The crowd at the Albert Hall singing Rule Britannia at the top of their voices or the mob waving flags in the street and wetting themselves over South African/US economic migrant Elon Musk interest in england's future?
Both. You need both
Why do we need a mob baying after a foreigner's interest in England's future? Sounds like a bunch of traitors.
The Proms are attended largely by the upper middle classes from London and the South so hardly surprising many of them are Remainers, I doubt many of the Tommy Robinson crowd are in the Albert Hall this evening. Most likely they got back to Dagenham, Coventry, West Brom, Stoke or Margate or Basildon or Great Yarmouth or Clacton etc after their big demo in central London and flicked on the TV just for Rule Britannia, Britannia Rules the Waves and Land of Hope and Glory (and maybe the National Anthem though they think Charlie Boy is a bit woke compared to his dear old Mum) having missed the first half and are now waiting for Match of the Day
Meanwhile it is the last night of the proms and there's union jacks everywhere.
And an abundance of EU flags too. Who are the absolute morons who think it's a good or clever to display those?
They're handed out by propagandists at the door, and have been since 2016.
Are the Union flags brought spontaneously by ye good yeoman folk of olde England, or are they handed out also?
All the other flags are brought by individuals. Only the EU flags are handed out. Of course many people also bring their own EU flags
In the Proms in the Park at Glasgow Green in 2014 there were definitely people handing out Union flags. Perhaps this was just a one off.
Well, same thing to an independence supporter, no? Not their flag...
There's a bit of a rammy in Scotland at the mo. John Swinney et al aghast at the Saltire being expropriated by Tommy's Scottish cousins at anti-immigrant demos. Ironic.
Meanwhile it is the last night of the proms and there's union jacks everywhere.
And an abundance of EU flags too. Who are the absolute morons who think it's a good or clever to display those?
They're handed out by propagandists at the door, and have been since 2016.
Are the Union flags brought spontaneously by ye good yeoman folk of olde England, or are they handed out also?
All the other flags are brought by individuals. Only the EU flags are handed out. Of course many people also bring their own EU flags
In the Proms in the Park at Glasgow Green in 2014 there were definitely people handing out Union flags. Perhaps this was just a one off.
Well, same thing to an independence supporter, no? Not their flag...
People can have varied and changeable allegiances to multiple flags. Handing out a particular flag in an organised way in the week before a referendum seems rather crass.
The Groaniad is reporting that the Tommy March had numbers “way in excess of what police were expecting” and they nearly lost control as a result
That sounds like more than 110,000
Surely that would depend on what they were expecting? And is there evidence that ‘they nearly lost control’? Of what?
Just as a matter of interest...how do the polis measure the size of crowds? Is there a methodology?
I've seen a few videos about this, and it is statistically, backed up with experience and data. Jacob's method is used (AIUI), along with increased numbers through public transport hubs. I can imagine nowadays, with better live aerial imagery, counting can be done quite speedily within a loose accuracy. Certainly more accurate than the organisers' claims.
Meanwhile it is the last night of the proms and there's union jacks everywhere.
And an abundance of EU flags too. Who are the absolute morons who think it's a good or clever to display those?
They're handed out by propagandists at the door, and have been since 2016.
Are the Union flags brought spontaneously by ye good yeoman folk of olde England, or are they handed out also?
All the other flags are brought by individuals. Only the EU flags are handed out. Of course many people also bring their own EU flags
In the Proms in the Park at Glasgow Green in 2014 there were definitely people handing out Union flags. Perhaps this was just a one off.
Well, same thing to an independence supporter, no? Not their flag...
There's a bit of a rammy in Scotland at the mo. John Swinney et al aghast at the Saltire being expropriated by Tommy's Scottish cousins at anti-immigrant demos. Ironic.
How do you feel about it, good, bad or indifferent?
The BBC headlines are dreadful for the far right and their loathsome backer Musk .
423 arrests at the largely peaceful Notting Hill Carnival. Some arrests and officers hurt today, which is disgraceful, but the reporting is as ever curated.
Meanwhile it is the last night of the proms and there's union jacks everywhere.
And an abundance of EU flags too. Who are the absolute morons who think it's a good or clever to display those?
They're handed out by propagandists at the door, and have been since 2016.
Are the Union flags brought spontaneously by ye good yeoman folk of olde England, or are they handed out also?
All the other flags are brought by individuals. Only the EU flags are handed out. Of course many people also bring their own EU flags
In the Proms in the Park at Glasgow Green in 2014 there were definitely people handing out Union flags. Perhaps this was just a one off.
Well, same thing to an independence supporter, no? Not their flag...
People can have varied and changeable allegiances to multiple flags. Handing out a particular flag in an organised way in the week before a referendum seems rather crass.
Not as crass as a government sending a taxpayer-funded leaflet to every address in the country shortly before a referendum...
Meanwhile it is the last night of the proms and there's union jacks everywhere.
And an abundance of EU flags too. Who are the absolute morons who think it's a good or clever to display those?
They're handed out by propagandists at the door, and have been since 2016.
Are the Union flags brought spontaneously by ye good yeoman folk of olde England, or are they handed out also?
All the other flags are brought by individuals. Only the EU flags are handed out. Of course many people also bring their own EU flags
In the Proms in the Park at Glasgow Green in 2014 there were definitely people handing out Union flags. Perhaps this was just a one off.
Well, same thing to an independence supporter, no? Not their flag...
There's a bit of a rammy in Scotland at the mo. John Swinney et al aghast at the Saltire being expropriated by Tommy's Scottish cousins at anti-immigrant demos. Ironic.
How do you feel about it, good, bad or indifferent?
Personally, I very much dislike all this flag-waving wherever, or whoever. OK at special national events or commemorations otherwise no.
Starmer made standards in public life his personal dividing line. He presented himself as a high court judge of politics - propriety and ethics final boss. He was always the first to throw stones - providing the target was an opponent. Now he stands exposed as an utter hypocrite
Meanwhile it is the last night of the proms and there's union jacks everywhere.
And an abundance of EU flags too. Who are the absolute morons who think it's a good or clever to display those?
They're handed out by propagandists at the door, and have been since 2016.
Are the Union flags brought spontaneously by ye good yeoman folk of olde England, or are they handed out also?
All the other flags are brought by individuals. Only the EU flags are handed out. Of course many people also bring their own EU flags
In the Proms in the Park at Glasgow Green in 2014 there were definitely people handing out Union flags. Perhaps this was just a one off.
Well, same thing to an independence supporter, no? Not their flag...
People can have varied and changeable allegiances to multiple flags. Handing out a particular flag in an organised way in the week before a referendum seems rather crass.
Not as crass as a government sending a taxpayer-funded leaflet to every address in the country shortly before a referendum...
Which particular one is this that still appears to be irritating your haemorrhoids?
Terrible optics on the BBC news for Tommy and Elon.
Literally no one gives a fuck what the “BBC headlines” are, any more. That’s the whole point of this
Been quite a lot of criticism of the Beeb because of wall-to-wall Farage and little challenge. That said, suspect we will start seeing a change in their approach.
It’s quite mental that of all the people who were involved with Epstein, the only men who have suffered as a result are three Brits; Prince Andrew, Mandyumyum and Starmer.
Any articles in the NYT about how awful we are compared to the US over our attitude to this matter?
You're forgetting the Yank in charge of one of our major banks, Jes Staley, he suffered too.
None of the men in the US who actually abused the girls has been named. Let alone charged and convicted.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 14m What a *disgraceful* thing for [Musk] to say. If he lived in Britain that might well count as incitement to violence. Telling a crowd of people that violence is coming to them & if they don't fight back they'll die. For Pete's sake...
Meanwhile it is the last night of the proms and there's union jacks everywhere.
And an abundance of EU flags too. Who are the absolute morons who think it's a good or clever to display those?
They're handed out by propagandists at the door, and have been since 2016.
Are the Union flags brought spontaneously by ye good yeoman folk of olde England, or are they handed out also?
All the other flags are brought by individuals. Only the EU flags are handed out. Of course many people also bring their own EU flags
In the Proms in the Park at Glasgow Green in 2014 there were definitely people handing out Union flags. Perhaps this was just a one off.
Well, same thing to an independence supporter, no? Not their flag...
People can have varied and changeable allegiances to multiple flags. Handing out a particular flag in an organised way in the week before a referendum seems rather crass.
Not as crass as a government sending a taxpayer-funded leaflet to every address in the country shortly before a referendum...
Which particular one is this that still appears to be irritating your haemorrhoids?
Piles of them! No, I was referring to the EU one. Did the UK gov send one to Scottish households for 2014 too?
We? There is no fucking "we". You are not from our country.
He’s British. Of British descent on both sides
Or do you have to be born here to be British. Because that would make for some interesting conversations
No. but I do think you have to be British to be British. Self-id as British is not sufficient. Perhaps some kind of nationality recognition document like a "pass-port" should be involved.
The Police are good people, most particularly the rank and file.
Our town has a more than it's fair share of Met officers, given we are 30 mins fom Euston.
The contempt the 'thin blue line' feel for their politicised over lords in the chain of command is hard to overstate if the ones I encounter are representative.
Terrible optics on the BBC news for Tommy and Elon.
Literally no one gives a fuck what the “BBC headlines” are, any more. That’s the whole point of this
Been quite a lot of criticism of the Beeb because of wall-to-wall Farage and little challenge. That said, suspect we will start seeing a change in their approach.
Interestingly do you remember the infamous Chris Mason article about Reform which was essentially a glowing advert for them . I checked back and it was updated two days after the initial furore where he now mentions the anti vaxxer and Connolly . So clearly the BBC realized it was ridiculously biased .
WASHINGTON — Charlie Kirk’s alleged shooter Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from a male to a female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.
Meanwhile it is the last night of the proms and there's union jacks everywhere.
And an abundance of EU flags too. Who are the absolute morons who think it's a good or clever to display those?
They're handed out by propagandists at the door, and have been since 2016.
Are the Union flags brought spontaneously by ye good yeoman folk of olde England, or are they handed out also?
All the other flags are brought by individuals. Only the EU flags are handed out. Of course many people also bring their own EU flags
In the Proms in the Park at Glasgow Green in 2014 there were definitely people handing out Union flags. Perhaps this was just a one off.
Well, same thing to an independence supporter, no? Not their flag...
People can have varied and changeable allegiances to multiple flags. Handing out a particular flag in an organised way in the week before a referendum seems rather crass.
Not as crass as a government sending a taxpayer-funded leaflet to every address in the country shortly before a referendum...
Which particular one is this that still appears to be irritating your haemorrhoids?
Piles of them! No, I was referring to the EU one. Did the UK gov send one to Scottish households for 2014 too?
We? There is no fucking "we". You are not from our country.
He’s British. Of British descent on both sides
Or do you have to be born here to be British. Because that would make for some interesting conversations
One minute you’re Enoch Powell’s long lost love child and then the next you’re battling against racism !
Are you sure about the last bit?
Well Leon seemed to be suggesting that you don’t have to be born in Britain to be British although he didn’t elaborate if this was a special Leon exemption for his new hero Musk or applied to others aswell !
We? There is no fucking "we". You are not from our country.
He’s British. Of British descent on both sides
Or do you have to be born here to be British. Because that would make for some interesting conversations
No. but I do think you have to be British to be British. Self-id as British is not sufficient. Perhaps some kind of nationality recognition document like a "pass-port" should be involved.
Saying Musk is British because of his ancestry is the same trick the CCP play when deciding which foreign citizens are actually “Chinese” and therefore fair play for arresting or assassinating.
Terrible optics on the BBC news for Tommy and Elon.
Literally no one gives a fuck what the “BBC headlines” are, any more. That’s the whole point of this
Been quite a lot of criticism of the Beeb because of wall-to-wall Farage and little challenge. That said, suspect we will start seeing a change in their approach.
Interestingly do you remember the infamous Chris Mason article about Reform which was essentially a glowing advert for them . I checked back and it was updated two days after the initial furore where he now mentions the anti vaxxer and Connolly . So clearly the BBC realized it was ridiculously biased .
I kinda wonder whether the BBC sometimes overcompensates because its so fearful of seeming biased against those who don't share its perceived worldview. Saw the same thing in Scotland with Indy. TBF, trying to navigate an editorial policy through the minefield of irrational identity politics must be rather trying. How do you account for a flag thrust in your face?
We? There is no fucking "we". You are not from our country.
He’s British. Of British descent on both sides
Or do you have to be born here to be British. Because that would make for some interesting conversations
One minute you’re Enoch Powell’s long lost love child and then the next you’re battling against racism !
Are you sure about the last bit?
Well Leon seemed to be suggesting that you don’t have to be born in Britain to be British although he didn’t elaborate if this was a special Leon exemption for his new hero Musk or applied to others aswell !
I am sure this is restricted to South African born, Apartheid loving white Boer billionaires.
We? There is no fucking "we". You are not from our country.
He’s British. Of British descent on both sides
Or do you have to be born here to be British. Because that would make for some interesting conversations
You clearly don't have to be born here to be British - but you need a little more of a connection than Musk has.
As far as I can see, he wouldn't qualify for citizenship, and I don't believe he's ever lived in the UK for any significant period - so, not British.
Most people would probably be relaxed that about having that conversation.
He’s of racially British descent and he feels British. Self identifies. Plus his mother at least was a British subject. Taken together that’s good enough for me
The Police are good people, most particularly the rank and file.
Our town has a more than it's fair share of Met officers, given we are 30 mins fom Euston.
The contempt the 'thin blue line' feel for their politicised over lords in the chain of command is hard to overstate if the ones I encounter are representative.
The police station in my local town closed down completely about 5 years ago. The population is 35,000.
We? There is no fucking "we". You are not from our country.
He’s British. Of British descent on both sides
Or do you have to be born here to be British. Because that would make for some interesting conversations
You clearly don't have to be born here to be British - but you need a little more of a connection than Musk has.
As far as I can see, he wouldn't qualify for citizenship, and I don't believe he's ever lived in the UK for any significant period - so, not British.
Most people would probably be relaxed that about having that conversation.
He’s of racially British descent and he feels British. Self identifies. Plus his mother at least was a British subject. Taken together that’s good enough for me
i) What does "racially British descent" look like, as distinct from "British descent"? ii) How many tens of millions (more?) of people are British by this definition? iii) That makes Donald Trump British (his mum was Scottish)
We? There is no fucking "we". You are not from our country.
He’s British. Of British descent on both sides
Or do you have to be born here to be British. Because that would make for some interesting conversations
You clearly don't have to be born here to be British - but you need a little more of a connection than Musk has.
As far as I can see, he wouldn't qualify for citizenship, and I don't believe he's ever lived in the UK for any significant period - so, not British.
Most people would probably be relaxed that about having that conversation.
He’s of racially British descent and he feels British. Self identifies. Plus his mother at least was a British subject. Taken together that’s good enough for me
Was his mother British? As far as I can see, she was Canadian, lived in SA, and had American parents.
His grandmother was British, but his dad was born in SA. Without knowing 100% of the details of all the families, I think his dad could have been British, but citizenship by descent doesn't usually pass down a second generation.
I suspect the "we" he's talking about is probably not "we British" anyway.
The Police are good people, most particularly the rank and file.
Our town has a more than it's fair share of Met officers, given we are 30 mins fom Euston.
The contempt the 'thin blue line' feel for their politicised over lords in the chain of command is hard to overstate if the ones I encounter are representative.
The police station in my local town closed down completely about 5 years ago. The population is 35,000.
Same as ours, closed with population of 40k. The train to and fro Euston (35mins fast train) is packed with Met Police Officers going to and fro who live here and, strangely, musical and theatrical types from the West end
"Google is in talks to build a mammoth datacentre on a site in the northeast of England that fell victim to “industrial vandalism” little more than a decade ago.
...
And the landmark project could also be scuppered by a complicated row that has pitted Sir Keir Starmer against energy secretary Ed Miliband."
Just fucking sack Ed Miliband already. Economic vandalism is all he knows. Labour are shitting up the economy and he's one of the major reasons why. Starmer should have cleaned house in the recent reshuffle and stuck him back on the back benches if he didn't like moving from energy.
We? There is no fucking "we". You are not from our country.
He’s British. Of British descent on both sides
Or do you have to be born here to be British. Because that would make for some interesting conversations
You clearly don't have to be born here to be British - but you need a little more of a connection than Musk has.
As far as I can see, he wouldn't qualify for citizenship, and I don't believe he's ever lived in the UK for any significant period - so, not British.
Most people would probably be relaxed that about having that conversation.
He’s of racially British descent and he feels British. Self identifies. Plus his mother at least was a British subject. Taken together that’s good enough for me
He qualifies for citizenship through parentage and ancestry I think. Kevin Pieterson played for England and Elon Musk has got basically the same links to this country.
My experience of visiting Utah, particularly outside Salt Lake City proper. I found it a very odd place, on the surface everybody is very nice, but too nice in a way. But you get this weird feeling that the niceness come with strings attached.
If I remember correctly Utah (or particularly Salt Lake City) has some of the highest academic achievement in the whole of the US, but also one of the highest suicide rates.
We? There is no fucking "we". You are not from our country.
He’s British. Of British descent on both sides
Or do you have to be born here to be British. Because that would make for some interesting conversations
You clearly don't have to be born here to be British - but you need a little more of a connection than Musk has.
As far as I can see, he wouldn't qualify for citizenship, and I don't believe he's ever lived in the UK for any significant period - so, not British.
Most people would probably be relaxed that about having that conversation.
He’s of racially British descent and he feels British. Self identifies. Plus his mother at least was a British subject. Taken together that’s good enough for me
He qualifies for citizenship through parentage and ancestry I think. Kevin Pieterson played for England and Elon Musk has got basically the same links to this country.
Sure, but it's not like Musk restricts himself to talking about SA, USA, Canada and the UK. Wasn't he also trying to get involved in Germany?
Feels like either he just cannot help but meddle anywhere because he adores attention (which tbf is pretty obvious anyway, he's not one of the reclusive type billionaires), or he just wants to spend his time on PB to nerd out on all politics but cannot work up the nerve to do it.
"Google is in talks to build a mammoth datacentre on a site in the northeast of England that fell victim to “industrial vandalism” little more than a decade ago.
...
And the landmark project could also be scuppered by a complicated row that has pitted Sir Keir Starmer against energy secretary Ed Miliband."
Just fucking sack Ed Miliband already. Economic vandalism is all he knows. Labour are shitting up the economy and he's one of the major reasons why. Starmer should have cleaned house in the recent reshuffle and stuck him back on the back benches if he didn't like moving from energy.
Isn't Ed M really popular with the party? So he may be untouchable.
Personally I think we can do plenty of environmental things whilst really moving forward with all manner of economic boosting building and investment, but despite a few people in government mentioning it there's clearly not unanimity behind any kind of growth agenda.
"Google is in talks to build a mammoth datacentre on a site in the northeast of England that fell victim to “industrial vandalism” little more than a decade ago.
...
And the landmark project could also be scuppered by a complicated row that has pitted Sir Keir Starmer against energy secretary Ed Miliband."
Just fucking sack Ed Miliband already. Economic vandalism is all he knows. Labour are shitting up the economy and he's one of the major reasons why. Starmer should have cleaned house in the recent reshuffle and stuck him back on the back benches if he didn't like moving from energy.
We? There is no fucking "we". You are not from our country.
He’s British. Of British descent on both sides
Or do you have to be born here to be British. Because that would make for some interesting conversations
You clearly don't have to be born here to be British - but you need a little more of a connection than Musk has.
As far as I can see, he wouldn't qualify for citizenship, and I don't believe he's ever lived in the UK for any significant period - so, not British.
Most people would probably be relaxed that about having that conversation.
He’s of racially British descent and he feels British. Self identifies. Plus his mother at least was a British subject. Taken together that’s good enough for me
He qualifies for citizenship through parentage and ancestry I think. Kevin Pieterson played for England and Elon Musk has got basically the same links to this country.
Kevin Pieterson's mother was born in the UK, so could pass on her citizenship, even if he was born outside the UK.
Musk, as far as I can see, is one generation further. His parents would have been able to get citizenship, but a second generation born outside the UK doesn't usually qualify.
The Police are good people, most particularly the rank and file.
Our town has a more than it's fair share of Met officers, given we are 30 mins fom Euston.
The contempt the 'thin blue line' feel for their politicised over lords in the chain of command is hard to overstate if the ones I encounter are representative.
My experience with them has been weird, in that rank and file and the upper echelons have seemed like shits (for different reasons), with some really competent and well meaning people in the middle (who will never rise higher).
EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.
The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.
Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.
The underlying point is that since Care in the Community and whatever is its American counterpart, there have been a lot more mentally ill people left to rot on the streets, and occasionally murder someone. Still, the British government and American insurance companies saved a bunch of money and we got some nice luxury flats at the old hospitals, so there's that. Lethal injections though? Is there a loophole in the 10 Commandments?
The actual reason that the old mad houses went away was that
1) they were brutal, horrible places. Out of sight, out of mind. 2) around the world, people who were aware of it, fought against them. And the endless abuses in them. 3) in most advanced countries laws changed. For example, locking people up for life for being a bit odd is now illegal. 4) the medical profession changed as well. You won’t be able to find doctors to force medication on everyone a bit odd - in The Goode Olde Dayz they simply dosed everyone in the madhouse into compliance. 5) so in the new world, you need serious reasons to lock people up, even more serious reasons to force them to take medication.
Worth noting reports that Trumps thugs are attacking street people with Narcan…
One of the ironies being that the politician who got Care in the Community rolling in the UK was Enoch Powell.
Not especially ironic. In many things he was actually a thoughtful and rather progressive man. Being one of the first from mainstream politics to fall down the immigration/race rat hole destroyed his reputation - justly.
Dwellings in Victorian times were very different to dwellings today, so I'm pretty sure that large mental institutions would also be different. The bad things about them (there were also good things) do not undermine their importance, both then and now.
It’s pretty simple
1) sectioning people is now a serious medico-legal endeavour 2) once locked up, they must be repeatedly assessed to try and see if they can leave. 3) forcibly medicating people is pretty much not a thing. 4) modern, trained doctors won’t change 1-3 on moral grounds
I should add, a big issue is that the patients don’t like the medicines.
My brother-in-law ended up on the really fun stuff for a while. He said that while it helped to be clear headed and not a problem, they made him feel horrible - both feeling his mental condition and side effects. He preferred being off his nut - but stayed on them for his wife’s sake.
There were some pretty nasty physical side effects as well, IIRC.
People can be forcibly medicated, even in the community - they can be given depot injections that last a month of certain antipsychotics and accepting them can be a condition to their freedom. One drug has to be given orally - Clozapine - it works on people for whom no other antipsychotics work, but has the side effect that sometimes, out of the blue, even in people who have been taking it for years, stop producing white blood cells. Under these circumstances they can be sometimes be kept in the community but with their taking of the medication overseen by social care staff.
In institutional settings people can obviously be forcibly medicated, even held down and injected with sedatives and then put in seclusion if staff feel the need. This can have a knock-on effect that people go on to resent medical treatment. They can be angry about that for decades.
You can say "lock them all up," but if you cry over a few hundred a month in PIP payments, you'd have to be a bit of a midwit, as detention in institutional settings can cost £1000 a night.
The Groaniad is reporting that the Tommy March had numbers “way in excess of what police were expecting” and they nearly lost control as a result
That sounds like more than 110,000
Surely that would depend on what they were expecting? And is there evidence that ‘they nearly lost control’? Of what?
Just as a matter of interest...how do the polis measure the size of crowds? Is there a methodology?
I've seen a few videos about this, and it is statistically, backed up with experience and data. Jacob's method is used (AIUI), along with increased numbers through public transport hubs. I can imagine nowadays, with better live aerial imagery, counting can be done quite speedily within a loose accuracy. Certainly more accurate than the organisers' claims.
The police also have points of comparison with their weekly experience of football matches whose attendance is known, and where, like demos, there are similarly large numbers crowding the streets at the same time.
The Police are good people, most particularly the rank and file.
Our town has a more than it's fair share of Met officers, given we are 30 mins fom Euston.
The contempt the 'thin blue line' feel for their politicised over lords in the chain of command is hard to overstate if the ones I encounter are representative.
My experience with them has been weird, in that rank and file and the upper echelons have seemed like shits (for different reasons), with some really competent and well meaning people in the middle (who will never rise higher).
As well as failing upwards, this seems to be a recurring issue in UK not just in the police. The system appears to reward this behaviour and ignored those who are competent and quietly get on with the job.
The Police are good people, most particularly the rank and file.
Our town has a more than it's fair share of Met officers, given we are 30 mins fom Euston.
The contempt the 'thin blue line' feel for their politicised over lords in the chain of command is hard to overstate if the ones I encounter are representative.
My experience with them has been weird, in that rank and file and the upper echelons have seemed like shits (for different reasons), with some really competent and well meaning people in the middle (who will never rise higher).
Yes, the peope I encouter would fall into that middling category.
The Groaniad is reporting that the Tommy March had numbers “way in excess of what police were expecting” and they nearly lost control as a result
That sounds like more than 110,000
Surely that would depend on what they were expecting? And is there evidence that ‘they nearly lost control’? Of what?
Just as a matter of interest...how do the polis measure the size of crowds? Is there a methodology?
I've seen a few videos about this, and it is statistically, backed up with experience and data. Jacob's method is used (AIUI), along with increased numbers through public transport hubs. I can imagine nowadays, with better live aerial imagery, counting can be done quite speedily within a loose accuracy. Certainly more accurate than the organisers' claims.
The police also have points of comparison with their weekly experience of football matches whose attendance is known, and where, like demos, there are similarly large numbers crowding the streets at the same time.
Absolutely, on that basis its going to end up a LOT higher than the official 110k.
Compare the footage to the Jubilees in 2002/12/ 23.
The Groaniad is reporting that the Tommy March had numbers “way in excess of what police were expecting” and they nearly lost control as a result
That sounds like more than 110,000
Surely that would depend on what they were expecting? And is there evidence that ‘they nearly lost control’? Of what?
Just as a matter of interest...how do the polis measure the size of crowds? Is there a methodology?
I've seen a few videos about this, and it is statistically, backed up with experience and data. Jacob's method is used (AIUI), along with increased numbers through public transport hubs. I can imagine nowadays, with better live aerial imagery, counting can be done quite speedily within a loose accuracy. Certainly more accurate than the organisers' claims.
The police also have points of comparison with their weekly experience of football matches whose attendance is known, and where, like demos, there are similarly large numbers crowding the streets at the same time.
Absolutely, on that basis its going to end up a LOT higher than the official 110k.
Compare the footage to the Jubilees in 2002/12/ 23.
Terrible optics on the BBC news for Tommy and Elon.
Literally no one gives a fuck what the “BBC headlines” are, any more. That’s the whole point of this
Been quite a lot of criticism of the Beeb because of wall-to-wall Farage and little challenge. That said, suspect we will start seeing a change in their approach.
He must be one of those hard left radicals President Trump and Leon keep warning us about.
Astonishing that the guy is still in a job . Any other network would have sacked him and the lack of any repercussions shows Fox News is a total cesspit of hate .
My experience of visiting Utah, particularly outside Salt Lake City proper. I found it a very odd place, on the surface everybody is very nice, but too nice in a way. But you get this weird feeling that the niceness come with strings attached.
If I remember correctly Utah (or particularly Salt Lake City) has some of the highest academic achievement in the whole of the US, but also one of the highest suicide rates.
Interesting. I know it also has the highest percentage of people giving English as their ancestry in the census.
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We? There is no fucking "we". You are not from our country.
Today was bigger in terms of Central London.
My guess would be nearer 500k.
Then say any old shit you think you can hget away with.
I suppose you can look at area filled and use an average density. But that would be beyond most of the Met.
This is our moment.
Or do you have to be born here to be British. Because that would make for some interesting conversations
I would have thought AI could give the answer in seconds from an ariel photo of central london.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5AXMgg7k1U
The reporting is the numbers overwhelmed the police as exceeded what they were expecting and overflowed the designated areas.
Then came helicopter video and manual estimation for areas.
These days, probably automated off CCTV and helicopter footage.
Guardian
The MOS is moving onto Andrew , the DT and the Sunday Times seem to be flogging a dead horse now.
With no PMQs for weeks , the Trump state visit and the party conferences the media will move on .
Starmer made standards in public life his personal dividing line. He presented himself as a high court judge of politics - propriety and ethics final boss. He was always the first to throw stones - providing the target was an opponent. Now he stands exposed as an utter hypocrite
https://x.com/rosskempsell/status/1966978880482521297?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Pretty bloody disgraceful, frankly.
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What a *disgraceful* thing for [Musk] to say. If he lived in Britain that might well count as incitement to violence. Telling a crowd of people that violence is coming to them & if they don't fight back they'll die. For Pete's sake...
Our town has a more than it's fair share of Met officers, given we are 30 mins fom Euston.
The contempt the 'thin blue line' feel for their politicised over lords in the chain of command is hard to overstate if the ones I encounter are representative.
TBF, trying to navigate an editorial policy through the minefield of irrational identity politics must be rather trying. How do you account for a flag thrust in your face?
As far as I can see, he wouldn't qualify for citizenship, and I don't believe he's ever lived in the UK for any significant period - so, not British.
Most people would probably be relaxed that about having that conversation.
Take a look.
Powell is now the Starmer Is Failing candidate.
No way Bridget wins now.
ii) How many tens of millions (more?) of people are British by this definition?
iii) That makes Donald Trump British (his mum was Scottish)
See also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Americans_of_English_descent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Welsh_Americans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_Americans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scotch-Irish_Americans
His grandmother was British, but his dad was born in SA. Without knowing 100% of the details of all the families, I think his dad could have been British, but citizenship by descent doesn't usually pass down a second generation.
I suspect the "we" he's talking about is probably not "we British" anyway.
"Utah is America’s violent heart
Its deep polarisation reflects national malaise
B. Duncan Moench"
https://unherd.com/2025/09/utah-is-americas-violent-heart
"Google is in talks to build a mammoth datacentre on a site in the northeast of England that fell victim to “industrial vandalism” little more than a decade ago.
...
And the landmark project could also be scuppered by a complicated row that has pitted Sir Keir Starmer against energy secretary Ed Miliband."
Just fucking sack Ed Miliband already. Economic vandalism is all he knows. Labour are shitting up the economy and he's one of the major reasons why. Starmer should have cleaned house in the recent reshuffle and stuck him back on the back benches if he didn't like moving from energy.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15095195/tyler-robinson-roommate-text-messages-cops-arrest-utah.html
If I remember correctly Utah (or particularly Salt Lake City) has some of the highest academic achievement in the whole of the US, but also one of the highest suicide rates.
Feels like either he just cannot help but meddle anywhere because he adores attention (which tbf is pretty obvious anyway, he's not one of the reclusive type billionaires), or he just wants to spend his time on PB to nerd out on all politics but cannot work up the nerve to do it.
Personally I think we can do plenty of environmental things whilst really moving forward with all manner of economic boosting building and investment, but despite a few people in government mentioning it there's clearly not unanimity behind any kind of growth agenda.
Musk, as far as I can see, is one generation further. His parents would have been able to get citizenship, but a second generation born outside the UK doesn't usually qualify.
In institutional settings people can obviously be forcibly medicated, even held down and injected with sedatives and then put in seclusion if staff feel the need. This can have a knock-on effect that people go on to resent medical treatment. They can be angry about that for decades.
You can say "lock them all up," but if you cry over a few hundred a month in PIP payments, you'd have to be a bit of a midwit, as detention in institutional settings can cost £1000 a night.
Compare the footage to the Jubilees in 2002/12/ 23.
The crowds are much larger today then then.