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In 2009 the Telegraph classified EdM as one of "The Expenses' Saints" http://t.co/9CQ46kY2Xr Most frugal in cabinet pic.twitter.com/kulVAnvKV2

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  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    First to comment, but not first out of the cabinet, unlike Maria Miller.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    An "expenses saint" from the party of expenses sinners.....remind me, how many Conservative MPs went to prison?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Will it happen before PMQs or after?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Ed Miliband lives in London despite where his Westminster seat is situated Not sure he really wants to highlight his lack of commitment to his constituency seat.

    FPT. - Financier Posts: 1,480
    April 8
    For Topic 1, the scores on the doors are:

    To the questions: "Should remain in current Role" and "Should resign from their role and be replaced"

    Maria Miller: 9 remain and 63 resign
    Nick Clegg: 23/52
    Michael Gove: 27/47
    Ed Milliband: 33/46
    Vince Cable: 30/40
    Ed Balls: 35/40
    IDS: 38/37
    George Osborn: 42/37
    David Cameron: 51/32
    Theresa May: 43/30

    An "expenses saint" from the party of expenses sinners.....remind me, how many Conservative MPs went to prison?

  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    AndyJS said:

    Will it happen before PMQs or after?

    Maybe they will announce it while the news stations are doing live feeds from the Pistorius trial.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    First to comment, but not first out of the cabinet, unlike Maria Miller.

    Wouldn't that have been David Laws?

  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Good point.

    First to comment, but not first out of the cabinet, unlike Maria Miller.

    Wouldn't that have been David Laws?

  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    I was at an Association Executive meeting yesterday and the feeling there was much as outlined above. No-one was prepared to defend Miller or Cameron in this. I was tempted to defend Cameron not acting (yet) but didn't want to sidetrack an already verbose and lengthy meeting on what is - from an Association point of view - nothing more than political chat.

    Miller has to go; the question is timing. I can well understand Cameron not wanting to be pushed into this by the press. Memories of Back to Basics runs deep, where the press simply went on one hunting mission after another because they could and because it tied in to a lazy narrative (and not one that Major really launched in the first place). If you give them one scalp, they'll be back for more.

    In addition, if Cameron does want to reshuffle the cabinet before the election, it'll be a complex job in a coalition and something to be negotiated with Clegg if it's to involve Lib Dems or current Lib Dem portfolios. Being bounced into it after losing a man (or woman) overboard is not the ideal launchpad. On the other hand, if he goes in for the minimalist reshuffle that's followed previous resignations, it may well mean having someone in post for a matter of weeks only or an existing minister doubling up, which is as clear a flag-up for the full reshuffle as possible and will put everyone in the government on red alert.

    I fully expect Miller to go. My assumption is that Cameron would prefer to sack her in his own time, probably shortly after the May elections when the current hoo-haa has died down. It's probably about 50/50 whether she can last that long, dependent on what else there is to come out and how soon events throw the spotlight elsewhere.
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    - "The Miller expenses case has touched a raw nerve that neither she nor Cameron anticipated"

    Of course they didn't. £90,000 is small change to them. They have not got the slighest clue how this looks to normal people.
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    That UKIP price looks like it might be value. Anyone got local knowledge?

    Ladbrokes - Basingstoke (Con maj, Maria Miller MP = 13,176)

    Con 1/20
    Lab 16/1
    UKIP 20/1
    LD 20/1

    Result 2010:

    Con (Maria Miller) 25,590
    LD 12,414
    Lab 10,327
    UKIP 2,076
    oth 247
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Actually, on second thoughts, it is actually the LAB 16/1 that looks like the value punt in Basingstoke.

    Reasoning: take a chunk of CON and add them to the UKIP pile. Take a chunk of LD and add them to the LAB pile. Result = a lot tighter than 2010. So that CON 1/20 price looks short.
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    The other thing about Basingstoke is that I am assuming that LAB have a half-decent GOTV operation in seats like this (evidence = over 10,000 votes last time), whereas I'm assuming that UKIP will have to largely ignore the vast majority of seats, including perhaps this one?
  • Not so "devastated" it would seem that she is prepared to consider her position.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited April 2014

    The other thing about Basingstoke is that I am assuming that LAB have a half-decent GOTV operation in seats like this (evidence = over 10,000 votes last time), whereas I'm assuming that UKIP will have to largely ignore the vast majority of seats, including perhaps this one?

    Only a Swedish resident of Scots origin with no knowledge of the Home Counties could suggest that Labour might win Basingstoke.

    Basingstoke is located sufficiently distant from London to be immune from the contagion of metropolitan socialism. It is an old market town which was only lightly industrialised in the nineteenth century. Its most famous son is a retailer: Thomas Burberry.

    A quick read of Basingstoke's Wiki entry will give a flavour of the town:

    the Basingstoke Sports Centre which has a subterranean swimming pool, sauna, jacuzzi and steam room. Above ground there is a gym, aerobics studios, squash courts and main hall. There is also a playden for young children."

    "{It] is also home to multiple theatrical organisations: The Anvil, the Haymarket (in the former Corn Exchange), Fluid Motion Theatre Company and Proteus Theatre."

    "[It] has a wide diversity for musical groups. Ranging from brass bands to symphony orchestras."

    "there is a leisure park featuring the Aquadrome swimming pool, which opened in May 2002. The park also includes an ice rink, bowling alley, Bingo club and a ten screen cinema, as well as a restaurant and fast food outlets. The leisure park is also home to the Milestones Museum which contains a network of streets and buildings based on the history of Hampshire."


    Basingstoke is stereotypically Southern blue: a place where Hyacinth Bucket would aspire to live. Full of "decent" employers who don't require you to get your hands dirty (De La Rue, Sun Life Financial of Canada, The Automobile Association, ST Ericsson, GAME, Motorola, Barracuda Networks, Eli Lilly and Company, BNP PARIBAS Lease Group UK, Sony Professional Solutions (Europe) and TaylorMade-Adidas Golf Company).

    It is a place too self-content, hard working and prosperous to be Lib Dem; too unsulllied and unneedy to be Labour; too self-conscious and worthily occupied to be UKIP.

    The town could take a million Maria Miller resignations and still remain Conservative.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    The Tory majority was indeed substantial in 2010 but over the years it’s been a lot less. In 2001, for example it was 880 over Labour, although that was Labour’s high point. In 2005 Millers majority was 4800 over Labour with almost 10k LD votes.
  • Avery, you have excelled yourself. You are the spiritual heir to John Betjeman.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    If Ed goes heavy on expenses and Miller then he might find the whole expenses row gets reheated, including a few on his own front bench. Few MPs want the whole expenses business to be the focus of the years campaign. Better to leave this Minister to the hounds of the press
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    The other thing about Basingstoke is that I am assuming that LAB have a half-decent GOTV operation in seats like this (evidence = over 10,000 votes last time), whereas I'm assuming that UKIP will have to largely ignore the vast majority of seats, including perhaps this one?

    No direct knowledge but that ought to be the case providing they kept up the momentum from the early Blair years. It 'ought' to be safe Tory: from Wikipedia: "Basingstoke is a constituency represented in the House of Commons of the U.K. Parliament. With the exception of a 1923-1924 Liberal Party MP, since modern creation in 1885 it has elected Conservative MPs".

    However, in 1997, Labour came within 2400 of winning (polling 22.3k), and in 2001, they reduced the majority further, to 880, albeit with a drop in vote to 19.6k. It is not entirely safe, though it would take something very much out of the ordinary to shift it from the blue column. Are these expenses problems enough? Not sure.

    The other point is that the Lib Dems clearly do have some sort of presence, finishing second last time. While they might be expected to drop back into third or even fourth, their vote probably isn't quite as easy to squeeze as in some other constituencies. A by-election would be a very open contest; a general election should still have Tories as favourite - though not 1/20 if Miller remains candidate. That said, I think Shadsy's priced his over-rounds well and I'm not sure there's much value in either UKIP or Lab.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    AveryLP said:

    The other thing about Basingstoke is that I am assuming that LAB have a half-decent GOTV operation in seats like this (evidence = over 10,000 votes last time), whereas I'm assuming that UKIP will have to largely ignore the vast majority of seats, including perhaps this one?

    Only a Swedish resident of Scots origin with no knowledge of the Home Counties could suggest that Labour might win Basingstoke.

    Basingstoke is located sufficiently distant from London to be immune from the contagion of metropolitan socialism. It is an old market town which was only lightly industrialised in the nineteenth century. Its most famous son is a retailer: Thomas Burberry.

    A quick read of Basingstoke's Wiki entry will give a flavour of the town:

    the Basingstoke Sports Centre which has a subterranean swimming pool, sauna, jacuzzi and steam room. Above ground there is a gym, aerobics studios, squash courts and main hall. There is also a playden for young children."

    "{It] is also home to multiple theatrical organisations: The Anvil, the Haymarket (in the former Corn Exchange), Fluid Motion Theatre Company and Proteus Theatre."

    "[It] has a wide diversity for musical groups. Ranging from brass bands to symphony orchestras."

    "there is a leisure park featuring the Aquadrome swimming pool, which opened in May 2002. The park also includes an ice rink, bowling alley, Bingo club and a ten screen cinema, as well as a restaurant and fast food outlets. The leisure park is also home to the Milestones Museum which contains a network of streets and buildings based on the history of Hampshire."


    Basingstoke is stereotypically Southern blue: a place where Hyacinth Bucket would aspire to live. Full of "decent" employers who don't require you to get your hands dirty (De La Rue, Sun Life Financial of Canada, The Automobile Association, ST Ericsson, GAME, Motorola, Barracuda Networks, Eli Lilly and Company, BNP PARIBAS Lease Group UK, Sony Professional Solutions (Europe) and TaylorMade-Adidas Golf Company).

    It is a place too self-content, hard working and prosperous to be Lib Dem; too unsulllied and unneedy to be Labour; too self-conscious and worthily occupied to be UKIP.

    The town could take a million Maria Miller resignations and still remain Conservative.
    In short it's the kind of place the Tories should forget about while they try work out how to charm the factory workers of North Warwickshire 55 of whom could cost Cameron an MP.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    The other thing about Basingstoke is that I am assuming that LAB have a half-decent GOTV operation in seats like this (evidence = over 10,000 votes last time), whereas I'm assuming that UKIP will have to largely ignore the vast majority of seats, including perhaps this one?

    Only a Swedish resident of Scots origin with no knowledge of the Home Counties could suggest that Labour might win Basingstoke.

    Basingstoke is located sufficiently distant from London to be immune from the contagion of metropolitan socialism. It is an old market town which was only lightly industrialised in the nineteenth century. Its most famous son is a retailer: Thomas Burberry.

    A quick read of Basingstoke's Wiki entry will give a flavour of the town:

    the Basingstoke Sports Centre which has a subterranean swimming pool, sauna, jacuzzi and steam room. Above ground there is a gym, aerobics studios, squash courts and main hall. There is also a playden for young children."

    "{It] is also home to multiple theatrical organisations: The Anvil, the Haymarket (in the former Corn Exchange), Fluid Motion Theatre Company and Proteus Theatre."

    "[It] has a wide diversity for musical groups. Ranging from brass bands to symphony orchestras."

    "there is a leisure park featuring the Aquadrome swimming pool, which opened in May 2002. The park also includes an ice rink, bowling alley, Bingo club and a ten screen cinema, as well as a restaurant and fast food outlets. The leisure park is also home to the Milestones Museum which contains a network of streets and buildings based on the history of Hampshire."


    Basingstoke is stereotypically Southern blue: a place where Hyacinth Bucket would aspire to live. Full of "decent" employers who don't require you to get your hands dirty (De La Rue, Sun Life Financial of Canada, The Automobile Association, ST Ericsson, GAME, Motorola, Barracuda Networks, Eli Lilly and Company, BNP PARIBAS Lease Group UK, Sony Professional Solutions (Europe) and TaylorMade-Adidas Golf Company).

    It is a place too self-content, hard working and prosperous to be Lib Dem; too unsulllied and unneedy to be Labour; too self-conscious and worthily occupied to be UKIP.

    The town could take a million Maria Miller resignations and still remain Conservative.
    In short it's the kind of place the Tories should forget about while they try work out how to charm the factory workers of North Warwickshire 55 of whom could cost Cameron an MP.
    Good morning, Mr. Brooke.

    How was your penance at the tomb of St. Thomas a Becket? Profitable?

    Equally so, did you close your deal yesterday?

    There are many things more important than the fifty five floaters of North Warwickshire.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    The other thing about Basingstoke is that I am assuming that LAB have a half-decent GOTV operation in seats like this (evidence = over 10,000 votes last time), whereas I'm assuming that UKIP will have to largely ignore the vast majority of seats, including perhaps this one?

    Only a Swedish resident of Scots origin with no knowledge of the Home Counties could suggest that Labour might win Basingstoke.

    Basingstoke is located sufficiently distant from London to be immune from the contagion of metropolitan socialism. It is an old market town which was only lightly industrialised in the nineteenth century. Its most famous son is a retailer: Thomas Burberry.

    A quick read of Basingstoke's Wiki entry will give a flavour of the town:

    the Basingstoke Sports Centre which has a subterranean swimming pool, sauna, jacuzzi and steam room. Above ground there is a gym, aerobics studios, squash courts and main hall. There is also a playden for young children."

    "{It] is also home to multiple theatrical organisations: The Anvil, the Haymarket (in the former Corn Exchange), Fluid Motion Theatre Company and Proteus Theatre."

    "[It] has a wide diversity for musical groups. Ranging from brass bands to symphony orchestras."

    d to be UKIP.

    The town could take a million Maria Miller resignations and still remain Conservative.
    In short it's the kind of place the Tories should forget about while they try work out how to charm the factory workers of North Warwickshire 55 of whom could cost Cameron an MP.
    Good morning, Mr. Brooke.

    How was your penance at the tomb of St. Thomas a Becket? Profitable?

    Equally so, did you close your deal yesterday?

    There are many things more important than the fifty five floaters of North Warwickshire.

    Deal closed on Monday, so working hard atm to keep the Southern economy in a state of house price inflation. As for the NW 55, when Mr Cameron's failed to win a majority for the second time he may look at the seat and wonder what he should have done differently.

    Personally I wouldn't have sent George to the constituency to bask in the glow of expanding manufacturing, he doesn't know his FMEAs from his ISIRs.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Maria Miller resigns - PA
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Maria Miller has gone. Good morning all
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    JackW said:

    Maria Miller resigns - PA

    Just confirmed on R4
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 994
    Miller resigns - and I got a job yesterday!!
  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    edited April 2014
    Milliband might well be an expenses saint, but that can't be said for some on his front bench. Whilst it wouldn't be a good idea for Cameron to get into a "your lot are as bad as my lot" argument at PMQs, I don't think Milliband will want to risk going too deep into it. He'll have to mention it, but he has to be careful.
    I saw Miller's aide getting monstered by Kay Burley on Sky News yesterday. When you're getting bettered by her, its time to throw in the towel.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Buh-Bye!

    Miller quits.

    How totally unexpected.

    LOL
  • JackW said:

    Maria Miller resigns - PA

    Kerching.

    Some wise fellow did tip her at 14/1 as next out of the cabinet in February.

    http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/02/17/time-to-back-maria-miller-as-next-out-of-the-cabinet/

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    The other thing about Basingstoke is that I am assuming that LAB have a half-decent GOTV operation in seats like this (evidence = over 10,000 votes last time), whereas I'm assuming that UKIP will have to largely ignore the vast majority of seats, including perhaps this one?

    Only a Swedish resident of Scots origin with no knowledge of the Home Counties could suggest that Labour might win Basingstoke.

    Basingstoke is located sufficiently distant from London to be immune from the contagion of metropolitan socialism. It is an old market town which was only lightly industrialised in the nineteenth century. Its most famous son is a retailer: Thomas Burberry.

    A quick read of Basingstoke's Wiki entry will give a flavour of the town:

    the Basingstoke Sports Centre ...
    In short it's the kind of place the Tories should forget about while they try work out how to charm the factory workers of North Warwickshire 55 of whom could cost Cameron an MP.
    Good morning, Mr. Brooke.

    How was your penance at the tomb of St. Thomas a Becket? Profitable?

    Equally so, did you close your deal yesterday?

    There are many things more important than the fifty five floaters of North Warwickshire.

    Deal closed on Monday, so working hard atm to keep the Southern economy in a state of house price inflation. As for the NW 55, when Mr Cameron's failed to win a majority for the second time he may look at the seat and wonder what he should have done differently.

    Personally I wouldn't have sent George to the constituency to bask in the glow of expanding manufacturing, he doesn't know his FMEAs from his ISIRs.
    Very pleased to hear you will be financing a further drop in the top rate of income tax. We could do with it down here.

    And congratulations.

    As to George and Nuneaton. did you know that the filming location for Hyacinth Bucket's home was Binley Woods, Warwickshire (which Wiki claims is "east of Coventry"). Though the series had the address of her abode renamed to "Waney Edge, Blossom Avenue, Fuddleton", which variously was close to Southampton and Oxford, it does all go to show that there is but the thickness of a fine emery paper between the inhabitants of Basingstoke and Nuneaton.

    It is just the jobs that differ. And George in a sharp blue boiler suit is delivering those to North Warwickshire weekly. Stop knocking him.

    Add a couple of noughts to the 55 and you will get the 2015 Tory majority, Mr. Brooke.
  • Icarus said:

    Miller resigns - and I got a job yesterday!!

    Congratulations.
  • Aaaaaaaaaaaand she's gone

    How many of his own toes has Cameron blown off with his display of loyalty to her? Two, three, four? When your own backbenchers, your press and your councillors all say she should go and you say she should stay, it's your judgement they're questioning, not hers.

    Not that Cameron is arrogant and out of touch even with his own party. Oh no.....
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    The other thing about Basingstoke is that I am assuming that LAB have a half-decent GOTV operation in seats like this (evidence = over 10,000 votes last time), whereas I'm assuming that UKIP will have to largely ignore the vast majority of seats, including perhaps this one?

    Only a Swedish resident of Scots origin with no knowledge of the Home Counties could urberry.

    A quick read of Basingstoke's Wiki entry will give a flavour of the town:

    the Basingstoke Sports Centre ...
    In short it's the kind of place the Tories should forget about while they try work out how to charm the factory workers of North Warwickshire 55 of whom could cost Cameron an MP.
    Good morning, Mr. Brooke.

    How was your penance at the tomb of St. Thomas a Becket? Profitable?

    Equally so, did you close your deal yesterday?

    There are many things more important than the fifty five floaters of North Warwickshire.

    Deal closed on Monday, so working hard atm to keep the Southern economy in a state of house price inflation. As for the NW 55, when Mr Cameron's failed to win a majority for the second time he may look at the seat and wonder what he should have done differently.

    Personally I wouldn't have sent George to the constituency to bask in the glow of expanding manufacturing, he doesn't know his FMEAs from his ISIRs.
    Very pleased to hear you will be financing a further drop in the top rate of income tax. We could do with it down here.

    And congratulations.

    As to George and Nuneaton. did you know that the filming location for Hyacinth Bucket's home was Binley Woods, Warwickshire (which Wiki claims is "east of Coventry"). Though the series had the address of her abode renamed to "Waney Edge, Blossom Avenue, Fuddleton", which variously was close to Southampton and Oxford, it does all go to show that there is but the thickness of a fine emery paper between the inhabitants of Basingstoke and Nuneaton.

    It is just the jobs that differ. And George in a sharp blue boiler suit is delivering those to North Warwickshire weekly. Stop knocking him.

    Add a couple of noughts to the 55 and you will get the 2015 Tory majority, Mr. Brooke.
    well certainly Mr Pole it's the jobs that differ and rightly so if we are to have a diversified economy. Which sort of leaves us scratching our heads why GO isn't doing anything much to help that diversification along. Floreat Nuneaton.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457
    Icarus said:

    Miller resigns - and I got a job yesterday!!

    Congrats on the job.

    As for the replacement: who'd want that hot potato with the media in such a mood? if I was an MP I wouldn't go near press regulation with a ten-foot bargepole.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited April 2014
    I'm not too sure, notwithstanding Maria Miller resigning, that Ed will go with the issue at PMQ's.

    It was noticeable yesterday at Business Questions that Angela Eagle, Shadow Leader of the House, got a uncomfortable ride for suggesting that Miller had "got away with it" especially from fellow Labour MP Sir Kevin Barron, Chairman of Standards, who reminded Eagle and the HoC that its decision was an all party one, supported by lay members and was "impartial and non partisan"

    See Barron from around 14 minutes :

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/house-of-commons-26938969
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Aaaaaaaaaaaand she's gone

    How many of his own toes has Cameron blown off with his display of loyalty to her? Two, three, four? When your own backbenchers, your press and your councillors all say she should go and you say she should stay, it's your judgement they're questioning, not hers.

    Not that Cameron is arrogant and out of touch even with his own party. Oh no.....

    Toes! He's blown off a whole foot. From now on he will be limping to the 2015 GE.

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Martin ‏@ajaxgeezer 4m

    The first thing I heard on the radio this morning was Andrew Lansley saying Maria Miller was staying. The second was that she had gone.


    Itsmotherswork ‏@itsmotherswork 8h

    Surely asking Lansley to defend Miller on #newsnight is a clear sign that the Tories are intent on her public evisceration?

    Andrew Cooper ‏@AndrewzCooper 8h

    Crikey, did No 10 toss Lansley to Paxo knowing that he'd crash and burn and take Miller with him? Or are they just incompetent? #newsnight

    ThesecretErnMalley ‏@loveandgarbage 8h

    Andrew Lansley there. Effectively shutting down the Maria Miller story by being so inept his own future in Cabinet will be questioned,

    *chortle*
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Icarus said:

    Miller resigns - and I got a job yesterday!!

    Well done.

    Not as a sun shield surely ?

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Well I am glad she has gone. Cameron has damaged himself by seeking to defend the indefensible.

    When the expenses scandal started Cameron did some good speeches and Cameron directs where he showed a better awareness than most of how this was perceived but since coming into government he has lost the plot. I still don't think Westminster as a whole gets how angry people were about the expenses issue and how easy it is to relight the flame.

    Cameron would have been much better taking a stand and deciding that failing to cooperate with the inquiry was incompatible with cabinet status. He gets no credit from her resigning at this point.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Thank GOD. Took long enough.
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 994
    JackW said:





    Not as a sun shield surely ?

    Actually back in the fabrics for curtains business!!

  • McVey as next Secretary of State?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    Best of luck, Icarus. Hope it all works well.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Icarus said:

    Miller resigns - and I got a job yesterday!!

    Congrats on the job.

    As for the replacement: who'd want that hot potato with the media in such a mood? if I was an MP I wouldn't go near press regulation with a ten-foot bargepole.
    Transfer the DCMS to the Treasury. George would soon sort the media out.

    VAT at 20% on newspaper sales; a forensic examination into tax evasion and off-shoring of profits by the proprietors; nationalisation of Channel 4 and the BBC; and, press regulation subject to a newly formalised Court of Public Opinion.

  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    Icarus said:

    Miller resigns - and I got a job yesterday!!

    Congrats on the job.

    As for the replacement: who'd want that hot potato with the media in such a mood? if I was an MP I wouldn't go near press regulation with a ten-foot bargepole.
    The press are a lot less powerful than you think. They need public anger. Were they to go after a minister for obviously self-interested reasons, it would backfire.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Iain Dale ‏@IainDale 6m

    David Cameron hopes Maria Miller will return to the front bench "in due course". Is he completely barking mad? #toxicwiththevoters @LBC
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 994
    RobD said:

    Thank GOD. Took long enough.

    That's what my wife said!

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Icarus said:

    JackW said:





    Not as a sun shield surely ?

    Actually back in the fabrics for curtains business!!

    I just knew you were a net curtain twitching and chintz chap !!

    Icarus - "Pulling Curtains Here"

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    McVey as next Secretary of State?

    She spoilt her application form by breaking ranks to criticise Maria Miller publicly. She is back of the queue now.
  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    edited April 2014
    Nadine Dorries speaking the truth on expenses on Sky News. No second homes, just subsidised travel and accommodation.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Impact on the opinion polls to date of this: negligible. It may have more now that she's gone, particularly if it leads onto a dance of the seven veils.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    The other thing about Basingstoke is that I am assuming that LAB have a half-decent GOTV operation in seats like this (evidence = over 10,000 votes last time), whereas I'm assuming that UKIP will have to largely ignore the vast majority of seats, including perhaps this one?

    Only a Swedish resident of Scots origin with no knowledge of the Home Counties could suggest that Labour might win Basingstoke.

    Basingstoke is located sufficiently distant from London to be immune from the contagion of metropolitan socialism. It is an old market town which was only lightly industrialised in the nineteenth century. Its most famous son is a retailer: Thomas Burberry.

    A quick read of Basingstoke's Wiki entry will give a flavour of the town:

    the Basingstoke Sports Centre ...
    In short it's the kind of place the Tories should forget about while they try work out how to charm the factory workers of North Warwickshire 55 of whom could cost Cameron an MP.
    Good morning, Mr. Brooke.

    How was your penance at the tomb of St. Thomas a Becket? Profitable?

    Equally so, did you close your deal yesterday?

    There are many things more important than the fifty five floaters of North Warwickshire.

    Deal closed on Monday, so working hard atm to keep the Southern economy in a state of house price inflation. As for the NW 55, when Mr Cameron's failed to win a majority for the second time he may look at the seat and wonder what he should have done differently.

    Personally I wouldn't have sent George to the constituency to bask in the glow of expanding manufacturing, he doesn't know his FMEAs from his ISIRs.
    Very pleased to hear you will be financing a further drop in the top rate of income tax. We could do with it down here.

    And congratulations.

    As to George and Nuneaton. did you know that the filming location for Hyacinth Bucket's home was Binley Woods, Warwickshire (which Wiki claims is "east of Coventry"). Though the series had the address of her abode renamed to "Waney Edge, Blossom Avenue, Fuddleton", which variously was close to Southampton and Oxford, it does all go to show that there is but the thickness of a fine emery paper between the inhabitants of Basingstoke and Nuneaton.

    It is just the jobs that differ. And George in a sharp blue boiler suit is delivering those to North Warwickshire weekly. Stop knocking him.

    Add a couple of noughts to the 55 and you will get the 2015 Tory majority, Mr. Brooke.
    I regret to say that Alex does not share your optimism. Rather a good one today: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/alex/
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Icarus said:

    RobD said:

    Thank GOD. Took long enough.

    That's what my wife said!

    Titter :D

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Matthew Lawrence ‏@xMATTxLAWx 20m

    #MARIAMILLER has resigned. Thank you to the 183,000 + ppl who signed the petition. http://www.change.org/mariamillerexpenses … Now we need expenses reform!
  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    She might as well resign as an MP while she's at it. What's the point in stringing it out, resigning, then getting another job a few months down the line?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Nadine Dorries speaking the truth on expenses on Sky News. No second homes, just subsidised travel and accommodation.

    Oh dear. That won't go down well with the prospective PPC for Broxtowe.

    Still, good to see that Miller has gone, though she should step down as an MP too.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    I really hope the smug John Mann gets his comeuppance sooner rather than later. Who appointed him the guardian of public opinion?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    antifrank said:

    Impact on the opinion polls to date of this: negligible. It may have more now that she's gone, particularly if it leads onto a dance of the seven veils.

    Sky News is already lamenting her departure with all the grief they exhibited over poor Peaches.

    Not even Oscar Pistorius can upstage their show of hypocrisy.

    As for the seven veils being discarded, I forsee a Balls room dance up first.
  • Pre-PMQs.... the most dangerous time for anyone under threat....
  • antifrank said:

    Impact on the opinion polls to date of this: negligible. It may have more now that she's gone, particularly if it leads onto a dance of the seven veils.

    It won't directly impact VI. What it does is add colour to base opinions that punters and party members have about Cameron. For a man who has never shaken off the accusations of being apart from normal people and normal Tories deciding to cling to Miller because her apology to the house was Ok and anyway I need a few tomen women in cabinet doesn't help him to shake this off.

    For those formally of the Tory hinterlands who went purple it just reinforces their decision. For "real" Tories it reinforces their dislike of their leader as they head ibro Yerp elections they wI'll almost certainly have a bad result in.

    For Cameron and those placemen around him, this must all be truly baffling. Cameron truly is the heir to Blair, uncomfortable in his own party, contemptuous of Parliament and so aloof that basic political instinct on such issues doesn't seem to work the way it does for anyone else.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    DavidL said:

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    The other thing about Basingstoke is that I am assuming that LAB have a half-decent GOTV operation in seats like this (evidence = over 10,000 votes last time), whereas I'm assuming that UKIP will have to largely ignore the vast majority of seats, including perhaps this one?

    Only a Swedish resident of Scots origin with no knowledge of the Home Counties could suggest that Labour might win Basingstoke.

    A quick read of Basingstoke's Wiki entry will give a flavour of the town:

    the Basingstoke Sports Centre ...
    In short it's the kind of place the Tories should forget about while they try work out how to charm the factory workers of North Warwickshire 55 of whom could cost Cameron an MP.
    Good morning, Mr. Brooke.

    How was your penance at the tomb of St. Thomas a Becket? Profitable?

    Equally so, did you close your deal yesterday?

    There are many things more important than the fifty five floaters of North Warwickshire.

    Deal closed on Monday, so working hard atm to keep the Southern economy in a state of house price inflation. As for the NW 55, when Mr Cameron's failed to win a majority for the second time he may look at the seat and wonder what he should have done differently.

    Personally I wouldn't have sent George to the constituency to bask in the glow of expanding manufacturing, he doesn't know his FMEAs from his ISIRs.
    Very pleased to hear you will be financing a further drop in the top rate of income tax. We could do with it down here.

    And congratulations.

    As to George and Nuneaton. did you know that the filming location for Hyacinth Bucket's home was Binley Woods, Warwickshire (which Wiki claims is "east of Coventry"). Though the series had the address of her abode renamed to "Waney Edge, Blossom Avenue, Fuddleton", which variously was close to Southampton and Oxford, it does all go to show that there is but the thickness of a fine emery paper between the inhabitants of Basingstoke and Nuneaton.

    It is just the jobs that differ. And George in a sharp blue boiler suit is delivering those to North Warwickshire weekly. Stop knocking him.

    Add a couple of noughts to the 55 and you will get the 2015 Tory majority, Mr. Brooke.
    I regret to say that Alex does not share your optimism. Rather a good one today: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/alex/
    I am a phlegmatic optimist, David.

    I lose not a wink of sleep over either the Scottish Referendum or the 2015 GE.

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Sky News really funny this morning with their "poll" of Conservative MP's on Miller with a sample of 16.

    13 No comment. 2 for resignation and 1 to stay.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033

    Pre-PMQs.... the most dangerous time for anyone under threat....

    Bad timing for her, given that Parliament rises tomorrow.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    - "The Miller expenses case has touched a raw nerve that neither she nor Cameron anticipated"

    Of course they didn't. £90,000 is small change to them. They have not got the slighest clue how this looks to normal people.

    Presumably, normal people who don't claim for trousers, their monthly food shopping and eye watering hotel bills to golfing tournaments?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    AveryLP said:

    The other thing about Basingstoke is that I am assuming that LAB have a half-decent GOTV operation in seats like this (evidence = over 10,000 votes last time), whereas I'm assuming that UKIP will have to largely ignore the vast majority of seats, including perhaps this one?

    Only a Swedish resident of Scots origin with no knowledge of the Home Counties could suggest that Labour might win Basingstoke.
    He didn't write this though, did he?


    "The Standards Committtee, quite rightly and fairly in my view, concluded that Maria Miller's ACA claims made in accordance with the rules and guidance of the relevant period."

    That would be YOUR inept spin Avery. Any other hot tips apart from Lansley to be PM?

    *titters*

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Oh dear. Poor old Gove has drawn the short straw and has to talk about Miller on R4 shortly.
    At least CCHQ has learned not to let Lansley near it again. ;)
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    AveryLP said:

    The other thing about Basingstoke is that I am assuming that LAB have a half-decent GOTV operation in seats like this (evidence = over 10,000 votes last time), whereas I'm assuming that UKIP will have to largely ignore the vast majority of seats, including perhaps this one?

    Only a Swedish resident of Scots origin with no knowledge of the Home Counties could suggest that Labour might win Basingstoke.

    Basingstoke is located sufficiently distant from London to be immune from the contagion of metropolitan socialism. It is an old market town which was only lightly industrialised in the nineteenth century. Its most famous son is a retailer: Thomas Burberry.

    A quick read of Basingstoke's Wiki entry will give a flavour of the town:

    the Basingstoke Sports Centre which has a subterranean swimming pool, sauna, jacuzzi and steam room. Above ground there is a gym, aerobics studios, squash courts and main hall. There is also a playden for young children."

    "{It] is also home to multiple theatrical organisations: The Anvil, the Haymarket (in the former Corn Exchange), Fluid Motion Theatre Company and Proteus Theatre."

    "[It] has a wide diversity for musical groups. Ranging from brass bands to symphony orchestras."

    "there is a leisure park featuring the Aquadrome swimming pool, which opened in May 2002. The park also includes an ice rink, bowling alley, Bingo club and a ten screen cinema, as well as a restaurant and fast food outlets. The leisure park is also home to the Milestones Museum which contains a network of streets and buildings based on the history of Hampshire."


    Basingstoke is stereotypically Southern blue: a place where Hyacinth Bucket would aspire to live. Full of "decent" employers who don't require you to get your hands dirty (De La Rue, Sun Life Financial of Canada, The Automobile Association, ST Ericsson, GAME, Motorola, Barracuda Networks, Eli Lilly and Company, BNP PARIBAS Lease Group UK, Sony Professional Solutions (Europe) and TaylorMade-Adidas Golf Company).

    It is a place too self-content, hard working and prosperous to be Lib Dem; too unsulllied and unneedy to be Labour; too self-conscious and worthily occupied to be UKIP.

    The town could take a million Maria Miller resignations and still remain Conservative.
    The arrogance is breathtaking. I would never claim that a seat my party held would forever remain SNP, irrespective of events.

    It is this astonishing arrogance which is the trademark of Conservative decline. It is 35 years since 1979, but they still haven't learnt their lesson.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,789
    Mick_Pork said:

    AveryLP said:

    The other thing about Basingstoke is that I am assuming that LAB have a half-decent GOTV operation in seats like this (evidence = over 10,000 votes last time), whereas I'm assuming that UKIP will have to largely ignore the vast majority of seats, including perhaps this one?

    Only a Swedish resident of Scots origin with no knowledge of the Home Counties could suggest that Labour might win Basingstoke.
    He didn't write this though, did he?


    "The Standards Committtee, quite rightly and fairly in my view, concluded that Maria Miller's ACA claims made in accordance with the rules and guidance of the relevant period."

    That would be YOUR inept spin Avery. Any other hot tips apart from Lansley to be PM?

    *titters*

    Don't forget our Avery's prediction that the HoC would vote to bomb Syria because the Conservative party would never turn down the opportunity 'to bomb ragheads'.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    JackW said:

    Sky News really funny this morning with their "poll" of Conservative MP's on Miller with a sample of 16.

    13 No comment. 2 for resignation and 1 to stay.

    Being fair to Sky, that's probably more statistically significant than the Scottish sub-samples that Stuart Dickson is fond of.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457

    Icarus said:

    Miller resigns - and I got a job yesterday!!

    Congrats on the job.

    As for the replacement: who'd want that hot potato with the media in such a mood? if I was an MP I wouldn't go near press regulation with a ten-foot bargepole.
    The press are a lot less powerful than you think. They need public anger. Were they to go after a minister for obviously self-interested reasons, it would backfire.
    The press *generate* the public anger. Do you think the people who signed the petition for Miller to go had read the report, or were they just going on what they'd seen in the press and the wider media?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    Icarus said:

    Miller resigns - and I got a job yesterday!!

    Congrats on the job.

    As for the replacement: who'd want that hot potato with the media in such a mood? if I was an MP I wouldn't go near press regulation with a ten-foot bargepole.
    The press are a lot less powerful than you think. They need public anger. Were they to go after a minister for obviously self-interested reasons, it would backfire.
    The press *generate* the public anger. Do you think the people who signed the petition for Miller to go had read the report, or were they just going on what they'd seen in the press and the wider media?
    No, they just have a good sense of smell
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,789

    An "expenses saint" from the party of expenses sinners.....remind me, how many Conservative MPs went to prison?

    This is the measure of Cameron's incompetance.

    All he had to do was sack Miller and he would have looked strong and principled.

    Instead the Conservatives have become associated with sleeze when it was Labour MPs who were the worst for it.

    What do the hell do they teach on that PPE course for anyone to blunder like Cameron has done on this issue.
  • antifrank said:

    Impact on the opinion polls to date of this: negligible. It may have more now that she's gone, particularly if it leads onto a dance of the seven veils.

    It won't directly impact VI. What it does is add colour to base opinions that punters and party members have about Cameron. For a man who has never shaken off the accusations of being apart from normal people and normal Tories deciding to cling to Miller because her apology to the house was Ok and anyway I need a few tomen women in cabinet doesn't help him to shake this off.

    For those formally of the Tory hinterlands who went purple it just reinforces their decision. For "real" Tories it reinforces their dislike of their leader as they head ibro Yerp elections they wI'll almost certainly have a bad result in.

    For Cameron and those placemen around him, this must all be truly baffling. Cameron truly is the heir to Blair, uncomfortable in his own party, contemptuous of Parliament and so aloof that basic political instinct on such issues doesn't seem to work the way it does for anyone else.

    Are you trying to be the Left's answer to our own dear Avery. If so, it's a bloody good job...

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Pre-PMQs.... the most dangerous time for anyone under threat....

    Yes but nobody cares about politics hence nobody caring about Miller or her quitting.
    Nor should anybody care about her replacement.

    LOL
  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    edited April 2014
    Cameron hopes Miller can return to the front bench "In due course".
    Is he f£%&ing insane? Is the dearth of talented, decent, trustworthy politicians such that there's no one else Cameron can turn to?

    As for John Mann, he needs to be careful, criticising an MP for not being seen in their constituency. There's a few on his side who could do a bit more work on that front.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457

    Icarus said:

    Miller resigns - and I got a job yesterday!!

    Congrats on the job.

    As for the replacement: who'd want that hot potato with the media in such a mood? if I was an MP I wouldn't go near press regulation with a ten-foot bargepole.
    The press are a lot less powerful than you think. They need public anger. Were they to go after a minister for obviously self-interested reasons, it would backfire.
    The press *generate* the public anger. Do you think the people who signed the petition for Miller to go had read the report, or were they just going on what they'd seen in the press and the wider media?
    No, they just have a good sense of smell
    No they don't. Just look at the Mitchell mess.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited April 2014
    Mick_Pork said:

    AveryLP said:

    The other thing about Basingstoke is that I am assuming that LAB have a half-decent GOTV operation in seats like this (evidence = over 10,000 votes last time), whereas I'm assuming that UKIP will have to largely ignore the vast majority of seats, including perhaps this one?

    Only a Swedish resident of Scots origin with no knowledge of the Home Counties could suggest that Labour might win Basingstoke.
    He didn't write this though, did he?


    "The Standards Committtee, quite rightly and fairly in my view, concluded that Maria Miller's ACA claims made in accordance with the rules and guidance of the relevant period."

    That would be YOUR inept spin Avery. Any other hot tips apart from Lansley to be PM?

    *titters*

    It was a statement of fact, Pork. Supported by a qualitative personal opinion.

    You must learn to distinguish between acorns and buckeye nuts.

    That latter will give you an upset stomach.

    Your coincidental presence on PB would be too odorous to contemplate.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,789
    If any of those here who are so loud in predicting a Conservative majority at the next election are willing to put their money where their keyboards are then these offers of Conservative gains from Shadsy should be considered:

    Tooting 5/1
    Westminster North 5/1
    Wakefield 6/1
    Newcastle under Lyme 8/1
    Hammersmith 10/1

    I would also recommend a Conservative hold in Sherwood at 9/2

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Gove doing his 'hushed voice' routine on R4 now. Vastly amusing.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,789

    Cameron hopes Miller can return to the front bench "In due course".
    Is he f£%&ing insane? Is the dearth of talented, decent, trustworthy politicians such that there's no one else Cameron can turn to?

    As for John Mann, he needs to be careful, criticising an MP for not being seen in their constituency. There's a few on his side who could do a bit more work on that front.

    John Mann is a superb attack dog but has no interest when the same things are done by Labour politicians.

    EdM for one has rarely be seen in his own constituency, which is part of the reason his expenses were so low.


  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808

    Nadine Dorries speaking the truth on expenses on Sky News. No second homes, just subsidised travel and accommodation.

    To a set limit, like all other public servants, with claims based on actuals. What's sauce for the goose etc.
  • If any of those here who are so loud in predicting a Conservative majority at the next election are willing to put their money where their keyboards are then these offers of Conservative gains from Shadsy should be considered:

    Tooting 5/1
    Westminster North 5/1
    Wakefield 6/1
    Newcastle under Lyme 8/1
    Hammersmith 10/1

    I would also recommend a Conservative hold in Sherwood at 9/2

    I would say Westminster North is very good value at that price (it's where I live). Ms Buck is a hard-working constituency MP but that ought not to be enough this time, given demographic change.

    I suspect the latter is the factor Shadsy struggles with, and it is the one all punters (including OGH) need to study carefully.

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    AveryLP said:

    The other thing about Basingstoke is that I am assuming that LAB have a half-decent GOTV operation in seats like this (evidence = over 10,000 votes last time), whereas I'm assuming that UKIP will have to largely ignore the vast majority of seats, including perhaps this one?

    Only a Swedish resident of Scots origin with no knowledge of the Home Counties could suggest that Labour might win Basingstoke.

    Basingstoke is located sufficiently distant from London to be immune from the contagion of metropolitan socialism. It is an old market town which was only lightly industrialised in the nineteenth century. Its most famous son is a retailer: Thomas Burberry.

    A quick read of Basingstoke's Wiki entry will give a flavour of the town:

    the Basingstoke Sports Centre which has a subterranean swimming pool, sauna, jacuzzi and steam room. Above ground there is a gym, aerobics studios, squash courts and main hall. There is also a playden for young children."

    "{It] is also home to multiple theatrical organisations: The Anvil, the Haymarket (in the former Corn Exchange), Fluid Motion Theatre Company and Proteus Theatre."

    "[It] has a wide diversity for musical groups. Ranging from brass bands to symphony orchestras."

    "there is a leisure park featuring the Aquadrome swimming pool, which opened in May 2002. The park also includes an ice rink, bowling alley, Bingo club and a ten screen cinema, as well as a restaurant and fast food outlets. The leisure park is also home to the Milestones Museum which contains a network of streets and buildings based on the history of Hampshire."


    Basingstoke is stereotypically Southern blue: a place where Hyacinth Bucket would aspire to live. Full of "decent" employers who don't require you to get your hands dirty (De La Rue, Sun Life Financial of Canada, The Automobile Association, ST Ericsson, GAME, Motorola, Barracuda Networks, Eli Lilly and Company, BNP PARIBAS Lease Group UK, Sony Professional Solutions (Europe) and TaylorMade-Adidas Golf Company).

    It is a place too self-content, hard working and prosperous to be Lib Dem; too unsulllied and unneedy to be Labour; too self-conscious and worthily occupied to be UKIP.

    The town could take a million Maria Miller resignations and still remain Conservative.
    The arrogance is breathtaking. I would never claim that a seat my party held would forever remain SNP, irrespective of events.

    It is this astonishing arrogance which is the trademark of Conservative decline. It is 35 years since 1979, but they still haven't learnt their lesson.
    I thought your party was the ironically named Swedish " Moderates ". Your interest in the SNP is surely vicarious.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    There is one fact about Ed Miliband that everyone knows. I expect the Prime Minister will manage to mention it again today at some point in Prime Minister's Questions.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,789

    If any of those here who are so loud in predicting a Conservative majority at the next election are willing to put their money where their keyboards are then these offers of Conservative gains from Shadsy should be considered:

    Tooting 5/1
    Westminster North 5/1
    Wakefield 6/1
    Newcastle under Lyme 8/1
    Hammersmith 10/1

    I would also recommend a Conservative hold in Sherwood at 9/2

    I would say Westminster North is very good value at that price (it's where I live). Ms Buck is a hard-working constituency MP but that ought not to be enough this time, given demographic change.

    I suspect the latter is the factor Shadsy struggles with, and it is the one all punters (including OGH) need to study carefully.

    Always useful to hear a local view on a constituency bet.

    Isn't the issue with demographic change in Westminster North that many of the locals are steadily being replaced by immigrants who aren't eligible to vote.

    Now whether the Labour voters on the council estates are being replaced faster than the Conservative voters in the posh houses I don't know.

    Another issue in Westminster North is that the Conservatives wont have the vile voter repelling Joanne Cash as their candidate next time.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    antifrank said:

    There is one fact about Ed Miliband that everyone knows. I expect the Prime Minister will manage to mention it again today at some point in Prime Minister's Questions.

    He's got a brother called David?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    antifrank said:

    There is one fact about Ed Miliband that everyone knows. I expect the Prime Minister will manage to mention it again today at some point in Prime Minister's Questions.

    He's got a brother called David?
    A brother called David who he stood against for the Labour party leadership.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    And she's gone!
  • If any of those here who are so loud in predicting a Conservative majority at the next election are willing to put their money where their keyboards are then these offers of Conservative gains from Shadsy should be considered:

    Tooting 5/1
    Westminster North 5/1
    Wakefield 6/1
    Newcastle under Lyme 8/1
    Hammersmith 10/1

    I would also recommend a Conservative hold in Sherwood at 9/2

    I would say Westminster North is very good value at that price (it's where I live). Ms Buck is a hard-working constituency MP but that ought not to be enough this time, given demographic change.

    I suspect the latter is the factor Shadsy struggles with, and it is the one all punters (including OGH) need to study carefully.

    Always useful to hear a local view on a constituency bet.

    Isn't the issue with demographic change in Westminster North that many of the locals are steadily being replaced by immigrants who aren't eligible to vote.

    Now whether the Labour voters on the council estates are being replaced faster than the Conservative voters in the posh houses I don't know.

    Another issue in Westminster North is that the Conservatives wont have the vile voter repelling Joanne Cash as their candidate next time.
    That last comment is certainly true. I worked with her, not on her Parliamentary campaign of course, but on a local health campaign. She was always keen to sue someone, or even someone else...

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    bill ‏@kingbill73 1m

    Gove is struggling to find his words like Miller trying to find her ministerial car. #justnotthere
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited April 2014

    An "expenses saint" from the party of expenses sinners.....remind me, how many Conservative MPs went to prison?

    This is the measure of Cameron's incompetance.

    All he had to do was sack Miller and he would have looked strong and principled.

    Instead the Conservatives have become associated with sleeze when it was Labour MPs who were the worst for it.

    What do the hell do they teach on that PPE course for anyone to blunder like Cameron has done on this issue.
    ar

    You were shedding the Normanby Hall curse yesterday in your comments on the ERM and Black Wednesday.

    Now you are returning to roots.

    No Prime Minister will sack a Minister after an 'acquittal' by a 'quasi judicial' body. Not Blair, Not Brown, Not Major, Not Thatcher.

    Prime Ministers must respect due process and uphold the rule of law.

    In the circumstances of a popular witch hunt whipped up by a bloodthirsty press (and there have been many of these), then the procedure PMs follow is to wait until the hunted Minister resigns.

    It says no more or less about Cameron's competence than similar precedents do about his predecessors.

    At least Thatcher had the courage to refuse John Nott's resignation after the Falklands invasion. Individual responsibility plays a bigger role in the Miller case precluding this option, but Cameron has stated his hope that Miller will return to the front benches "in due course". Somewhat of the same principle shown by Maggie.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    There is one fact about Ed Miliband that everyone knows. I expect the Prime Minister will manage to mention it again today at some point in Prime Minister's Questions.

    He's got a brother called David?
    A brother called David who he stood against for the Labour party leadership.
    Though for many Tories his ruthlessness contrasts favourably with Cameron?
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    BAM! See you later.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    There is one fact about Ed Miliband that everyone knows. I expect the Prime Minister will manage to mention it again today at some point in Prime Minister's Questions.

    He's got a brother called David?
    A brother called David who he stood against for the Labour party leadership.
    Though for many Tories his ruthlessness contrasts favourably with Cameron?
    On a day where David Cameron is going to be criticised for showing loyalty to a minister, an Opposition leader who "stabbed his brother in the back" is a gift from heaven for him.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 28s

    Gove says he would not criticise press over the Miller saga.

    *chuckles*
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Miller replacement confirmed to be from outside the cabinet and no wider reshuffle according to Robinson.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    There is one fact about Ed Miliband that everyone knows. I expect the Prime Minister will manage to mention it again today at some point in Prime Minister's Questions.

    He's got a brother called David?
    A brother called David who he stood against for the Labour party leadership.
    Though for many Tories his ruthlessness contrasts favourably with Cameron?
    On a day where David Cameron is going to be criticised for showing loyalty to a minister, an Opposition leader who "stabbed his brother in the back" is a gift from heaven for him.
    Duh! The loyalty was a misjudgement, as far as most of the population is concerned.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,789
    AveryLP said:

    An "expenses saint" from the party of expenses sinners.....remind me, how many Conservative MPs went to prison?

    This is the measure of Cameron's incompetance.

    All he had to do was sack Miller and he would have looked strong and principled.

    Instead the Conservatives have become associated with sleeze when it was Labour MPs who were the worst for it.

    What do the hell do they teach on that PPE course for anyone to blunder like Cameron has done on this issue.
    ar

    You were shedding the Normanby Hall curse yesterday in your comments on the ERM and Black Wednesday.

    Now you are returning to roots.

    No Prime Minister will sack a Minister after an 'acquittal' by a 'quasi judicial' body. Not Blair, Not Brown, Not Major, Not Thatcher.

    Prime Ministers must respect due process and uphold the rule of law.

    In the circumstances of a popular witch hunt whipped up by a bloodthirsty press (and there have been many of these), then the procedure PMs follow is to wait until the hunted Minister resigns.

    It says no more or less about Cameron's competence than similar precedents do about his predecessors.

    At least Thatcher had the courage to refuse John Nott's resignation after the Falklands invasion.
    Cameron could have sacked Miller and made some 'I said lessons would be learned and they have been, ministers must not only have clean expenses but they must be seen to have clean expenses, Maria Miller has failed that test and must go'.

    Or he could have told her to resign straight away and make the speech herself.

    Admit it Avery your boy Cameron has fcked up on the issue.


  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    There is one fact about Ed Miliband that everyone knows. I expect the Prime Minister will manage to mention it again today at some point in Prime Minister's Questions.

    He's got a brother called David?
    A brother called David who he stood against for the Labour party leadership.
    Though for many Tories his ruthlessness contrasts favourably with Cameron?
    On a day where David Cameron is going to be criticised for showing loyalty to a minister, an Opposition leader who "stabbed his brother in the back" is a gift from heaven for him.
    Duh! The loyalty was a misjudgement, as far as most of the population is concerned.
    Duh! Well of course. But David Cameron has to come back with something. He can't just stand in Parliament grinning sheepishly. And the best form of defence is attack.

    David Cameron needs a line to discomfit Ed Miliband. Ed Miliband's personal history is a gift in such circumstances.
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