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  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,258

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Alan Bates has received a multi million pound compensation settlement from the PO after his campaigning, as well as the knighthood he got from the King
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e723qv0no

    Very good news. Justice at last, I hope.
    Yes, let's hope he actually receives the money.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,945

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!
    Prop 50 in California is an appalling undemocratic monstrosity. Passed in direct response to the same already happening in Texas and elsewhere.

    You say “the house will go Dem”. No, it won’t. Trump will now shut down democracy in Democrat cities and states. He has the perfect excuse now- send the Guard into New York. That kicks off other cities into protest and they get the same. An unending state of national emergency where terrorists do not get a vote.

    Next question- longest ever shut down of the federal government. Does it reopen and under what edict? Trump doesn’t need a federal government.
    I think he'd notice if his bodyguards didn't get paid. And remember, most of his income one way or another is from the government. The Carillon of our times.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,196
    Sandpit said:

    Good luck New York, looks like the communist got elected.

    I guess we’re about to find out what happens when a finance capital elects someone who doesn’t believe in wealth or crime.

    Well we have the example of Ken Livingston in his first flowering as Leader of the GLC. A lot of eye-catching funding for trendy lefty groups which are either socially progressive or a waste of taxpayers money depending on your view. Big finance will continue regardless though, it always does. My only hope is that Mamdani is as good at annoying Trump as Livingston was Thatcher.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,945
    Stereodog said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good luck New York, looks like the communist got elected.

    I guess we’re about to find out what happens when a finance capital elects someone who doesn’t believe in wealth or crime.

    Well we have the example of Ken Livingston in his first flowering as Leader of the GLC. A lot of eye-catching funding for trendy lefty groups which are either socially progressive or a waste of taxpayers money depending on your view. Big finance will continue regardless though, it always does. My only hope is that Mamdani is as good at annoying Trump as Livingston was Thatcher.
    Doesn't take much to annoy Trump. Just mention mushrooms, tax evasion, official secrets or election losses and he's off.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,444
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    I am not sure why you are concerned by the Dem proposition in California and you are not concerned by the "industrial scale" vote rigging going on in Texas and other Red states. Neither are right, but one is understandable in the light of Trump gerrymandering.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,480
    Nigelb said:

    These results surely increase the likelihood of Trump being 25th-ed ?

    Probably not enough to actually happen before the midterms, though, without a major health event.

    Don't you then end up with the same policies but without the figurehead?

    DJT is the only person with the dark charisma to hold all this together.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,028
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Alan Bates has received a multi million pound compensation settlement from the PO after his campaigning, as well as the knighthood he got from the King
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e723qv0no

    Very good news. Justice at last, I hope.
    Justice finally for Mr Bates, but let’s not forget the hundreds of others affected by this scandal, and let’s hope the right thing is done to them all as quickly as possible.

    For many, sadly, justice will come too late.
    They seem to be pushing forward on several payouts they were previously trying to row back on. My guess is they're unnerved by police investigations.

    Oldest victim of Post Office scandal, 92, receives final payout
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74jvd0drvvo

    But we won't have seen injustice until some of these scum are jailed good and hard, both as punishment and pour encourager les autres.
    Absolutely, I think many of us who have followed this case for years expect the inquiry to recommend criminal charges.

    As @Cyclefree and I have discussed many times, a number of people involved in what happened at the PO have given both our professions a very bad name.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,945
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Alan Bates has received a multi million pound compensation settlement from the PO after his campaigning, as well as the knighthood he got from the King
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e723qv0no

    Very good news. Justice at last, I hope.
    Justice finally for Mr Bates, but let’s not forget the hundreds of others affected by this scandal, and let’s hope the right thing is done to them all as quickly as possible.

    For many, sadly, justice will come too late.
    They seem to be pushing forward on several payouts they were previously trying to row back on. My guess is they're unnerved by police investigations.

    Oldest victim of Post Office scandal, 92, receives final payout
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74jvd0drvvo

    But we won't have seen injustice until some of these scum are jailed good and hard, both as punishment and pour encourager les autres.
    Ooops.

    That should say, 'we won't have seen JUSTICE until some of these scum are jailed good and hard.'

    We've seen plenty of injustice already.

    It's before 7am...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792

    Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan
    @MayorofLondon

    Oxford Street’s Christmas lights are now on.


    ===

    Can we please get a private members bill to ban all xmas related activity until after Bonfire Night?

    I mean FFS.

    Birmingham Christmas market opened last weekend
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,292
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Alan Bates has received a multi million pound compensation settlement from the PO after his campaigning, as well as the knighthood he got from the King
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e723qv0no

    Very good news. Justice at last, I hope.
    Justice finally for Mr Bates, but let’s not forget the hundreds of others affected by this scandal, and let’s hope the right thing is done to them all as quickly as possible.

    For many, sadly, justice will come too late.
    They seem to be pushing forward on several payouts they were previously trying to row back on. My guess is they're unnerved by police investigations.

    Oldest victim of Post Office scandal, 92, receives final payout
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74jvd0drvvo

    But we won't have seen injustice until some of these scum are jailed good and hard, both as punishment and pour encourager les autres.
    Ooops.

    That should say, 'we won't have seen JUSTICE until some of these scum are jailed good and hard.'

    We've seen plenty of injustice already.

    It's before 7am...
    It’s morning in America…
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,028
    edited 6:55AM
    Ratters said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    Gerrymandering is clearly a bad thing. But the GOP can hardly complain about California when they've been doing the same thing in other states for many years, including Texas most recently. The end result is too important for one side to play nicely if the other side isn't.

    Republicans have spent the last month not even sitting in the House. So they don't seem in too much of a rush on their legislative agenda.
    Oh they’ve all been at the Gerrymandering for decades now, I’m just not sure I remember it being so explicitly passed as a ballot measure before.

    The House Speaker doesn’t want to them to sit until the Senate passes the budget to reopen the government.

    It’s surprising, but not at all shocking, to know that the elected representatives and their staff are still getting paid, even as many others who work for the government are not. I suspect a handful more Dem Senators join Sen Fetterman this week in voting to reopen government, now that the elections are over. There’s serious concern in the aviation industry that Thankgiving could be a real mess of cancelled and delayed flights, and the major airlines all wrote public letters to the Senators last week urging them to pass the CR.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,028
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    If I were looking for betting implications I'd be looking in the Senate.

    I'd not even bother betting on Maine, and I can't see the Republicans taking Georgia or Michigan on those numbers.

    Ohio looks to be value as a Republican loss. Likewise North Carolina.

    The Dems would need one more seat to take the Senate if they won those. The map is distinctly unkind to them, but OGH Jr has mentioned Texas. On these figures, the Republicans might even have reason to be nervous in Mississippi.
    I think that’s about right, OH and NC are going to be the marginals.

    Texas keeps threatening to turn purple but never does, the biggest issue there is immigration and border control on which Trump still has a lead.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,672
    ydoethur said:

    Stereodog said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good luck New York, looks like the communist got elected.

    I guess we’re about to find out what happens when a finance capital elects someone who doesn’t believe in wealth or crime.

    Well we have the example of Ken Livingston in his first flowering as Leader of the GLC. A lot of eye-catching funding for trendy lefty groups which are either socially progressive or a waste of taxpayers money depending on your view. Big finance will continue regardless though, it always does. My only hope is that Mamdani is as good at annoying Trump as Livingston was Thatcher.
    Doesn't take much to annoy Trump. Just mention mushrooms, tax evasion, official secrets or election losses and he's off.
    You are tilting at windmills.
  • dunhamdunham Posts: 50
    Sandpit said:

    Good luck New York, looks like the communist got elected.

    I guess we’re about to find out what happens when a finance capital elects someone who doesn’t believe in wealth or crime.

    It is a disaster for New York's very large Jewish community of well over 1 million that their fellow citizens have elected a radical pro-Hamas antisemitic socialist of Shiite ethnicity as New York mayor. It could precipitate mass emigration, for example to Florida or even Judea and Samaria. Together with the increasing antisemitism of the American right, as illustrated by the views of the Heritage Foundation and Tucker Carlson, the USA no longer appears to be the "Goldene Medina".
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,672
    boulay said:

    Whilst Mamdami is from the other side of the political divide to me I was impressed by his victory speech. Very charismatic and hit all the right notes.

    I think he could very well be an effective rallying poin t with profile required to attack Trump for the Dems - they’ve needed someone to coalesce around and whilst he will be too far left for many he will get the airtime with decent attacks.

    Trump won’t like it being attacked from New York.

    What odds Mamdami gets arrested before 2028? Seems a likely Trumpian play.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,811
    Sandpit said:

    Ratters said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    Gerrymandering is clearly a bad thing. But the GOP can hardly complain about California when they've been doing the same thing in other states for many years, including Texas most recently. The end result is too important for one side to play nicely if the other side isn't.

    Republicans have spent the last month not even sitting in the House. So they don't seem in too much of a rush on their legislative agenda.
    Oh they’ve all been at the Gerrymandering for decades now, I’m just not sure I remember it being so explicitly passed as a ballot measure before.

    The House Speaker doesn’t want to them to sit until the Senate passes the budget to reopen the government.

    It’s surprising, but not at all shocking, to know that the elected representatives and their staff are still getting paid, even as many others who work for the government are not. I suspect a handful more Dem Senators join Sen Fetterman this week in voting to reopen government, now that the elections are over. There’s serious concern in the aviation industry that Thankgiving could be a real mess of cancelled and delayed flights, and the major airlines all wrote public letters to the Senators last week urging them to pass the CR.
    Nope the House Speaker is avoiding swearing in a senator because at that point he loses a rather important vote.

    And the democrats are never going to vote to destroy Medicare so both houses are in what will be a long running stalemate
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,757

    boulay said:

    Whilst Mamdami is from the other side of the political divide to me I was impressed by his victory speech. Very charismatic and hit all the right notes.

    I think he could very well be an effective rallying poin t with profile required to attack Trump for the Dems - they’ve needed someone to coalesce around and whilst he will be too far left for many he will get the airtime with decent attacks.

    Trump won’t like it being attacked from New York.

    What odds Mamdami gets arrested before 2028? Seems a likely Trumpian play.
    I think arresting the Mayor of New York would be the point where we have really gone through the looking glass and if it can get to that then the US wouldn’t really be a functioning free democracy anymore.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,811
    dunham said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good luck New York, looks like the communist got elected.

    I guess we’re about to find out what happens when a finance capital elects someone who doesn’t believe in wealth or crime.

    It is a disaster for New York's very large Jewish community of well over 1 million that their fellow citizens have elected a radical pro-Hamas antisemitic socialist of Shiite ethnicity as New York mayor. It could precipitate mass emigration, for example to Florida or even Judea and Samaria. Together with the increasing antisemitism of the American right, as illustrated by the views of the Heritage Foundation and Tucker Carlson, the USA no longer appears to be the "Goldene Medina".
    Any evidence to back up your statement - all I’m seeing in your post is out and out racism with zilch to back it up.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792
    @stevevladeck.bsky.social‬

    Really looking forward to the Speaker of the House claiming to be unaware of the election results.

    https://bsky.app/profile/stevevladeck.bsky.social/post/3m4u2w2ahcc2r
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,834
    dunham said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good luck New York, looks like the communist got elected.

    I guess we’re about to find out what happens when a finance capital elects someone who doesn’t believe in wealth or crime.

    It is a disaster for New York's very large Jewish community of well over 1 million that their fellow citizens have elected a radical pro-Hamas antisemitic socialist of Shiite ethnicity as New York mayor. It could precipitate mass emigration, for example to Florida or even Judea and Samaria. Together with the increasing antisemitism of the American right, as illustrated by the views of the Heritage Foundation and Tucker Carlson, the USA no longer appears to be the "Goldene Medina".
    You seem to assume that no Jews in NYC voted for Mamdani. That is not the case. Neither is it true that he supports Hamas, or is a Communist or radical. He describes himself as a Democratic Socialist, a political stance unremarkeable in most of the world.

  • CumberlandGapCumberlandGap Posts: 98

    boulay said:

    Whilst Mamdami is from the other side of the political divide to me I was impressed by his victory speech. Very charismatic and hit all the right notes.

    I think he could very well be an effective rallying poin t with profile required to attack Trump for the Dems - they’ve needed someone to coalesce around and whilst he will be too far left for many he will get the airtime with decent attacks.

    Trump won’t like it being attacked from New York.

    What odds Mamdami gets arrested before 2028? Seems a likely Trumpian play.
    Am I in some parallel universe in which Trump was not hounded by multiple jurisdictions (including New York) when he lost the presidency ? With many of the cases things that no one had ever been prosecuted before. He was hounded, arrested, but ultimately no convictions.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to enact revenge, but let’s not pretend that his side is the only one that does it. The democratic machine and republican one are as poisonous as each other.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792
    The Mad King has invited all Republican Senators to the White House for breakfast, so he can shout at them for losing and tell them to nuke the filibuster
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,672

    boulay said:

    Whilst Mamdami is from the other side of the political divide to me I was impressed by his victory speech. Very charismatic and hit all the right notes.

    I think he could very well be an effective rallying poin t with profile required to attack Trump for the Dems - they’ve needed someone to coalesce around and whilst he will be too far left for many he will get the airtime with decent attacks.

    Trump won’t like it being attacked from New York.

    What odds Mamdami gets arrested before 2028? Seems a likely Trumpian play.
    Am I in some parallel universe in which Trump was not hounded by multiple jurisdictions (including New York) when he lost the presidency ? With many of the cases things that no one had ever been prosecuted before. He was hounded, arrested, but ultimately no convictions.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to enact revenge, but let’s not pretend that his side is the only one that does it. The democratic machine and republican one are as poisonous as each other.
    Yes, you appear live in the parallel Trumpian universe.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,562
    Sandpit said:

    Ratters said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    Gerrymandering is clearly a bad thing. But the GOP can hardly complain about California when they've been doing the same thing in other states for many years, including Texas most recently. The end result is too important for one side to play nicely if the other side isn't.

    Republicans have spent the last month not even sitting in the House. So they don't seem in too much of a rush on their legislative agenda.
    The House Speaker doesn’t want to them to sit until the Senate passes the budget to reopen the government.

    It’s surprising, but not at all shocking, to know that the elected representatives and their staff are still getting paid, even as many others who work for the government are not. I suspect a handful more Dem Senators join Sen Fetterman this week in voting to reopen government, now that the elections are over. There’s serious concern in the aviation industry that Thankgiving could be a real mess of cancelled and delayed flights, and the major airlines all wrote public letters to the Senators last week urging them to pass the CR.
    I don't think the CR will pass unless either 1) the Democrats get some win/compromise or 2) Republicans kill the Senate filibuster.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,292
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Whilst Mamdami is from the other side of the political divide to me I was impressed by his victory speech. Very charismatic and hit all the right notes.

    I think he could very well be an effective rallying poin t with profile required to attack Trump for the Dems - they’ve needed someone to coalesce around and whilst he will be too far left for many he will get the airtime with decent attacks.

    Trump won’t like it being attacked from New York.

    What odds Mamdami gets arrested before 2028? Seems a likely Trumpian play.
    I think arresting the Mayor of New York would be the point where we have really gone through the looking glass and if it can get to that then the US wouldn’t really be a functioning free democracy anymore.
    We're already there.

    Longest ever government shutdown with zero sign that they want to bring it back. Troops imposed into states and cities against the wishes of the elected governments. Trump openly talking about how he can impose marshall law on them and then continue in office beyond the end of his term. Whilst describing elected officials as terrorists.

    On what planet are they going to hold free elections next year?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,028

    boulay said:

    Whilst Mamdami is from the other side of the political divide to me I was impressed by his victory speech. Very charismatic and hit all the right notes.

    I think he could very well be an effective rallying poin t with profile required to attack Trump for the Dems - they’ve needed someone to coalesce around and whilst he will be too far left for many he will get the airtime with decent attacks.

    Trump won’t like it being attacked from New York.

    What odds Mamdami gets arrested before 2028? Seems a likely Trumpian play.
    Am I in some parallel universe in which Trump was not hounded by multiple jurisdictions (including New York) when he lost the presidency ? With many of the cases things that no one had ever been prosecuted before. He was hounded, arrested, but ultimately no convictions.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to enact revenge, but let’s not pretend that his side is the only one that does it. The democratic machine and republican one are as poisonous as each other.
    They did manage to get one set of convictions, but yes from the day he said he was running again there was a concerted effort to ‘get’ Trump - something that in the end only emboldened his supporters.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792

    On what planet are they going to hold free elections next year?

    They can't afford to...

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    Big shout out to Utah Republicans, who greedily passed a fully gerrymandered map that includes an R+2 and an R+6 district, as they watched Democrats easily overcome those margins all across the country tonight.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,834
    In the mid mid terms it seems that the Democrats have gained a couple of State Senators in Mississippi, thereby ending the Republican supermajority there.

    So its not just in blue cities that the tide changing.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,292

    boulay said:

    Whilst Mamdami is from the other side of the political divide to me I was impressed by his victory speech. Very charismatic and hit all the right notes.

    I think he could very well be an effective rallying poin t with profile required to attack Trump for the Dems - they’ve needed someone to coalesce around and whilst he will be too far left for many he will get the airtime with decent attacks.

    Trump won’t like it being attacked from New York.

    What odds Mamdami gets arrested before 2028? Seems a likely Trumpian play.
    Am I in some parallel universe in which Trump was not hounded by multiple jurisdictions (including New York) when he lost the presidency ? With many of the cases things that no one had ever been prosecuted before. He was hounded, arrested, but ultimately no convictions.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to enact revenge, but let’s not pretend that his side is the only one that does it. The democratic machine and republican one are as poisonous as each other.
    Yes they are - its the fault of the DNC that we are here as much as it is anyones.

    But that's as far as you get. Trump is ruling by decree, with no government, imposing troops into areas who vote for "terrorists".

    If you can show me where Democrats are doing that then perhaps you would have a point. And no, you can't use "ah but its the democrats fault we have no government" as an excuse. Because it isn't true. The Speaker shut down the House to avoid losing the Epstein vote. And they haven't been back since...
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,672
    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    Whilst Mamdami is from the other side of the political divide to me I was impressed by his victory speech. Very charismatic and hit all the right notes.

    I think he could very well be an effective rallying poin t with profile required to attack Trump for the Dems - they’ve needed someone to coalesce around and whilst he will be too far left for many he will get the airtime with decent attacks.

    Trump won’t like it being attacked from New York.

    What odds Mamdami gets arrested before 2028? Seems a likely Trumpian play.
    Am I in some parallel universe in which Trump was not hounded by multiple jurisdictions (including New York) when he lost the presidency ? With many of the cases things that no one had ever been prosecuted before. He was hounded, arrested, but ultimately no convictions.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to enact revenge, but let’s not pretend that his side is the only one that does it. The democratic machine and republican one are as poisonous as each other.
    They did manage to get one set of convictions, but yes from the day he said he was running again there was a concerted effort to ‘get’ Trump - something that in the end only emboldened his supporters.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/11/04/trump-prosecution-merrick-garland-book-column-00633751

    The problem wasn't that they went after Trump, the problem was they were too slow and timid. Treason needs to be punished.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,899
    dunham said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good luck New York, looks like the communist got elected.

    I guess we’re about to find out what happens when a finance capital elects someone who doesn’t believe in wealth or crime.

    It is a disaster for New York's very large Jewish community of well over 1 million that their fellow citizens have elected a radical pro-Hamas antisemitic socialist of Shiite ethnicity as New York mayor. It could precipitate mass emigration, for example to Florida or even Judea and Samaria. Together with the increasing antisemitism of the American right, as illustrated by the views of the Heritage Foundation and Tucker Carlson, the USA no longer appears to be the "Goldene Medina".
    Four in ten of them voted for him.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792

    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    Whilst Mamdami is from the other side of the political divide to me I was impressed by his victory speech. Very charismatic and hit all the right notes.

    I think he could very well be an effective rallying poin t with profile required to attack Trump for the Dems - they’ve needed someone to coalesce around and whilst he will be too far left for many he will get the airtime with decent attacks.

    Trump won’t like it being attacked from New York.

    What odds Mamdami gets arrested before 2028? Seems a likely Trumpian play.
    Am I in some parallel universe in which Trump was not hounded by multiple jurisdictions (including New York) when he lost the presidency ? With many of the cases things that no one had ever been prosecuted before. He was hounded, arrested, but ultimately no convictions.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to enact revenge, but let’s not pretend that his side is the only one that does it. The democratic machine and republican one are as poisonous as each other.
    They did manage to get one set of convictions, but yes from the day he said he was running again there was a concerted effort to ‘get’ Trump - something that in the end only emboldened his supporters.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/11/04/trump-prosecution-merrick-garland-book-column-00633751

    The problem wasn't that they went after Trump, the problem was they were too slow and timid. Treason needs to be punished.
    They are going to need 'truth and reconciliation' after Trump
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,930
    edited 7:17AM
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    If I were looking for betting implications I'd be looking in the Senate.

    I'd not even bother betting on Maine, and I can't see the Republicans taking Georgia or Michigan on those numbers.

    Ohio looks to be value as a Republican loss. Likewise North Carolina.

    The Dems would need one more seat to take the Senate if they won those. The map is distinctly unkind to them, but OGH Jr has mentioned Texas. On these figures, the Republicans might even have reason to be nervous in Mississippi.
    Mississippi always looks closer than it really is. The truth is that the vote is dominated by racial lines and very inelastic.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,672
    Nigelb said:

    dunham said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good luck New York, looks like the communist got elected.

    I guess we’re about to find out what happens when a finance capital elects someone who doesn’t believe in wealth or crime.

    It is a disaster for New York's very large Jewish community of well over 1 million that their fellow citizens have elected a radical pro-Hamas antisemitic socialist of Shiite ethnicity as New York mayor. It could precipitate mass emigration, for example to Florida or even Judea and Samaria. Together with the increasing antisemitism of the American right, as illustrated by the views of the Heritage Foundation and Tucker Carlson, the USA no longer appears to be the "Goldene Medina".
    Four in ten of them voted for him.
    Surprising that the same people who love to point out that pundits shouldn't assume minorities vote Dem/Labour/left because of their race or religion, are quite happy to assume Jews won't vote for Mamdami.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,811
    Foxy said:

    dunham said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good luck New York, looks like the communist got elected.

    I guess we’re about to find out what happens when a finance capital elects someone who doesn’t believe in wealth or crime.

    It is a disaster for New York's very large Jewish community of well over 1 million that their fellow citizens have elected a radical pro-Hamas antisemitic socialist of Shiite ethnicity as New York mayor. It could precipitate mass emigration, for example to Florida or even Judea and Samaria. Together with the increasing antisemitism of the American right, as illustrated by the views of the Heritage Foundation and Tucker Carlson, the USA no longer appears to be the "Goldene Medina".
    You seem to assume that no Jews in NYC voted for Mamdani. That is not the case. Neither is it true that he supports Hamas, or is a Communist or radical. He describes himself as a Democratic Socialist, a political stance unremarkeable in most of the world.

    +1 the opposition threw everything they had at him to try to get votes but the other candidates were so bad it wasn’t going to work.

    Reality is I suspect Mamdani will be reigned in by reality and get a couple of his most popular policies through and that will be it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,899
    I look forward to the many PBers, who have rightly complained of the utter failure of the police to investigate what are clearly illegal high street shops, to congratulate the BBC on this piece of investigative journalism.

    Crime network behind UK mini-marts is enabling migrants to work illegally, BBC finds
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mx99ple17o
    ...We have linked more than 100 mini-marts, barbershops and car washes, operating from Dundee to south Devon, to the crime network. But a financial crime investigator told the BBC he believes it goes much wider.
    The Home Office said it will investigate the BBC's findings.
    Reacting to our investigation, Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood, said: "Illegal working and linked organised criminality creates an incentive for people to come here illegally. We will not stand for it."
    For the first time, we can reveal the inner workings of a criminal system that lets asylum seekers work in plain sight on UK High Streets, in mini-marts that mainly profit from illegal cigarettes and vapes...

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,672

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    If I were looking for betting implications I'd be looking in the Senate.

    I'd not even bother betting on Maine, and I can't see the Republicans taking Georgia or Michigan on those numbers.

    Ohio looks to be value as a Republican loss. Likewise North Carolina.

    The Dems would need one more seat to take the Senate if they won those. The map is distinctly unkind to them, but OGH Jr has mentioned Texas. On these figures, the Republicans might even have reason to be nervous in Mississippi.
    Mississippi always looks closer than it really is. The truth is that the vote is dominated by racial lines and very inelastic.
    What will be the burning issue there?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,644
    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests .

    Historically there would only have been one possible interpretation…

    😩
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,292
    Scott_xP said:

    On what planet are they going to hold free elections next year?

    They can't afford to...

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    Big shout out to Utah Republicans, who greedily passed a fully gerrymandered map that includes an R+2 and an R+6 district, as they watched Democrats easily overcome those margins all across the country tonight.
    I sound like some kind of paranoid lunatic, talking about the end of American democracy. But it's happening in real time in front of people who seem to be using normalcy bias to argue that it isn't.

    Trump isn't the entire movement, not even close. The others? Go to jail if the Democrats win an election. Worse than that, they seem to genuinely feel this is a battle for America itself, with the Democrats being a traitorous unchristian monster of a thing.

    And they are in office, with power literally unchecked. So of course they are going after democracy. People voting against them is further proof that the traitors are trying to end America. Stop them by any means necessary.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,954

    boulay said:

    Whilst Mamdami is from the other side of the political divide to me I was impressed by his victory speech. Very charismatic and hit all the right notes.

    I think he could very well be an effective rallying poin t with profile required to attack Trump for the Dems - they’ve needed someone to coalesce around and whilst he will be too far left for many he will get the airtime with decent attacks.

    Trump won’t like it being attacked from New York.

    What odds Mamdami gets arrested before 2028? Seems a likely Trumpian play.
    Am I in some parallel universe in which Trump was not hounded by multiple jurisdictions (including New York) when he lost the presidency ? With many of the cases things that no one had ever been prosecuted before. He was hounded, arrested, but ultimately no convictions.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to enact revenge, but let’s not pretend that his side is the only one that does it. The democratic machine and republican one are as poisonous as each other.
    You’re right. Remember It was Saint Leticia James, now under some legal difficulties herself, who ran for office on a pledge to ‘get Trump’ so what goes around etc etc.

    But it’s very much my side right or wrong for many.
  • Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Alan Bates has received a multi million pound compensation settlement from the PO after his campaigning, as well as the knighthood he got from the King
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e723qv0no

    Very good news. Justice at last, I hope.
    Justice finally for Mr Bates, but let’s not forget the hundreds of others affected by this scandal, and let’s hope the right thing is done to them all as quickly as possible.

    For many, sadly, justice will come too late.
    It does seem that finally the Government has stopped obstructing and justice is finally being done. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74jvd0drvvo
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,028

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    I am not sure why you are concerned by the Dem proposition in California and you are not concerned by the "industrial scale" vote rigging going on in Texas and other Red states. Neither are right, but one is understandable in the light of Trump gerrymandering.
    Because the California measure specifically was on the ballot yesterday. I’ve long called out US House seat Gerrymandering whenever and whoever is doing it, both sides have been at it forever. Gov Elbridge Gerry was called out for it in the year 1812, coining the term we still use today.

    The problem is how to resolve it, when the elections are clearly run by the States and not the Federal government. It’s a prisoners’ dilemma, so Texas and California will keep doing it until they can both agree to use impartial boundaries as they do in the UK.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,078
    Nigelb said:

    I look forward to the many PBers, who have rightly complained of the utter failure of the police to investigate what are clearly illegal high street shops, to congratulate the BBC on this piece of investigative journalism.

    Crime network behind UK mini-marts is enabling migrants to work illegally, BBC finds
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mx99ple17o
    ...We have linked more than 100 mini-marts, barbershops and car washes, operating from Dundee to south Devon, to the crime network. But a financial crime investigator told the BBC he believes it goes much wider.
    The Home Office said it will investigate the BBC's findings.
    Reacting to our investigation, Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood, said: "Illegal working and linked organised criminality creates an incentive for people to come here illegally. We will not stand for it."
    For the first time, we can reveal the inner workings of a criminal system that lets asylum seekers work in plain sight on UK High Streets, in mini-marts that mainly profit from illegal cigarettes and vapes...

    That does sound like excellent journalism.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,954
    Ratters said:

    Sandpit said:

    Ratters said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    Gerrymandering is clearly a bad thing. But the GOP can hardly complain about California when they've been doing the same thing in other states for many years, including Texas most recently. The end result is too important for one side to play nicely if the other side isn't.

    Republicans have spent the last month not even sitting in the House. So they don't seem in too much of a rush on their legislative agenda.
    The House Speaker doesn’t want to them to sit until the Senate passes the budget to reopen the government.

    It’s surprising, but not at all shocking, to know that the elected representatives and their staff are still getting paid, even as many others who work for the government are not. I suspect a handful more Dem Senators join Sen Fetterman this week in voting to reopen government, now that the elections are over. There’s serious concern in the aviation industry that Thankgiving could be a real mess of cancelled and delayed flights, and the major airlines all wrote public letters to the Senators last week urging them to pass the CR.
    I don't think the CR will pass unless either 1) the Democrats get some win/compromise or 2) Republicans kill the Senate filibuster.
    I hope it passes soon. My wife is off to New York in three weeks time with her friend for a few days. I’m looking forward to a few days solitude.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,339
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    If I were looking for betting implications I'd be looking in the Senate.

    I'd not even bother betting on Maine, and I can't see the Republicans taking Georgia or Michigan on those numbers.

    Ohio looks to be value as a Republican loss. Likewise North Carolina.

    The Dems would need one more seat to take the Senate if they won those. The map is distinctly unkind to them, but OGH Jr has mentioned Texas. On these figures, the Republicans might even have reason to be nervous in Mississippi.
    I think that’s about right, OH and NC are going to be the marginals.

    Texas keeps threatening to turn purple but never does, the biggest issue there is immigration and border control on which Trump still has a lead.
    I’m off there today (Houston) so I’ll ask them. Or maybe best not.

    Then off to California.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,899
    Scott_xP said:

    On what planet are they going to hold free elections next year?

    They can't afford to...

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    Big shout out to Utah Republicans, who greedily passed a fully gerrymandered map that includes an R+2 and an R+6 district, as they watched Democrats easily overcome those margins all across the country tonight.
    It's quite possible we'll see a similar effect in Texas. Gerrymandering is all very well when the national vote is close, but diluting your vote to grab a few more seats can work massively against you if there's (say) a 5% swing to the other party.

    I the other sure if the coin, the CA gerrymander ought to be pretty effective. (And there's a fairly strong incentive to undo it as promised, for future elections.)
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,672
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    I am not sure why you are concerned by the Dem proposition in California and you are not concerned by the "industrial scale" vote rigging going on in Texas and other Red states. Neither are right, but one is understandable in the light of Trump gerrymandering.
    Because the California measure specifically was on the ballot yesterday. I’ve long called out US House seat Gerrymandering whenever and whoever is doing it, both sides have been at it forever. Gov Elbridge Gerry was called out for it in the year 1812, coining the term we still use today.

    The problem is how to resolve it, when the elections are clearly run by the States and not the Federal government. It’s a prisoners’ dilemma, so Texas and California will keep doing it until they can both agree to use impartial boundaries as they do in the UK.
    That's good to know. So obviously you post your criticism of the Dems here on pb.com, out of interest which is the site where you post your criticism of the Republicans?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,873

    Morning all! The impact on the mid-terms?

    There won’t be any in Democrat areas.

    No elections for seditious communist terrorists.

    That wouldn't surprise me, but one factor in democracy's benefit is that Trump is such a narcissist that he sees other Republicans losing as proof of his unique popularity. I'm not sure he's motivated to put in a huge effort to fix an election for other people.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,899
    edited 7:30AM
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    I am not sure why you are concerned by the Dem proposition in California and you are not concerned by the "industrial scale" vote rigging going on in Texas and other Red states. Neither are right, but one is understandable in the light of Trump gerrymandering.
    Because the California measure specifically was on the ballot yesterday. I’ve long called out US House seat Gerrymandering whenever and whoever is doing it, both sides have been at it forever. Gov Elbridge Gerry was called out for it in the year 1812, coining the term we still use today.

    The problem is how to resolve it, when the elections are clearly run by the States and not the Federal government. It’s a prisoners’ dilemma, so Texas and California will keep doing it until they can both agree to use impartial boundaries as they do in the UK.
    Surely putting the CA measure on the ballot is more democratic than just imposing it by fiat ?

    As for resolving it, there's a promise to undo it. Many will have voted for it on that basis.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,339

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    I am not sure why you are concerned by the Dem proposition in California and you are not concerned by the "industrial scale" vote rigging going on in Texas and other Red states. Neither are right, but one is understandable in the light of Trump gerrymandering.
    Because the California measure specifically was on the ballot yesterday. I’ve long called out US House seat Gerrymandering whenever and whoever is doing it, both sides have been at it forever. Gov Elbridge Gerry was called out for it in the year 1812, coining the term we still use today.

    The problem is how to resolve it, when the elections are clearly run by the States and not the Federal government. It’s a prisoners’ dilemma, so Texas and California will keep doing it until they can both agree to use impartial boundaries as they do in the UK.
    That's good to know. So obviously you post your criticism of the Dems here on pb.com, out of interest which is the site where you post your criticism of the Republicans?
    Are you not aware of Piraticalbotting.com?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792
    @taniel.bsky.social‬

    Georgia Democrats had not won a statewide race that wasn't for a federal office since 2006.

    They won two races tonight, both against GOP incumbents.

    The margins? 62% to 38% in both.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,954
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Alan Bates has received a multi million pound compensation settlement from the PO after his campaigning, as well as the knighthood he got from the King
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e723qv0no

    Very good news. Justice at last, I hope.
    Justice finally for Mr Bates, but let’s not forget the hundreds of others affected by this scandal, and let’s hope the right thing is done to them all as quickly as possible.

    For many, sadly, justice will come too late.
    They seem to be pushing forward on several payouts they were previously trying to row back on. My guess is they're unnerved by police investigations.

    Oldest victim of Post Office scandal, 92, receives final payout
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74jvd0drvvo

    But we won't have seen injustice until some of these scum are jailed good and hard, both as punishment and pour encourager les autres.
    I’m pleased for he, but as she says it took too long. Justic always moves slowly for the little people.

    Saw her on the local news recently discussing it. She was of the view she, like some others, would die before getting justice, I’m glad that’s not the case.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,843

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    I am not sure why you are concerned by the Dem proposition in California and you are not concerned by the "industrial scale" vote rigging going on in Texas and other Red states. Neither are right, but one is understandable in the light of Trump gerrymandering.
    Because the California measure specifically was on the ballot yesterday. I’ve long called out US House seat Gerrymandering whenever and whoever is doing it, both sides have been at it forever. Gov Elbridge Gerry was called out for it in the year 1812, coining the term we still use today.

    The problem is how to resolve it, when the elections are clearly run by the States and not the Federal government. It’s a prisoners’ dilemma, so Texas and California will keep doing it until they can both agree to use impartial boundaries as they do in the UK.
    That's good to know. So obviously you post your criticism of the Dems here on pb.com, out of interest which is the site where you post your criticism of the Republicans?
    Problem in the US is that the Federal govt would gerrymander the boundaries as well and if they had an "independent" body like the Electoral Commission it would have political appointments, so would gerrymander.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792

    Morning all! The impact on the mid-terms?

    There won’t be any in Democrat areas.

    No elections for seditious communist terrorists.

    That wouldn't surprise me, but one factor in democracy's benefit is that Trump is such a narcissist that he sees other Republicans losing as proof of his unique popularity. I'm not sure he's motivated to put in a huge effort to fix an election for other people.
    Everything Trump touches dies

    RIP the GOP
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,590
    The Jay Jones result in Virginia shows just how polarised the US has become . Quite shocking but not surprising.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,954
    Nigelb said:

    I look forward to the many PBers, who have rightly complained of the utter failure of the police to investigate what are clearly illegal high street shops, to congratulate the BBC on this piece of investigative journalism.

    Crime network behind UK mini-marts is enabling migrants to work illegally, BBC finds
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mx99ple17o
    ...We have linked more than 100 mini-marts, barbershops and car washes, operating from Dundee to south Devon, to the crime network. But a financial crime investigator told the BBC he believes it goes much wider.
    The Home Office said it will investigate the BBC's findings.
    Reacting to our investigation, Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood, said: "Illegal working and linked organised criminality creates an incentive for people to come here illegally. We will not stand for it."
    For the first time, we can reveal the inner workings of a criminal system that lets asylum seekers work in plain sight on UK High Streets, in mini-marts that mainly profit from illegal cigarettes and vapes...

    Yes, it looks like a solid piece of investigative journalism. Really confirming what plenty of people know anecdotally. I wonder if the Home Office will do anything with it or just sit on it,
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,480

    Morning all! The impact on the mid-terms?

    There won’t be any in Democrat areas.

    No elections for seditious communist terrorists.

    That wouldn't surprise me, but one factor in democracy's benefit is that Trump is such a narcissist that he sees other Republicans losing as proof of his unique popularity. I'm not sure he's motivated to put in a huge effort to fix an election for other people.
    We've already had Trump saying that Republican defeats are because his name wasn't on the ballot. He's probably right- at least in the sense that generic Republicans being less popular than DJT.

    Even when he goes, things get worse before they have a chance of getting better.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792
    @samfr.bsky.social‬

    A particularly important result: the Dems retained all three seats on the PA supreme court which means the GOP can't get a majority before 2028.

    State supreme courts matter a lot in the fair running of Presidential elections and PA is one of the key swing states.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,292

    Morning all! The impact on the mid-terms?

    There won’t be any in Democrat areas.

    No elections for seditious communist terrorists.

    That wouldn't surprise me, but one factor in democracy's benefit is that Trump is such a narcissist that he sees other Republicans losing as proof of his unique popularity. I'm not sure he's motivated to put in a huge effort to fix an election for other people.
    Sure - but he knows that he needs to keep Democrats from opposing him.

    I'm not sure how we get past the current impasse. With the government closed Trump gets to rule by decree, have the billionaire class pay for stuff he wants, shut down Democrat programs, and most importantly of all stop the House releasing the Epstein files.

    I keep thinking the shutdown has to end. But it goes on. Are they even trying to solve it as the days go on?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,672
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    I look forward to the many PBers, who have rightly complained of the utter failure of the police to investigate what are clearly illegal high street shops, to congratulate the BBC on this piece of investigative journalism.

    Crime network behind UK mini-marts is enabling migrants to work illegally, BBC finds
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mx99ple17o
    ...We have linked more than 100 mini-marts, barbershops and car washes, operating from Dundee to south Devon, to the crime network. But a financial crime investigator told the BBC he believes it goes much wider.
    The Home Office said it will investigate the BBC's findings.
    Reacting to our investigation, Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood, said: "Illegal working and linked organised criminality creates an incentive for people to come here illegally. We will not stand for it."
    For the first time, we can reveal the inner workings of a criminal system that lets asylum seekers work in plain sight on UK High Streets, in mini-marts that mainly profit from illegal cigarettes and vapes...

    Yes, it looks like a solid piece of investigative journalism. Really confirming what plenty of people know anecdotally. I wonder if the Home Office will do anything with it or just sit on it,
    I'm sure there will be arrests. But with a pack of cigarettes retailing at £15, and costing less than £1 to make them, I suspect the economics are too powerful to leave a vacuum in this black market for long.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792
    @atrupar.com‬

    AOC: "The Supreme Court has given Trump a blank check to continue to commit crimes while in office. So we cannot underestimate the threat and danger of this moment, but we cannot respond to that threat with cowardice."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m4u3oz3b5e2z
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792

    I keep thinking the shutdown has to end. But it goes on. Are they even trying to solve it as the days go on?

    Trump is going to tell them to end it today
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,464
    edited 7:39AM
    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Alan Bates has received a multi million pound compensation settlement from the PO after his campaigning, as well as the knighthood he got from the King
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e723qv0no

    Very good news. Justice at last, I hope.
    Justice finally for Mr Bates, but let’s not forget the hundreds of others affected by this scandal, and let’s hope the right thing is done to them all as quickly as possible.

    For many, sadly, justice will come too late.
    They seem to be pushing forward on several payouts they were previously trying to row back on. My guess is they're unnerved by police investigations.

    Oldest victim of Post Office scandal, 92, receives final payout
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74jvd0drvvo

    But we won't have seen injustice until some of these scum are jailed good and hard, both as punishment and pour encourager les autres.
    I’m pleased for he, but as she says it took too long. Justic always moves slowly for the little people.

    Saw her on the local news recently discussing it. She was of the view she, like some others, would die before getting justice, I’m glad that’s not the case.
    Me too, of course, but this is ultimately a state-owned business. It's all of us bearing this cost - no penalty on those who are responsible.

    As a country, we can't be satisfied until there are criminal convictions.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,600
    ydoethur said:

    Stereodog said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good luck New York, looks like the communist got elected.

    I guess we’re about to find out what happens when a finance capital elects someone who doesn’t believe in wealth or crime.

    Well we have the example of Ken Livingston in his first flowering as Leader of the GLC. A lot of eye-catching funding for trendy lefty groups which are either socially progressive or a waste of taxpayers money depending on your view. Big finance will continue regardless though, it always does. My only hope is that Mamdani is as good at annoying Trump as Livingston was Thatcher.
    Doesn't take much to annoy Trump. Just mention mushrooms, tax evasion, official secrets or election losses and he's off.
    It is said that Red Ken made London safe for property developers, so Trump might come to welcome this new guy.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792
    @ashtonpittman.bsky.social‬

    NEW: Mississippi Democrats broke the Republican Party's supermajority in the state Senate tonight for the first time since 2011.

    It came as Democrats flipped 2 Senate seats and 1 House seat.

    “Mississippi just broke the supermajority—and the people have taken back their power,” the party says.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,028

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    I am not sure why you are concerned by the Dem proposition in California and you are not concerned by the "industrial scale" vote rigging going on in Texas and other Red states. Neither are right, but one is understandable in the light of Trump gerrymandering.
    Because the California measure specifically was on the ballot yesterday. I’ve long called out US House seat Gerrymandering whenever and whoever is doing it, both sides have been at it forever. Gov Elbridge Gerry was called out for it in the year 1812, coining the term we still use today.

    The problem is how to resolve it, when the elections are clearly run by the States and not the Federal government. It’s a prisoners’ dilemma, so Texas and California will keep doing it until they can both agree to use impartial boundaries as they do in the UK.
    That's good to know. So obviously you post your criticism of the Dems here on pb.com, out of interest which is the site where you post your criticism of the Republicans?
    Haha. I do post both positive and negative things about both Republicans and Democrats, but yes I will generally post the Republican side if these’s already three or four others on the thread uncritically posting the Democratic side, as is often the case.

    Happy to say that the Democrats had a good night last night, which with the exception of Jay Jones wasn’t all that surprising.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792
    @taniel.bsky.social‬

    BIG result, folks:

    Bucks County, Pennsylvania, was ground zero for the conservative takeover of school boards & anti-LGBTQ policies in 2021, on the Central Bucks and Pennridge boards.

    Dems flipped both boards back in 2023.

    Tonight, Dems have ousted *all* Republicans from both school boards.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,600

    Morning all! The impact on the mid-terms?

    There won’t be any in Democrat areas.

    No elections for seditious communist terrorists.

    That wouldn't surprise me, but one factor in democracy's benefit is that Trump is such a narcissist that he sees other Republicans losing as proof of his unique popularity. I'm not sure he's motivated to put in a huge effort to fix an election for other people.
    Let's hope not but we should remember the GOP's take on democracy long pre-dates Trump.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,779
    .
    carnforth said:

    Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan
    @MayorofLondon

    Oxford Street’s Christmas lights are now on.


    ===

    Can we please get a private members bill to ban all xmas related activity until after Bonfire Night?

    I mean FFS.

    Bonfire night is dying. It was once a bigger thing than Halloween, now it’s a shadow of its former self. Whether it’s insurance costs, or using health and safety as an excuse or something else we are seeing the end of a great historic British tradition (well English, at least). Halloween now gives way to Christmas season. We don’t even have Thanksgiving to look forward to.
    Thanksgiving's July 4th, n'est pas?
    N’est-ce pas
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,672
    Scott_xP said:

    @taniel.bsky.social‬

    BIG result, folks:

    Bucks County, Pennsylvania, was ground zero for the conservative takeover of school boards & anti-LGBTQ policies in 2021, on the Central Bucks and Pennridge boards.

    Dems flipped both boards back in 2023.

    Tonight, Dems have ousted *all* Republicans from both school boards.

    Hope the good voters in Bucks have opened up the fizz to celebrate.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,873

    Morning all! The impact on the mid-terms?

    There won’t be any in Democrat areas.

    No elections for seditious communist terrorists.

    That wouldn't surprise me, but one factor in democracy's benefit is that Trump is such a narcissist that he sees other Republicans losing as proof of his unique popularity. I'm not sure he's motivated to put in a huge effort to fix an election for other people.
    We've already had Trump saying that Republican defeats are because his name wasn't on the ballot. He's probably right- at least in the sense that generic Republicans being less popular than DJT.

    Even when he goes, things get worse before they have a chance of getting better.
    Trump's response is exactly why I've changed my view on this. He didn't say the vote had been rigged against the Republicans. That there were irregularities they had to fix for the midterms, etc. It was you lost because you're losers who aren't me and who didn't do what I said you should do.

    It's such a revealingly different response to his own elections where he's consistently alleged vote-rigging to reduce the margin of his victory/overturn the result.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792
    @bencollins.bsky.social‬

    Tonight's even more proof the mainstream reporters who are still on Twitter are suffering from a brain problem akin Havana Syndrome that is preventing them from accurately doing their jobs. They are being cooked alive by a snuff-focused apartheid algorithm.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,899
    .
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    I am not sure why you are concerned by the Dem proposition in California and you are not concerned by the "industrial scale" vote rigging going on in Texas and other Red states. Neither are right, but one is understandable in the light of Trump gerrymandering.
    Because the California measure specifically was on the ballot yesterday. I’ve long called out US House seat Gerrymandering whenever and whoever is doing it, both sides have been at it forever. Gov Elbridge Gerry was called out for it in the year 1812, coining the term we still use today.

    The problem is how to resolve it, when the elections are clearly run by the States and not the Federal government. It’s a prisoners’ dilemma, so Texas and California will keep doing it until they can both agree to use impartial boundaries as they do in the UK.
    That's good to know. So obviously you post your criticism of the Dems here on pb.com, out of interest which is the site where you post your criticism of the Republicans?
    Haha. I do post both positive and negative things about both Republicans and Democrats, but yes I will generally post the Republican side if these’s already three or four others on the thread uncritically posting the Democratic side, as is often the case.

    Happy to say that the Democrats had a good night last night, which with the exception of Jay Jones wasn’t all that surprising.
    The Jones result wasn't particularly surprising.
    He underperformed more or less as expected.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,028
    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    AOC: "The Supreme Court has given Trump a blank check to continue to commit crimes while in office. So we cannot underestimate the threat and danger of this moment, but we cannot respond to that threat with cowardice."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m4u3oz3b5e2z

    I’ve heard more than one commentator in the last 24 hours say that, in light of Mamdani’s election, AOC is going to be looking at a primary challenge to Sen Schumer in 2028.

    The senior NY Senator has been incumbent since 1999, and didn’t back the newly-elected mayor.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,843
    Taz said:

    boulay said:

    Whilst Mamdami is from the other side of the political divide to me I was impressed by his victory speech. Very charismatic and hit all the right notes.

    I think he could very well be an effective rallying poin t with profile required to attack Trump for the Dems - they’ve needed someone to coalesce around and whilst he will be too far left for many he will get the airtime with decent attacks.

    Trump won’t like it being attacked from New York.

    What odds Mamdami gets arrested before 2028? Seems a likely Trumpian play.
    Am I in some parallel universe in which Trump was not hounded by multiple jurisdictions (including New York) when he lost the presidency ? With many of the cases things that no one had ever been prosecuted before. He was hounded, arrested, but ultimately no convictions.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to enact revenge, but let’s not pretend that his side is the only one that does it. The democratic machine and republican one are as poisonous as each other.
    You’re right. Remember It was Saint Leticia James, now under some legal difficulties herself, who ran for office on a pledge to ‘get Trump’ so what goes around etc etc.

    But it’s very much my side right or wrong for many.
    It's definitely a parallel universe. Trump did a number of illegal things for which he was or should have been prosecuted but it's the US, so being rich, he gets away with it just like many othe rich people irrespective of their politics.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,779
    Sandpit said:

    Ratters said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    Gerrymandering is clearly a bad thing. But the GOP can hardly complain about California when they've been doing the same thing in other states for many years, including Texas most recently. The end result is too important for one side to play nicely if the other side isn't.

    Republicans have spent the last month not even sitting in the House. So they don't seem in too much of a rush on their legislative agenda.
    Oh they’ve all been at the Gerrymandering for decades now, I’m just not sure I remember it being so explicitly passed as a ballot measure before.

    The House Speaker doesn’t want to them to sit until the Senate passes the budget to reopen the government.

    It’s surprising, but not at all shocking, to know that the elected representatives and their staff are still getting paid, even as many others who work for the government are not. I suspect a handful more Dem Senators join Sen Fetterman this week in voting to reopen government, now that the elections are over. There’s serious concern in the aviation industry that Thankgiving could be a real mess of cancelled and delayed flights, and the major airlines all wrote public letters to the Senators last week urging them to pass the CR.
    The House Speaker doesn’t want them to sit because they’ll pass a resolution on Epstein that will embarrass Trump. The House Speaker has no right to stop the House sitting; whatever is going on in the Senate is an entirely separate matter. The Trump administration is the biggest threat to US democracy in our lifetimes.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,590
    edited 7:51AM
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    The industrial scale vote rigging measure passed in California, so that will definitely happen next year.

    As we saw during the first Trump presidency, many of his supporters don’t care about mid term elections, and the Democrats have a more enthused activist base to vote against the incumbent President.

    The US House almost certainly goes Dem next year, which means that the incumbent House has one year left to actually codify Trump’s extensive use of executive orders into law, having achieved bugger all of note in the last nine months!

    Yes the Virginia AG result is quite shocking.
    I am not sure why you are concerned by the Dem proposition in California and you are not concerned by the "industrial scale" vote rigging going on in Texas and other Red states. Neither are right, but one is understandable in the light of Trump gerrymandering.
    Because the California measure specifically was on the ballot yesterday. I’ve long called out US House seat Gerrymandering whenever and whoever is doing it, both sides have been at it forever. Gov Elbridge Gerry was called out for it in the year 1812, coining the term we still use today.

    The problem is how to resolve it, when the elections are clearly run by the States and not the Federal government. It’s a prisoners’ dilemma, so Texas and California will keep doing it until they can both agree to use impartial boundaries as they do in the UK.
    That's good to know. So obviously you post your criticism of the Dems here on pb.com, out of interest which is the site where you post your criticism of the Republicans?
    Haha. I do post both positive and negative things about both Republicans and Democrats, but yes I will generally post the Republican side if these’s already three or four others on the thread uncritically posting the Democratic side, as is often the case.

    Happy to say that the Democrats had a good night last night, which with the exception of Jay Jones wasn’t all that surprising.
    The Jones result wasn't particularly surprising.
    He underperformed more or less as expected.
    Spanbergers big win got him over the line . The NJ win was a surprise with Sherrill winning by that big a margin . At least Cuomo can stop whining , he would have lost even if Sliwa had left the race .
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,480
    Scott_xP said:

    Morning all! The impact on the mid-terms?

    There won’t be any in Democrat areas.

    No elections for seditious communist terrorists.

    That wouldn't surprise me, but one factor in democracy's benefit is that Trump is such a narcissist that he sees other Republicans losing as proof of his unique popularity. I'm not sure he's motivated to put in a huge effort to fix an election for other people.
    Everything Trump touches dies

    RIP the GOP
    Rhymes with the Conservatives/Boris problem.

    A party struggling at national level lets itself be taken over by a problematic (ahem) but charismatic figurehead. Who wins on their personal appeal, but wrecks what is left of the party's appeal.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,644
    Foxy said:

    dunham said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good luck New York, looks like the communist got elected.

    I guess we’re about to find out what happens when a finance capital elects someone who doesn’t believe in wealth or crime.

    It is a disaster for New York's very large Jewish community of well over 1 million that their fellow citizens have elected a radical pro-Hamas antisemitic socialist of Shiite ethnicity as New York mayor. It could precipitate mass emigration, for example to Florida or even Judea and Samaria. Together with the increasing antisemitism of the American right, as illustrated by the views of the Heritage Foundation and Tucker Carlson, the USA no longer appears to be the "Goldene Medina".
    You seem to assume that no Jews in NYC voted for Mamdani. That is not the case. Neither is it true that he supports Hamas, or is a Communist or radical. He describes himself as a Democratic Socialist, a political stance unremarkeable in most of the world.

    You’ve also got to remember that US terminology is skewed.

    In UK terms an American “raving commie traitor” would probably be a fairly mainstream member of Ed Milliband’s Labour Party
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792

    Scott_xP said:

    Morning all! The impact on the mid-terms?

    There won’t be any in Democrat areas.

    No elections for seditious communist terrorists.

    That wouldn't surprise me, but one factor in democracy's benefit is that Trump is such a narcissist that he sees other Republicans losing as proof of his unique popularity. I'm not sure he's motivated to put in a huge effort to fix an election for other people.
    Everything Trump touches dies

    RIP the GOP
    Rhymes with the Conservatives/Boris problem.

    A party struggling at national level lets itself be taken over by a problematic (ahem) but charismatic figurehead. Who wins on their personal appeal, but wrecks what is left of the party's appeal.
    And using the same technique

    Swear fealty to The King or be banished from the tribe forever
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,899
    Thoughts and prayers for bow tie guy.

    Trafalgar Pollster during Hannity’s New Jersey Town hall last week: Look at who has this race close and who doesn't. The pollsters that have good records, like us, like Emerson, like co/efficient.. they all have this race extremely tight. The ones that consistently fail at elections, they are the ones skewing the averages. So it's important to pay attention to the pollsters who get it right
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1985924597263581679
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,779
    Taz said:

    boulay said:

    Whilst Mamdami is from the other side of the political divide to me I was impressed by his victory speech. Very charismatic and hit all the right notes.

    I think he could very well be an effective rallying poin t with profile required to attack Trump for the Dems - they’ve needed someone to coalesce around and whilst he will be too far left for many he will get the airtime with decent attacks.

    Trump won’t like it being attacked from New York.

    What odds Mamdami gets arrested before 2028? Seems a likely Trumpian play.
    Am I in some parallel universe in which Trump was not hounded by multiple jurisdictions (including New York) when he lost the presidency ? With many of the cases things that no one had ever been prosecuted before. He was hounded, arrested, but ultimately no convictions.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to enact revenge, but let’s not pretend that his side is the only one that does it. The democratic machine and republican one are as poisonous as each other.
    You’re right. Remember It was Saint Leticia James, now under some legal difficulties herself, who ran for office on a pledge to ‘get Trump’ so what goes around etc etc.

    But it’s very much my side right or wrong for many.
    James’s legal difficulties are made up. Experienced prosecutors refused to proceed with the case. Trump had to parachute in a crony with no prior prosecutorial experience to get an indictment, and the case is falling apart. The prosecution of James is a clear example of how Trump has eroded democracy.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792
    Confirmation of the seismic nature of the win...

    @DPJHodges

    Some positive results for the Democrats last night. But I'm not sure they should be breaking out the champagne over Mamdani's win. Suspect the fragmentation of the Democratic vote NY is a portent of things to come.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,590
    The Jay Jones result means it’s now easier for Virginia to change their house map . It’s likely Miyares would have slowed the process down .

    Re-districting is far from certain to deliver the results either side want because a lot can change in one year , it could backfire on either side .
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792

    Taz said:

    boulay said:

    Whilst Mamdami is from the other side of the political divide to me I was impressed by his victory speech. Very charismatic and hit all the right notes.

    I think he could very well be an effective rallying poin t with profile required to attack Trump for the Dems - they’ve needed someone to coalesce around and whilst he will be too far left for many he will get the airtime with decent attacks.

    Trump won’t like it being attacked from New York.

    What odds Mamdami gets arrested before 2028? Seems a likely Trumpian play.
    Am I in some parallel universe in which Trump was not hounded by multiple jurisdictions (including New York) when he lost the presidency ? With many of the cases things that no one had ever been prosecuted before. He was hounded, arrested, but ultimately no convictions.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to enact revenge, but let’s not pretend that his side is the only one that does it. The democratic machine and republican one are as poisonous as each other.
    You’re right. Remember It was Saint Leticia James, now under some legal difficulties herself, who ran for office on a pledge to ‘get Trump’ so what goes around etc etc.

    But it’s very much my side right or wrong for many.
    James’s legal difficulties are made up. Experienced prosecutors refused to proceed with the case. Trump had to parachute in a crony with no prior prosecutorial experience to get an indictment, and the case is falling apart. The prosecution of James is a clear example of how Trump has eroded democracy.
    There is a non-zero chance that as well as losing all the cases, she will end up in some personal legal jeopardy herself.

    Oh dear, how sad...
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,954
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Alan Bates has received a multi million pound compensation settlement from the PO after his campaigning, as well as the knighthood he got from the King
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e723qv0no

    Very good news. Justice at last, I hope.
    Justice finally for Mr Bates, but let’s not forget the hundreds of others affected by this scandal, and let’s hope the right thing is done to them all as quickly as possible.

    For many, sadly, justice will come too late.
    They seem to be pushing forward on several payouts they were previously trying to row back on. My guess is they're unnerved by police investigations.

    Oldest victim of Post Office scandal, 92, receives final payout
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74jvd0drvvo

    But we won't have seen injustice until some of these scum are jailed good and hard, both as punishment and pour encourager les autres.
    I’m pleased for he, but as she says it took too long. Justic always moves slowly for the little people.

    Saw her on the local news recently discussing it. She was of the view she, like some others, would die before getting justice, I’m glad that’s not the case.
    Me too, of course, but this is ultimately a state-owned business. It's all of us bearing this cost - no penalty on those who are responsible.

    As a country, we can't be satisfied until there are criminal convictions.
    Goes without saying, and those prosecuted need to fund their own defence. Bankrupt them.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,834

    Morning all! The impact on the mid-terms?

    There won’t be any in Democrat areas.

    No elections for seditious communist terrorists.

    That wouldn't surprise me, but one factor in democracy's benefit is that Trump is such a narcissist that he sees other Republicans losing as proof of his unique popularity. I'm not sure he's motivated to put in a huge effort to fix an election for other people.
    Sure - but he knows that he needs to keep Democrats from opposing him.

    I'm not sure how we get past the current impasse. With the government closed Trump gets to rule by decree, have the billionaire class pay for stuff he wants, shut down Democrat programs, and most importantly of all stop the House releasing the Epstein files.

    I keep thinking the shutdown has to end. But it goes on. Are they even trying to solve it as the days go on?
    Behind Trump's bragging and blatent corruption is a much more sophisticated and ruthless machine run by Theil.

    He is quite happy with the Federal shut down, is fine with SNAP ending etc. He sees it as a feature not a bug.

    This is a strand of US political thinking that hates the Federal government and wants it to stay shut down.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,954

    Taz said:

    boulay said:

    Whilst Mamdami is from the other side of the political divide to me I was impressed by his victory speech. Very charismatic and hit all the right notes.

    I think he could very well be an effective rallying poin t with profile required to attack Trump for the Dems - they’ve needed someone to coalesce around and whilst he will be too far left for many he will get the airtime with decent attacks.

    Trump won’t like it being attacked from New York.

    What odds Mamdami gets arrested before 2028? Seems a likely Trumpian play.
    Am I in some parallel universe in which Trump was not hounded by multiple jurisdictions (including New York) when he lost the presidency ? With many of the cases things that no one had ever been prosecuted before. He was hounded, arrested, but ultimately no convictions.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to enact revenge, but let’s not pretend that his side is the only one that does it. The democratic machine and republican one are as poisonous as each other.
    You’re right. Remember It was Saint Leticia James, now under some legal difficulties herself, who ran for office on a pledge to ‘get Trump’ so what goes around etc etc.

    But it’s very much my side right or wrong for many.
    James’s legal difficulties are made up. Experienced prosecutors refused to proceed with the case. Trump had to parachute in a crony with no prior prosecutorial experience to get an indictment, and the case is falling apart. The prosecution of James is a clear example of how Trump has eroded democracy.
    She’s got nothing to worry about then👍
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,672

    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    Whilst Mamdami is from the other side of the political divide to me I was impressed by his victory speech. Very charismatic and hit all the right notes.

    I think he could very well be an effective rallying poin t with profile required to attack Trump for the Dems - they’ve needed someone to coalesce around and whilst he will be too far left for many he will get the airtime with decent attacks.

    Trump won’t like it being attacked from New York.

    What odds Mamdami gets arrested before 2028? Seems a likely Trumpian play.
    Am I in some parallel universe in which Trump was not hounded by multiple jurisdictions (including New York) when he lost the presidency ? With many of the cases things that no one had ever been prosecuted before. He was hounded, arrested, but ultimately no convictions.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to enact revenge, but let’s not pretend that his side is the only one that does it. The democratic machine and republican one are as poisonous as each other.
    They did manage to get one set of convictions, but yes from the day he said he was running again there was a concerted effort to ‘get’ Trump - something that in the end only emboldened his supporters.
    It wasn’t from the day he said he was running again. It was from the day he tried to overthrow the democratic result.
    It should have been from that day. But there was a year or so of delay and caution which meant they both ran out of time and are open to the charge of only prosecuting him because he ran again.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792
    @estwebber

    🇳🇴 Here in Norway, northern European countries have struck a deal to tap Ukraine’s knowledge of drones and protecting critical infrastructure.

    New partnership signed between Ukraine and Joint Expeditionary Force in Bodø to counter Russian aggression in the Arctic region.

    https://x.com/estwebber/status/1985978796856496590
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,200

    Foxy said:

    dunham said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good luck New York, looks like the communist got elected.

    I guess we’re about to find out what happens when a finance capital elects someone who doesn’t believe in wealth or crime.

    It is a disaster for New York's very large Jewish community of well over 1 million that their fellow citizens have elected a radical pro-Hamas antisemitic socialist of Shiite ethnicity as New York mayor. It could precipitate mass emigration, for example to Florida or even Judea and Samaria. Together with the increasing antisemitism of the American right, as illustrated by the views of the Heritage Foundation and Tucker Carlson, the USA no longer appears to be the "Goldene Medina".
    You seem to assume that no Jews in NYC voted for Mamdani. That is not the case. Neither is it true that he supports Hamas, or is a Communist or radical. He describes himself as a Democratic Socialist, a political stance unremarkeable in most of the world.

    You’ve also got to remember that US terminology is skewed.

    In UK terms an American “raving commie traitor” would probably be a fairly mainstream member of Ed Milliband’s Labour Party
    Americans often get confused between socialists and communists. Which is especially ironic as socialists and communists *really* don't get on with each other.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,779

    Morning all! The impact on the mid-terms?

    There won’t be any in Democrat areas.

    No elections for seditious communist terrorists.

    That wouldn't surprise me, but one factor in democracy's benefit is that Trump is such a narcissist that he sees other Republicans losing as proof of his unique popularity. I'm not sure he's motivated to put in a huge effort to fix an election for other people.
    We've already had Trump saying that Republican defeats are because his name wasn't on the ballot. He's probably right- at least in the sense that generic Republicans being less popular than DJT.

    Even when he goes, things get worse before they have a chance of getting better.
    Trump's response is exactly why I've changed my view on this. He didn't say the vote had been rigged against the Republicans. That there were irregularities they had to fix for the midterms, etc. It was you lost because you're losers who aren't me and who didn't do what I said you should do.

    It's such a revealingly different response to his own elections where he's consistently alleged vote-rigging to reduce the margin of his victory/overturn the result.
    He has said (with no evidence) that the gerrymandering referendum in California was rigged.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,644
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    ydoethur said:

    Those results were pretty shocking for the Republicans. To lose the governor races, New York and the California redistributing are all understandable. To have an incumbent AG lose a race to somebody who arguably should be facing criminal charges is extremely bad and suggests without even more industrial scale vote rigging next year will be a bloodbath.

    Historically there would only have been one possible interpretation…

    😩

    (Edit: Correcting my blockquote futz that deleted the whole purpose of the comment…)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,792

    they both ran out of time and are open to the charge of only prosecuting him because he ran again.

    He only avoided prosecution by running again
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