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  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,286
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Our latest Westminster voting intention (19-20 Oct) has the Greens on their highest figure ever recorded by YouGov

    Reform UK: 26% (-1 from 12-13 Oct)
    Labour: 20% (=)
    Conservatives: 17% (=)
    Lib Dems: 15% (-1)
    Greens: 15% (+2)
    SNP: 4% (+1)

    https://x.com/yougov/status/1980596985192427849?s=61&t=c6bcp0cjChLfQN5Tc8A_6g

    The lowest score for the fascists with any pollster for at least 5 months. Should we be celebrating?

    Depends how much store you set by Yougov.
    Traditionally PB's 'gold standard'
    There is no Gold Standard pollster. There's merely the one(s) that came closest last time.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,015
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Miliband's got a local problem to deal with first:

    Three MPs have criticised plans for a 3,500-acre solar farm between Doncaster and Rotherham.

    The project, named Whitestone Solar Farm, would stretch across a number of separate parcels of land and could power 250,000 homes.

    However, local MPs John Healey, Sarah Champion and Jake Richards have all raised concerns about the size and location of the scheme.

    ...


    Healey, Labour MP for Rawmarsh and Conisbrough, told project developer Green Nation in a letter that the scheme did not meet his expectations, according to the Local Democracy Reporting Service.

    "In my view, every project must still meet three tests: it must be proportionate, it must be safe, and it must be fair - Whitestone fails all three," he said.

    He said it was "the wrong scale of scheme in the wrong place".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e246pdgzo

    I'm struggling to think of ways in which the solar farm won't be safe... Solar (photovoltaic) panels are -one would think- by far the "safest" form of electricity generation. There's no swinging blades at high height; there's no radioactive byproducts; there's no high pressure, high temperature steam; there's no slag heap.

    What is the safety aspect that Mr Healey is concerned about?

    I mean, you can take issue regarding their cost or location or the opportunity cost of not using the location for (say) housing. But safety... I mean... what?
    Burden of proof. First do no harm. It's not fair. The precautionary principle. It's not environmentally friendly. Have you done an impact assessment? An equality assessment? What about the bats? The worms? The fauna? The owls? I demand a judicial review of your decision. I find this offensive and a violation of my dignity. I'll launch a petition. I'll launch a crowd funder. A Patreon. I'll launch an appeal. Another appeal. DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!!!

    Like, share and subscribe... ☹️
    There is one obvious safety issue. The reflections, all at once, so to speak. But I presume there's a standard process for checking it doesn't reflect into some neighbour's house, or even at ground level.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,525


    James Talarico
    @jamestalarico
    ·
    Oct 20
    Tariffs are ruining everything — including the Texas State Fair.

    $14 for fried oreos.

    ===

    Fried oreos?

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,286

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    2 experienced prosecutors looked at the case against Letitia James and decided it was insufficient to bring charges. One of these was the relevant Attorney for the district. He soon resigned before being sacked. Trump then appointed one of his personal attorneys, Halligan, to the job, someone with zero prosecution experience. She, at Trump’s instruction, launched the case against James.

    You have to be drinking deeply from the well of MAGA propaganda to believe any of this is appropriate.

    Halligan went to a grand jury to get an indictment. James’s great-niece testified before that jury that she lives in the house and doesn’t pay rent. The jury appears to have refused to support an indictment. It appears Halligan then tried a new grand jury, this time without the niece testifying, and managed to secure an indictment.

    I struggle to understand what Trump thinks he's going to achieve with these.
    Do what he's always done; deploy superior financial resources (in this case, those of government) to drain the resources of his opponents.

    Anything beyond that would be a bonus.
    how are you allowed a second go with a different grand jury?
    It's America, Jake... ☹️
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,389
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    "The evidence we've got says Trump is innocent."

    "Can we see it, then ?"

    "No."

    Comer: "The evidence we've gathered does not implicate President Trump in any way. Public reporting, survivor testimony, and official documents show that Bill Clinton had far closer ties to Epstein. We're working to bring former President Clinton in for a deposition, but the Democrats aren't helping one bit."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1980642046206447744

    Trump just sent Epstein the odd saucy birthday card, nothing to see here, move along
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/08/trump-epstein-birthday-letter
    Pure coincidence he's about to let out of prison another sex offender.

    Donald Trump is considering commuting Diddy’s sentence as early as this week, TMZ reports.
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1980446296738791522
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,455
    carnforth said:

    On Clarkson:

    Isn't the key tension between Clarkson the man and Clarkson the character? Becoming an MP is exactly the sort of thing that Jezza, the lead personality of the (scripted reality/fictional) Jezza Show might do, but the real human being? Not sure, but he probably has more sense. In any case, the gap between the character and the man might piss off his supporters. (See also, that unreality star "Boris").

    If he made a show about running for office (and season two was him being an MP) I bet it would be a hit.
    Television might be a factor. Also, is Clarkson not a friend of David Cameron?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,015
    edited October 21



    James Talarico
    @jamestalarico
    ·
    Oct 20
    Tariffs are ruining everything — including the Texas State Fair.

    $14 for fried oreos.

    ===

    Fried oreos?

    Established recipe, apparently. Edit: Plenty more on Google. Even a Wiki page.

    https://divascancook.com/fried-oreos-recipe/

    Edit: but as they are Usonian produce, I can't see how tariffs affect it. Now, fried haggis puddings ...
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,514
    edited October 21
    If the Comey case is thrown out it can’t be refiled because of the statute of limitations.
  • Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford
    EXCLUSIVE:

    Rachel Reeves will launch a £2 billion tax raid on lawyers, family doctors and accountants as she seeks to balance the books by targeting the wealthy

    The chancellor is expected to use the budget to impose a new charge on people who use limited liability partnerships as she tries to fill a £30 billion hole in the public finances

    More than 190,000 workers use partnerships, particularly in the legal world, and they offer a significant tax benefit over ordinary employment. They are not subject to employers' national insurance as partners are treated as self-employed

    Reeves is said to consider this unfair and is expected to announce changes to the system in her budget. She has repeatedly said that 'those with the broadest shoulders' should pay their 'fair share of tax', and many of those who use partnerships are high earners

    Details of the planned tax raid on partnerships were obtained by The State of It, the new political podcast from The Times and The Sunday Times

    More than 13,000 partners earn an average of £1.25 million each a year. Solicitors who draw profits from partnerships make an average of £316,000 a year. The family doctors make £118,000 and accountants an average of £246,000

    Reeves is also expected to push ahead with a mansion tax, imposing capital gains on the sale of main residences for the most expensive properties

    Just merge National Insurance and Income Tax and make everyone pay the same rate of tax, regardless of how they earn it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,051

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    2 experienced prosecutors looked at the case against Letitia James and decided it was insufficient to bring charges. One of these was the relevant Attorney for the district. He soon resigned before being sacked. Trump then appointed one of his personal attorneys, Halligan, to the job, someone with zero prosecution experience. She, at Trump’s instruction, launched the case against James.

    You have to be drinking deeply from the well of MAGA propaganda to believe any of this is appropriate.

    Halligan went to a grand jury to get an indictment. James’s great-niece testified before that jury that she lives in the house and doesn’t pay rent. The jury appears to have refused to support an indictment. It appears Halligan then tried a new grand jury, this time without the niece testifying, and managed to secure an indictment.

    I struggle to understand what Trump thinks he's going to achieve with these.
    Do what he's always done; deploy superior financial resources (in this case, those of government) to drain the resources of his opponents.

    Anything beyond that would be a bonus.
    how are you allowed a second go with a different grand jury?
    Grand Juries are fundamentally different from Petit Juries which try cases. But it is worth noting that most prosecutors will go their entire career without having a Grand Jury knock back a single indictment.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,590
    rcs1000 said:

    2 experienced prosecutors looked at the case against Letitia James and decided it was insufficient to bring charges. One of these was the relevant Attorney for the district. He soon resigned before being sacked. Trump then appointed one of his personal attorneys, Halligan, to the job, someone with zero prosecution experience. She, at Trump’s instruction, launched the case against James.

    You have to be drinking deeply from the well of MAGA propaganda to believe any of this is appropriate.

    Halligan went to a grand jury to get an indictment. James’s great-niece testified before that jury that she lives in the house and doesn’t pay rent. The jury appears to have refused to support an indictment. It appears Halligan then tried a new grand jury, this time without the niece testifying, and managed to secure an indictment.

    I struggle to understand what Trump thinks he's going to achieve with these. I always thought the Trump prosecutions were (politically) incredibly dumb. The same is true of these.

    There is no way that Comey isn't going to walk.

    I woulde be extremely surprised if Latetia James doesn't get the big NG too.

    And there are going to be a whole bunch of real criminals who don't end up being convicted because the US attorneys' offices are hollowed out because all the career prosecutors left rather than pursue doomed cases. How is that a vote winning strategy?
    Trump thinks he is going to get revenge. He thinks the prosecutions will be successful, and even if they’re not, that doesn’t matter, he will have inflicted suffering in his enemies.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,334
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    2 experienced prosecutors looked at the case against Letitia James and decided it was insufficient to bring charges. One of these was the relevant Attorney for the district. He soon resigned before being sacked. Trump then appointed one of his personal attorneys, Halligan, to the job, someone with zero prosecution experience. She, at Trump’s instruction, launched the case against James.

    You have to be drinking deeply from the well of MAGA propaganda to believe any of this is appropriate.

    Halligan went to a grand jury to get an indictment. James’s great-niece testified before that jury that she lives in the house and doesn’t pay rent. The jury appears to have refused to support an indictment. It appears Halligan then tried a new grand jury, this time without the niece testifying, and managed to secure an indictment.

    I struggle to understand what Trump thinks he's going to achieve with these.
    Do what he's always done; deploy superior financial resources (in this case, those of government) to drain the resources of his opponents.

    Anything beyond that would be a bonus.
    But how bothered am I if I'm James Comey? I know I'm not going to jail, my lawyer is probably taking the work pro bono, because it's amazing publicity that keeps me in the public eye for future speaking tours and books.

    This isn't like a civil suit where someone is demanding billions of dollars with big name attorneys, and I'm spending a fortune defending myself. Heck, the Public Defender can probably handle this one.
    Comey will, probably, be OK.

    But it's half a year at least out of his life, and he's painted as a target for every MAGA nutter (another couple of them arrested today for potential assassination plots) out there.

    That's not nothing.

    The general chilling factor on anybody else thinking about doing something that would annoy Trump isn't nothing either.

    But I tend to think that Trump isn't doing these things based on weighing up the outcomes. If you do something that pisses him off then he'll swipe back at you with whatever lever comes to hand. It's an emotional response as much as anything else.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,165
    rcs1000 said:

    Miliband's got a local problem to deal with first:

    Three MPs have criticised plans for a 3,500-acre solar farm between Doncaster and Rotherham.

    The project, named Whitestone Solar Farm, would stretch across a number of separate parcels of land and could power 250,000 homes.

    However, local MPs John Healey, Sarah Champion and Jake Richards have all raised concerns about the size and location of the scheme.

    ...


    Healey, Labour MP for Rawmarsh and Conisbrough, told project developer Green Nation in a letter that the scheme did not meet his expectations, according to the Local Democracy Reporting Service.

    "In my view, every project must still meet three tests: it must be proportionate, it must be safe, and it must be fair - Whitestone fails all three," he said.

    He said it was "the wrong scale of scheme in the wrong place".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e246pdgzo

    I'm struggling to think of ways in which the solar farm won't be safe... Solar (photovoltaic) panels are -one would think- by far the "safest" form of electricity generation. There's no swinging blades at high height; there's no radioactive byproducts; there's no high pressure, high temperature steam; there's no slag heap.

    What is the safety aspect that Mr Healey is concerned about?

    I mean, you can take issue regarding their cost or location or the opportunity cost of not using the location for (say) housing. But safety... I mean... what?
    "According to cancer biologist David H. Nguyen, PhD, toxic chemicals in solar panels include cadmium telluride, copper indium selenide, cadmium gallium (di)selenide, copper indium gallium (di)selenide, hexafluoroethane, lead, and polyvinyl fluoride. Silicon tetrachloride, a byproduct of producing crystalline silicon, is also highly toxic."

    https://www.americanexperiment.org/solar-panels-produce-tons-of-toxic-waste-literally/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,920

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford
    EXCLUSIVE:

    Rachel Reeves will launch a £2 billion tax raid on lawyers, family doctors and accountants as she seeks to balance the books by targeting the wealthy

    The chancellor is expected to use the budget to impose a new charge on people who use limited liability partnerships as she tries to fill a £30 billion hole in the public finances

    More than 190,000 workers use partnerships, particularly in the legal world, and they offer a significant tax benefit over ordinary employment. They are not subject to employers' national insurance as partners are treated as self-employed

    Reeves is said to consider this unfair and is expected to announce changes to the system in her budget. She has repeatedly said that 'those with the broadest shoulders' should pay their 'fair share of tax', and many of those who use partnerships are high earners

    Details of the planned tax raid on partnerships were obtained by The State of It, the new political podcast from The Times and The Sunday Times

    More than 13,000 partners earn an average of £1.25 million each a year. Solicitors who draw profits from partnerships make an average of £316,000 a year. The family doctors make £118,000 and accountants an average of £246,000

    Reeves is also expected to push ahead with a mansion tax, imposing capital gains on the sale of main residences for the most expensive properties

    Just merge National Insurance and Income Tax and make everyone pay the same rate of tax, regardless of how they earn it.
    No, NI should be ringfenced for the state pension and JSA and longer term social care.

    Not that that has much relevance to this debate, Reeves would still be hammering partners' income and profits regardless
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,525
    nico67 said:

    If the Comey case is thrown out it can’t be refiled because of the statute of limitations.

    That was when America was a country under the rule of law.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,920
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    "The evidence we've got says Trump is innocent."

    "Can we see it, then ?"

    "No."

    Comer: "The evidence we've gathered does not implicate President Trump in any way. Public reporting, survivor testimony, and official documents show that Bill Clinton had far closer ties to Epstein. We're working to bring former President Clinton in for a deposition, but the Democrats aren't helping one bit."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1980642046206447744

    Trump just sent Epstein the odd saucy birthday card, nothing to see here, move along
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/08/trump-epstein-birthday-letter
    Pure coincidence he's about to let out of prison another sex offender.

    Donald Trump is considering commuting Diddy’s sentence as early as this week, TMZ reports.
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1980446296738791522
    The White House has denied that

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/white-house-pardon-sean-combs-trump-b2849418.html
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,525
    Carnyx said:



    James Talarico
    @jamestalarico
    ·
    Oct 20
    Tariffs are ruining everything — including the Texas State Fair.

    $14 for fried oreos.

    ===

    Fried oreos?

    Established recipe, apparently. Edit: Plenty more on Google. Even a Wiki page.

    https://divascancook.com/fried-oreos-recipe/

    Edit: but as they are Usonian produce, I can't see how tariffs affect it. Now, fried haggis puddings ...
    No wonder half of them are obese.



  • eekeek Posts: 31,570

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford
    EXCLUSIVE:

    Rachel Reeves will launch a £2 billion tax raid on lawyers, family doctors and accountants as she seeks to balance the books by targeting the wealthy

    The chancellor is expected to use the budget to impose a new charge on people who use limited liability partnerships as she tries to fill a £30 billion hole in the public finances

    More than 190,000 workers use partnerships, particularly in the legal world, and they offer a significant tax benefit over ordinary employment. They are not subject to employers' national insurance as partners are treated as self-employed

    Reeves is said to consider this unfair and is expected to announce changes to the system in her budget. She has repeatedly said that 'those with the broadest shoulders' should pay their 'fair share of tax', and many of those who use partnerships are high earners

    Details of the planned tax raid on partnerships were obtained by The State of It, the new political podcast from The Times and The Sunday Times

    More than 13,000 partners earn an average of £1.25 million each a year. Solicitors who draw profits from partnerships make an average of £316,000 a year. The family doctors make £118,000 and accountants an average of £246,000

    Reeves is also expected to push ahead with a mansion tax, imposing capital gains on the sale of main residences for the most expensive properties

    Just merge National Insurance and Income Tax and make everyone pay the same rate of tax, regardless of how they earn it.
    Once again - LLP's big benefit is reducing the amount of EMPLOYER NI not employee...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,525
    megan kenyon reposted

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    Big exclusive tonight from
    @patrickkmaguire
    and
    @Gabriel_Pogrund


    Britain’s most senior civil servant is expected to be ousted within months after losing the confidence of senior figures in Downing Street

    No 10 and Whitehall sources have told The Times that Sir Chris Wormald, the cabinet secretary, is unlikely to survive beyond January as concerns about his performance increase
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,727

    rcs1000 said:

    Miliband's got a local problem to deal with first:

    Three MPs have criticised plans for a 3,500-acre solar farm between Doncaster and Rotherham.

    The project, named Whitestone Solar Farm, would stretch across a number of separate parcels of land and could power 250,000 homes.

    However, local MPs John Healey, Sarah Champion and Jake Richards have all raised concerns about the size and location of the scheme.

    ...


    Healey, Labour MP for Rawmarsh and Conisbrough, told project developer Green Nation in a letter that the scheme did not meet his expectations, according to the Local Democracy Reporting Service.

    "In my view, every project must still meet three tests: it must be proportionate, it must be safe, and it must be fair - Whitestone fails all three," he said.

    He said it was "the wrong scale of scheme in the wrong place".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e246pdgzo

    I'm struggling to think of ways in which the solar farm won't be safe... Solar (photovoltaic) panels are -one would think- by far the "safest" form of electricity generation. There's no swinging blades at high height; there's no radioactive byproducts; there's no high pressure, high temperature steam; there's no slag heap.

    What is the safety aspect that Mr Healey is concerned about?

    I mean, you can take issue regarding their cost or location or the opportunity cost of not using the location for (say) housing. But safety... I mean... what?
    "According to cancer biologist David H. Nguyen, PhD, toxic chemicals in solar panels include cadmium telluride, copper indium selenide, cadmium gallium (di)selenide, copper indium gallium (di)selenide, hexafluoroethane, lead, and polyvinyl fluoride. Silicon tetrachloride, a byproduct of producing crystalline silicon, is also highly toxic."

    https://www.americanexperiment.org/solar-panels-produce-tons-of-toxic-waste-literally/
    They are locked into the glass. Which means that nothing will come out in geological periods of time.

    We know this because of analysis of volcanic glasses.

    So even if you are planing on slowly licking a solar panel for several hundred million years, you will be ok.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,051

    rcs1000 said:

    Miliband's got a local problem to deal with first:

    Three MPs have criticised plans for a 3,500-acre solar farm between Doncaster and Rotherham.

    The project, named Whitestone Solar Farm, would stretch across a number of separate parcels of land and could power 250,000 homes.

    However, local MPs John Healey, Sarah Champion and Jake Richards have all raised concerns about the size and location of the scheme.

    ...


    Healey, Labour MP for Rawmarsh and Conisbrough, told project developer Green Nation in a letter that the scheme did not meet his expectations, according to the Local Democracy Reporting Service.

    "In my view, every project must still meet three tests: it must be proportionate, it must be safe, and it must be fair - Whitestone fails all three," he said.

    He said it was "the wrong scale of scheme in the wrong place".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e246pdgzo

    I'm struggling to think of ways in which the solar farm won't be safe... Solar (photovoltaic) panels are -one would think- by far the "safest" form of electricity generation. There's no swinging blades at high height; there's no radioactive byproducts; there's no high pressure, high temperature steam; there's no slag heap.

    What is the safety aspect that Mr Healey is concerned about?

    I mean, you can take issue regarding their cost or location or the opportunity cost of not using the location for (say) housing. But safety... I mean... what?
    "According to cancer biologist David H. Nguyen, PhD, toxic chemicals in solar panels include cadmium telluride, copper indium selenide, cadmium gallium (di)selenide, copper indium gallium (di)selenide, hexafluoroethane, lead, and polyvinyl fluoride. Silicon tetrachloride, a byproduct of producing crystalline silicon, is also highly toxic."

    https://www.americanexperiment.org/solar-panels-produce-tons-of-toxic-waste-literally/
    Hang on.

    The vast majority of those chemicals are the ones found in thin film solar panels, not the ones found in silicon photovoltaics.

    Thin film solar *was* a big thing: it was cheap, but low efficiency, and was created by using deposition to put down a very thin layer of cadmium telluride (or equivalent) on top of a glass substrate.

    But the collapsing price of solar photovoltaics has completely destryoed the thin film solar business.

    Silicon tetrachloride is a (theoretical) risk. But it's so far up the manufacturing process, that I would be staggered if any made it into the final product. 
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,403

    megan kenyon reposted

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    Big exclusive tonight from
    @patrickkmaguire
    and
    @Gabriel_Pogrund


    Britain’s most senior civil servant is expected to be ousted within months after losing the confidence of senior figures in Downing Street

    No 10 and Whitehall sources have told The Times that Sir Chris Wormald, the cabinet secretary, is unlikely to survive beyond January as concerns about his performance increase

    Your joking....not another one....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,525
    edited October 21

    megan kenyon reposted

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    Big exclusive tonight from
    @patrickkmaguire
    and
    @Gabriel_Pogrund


    Britain’s most senior civil servant is expected to be ousted within months after losing the confidence of senior figures in Downing Street

    No 10 and Whitehall sources have told The Times that Sir Chris Wormald, the cabinet secretary, is unlikely to survive beyond January as concerns about his performance increase

    Your joking....not another one....
    As I understand it he was a bonkers choice. They feel they need massive refresh and rejig of how the civil service delivers and so they appointed the most dyed in the wool everything-stays-the-same candidate on the short list.

    Time for Antonia Romeo?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,672

    rcs1000 said:

    Miliband's got a local problem to deal with first:

    Three MPs have criticised plans for a 3,500-acre solar farm between Doncaster and Rotherham.

    The project, named Whitestone Solar Farm, would stretch across a number of separate parcels of land and could power 250,000 homes.

    However, local MPs John Healey, Sarah Champion and Jake Richards have all raised concerns about the size and location of the scheme.

    ...


    Healey, Labour MP for Rawmarsh and Conisbrough, told project developer Green Nation in a letter that the scheme did not meet his expectations, according to the Local Democracy Reporting Service.

    "In my view, every project must still meet three tests: it must be proportionate, it must be safe, and it must be fair - Whitestone fails all three," he said.

    He said it was "the wrong scale of scheme in the wrong place".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e246pdgzo

    I'm struggling to think of ways in which the solar farm won't be safe... Solar (photovoltaic) panels are -one would think- by far the "safest" form of electricity generation. There's no swinging blades at high height; there's no radioactive byproducts; there's no high pressure, high temperature steam; there's no slag heap.

    What is the safety aspect that Mr Healey is concerned about?

    I mean, you can take issue regarding their cost or location or the opportunity cost of not using the location for (say) housing. But safety... I mean... what?
    "According to cancer biologist David H. Nguyen, PhD, toxic chemicals in solar panels include cadmium telluride, copper indium selenide, cadmium gallium (di)selenide, copper indium gallium (di)selenide, hexafluoroethane, lead, and polyvinyl fluoride. Silicon tetrachloride, a byproduct of producing crystalline silicon, is also highly toxic."

    https://www.americanexperiment.org/solar-panels-produce-tons-of-toxic-waste-literally/
    Have you ever considered the toxic of the petrochemical alternatives? These are gases, volatile liquids and particulates so much more likely to be ingested.

    It
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,403
    edited October 21
    Having failed to repeat the trick of 2010 Coalition on blaming the previous government, it seems it full scale BREEXXXITTTTTT is responsible for every problem...Patriotic Renewal was so last week.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/21/reeves-says-economic-damage-caused-by-brexit-forcing-her-to-take-action-in-budget
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,672

    Having failed to repeat the trick of 2010 Coalition on blaming the previous government, it seems it full scale BREEXXXITTTTTT is responsible for every problem...Patriotic Renewal was so last week.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/21/reeves-says-economic-damage-caused-by-brexit-forcing-her-to-take-action-in-budget

    To be fair, over 60% of the public agree.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,885

    rcs1000 said:

    Miliband's got a local problem to deal with first:

    Three MPs have criticised plans for a 3,500-acre solar farm between Doncaster and Rotherham.

    The project, named Whitestone Solar Farm, would stretch across a number of separate parcels of land and could power 250,000 homes.

    However, local MPs John Healey, Sarah Champion and Jake Richards have all raised concerns about the size and location of the scheme.

    ...


    Healey, Labour MP for Rawmarsh and Conisbrough, told project developer Green Nation in a letter that the scheme did not meet his expectations, according to the Local Democracy Reporting Service.

    "In my view, every project must still meet three tests: it must be proportionate, it must be safe, and it must be fair - Whitestone fails all three," he said.

    He said it was "the wrong scale of scheme in the wrong place".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e246pdgzo

    I'm struggling to think of ways in which the solar farm won't be safe... Solar (photovoltaic) panels are -one would think- by far the "safest" form of electricity generation. There's no swinging blades at high height; there's no radioactive byproducts; there's no high pressure, high temperature steam; there's no slag heap.

    What is the safety aspect that Mr Healey is concerned about?

    I mean, you can take issue regarding their cost or location or the opportunity cost of not using the location for (say) housing. But safety... I mean... what?
    "According to cancer biologist David H. Nguyen, PhD, toxic chemicals in solar panels include cadmium telluride, copper indium selenide, cadmium gallium (di)selenide, copper indium gallium (di)selenide, hexafluoroethane, lead, and polyvinyl fluoride. Silicon tetrachloride, a byproduct of producing crystalline silicon, is also highly toxic."

    https://www.americanexperiment.org/solar-panels-produce-tons-of-toxic-waste-literally/
    They are locked into the glass. Which means that nothing will come out in geological periods of time.

    We know this because of analysis of volcanic glasses.

    So even if you are planing on slowly licking a solar panel for several hundred million years, you will be ok.
    ‘Solar panel licker’ feels like a very 21st century insult.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,403
    edited October 21
    Foxy said:

    Having failed to repeat the trick of 2010 Coalition on blaming the previous government, it seems it full scale BREEXXXITTTTTT is responsible for every problem...Patriotic Renewal was so last week.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/21/reeves-says-economic-damage-caused-by-brexit-forcing-her-to-take-action-in-budget

    To be fair, over 60% of the public agree.
    Every problem? Well we will see if it helps their polling numbers more than the "last lot left us a big steaming poo" (which wasn't untrue), but making it worse wasn't on the scorecard.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,286
    edited October 21
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Miliband's got a local problem to deal with first:

    Three MPs have criticised plans for a 3,500-acre solar farm between Doncaster and Rotherham.

    The project, named Whitestone Solar Farm, would stretch across a number of separate parcels of land and could power 250,000 homes.

    However, local MPs John Healey, Sarah Champion and Jake Richards have all raised concerns about the size and location of the scheme.

    ...


    Healey, Labour MP for Rawmarsh and Conisbrough, told project developer Green Nation in a letter that the scheme did not meet his expectations, according to the Local Democracy Reporting Service.

    "In my view, every project must still meet three tests: it must be proportionate, it must be safe, and it must be fair - Whitestone fails all three," he said.

    He said it was "the wrong scale of scheme in the wrong place".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e246pdgzo

    I'm struggling to think of ways in which the solar farm won't be safe... Solar (photovoltaic) panels are -one would think- by far the "safest" form of electricity generation. There's no swinging blades at high height; there's no radioactive byproducts; there's no high pressure, high temperature steam; there's no slag heap.

    What is the safety aspect that Mr Healey is concerned about?

    I mean, you can take issue regarding their cost or location or the opportunity cost of not using the location for (say) housing. But safety... I mean... what?
    "According to cancer biologist David H. Nguyen, PhD, toxic chemicals in solar panels include cadmium telluride, copper indium selenide, cadmium gallium (di)selenide, copper indium gallium (di)selenide, hexafluoroethane, lead, and polyvinyl fluoride. Silicon tetrachloride, a byproduct of producing crystalline silicon, is also highly toxic."

    https://www.americanexperiment.org/solar-panels-produce-tons-of-toxic-waste-literally/
    Hang on.

    The vast majority of those chemicals are the ones found in thin film solar panels, not the ones found in silicon photovoltaics.

    Thin film solar *was* a big thing: it was cheap, but low efficiency, and was created by using deposition to put down a very thin layer of cadmium telluride (or equivalent) on top of a glass substrate.

    But the collapsing price of solar photovoltaics has completely destryoed the thin film solar business.

    Silicon tetrachloride is a (theoretical) risk. But it's so far up the manufacturing process, that I would be staggered if any made it into the final product. 
    I think I've recommended Asianometry to you before, but if not...

    https://youtube.com/@asianometry
    https://www.asianometry.com/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,920
    edited October 21
    Yougov now has the Greens AHEAD with 18-24s, fractionally in front of Labour in second with the LDs third and the Tories and Reform joint 4th.

    Labour and Reform are tied with 25-49s just ahead of the Greens with the Tories and LDs tied on 15% for 4th.

    Reform lead comfortably with 50-64s with the Greens 5th and over 65s see Reform narrowly ahead of the Conservatives with the LDs third, Labour a disastrous 4th now with pensioners and the Greens again 5th barely ahead of the SNP


    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/voting-intention?crossBreak=65plus
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,403
    HYUFD said:

    Yougov now has the Greens AHEAD with 18-24s, fractionally of Labour with the LDs third and the Tories and Reform joint 4th.

    Labour and Reform are tied with 25-49s just ahead of the Greens with the Tories and LDs tied on 15% for 4th.

    Reform lead comfortably with 50-64s with the Greens 5th and over 65s see Reform narrowly ahead of the Conservatives with the LDs third, Labour a disastrous 4th now with pensioners and the Greens again 5th barely ahead of the SNP


    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/voting-intention?crossBreak=65plus

    Given 16/17 year olds will be able to vote, why are we not doing 16-24 in polling?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,403
    edited October 21
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/21/openai-chatgpt-web-browser-atlas

    Is this an admission that ChatGPT interface isn't going to replace the traditional web surfing / googling? The likes of Plerplexity are out of business though.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,286

    carnforth said:

    On Clarkson:

    Isn't the key tension between Clarkson the man and Clarkson the character? Becoming an MP is exactly the sort of thing that Jezza, the lead personality of the (scripted reality/fictional) Jezza Show might do, but the real human being? Not sure, but he probably has more sense. In any case, the gap between the character and the man might piss off his supporters. (See also, that unreality star "Boris").

    If he made a show about running for office (and season two was him being an MP) I bet it would be a hit.
    Television might be a factor. Also, is Clarkson not a friend of David Cameron?
    Yes he is, although it might be "acquaintance" instead of "friend". Rich people don't necessarily form friendships like poor people do, it's more like networking. Having said that though, Helena Bonham Carter is apparently a real friend of the Cameron's, oddly enuf.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,271
    edited October 21
    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Our latest Westminster voting intention (19-20 Oct) has the Greens on their highest figure ever recorded by YouGov

    Reform UK: 26% (-1 from 12-13 Oct)
    Labour: 20% (=)
    Conservatives: 17% (=)
    Lib Dems: 15% (-1)
    Greens: 15% (+2)
    SNP: 4% (+1)

    https://x.com/yougov/status/1980596985192427849?s=61&t=c6bcp0cjChLfQN5Tc8A_6g

    The lowest score for the fascists with any pollster for at least 5 months. Should we be celebrating?

    Still would give Reform 316 MPs though and comfortably most seats in a hung parliament.

    Labour projected 136, the LDs 71 and the Tories 49 and the Greens still behind even the SNP on 12 MPs to 36 for the Nationalists despite their 15% voteshare
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=17&LAB=20&LIB=15&Reform=26&Green=15&UKIP=&TVCON=100&TVLAB=100&TVLIB=100&TVReform=100&TVGreen=100&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    Predictably, you are not using the Scottish sub-sample figures which if included give the SNP 51 seats to 5 LibDem and a lonely Ian Murray! Oh, and reduces Reform to 303.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,162
    Who cares what the British people think about Clarkson standing against Miliband. The only thing that matters is what the voters in that particular constituency think about it.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,377

    HYUFD said:

    Yougov now has the Greens AHEAD with 18-24s, fractionally of Labour with the LDs third and the Tories and Reform joint 4th.

    Labour and Reform are tied with 25-49s just ahead of the Greens with the Tories and LDs tied on 15% for 4th.

    Reform lead comfortably with 50-64s with the Greens 5th and over 65s see Reform narrowly ahead of the Conservatives with the LDs third, Labour a disastrous 4th now with pensioners and the Greens again 5th barely ahead of the SNP


    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/voting-intention?crossBreak=65plus

    Given 16/17 year olds will be able to vote, why are we not doing 16-24 in polling?
    Because the law hasn't been changed yet
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,286

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/21/openai-chatgpt-web-browser-atlas

    Is this an admission that ChatGPT interface isn't going to replace the traditional web surfing / googling? The likes of Plerplexity are out of business though.

    A pity if so. Perplexity.ai is a *lot* better than ChatGPT at R/SAS/Stata coding.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,727
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Miliband's got a local problem to deal with first:

    Three MPs have criticised plans for a 3,500-acre solar farm between Doncaster and Rotherham.

    The project, named Whitestone Solar Farm, would stretch across a number of separate parcels of land and could power 250,000 homes.

    However, local MPs John Healey, Sarah Champion and Jake Richards have all raised concerns about the size and location of the scheme.

    ...


    Healey, Labour MP for Rawmarsh and Conisbrough, told project developer Green Nation in a letter that the scheme did not meet his expectations, according to the Local Democracy Reporting Service.

    "In my view, every project must still meet three tests: it must be proportionate, it must be safe, and it must be fair - Whitestone fails all three," he said.

    He said it was "the wrong scale of scheme in the wrong place".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e246pdgzo

    I'm struggling to think of ways in which the solar farm won't be safe... Solar (photovoltaic) panels are -one would think- by far the "safest" form of electricity generation. There's no swinging blades at high height; there's no radioactive byproducts; there's no high pressure, high temperature steam; there's no slag heap.

    What is the safety aspect that Mr Healey is concerned about?

    I mean, you can take issue regarding their cost or location or the opportunity cost of not using the location for (say) housing. But safety... I mean... what?
    "According to cancer biologist David H. Nguyen, PhD, toxic chemicals in solar panels include cadmium telluride, copper indium selenide, cadmium gallium (di)selenide, copper indium gallium (di)selenide, hexafluoroethane, lead, and polyvinyl fluoride. Silicon tetrachloride, a byproduct of producing crystalline silicon, is also highly toxic."

    https://www.americanexperiment.org/solar-panels-produce-tons-of-toxic-waste-literally/
    Have you ever considered the toxic of the petrochemical alternatives? These are gases, volatile liquids and particulates so much more likely to be ingested.

    It
    Silicon tetrachloride will convert (very enthusiastically) to Silicon Dioxide and Hydrochloric acid when it contacts water. So there is no way that any of that will hanging around for long.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,885

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/21/openai-chatgpt-web-browser-atlas

    Is this an admission that ChatGPT interface isn't going to replace the traditional web surfing / googling? The likes of Plerplexity are out of business though.

    I wonder if they’re planning to launch a search engine?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,476
    Foxy said:

    Having failed to repeat the trick of 2010 Coalition on blaming the previous government, it seems it full scale BREEXXXITTTTTT is responsible for every problem...Patriotic Renewal was so last week.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/21/reeves-says-economic-damage-caused-by-brexit-forcing-her-to-take-action-in-budget

    To be fair, over 60% of the public agree.
    Doesn't make them any more right than the 52% who voted for it.

    You could say that one was before implementation and one after - but how much of the 60% is about airport queues not the economy?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,920
    edited October 21
    sarissa said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Our latest Westminster voting intention (19-20 Oct) has the Greens on their highest figure ever recorded by YouGov

    Reform UK: 26% (-1 from 12-13 Oct)
    Labour: 20% (=)
    Conservatives: 17% (=)
    Lib Dems: 15% (-1)
    Greens: 15% (+2)
    SNP: 4% (+1)

    https://x.com/yougov/status/1980596985192427849?s=61&t=c6bcp0cjChLfQN5Tc8A_6g

    The lowest score for the fascists with any pollster for at least 5 months. Should we be celebrating?

    Still would give Reform 316 MPs though and comfortably most seats in a hung parliament.

    Labour projected 136, the LDs 71 and the Tories 49 and the Greens still behind even the SNP on 12 MPs to 36 for the Nationalists despite their 15% voteshare
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=17&LAB=20&LIB=15&Reform=26&Green=15&UKIP=&TVCON=100&TVLAB=100&TVLIB=100&TVReform=100&TVGreen=100&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    Predictably, you are not using the Scottish sub-sample figures which if included give the SNP 51 seats to 5 LibDem and a lonely Ian Murray! Oh, and reduces Reform to 303.
    The Scottish Yougov sub sample gives the SNP only 39%, less than 2019 and 2015
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,403
    edited October 21
    Foss said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/21/openai-chatgpt-web-browser-atlas

    Is this an admission that ChatGPT interface isn't going to replace the traditional web surfing / googling? The likes of Plerplexity are out of business though.

    I wonder if they’re planning to launch a search engine?
    That could be a) a way to make money without having to ask everybody for a subscription, b) way to get real world data and c) provide some sort of moat.

    Little know fact, the much derided Bing is actually very profitable for Microsoft. It is quietly in lots of their products and licensed to lots of other businesses.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,661
    edited October 21
    Arsenal fans asking Athletico Madrid if they are Spurs in disguise. Surely the ultimate insult in north London.

    Now 4-0
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,656
    It was Starmer who choose Wormald, to replace the disastrous Simon Case (appointed essentially by Dominic Cummings).

    Another shit appointment from Starmer.
    It beggars belief.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,661

    It was Starmer who choose Wormald, to replace the disastrous Simon Case (appointed essentially by Dominic Cummings).

    Another shit appointment from Starmer.
    It beggars belief.

    I thought Gandalf sorted him out?
  • TresTres Posts: 3,146
    rcs1000 said:

    2 experienced prosecutors looked at the case against Letitia James and decided it was insufficient to bring charges. One of these was the relevant Attorney for the district. He soon resigned before being sacked. Trump then appointed one of his personal attorneys, Halligan, to the job, someone with zero prosecution experience. She, at Trump’s instruction, launched the case against James.

    You have to be drinking deeply from the well of MAGA propaganda to believe any of this is appropriate.

    Halligan went to a grand jury to get an indictment. James’s great-niece testified before that jury that she lives in the house and doesn’t pay rent. The jury appears to have refused to support an indictment. It appears Halligan then tried a new grand jury, this time without the niece testifying, and managed to secure an indictment.

    I struggle to understand what Trump thinks he's going to achieve with these. I always thought the Trump prosecutions were (politically) incredibly dumb. The same is true of these.

    There is no way that Comey isn't going to walk.

    I woulde be extremely surprised if Latetia James doesn't get the big NG too.

    And there are going to be a whole bunch of real criminals who don't end up being convicted because the US attorneys' offices are hollowed out because all the career prosecutors left rather than pursue doomed cases. How is that a vote winning strategy?
    what makes you think he's intending on relying on what the voters think and do?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,421
    edited October 21
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Miliband's got a local problem to deal with first:

    Three MPs have criticised plans for a 3,500-acre solar farm between Doncaster and Rotherham.

    The project, named Whitestone Solar Farm, would stretch across a number of separate parcels of land and could power 250,000 homes.

    However, local MPs John Healey, Sarah Champion and Jake Richards have all raised concerns about the size and location of the scheme.

    ...


    Healey, Labour MP for Rawmarsh and Conisbrough, told project developer Green Nation in a letter that the scheme did not meet his expectations, according to the Local Democracy Reporting Service.

    "In my view, every project must still meet three tests: it must be proportionate, it must be safe, and it must be fair - Whitestone fails all three," he said.

    He said it was "the wrong scale of scheme in the wrong place".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5e246pdgzo

    I'm struggling to think of ways in which the solar farm won't be safe... Solar (photovoltaic) panels are -one would think- by far the "safest" form of electricity generation. There's no swinging blades at high height; there's no radioactive byproducts; there's no high pressure, high temperature steam; there's no slag heap.

    What is the safety aspect that Mr Healey is concerned about?

    I mean, you can take issue regarding their cost or location or the opportunity cost of not using the location for (say) housing. But safety... I mean... what?
    Burden of proof. First do no harm. It's not fair. The precautionary principle. It's not environmentally friendly. Have you done an impact assessment? An equality assessment? What about the bats? The worms? The fauna? The owls? I demand a judicial review of your decision. I find this offensive and a violation of my dignity. I'll launch a petition. I'll launch a crowd funder. A Patreon. I'll launch an appeal. Another appeal. DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!!!

    Like, share and subscribe... ☹️
    The problem isn't really the list of things that might cause trouble, it is how long they are allowed to cause trouble for.

    What it needs is someone with a bit of knowledge who can say - OK - put in a green corridor along the footpath there, create a new footpath along the old railway, don't cut down those trees, fund a beaver compound at the old reservoir, enhance the streams a bit, and you can start next week.

    Incidentally, the whole of this site (Conisbrough Parks) was threatened by a monster opencast mine in the past, which would have then been turned into a waste tip. This was stopped by planning and a concerted campaign (CRUSADE, it was called). Perhaps there's still some antipathy to development left over from that, although obviously the destruction would have been on a different scale.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,672

    It was Starmer who choose Wormald, to replace the disastrous Simon Case (appointed essentially by Dominic Cummings).

    Another shit appointment from Starmer.
    It beggars belief.

    It's almost as if it isn't the staff that are the problem.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,403
    Irish police have come under attack at a protest outside a hotel used to house asylum seekers in Dublin. Footage from the scene at the Citywest Hotel showed a police vehicle on fire.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c629zg8v8jpo
  • TresTres Posts: 3,146

    Having failed to repeat the trick of 2010 Coalition on blaming the previous government, it seems it full scale BREEXXXITTTTTT is responsible for every problem...Patriotic Renewal was so last week.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/21/reeves-says-economic-damage-caused-by-brexit-forcing-her-to-take-action-in-budget

    let me count the number of items on my shelves with 'not for EU' stamped on them
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,987
    Nigelb said:

    nico67 said:

    moonshine said:

    algarkirk said:

    moonshine said:

    algarkirk said:

    I don't think it can happen. Clarkson isn't dim. He will think about what's involved in being an MP and decline.

    The one thinkable route is as a celeb addition to the Reform circus, with a promise that he will be a minister with a Reform manifesto for transport crafted around Clarkson populism. But I think this is a QTWTAIN.

    He wouldnt want the transport job, he would want the Defra job. And I suspect he’d do it very well. Whether Farage wants him pissing inside his tent is quite another question. And I’m pretty unsure whether Clarkson would want to be inside that tent rather than just being the axeman for Miliband. But stranger things have happened.
    It's not a great time for normal people who have lives to enter politics. Real success is not really in sight, so it's a career for chancers and so on. Commentary, punditry and journalism is one thing; but in current politics if you get anywhere worth getting, there is a very very high chance you and your reputation are going to go down with the ship.

    On the contrary. It’s exactly the time for people who have lived real lives and careers to enter politics and potentially make a massive difference on chosen areas of policy.

    The major parties are leaving a vacuum and on current polling, Reform looking like getting a strong majority but without a long established party of careerists ready to climb the greasy pole.

    Reform are seeking out what they see as top tier talent for background policy advisory roles but more if the person wants it. Clarkson well might be like everyone else that isn’t an #FBPE weirdo and have come to terms with the existential grief of leaving a continental customs union and single market.
    The single market and customs union re the economy are not the main reasons Remainers wanted to stay in the EU . It was about so much more than the economy .
    It was psychological. Those pushing for EU integration had/have successfully manipulated such people into a state where not supporting EU membership would seriously undermine their sense of self - it would make them part of an uncivilised mongol horde. That's why you cannot deploy logic or facts in an argument with a remainer.
    Look in the mirror, Mr Dogma.
    Not a fair comment. My bottom line is that Britain is my country, my demos, and that which is meant to keep me safe - so I want it to succeed. I don't care who delivers that success, and I don't really care about EU membership. I'd take a patriotic Government operating within the EU over a weak one operating outside it any day.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,570

    Irish police have come under attack at a protest outside a hotel used to house asylum seekers in Dublin. Footage from the scene at the Citywest Hotel showed a police vehicle on fire.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c629zg8v8jpo

    There is a story about a rape that seems to have triggered the riot - how accurate that story is I don't know but the story was tailor made to trigger such a riot...
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,476
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,578
    @chadloder.bsky.social‬

    "US Marshal shot during immigration enforcement in LA"

    * article explains he was shot by an ICE officer whose weapon discharged when he used it to smash a car window

    https://bsky.app/profile/chadloder.bsky.social/post/3m3q66vvb3k26
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,885

    Foss said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/21/openai-chatgpt-web-browser-atlas

    Is this an admission that ChatGPT interface isn't going to replace the traditional web surfing / googling? The likes of Plerplexity are out of business though.

    I wonder if they’re planning to launch a search engine?
    That could be a) a way to make money without having to ask everybody for a subscription, b) way to get real world data and c) provide some sort of moat.

    Little know fact, the much derided Bing is actually very profitable for Microsoft. It is quietly in lots of their products and licensed to lots of other businesses.
    Chatgpt is really rather good as a search engine and, after what they apparently did to theirs, google deserves a bit of a kicking.

    It’s just a shame it’s another Chromium-based browser.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,403
    edited October 21
    Foss said:

    Foss said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/21/openai-chatgpt-web-browser-atlas

    Is this an admission that ChatGPT interface isn't going to replace the traditional web surfing / googling? The likes of Plerplexity are out of business though.

    I wonder if they’re planning to launch a search engine?
    That could be a) a way to make money without having to ask everybody for a subscription, b) way to get real world data and c) provide some sort of moat.

    Little know fact, the much derided Bing is actually very profitable for Microsoft. It is quietly in lots of their products and licensed to lots of other businesses.
    Chatgpt is really rather good as a search engine and, after what they apparently did to theirs, google deserves a bit of a kicking.

    It’s just a shame it’s another Chromium-based browser.
    Yeap, Chromium based browsers now seem like the other games in town. Microsoft Edge is, I think every other "AI" browser is. Firefox isn't, but its gone down hill massively and the forks of Firefox are even worse / scammy.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,162
    "The public deserves better - Met phone theft lead

    The Metropolitan Police's newly appointed lead on phone theft says its work in tackling the crime has not been "good enough". Just over 1% of phone thefts in London result in a charge or conviction, according to the force's data, compared with 11% for robberies."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly9l9e50kzo
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,421

    Foss said:

    Foss said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/21/openai-chatgpt-web-browser-atlas

    Is this an admission that ChatGPT interface isn't going to replace the traditional web surfing / googling? The likes of Plerplexity are out of business though.

    I wonder if they’re planning to launch a search engine?
    That could be a) a way to make money without having to ask everybody for a subscription, b) way to get real world data and c) provide some sort of moat.

    Little know fact, the much derided Bing is actually very profitable for Microsoft. It is quietly in lots of their products and licensed to lots of other businesses.
    Chatgpt is really rather good as a search engine and, after what they apparently did to theirs, google deserves a bit of a kicking.

    It’s just a shame it’s another Chromium-based browser.
    Yeap, Chromium based browsers now seem like the other games in town. Microsoft Edge is, I think every other "AI" browser is. Firefox isn't, but its gone down hill massively and the forks of Firefox are even worse / scammy.
    I still use Firefox because, er, extensions still work, although a PiHole takes care of most of the rubbish anyway.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,162
    carnforth said:
    Probably heading for a recount between Plaid and Reform, with maybe an increased turnout compared to the last election.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,421
    edited October 21
    Scott_xP said:

    @haynesdeborah

    BREAKING: Ukraine confirms “massive” missile and air strike - including with British-made Storm Shadow cruise missiles - against a chemical plant in Russia’s Bryansk region that’s key for making explosives used in Russian weapons

    https://x.com/haynesdeborah/status/1980727852745257075

    If they've used Storm Shadow against a site in Russia, something must have changed?

    I thought we weren't letting them do that.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,051
    Andy_JS said:

    "The public deserves better - Met phone theft lead

    The Metropolitan Police's newly appointed lead on phone theft says its work in tackling the crime has not been "good enough". Just over 1% of phone thefts in London result in a charge or conviction, according to the force's data, compared with 11% for robberies."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly9l9e50kzo

    I'm staggered it's even 1%!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,051
    @viewcode - thanks for the Asianometry videos. They remind me of mine :smile:
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,525

    Foss said:

    Foss said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/21/openai-chatgpt-web-browser-atlas

    Is this an admission that ChatGPT interface isn't going to replace the traditional web surfing / googling? The likes of Plerplexity are out of business though.

    I wonder if they’re planning to launch a search engine?
    That could be a) a way to make money without having to ask everybody for a subscription, b) way to get real world data and c) provide some sort of moat.

    Little know fact, the much derided Bing is actually very profitable for Microsoft. It is quietly in lots of their products and licensed to lots of other businesses.
    Chatgpt is really rather good as a search engine and, after what they apparently did to theirs, google deserves a bit of a kicking.

    It’s just a shame it’s another Chromium-based browser.
    Yeap, Chromium based browsers now seem like the other games in town. Microsoft Edge is, I think every other "AI" browser is. Firefox isn't, but its gone down hill massively and the forks of Firefox are even worse / scammy.
    Atlas is on Mac first.

    Now that is interesting.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,525
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadloder.bsky.social‬

    "US Marshal shot during immigration enforcement in LA"

    * article explains he was shot by an ICE officer whose weapon discharged when he used it to smash a car window

    https://bsky.app/profile/chadloder.bsky.social/post/3m3q66vvb3k26

    Siri, show me keystone cops.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,312

    Foss said:

    Foss said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/21/openai-chatgpt-web-browser-atlas

    Is this an admission that ChatGPT interface isn't going to replace the traditional web surfing / googling? The likes of Plerplexity are out of business though.

    I wonder if they’re planning to launch a search engine?
    That could be a) a way to make money without having to ask everybody for a subscription, b) way to get real world data and c) provide some sort of moat.

    Little know fact, the much derided Bing is actually very profitable for Microsoft. It is quietly in lots of their products and licensed to lots of other businesses.
    Chatgpt is really rather good as a search engine and, after what they apparently did to theirs, google deserves a bit of a kicking.

    It’s just a shame it’s another Chromium-based browser.
    Yeap, Chromium based browsers now seem like the other games in town. Microsoft Edge is, I think every other "AI" browser is. Firefox isn't, but its gone down hill massively and the forks of Firefox are even worse / scammy.
    On Bing: I used to use Bing several times a day, for tbe sole reason that their maps site had an OS layer on it. They removed it a couple of weeks ago. I now have no reason to use Bing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,403
    edited October 21

    Foss said:

    Foss said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/21/openai-chatgpt-web-browser-atlas

    Is this an admission that ChatGPT interface isn't going to replace the traditional web surfing / googling? The likes of Plerplexity are out of business though.

    I wonder if they’re planning to launch a search engine?
    That could be a) a way to make money without having to ask everybody for a subscription, b) way to get real world data and c) provide some sort of moat.

    Little know fact, the much derided Bing is actually very profitable for Microsoft. It is quietly in lots of their products and licensed to lots of other businesses.
    Chatgpt is really rather good as a search engine and, after what they apparently did to theirs, google deserves a bit of a kicking.

    It’s just a shame it’s another Chromium-based browser.
    Yeap, Chromium based browsers now seem like the other games in town. Microsoft Edge is, I think every other "AI" browser is. Firefox isn't, but its gone down hill massively and the forks of Firefox are even worse / scammy.
    Atlas is on Mac first.

    Now that is interesting.
    I doubt they have any Windows machines in the OpenAI office.....
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,051

    Foss said:

    Foss said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/21/openai-chatgpt-web-browser-atlas

    Is this an admission that ChatGPT interface isn't going to replace the traditional web surfing / googling? The likes of Plerplexity are out of business though.

    I wonder if they’re planning to launch a search engine?
    That could be a) a way to make money without having to ask everybody for a subscription, b) way to get real world data and c) provide some sort of moat.

    Little know fact, the much derided Bing is actually very profitable for Microsoft. It is quietly in lots of their products and licensed to lots of other businesses.
    Chatgpt is really rather good as a search engine and, after what they apparently did to theirs, google deserves a bit of a kicking.

    It’s just a shame it’s another Chromium-based browser.
    Yeap, Chromium based browsers now seem like the other games in town. Microsoft Edge is, I think every other "AI" browser is. Firefox isn't, but its gone down hill massively and the forks of Firefox are even worse / scammy.
    Atlas is on Mac first.

    Now that is interesting.
    I think it reflects the fact that the Mac is continuing to take significant share. And also, of course, that many of the traditional early adopters are now on Mac rather than PC. I made the shift from quite an expensive Windows PC to the cheapest Apple Mac Mini M4. And I must admit, I couldn't be happier.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,298
    edited October 21

    Foss said:

    Foss said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/21/openai-chatgpt-web-browser-atlas

    Is this an admission that ChatGPT interface isn't going to replace the traditional web surfing / googling? The likes of Plerplexity are out of business though.

    I wonder if they’re planning to launch a search engine?
    That could be a) a way to make money without having to ask everybody for a subscription, b) way to get real world data and c) provide some sort of moat.

    Little know fact, the much derided Bing is actually very profitable for Microsoft. It is quietly in lots of their products and licensed to lots of other businesses.
    Chatgpt is really rather good as a search engine and, after what they apparently did to theirs, google deserves a bit of a kicking.

    It’s just a shame it’s another Chromium-based browser.
    Yeap, Chromium based browsers now seem like the other games in town. Microsoft Edge is, I think every other "AI" browser is. Firefox isn't, but its gone down hill massively and the forks of Firefox are even worse / scammy.
    Kagi/Orion is great

  • FossFoss Posts: 1,885

    Foss said:

    Foss said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/21/openai-chatgpt-web-browser-atlas

    Is this an admission that ChatGPT interface isn't going to replace the traditional web surfing / googling? The likes of Plerplexity are out of business though.

    I wonder if they’re planning to launch a search engine?
    That could be a) a way to make money without having to ask everybody for a subscription, b) way to get real world data and c) provide some sort of moat.

    Little know fact, the much derided Bing is actually very profitable for Microsoft. It is quietly in lots of their products and licensed to lots of other businesses.
    Chatgpt is really rather good as a search engine and, after what they apparently did to theirs, google deserves a bit of a kicking.

    It’s just a shame it’s another Chromium-based browser.
    Yeap, Chromium based browsers now seem like the other games in town. Microsoft Edge is, I think every other "AI" browser is. Firefox isn't, but its gone down hill massively and the forks of Firefox are even worse / scammy.
    Atlas is on Mac first.

    Now that is interesting.
    If nothing else, it acts as a traffic cap.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,525
    Foxy said:

    It was Starmer who choose Wormald, to replace the disastrous Simon Case (appointed essentially by Dominic Cummings).

    Another shit appointment from Starmer.
    It beggars belief.

    It's almost as if it isn't the staff that are the problem.
    It was certainly a head scratching appointment.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,421
    Cookie said:

    Foss said:

    Foss said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/21/openai-chatgpt-web-browser-atlas

    Is this an admission that ChatGPT interface isn't going to replace the traditional web surfing / googling? The likes of Plerplexity are out of business though.

    I wonder if they’re planning to launch a search engine?
    That could be a) a way to make money without having to ask everybody for a subscription, b) way to get real world data and c) provide some sort of moat.

    Little know fact, the much derided Bing is actually very profitable for Microsoft. It is quietly in lots of their products and licensed to lots of other businesses.
    Chatgpt is really rather good as a search engine and, after what they apparently did to theirs, google deserves a bit of a kicking.

    It’s just a shame it’s another Chromium-based browser.
    Yeap, Chromium based browsers now seem like the other games in town. Microsoft Edge is, I think every other "AI" browser is. Firefox isn't, but its gone down hill massively and the forks of Firefox are even worse / scammy.
    On Bing: I used to use Bing several times a day, for tbe sole reason that their maps site had an OS layer on it. They removed it a couple of weeks ago. I now have no reason to use Bing.
    I found the OS map came back after I erased the site history. It still works for me.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,162
    "No 10 ‘has lost faith in Britain’s most senior civil servant’

    Keir Starmer’s top team are said to be concerned about Chris Wormald’s performance as cabinet secretary and Downing Street ‘intends to replace him imminently’"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXH6WIIhy9Q
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,670
    edited October 21
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The public deserves better - Met phone theft lead

    The Metropolitan Police's newly appointed lead on phone theft says its work in tackling the crime has not been "good enough". Just over 1% of phone thefts in London result in a charge or conviction, according to the force's data, compared with 11% for robberies."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly9l9e50kzo

    I'm staggered it's even 1%!
    Could be 1% of reported thefts, rather than actual thefts.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,164
    Tres said:

    Having failed to repeat the trick of 2010 Coalition on blaming the previous government, it seems it full scale BREEXXXITTTTTT is responsible for every problem...Patriotic Renewal was so last week.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/21/reeves-says-economic-damage-caused-by-brexit-forcing-her-to-take-action-in-budget

    let me count the number of items on my shelves with 'not for EU' stamped on them
    In my fridge there is a packet of French ham marked 'not for EU'.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,670

    Scott_xP said:

    @haynesdeborah

    BREAKING: Ukraine confirms “massive” missile and air strike - including with British-made Storm Shadow cruise missiles - against a chemical plant in Russia’s Bryansk region that’s key for making explosives used in Russian weapons

    https://x.com/haynesdeborah/status/1980727852745257075

    If they've used Storm Shadow against a site in Russia, something must have changed?

    I thought we weren't letting them do that.
    There was recently an ATACMS strike on a power plant in Belgorod, so I think the restriction on use of Western weapons in Russia was dropped previously.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,670
    edited October 21
    eek said:

    Irish police have come under attack at a protest outside a hotel used to house asylum seekers in Dublin. Footage from the scene at the Citywest Hotel showed a police vehicle on fire.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c629zg8v8jpo

    There is a story about a rape that seems to have triggered the riot - how accurate that story is I don't know but the story was tailor made to trigger such a riot...
    It's this rape, where Gardai are asking for witnesses in the Citywest area.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2025/1021/1539658-dublin-assault-investigation/

    The victim is 10 years old.

    The accused cannot be named, which seems to be normal when the victim is a child, because of a concern that it could lead to identification of the child.

    But in this case it is reported that the accused is not working and requires an Arabic interpreter. So it doesn't take a genius to put that information together and wonder about the (very large) IPAS centre at Citywest. Though that wouldn't excuse a riot in any case.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,578
    The Mad King now wants $230m for losing the election in 2020

    You can't make this shit up
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,578
    @natalieandrews

    NEW: The Trump administration is planning to release more than $3 billion in aid to U.S. farmers that had been frozen as a result of the government shutdown, as the agriculture sector grapples with the fallout from President Trump’s tariffs.

    https://x.com/natalieandrews/status/1980742076406067642
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 26,254
    edited October 21
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford
    EXCLUSIVE:

    Rachel Reeves will launch a £2 billion tax raid on lawyers, family doctors and accountants as she seeks to balance the books by targeting the wealthy

    The chancellor is expected to use the budget to impose a new charge on people who use limited liability partnerships as she tries to fill a £30 billion hole in the public finances

    More than 190,000 workers use partnerships, particularly in the legal world, and they offer a significant tax benefit over ordinary employment. They are not subject to employers' national insurance as partners are treated as self-employed

    Reeves is said to consider this unfair and is expected to announce changes to the system in her budget. She has repeatedly said that 'those with the broadest shoulders' should pay their 'fair share of tax', and many of those who use partnerships are high earners

    Details of the planned tax raid on partnerships were obtained by The State of It, the new political podcast from The Times and The Sunday Times

    More than 13,000 partners earn an average of £1.25 million each a year. Solicitors who draw profits from partnerships make an average of £316,000 a year. The family doctors make £118,000 and accountants an average of £246,000

    Reeves is also expected to push ahead with a mansion tax, imposing capital gains on the sale of main residences for the most expensive properties

    Just merge National Insurance and Income Tax and make everyone pay the same rate of tax, regardless of how they earn it.
    Once again - LLP's big benefit is reducing the amount of EMPLOYER NI not employee...
    Yes, and once again, BOTH forms of NI should be abolished and rolled into Income Tax.

    Employers NI is a form of Income Tax levied only on those gainfully employed. Just as alcohol or fuel duty is a tax on alcohol and fuel. All incomes should face the same tax rate.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,670
    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King now wants $230m for losing the election in 2020

    You can't make this shit up

    Wasn't a purported advantage of having a "billionaire" as President that they wouldn't need to steal money from the government?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,162

    Fuck RFK Jr.

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr. vows to stop the World Economic Forum.

    "Their scheme, which they call the Great Reset, will drain whatever's left in your bank account."

    "They have a plan, but my plan is to stop them."


    https://x.com/redpilldispensr/status/1980250457395065148

    The Trump administration is fully signed up to believing in the Great Reset? Interesting.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,578

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King now wants $230m for losing the election in 2020

    You can't make this shit up

    Wasn't a purported advantage of having a "billionaire" as President that they wouldn't need to steal money from the government?
    And what did they think would happen with a felon as President?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,476
    AnneJGP said:

    Tres said:

    Having failed to repeat the trick of 2010 Coalition on blaming the previous government, it seems it full scale BREEXXXITTTTTT is responsible for every problem...Patriotic Renewal was so last week.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/21/reeves-says-economic-damage-caused-by-brexit-forcing-her-to-take-action-in-budget

    let me count the number of items on my shelves with 'not for EU' stamped on them
    In my fridge there is a packet of French ham marked 'not for EU'.
    A useful reminder that, had MPs voted for May's deal instead of childishly seeking to overturn the referendum result, that would not be required.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King now wants $230m for losing the election in 2020

    You can't make this shit up

    Wasn't a purported advantage of having a "billionaire" as President that they wouldn't need to steal money from the government?
    And what did they think would happen with a felon as President?
    Say it out loud:

    We are a kingdom, led by a king.

    They are a country, led by a ...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,578
    @mrianleslie

    Midweek Ruffian: why do LLMs nearly always pick the number 7 when asked to name a random number?

    https://x.com/mrianleslie/status/1980737806201741403
  • PoodleInASlipstreamPoodleInASlipstream Posts: 537
    edited October 21
    rcs1000 said:

    I think it reflects the fact that the Mac is continuing to take significant share. And also, of course, that many of the traditional early adopters are now on Mac rather than PC. I made the shift from quite an expensive Windows PC to the cheapest Apple Mac Mini M4. And I must admit, I couldn't be happier.

    That doesn't really seem to be supported by the stats. MacOS hovered around 18% market share for a couple of years, but since 2024 has dropped to 14%. I would guess sales of new Macs are holding steady, but a lot of older Intel Macs have been retired lately.

    Despite the ongoing enshittification of Windows, I've always been of the opinion there' a hard cap on Mac adoption. Too much software just isn't available for Macs; almost none of the packages I use for work have Mac versions, it's Windows or Linux. And Apple's continuing erosion of expansion and customisation in Mac hardware doesn't exactly broaden their appeal.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,525
    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King now wants $230m for losing the election in 2020

    You can't make this shit up

    Ethical madness.

    So, normal for Trump 2.0 regime.

    But he has said the money will go to charity.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,525
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King now wants $230m for losing the election in 2020

    You can't make this shit up

    Wasn't a purported advantage of having a "billionaire" as President that they wouldn't need to steal money from the government?
    And what did they think would happen with a felon as President?
    This is more concerning I think:

    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    ·
    48m
    Trump: "We can never let what happened in the 2020 election happen again. We just can't let that happen. I know Kash is working on it, everybody is working on it. And certainly Tulsi is working on it. We can't let that happen again to our country."

    https://x.com/atrupar
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,670
    Scott_xP said:

    @mrianleslie

    Midweek Ruffian: why do LLMs nearly always pick the number 7 when asked to name a random number?

    https://x.com/mrianleslie/status/1980737806201741403

    That's fascinating. As well as being bullshit generators we can also say that LLMs are cliche machines and engines of conformity and banality.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,824
    Scott_xP said:

    @mrianleslie

    Midweek Ruffian: why do LLMs nearly always pick the number 7 when asked to name a random number?

    https://x.com/mrianleslie/status/1980737806201741403

    Because that’s what people do?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,276
    Clarkson is actually from England's largest city unlike London born Ed ;)
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,439

    Scott_xP said:

    @mrianleslie

    Midweek Ruffian: why do LLMs nearly always pick the number 7 when asked to name a random number?

    https://x.com/mrianleslie/status/1980737806201741403

    That's fascinating. As well as being bullshit generators we can also say that LLMs are cliche machines and engines of conformity and banality.
    Just like humans
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,403
    edited October 21

    Scott_xP said:

    @mrianleslie

    Midweek Ruffian: why do LLMs nearly always pick the number 7 when asked to name a random number?

    https://x.com/mrianleslie/status/1980737806201741403

    Because that’s what people do?
    The pick an odd number from 1 to 100 with two different digits....massive bias to 37....
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,662

    Scott_xP said:

    @mrianleslie

    Midweek Ruffian: why do LLMs nearly always pick the number 7 when asked to name a random number?

    https://x.com/mrianleslie/status/1980737806201741403

    Because that’s what people do?
    The pick an odd number from 1 to 100 with two different digits....massive bias to 37....
    Lots of Class 37 fans out there.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,824
    Pulpstar said:

    Clarkson is actually from England's largest city unlike London born Ed ;)

    Betraying my ignorance but I don’t understand. Isn’t London the largest city in England?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,824

    Scott_xP said:

    @mrianleslie

    Midweek Ruffian: why do LLMs nearly always pick the number 7 when asked to name a random number?

    https://x.com/mrianleslie/status/1980737806201741403

    Because that’s what people do?
    The pick an odd number from 1 to 100 with two different digits....massive bias to 37....
    Lots of Class 37 fans out there.
    Just something about a 37. Like a good version of the deltic.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,525
    I guess it doesn't get more insulting in the military world:

    Some of the sources [to Washington Times] have a perception that Hegseth "operates with a junior officer’s mentality" that causes him to micromanage policies and focus on petty things like facial hair standards.


    https://x.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/1980678029966995823
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