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  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,570
    edited October 30
    Doesn’t the Commons need to legislate to officially remove Andrew’s titles ?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,175

    stodge said:

    nico67 said:

    I see the Tories are continuing to flog a dead horse . It’s irrelevant now what Reeves said yesterday . The estate agent apologized and has taken responsibility.

    Yes but the slightest inconsistency is enough to try to keep the story going.

    A private individual would, I assume, do the necessary research before embarking on becoming a landlord and would discover if a licence were needed in the area where their property was located.

    Rachel Reeves, as an MP and Chancellor, has other things on her plate (understandably) and in the blizzard of everything going on around her (and I can only guess what kind of working day she has), a tweet from three years ago would mean nothing. She probably wanted the lettings agent to deal with all the paperwork (that's what you pay them for I imagine) and assumed that had happened but it didn't and she has caught out.

    The Lettings Agent has admitted the mistake but if there is a fine levied by Leeds Council, Reeves, as the landlord, would have to pay it. Is any of this a hanging offence? Hardly - the only bone those hostile to her still seem to be chewing is the inconsistency angle and while that looks bad, again, hardly worth a resignation.

    Rentoul, wisely, asks why on this basis Rayner had to go. The problem is always when the story gets to such a point it becomes an unnecessary and damaging distraction at which point it no longer matters who did or said what and when.

    In the same way, the only hope those hoping to undermine Reeves and force her out is to keep the story going somehow but absent any new evidence it's going to fade away.
    Rayner was tax evasion based on her failure to take advice and misreporting to the revenue

    Reeves was an administrative oversight in failing to follow up with her agent to ensure they had done what they promised
    Does not bode well for a budget that she cannot even handle her own finances
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,175
    Dopermean said:

    kinabalu said:

    Rachel Reeves probably does not spend a lot of time reading the LandlordTODAY website. But if she did, she might have seen this article, written earlier this year, highlighting complaints about licensing schemes like the one that has got the chancellor into difficulties. It says:

    Phil Turtle, a compliance consultant at Landlord Licensing & Defence, says it is increasingly the case that a missed renewal notice, a buried letter, or a forgotten deadline can cost landlords their financial stability – and even their properties.

    And he believes that selective licensing schemes, enforced with increasing rigour by local councils, are catching landlords off guard with fines that can spiral into the hundreds of thousands.

    “I’ve seen landlords lose everything because they didn’t have a system in place to track compliance. One missed deadline can cost you £105,000, and if you’re operating through a limited company, that fine could double to £210,000.”

    He points to a recent case in the London Borough of Waltham Forest, where a landlord faced a staggering £66,000 in fines for failing to license a single house converted into two flats. “The council hit the landlord’s limited company with £16,500 per flat and then fined him personally as the sole director another £16,500 per flat. That’s £66,000 for a simple oversight – and now he’s forced to sell the property to cover the cost.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/oct/30/rachel-reeves-labour-keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest-news-updates

    Is there a judicial oversight or appeal for fines of this magnitude? If not then that’s wrong
    Or the tale could be wrong. I wouldn't rule that out.
    Indeed. But I think my point stands irrespective of the truth of the underlying story
    Not sure if either of these are the case mentioned, but seems likely there were some issues additional to licensing if the fine was in line with them
    https://newsroom.walthamforest.gov.uk/press-releases/2c3a7480-f56a-463f-bce3-a6fdb1eb7383/two-landlords-given-large-fines-totalling-135-000-for-failing-to-meet-property-licensing-requirements
    Yes they were not government ministers
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,124
    edited October 30
    malcolmg said:

    Reeves was aware she needed a licence, but never paid for one

    Whatever the estate agent has said, it remains the landlord's responsibility

    A diligent person would have double-checked

    The Chancellor ought to be the epitome of diligence

    I never called for her to lose her job, and never really expected her to

    I strongly contested, and continue to contest, the ludicrous notion the she could somehow be unaware of a policy that she had been campaigning in favour of for over eighteen months, before it affected her personally

    It is a white wash for sure
    Nonsense. I'd have said almost certainly not. Too messy.

    But if you think so I'll bet one of my lovely shining English pounds against your equivalent 4.56million Scottish groats that you can't prove your assertion.

    :)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,622
    Emmanuel Macron’s popularity has dropped to the lowest level of any French president in the Fifth Republic, according to a poll released on Thursday.

    Just 11 per cent of the French public approve of the embattled 47-year-old centrist, according to the Verian poll for Le Figaro Magazine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/10/30/emmanuel-macron-most-unpopular-french-president-in-70-years/
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,587
    edited October 30
    Scott_xP said:

    BREAKING - The King has taken further action on Prince Andrew and moved to formally strip all his titles. The former Duke of York will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and will leave Royal Lodge. “These censures are deemed necessary.”

    https://x.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1983974175589945497

    Last paragraph's a banger.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,407
    edited October 30
    Scott_xP said:

    BREAKING - The King has taken further action on Prince Andrew and moved to formally strip all his titles. The former Duke of York will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and will leave Royal Lodge. “These censures are deemed necessary.”

    https://x.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1983974175589945497

    Or the artist formerly known as Prince. I thank you ( unless someone has beaten me to it).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,802
    Evening All.

    I expect this has already been posted:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 32% (=)
    GRN: 17% (+2)
    CON: 16% (-1)
    LAB: 16% (=)
    LDM: 12% (=)
    SNP: 2% (=)

    Via @findoutnow.bsky.social, 29 Oct.
    Changes w/ 22 Oct.

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3m4ge5jfgkc2x

    😂😂😂🍿🍿🍿🥂🥂🥂
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,138
    From the information now released, it seems quite plausible that Reeves was unaware of the licence requirements. Being rather busy, it looks like she'd left this particular bit of business up to her husband.

    So, the real moral of the story is: check your other half's homework.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,704
    carnforth said:

    Scott_xP said:

    BREAKING - The King has taken further action on Prince Andrew and moved to formally strip all his titles. The former Duke of York will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and will leave Royal Lodge. “These censures are deemed necessary.”

    https://x.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1983974175589945497

    Last paragraph's a banger.
    The use of notwithstanding tells us everything we need to know - the King and William know he's a lying twat who is guilty but you have to let him pretend otherwise..
  • eekeek Posts: 31,704

    Scott_xP said:

    BREAKING - The King has taken further action on Prince Andrew and moved to formally strip all his titles. The former Duke of York will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and will leave Royal Lodge. “These censures are deemed necessary.”

    https://x.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1983974175589945497

    Or the artist formerly known as Prince. I thank you ( unless someone has beaten me to it).
    Sunil did that last week...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,802

    Emmanuel Macron’s popularity has dropped to the lowest level of any French president in the Fifth Republic, according to a poll released on Thursday.

    Just 11 per cent of the French public approve of the embattled 47-year-old centrist, according to the Verian poll for Le Figaro Magazine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/10/30/emmanuel-macron-most-unpopular-french-president-in-70-years/

    Starmer says, "Hold my pint"...
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,392
    edited October 30
    eek said:

    carnforth said:

    Scott_xP said:

    BREAKING - The King has taken further action on Prince Andrew and moved to formally strip all his titles. The former Duke of York will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and will leave Royal Lodge. “These censures are deemed necessary.”

    https://x.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1983974175589945497

    Last paragraph's a banger.
    The use of notwithstanding tells us everything we need to know - the King and William know he's a lying twat who is guilty but you have to let him pretend otherwise..
    Beautifully done. Thrown in as an aside to make it clear they think it is a lie, followed up with a devastating riposte.
  • kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    Comedy gold on the Daily Mail comments pages who are having a meltdown over the estate agents apology to Reeves .

    What on earth are you doing wandering into there. That's way beyond the call of duty.
    One should always check the comments section of the Daily Mail if one enjoys a good laugh.

    There's an interesting question here, though. Does the Mail try to keep this story going tomorrow, or pretend it never happened?
    I go to unHerd for that. Yes, let's see how the Mail etc plot their way out. And Kemi for that matter. The same tack for both, I guess.
    We can be pretty sure both will major on the Royal story tomorrow.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,148
    You know, if I didn't know better, I'd think TSE had a bit of an obsession with the monarchy.

    What is it that Churchill said about fanatics?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,250

    Does Andy remain in the line of succession if he is striped of his title?

    He hasn't been stripped of his genetic material though.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,636

    From the information now released, it seems quite plausible that Reeves was unaware of the licence requirements. Being rather busy, it looks like she'd left this particular bit of business up to her husband.

    So, the real moral of the story is: check your other half's homework.

    Stoney cold silence over the Findus pancakes and peas at the Reeves' household dinner table tonight?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,407
    Foxy said:

    Evening All.

    I expect this has already been posted:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 32% (=)
    GRN: 17% (+2)
    CON: 16% (-1)
    LAB: 16% (=)
    LDM: 12% (=)
    SNP: 2% (=)

    Via @findoutnow.bsky.social, 29 Oct.
    Changes w/ 22 Oct.

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3m4ge5jfgkc2x

    😂😂😂🍿🍿🍿🥂🥂🥂

    Even with FoN, Reform, despite both a Labour and Conservative collapse seem to be stuck in the 30 zone.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,175
    edited October 30
    62% for the monarchy is still a landslide and I expect Buckingham Palace will be relieved with those Yougov numbers after the furore in the media over Andrew. Clear majorities for keeping the monarchy in all the main UK parties, only Green voters mainly republicans. 4% still with a favourable view of Andrew too
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,148
    isam said:

    John Rentoul

    If Reeves stays, why did Rayner go?

    Rachel Reeves is still chancellor after making an “inadvertent mistake” in failing to apply for a licence to let her family home in south London.

    A brief excitement swept through Westminster this afternoon when No 10 said emails between the chancellor’s husband and the letting agent had “come to light”. They had not been published when this newsletter went out, but the lettings agency said it had apologised to Reeves for an “oversight” in not applying for a licence.

    But Angela Rayner is no longer deputy prime minister after making a “mistake” in which she “acted with integrity”, according to the adviser on ministerial interests, in failing to pay the required amount of stamp duty on a property purchase.

    The amounts of money involved may be similar, in that Reeves’s error may cost her not just the £945 for a licence but a year’s rent of £38,000 as well. Rayner is repaying an estimated £40,000 in additional stamp duty.

    I have commented that it is hard to see the difference in principle between the two cases – and I speculate that the real difference is that Keir Starmer was content to see Rayner go but desperate to keep Reeves, an ally who is not a threat to his position, in place.

    Licenses for single family residence rentals are basically automatically granted, so -in terms of scale- it's not really comparable.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,250
    Scott_xP said:

    @VinnyMcAv

    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.

    Just rejoice at that news...
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,869
    edited October 30
    Evening, PB.

    What a poll for the Greens, quite historic it seems to be. I didn't expect the Greens to be showing up ahead of Labour, the Tories, and the Lib Dems on any poll this soon, regardless of the methodology.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,175
    nico67 said:

    Doesn’t the Commons need to legislate to officially remove Andrew’s titles ?

    Yes and unless they remove him from the line of succession too a bit pointless to only remove his Prince title
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,407
    edited October 30

    Scott_xP said:

    @VinnyMcAv

    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.

    Just rejoice at that news...
    Sign O' the Times?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,717
    The arsehole formerly known as Prince.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,863
    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @VinnyMcAv
    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.

    Wow.
    If The Crown was correct
    That seems vanishingly unlikely, tbh.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,936
    Foxy said:

    Emmanuel Macron’s popularity has dropped to the lowest level of any French president in the Fifth Republic, according to a poll released on Thursday.

    Just 11 per cent of the French public approve of the embattled 47-year-old centrist, according to the Verian poll for Le Figaro Magazine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/10/30/emmanuel-macron-most-unpopular-french-president-in-70-years/

    Starmer says, "Hold my pint"...
    Is Starmer eligible for the French presidency?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,719
    “These decisions have been the King’s, given the serious lapses of judgment which his brother has shown.” Andrew will move to a private property at Sandringham, funded by Charles. Sarah Ferguson will make her own arrangements. Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie retain their titles.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,251
    " These censures are deemed necessary, notwithstanding the fact that he continues to deny the allegations against him."

    Imagine what they might have to do if those allegations were proven true and/or he accepted them.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,588
    rcs1000 said:

    You know, if I didn't know better, I'd think TSE had a bit of an obsession with the monarchy.

    What is it that Churchill said about fanatics?

    Was it that they are absolutely no match for the Barmy Army?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,636
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    John Rentoul

    If Reeves stays, why did Rayner go?

    Rachel Reeves is still chancellor after making an “inadvertent mistake” in failing to apply for a licence to let her family home in south London.

    A brief excitement swept through Westminster this afternoon when No 10 said emails between the chancellor’s husband and the letting agent had “come to light”. They had not been published when this newsletter went out, but the lettings agency said it had apologised to Reeves for an “oversight” in not applying for a licence.

    But Angela Rayner is no longer deputy prime minister after making a “mistake” in which she “acted with integrity”, according to the adviser on ministerial interests, in failing to pay the required amount of stamp duty on a property purchase.

    The amounts of money involved may be similar, in that Reeves’s error may cost her not just the £945 for a licence but a year’s rent of £38,000 as well. Rayner is repaying an estimated £40,000 in additional stamp duty.

    I have commented that it is hard to see the difference in principle between the two cases – and I speculate that the real difference is that Keir Starmer was content to see Rayner go but desperate to keep Reeves, an ally who is not a threat to his position, in place.

    Licenses for single family residence rentals are basically automatically granted, so -in terms of scale- it's not really comparable.
    The massive difference is Ange needs a few month is the sin bin to clear her copy book for a run at leadership.

    That's not a problem Reeves has.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,863

    Does Andy remain in the line of succession if he is striped of his title?

    He hasn't been stripped of his genetic material though.
    If he'd kept hold of his genetic material he'd still be a Prince.
    He’s definitely semen stained.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,445
    Scott_xP said:

    BREAKING - The King has taken further action on Prince Andrew and moved to formally strip all his titles. The former Duke of York will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and will leave Royal Lodge. “These censures are deemed necessary.”

    https://x.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1983974175589945497

    Don't. F**k. With. The. King.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,717
    Scott_xP said:

    “These decisions have been the King’s, given the serious lapses of judgment which his brother has shown.” Andrew will move to a private property at Sandringham, funded by Charles. Sarah Ferguson will make her own arrangements. Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie retain their titles.

    So Andrew is being housed at His Majesty's Pleasure.

    If only.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,125

    Roger said:

    OT. Paul Allen's house on Cap Ferrat was recently sold to an American hedge fund manager Izzy Englander following his death. It's rumoured to have cost its new owner 105 million Euros. That's exactly the same price paid by Liverpool for Alexander Izak

    https://www.craincurrency.com/art-collectibles-and-property-management/billionaire-izzy-englander-buys-paul-allens-iconic-french

    Do you ever get anything right

    Izak cost Liverpool 125 million pounds or 142 million euros
    And he was worth precisely £1 of that
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,863

    " These censures are deemed necessary, notwithstanding the fact that he continues to deny the allegations against him."

    Imagine what they might have to do if those allegations were proven true and/or he accepted them.

    He would become a full time guest of Charles in a large and prestigious establishment. Probably in Stafford.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,863
    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    BREAKING - The King has taken further action on Prince Andrew and moved to formally strip all his titles. The former Duke of York will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and will leave Royal Lodge. “These censures are deemed necessary.”

    https://x.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1983974175589945497

    Don't. F**k. With. The. King.
    If only Diana had taken that advice…
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,124
    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    BREAKING - The King has taken further action on Prince Andrew and moved to formally strip all his titles. The former Duke of York will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and will leave Royal Lodge. “These censures are deemed necessary.”

    https://x.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1983974175589945497

    Don't. F**k. With. The. King.
    Trump's on it - I'm sure we'll see a re-write of his official family tree soon, God will have been seemingly productive.
  • rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    John Rentoul

    If Reeves stays, why did Rayner go?

    Rachel Reeves is still chancellor after making an “inadvertent mistake” in failing to apply for a licence to let her family home in south London.

    A brief excitement swept through Westminster this afternoon when No 10 said emails between the chancellor’s husband and the letting agent had “come to light”. They had not been published when this newsletter went out, but the lettings agency said it had apologised to Reeves for an “oversight” in not applying for a licence.

    But Angela Rayner is no longer deputy prime minister after making a “mistake” in which she “acted with integrity”, according to the adviser on ministerial interests, in failing to pay the required amount of stamp duty on a property purchase.

    The amounts of money involved may be similar, in that Reeves’s error may cost her not just the £945 for a licence but a year’s rent of £38,000 as well. Rayner is repaying an estimated £40,000 in additional stamp duty.

    I have commented that it is hard to see the difference in principle between the two cases – and I speculate that the real difference is that Keir Starmer was content to see Rayner go but desperate to keep Reeves, an ally who is not a threat to his position, in place.

    Licenses for single family residence rentals are basically automatically granted, so -in terms of scale- it's not really comparable.
    Do you still think that it was reasonable for her to not know she needed a licence, because you didn't know whether you needed one?

    You weren't campaigning for selective landlord licensing in Jan 2023 were you?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,587
    edited October 30
    I assume Andrew will have been paid off in respect of the lease on the Royal Lodge. To avoid him suing.
  • carnforth said:

    I assume Andrew will have been paid off in respect of the lease on the Royal Lodge. To avoid him suing.

    Ugh.

    Hopefully the King took my advice and threatened to pass a Bill of Attainder against Andrew Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,928

    Scott_xP said:

    @VinnyMcAv

    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.

    Does this make Charles a stripper?
    "Oh Charles don't you ever crave to appear on the front of the Daily Mail dressed in your mother's bridal veil?"
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,802
    Pretty decisive action by the King, albeit following the polling.

    The core motive is to protect the Monarchy, even if that means sending his own brother to Coventry.

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,585
    carnforth said:

    I assume Andrew will have been paid off in respect of the lease on the Royal Lodge. To avoid him suing.

    He owned an asset. Why shouldn’t he be paid market value for it?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,928
    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @VinnyMcAv

    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.

    Wasn't it always 'Randy'
    The Randy, Old Duke of York
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,175
    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Reeves was aware she needed a licence, but never paid for one

    Whatever the estate agent has said, it remains the landlord's responsibility

    A diligent person would have double-checked

    The Chancellor ought to be the epitome of diligence

    I never called for her to lose her job, and never really expected her to

    I strongly contested, and continue to contest, the ludicrous notion the she could somehow be unaware of a policy that she had been campaigning in favour of for over eighteen months, before it affected her personally

    It is a white wash for sure
    Nonsense. I'd have said almost certainly not. Too messy.

    But if you think so I'll bet one of my lovely shining English pounds against your equivalent 4.56million Scottish groats that you can't prove your assertion.

    :)
    :D:D>:)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,719
    New Trump 2028 campaign slogan just dropped.

    JD Vance: "The suffering is going to get a lot worse."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m4gorvwuyy2d
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,250
    Taz said:
    Unsurprising.

    Andrew only fucked ladies under dubious circumstances.

    Labour has fucked everybody.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,585
    Foxy said:

    Pretty decisive action by the King, albeit following the polling.

    The core motive is to protect the Monarchy, even if that means sending his own brother to Coventry.

    Technically Norfolk…
  • Scott_xP said:

    @VinnyMcAv

    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.

    Just rejoice at that news...
    Sign O' the Times?
    Are you coming clean, or do you need shopping?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,928

    Evening, PB.

    What a poll for the Greens, quite historic it seems to be. I didn't expect the Greens to be showing up ahead of Labour, the Tories, and the Lib Dems on any poll this soon, regardless of the methodology.

    Is this the first time they've ever been in second place in a UK VI? Must be surely
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,124
    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Reeves was aware she needed a licence, but never paid for one

    Whatever the estate agent has said, it remains the landlord's responsibility

    A diligent person would have double-checked

    The Chancellor ought to be the epitome of diligence

    I never called for her to lose her job, and never really expected her to

    I strongly contested, and continue to contest, the ludicrous notion the she could somehow be unaware of a policy that she had been campaigning in favour of for over eighteen months, before it affected her personally

    It is a white wash for sure
    Nonsense. I'd have said almost certainly not. Too messy.

    But if you think so I'll bet one of my lovely shining English pounds against your equivalent 4.56million Scottish groats that you can't prove your assertion.

    :)
    :D:D>:)
    I do think the first bit's right though.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,250
    Scott_xP said:

    New Trump 2028 campaign slogan just dropped.

    JD Vance: "The suffering is going to get a lot worse."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m4gorvwuyy2d

    "The suffering is going to get a lot worse....and it's Biden's fault."
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,175
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    John Rentoul

    If Reeves stays, why did Rayner go?

    Rachel Reeves is still chancellor after making an “inadvertent mistake” in failing to apply for a licence to let her family home in south London.

    A brief excitement swept through Westminster this afternoon when No 10 said emails between the chancellor’s husband and the letting agent had “come to light”. They had not been published when this newsletter went out, but the lettings agency said it had apologised to Reeves for an “oversight” in not applying for a licence.

    But Angela Rayner is no longer deputy prime minister after making a “mistake” in which she “acted with integrity”, according to the adviser on ministerial interests, in failing to pay the required amount of stamp duty on a property purchase.

    The amounts of money involved may be similar, in that Reeves’s error may cost her not just the £945 for a licence but a year’s rent of £38,000 as well. Rayner is repaying an estimated £40,000 in additional stamp duty.

    I have commented that it is hard to see the difference in principle between the two cases – and I speculate that the real difference is that Keir Starmer was content to see Rayner go but desperate to keep Reeves, an ally who is not a threat to his position, in place.

    Licenses for single family residence rentals are basically automatically granted, so -in terms of scale- it's not really comparable.
    He knifed Rayner yet blesses the sainted Reeves
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,175

    From the information now released, it seems quite plausible that Reeves was unaware of the licence requirements. Being rather busy, it looks like she'd left this particular bit of business up to her husband.

    So, the real moral of the story is: check your other half's homework.

    Stoney cold silence over the Findus pancakes and peas at the Reeves' household dinner table tonight?
    He will be a certainty for taking the rap of thick husband for her.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,636
    isam said:

    Evening, PB.

    What a poll for the Greens, quite historic it seems to be. I didn't expect the Greens to be showing up ahead of Labour, the Tories, and the Lib Dems on any poll this soon, regardless of the methodology.

    Is this the first time they've ever been in second place in a UK VI? Must be surely
    1989 - 14% in Euro elections and third is closest I think?

    Eddy Shah anyone???


  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,250

    carnforth said:

    I assume Andrew will have been paid off in respect of the lease on the Royal Lodge. To avoid him suing.

    He owned an asset. Why shouldn’t he be paid market value for it?
    In peppercorns.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,175
    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Reeves was aware she needed a licence, but never paid for one

    Whatever the estate agent has said, it remains the landlord's responsibility

    A diligent person would have double-checked

    The Chancellor ought to be the epitome of diligence

    I never called for her to lose her job, and never really expected her to

    I strongly contested, and continue to contest, the ludicrous notion the she could somehow be unaware of a policy that she had been campaigning in favour of for over eighteen months, before it affected her personally

    It is a white wash for sure
    Nonsense. I'd have said almost certainly not. Too messy.

    But if you think so I'll bet one of my lovely shining English pounds against your equivalent 4.56million Scottish groats that you can't prove your assertion.

    :)
    :D:D>:)
    I do think the first bit's right though.
    You are a naughty boy
  • eekeek Posts: 31,704
    malcolmg said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    John Rentoul

    If Reeves stays, why did Rayner go?

    Rachel Reeves is still chancellor after making an “inadvertent mistake” in failing to apply for a licence to let her family home in south London.

    A brief excitement swept through Westminster this afternoon when No 10 said emails between the chancellor’s husband and the letting agent had “come to light”. They had not been published when this newsletter went out, but the lettings agency said it had apologised to Reeves for an “oversight” in not applying for a licence.

    But Angela Rayner is no longer deputy prime minister after making a “mistake” in which she “acted with integrity”, according to the adviser on ministerial interests, in failing to pay the required amount of stamp duty on a property purchase.

    The amounts of money involved may be similar, in that Reeves’s error may cost her not just the £945 for a licence but a year’s rent of £38,000 as well. Rayner is repaying an estimated £40,000 in additional stamp duty.

    I have commented that it is hard to see the difference in principle between the two cases – and I speculate that the real difference is that Keir Starmer was content to see Rayner go but desperate to keep Reeves, an ally who is not a threat to his position, in place.

    Licenses for single family residence rentals are basically automatically granted, so -in terms of scale- it's not really comparable.
    He knifed Rayner yet blesses the sainted Reeves
    Rayner was avoiding paying tax
    Reeves - her husband / letting agent screwed up a small piece of paperwork

    It’s not quite the same
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,432
    Foxy said:

    Pretty decisive action by the King, albeit following the polling.

    The core motive is to protect the Monarchy, even if that means sending his own brother to Coventry.

    Who do we get as the BBC commentator for major royal events now?

    Once the statement was finished, these men then “spurned the said hatchments with their feet out of the quire.” They proceeded to kick Buckingham’s arms and achievements down the full length of the nave, out of the west door and into the ditch beyond. As they were thus expelled, Buckingham was considered fully degraded from the Order of the Garter.

    https://www.stgeorges-windsor.org/degradation-of-a-garter-knight/
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,677
    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @VinnyMcAv

    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.

    Wasn't it always 'Randy'
    The Randy, Old Duke of York
    "The esrtwhile Duke of York..." surely?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,719
    @ProjectLincoln

    Trump probably thinking about how he can pardon Prince Andrew as we speak.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,677
    malcolmg said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    John Rentoul

    If Reeves stays, why did Rayner go?

    Rachel Reeves is still chancellor after making an “inadvertent mistake” in failing to apply for a licence to let her family home in south London.

    A brief excitement swept through Westminster this afternoon when No 10 said emails between the chancellor’s husband and the letting agent had “come to light”. They had not been published when this newsletter went out, but the lettings agency said it had apologised to Reeves for an “oversight” in not applying for a licence.

    But Angela Rayner is no longer deputy prime minister after making a “mistake” in which she “acted with integrity”, according to the adviser on ministerial interests, in failing to pay the required amount of stamp duty on a property purchase.

    The amounts of money involved may be similar, in that Reeves’s error may cost her not just the £945 for a licence but a year’s rent of £38,000 as well. Rayner is repaying an estimated £40,000 in additional stamp duty.

    I have commented that it is hard to see the difference in principle between the two cases – and I speculate that the real difference is that Keir Starmer was content to see Rayner go but desperate to keep Reeves, an ally who is not a threat to his position, in place.

    Licenses for single family residence rentals are basically automatically granted, so -in terms of scale- it's not really comparable.
    He knifed Rayner yet blesses the sainted Reeves
    She's been left in place so she can get you paying your fair share of tax on your Malc.

    Makes sense.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,250

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @VinnyMcAv

    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.

    Wasn't it always 'Randy'
    The Randy, Old Duke of York
    "The esrtwhile Duke of York..." surely?
    The Former Duke formerly known as The Duke of York.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,802

    Foxy said:

    Pretty decisive action by the King, albeit following the polling.

    The core motive is to protect the Monarchy, even if that means sending his own brother to Coventry.

    Who do we get as the BBC commentator for major royal events now?

    Once the statement was finished, these men then “spurned the said hatchments with their feet out of the quire.” They proceeded to kick Buckingham’s arms and achievements down the full length of the nave, out of the west door and into the ditch beyond. As they were thus expelled, Buckingham was considered fully degraded from the Order of the Garter.

    https://www.stgeorges-windsor.org/degradation-of-a-garter-knight/
    Sounds more fun than most Royal TV. I would watch that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,175
    edited October 30
    'The Trump administration will limit the number of refugees admitted to the US to 7,500 over the next year, and give priority to white South Africans.

    The move, announced in a notice published on Thursday, marks a dramatic cut from the previous limit of 125,000 set by former President Joe Biden and will bring the cap to a record low.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy40jj71243o
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,175
    edited October 30

    Foxy said:

    Pretty decisive action by the King, albeit following the polling.

    The core motive is to protect the Monarchy, even if that means sending his own brother to Coventry.

    Technically Norfolk…
    'It's understood that Prince Andrew will move to a property on the private Sandringham estate in Norfolk.

    It will be privately funded by the King.' So yes
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnveqgj957dt
  • eekeek Posts: 31,704
    edited October 30
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Pretty decisive action by the King, albeit following the polling.

    The core motive is to protect the Monarchy, even if that means sending his own brother to Coventry.

    Technically Norfolk…
    'It's understood that Prince Andrew will move to a property on the private Sandringham estate in Norfolk.

    It will be privately funded by the King.' So yes
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnveqgj957dt
    I have to ask - given that he was supposedly off to Frogmore Cottage last week, what new evidence has turned up that has resulted in Randy being sent to Norfolk never to be seen again and Randy accepting the fact...

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,175
    Foxy said:

    Evening All.

    I expect this has already been posted:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 32% (=)
    GRN: 17% (+2)
    CON: 16% (-1)
    LAB: 16% (=)
    LDM: 12% (=)
    SNP: 2% (=)

    Via @findoutnow.bsky.social, 29 Oct.
    Changes w/ 22 Oct.

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3m4ge5jfgkc2x

    😂😂😂🍿🍿🍿🥂🥂🥂

    FON of course but Reeves needs to do some tax and spend in the budget to reduce the Green total and the Tories need to win back some Reform voters for the normal order to be restored
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,514

    isam said:

    Evening, PB.

    What a poll for the Greens, quite historic it seems to be. I didn't expect the Greens to be showing up ahead of Labour, the Tories, and the Lib Dems on any poll this soon, regardless of the methodology.

    Is this the first time they've ever been in second place in a UK VI? Must be surely
    1989 - 14% in Euro elections and third is closest I think?

    Eddy Shah anyone???

    No not right now, we've got work to do.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,734
    Mounjaro just became the world's best selling drug.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,869
    edited October 30
    isam said:

    Evening, PB.

    What a poll for the Greens, quite historic it seems to be. I didn't expect the Greens to be showing up ahead of Labour, the Tories, and the Lib Dems on any poll this soon, regardless of the methodology.

    Is this the first time they've ever been in second place in a UK VI? Must be surely
    Yes, it must be.

    What a month for their organisation and social media ; showing the older parties how it's done there , too.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,175
    edited October 30
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Pretty decisive action by the King, albeit following the polling.

    The core motive is to protect the Monarchy, even if that means sending his own brother to Coventry.

    Technically Norfolk…
    'It's understood that Prince Andrew will move to a property on the private Sandringham estate in Norfolk.

    It will be privately funded by the King.' So yes
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnveqgj957dt
    I have to ask - given that he was supposedly off to Frogmore Cottage last week, what new evidence has turned up that has resulted in Randy being sent to Norfolk never to be seen again and Randy accepting the fact...

    It is not a Crown Estate property, so much less of a media hoo hah over him being sent there.

    I am sure Fergie can be found a flat in King's Lynn not too far away above a Lidl
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,250
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Pretty decisive action by the King, albeit following the polling.

    The core motive is to protect the Monarchy, even if that means sending his own brother to Coventry.

    Technically Norfolk…
    'It's understood that Prince Andrew will move to a property on the private Sandringham estate in Norfolk.

    It will be privately funded by the King.' So yes
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnveqgj957dt
    I have to ask - given that he was supposedly off to Frogmore Cottage last week, what new evidence has turned up that has resulted in Randy being sent to Norfolk never to be seen again and Randy accepting the fact...

    MI6 have the contents of Epstein's safe?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,319
    As he's moving to Norfolk he could be addressed as the Dork of Nork
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,251
    Nigelb said:

    Mounjaro just became the world's best selling drug.

    Quite the statement about the human race as a whole.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,704

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Pretty decisive action by the King, albeit following the polling.

    The core motive is to protect the Monarchy, even if that means sending his own brother to Coventry.

    Technically Norfolk…
    'It's understood that Prince Andrew will move to a property on the private Sandringham estate in Norfolk.

    It will be privately funded by the King.' So yes
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnveqgj957dt
    I have to ask - given that he was supposedly off to Frogmore Cottage last week, what new evidence has turned up that has resulted in Randy being sent to Norfolk never to be seen again and Randy accepting the fact...

    MI6 have the contents of Epstein's safe?
    https://bsky.app/profile/cstross.bsky.social/post/3m4gojoxdtdke

    Mad hypothesis: the US congressional shutdown and labeling "antifa" as terrorists—a witch hunt pretext, because it's not a group with a membership list—is happening because Trump's a paedophile, the files contain hard evidence, and shit's going down in January. ex-Prince Andrew is the UK corollary.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,802
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Evening All.

    I expect this has already been posted:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 32% (=)
    GRN: 17% (+2)
    CON: 16% (-1)
    LAB: 16% (=)
    LDM: 12% (=)
    SNP: 2% (=)

    Via @findoutnow.bsky.social, 29 Oct.
    Changes w/ 22 Oct.

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3m4ge5jfgkc2x

    😂😂😂🍿🍿🍿🥂🥂🥂

    FON of course but Reeves needs to do some tax and spend in the budget to reduce the Green total and the Tories need to win back some Reform voters for the normal order to be restored
    Its a fact that Labour have been shedding far more voters to Greens/PC/ LDs/YP than they have to Ref/Con.

    Voters have somewhere else to go. Why didn't anyone tell them?

    Oh, wait. Some of us did.

    There have been some defections at Council level. I wonder when the MPs start to do so.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,591
    geoffw said:

    As he's moving to Norfolk he could be addressed as the Dork of Nork

    I hear Saint Helena is nice, can't we send him there?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,175
    edited October 30
    Fishing said:

    For me, the most interesting feature of the monarchy polls isn't the party split, it's the ethnic split. In the last one I saw, White British supported retaining the monarchy by 5:1 while Others were evenly split. As the country's ethnic mix changes, we are likely to see support for the monarchy falling gently over the decades.

    I suppose it shows that heritage really matters in shaping attitudes and that, while individuals may escape their past, people en masse often don't.

    Though once the King dies, mixed race Prince Archie will be 5th in line to the throne and mixed race Princess Lilibet 6th in line. We forget both are already higher in line now than Andrew
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,982
    Foxy said:

    Pretty decisive action by the King, albeit following the polling.

    The core motive is to protect the Monarchy, even if that means sending his own brother to Coventry.

    Thought it was Sandringham!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,734

    Nigelb said:

    Mounjaro just became the world's best selling drug.

    Quite the statement about the human race as a whole.
    Actually, it's just getting started.
    The health benefits of the GLP1 drugs extend well beyond obesity.

    And we're genetically programmed to overeat; some more so that others.
    Obesity isn't really a moral failing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,982

    malcolmg said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    John Rentoul

    If Reeves stays, why did Rayner go?

    Rachel Reeves is still chancellor after making an “inadvertent mistake” in failing to apply for a licence to let her family home in south London.

    A brief excitement swept through Westminster this afternoon when No 10 said emails between the chancellor’s husband and the letting agent had “come to light”. They had not been published when this newsletter went out, but the lettings agency said it had apologised to Reeves for an “oversight” in not applying for a licence.

    But Angela Rayner is no longer deputy prime minister after making a “mistake” in which she “acted with integrity”, according to the adviser on ministerial interests, in failing to pay the required amount of stamp duty on a property purchase.

    The amounts of money involved may be similar, in that Reeves’s error may cost her not just the £945 for a licence but a year’s rent of £38,000 as well. Rayner is repaying an estimated £40,000 in additional stamp duty.

    I have commented that it is hard to see the difference in principle between the two cases – and I speculate that the real difference is that Keir Starmer was content to see Rayner go but desperate to keep Reeves, an ally who is not a threat to his position, in place.

    Licenses for single family residence rentals are basically automatically granted, so -in terms of scale- it's not really comparable.
    He knifed Rayner yet blesses the sainted Reeves
    She's been left in place so she can get you paying your fair share of tax on your Malc.

    Makes sense.
    You should hear the rumours about excise tax on cask strength turnip juice.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,855
    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Reeves was aware she needed a licence, but never paid for one

    Whatever the estate agent has said, it remains the landlord's responsibility

    A diligent person would have double-checked

    The Chancellor ought to be the epitome of diligence

    I never called for her to lose her job, and never really expected her to

    I strongly contested, and continue to contest, the ludicrous notion the she could somehow be unaware of a policy that she had been campaigning in favour of for over eighteen months, before it affected her personally

    It is a white wash for sure
    Nonsense. I'd have said almost certainly not. Too messy.

    But if you think so I'll bet one of my lovely shining English pounds against your equivalent 4.56million Scottish groats that you can't prove your assertion.

    :)
    :D:D>:)
    I do think the first bit's right though.
    You are a naughty boy
    And I am the official recipient of the most minor retribution ever conveyed by the poster @malcolmg in the history of PB!

    Damn, that's going to take some beating!
    I once got "bit of a namby pamby".
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,587
    spudgfsh said:

    geoffw said:

    As he's moving to Norfolk he could be addressed as the Dork of Nork

    I hear Saint Helena is nice, can't we send him there?
    We could amend the appropriately named
    "Intercourse with Saint Helena Act 1816".
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,591
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Evening All.

    I expect this has already been posted:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 32% (=)
    GRN: 17% (+2)
    CON: 16% (-1)
    LAB: 16% (=)
    LDM: 12% (=)
    SNP: 2% (=)

    Via @findoutnow.bsky.social, 29 Oct.
    Changes w/ 22 Oct.

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3m4ge5jfgkc2x

    😂😂😂🍿🍿🍿🥂🥂🥂

    FON of course but Reeves needs to do some tax and spend in the budget to reduce the Green total and the Tories need to win back some Reform voters for the normal order to be restored
    Its a fact that Labour have been shedding far more voters to Greens/PC/ LDs/YP than they have to Ref/Con.

    Voters have somewhere else to go. Why didn't anyone tell them?

    Oh, wait. Some of us did.

    There have been some defections at Council level. I wonder when the MPs start to do so.
    There's no imminent election. I'd be surprised if the greens prevented a squeeze as one became closer. Labour can hammer home the 'vote green get reform ' message.

    They could also try being less shite
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,839
    Foxy said:

    Pretty decisive action by the King, albeit following the polling.

    The core motive is to protect the Monarchy, even if that means sending his own brother to Coventry.

    No real surprise. They were pretty ruthless about Edward VIII and his wife. As was the late Queen with Margaret when divorce was seen as a no-no
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,802
    Nigelb said:

    Mounjaro just became the world's best selling drug.

    Is that in earnings or volume?

    If the former then due to the recent Trump induced price rise.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,734
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Mounjaro just became the world's best selling drug.

    Is that in earnings or volume?

    If the former then due to the recent Trump induced price rise.
    Earnings, for now.
    In due course it might well be the latter.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,587
    edited October 30
    Napoleon's living expenses were £19000pa which is £1.6m in today's money. Not sure Andrew could cope. There is a passing resemblance though:


  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,440
    carnforth said:

    spudgfsh said:

    geoffw said:

    As he's moving to Norfolk he could be addressed as the Dork of Nork

    I hear Saint Helena is nice, can't we send him there?
    We could amend the appropriately named
    "Intercourse with Saint Helena Act 1816".
    How about Nauru? I hear there's a place there for unwanted foreigners.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,585
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Pretty decisive action by the King, albeit following the polling.

    The core motive is to protect the Monarchy, even if that means sending his own brother to Coventry.

    Technically Norfolk…
    'It's understood that Prince Andrew will move to a property on the private Sandringham estate in Norfolk.

    It will be privately funded by the King.' So yes
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnveqgj957dt
    FFS @HYUFD we all know where Sandringham is!

    It was a joke on @Foxy saying Andrew was being sent to Coventry. Which, for the avoidance of doubt, is not in Norfolk
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,855

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @VinnyMcAv

    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.

    Wasn't it always 'Randy'
    The Randy, Old Duke of York
    "The esrtwhile Duke of York..." surely?
    He will be feeling very hard done by. It'd be a risk but I think he should consider a prime time tv interview to put his side of things. Perhaps with Victoria Derbyshire.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 238
    Can anyone confirm if parliament need to pass an act to revoke Andrew M-W's titles of Duke of York, Earl of Inverness etc? Assuming this would sail through on the King's advice
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