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  • AnthonyTAnthonyT Posts: 224
    edited October 17

    Foxy said:

    Your Party website is up, with a host of tentative policies and rules - still quite generic but moving forward (founding conference is in 6 weeks):

    https://www.yourparty.uk/about/

    I remain interested but non-committal until after the conference. It's taken the opposite approach from Reform, which had Farage cheerily sketching policies off the cuff and modifying them as he went along - this one is determinedly member-led and consequently slow to lay down detailed policies. There are a host of regional conferences before the national one building up. We'll see...

    Not tempted by Polanski's Green Party? He smashed it out of the park on #BBCQT last week, and this sort of Social Media presence is just what the country needs:

    https://bsky.app/profile/zackpolanski.bsky.social/post/3m3dag3xh2s2o
    He's a bit too ready for anything, without much concern about the impact, but I'm impressed by his readiness to think outside the traditional Green agenda.
    Believe in the science when it comes to climate change. Don't believe in the science when it comes to biology. Ignore the law despite losing court cases and having to pay damages to those whose rights my party has breached. Vote for us for incoherent nonsense.

    Oh - and when one of my MPs (Sian Berry) issues a statement (last week) which blames the female victims of violence for the violence done to them by violent men - a version of "she was asking for it 'cos of the short skirt she was wearing" - I say nothing.

    Is this the "readiness to think outside the traditional Green agenda "you're impressed by, Nick?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,311
    edited October 17
    Andy_JS said:

    Although the Andrew story is important, I think the China story is far more important. So guess which one the media seems to be devoting more attention to.

    A football match....
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,549
    AnthonyT said:

    Foxy said:

    Your Party website is up, with a host of tentative policies and rules - still quite generic but moving forward (founding conference is in 6 weeks):

    https://www.yourparty.uk/about/

    I remain interested but non-committal until after the conference. It's taken the opposite approach from Reform, which had Farage cheerily sketching policies off the cuff and modifying them as he went along - this one is determinedly member-led and consequently slow to lay down detailed policies. There are a host of regional conferences before the national one building up. We'll see...

    Not tempted by Polanski's Green Party? He smashed it out of the park on #BBCQT last week, and this sort of Social Media presence is just what the country needs:

    https://bsky.app/profile/zackpolanski.bsky.social/post/3m3dag3xh2s2o
    He's a bit too ready for anything, without much concern about the impact, but I'm impressed by his readiness to think outside the traditional Green agenda.
    Believe in the science when it comes to climate change. Don't believe in the science when it comes to biology. Ignore the law despite losing court cases and having to pay damages to those whose rights my party has breached. Vote for us for incoherent nonsense.

    Oh - and when one of my MPs (Sian Berry) issues a statement (last week) which blames the female victims of violence for the violence done to them by violent men - a version of "she was asking for it 'cos of the short skirt she was wearing" - I say nothing.

    Is this the "readiness to think outside the traditional Green agenda "you're impressed by, Nick?
    What did Berry (my electoral nemesis) say?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,507
    geoffw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Trump, after meeting with
    @ZelenskyyUa
    , says both Ukraine and Russia should just stop fighting. "They should stop where they are. Let both claim Victory, let History decide! No more shooting, no more Death, no more vast and unsustainable sums of money spent."

    He's not going to let them have Tomahawks is he?

    Putin won't let him
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,106
    viewcode said:

    I am on my Friday train. it was rammed packed at the beginning, so I had to sit in First 'cos I couldn't get to the other coaches. But now it's thinned out so I'm back in Second with the other poors. First has got a shit-ton more legroom and elbow-room, I'll tell you that.

    Lucky you, I sat on the floor for a 90 minute journey today.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,495

    Andy_JS said:

    Although the Andrew story is important, I think the China story is far more important. So guess which one the media seems to be devoting more attention to.

    A football match....
    To be fair, the China story is basically incomprehensible to the vast majority and I include myself.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,495

    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump
    ·
    51s
    🚨 BREAKING: Trump signs a commutation releasing disgraced former GOP Rep. George Santos from prison.

    “Good luck George, have a great life!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,223
    They've produced a drone version of the Blackhawk. It's called the "U-Hawk"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIa3w94tV7M (29mins)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,223
    MattW said:

    There's an interesting conversation about the historical importance of Trump with Neil Ferguson, Victor Davis Hanson and Stephen Kotkin from the Hoover Institution.

    Exploring topics including Donald Trump’s second term and the transformation of the Republican Party, relations between China and Taiwan, America’s fiscal crisis, the current state of universities, and the upcoming 250th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence, this wide-ranging and often passionate conversation dives deep into history, politics, and the fate of Western civilization.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Gm1OR2SPg

    Saw it Thursday: https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5350940/#Comment_5350940

    :)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,106
    edited October 17
    Did I just hear right, Nigel Farage apparently saying "Listen, love" to Mishal Husain?

    At around 2250.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbctwo
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,495


    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump
    ·
    51s
    🚨 BREAKING: Trump signs a commutation releasing disgraced former GOP Rep. George Santos from prison.

    “Good luck George, have a great life!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

    A massively corrupt liar.

    And George Santos is no saint either.
    When this is all over, and I could be talking a decade or two from now; it is essential the forces for democracy and faith in the founding fathers enact a massive restriction on presidential pardons and commutations.

    Was the presidential pardon the logical error that Kurt Gödel found in the constitution??

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,106
    Andy_JS said:

    Did I just hear right, Nigel Farage apparently saying "Listen, love" to Mishal Husain?

    At around 2250.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbctwo

    YouTube clip.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ucKufRA12tM
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,495
    Trump approval: 37-61

    MSNBC
  • isamisam Posts: 42,834
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Did I just hear right, Nigel Farage apparently saying "Listen, love" to Mishal Husain?

    At around 2250.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbctwo

    YouTube clip.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ucKufRA12tM
    It sounds like he did say that. Not something you hear much nowadays

    I don’t think I have ever called anyone ‘love’ ‘darling’ ‘babe’ or such like, I find it a bit cringey
  • AnthonyTAnthonyT Posts: 224

    AnthonyT said:

    Foxy said:

    Your Party website is up, with a host of tentative policies and rules - still quite generic but moving forward (founding conference is in 6 weeks):

    https://www.yourparty.uk/about/

    I remain interested but non-committal until after the conference. It's taken the opposite approach from Reform, which had Farage cheerily sketching policies off the cuff and modifying them as he went along - this one is determinedly member-led and consequently slow to lay down detailed policies. There are a host of regional conferences before the national one building up. We'll see...

    Not tempted by Polanski's Green Party? He smashed it out of the park on #BBCQT last week, and this sort of Social Media presence is just what the country needs:

    https://bsky.app/profile/zackpolanski.bsky.social/post/3m3dag3xh2s2o
    He's a bit too ready for anything, without much concern about the impact, but I'm impressed by his readiness to think outside the traditional Green agenda.
    Believe in the science when it comes to climate change. Don't believe in the science when it comes to biology. Ignore the law despite losing court cases and having to pay damages to those whose rights my party has breached. Vote for us for incoherent nonsense.

    Oh - and when one of my MPs (Sian Berry) issues a statement (last week) which blames the female victims of violence for the violence done to them by violent men - a version of "she was asking for it 'cos of the short skirt she was wearing" - I say nothing.

    Is this the "readiness to think outside the traditional Green agenda "you're impressed by, Nick?
    What did Berry (my electoral nemesis) say?
    https://x.com/sianberry/status/1976671744292438483?s=61&t=wWWeJB3W_ksMJK4LA1OvkA

    After the conference centre where a feminist conference was being held had its windows smashed and paint thrown at it. Those responsible stated that while paint washes off blood does not and have made other threats. Berry did not condemn those carrying out this but those who had the temerity to have a lawful conference discussing issues such as sexual violence and surrogacy.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,106
    edited October 17
    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Did I just hear right, Nigel Farage apparently saying "Listen, love" to Mishal Husain?

    At around 2250.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbctwo

    YouTube clip.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ucKufRA12tM
    It sounds like he did say that. Not something you hear much nowadays

    I don’t think I have ever called anyone ‘love’ ‘darling’ ‘babe’ or such like, I find it a bit cringey
    I'd love to see a video of uptight Americans visiting Derbyshire and wondering why everyone's calling them duck. 🙂
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,399
    edited October 17

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Last week, after some consideration, I took two books to the charity shop (Band of Brothers, and a book by Robert Harris) Now I find out that Marie LeConte eliminated 36 in the same fashion, leaving only 130. This concerns me. The solution to TooManyBooks is MoreShelves, not LessBooks. You can buy them from Argos.

    https://bsky.app/profile/youngvulgarian.marieleconte.com/post/3m3g6uyrejk26

    Trouble isn't having too many books, it's carrying on buying more after all the shelves are full. Eventually you need to build an extension to house all the new shelves.
    There's no point owning a book that you are never going to read again.

    Pass it on so that someone else can read it.
    I have been going through my parent's book collection with a view to doing something with it. A lot of it was already inherited once.

    There are quite a few first edition Agatha Christies, which because I now know they are first editions can't be read by anyone, but can decorate a bookshelf. I already have a bookshelf full of New Naturalists which cannot be read, so they can join the party.

    Now, what should I do with lots of political biographies in hardback that were no doubt remaindered in 5 days? Anyone want some tomes full of self-justification?

    I think I'll keep the Thatcher ones, but I have no wish to read anything by Iain Duncan Smith. Does anyone? Or should such things be used to warm the hands on a dark night?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,106
    As a Kansas preacher once apparently said, "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me."
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,190

    Trump approval: 37-61

    MSNBC

    37 is remarkably high for a clown car President.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,348

    Perhaps this has already been noticed, so forgive the repetition if it is, but yesterday in Surrey there were six by-elections. The Lib Dems won all six (which is perhaps to be expected) but the surprise for me is that, on average, the Conservatives polled 15%. That's got to be a cause for concern in Conservative Party HQ. They really ought to be getting a lot more than 15% in Surrey.

    I’ve made my peace that for the next four years elections for the Tories including the general election will be like the first day of the Battle of the Somme.
    Bad on the left flank but highly successful in the south (as long as the French are there)?

    First day of the Somme is both a terrible tragedy and a missed opportunity. The inability to communicate easily to the front and the lack of ability to get follow up troops lost the chance of cracking the front wide open. In the South the cavalry were set to go in, and the line was broken.
    As a student I couldn't process the fact my teacher said British casualties on the first day numbered 57,000.

    To some extent I still cannot.
    Yep. Basically a full Anfield. A third dead, the rest injured. In one day, and actually for the most part fairly early on in the day.

    The signs had been there in the American Civil War, but truly the lesson of how to assault heavily fortified trenches covered by machine guns and artilliary took a lot of learning.
    The conspiracy theory is to look at how many of those casualties were loyal to Carson personally rather than the British state. And then to remember what a complete and utter bastard Lloyd George was.
    I don’t buy that. Lloyd George had no control over which troops fought over which bit of the line. And before the day a lot of the brass thought that the bombardment would have wiped out the Germans, as it pretty much had in the south, adjacent to the French. For the French 1st July, 1916 was one of their best days of the war.
    In the words of the song:

    So, come gather round my comrades all, this First of July morn,

    When Ulstermen are proud and glad of the land where they were born,

    And we’ll never more be led away for to fight in a foreign land,

    Or to die for someone else’s cause, at an Englishman’s command.


    Lloyd George was influential in where the UVF were posted and where the attack was made.
    Evidence that Lloyd George decided on which divisions attacked where?
    He had input into the strategic plan & there were arguments that he intervened to rotate the UVF to the Somme. There were letters, I believe, but it’s been 30+ years since I wrote a dissertation on it
    I certainly don’t believe he set them up to be killed.
    He was not unhappy with the outcome.

    Carson was “on the high road to treason and despair” and the UVF was dead set against allowing the enforcement of a “a sentence of death with a stay of execution”.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,278

    DoctorG said:

    If the title of the Duke of York is vacant then I am wiling to take the title to restore some decency and dignity to the title.

    TSE, will you be taking the title of Earl of Inverness?

    There's a street in Fort William (Earl of Inverness Road) ready and waiting for you. Also, will the new DoY become heritor of 10,000 men?
    Duke of Dore and Dronfield, shirley?
    Duke of Totley & Dore, sod Dronfield.
    Duke of Dork?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,106
    edited October 17

    If the title of the Duke of York is vacant then I am wiling to take the title to restore some decency and dignity to the title.

    Go for it. As long as you don't have to give up editing PB. That would be a step too far.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,278
    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Did I just hear right, Nigel Farage apparently saying "Listen, love" to Mishal Husain?

    At around 2250.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbctwo

    YouTube clip.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ucKufRA12tM
    It sounds like he did say that. Not something you hear much nowadays

    I don’t think I have ever called anyone ‘love’ ‘darling’ ‘babe’ or such like, I find it a bit cringey
    I'd love to see a video of uptight Americans visiting Derbyshire and wondering why everyone's calling them duck. 🙂
    I got called "duck" by the woman behind the counter at Sheffield station Burger King a few years back!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,348

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    boulay said:

    spudgfsh said:

    Sean_F said:

    @

    Ugh, change the law.

    Prince Andrew has been forced to relinquish all his titles including the Duke of York and Knight of the Garter after his friendship with the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein threatened to overshadow the reign of his brother, King Charles.

    He will remain known as Prince Andrew, in accordance with a law first set down by George V in 1917 which stipulates that a son of a monarch can be called a prince.

    His title should be Pervert Slug.
    I think the twitter trolls have already decided he should be known from hereonout as 'Nonce Andrew'
    Serious question. Did Prince Andrew shag anyone who was underange/a child? Whilst it’s messed up an old man with a very young woman as far as I understood she was with him in London when she was 17 so above the age of consent. Have never seen anything showing he had sex with underage women. Prob not best that people call him a pedo if that’s the case. A dirty fucking pig maybe but surely a bit dodgy to label him a nonce.
    My thoughts exactly. And how old was he back then? How many men in there early thirties have lusted after the new girl in the office, say?
    .... Very few, I'd hope? That seems weird.
    You think it’s weird that men fancy 17-18 year old girls? Really?
    ... Men above above their teens or early 20s - yeah. It's just weird.
    The old rule was “half your age +7”

    So a 20 year old can date a 17 year old; 30 - 22; 40 - 27; 50 - 32 etc

    Surely the law says you are allowed to fuck 16 year olds. As long as you don't pay them and you're not their teacher. That's it, really.
    The “old rule” isn’t about what’s legal, but rather where the “ick factor” kicks in.

    A 50 year old dating someone in their 20s is a bit icky, but in their 30s is ok…
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,106
    Blair Witch Project on BBC One atm. Totally forgotten about it, but it was huge at the time.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,818

    Trump approval: 37-61

    MSNBC

    37 is remarkably high for a clown car President.
    He has just brought peace to Gaza and the ME, I expect Trump thinks it should be 97%!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,106
    edited October 17
    Trump won't be contesting the next election. JD Vance probably will, and I can't see any Democrat at the moment who might stop him.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,986
    edited 12:02AM

    Trump approval: 37-61

    MSNBC

    It is worth noting that that is rather out of line with other pollsters; Trump's favorability -as Nate Silver tracks it- has actually improved slightly in the last 10 days, and is generally in the -6 to -10 range that it's been at for most of the last four months (following the initial drop off).

    The big US issue is - and will continue to be - the economy. If Trump can reduce the pressures on the cost of living, then he stands a good chance of having a reasonable midterms. With that said, the economic indicators look somewhat concerning for Trump. Non-farm payrolls have been weak, and inflation has been ticking up. It's not in the danger zone yet, but if it gets much above 3%, then people will begin to feel it.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,818
    edited 12:04AM
    Andy_JS said:

    Trump won't be contesting the next election. JD Vance probably will, and I can't see any Democrat at the moment who might stop him.

    Buttigieg beat Vance 41% to 37% in a poll in August, Newsom beat him 39% to 37%. The latest Emerson poll has Newsom and Vance near tied

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2028_United_States_presidential_election#General_election
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,986
    Andy_JS said:

    Trump won't be contesting the next election. JD Vance probably will, and I can't see any Democrat at the moment who might stop him.

    There's not a lot of evidence that Vance is particularly popular with the electorate: his performance in Ohio in 2022 was particularly weak.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,278
    HYUFD said:

    Trump approval: 37-61

    MSNBC

    37 is remarkably high for a clown car President.
    He has just brought peace to Gaza and the ME, I expect Trump thinks it should be 97%!
    Have Hamas recognised Israel?
    Has Netanyahu recognised Palestine?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,106
    Keir Starmer is the biggest dis-proof ever that you need charisma to become PM.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,555
    If I recall correctly, Mitch McConnell, seeing Vance was in trouble in Ohio, sent him some help. Again, if I recall correctly, Vance had the lowest state-wide vote total for a Republican in Ohio that year.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,892

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    boulay said:

    spudgfsh said:

    Sean_F said:

    @

    Ugh, change the law.

    Prince Andrew has been forced to relinquish all his titles including the Duke of York and Knight of the Garter after his friendship with the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein threatened to overshadow the reign of his brother, King Charles.

    He will remain known as Prince Andrew, in accordance with a law first set down by George V in 1917 which stipulates that a son of a monarch can be called a prince.

    His title should be Pervert Slug.
    I think the twitter trolls have already decided he should be known from hereonout as 'Nonce Andrew'
    Serious question. Did Prince Andrew shag anyone who was underange/a child? Whilst it’s messed up an old man with a very young woman as far as I understood she was with him in London when she was 17 so above the age of consent. Have never seen anything showing he had sex with underage women. Prob not best that people call him a pedo if that’s the case. A dirty fucking pig maybe but surely a bit dodgy to label him a nonce.
    My thoughts exactly. And how old was he back then? How many men in there early thirties have lusted after the new girl in the office, say?
    .... Very few, I'd hope? That seems weird.
    You think it’s weird that men fancy 17-18 year old girls? Really?
    ... Men above above their teens or early 20s - yeah. It's just weird.
    The old rule was “half your age +7”

    So a 20 year old can date a 17 year old; 30 - 22; 40 - 27; 50 - 32 etc

    Surely the law says you are allowed to fuck 16 year olds. As long as you don't pay them and you're not their teacher. That's it, really.
    I think there's also the tiny matter of consent.
    Well yes of course, if not it's called rape.

    But everyone's getting their knickers in a twist about going out with someone a few years younger.
    I think there are far too many people who DO have sex with actual minors. They're the ones we should be worrying about, not people, princes or otherwise, who have legal sex with consenting adults.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,908


    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump
    ·
    51s
    🚨 BREAKING: Trump signs a commutation releasing disgraced former GOP Rep. George Santos from prison.

    “Good luck George, have a great life!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

    A massively corrupt liar.

    And George Santos is no saint either.
    Trump is truly the most disgusting man ever to disgrace the office of President, isn't he?

    Just as the Ukrainians have got Putin on the back foot Donny comes along to ease the pressure on the Russians.

    A villain to the core, he doesn't even have any redeeming vices- humourless performance cruelty and unrelenting greed, heavily laced with an industrial waste of stupidity.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,631
    Fishing said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    boulay said:

    spudgfsh said:

    Sean_F said:

    @

    Ugh, change the law.

    Prince Andrew has been forced to relinquish all his titles including the Duke of York and Knight of the Garter after his friendship with the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein threatened to overshadow the reign of his brother, King Charles.

    He will remain known as Prince Andrew, in accordance with a law first set down by George V in 1917 which stipulates that a son of a monarch can be called a prince.

    His title should be Pervert Slug.
    I think the twitter trolls have already decided he should be known from hereonout as 'Nonce Andrew'
    Serious question. Did Prince Andrew shag anyone who was underange/a child? Whilst it’s messed up an old man with a very young woman as far as I understood she was with him in London when she was 17 so above the age of consent. Have never seen anything showing he had sex with underage women. Prob not best that people call him a pedo if that’s the case. A dirty fucking pig maybe but surely a bit dodgy to label him a nonce.
    My thoughts exactly. And how old was he back then? How many men in there early thirties have lusted after the new girl in the office, say?
    .... Very few, I'd hope? That seems weird.
    You think it’s weird that men fancy 17-18 year old girls? Really?
    ... Men above above their teens or early 20s - yeah. It's just weird.
    The old rule was “half your age +7”

    So a 20 year old can date a 17 year old; 30 - 22; 40 - 27; 50 - 32 etc

    Surely the law says you are allowed to fuck 16 year olds. As long as you don't pay them and you're not their teacher. That's it, really.
    I think there's also the tiny matter of consent.
    Well yes of course, if not it's called rape.

    But everyone's getting their knickers in a twist about going out with someone a few years younger.
    I think there are far too many people who DO have sex with actual minors. They're the ones we should be worrying about, not people, princes or otherwise, who have legal sex with consenting adults.
    There's far more to the Epstein/Maxwell sex trafficking ring than "legal sex with consenting adults".

    It really is worth reading Giufre's story of how she was groomed and exploited.

    It really is not OK, and never has been.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,986
    In the entire history of the Beatles, there is only one Ringo Starr drum solo. In which song is it?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,769

    geoffw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Trump, after meeting with
    @ZelenskyyUa
    , says both Ukraine and Russia should just stop fighting. "They should stop where they are. Let both claim Victory, let History decide! No more shooting, no more Death, no more vast and unsustainable sums of money spent."

    He's not going to let them have Tomahawks is he?

    Ukraine really only needs them to hit the Shaheed drone factory. The rest they can pretty much trash themselves with homemade drones.
    Russia has just called up its reservists including those based in Moscow and St Petersburg. Putin is reinforcing the front line in a push for more territory / grind the Ukrainians down. It's now a race between winning in Ukraine and internal Russian politics.

    https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/warning-the-kremlin-is-preparing-to-mobilize-reservists-on-a-rolling-basis-to-fight-in-ukraine-for-the-first-time/
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,002
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: not a fan of late start times. Interesting practice/sprint results. I see Hulkenberg's done surprisingly well.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,002
    F1: no bet on sprint or qualifying:

    https://morrisf1.blogspot.com/2025/10/american-grand-prix-2025-pre.html

    Was tempted by Hulkenberg for a sprint podium but his odds were just 3.5.
  • The_WoodpeckerThe_Woodpecker Posts: 516
    rcs1000 said:

    In the entire history of the Beatles, there is only one Ringo Starr drum solo. In which song is it?

    Oof, great question to start the weekend with!

    Gotta be from one of the later albums. Can't think which track though.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,986

    rcs1000 said:

    In the entire history of the Beatles, there is only one Ringo Starr drum solo. In which song is it?

    Oof, great question to start the weekend with!

    Gotta be from one of the later albums. Can't think which track though.
    Ringo famously said "drum solos are boring".

    I'm not sure if that's a helpful clue or not.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,567

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    tlg86 said:

    Number 10 has asked West Midlands to set out what extra resource they need to police the game.

    The IDF?
    What the Luftwaffe did to Birmingham is not dissimilar to what the IDF did to Gaza.

    Let's hope the Gazans have better luck with their town planners
    Had the Luftwaffe possessed that capability, we'd likely have lost the war.
    Birmingham's former Debenhams building suggests we might have lost the war. We wouldn't have done that to ourselves, would we?
    Mind you The Square Peg, in the former Rackhams, is a great place to go.
    My last visit to Rackhams was during the death throws of House of Fraser. It reflected the sad decline of Corporation Street. I'd not even heard of the Square Peg. I have been on the tram through. Somewhat ironic as I remember them digging up the pre war tram lines on the Bristol Road in the 1980s because they decided they didn't need trams with the coming of age of the car.

    Now they’re putting them back in.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,567


    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump
    ·
    51s
    🚨 BREAKING: Trump signs a commutation releasing disgraced former GOP Rep. George Santos from prison.

    “Good luck George, have a great life!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

    A massively corrupt liar.

    And George Santos is no saint either.
    Certainly isn’t. This is savage.

    https://youtu.be/DUeLs4FSu7A?si=cqN22V-vNCd8oNM8
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,210
    .
    Cicero said:


    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump
    ·
    51s
    🚨 BREAKING: Trump signs a commutation releasing disgraced former GOP Rep. George Santos from prison.

    “Good luck George, have a great life!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

    A massively corrupt liar.

    And George Santos is no saint either.
    Trump is truly the most disgusting man ever to disgrace the office of President, isn't he?

    Just as the Ukrainians have got Putin on the back foot Donny comes along to ease the pressure on the Russians.

    A villain to the core, he doesn't even have any redeeming vices- humourless performance cruelty and unrelenting greed, heavily laced with an industrial waste of stupidity.
    'In response to HuffPost’s query about who suggested Budapest (for the meeting with Putin), White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt responded, “Your mom did,” and White House communications director Steven Cheung replied: “Your mom.”'
    https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1979229724816584889

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,210
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Cicero said:


    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump
    ·
    51s
    🚨 BREAKING: Trump signs a commutation releasing disgraced former GOP Rep. George Santos from prison.

    “Good luck George, have a great life!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

    A massively corrupt liar.

    And George Santos is no saint either.
    Trump is truly the most disgusting man ever to disgrace the office of President, isn't he?

    Just as the Ukrainians have got Putin on the back foot Donny comes along to ease the pressure on the Russians.

    A villain to the core, he doesn't even have any redeeming vices- humourless performance cruelty and unrelenting greed, heavily laced with an industrial waste of stupidity.
    'In response to HuffPost’s query about who suggested Budapest (for the meeting with Putin), White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt responded, “Your mom did,” and White House communications director Steven Cheung replied: “Your mom.”'
    https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1979229724816584889

    Pete Hegseth showed up to the White House meeting today with President Zelensky wearing a Russian tricolor flag tie.
    https://x.com/RealJakeBroe/status/1979275356663353829

    I'm not sure whether GOAT is now government of all the trolls, or all the traitors.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,210
    Argentinian economist friend to me: “the Milei government’s disinflation has come at the cost of an artificially sustained foreign exchange rate—remarkably now supported by the U.S. Treasury, which has been buying pesos in the local market to avoid a devaluation just days before the Midterms. By the way, what is most striking about the U.S. Treasury’s peso intervention is that the “dollar price” in Buenos Aires is at such an unsustainable level that even with this US support, local market participants are betting against it.”

    “They do not believe that a devaluation can ultimately be avoided. In Argentina, as we discussed, currency devaluations pass through directly to inflation and hurt real incomes. Meanwhile, fiscal adjustment has relied heavily on eroding real wages and pensions while postponing capital expenditures, leaving the economy in recession and capacity utilization at historic lows.”


    https://x.com/StephanieKelton/status/1979212357894054157
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,847
    Nigelb said:

    Argentinian economist friend to me: “the Milei government’s disinflation has come at the cost of an artificially sustained foreign exchange rate—remarkably now supported by the U.S. Treasury, which has been buying pesos in the local market to avoid a devaluation just days before the Midterms. By the way, what is most striking about the U.S. Treasury’s peso intervention is that the “dollar price” in Buenos Aires is at such an unsustainable level that even with this US support, local market participants are betting against it.”

    “They do not believe that a devaluation can ultimately be avoided. In Argentina, as we discussed, currency devaluations pass through directly to inflation and hurt real incomes. Meanwhile, fiscal adjustment has relied heavily on eroding real wages and pensions while postponing capital expenditures, leaving the economy in recession and capacity utilization at historic lows.”


    https://x.com/StephanieKelton/status/1979212357894054157

    Would have loved to have heard @williamglenn on this Argentine miracle.
    He may have done an EU type 360
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,320
    Good morning from a very dark, gloomy vineyard on harvest day.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,769
    TimS said:

    Good morning from a very dark, gloomy vineyard on harvest day.

    They were harvesting 6 weeks ago in Rheims. Is there that much time difference between the two areas in regards to harvesting?




  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,528
    Nigelb said:

    Argentinian economist friend to me: “the Milei government’s disinflation has come at the cost of an artificially sustained foreign exchange rate—remarkably now supported by the U.S. Treasury, which has been buying pesos in the local market to avoid a devaluation just days before the Midterms. By the way, what is most striking about the U.S. Treasury’s peso intervention is that the “dollar price” in Buenos Aires is at such an unsustainable level that even with this US support, local market participants are betting against it.”

    “They do not believe that a devaluation can ultimately be avoided. In Argentina, as we discussed, currency devaluations pass through directly to inflation and hurt real incomes. Meanwhile, fiscal adjustment has relied heavily on eroding real wages and pensions while postponing capital expenditures, leaving the economy in recession and capacity utilization at historic lows.”


    https://x.com/StephanieKelton/status/1979212357894054157

    So Trussonomics doesn't really work anywhere?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,549
    Andy_JS said:

    Trump won't be contesting the next election. JD Vance probably will, and I can't see any Democrat at the moment who might stop him.

    Vance approval 43 - 48
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,528
    TimS said:

    Good morning from a very dark, gloomy vineyard on harvest day.

    Hope it goes well.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,549
    Fishing said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    boulay said:

    spudgfsh said:

    Sean_F said:

    @

    Ugh, change the law.

    Prince Andrew has been forced to relinquish all his titles including the Duke of York and Knight of the Garter after his friendship with the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein threatened to overshadow the reign of his brother, King Charles.

    He will remain known as Prince Andrew, in accordance with a law first set down by George V in 1917 which stipulates that a son of a monarch can be called a prince.

    His title should be Pervert Slug.
    I think the twitter trolls have already decided he should be known from hereonout as 'Nonce Andrew'
    Serious question. Did Prince Andrew shag anyone who was underange/a child? Whilst it’s messed up an old man with a very young woman as far as I understood she was with him in London when she was 17 so above the age of consent. Have never seen anything showing he had sex with underage women. Prob not best that people call him a pedo if that’s the case. A dirty fucking pig maybe but surely a bit dodgy to label him a nonce.
    My thoughts exactly. And how old was he back then? How many men in there early thirties have lusted after the new girl in the office, say?
    .... Very few, I'd hope? That seems weird.
    You think it’s weird that men fancy 17-18 year old girls? Really?
    ... Men above above their teens or early 20s - yeah. It's just weird.
    The old rule was “half your age +7”

    So a 20 year old can date a 17 year old; 30 - 22; 40 - 27; 50 - 32 etc

    Surely the law says you are allowed to fuck 16 year olds. As long as you don't pay them and you're not their teacher. That's it, really.
    I think there's also the tiny matter of consent.
    Well yes of course, if not it's called rape.

    But everyone's getting their knickers in a twist about going out with someone a few years younger.
    I think there are far too many people who DO have sex with actual minors. They're the ones we should be worrying about, not people, princes or otherwise, who have legal sex with consenting adults.
    There are indeed far too many people who do have sex with minors. But, again, Andrew has been accused of having sex with minors.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,298
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Trump won't be contesting the next election. JD Vance probably will, and I can't see any Democrat at the moment who might stop him.

    There's not a lot of evidence that Vance is particularly popular with the electorate: his performance in Ohio in 2022 was particularly weak.
    The likely order of events feels like being no one else can beat Vance in the primaries but he then loses the general. I still hold a candle for Rubio but think his time will be 2032.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,298
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Cicero said:


    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump
    ·
    51s
    🚨 BREAKING: Trump signs a commutation releasing disgraced former GOP Rep. George Santos from prison.

    “Good luck George, have a great life!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

    A massively corrupt liar.

    And George Santos is no saint either.
    Trump is truly the most disgusting man ever to disgrace the office of President, isn't he?

    Just as the Ukrainians have got Putin on the back foot Donny comes along to ease the pressure on the Russians.

    A villain to the core, he doesn't even have any redeeming vices- humourless performance cruelty and unrelenting greed, heavily laced with an industrial waste of stupidity.
    'In response to HuffPost’s query about who suggested Budapest (for the meeting with Putin), White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt responded, “Your mom did,” and White House communications director Steven Cheung replied: “Your mom.”'
    https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1979229724816584889

    Pete Hegseth showed up to the White House meeting today with President Zelensky wearing a Russian tricolor flag tie.
    https://x.com/RealJakeBroe/status/1979275356663353829

    I'm not sure whether GOAT is now government of all the trolls, or all the traitors.
    Feels like a bit of a reach from Jake there
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,567
    dixiedean said:

    Nigelb said:

    Argentinian economist friend to me: “the Milei government’s disinflation has come at the cost of an artificially sustained foreign exchange rate—remarkably now supported by the U.S. Treasury, which has been buying pesos in the local market to avoid a devaluation just days before the Midterms. By the way, what is most striking about the U.S. Treasury’s peso intervention is that the “dollar price” in Buenos Aires is at such an unsustainable level that even with this US support, local market participants are betting against it.”

    “They do not believe that a devaluation can ultimately be avoided. In Argentina, as we discussed, currency devaluations pass through directly to inflation and hurt real incomes. Meanwhile, fiscal adjustment has relied heavily on eroding real wages and pensions while postponing capital expenditures, leaving the economy in recession and capacity utilization at historic lows.”


    https://x.com/StephanieKelton/status/1979212357894054157

    Would have loved to have heard @williamglenn on this Argentine miracle.
    He may have done an EU type 360
    Terrible of Millei to squander the glittering economic legacy his predecessor gifted him.
  • Ally_B1Ally_B1 Posts: 57
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    tlg86 said:

    Number 10 has asked West Midlands to set out what extra resource they need to police the game.

    The IDF?
    What the Luftwaffe did to Birmingham is not dissimilar to what the IDF did to Gaza.

    Let's hope the Gazans have better luck with their town planners
    Had the Luftwaffe possessed that capability, we'd likely have lost the war.
    Birmingham's former Debenhams building suggests we might have lost the war. We wouldn't have done that to ourselves, would we?
    Mind you The Square Peg, in the former Rackhams, is a great place to go.
    My last visit to Rackhams was during the death throws of House of Fraser. It reflected the sad decline of Corporation Street. I'd not even heard of the Square Peg. I have been on the tram through. Somewhat ironic as I remember them digging up the pre war tram lines on the Bristol Road in the 1980s because they decided they didn't need trams with the coming of age of the car.

    Now they’re putting them back in.
    The Square Peg pub in Birmingham was in the old Lewis's building (which became Debenhams). Rackhams was the in the building the other side of Bull St.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,210
    moonshine said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Cicero said:


    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump
    ·
    51s
    🚨 BREAKING: Trump signs a commutation releasing disgraced former GOP Rep. George Santos from prison.

    “Good luck George, have a great life!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

    A massively corrupt liar.

    And George Santos is no saint either.
    Trump is truly the most disgusting man ever to disgrace the office of President, isn't he?

    Just as the Ukrainians have got Putin on the back foot Donny comes along to ease the pressure on the Russians.

    A villain to the core, he doesn't even have any redeeming vices- humourless performance cruelty and unrelenting greed, heavily laced with an industrial waste of stupidity.
    'In response to HuffPost’s query about who suggested Budapest (for the meeting with Putin), White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt responded, “Your mom did,” and White House communications director Steven Cheung replied: “Your mom.”'
    https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1979229724816584889

    Pete Hegseth showed up to the White House meeting today with President Zelensky wearing a Russian tricolor flag tie.
    https://x.com/RealJakeBroe/status/1979275356663353829

    I'm not sure whether GOAT is now government of all the trolls, or all the traitors.
    Feels like a bit of a reach from Jake there
    He's hardly the only one to note this.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,528
    Nigelb said:

    moonshine said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Cicero said:


    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump
    ·
    51s
    🚨 BREAKING: Trump signs a commutation releasing disgraced former GOP Rep. George Santos from prison.

    “Good luck George, have a great life!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

    A massively corrupt liar.

    And George Santos is no saint either.
    Trump is truly the most disgusting man ever to disgrace the office of President, isn't he?

    Just as the Ukrainians have got Putin on the back foot Donny comes along to ease the pressure on the Russians.

    A villain to the core, he doesn't even have any redeeming vices- humourless performance cruelty and unrelenting greed, heavily laced with an industrial waste of stupidity.
    'In response to HuffPost’s query about who suggested Budapest (for the meeting with Putin), White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt responded, “Your mom did,” and White House communications director Steven Cheung replied: “Your mom.”'
    https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1979229724816584889

    Pete Hegseth showed up to the White House meeting today with President Zelensky wearing a Russian tricolor flag tie.
    https://x.com/RealJakeBroe/status/1979275356663353829

    I'm not sure whether GOAT is now government of all the trolls, or all the traitors.
    Feels like a bit of a reach from Jake there
    He's hardly the only one to note this.
    Hegseth might of course have picked up a tie without realising its significance given how drunk he usually is.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,639
    Nigelb said:

    moonshine said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Cicero said:


    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump
    ·
    51s
    🚨 BREAKING: Trump signs a commutation releasing disgraced former GOP Rep. George Santos from prison.

    “Good luck George, have a great life!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

    A massively corrupt liar.

    And George Santos is no saint either.
    Trump is truly the most disgusting man ever to disgrace the office of President, isn't he?

    Just as the Ukrainians have got Putin on the back foot Donny comes along to ease the pressure on the Russians.

    A villain to the core, he doesn't even have any redeeming vices- humourless performance cruelty and unrelenting greed, heavily laced with an industrial waste of stupidity.
    'In response to HuffPost’s query about who suggested Budapest (for the meeting with Putin), White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt responded, “Your mom did,” and White House communications director Steven Cheung replied: “Your mom.”'
    https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1979229724816584889

    Pete Hegseth showed up to the White House meeting today with President Zelensky wearing a Russian tricolor flag tie.
    https://x.com/RealJakeBroe/status/1979275356663353829

    I'm not sure whether GOAT is now government of all the trolls, or all the traitors.
    Feels like a bit of a reach from Jake there
    He's hardly the only one to note this.
    It probably wasn’t chosen for being like a Russian flag but what it does nicely demonstrate is that there is nobody around Hegseth and the administration who could point out “Hey Pete, that tie might be a bit of a problem so best to change it.” Because people with wide knowledge and good instincts have been purged.

    It’s a horrid tie though, the stripes are weirdly too wide so looks more like a barbers pole than a club/school/regimental tie would.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,647
    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nigelb said:

    Argentinian economist friend to me: “the Milei government’s disinflation has come at the cost of an artificially sustained foreign exchange rate—remarkably now supported by the U.S. Treasury, which has been buying pesos in the local market to avoid a devaluation just days before the Midterms. By the way, what is most striking about the U.S. Treasury’s peso intervention is that the “dollar price” in Buenos Aires is at such an unsustainable level that even with this US support, local market participants are betting against it.”

    “They do not believe that a devaluation can ultimately be avoided. In Argentina, as we discussed, currency devaluations pass through directly to inflation and hurt real incomes. Meanwhile, fiscal adjustment has relied heavily on eroding real wages and pensions while postponing capital expenditures, leaving the economy in recession and capacity utilization at historic lows.”


    https://x.com/StephanieKelton/status/1979212357894054157

    Would have loved to have heard @williamglenn on this Argentine miracle.
    He may have done an EU type 360
    Terrible of Millei to squander the glittering economic legacy his predecessor gifted him.
    Lol! Why didn't he just implement a right-wing economic miracle though?
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,567
    Ally_B1 said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    tlg86 said:

    Number 10 has asked West Midlands to set out what extra resource they need to police the game.

    The IDF?
    What the Luftwaffe did to Birmingham is not dissimilar to what the IDF did to Gaza.

    Let's hope the Gazans have better luck with their town planners
    Had the Luftwaffe possessed that capability, we'd likely have lost the war.
    Birmingham's former Debenhams building suggests we might have lost the war. We wouldn't have done that to ourselves, would we?
    Mind you The Square Peg, in the former Rackhams, is a great place to go.
    My last visit to Rackhams was during the death throws of House of Fraser. It reflected the sad decline of Corporation Street. I'd not even heard of the Square Peg. I have been on the tram through. Somewhat ironic as I remember them digging up the pre war tram lines on the Bristol Road in the 1980s because they decided they didn't need trams with the coming of age of the car.

    Now they’re putting them back in.
    The Square Peg pub in Birmingham was in the old Lewis's building (which became Debenhams). Rackhams was the in the building the other side of Bull St.
    Ha,, I should know that as I only lived in Birmingham for 20 years 😱😱
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,567
    edited 7:16AM

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nigelb said:

    Argentinian economist friend to me: “the Milei government’s disinflation has come at the cost of an artificially sustained foreign exchange rate—remarkably now supported by the U.S. Treasury, which has been buying pesos in the local market to avoid a devaluation just days before the Midterms. By the way, what is most striking about the U.S. Treasury’s peso intervention is that the “dollar price” in Buenos Aires is at such an unsustainable level that even with this US support, local market participants are betting against it.”

    “They do not believe that a devaluation can ultimately be avoided. In Argentina, as we discussed, currency devaluations pass through directly to inflation and hurt real incomes. Meanwhile, fiscal adjustment has relied heavily on eroding real wages and pensions while postponing capital expenditures, leaving the economy in recession and capacity utilization at historic lows.”


    https://x.com/StephanieKelton/status/1979212357894054157

    Would have loved to have heard @williamglenn on this Argentine miracle.
    He may have done an EU type 360
    Terrible of Millei to squander the glittering economic legacy his predecessor gifted him.
    Lol! Why didn't he just implement a right-wing economic miracle though?
    Ask someone who cares. Millei had a shit sandwich and, like SKS and Reeves, is not totally at fault for the mess they’re in.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,549
    https://news.sky.com/story/three-neo-nazis-who-plotted-terrorist-attacks-on-mosques-and-synagogues-jailed-13451058

    Three neo-Nazis who plotted terrorist attacks on mosques and synagogues jailed
    The trio had more than 200 weapons including crossbows, swords, machetes, axes, hunting knives and an almost-complete 3D-printed assault rifle, which prosecutors say could "have been used to devastating consequences".
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,233
    Andy_JS said:

    Although the Andrew story is important, I think the China story is far more important. So guess which one the media seems to be devoting more attention to.

    News is entertainment, entertainment is news.

    That value has spread from Yoof TV to pretty much everywhere. Hence all the "terrible government gonna fall" stories, rather than "mediocre government is secure for the duration".
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,383

    NEW THREAD

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,002
    F1: I've probably blathered already about why I'm keeping an eye on Russell for 2026. Here's an explanation at slightly greater length of the main contenders for the title next year and why I think Russell's got a great shot:

    https://medium.com/@rkilner/why-russell-could-win-in-2026-13e9463696fa
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,233
    Nigelb said:

    Argentinian economist friend to me: “the Milei government’s disinflation has come at the cost of an artificially sustained foreign exchange rate—remarkably now supported by the U.S. Treasury, which has been buying pesos in the local market to avoid a devaluation just days before the Midterms. By the way, what is most striking about the U.S. Treasury’s peso intervention is that the “dollar price” in Buenos Aires is at such an unsustainable level that even with this US support, local market participants are betting against it.”

    “They do not believe that a devaluation can ultimately be avoided. In Argentina, as we discussed, currency devaluations pass through directly to inflation and hurt real incomes. Meanwhile, fiscal adjustment has relied heavily on eroding real wages and pensions while postponing capital expenditures, leaving the economy in recession and capacity utilization at historic lows.”


    https://x.com/StephanieKelton/status/1979212357894054157

    Hold on, we were told that the Argentine state was stuffed with waste and corruption, and Milei was cutting that. You know, like Musk said of the American state, and Yusuf said of the British state.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,558

    Former West Ham manager Graham Potter is in talks to become Sweden's next head coach.

    What have the poor Swedes done to deserve this.

    Insert generic joke about swedes versus turnips here.
    Obviously even the Turnips (RFC) drew the line at him.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,759

    Fishing said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    boulay said:

    spudgfsh said:

    Sean_F said:

    @

    Ugh, change the law.

    Prince Andrew has been forced to relinquish all his titles including the Duke of York and Knight of the Garter after his friendship with the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein threatened to overshadow the reign of his brother, King Charles.

    He will remain known as Prince Andrew, in accordance with a law first set down by George V in 1917 which stipulates that a son of a monarch can be called a prince.

    His title should be Pervert Slug.
    I think the twitter trolls have already decided he should be known from hereonout as 'Nonce Andrew'
    Serious question. Did Prince Andrew shag anyone who was underange/a child? Whilst it’s messed up an old man with a very young woman as far as I understood she was with him in London when she was 17 so above the age of consent. Have never seen anything showing he had sex with underage women. Prob not best that people call him a pedo if that’s the case. A dirty fucking pig maybe but surely a bit dodgy to label him a nonce.
    My thoughts exactly. And how old was he back then? How many men in there early thirties have lusted after the new girl in the office, say?
    .... Very few, I'd hope? That seems weird.
    You think it’s weird that men fancy 17-18 year old girls? Really?
    ... Men above above their teens or early 20s - yeah. It's just weird.
    The old rule was “half your age +7”

    So a 20 year old can date a 17 year old; 30 - 22; 40 - 27; 50 - 32 etc

    Surely the law says you are allowed to fuck 16 year olds. As long as you don't pay them and you're not their teacher. That's it, really.
    I think there's also the tiny matter of consent.
    Well yes of course, if not it's called rape.

    But everyone's getting their knickers in a twist about going out with someone a few years younger.
    I think there are far too many people who DO have sex with actual minors. They're the ones we should be worrying about, not people, princes or otherwise, who have legal sex with consenting adults.
    There are indeed far too many people who do have sex with minors. But, again, Andrew has been accused of having sex with minors.
    And he has denied it. People accused David Cameron of having sex with a pigs head. I assume you believe that too? Is it possible Virginia Giuffre might not have been telling the truth?
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