And the bit that is being plucked from there is the statistic that only 25% of Ukrainians want Zelenskky to remain President after the war.

    But his approval rating as a wartime leader is somewhat diffferent: it's 60% trust him to lead Ukraine through the war, while 35% do not.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,811

    HYUFD said:

    Far too little attention is paid to the fact that without China, Russia would not be able to continue fighting the war as they are. On Trump's watch they have upped their level of support.

    China is officially neutral on the Russia-Ukraine war and officially wants a peace deal, unlike N Korea which has sent troops to help Russia. China just has not cut economic ties with Russia
    That's nonsense.

    Firstly why do you assume that China's official position is the same as their actual one? Do you take them at their word? They have been providing all kinds of essential military technology. No-one seems to dispute that.
    China has been doing very little for Russia and has even reduced oil purchases, on which it was getting a discount and using a pipeline built at Russia's expense. You might be thinking of Iran or North Korea which have provided drones and their designs, and soldiers.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,616
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    Roger said:

    Ratters said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Re Zelenski. It's his business partner who seems to be behind it and he has now escaped to Israel. A multi million dollar fraud......

    They are now demanding elections. It sounds like Zelenski is in trouble. The Americans are now proposing an unfavourable peace deal and with this going on and Zelenski weakened it strikes me they will not be in a strong positiion to resist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhlM_Oh_lZw
    It's like our Saturday morning visitors did a podcast spinoff series.

    Even GB News would be embarrassed by such garbage.
    I've just been reading what I can find. The facts are

    1. The US is proposing a peace deal which is completely unacceptable to Ukraine
    2. Zelenski's popularity because of the corruption scandal is down to 20% (ref Newsnight)
    3. The pressure for him to accept a deal brokered by Trump will be extreme because of 1+2

    I'm not sure what Tucker Carlson or Netanyahu has to do with anything?
    Do a bit of due diligence on who you are linking to. Just because it *sounds* reasonable, doesn’t mean it isn’t batshit insane propaganda.

    Remember the Lisa Kudrow character in “Death to 2020”?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,499
    It appears the reporting about the US taking Russia's absurd demands seriously has some truth in it.

    Ending a complex and deadly war such as the one in Ukraine requires an extensive exchange of serious and realistic ideas. And achieving a durable peace will require both sides to agree to difficult but necessary concessions. That is why we are and will continue to develop a list of potential ideas for ending this war based on input from both sides of this conflict.
    https://x.com/marcorubio/status/1991297619964854460
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,499
    Their are some grounds for optimism, as Rogerdamus now seems to be backing Russia.
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