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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,622
    edited October 30
    Gareth Martin, the owner of the agency, said that an employee who had offered to apply for a licence on behalf of Ms Reeves resigned before the tenancy began, and the company did not pick it up.

    Mr Martin, owner of Harvey & Wheeler, said: “We alert all our clients to the need for a licence. In an effort to be helpful our previous property manager offered to apply for a licence on these clients’ behalf, as shown in the correspondence. That property manager suddenly resigned on the Friday before the tenancy began on the following Monday.

    “Unfortunately, the lack of application was not picked up by us as we do not normally apply for licences on behalf of our clients; the onus is on them to apply. We have apologised to the owners for this oversight.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/30/politics-latest-news-rachel-reeves-rent-house-budget-tories/

    That isn't quite the story Reeves told last night. She said never been told any about this licensing stuff. Now it is we were told, said go and organise it and left it at that. Sure she is still safe though.

    Good job she doesn't have a job that requires very careful consideration of complex laws in minute detail.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,570
    The BBC running a hit piece on Reeves even after she’s been exonerated and then add on a lukewarm bit which clears her at the end .
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,553
    edited October 30

    Gareth Martin, the owner of the agency, said that an employee who had offered to apply for a licence on behalf of Ms Reeves resigned before the tenancy began, and the company did not pick it up.

    Mr Martin, owner of Harvey & Wheeler, said: “We alert all our clients to the need for a licence. In an effort to be helpful our previous property manager offered to apply for a licence on these clients’ behalf, as shown in the correspondence. That property manager suddenly resigned on the Friday before the tenancy began on the following Monday.

    “Unfortunately, the lack of application was not picked up by us as we do not normally apply for licences on behalf of our clients; the onus is on them to apply. We have apologised to the owners for this oversight.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/30/politics-latest-news-rachel-reeves-rent-house-budget-tories/

    That isn't quite the story Reeves told last night. She said never been told about this licensing stuff. Sure she is still safe though.

    Called it.

    I said she was fine because in the engagement letter as a landlord you ask the lettings agency what licences/certificates you need, and if they replied with the wrong info then she didn't know about it.
  • Gareth Martin, the owner of the agency, said that an employee who had offered to apply for a licence on behalf of Ms Reeves resigned before the tenancy began, and the company did not pick it up.

    Mr Martin, owner of Harvey & Wheeler, said: “We alert all our clients to the need for a licence. In an effort to be helpful our previous property manager offered to apply for a licence on these clients’ behalf, as shown in the correspondence. That property manager suddenly resigned on the Friday before the tenancy began on the following Monday.

    “Unfortunately, the lack of application was not picked up by us as we do not normally apply for licences on behalf of our clients; the onus is on them to apply. We have apologised to the owners for this oversight.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/30/politics-latest-news-rachel-reeves-rent-house-budget-tories/

    That isn't quite the story Reeves told last night. She said never been told any about this licensing stuff. Now it we were told, said go and organise it and left it at that. Sure she is still safe though.

    The correspondence includes the fees and payments
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,553
    edited October 30
    Anyhoo, Kemi Badenoch has embarrassed herself, she needs to stop shooting her mouth off, patience is a virtue, leave it to somebody like the party chairman to deal with it.

    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1983936008686112792
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,805

    Dopermean said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Fishing said:

    For me, the most interesting feature of the monarchy polls isn't the party split, it's the ethnic split. In the last one I saw, White British supported retaining the monarchy by 5:1 while Others were evenly split. As the country's ethnic mix changes, we are likely to see support for the monarchy falling gently over the decades.

    I suppose it shows that heritage really matters in shaping attitudes and that, while individuals may escape their past, people en masse often don't.

    Nah, they’ve seen how the Royals treated a non white member of the family.
    Meghan is pretty ghastly, with all the entitlement of an American multimillionaire.
    Can't quite see how she merits "ghastly".
    The big takeaway from that poll is the influence that the media, particularly in this case Murdoch press, have on public opinion, with Harry and Meghan having a negative rating 2/3 of that of someone who paid £12m to someone who accused him of rape.

    The only compelling reason to keep the Monarch is that the UK electorate would vote in someone far worse.
    King Nige has a certain horrible inevitability about it...
    You know what, I think he'd actually be pretty good at that, and somewhat more harmless than him being PM. He'd also presumably be less racist than Prince Philip.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,588

    Gareth Martin, the owner of the agency, said that an employee who had offered to apply for a licence on behalf of Ms Reeves resigned before the tenancy began, and the company did not pick it up.

    Mr Martin, owner of Harvey & Wheeler, said: “We alert all our clients to the need for a licence. In an effort to be helpful our previous property manager offered to apply for a licence on these clients’ behalf, as shown in the correspondence. That property manager suddenly resigned on the Friday before the tenancy began on the following Monday.

    “Unfortunately, the lack of application was not picked up by us as we do not normally apply for licences on behalf of our clients; the onus is on them to apply. We have apologised to the owners for this oversight.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/30/politics-latest-news-rachel-reeves-rent-house-budget-tories/

    That isn't quite the story Reeves told last night. She said never been told about this licensing stuff. Sure she is still safe though.

    I'll be in a minority but to me it doesn't really help her. One thing that grates is she is coming up to a defining Budget, and fighting to keep her job, yet couldn't find this email or remember it ahead of providing the info to the ethics advisor. Either spectacular incompetence, or spectacular arrogance. But her arse is now covered and we move on.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,432

    Gareth Martin, the owner of the agency, said that an employee who had offered to apply for a licence on behalf of Ms Reeves resigned before the tenancy began, and the company did not pick it up.

    Mr Martin, owner of Harvey & Wheeler, said: “We alert all our clients to the need for a licence. In an effort to be helpful our previous property manager offered to apply for a licence on these clients’ behalf, as shown in the correspondence. That property manager suddenly resigned on the Friday before the tenancy began on the following Monday.

    “Unfortunately, the lack of application was not picked up by us as we do not normally apply for licences on behalf of our clients; the onus is on them to apply. We have apologised to the owners for this oversight.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/30/politics-latest-news-rachel-reeves-rent-house-budget-tories/

    That isn't quite the story Reeves told last night. She said never been told any about this licensing stuff. Now it is we were told, said go and organise it and left it at that. Sure she is still safe though.

    Good job she doesn't have a job that requires very careful consideration of complex laws in minute detail.

    Pretty sure that even Kemi would struggle to make that one stick. And we all know that Kemi never gaffes, because she told us so.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,521
    Fishing said:

    For me, the most interesting feature of the monarchy polls isn't the party split, it's the ethnic split. In the last one I saw, White British supported retaining the monarchy by 5:1 while Others were evenly split. As the country's ethnic mix changes, we are likely to see support for the monarchy falling gently over the decades.

    I suppose it shows that heritage really matters in shaping attitudes and that, while individuals may escape their past, people en masse often don't.

    Do you have a link to that data?

    I'd be surprised if White British support was as high as 5:1, but I could be wrong.

    We'd also need to control for age, as young people tend to be more sceptical of monarchy but become more nuanced with age.

    Starmer is one.
  • Roger said:

    Eabhal said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 32% (-)
    🟢 Greens: 17% (+2)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-1)
    🔴 Labour: 16% (-)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 12% (-)

    Changes from 22nd October
    [Find Out Now, 29th October, N=3,065]

    https://x.com/FindoutnowUK/status/1983928827643388058

    Greenie Meanies with serious Maomentum.

    Wowsa. How'd I miss this.
    No one takes FON seriously. Pity now I've become a Zack backer.

    But I look forward to the next poll by a serious pollster
    Are you questioning FON, a member of the BPC ?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,409

    I would have made a truly great spin doctor, if not the greatest spin doctor ever.

    Idiot!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,622
    edited October 30

    Anyhoo, Kemi Badenoch has embarrassed herself, she needs to stop shooting her mouth off, patience is a virtue, leave it to somebody like the party chairman to deal with it.

    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1983936008686112792

    Somebody needs to take her twitter account from her. As somebody once said, too many tweets make a ....
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,570
    Comedy gold on the Daily Mail comments pages who are having a meltdown over the estate agents apology to Reeves .
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,409
    boulay said:

    MaxPB said:

    I would have made a truly great spin doctor, if not the greatest spin doctor ever.

    I know you're trolling about the monarchy and republicanism but give it a rest, it's just boring now. We get it you don't like the royals.
    If we all stopped posting repetitively about people and ideas we don't like, what would we do all day?
    Break down Radiohead songs in minute detail?
    Who or what are Radiohead?
    Very much known for their seminal album “The Bends” below.


    Is that the Donald?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,928
    John Rentoul

    If Reeves stays, why did Rayner go?

    Rachel Reeves is still chancellor after making an “inadvertent mistake” in failing to apply for a licence to let her family home in south London.

    A brief excitement swept through Westminster this afternoon when No 10 said emails between the chancellor’s husband and the letting agent had “come to light”. They had not been published when this newsletter went out, but the lettings agency said it had apologised to Reeves for an “oversight” in not applying for a licence.

    But Angela Rayner is no longer deputy prime minister after making a “mistake” in which she “acted with integrity”, according to the adviser on ministerial interests, in failing to pay the required amount of stamp duty on a property purchase.

    The amounts of money involved may be similar, in that Reeves’s error may cost her not just the £945 for a licence but a year’s rent of £38,000 as well. Rayner is repaying an estimated £40,000 in additional stamp duty.

    I have commented that it is hard to see the difference in principle between the two cases – and I speculate that the real difference is that Keir Starmer was content to see Rayner go but desperate to keep Reeves, an ally who is not a threat to his position, in place.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,734

    Rachel Reeves probably does not spend a lot of time reading the LandlordTODAY website. But if she did, she might have seen this article, written earlier this year, highlighting complaints about licensing schemes like the one that has got the chancellor into difficulties. It says:

    Phil Turtle, a compliance consultant at Landlord Licensing & Defence, says it is increasingly the case that a missed renewal notice, a buried letter, or a forgotten deadline can cost landlords their financial stability – and even their properties.

    And he believes that selective licensing schemes, enforced with increasing rigour by local councils, are catching landlords off guard with fines that can spiral into the hundreds of thousands.

    “I’ve seen landlords lose everything because they didn’t have a system in place to track compliance. One missed deadline can cost you £105,000, and if you’re operating through a limited company, that fine could double to £210,000.”

    He points to a recent case in the London Borough of Waltham Forest, where a landlord faced a staggering £66,000 in fines for failing to license a single house converted into two flats. “The council hit the landlord’s limited company with £16,500 per flat and then fined him personally as the sole director another £16,500 per flat. That’s £66,000 for a simple oversight – and now he’s forced to sell the property to cover the cost.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/oct/30/rachel-reeves-labour-keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest-news-updates

    If that was genuinely a simple oversight, then that is disgraceful.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,409

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 32% (-)
    🟢 Greens: 17% (+2)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-1)
    🔴 Labour: 16% (-)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 12% (-)

    Changes from 22nd October
    [Find Out Now, 29th October, N=3,065]

    https://x.com/FindoutnowUK/status/1983928827643388058

    Greenie Meanies with serious Maomentum.

    Broken, sleazy Tories on the slide!
  • Reeves was aware she needed a licence, but never paid for one

    Whatever the estate agent has said, it remains the landlord's responsibility

    A diligent person would have double-checked

    The Chancellor ought to be the epitome of diligence

    I never called for her to lose her job, and never really expected her to

    I strongly contested, and continue to contest, the ludicrous notion the she could somehow be unaware of a policy that she had been campaigning in favour of for over eighteen months, before it affected her personally
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,409
    MaxPB said:

    I would have made a truly great spin doctor, if not the greatest spin doctor ever.

    I know you're trolling about the monarchy and republicanism but give it a rest, it's just boring now. We get it you don't like the royals.
    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
  • Yesterday Reeves said in her letter to Starmer she didn't know she needed a licence but today's e mails shows she did and asked the letting agent to sort out one

    Confused !!!!!!

  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,316

    Anyhoo, Kemi Badenoch has embarrassed herself, she needs to stop shooting her mouth off, patience is a virtue, leave it to somebody like the party chairman to deal with it.

    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1983936008686112792

    The shine such as it was is definitely coming off. It started to go wrong when she told the country how she got a fellow pupil expelled. In the good old days the Mirror would have set up a vaigrant selling the Big Issue with a sign saying ;

    "I Would Have Had a Future if it Wasn't for Kemi"
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,852
    The Greens would be the official Opposition, on this result, with 52 MP’s, compared to 422 for Reform.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,622
    edited October 30
    isam said:

    John Rentoul

    If Reeves stays, why did Rayner go?

    Rachel Reeves is still chancellor after making an “inadvertent mistake” in failing to apply for a licence to let her family home in south London.

    A brief excitement swept through Westminster this afternoon when No 10 said emails between the chancellor’s husband and the letting agent had “come to light”. They had not been published when this newsletter went out, but the lettings agency said it had apologised to Reeves for an “oversight” in not applying for a licence.

    But Angela Rayner is no longer deputy prime minister after making a “mistake” in which she “acted with integrity”, according to the adviser on ministerial interests, in failing to pay the required amount of stamp duty on a property purchase.

    The amounts of money involved may be similar, in that Reeves’s error may cost her not just the £945 for a licence but a year’s rent of £38,000 as well. Rayner is repaying an estimated £40,000 in additional stamp duty.

    I have commented that it is hard to see the difference in principle between the two cases – and I speculate that the real difference is that Keir Starmer was content to see Rayner go but desperate to keep Reeves, an ally who is not a threat to his position, in place.

    The difference is two fold. One Rayner was avoiding a large amount of tax on her deal (and it was all very stinky around valuations, money taken out of trust funds etc) and secondly she lied, threw the lawyers under the bus, and they immediately turned around and went no no no you don't, you are a bullshitter.

    Reeves has not dodged tax, despite "misrembering" initially, the people she threw under the bus has held their hands up and taken the blame.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,570
    isam said:

    John Rentoul

    If Reeves stays, why did Rayner go?

    Rachel Reeves is still chancellor after making an “inadvertent mistake” in failing to apply for a licence to let her family home in south London.

    A brief excitement swept through Westminster this afternoon when No 10 said emails between the chancellor’s husband and the letting agent had “come to light”. They had not been published when this newsletter went out, but the lettings agency said it had apologised to Reeves for an “oversight” in not applying for a licence.

    But Angela Rayner is no longer deputy prime minister after making a “mistake” in which she “acted with integrity”, according to the adviser on ministerial interests, in failing to pay the required amount of stamp duty on a property purchase.

    The amounts of money involved may be similar, in that Reeves’s error may cost her not just the £945 for a licence but a year’s rent of £38,000 as well. Rayner is repaying an estimated £40,000 in additional stamp duty.

    I have commented that it is hard to see the difference in principle between the two cases – and I speculate that the real difference is that Keir Starmer was content to see Rayner go but desperate to keep Reeves, an ally who is not a threat to his position, in place.

    Rentoul needs to do his research . Southwark council sends a warning letter to get a licence , only if that is ignored will action be taken . I’ve been a huge fan of Rayner but even I had to admit defeat and she couldn’t stay in her job but I hope she will make a return to the cabinet in the future .
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,251

    Gareth Martin, the owner of the agency, said that an employee who had offered to apply for a licence on behalf of Ms Reeves resigned before the tenancy began, and the company did not pick it up.

    Mr Martin, owner of Harvey & Wheeler, said: “We alert all our clients to the need for a licence. In an effort to be helpful our previous property manager offered to apply for a licence on these clients’ behalf, as shown in the correspondence. That property manager suddenly resigned on the Friday before the tenancy began on the following Monday.

    “Unfortunately, the lack of application was not picked up by us as we do not normally apply for licences on behalf of our clients; the onus is on them to apply. We have apologised to the owners for this oversight.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/30/politics-latest-news-rachel-reeves-rent-house-budget-tories/

    That isn't quite the story Reeves told last night. She said never been told any about this licensing stuff. Now it is we were told, said go and organise it and left it at that. Sure she is still safe though.

    Good job she doesn't have a job that requires very careful consideration of complex laws in minute detail.

    The property manager suddenly resigned on the Friday, left the business immediately the same day having agreed to do the licence (that day?), and didn't have a handover with anyone else in the business to say "hey I'm picking something up for the husband of the Chancellor that needs done next week".

    Well, if nothing else, bit of an internal shitshow. Did the company check if there was any other important stuff this person who exited was supposed to be picking up or did that fall through the cracks too?
  • TresTres Posts: 3,164
    MaxPB said:

    I would have made a truly great spin doctor, if not the greatest spin doctor ever.

    I know you're trolling about the monarchy and republicanism but give it a rest, it's just boring now. We get it you don't like the royals.
    We get it you don't like muslims.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,037
    Always a bit of a storm in a teacup. There was never any real benefit to Reeves in getting away without a licence.
  • Dopermean said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Fishing said:

    For me, the most interesting feature of the monarchy polls isn't the party split, it's the ethnic split. In the last one I saw, White British supported retaining the monarchy by 5:1 while Others were evenly split. As the country's ethnic mix changes, we are likely to see support for the monarchy falling gently over the decades.

    I suppose it shows that heritage really matters in shaping attitudes and that, while individuals may escape their past, people en masse often don't.

    Nah, they’ve seen how the Royals treated a non white member of the family.
    Meghan is pretty ghastly, with all the entitlement of an American multimillionaire.
    Can't quite see how she merits "ghastly".
    The big takeaway from that poll is the influence that the media, particularly in this case Murdoch press, have on public opinion, with Harry and Meghan having a negative rating 2/3 of that of someone who paid £12m to someone who accused him of rape.

    The only compelling reason to keep the Monarch is that the UK electorate would vote in someone far worse.
    Meghan and Harry were booed at the LA Dodgers game this week. Presumably, the Murdoch press are not to blame for their unpopularity over there too?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,585

    Andrew is beyond redemption but the Royal Family not at present though they are certainly not as popular as the late Queen

    And on Reeves this from the Guardian

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/oct/30/rachel-reeves-labour-keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest-news-updates?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    That seems like Reeves acted in good faith.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,704

    Always a bit of a storm in a teacup. There was never any real benefit to Reeves in getting away without a licence.

    She wasn’t trying to - but everyone loves a conspiracy when it’s often just a screw up
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,432

    isam said:

    John Rentoul

    If Reeves stays, why did Rayner go?

    Rachel Reeves is still chancellor after making an “inadvertent mistake” in failing to apply for a licence to let her family home in south London.

    A brief excitement swept through Westminster this afternoon when No 10 said emails between the chancellor’s husband and the letting agent had “come to light”. They had not been published when this newsletter went out, but the lettings agency said it had apologised to Reeves for an “oversight” in not applying for a licence.

    But Angela Rayner is no longer deputy prime minister after making a “mistake” in which she “acted with integrity”, according to the adviser on ministerial interests, in failing to pay the required amount of stamp duty on a property purchase.

    The amounts of money involved may be similar, in that Reeves’s error may cost her not just the £945 for a licence but a year’s rent of £38,000 as well. Rayner is repaying an estimated £40,000 in additional stamp duty.

    I have commented that it is hard to see the difference in principle between the two cases – and I speculate that the real difference is that Keir Starmer was content to see Rayner go but desperate to keep Reeves, an ally who is not a threat to his position, in place.

    The difference is two fold. One Rayner was avoiding a large amount of tax on her deal (and it was all very stinky around valuations, money taken out of trust funds etc) and secondly she lied, threw the lawyers under the bus, and they immediately turned around and went no no no you don't, you are a bullshitter.

    Reeves has not dodged tax, despite "misrembering" initially, the people she threw under the bus has held their hands up and taken the blame.
    Besides, the bottom line is that Sir Laurie Magnus judged that Rayner needed to go and that Reeves didn't.

    If you think the PM's ethical adviser is behaving unethically, that's a big claim you are making. Hope there is some big evidence to go with it.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,570
    edited October 30
    I see the Tories are continuing to flog a dead horse . It’s irrelevant now what Reeves said yesterday . The estate agent apologized and has taken responsibility.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,201

    Dopermean said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Fishing said:

    For me, the most interesting feature of the monarchy polls isn't the party split, it's the ethnic split. In the last one I saw, White British supported retaining the monarchy by 5:1 while Others were evenly split. As the country's ethnic mix changes, we are likely to see support for the monarchy falling gently over the decades.

    I suppose it shows that heritage really matters in shaping attitudes and that, while individuals may escape their past, people en masse often don't.

    Nah, they’ve seen how the Royals treated a non white member of the family.
    Meghan is pretty ghastly, with all the entitlement of an American multimillionaire.
    Can't quite see how she merits "ghastly".
    The big takeaway from that poll is the influence that the media, particularly in this case Murdoch press, have on public opinion, with Harry and Meghan having a negative rating 2/3 of that of someone who paid £12m to someone who accused him of rape.

    The only compelling reason to keep the Monarch is that the UK electorate would vote in someone far worse.
    Meghan and Harry were booed at the LA Dodgers game this week. Presumably, the Murdoch press are not to blame for their unpopularity over there too?
    News Corp isn't a US corporation? Astounding if true. [But I have no idea what, if anything, its newspapers say about Mr and Mrs Sussex.]
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,863

    Sky suggesting the emails may be good news for Reeves and will be published later

    There is no good news for Reeves. It's going to be a costly mistake,

    https://england.shelter.org.uk/professional_resources/legal/housing_conditions/private_sector_enforcement/rent_repayment_orders#offences-for-which-an-rro-can-be-made
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,855
    nico67 said:

    isam said:

    John Rentoul

    If Reeves stays, why did Rayner go?

    Rachel Reeves is still chancellor after making an “inadvertent mistake” in failing to apply for a licence to let her family home in south London.

    A brief excitement swept through Westminster this afternoon when No 10 said emails between the chancellor’s husband and the letting agent had “come to light”. They had not been published when this newsletter went out, but the lettings agency said it had apologised to Reeves for an “oversight” in not applying for a licence.

    But Angela Rayner is no longer deputy prime minister after making a “mistake” in which she “acted with integrity”, according to the adviser on ministerial interests, in failing to pay the required amount of stamp duty on a property purchase.

    The amounts of money involved may be similar, in that Reeves’s error may cost her not just the £945 for a licence but a year’s rent of £38,000 as well. Rayner is repaying an estimated £40,000 in additional stamp duty.

    I have commented that it is hard to see the difference in principle between the two cases – and I speculate that the real difference is that Keir Starmer was content to see Rayner go but desperate to keep Reeves, an ally who is not a threat to his position, in place.

    Rentoul needs to do his research . Southwark council sends a warning letter to get a licence , only if that is ignored will action be taken . I’ve been a huge fan of Rayner but even I had to admit defeat and she couldn’t stay in her job but I hope she will make a return to the cabinet in the future .
    Tbf Rentoul has formidable insight into current Labour politics. Soon as Rayner resigned as DL he knew who would replace her and he called it without hesitation and with great authority. Emily Thornberry.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,585

    Rachel Reeves probably does not spend a lot of time reading the LandlordTODAY website. But if she did, she might have seen this article, written earlier this year, highlighting complaints about licensing schemes like the one that has got the chancellor into difficulties. It says:

    Phil Turtle, a compliance consultant at Landlord Licensing & Defence, says it is increasingly the case that a missed renewal notice, a buried letter, or a forgotten deadline can cost landlords their financial stability – and even their properties.

    And he believes that selective licensing schemes, enforced with increasing rigour by local councils, are catching landlords off guard with fines that can spiral into the hundreds of thousands.

    “I’ve seen landlords lose everything because they didn’t have a system in place to track compliance. One missed deadline can cost you £105,000, and if you’re operating through a limited company, that fine could double to £210,000.”

    He points to a recent case in the London Borough of Waltham Forest, where a landlord faced a staggering £66,000 in fines for failing to license a single house converted into two flats. “The council hit the landlord’s limited company with £16,500 per flat and then fined him personally as the sole director another £16,500 per flat. That’s £66,000 for a simple oversight – and now he’s forced to sell the property to cover the cost.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/oct/30/rachel-reeves-labour-keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest-news-updates

    Is there a judicial oversight or appeal for fines of this magnitude? If not then that’s wrong
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,585

    No. 10 have guaranteed that Reeves will deliver the Budget on 26 Nov

    Checks mortality tables…
  • eekeek Posts: 31,704
    nico67 said:

    I see the Tories are continuing to flog a dead horse . It’s irrelevant now what Reeves said yesterday . The estate agent apologized and has taken responsibility.

    Problem with making a mountain out of a molehill you need to justify why it’s a mountain which means desperate attempts to justify what you said yesterday
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,855

    Rachel Reeves probably does not spend a lot of time reading the LandlordTODAY website. But if she did, she might have seen this article, written earlier this year, highlighting complaints about licensing schemes like the one that has got the chancellor into difficulties. It says:

    Phil Turtle, a compliance consultant at Landlord Licensing & Defence, says it is increasingly the case that a missed renewal notice, a buried letter, or a forgotten deadline can cost landlords their financial stability – and even their properties.

    And he believes that selective licensing schemes, enforced with increasing rigour by local councils, are catching landlords off guard with fines that can spiral into the hundreds of thousands.

    “I’ve seen landlords lose everything because they didn’t have a system in place to track compliance. One missed deadline can cost you £105,000, and if you’re operating through a limited company, that fine could double to £210,000.”

    He points to a recent case in the London Borough of Waltham Forest, where a landlord faced a staggering £66,000 in fines for failing to license a single house converted into two flats. “The council hit the landlord’s limited company with £16,500 per flat and then fined him personally as the sole director another £16,500 per flat. That’s £66,000 for a simple oversight – and now he’s forced to sell the property to cover the cost.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/oct/30/rachel-reeves-labour-keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest-news-updates

    Is there a judicial oversight or appeal for fines of this magnitude? If not then that’s wrong
    Or the tale could be wrong. I wouldn't rule that out.
  • nico67 said:

    I see the Tories are continuing to flog a dead horse . It’s irrelevant now what Reeves said yesterday . The estate agent apologized and have taken responsibility.

    Why the tories

    There is some indication two disgruntled ex cabinet minsters are gunning for her and who leaked the original story ?
  • There should be a word when you order an (expensive) item from the menu that you're looking forward to and then it turns out to taste like old shoes.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,622

    isam said:

    John Rentoul

    If Reeves stays, why did Rayner go?

    Rachel Reeves is still chancellor after making an “inadvertent mistake” in failing to apply for a licence to let her family home in south London.

    A brief excitement swept through Westminster this afternoon when No 10 said emails between the chancellor’s husband and the letting agent had “come to light”. They had not been published when this newsletter went out, but the lettings agency said it had apologised to Reeves for an “oversight” in not applying for a licence.

    But Angela Rayner is no longer deputy prime minister after making a “mistake” in which she “acted with integrity”, according to the adviser on ministerial interests, in failing to pay the required amount of stamp duty on a property purchase.

    The amounts of money involved may be similar, in that Reeves’s error may cost her not just the £945 for a licence but a year’s rent of £38,000 as well. Rayner is repaying an estimated £40,000 in additional stamp duty.

    I have commented that it is hard to see the difference in principle between the two cases – and I speculate that the real difference is that Keir Starmer was content to see Rayner go but desperate to keep Reeves, an ally who is not a threat to his position, in place.

    The difference is two fold. One Rayner was avoiding a large amount of tax on her deal (and it was all very stinky around valuations, money taken out of trust funds etc) and secondly she lied, threw the lawyers under the bus, and they immediately turned around and went no no no you don't, you are a bullshitter.

    Reeves has not dodged tax, despite "misrembering" initially, the people she threw under the bus has held their hands up and taken the blame.
    Besides, the bottom line is that Sir Laurie Magnus judged that Rayner needed to go and that Reeves didn't.

    If you think the PM's ethical adviser is behaving unethically, that's a big claim you are making. Hope there is some big evidence to go with it.
    Me?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,445
    Sean_F said:

    The Greens would be the official Opposition, on this result, with 52 MP’s, compared to 422 for Reform.

    The Greenies vs The Meanies

    Pause

    I'll get me coat... :)
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,570

    nico67 said:

    I see the Tories are continuing to flog a dead horse . It’s irrelevant now what Reeves said yesterday . The estate agent apologized and have taken responsibility.

    Why the tories

    There is some indication two disgruntled ex cabinet minsters are gunning for her and who leaked the original story ?
    Apparently the Daily Mail found the info . It’s pretty clear now that if you’re a big name in the cabinet you’d better make sure all your affairs are in order .
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,855

    Reeves was aware she needed a licence, but never paid for one

    Whatever the estate agent has said, it remains the landlord's responsibility

    A diligent person would have double-checked

    The Chancellor ought to be the epitome of diligence

    I never called for her to lose her job, and never really expected her to

    I strongly contested, and continue to contest, the ludicrous notion the she could somehow be unaware of a policy that she had been campaigning in favour of for over eighteen months, before it affected her personally

    An apology from PB tories is in order. But I don't suppose we'll be getting one. One rule for them, different rule for everybody else.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,863

    Robert Peston
    @Peston
    ·
    1m
    PA: Harvey & Wheeler, the estate agents used by Rachel Reeves to rent out her property in south London, have apologised to her for an "oversight" after they did not apply for a licence on her behalf, having offered to do so

    Reeves is toast!

    Why are Labour running away from an enquiry? Leaking one side of a story to the media is not balance like you get from enquiry is it?

    If they don’t give it to the ethics advisor to investigate and report back, the ethics advisor must quit. For Starmer would be doing the total dirty on the ethics advisor, by doing the ethics advisors job for him and humiliatingly sidelining him.
    Moon Rabid?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,855
    edited October 30
    nico67 said:

    Comedy gold on the Daily Mail comments pages who are having a meltdown over the estate agents apology to Reeves .

    What on earth were you doing wandering into there. That's way beyond the call of duty.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,553
    edited October 30
    Being on holiday I missed this.

    Danny Kruger compared supporting Hamas to supporting LGBT rights.

    What an absolute Mark Reckless.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nigel-farage-reform-chris-bryant-hamas-civil-service-b2853911.html

    https://x.com/PDJSwallow/status/1983919177443238294
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,432

    isam said:

    John Rentoul

    If Reeves stays, why did Rayner go?

    Rachel Reeves is still chancellor after making an “inadvertent mistake” in failing to apply for a licence to let her family home in south London.

    A brief excitement swept through Westminster this afternoon when No 10 said emails between the chancellor’s husband and the letting agent had “come to light”. They had not been published when this newsletter went out, but the lettings agency said it had apologised to Reeves for an “oversight” in not applying for a licence.

    But Angela Rayner is no longer deputy prime minister after making a “mistake” in which she “acted with integrity”, according to the adviser on ministerial interests, in failing to pay the required amount of stamp duty on a property purchase.

    The amounts of money involved may be similar, in that Reeves’s error may cost her not just the £945 for a licence but a year’s rent of £38,000 as well. Rayner is repaying an estimated £40,000 in additional stamp duty.

    I have commented that it is hard to see the difference in principle between the two cases – and I speculate that the real difference is that Keir Starmer was content to see Rayner go but desperate to keep Reeves, an ally who is not a threat to his position, in place.

    The difference is two fold. One Rayner was avoiding a large amount of tax on her deal (and it was all very stinky around valuations, money taken out of trust funds etc) and secondly she lied, threw the lawyers under the bus, and they immediately turned around and went no no no you don't, you are a bullshitter.

    Reeves has not dodged tax, despite "misrembering" initially, the people she threw under the bus has held their hands up and taken the blame.
    Besides, the bottom line is that Sir Laurie Magnus judged that Rayner needed to go and that Reeves didn't.

    If you think the PM's ethical adviser is behaving unethically, that's a big claim you are making. Hope there is some big evidence to go with it.
    Me?
    I should have said "one thinks" of course, but that felt over-provocative, given the header.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,570

    Being on holiday I missed.

    Danny Kruger compared supporting Hamas to supporting LGBT rights.

    What an absolute Mark Reckless.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nigel-farage-reform-chris-bryant-hamas-civil-service-b2853911.html

    https://x.com/PDJSwallow/status/1983919177443238294

    Reform are a cancer on the UK . Absolutely loathsome bunch of bigoted trash .
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,819

    There should be a word when you order an (expensive) item from the menu that you're looking forward to and then it turns out to taste like old shoes.

    Karma ?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,432
    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    Comedy gold on the Daily Mail comments pages who are having a meltdown over the estate agents apology to Reeves .

    What on earth are you doing wandering into there. That's way beyond the call of duty.
    One should always check the comments section of the Daily Mail if one enjoys a good laugh.

    There's an interesting question here, though. Does the Mail try to keep this story going tomorrow, or pretend it never happened?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,316
    edited October 30
    OT. Paul Allen's house on Cap Ferrat was recently sold to an American hedge fund manager Izzy Englander following his death. It's rumoured to have cost its new owner 105 million Euros. That's exactly the same price paid by Liverpool for Alexander Izak

    https://www.craincurrency.com/art-collectibles-and-property-management/billionaire-izzy-englander-buys-paul-allens-iconic-french
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,392
    edited October 30
    A happy side effect of this is millions of landlords having a minor panic and checking that they have or need a licence.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,677
    Battlebus said:

    Sky suggesting the emails may be good news for Reeves and will be published later

    There is no good news for Reeves. It's going to be a costly mistake,

    https://england.shelter.org.uk/professional_resources/legal/housing_conditions/private_sector_enforcement/rent_repayment_orders#offences-for-which-an-rro-can-be-made
    I would imagine the estate agent will be footing any bill.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,585
    kinabalu said:

    Rachel Reeves probably does not spend a lot of time reading the LandlordTODAY website. But if she did, she might have seen this article, written earlier this year, highlighting complaints about licensing schemes like the one that has got the chancellor into difficulties. It says:

    Phil Turtle, a compliance consultant at Landlord Licensing & Defence, says it is increasingly the case that a missed renewal notice, a buried letter, or a forgotten deadline can cost landlords their financial stability – and even their properties.

    And he believes that selective licensing schemes, enforced with increasing rigour by local councils, are catching landlords off guard with fines that can spiral into the hundreds of thousands.

    “I’ve seen landlords lose everything because they didn’t have a system in place to track compliance. One missed deadline can cost you £105,000, and if you’re operating through a limited company, that fine could double to £210,000.”

    He points to a recent case in the London Borough of Waltham Forest, where a landlord faced a staggering £66,000 in fines for failing to license a single house converted into two flats. “The council hit the landlord’s limited company with £16,500 per flat and then fined him personally as the sole director another £16,500 per flat. That’s £66,000 for a simple oversight – and now he’s forced to sell the property to cover the cost.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/oct/30/rachel-reeves-labour-keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest-news-updates

    Is there a judicial oversight or appeal for fines of this magnitude? If not then that’s wrong
    Or the tale could be wrong. I wouldn't rule that out.
    Indeed. But I think my point stands irrespective of the truth of the underlying story
  • Reeves was aware she needed a licence, but never paid for one

    Whatever the estate agent has said, it remains the landlord's responsibility

    A diligent person would have double-checked

    The Chancellor ought to be the epitome of diligence

    I never called for her to lose her job, and never really expected her to

    I strongly contested, and continue to contest, the ludicrous notion the she could somehow be unaware of a policy that she had been campaigning in favour of for over eighteen months, before it affected her personally

    Oh dear. Thoughts are with you at this difficult time.
    My position remains exactly the same
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,585
    isam said:

    John Rentoul

    If Reeves stays, why did Rayner go?

    Rachel Reeves is still chancellor after making an “inadvertent mistake” in failing to apply for a licence to let her family home in south London.

    A brief excitement swept through Westminster this afternoon when No 10 said emails between the chancellor’s husband and the letting agent had “come to light”. They had not been published when this newsletter went out, but the lettings agency said it had apologised to Reeves for an “oversight” in not applying for a licence.

    But Angela Rayner is no longer deputy prime minister after making a “mistake” in which she “acted with integrity”, according to the adviser on ministerial interests, in failing to pay the required amount of stamp duty on a property purchase.

    The amounts of money involved may be similar, in that Reeves’s error may cost her not just the £945 for a licence but a year’s rent of £38,000 as well. Rayner is repaying an estimated £40,000 in additional stamp duty.

    I have commented that it is hard to see the difference in principle between the two cases – and I speculate that the real difference is that Keir Starmer was content to see Rayner go but desperate to keep Reeves, an ally who is not a threat to his position, in place.

    He’s clearly an idiot then.

    Rayner was told by her lawyers to get professional advice, did not, and as a result underpaid her tax

    Reeves was informed by her agent that she needed a license, asked them to obtain it, and received confirmation that they would. Her error was not to follow up to ensure that they had done so. Yes she’s responsible for not having a license but it was minor infringement.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,585

    Gareth Martin, the owner of the agency, said that an employee who had offered to apply for a licence on behalf of Ms Reeves resigned before the tenancy began, and the company did not pick it up.

    Mr Martin, owner of Harvey & Wheeler, said: “We alert all our clients to the need for a licence. In an effort to be helpful our previous property manager offered to apply for a licence on these clients’ behalf, as shown in the correspondence. That property manager suddenly resigned on the Friday before the tenancy began on the following Monday.

    “Unfortunately, the lack of application was not picked up by us as we do not normally apply for licences on behalf of our clients; the onus is on them to apply. We have apologised to the owners for this oversight.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/30/politics-latest-news-rachel-reeves-rent-house-budget-tories/

    That isn't quite the story Reeves told last night. She said never been told about this licensing stuff. Sure she is still safe though.

    Called it.

    I said she was fine because in the engagement letter as a landlord you ask the lettings agency what licences/certificates you need, and if they replied with the wrong info then she didn't know about it.
    Your summary is not a correct rendition of the facts. So you didn’t call it.

    The agency replied with the correct facts - she needed a licence. However they did not follow through on their promise to obtain it
  • nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    I see the Tories are continuing to flog a dead horse . It’s irrelevant now what Reeves said yesterday . The estate agent apologized and have taken responsibility.

    Why the tories

    There is some indication two disgruntled ex cabinet minsters are gunning for her and who leaked the original story ?
    Apparently the Daily Mail found the info . It’s pretty clear now that if you’re a big name in the cabinet you’d better make sure all your affairs are in order .
    And that was Starmer's pledge
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,719
    I wonder what they are afraid of?

    @michaelscherer

    NEW: Stephen Miller, Marco Rubio, Kristi Noem, and others have taken over military homes that until recently housed senior officers.

    https://x.com/michaelscherer/status/1983877316792012884
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,855

    kinabalu said:

    Rachel Reeves probably does not spend a lot of time reading the LandlordTODAY website. But if she did, she might have seen this article, written earlier this year, highlighting complaints about licensing schemes like the one that has got the chancellor into difficulties. It says:

    Phil Turtle, a compliance consultant at Landlord Licensing & Defence, says it is increasingly the case that a missed renewal notice, a buried letter, or a forgotten deadline can cost landlords their financial stability – and even their properties.

    And he believes that selective licensing schemes, enforced with increasing rigour by local councils, are catching landlords off guard with fines that can spiral into the hundreds of thousands.

    “I’ve seen landlords lose everything because they didn’t have a system in place to track compliance. One missed deadline can cost you £105,000, and if you’re operating through a limited company, that fine could double to £210,000.”

    He points to a recent case in the London Borough of Waltham Forest, where a landlord faced a staggering £66,000 in fines for failing to license a single house converted into two flats. “The council hit the landlord’s limited company with £16,500 per flat and then fined him personally as the sole director another £16,500 per flat. That’s £66,000 for a simple oversight – and now he’s forced to sell the property to cover the cost.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/oct/30/rachel-reeves-labour-keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest-news-updates

    Is there a judicial oversight or appeal for fines of this magnitude? If not then that’s wrong
    Or the tale could be wrong. I wouldn't rule that out.
    Indeed. But I think my point stands irrespective of the truth of the underlying story
    There are rights of appeal for fines, I think.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,811

    kinabalu said:

    Rachel Reeves probably does not spend a lot of time reading the LandlordTODAY website. But if she did, she might have seen this article, written earlier this year, highlighting complaints about licensing schemes like the one that has got the chancellor into difficulties. It says:

    Phil Turtle, a compliance consultant at Landlord Licensing & Defence, says it is increasingly the case that a missed renewal notice, a buried letter, or a forgotten deadline can cost landlords their financial stability – and even their properties.

    And he believes that selective licensing schemes, enforced with increasing rigour by local councils, are catching landlords off guard with fines that can spiral into the hundreds of thousands.

    “I’ve seen landlords lose everything because they didn’t have a system in place to track compliance. One missed deadline can cost you £105,000, and if you’re operating through a limited company, that fine could double to £210,000.”

    He points to a recent case in the London Borough of Waltham Forest, where a landlord faced a staggering £66,000 in fines for failing to license a single house converted into two flats. “The council hit the landlord’s limited company with £16,500 per flat and then fined him personally as the sole director another £16,500 per flat. That’s £66,000 for a simple oversight – and now he’s forced to sell the property to cover the cost.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/oct/30/rachel-reeves-labour-keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest-news-updates

    Is there a judicial oversight or appeal for fines of this magnitude? If not then that’s wrong
    Or the tale could be wrong. I wouldn't rule that out.
    Indeed. But I think my point stands irrespective of the truth of the underlying story
    Not sure if either of these are the case mentioned, but seems likely there were some issues additional to licensing if the fine was in line with them
    https://newsroom.walthamforest.gov.uk/press-releases/2c3a7480-f56a-463f-bce3-a6fdb1eb7383/two-landlords-given-large-fines-totalling-135-000-for-failing-to-meet-property-licensing-requirements
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,585

    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    Comedy gold on the Daily Mail comments pages who are having a meltdown over the estate agents apology to Reeves .

    What on earth are you doing wandering into there. That's way beyond the call of duty.
    One should always check the comments section of the Daily Mail if one enjoys a good laugh.

    There's an interesting question here, though. Does the Mail try to keep this story going tomorrow, or pretend it never happened?
    REEVES GETS AWAY SCOT FREE WITH BREACH OF LAW

    Starmer says he has “full confidence” in her

    Reeves to hammer home owners despite making tens of thousands a year in rent thank to government housing
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,734

    There should be a word when you order an (expensive) item from the menu that you're looking forward to and then it turns out to taste like old shoes.

    There is...?

    Firstworldproblem
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,504
    nico67 said:

    I see the Tories are continuing to flog a dead horse . It’s irrelevant now what Reeves said yesterday . The estate agent apologized and has taken responsibility.

    Yes but the slightest inconsistency is enough to try to keep the story going.

    A private individual would, I assume, do the necessary research before embarking on becoming a landlord and would discover if a licence were needed in the area where their property was located.

    Rachel Reeves, as an MP and Chancellor, has other things on her plate (understandably) and in the blizzard of everything going on around her (and I can only guess what kind of working day she has), a tweet from three years ago would mean nothing. She probably wanted the lettings agent to deal with all the paperwork (that's what you pay them for I imagine) and assumed that had happened but it didn't and she has caught out.

    The Lettings Agent has admitted the mistake but if there is a fine levied by Leeds Council, Reeves, as the landlord, would have to pay it. Is any of this a hanging offence? Hardly - the only bone those hostile to her still seem to be chewing is the inconsistency angle and while that looks bad, again, hardly worth a resignation.

    Rentoul, wisely, asks why on this basis Rayner had to go. The problem is always when the story gets to such a point it becomes an unnecessary and damaging distraction at which point it no longer matters who did or said what and when.

    In the same way, the only hope those hoping to undermine Reeves and force her out is to keep the story going somehow but absent any new evidence it's going to fade away.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,585
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Rachel Reeves probably does not spend a lot of time reading the LandlordTODAY website. But if she did, she might have seen this article, written earlier this year, highlighting complaints about licensing schemes like the one that has got the chancellor into difficulties. It says:

    Phil Turtle, a compliance consultant at Landlord Licensing & Defence, says it is increasingly the case that a missed renewal notice, a buried letter, or a forgotten deadline can cost landlords their financial stability – and even their properties.

    And he believes that selective licensing schemes, enforced with increasing rigour by local councils, are catching landlords off guard with fines that can spiral into the hundreds of thousands.

    “I’ve seen landlords lose everything because they didn’t have a system in place to track compliance. One missed deadline can cost you £105,000, and if you’re operating through a limited company, that fine could double to £210,000.”

    He points to a recent case in the London Borough of Waltham Forest, where a landlord faced a staggering £66,000 in fines for failing to license a single house converted into two flats. “The council hit the landlord’s limited company with £16,500 per flat and then fined him personally as the sole director another £16,500 per flat. That’s £66,000 for a simple oversight – and now he’s forced to sell the property to cover the cost.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/oct/30/rachel-reeves-labour-keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest-news-updates

    Is there a judicial oversight or appeal for fines of this magnitude? If not then that’s wrong
    Or the tale could be wrong. I wouldn't rule that out.
    Indeed. But I think my point stands irrespective of the truth of the underlying story
    There are rights of appeal for fines, I think.
    If it’s an automatic fine it’s usually the council that reviews the appeal

    No government agency should be allowed to charge tens of thousands in fines without due process
  • Roger said:

    OT. Paul Allen's house on Cap Ferrat was recently sold to an American hedge fund manager Izzy Englander following his death. It's rumoured to have cost its new owner 105 million Euros. That's exactly the same price paid by Liverpool for Alexander Izak

    https://www.craincurrency.com/art-collectibles-and-property-management/billionaire-izzy-englander-buys-paul-allens-iconic-french

    Do you ever get anything right

    Izak cost Liverpool 125 million pounds or 142 million euros
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,392

    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    Comedy gold on the Daily Mail comments pages who are having a meltdown over the estate agents apology to Reeves .

    What on earth are you doing wandering into there. That's way beyond the call of duty.
    One should always check the comments section of the Daily Mail if one enjoys a good laugh.

    There's an interesting question here, though. Does the Mail try to keep this story going tomorrow, or pretend it never happened?
    REEVES GETS AWAY SCOT FREE WITH BREACH OF LAW

    Starmer says he has “full confidence” in her

    Reeves to hammer home owners despite making tens of thousands a year in rent thank to government housing
    Reeves houses BOAT PEOPLE in BARRACKS instead of her PLUSH London home worth £500,000
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,636
    Anna Whittaker
    @journoanna_
    ·
    6h
    A group of Labour Nottingham City Councillors have quit today to start the 'Nottingham People's Alliance'

    They say the party locally and nationally has "abandoned traditional Labour values"

    Read more: https://bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyk7r42qd9o


    https://x.com/journoanna_
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,585
    stodge said:

    nico67 said:

    I see the Tories are continuing to flog a dead horse . It’s irrelevant now what Reeves said yesterday . The estate agent apologized and has taken responsibility.

    Yes but the slightest inconsistency is enough to try to keep the story going.

    A private individual would, I assume, do the necessary research before embarking on becoming a landlord and would discover if a licence were needed in the area where their property was located.

    Rachel Reeves, as an MP and Chancellor, has other things on her plate (understandably) and in the blizzard of everything going on around her (and I can only guess what kind of working day she has), a tweet from three years ago would mean nothing. She probably wanted the lettings agent to deal with all the paperwork (that's what you pay them for I imagine) and assumed that had happened but it didn't and she has caught out.

    The Lettings Agent has admitted the mistake but if there is a fine levied by Leeds Council, Reeves, as the landlord, would have to pay it. Is any of this a hanging offence? Hardly - the only bone those hostile to her still seem to be chewing is the inconsistency angle and while that looks bad, again, hardly worth a resignation.

    Rentoul, wisely, asks why on this basis Rayner had to go. The problem is always when the story gets to such a point it becomes an unnecessary and damaging distraction at which point it no longer matters who did or said what and when.

    In the same way, the only hope those hoping to undermine Reeves and force her out is to keep the story going somehow but absent any new evidence it's going to fade away.
    Rayner was tax evasion based on her failure to take advice and misreporting to the revenue

    Reeves was an administrative oversight in failing to follow up with her agent to ensure they had done what they promised
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,719
    @VinnyMcAv

    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,855

    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    Comedy gold on the Daily Mail comments pages who are having a meltdown over the estate agents apology to Reeves .

    What on earth are you doing wandering into there. That's way beyond the call of duty.
    One should always check the comments section of the Daily Mail if one enjoys a good laugh.

    There's an interesting question here, though. Does the Mail try to keep this story going tomorrow, or pretend it never happened?
    I go to unHerd for that. Yes, let's see how the Mail etc plot their way out. And Kemi for that matter. The same tack for both, I guess.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,124
    Scott_xP said:

    @VinnyMcAv

    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.

    So he'll soon be the '' in the Tower?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,504
    An interesting piece on possible problems for a new D66 led Government in the Netherlands:

    https://www.dutchnews.nl/2025/10/jetten-turns-the-page-on-wilders-but-cant-close-the-book/
  • Scott_xP said:

    @VinnyMcAv

    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.

    Good
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,622
    edited October 30
    Prince Andrew to now known as the Symbol, (censored) formerly known as Prince....and been made homeless.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,734
    nico67 said:

    Being on holiday I missed.

    Danny Kruger compared supporting Hamas to supporting LGBT rights.

    What an absolute Mark Reckless.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nigel-farage-reform-chris-bryant-hamas-civil-service-b2853911.html

    https://x.com/PDJSwallow/status/1983919177443238294

    Reform are a cancer on the UK . Absolutely loathsome bunch of bigoted trash .
    Was't Kruger supposed to be the acceptable face of the whole crew ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,855
    Eabhal said:

    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    Comedy gold on the Daily Mail comments pages who are having a meltdown over the estate agents apology to Reeves .

    What on earth are you doing wandering into there. That's way beyond the call of duty.
    One should always check the comments section of the Daily Mail if one enjoys a good laugh.

    There's an interesting question here, though. Does the Mail try to keep this story going tomorrow, or pretend it never happened?
    REEVES GETS AWAY SCOT FREE WITH BREACH OF LAW

    Starmer says he has “full confidence” in her

    Reeves to hammer home owners despite making tens of thousands a year in rent thank to government housing
    Reeves houses BOAT PEOPLE in BARRACKS instead of her PLUSH London home worth £500,000
    £5m surely?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,636

    Scott_xP said:

    @VinnyMcAv

    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.

    Wow.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,936

    Prince Andrew to now known as the Symbol, (censored) formerly known as Prince....and been made homeless.

    In the old days one of the papers would have had a Prince Andrew impersonator selling the Big Issue by lunchtime tomorrow.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,504

    stodge said:

    nico67 said:

    I see the Tories are continuing to flog a dead horse . It’s irrelevant now what Reeves said yesterday . The estate agent apologized and has taken responsibility.

    Yes but the slightest inconsistency is enough to try to keep the story going.

    A private individual would, I assume, do the necessary research before embarking on becoming a landlord and would discover if a licence were needed in the area where their property was located.

    Rachel Reeves, as an MP and Chancellor, has other things on her plate (understandably) and in the blizzard of everything going on around her (and I can only guess what kind of working day she has), a tweet from three years ago would mean nothing. She probably wanted the lettings agent to deal with all the paperwork (that's what you pay them for I imagine) and assumed that had happened but it didn't and she has caught out.

    The Lettings Agent has admitted the mistake but if there is a fine levied by Leeds Council, Reeves, as the landlord, would have to pay it. Is any of this a hanging offence? Hardly - the only bone those hostile to her still seem to be chewing is the inconsistency angle and while that looks bad, again, hardly worth a resignation.

    Rentoul, wisely, asks why on this basis Rayner had to go. The problem is always when the story gets to such a point it becomes an unnecessary and damaging distraction at which point it no longer matters who did or said what and when.

    In the same way, the only hope those hoping to undermine Reeves and force her out is to keep the story going somehow but absent any new evidence it's going to fade away.
    Rayner was tax evasion based on her failure to take advice and misreporting to the revenue

    Reeves was an administrative oversight in failing to follow up with her agent to ensure they had done what they promised
    Rayner could have survived, albeit damaged, but the story simply wouldn't go away over several days and each day seemed to bring new evidence undermining her defence.

    Her initial response could have been more frank and honest which would have helped but the knives were clearly out for her including within elements of Labour and it's interesting the new Deputy Leader doesn't have the large policy brief.

    As for Reeves, negligent certainly but that's all.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,636
    Does Andy remain in the line of succession if he is striped of his title?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,183
    Eabhal said:

    A happy side effect of this is millions of landlords having a minor panic and checking that they have or need a licence.

    Or in my case reading its terms!
    Wow, those lads at the council are big fans of the old written records, aren't they.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,166
    edited October 30
    Odd that so many of these prominent politicians don’t go the extra mile to make sure that their own house is always in order. I always did, despite just being a lowly and briefly prominent local councillor.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,175

    PA:

    The Prime Minister and his independent ethics adviser have received “new information” regarding the rental arrangements for the Chancellor’s family home, Downing Street has said.

    No 10 added that Sir Keir Starmer has “full confidence” in Rachel Reeves.

    A No 10 spokesman said: “Following a review of emails sent and received by the Chancellor’s husband, new information has come to light.”

    “This information has been passed to the Prime Minister and his independent adviser.”

    ---

    Did the Daily Mail have a follow up waiting for this evening?

    I did speculate on the previous thread that I wonder if the Lettings Agency has screwed up as they are the ones that make sure everything is compliant.
    Or the opposite, like Rayner, where they basically say your responsibility to ensure you comply.

    If its the Lettings Agency who have screwed up not great for their business.
    I’ve checked my agreements with my Lettings Agencies and they are clear they inform the landlord of what certificates are required in each area.
    Seems the e mails are between the letting agent and Reeves husband

    I expect the letting agent may have questions to answer
    Good excuse, was the husband did it and ran away
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,636
    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    Comedy gold on the Daily Mail comments pages who are having a meltdown over the estate agents apology to Reeves .

    What on earth are you doing wandering into there. That's way beyond the call of duty.
    One should always check the comments section of the Daily Mail if one enjoys a good laugh.

    There's an interesting question here, though. Does the Mail try to keep this story going tomorrow, or pretend it never happened?
    REEVES GETS AWAY SCOT FREE WITH BREACH OF LAW

    Starmer says he has “full confidence” in her

    Reeves to hammer home owners despite making tens of thousands a year in rent thank to government housing
    Reeves houses BOAT PEOPLE in BARRACKS instead of her PLUSH London home worth £500,000
    £5m surely?
    have you seen then photos of the place?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,719
    BREAKING - The King has taken further action on Prince Andrew and moved to formally strip all his titles. The former Duke of York will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and will leave Royal Lodge. “These censures are deemed necessary.”

    https://x.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1983974175589945497
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,124
    eek said:

    Omnium said:

    Ministers falling foul of everyday tripwires seems to me to be pretty unhelpful in our long, and seemingly lost, quest for good government. It strikes me that the country might be well served if the cabinet had the option to have a civil-service check on their arrangements perhaps once a quarter. They could decline, and there would have to be a cost if their affairs were disorderly, but insulating them from and correcting minor matters and letting them get on with making the usual pigs ear seems perhaps a sensible idea.

    All this story has told me is that anyone who wants to be a politician is a f&&&ing stupid masochistic idiot
    It's reinforced the sense that Fleet St would far prefer to go through your bins than do proper reporting too.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,183
    Scott_xP said:

    @VinnyMcAv

    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.

    Does this make Charles a stripper?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,175
    viewcode said:

    Robert Peston
    @Peston
    ·
    1m
    PA: Harvey & Wheeler, the estate agents used by Rachel Reeves to rent out her property in south London, have apologised to her for an "oversight" after they did not apply for a licence on her behalf, having offered to do so

    Reeves is toast!

    Why are Labour running away from an enquiry? Leaking one side of a story to the media is not balance like you get from enquiry is it?

    If they don’t give it to the ethics advisor to investigate and report back, the ethics advisor must quit. For Starmer would be doing the total dirty on the ethics advisor, by doing the ethics advisors job for him and humiliatingly sidelining him.
    I'm confused. Doesn't the estate agents' intervention demonstrate that Reeves is innocent?
    couple of hasty e-mails drummed up
  • eekeek Posts: 31,704
    Omnium said:

    eek said:

    Omnium said:

    Ministers falling foul of everyday tripwires seems to me to be pretty unhelpful in our long, and seemingly lost, quest for good government. It strikes me that the country might be well served if the cabinet had the option to have a civil-service check on their arrangements perhaps once a quarter. They could decline, and there would have to be a cost if their affairs were disorderly, but insulating them from and correcting minor matters and letting them get on with making the usual pigs ear seems perhaps a sensible idea.

    All this story has told me is that anyone who wants to be a politician is a f&&&ing stupid masochistic idiot
    It's reinforced the sense that Fleet St would far prefer to go through your bins than do proper reporting too.
    Proper reporting costs real money - this was setting an intern a task for lols or a freelancer wanting to make a few quid
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,175

    Gareth Martin, the owner of the agency, said that an employee who had offered to apply for a licence on behalf of Ms Reeves resigned before the tenancy began, and the company did not pick it up.

    Mr Martin, owner of Harvey & Wheeler, said: “We alert all our clients to the need for a licence. In an effort to be helpful our previous property manager offered to apply for a licence on these clients’ behalf, as shown in the correspondence. That property manager suddenly resigned on the Friday before the tenancy began on the following Monday.

    “Unfortunately, the lack of application was not picked up by us as we do not normally apply for licences on behalf of our clients; the onus is on them to apply. We have apologised to the owners for this oversight.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/30/politics-latest-news-rachel-reeves-rent-house-budget-tories/

    That isn't quite the story Reeves told last night. She said never been told any about this licensing stuff. Now it is we were told, said go and organise it and left it at that. Sure she is still safe though.

    Good job she doesn't have a job that requires very careful consideration of complex laws in minute detail.

    Hopefully the previous property manager takes it on the chin that it was his fault and not hers.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,445
    edited October 30

    Scott_xP said:

    @VinnyMcAv
    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.

    Wow.
    If The Crown was correct, Charles is famously callous in these matters

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpwxTSHi3Og
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,175

    Gareth Martin, the owner of the agency, said that an employee who had offered to apply for a licence on behalf of Ms Reeves resigned before the tenancy began, and the company did not pick it up.

    Mr Martin, owner of Harvey & Wheeler, said: “We alert all our clients to the need for a licence. In an effort to be helpful our previous property manager offered to apply for a licence on these clients’ behalf, as shown in the correspondence. That property manager suddenly resigned on the Friday before the tenancy began on the following Monday.

    “Unfortunately, the lack of application was not picked up by us as we do not normally apply for licences on behalf of our clients; the onus is on them to apply. We have apologised to the owners for this oversight.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/30/politics-latest-news-rachel-reeves-rent-house-budget-tories/

    That isn't quite the story Reeves told last night. She said never been told about this licensing stuff. Sure she is still safe though.

    I'll be in a minority but to me it doesn't really help her. One thing that grates is she is coming up to a defining Budget, and fighting to keep her job, yet couldn't find this email or remember it ahead of providing the info to the ethics advisor. Either spectacular incompetence, or spectacular arrogance. But her arse is now covered and we move on.
    Yes all very convenient, just a memory lapse on the e-mails etc
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,175

    Reeves was aware she needed a licence, but never paid for one

    Whatever the estate agent has said, it remains the landlord's responsibility

    A diligent person would have double-checked

    The Chancellor ought to be the epitome of diligence

    I never called for her to lose her job, and never really expected her to

    I strongly contested, and continue to contest, the ludicrous notion the she could somehow be unaware of a policy that she had been campaigning in favour of for over eighteen months, before it affected her personally

    It is a white wash for sure
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,316
    Scott_xP said:

    @VinnyMcAv

    BREAKING: King strips his brother Andrew of Prince title.

    Wasn't it always 'Randy'
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