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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,224
    MaxPB said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PolliticsUK
    @PolliticoUK
    🚨 Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 30% (-4)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (=)
    🌳 CON: 17% (+1)
    🔶 LDEM: 13% (-1)
    🟢 GRN: 10% (+1)

    From
    @FindoutnowUK

    From 30th July
    Changes with 23rd July"

    Hmm.

    "Your party" on +3?
    Takes some fairly elaborate massaging to think that's all going to come from Reform none from Labour.
    Not really, they're a NOTA party. There will be low information voters who are frustrated with the current government and know that they're left wing rather than right wing so will just tick that box.
    You might think there's enough Faragistes out there who've really just been waiting for Jezza and Sultana; I am extremely skeptical. You'd have to be low information bordering on retarded not to know that Farage's party are to the right of the Tories.

    A one percent decline in Reform to the Tories I believe. Labour staying level combined with a 3 percent drop in Reform strikes me as having the whiff of a methodology change toward more weighting on past vote or something of that type.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,403

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    We don’t have Gail’s in North Britain but I presume you mean the product rather than Ms Sweeney? American Eagle jeans are shit and I’d assumed that Gail’s were a step above that.
    I've never known any man in this country to even have heard of American Eagle let alone tried their jeans. You must have been quite the dedicated fan at some point.
    I know the Tory party is shit despite never having voted for them.
    The point about knowing about stuff is to be able to tell the good from the bad. I wouldn’t wear AE if I was paid to (unlike Ms Sweeney).

    Hilariously all the red blooded MAGAs exciting themselves over true blue Sydney are doing it over cheap foreign muck.

    'American Eagle jeans are primarily made in countries like China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, and Mexico'

    https://www.diznew.com/blog/where-are-american-eagle-jeans-manufactured_b4354
    Dearie me, this is just pathetic. I disagree with Ben and Jerries from a political viewpoint but it doesn't make their ice cream shit, a couple of flavours are excellent. At least be honest enough to say you don't know what the products are like if you haven't tried them.

    Admit you don't know and made a stupid comment and stop digging a hole for yourself.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,280
    The highest climber in the British male baby name chart since Oct 7 2023 is Yahya

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/yahya-soars-up-baby-name-leaderboard-orqwu1vp
  • AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 161
    kjh said:

    TOPPING said:

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    Are we all not still making our own sourdough bread at home every day?
    I don't make sourdough but I do use a bread machine to make our own bread and buy 16kg sacks of organic flour online to keep costs down - good quality fresh bread without additives, inexpensive, delicious and takes about a minute to prepare.
    It's quite a stretch to say that sticking a bunch of ingredients into a machine constitutes "mak[ing y]our own bread".
    My precise words were "I do use a bread machine to make our own bread" so I'm not sure I really see the misrepresentation here. Seems like rather extreme pedantry, even by your impressive standards.
    And anyway it is making your own bread. It is cooking. How is it any different from mixing ingredients and putting them in an oven. Admittedly making a loaf from a recipe and putting it in a bread maker is easy (although I have seen and had a few failures), but so are many other cooking recipes and you can be very creative with a bread maker. I use it to do simple bread (I made one tonight straight out of a recipe book) but also experiment with recipes. I also use it just to make dough so as to make naans, pizzas, stollen, french bread, ciabatta, rolls, so I am just taking the boring bit out of the creation eg mixing the dough with still a lot more stuff to do to get to the final product

    Am I not cooking if I make a Spag Bol with dried pasta or if I didn't grow the Seville oranges I used in the marmalade I make.

    It is all cooking. Just some more difficult than others. And a bread maker is a fantastic machine which makes the best bread, or an excellent dough, which is fortunate as it happens to be one of my favourite foods.
    I’m not criticising anybody who makes their own bread (shop-bought bread is awful regardless of how much they dress it up as ‘artisan’) but… I’ve never been a fan of using a bread maker. It’s never been that appetising. Too much sweetener for me and, having had a colectomy, bread maker bread causes more hassle.

    More than that, I don’t see the point of them. I have a bread maker - it’s me, my mixer and the oven. I can make three (farmhouse) loaves in under two hours. Mix the ingredients, knead the dough, cover to prove, answer some emails, put the laundry on, have a Teams meeting, divide and knock back the dough, put in the tins and bake when ready. I don’t see why people say they don’t have time to cook. If you have time to cook a some pasta for dinner and make some tomato sauce, err… make extra for lunch the next day.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,522
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    We don’t have Gail’s in North Britain but I presume you mean the product rather than Ms Sweeney? American Eagle jeans are shit and I’d assumed that Gail’s were a step above that.
    I've never known any man in this country to even have heard of American Eagle let alone tried their jeans. You must have been quite the dedicated fan at some point.
    I know the Tory party is shit despite never having voted for them.
    The point about knowing about stuff is to be able to tell the good from the bad. I wouldn’t wear AE if I was paid to (unlike Ms Sweeney).

    Hilariously all the red blooded MAGAs exciting themselves over true blue Sydney are doing it over cheap foreign muck.

    'American Eagle jeans are primarily made in countries like China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, and Mexico'

    https://www.diznew.com/blog/where-are-american-eagle-jeans-manufactured_b4354
    Dearie me, this is just pathetic. I disagree with Ben and Jerries from a political viewpoint but it doesn't make their ice cream shit, a couple of flavours are excellent. At least be honest enough to say you don't know what the products are like if you haven't tried them.

    Admit you don't know and made a stupid comment and stop digging a hole for yourself.
    I have picked up dozens of American Eagle jeans and dropped them in horror.

    Why don’t you stick to your strong suite of megaphoning conspiracy theories about Dem crazies shooting Dem politicians?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,748
    edited July 31
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    More worrying signs of overtourism, nonetheless.

    Sigh. Why do we do this to every little jewel of a town? Tavira was exceptional. Lovely yet almost undiscovered

    I blame the fucking travel writers

    I went to Porto in April and was surprised by how over-tourism wasn't a problem, while still being a relatively popular destination.
    I was there for this:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festa_de_São_João_do_Porto

    Delightfully mental. Everyone hits each other over the head with disposible plastic hammers.

    Apparently it was the successes of FC Porto which led to increased tourism, many europeans having never head of the place before.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,280
    Economic confidence falls to record low as tax rises loom

    Business confidence has plummeted to its lowest level since the Brexit referendum, according to a think tank, as the wealthy fear Rachel Reeves’s tax rises


    https://www.thetimes.com/article/7dd60b3f-ccd4-4a2f-8c3d-9a7e5aded711?shareToken=729730a1c9f681d00af316758073c4fc
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,403

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    We don’t have Gail’s in North Britain but I presume you mean the product rather than Ms Sweeney? American Eagle jeans are shit and I’d assumed that Gail’s were a step above that.
    I've never known any man in this country to even have heard of American Eagle let alone tried their jeans. You must have been quite the dedicated fan at some point.
    I know the Tory party is shit despite never having voted for them.
    The point about knowing about stuff is to be able to tell the good from the bad. I wouldn’t wear AE if I was paid to (unlike Ms Sweeney).

    Hilariously all the red blooded MAGAs exciting themselves over true blue Sydney are doing it over cheap foreign muck.

    'American Eagle jeans are primarily made in countries like China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, and Mexico'

    https://www.diznew.com/blog/where-are-american-eagle-jeans-manufactured_b4354
    Dearie me, this is just pathetic. I disagree with Ben and Jerries from a political viewpoint but it doesn't make their ice cream shit, a couple of flavours are excellent. At least be honest enough to say you don't know what the products are like if you haven't tried them.

    Admit you don't know and made a stupid comment and stop digging a hole for yourself.
    I have picked up dozens of American Eagle jeans and dropped them in horror.

    Why don’t you stick to your strong suite of megaphoning conspiracy theories about Dem crazies shooting Dem politicians?
    Where though? They don't have any shops here. I guess you could have made a special trip to the US just to pick up and drop said jeans.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,280
    Labour ‘cronyism’ as firm linked to tech secretary wins contracts

    Public Digital, a member of whose staff was seconded to Peter Kyle before the election, has had a fourfold increase in the value of awarded government contracts


    Labour ‘cronyism’ as firm linked to tech secretary wins contracts

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0e96f21b-a0ee-420e-9124-cbc93a0ca6e1?shareToken=4f843128d3f640c664f6910e01d6beeb
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,663
    edited July 31
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    We don’t have Gail’s in North Britain but I presume you mean the product rather than Ms Sweeney? American Eagle jeans are shit and I’d assumed that Gail’s were a step above that.
    I've never known any man in this country to even have heard of American Eagle let alone tried their jeans. You must have been quite the dedicated fan at some point.
    I know the Tory party is shit despite never having voted for them.
    The point about knowing about stuff is to be able to tell the good from the bad. I wouldn’t wear AE if I was paid to (unlike Ms Sweeney).

    Hilariously all the red blooded MAGAs exciting themselves over true blue Sydney are doing it over cheap foreign muck.

    'American Eagle jeans are primarily made in countries like China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, and Mexico'

    https://www.diznew.com/blog/where-are-american-eagle-jeans-manufactured_b4354
    Dearie me, this is just pathetic. I disagree with Ben and Jerries from a political viewpoint but it doesn't make their ice cream shit, a couple of flavours are excellent. At least be honest enough to say you don't know what the products are like if you haven't tried them.

    Admit you don't know and made a stupid comment and stop digging a hole for yourself.
    I have picked up dozens of American Eagle jeans and dropped them in horror.

    Why don’t you stick to your strong suite of megaphoning conspiracy theories about Dem crazies shooting Dem politicians?
    Where though? They don't have any shops here. I guess you could have made a special trip to the US just to pick up and drop said jeans.
    Didn’t @Theuniondivvie work in menswear as a career? Or for some time anyway? He had an anecdote about selling some apparel to Geo Galloway

    And his occasional part-selfies show man with dapper qualities

    Otherwise do carry on. An enjoyable wee PB stushie
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,686
    tlg86 said:

    Which name has fallen out favour?

    1996: 63
    2000: 54
    2004: 31
    2008: 26
    2012: 21
    2016: 14
    2020: 9
    2021: 6
    2022: 3
    2023: 4
    2024: less than 3

    Probably something fairly traditional like Richard, Thomas, John, etc.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,143
    isam said:

    Peter Hitchens suggesting Farage was to blame for the post Southport riots, and seemingly calling for Reform inclined Tory voters to cling to nurse. It’s hard to fathom Hitchens at times, he calls for the destruction of the Conservative Party then tries to save it

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-14956279/Nigel-Farage-destroy-defence-against-anti-British-Left.html

    Perhaps the Tories he despises have all joined Reform now?
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,143

    135 million quid.

    Thanks for reminding me to buy a ticket for tomorrow's EuroMillions.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,686
    Lefty Andrew Marr seems to believe Britain is in decline.

    "Britain’s decline is as much intellectual as political
    Where are our storytellers to shake us or point a way ahead?
    By Andrew Marr"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/07/britains-decline-is-as-much-intellectual-as-political
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,522
    Check your veins for sufficency of patriotism, lads.
    You 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants don't need to bother obviously.

    Ant Middleton
    @antmiddleton
    1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants SHOULD NOT hold top tier government positions! Our great nation, our culture and our great people are not naturally at the forefront of their hearts & minds! It’s just not in their nature or DNA! Patriotism can not be taught or bought and needs to run through the veins of those at the very top to ensure our country and our peoples needs and demands are not only understood but prioritised.
    Khan is a prime example of this and as witnessed over time his true alliances have come out and his innate nature and culture naturally surfaces and takes precedent! (Which we all know is very un-british).
    Our Capital City of our Christian country needs to be run by a native Brit with generational Christian values, principles and morals coursing through their veins from which our very society was built, thrived and was forged upon. 🫡🇬🇧
    Look what has happened since we stopped this practice! #asteadydecline
    Last edited
    5:52 pm · 31 Jul 2025

    https://x.com/antmiddleton/status/1950962852363215195
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,122
    Labour hold in Barking from Greens secomd, Reform 3rd, Tories 4th
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,686
    edited July 31

    Labour hold in Barking from Greens secomd, Reform 3rd, Tories 4th

    This ward is about two-thirds non-white so Reform were unlikely to do well.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,172

    Check your veins for sufficency of patriotism, lads.
    You 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants don't need to bother obviously.

    Ant Middleton
    @antmiddleton
    1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants SHOULD NOT hold top tier government positions! Our great nation, our culture and our great people are not naturally at the forefront of their hearts & minds! It’s just not in their nature or DNA! Patriotism can not be taught or bought and needs to run through the veins of those at the very top to ensure our country and our peoples needs and demands are not only understood but prioritised.
    Khan is a prime example of this and as witnessed over time his true alliances have come out and his innate nature and culture naturally surfaces and takes precedent! (Which we all know is very un-british).
    Our Capital City of our Christian country needs to be run by a native Brit with generational Christian values, principles and morals coursing through their veins from which our very society was built, thrived and was forged upon. 🫡🇬🇧
    Look what has happened since we stopped this practice! #asteadydecline
    Last edited
    5:52 pm · 31 Jul 2025

    https://x.com/antmiddleton/status/1950962852363215195

    For context - who is the post from? I don't have 'X' so can only see a brief bio that suggests 'nutter'.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,172
    Andy_JS said:

    tlg86 said:

    Which name has fallen out favour?

    1996: 63
    2000: 54
    2004: 31
    2008: 26
    2012: 21
    2016: 14
    2020: 9
    2021: 6
    2022: 3
    2023: 4
    2024: less than 3

    Probably something fairly traditional like Richard, Thomas, John, etc.
    'Leon'?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,122
    Andy_JS said:

    Labour hold in Barking from Greens secomd, Reform 3rd, Tories 4th

    This ward is about two-thirds non-white so Reform were unlikely to do well.
    Labours vote nearly halved so their total hold on the council looks under threat
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,686
    edited July 31
    Barking & Dagenham, Thames View

    Lucy Sara LEE (Lab) 334
    Paul David POWLESLAND (Green) 277
    Lewis Reece HOLMES (Reform) 197
    Andrew BOFF (Conservative) 117

    Lab 36.11%
    Grn 29.95%
    Ref 21.30%
    Con 12.65%

    Lab -25.93%
    Grn +29.95%
    Ref +21.30%
    Con -10.62%
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,172
    isam said:

    The highest climber in the British male baby name chart since Oct 7 2023 is Yahya

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/yahya-soars-up-baby-name-leaderboard-orqwu1vp

    I once met a couple who'd called their child "Beckham'. As a first name. We didn't remain friends.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,713

    Check your veins for sufficency of patriotism, lads.
    You 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants don't need to bother obviously.

    Ant Middleton
    @antmiddleton
    1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants SHOULD NOT hold top tier government positions! Our great nation, our culture and our great people are not naturally at the forefront of their hearts & minds! It’s just not in their nature or DNA! Patriotism can not be taught or bought and needs to run through the veins of those at the very top to ensure our country and our peoples needs and demands are not only understood but prioritised.
    Khan is a prime example of this and as witnessed over time his true alliances have come out and his innate nature and culture naturally surfaces and takes precedent! (Which we all know is very un-british).
    Our Capital City of our Christian country needs to be run by a native Brit with generational Christian values, principles and morals coursing through their veins from which our very society was built, thrived and was forged upon. 🫡🇬🇧
    Look what has happened since we stopped this practice! #asteadydecline
    Last edited
    5:52 pm · 31 Jul 2025

    https://x.com/antmiddleton/status/1950962852363215195

    Good grief . What a shameful tweet . Horrific and one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever had the misfortune to read .
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,434
    ohnotnow said:

    Check your veins for sufficency of patriotism, lads.
    You 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants don't need to bother obviously.

    Ant Middleton
    @antmiddleton
    1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants SHOULD NOT hold top tier government positions! Our great nation, our culture and our great people are not naturally at the forefront of their hearts & minds! It’s just not in their nature or DNA! Patriotism can not be taught or bought and needs to run through the veins of those at the very top to ensure our country and our peoples needs and demands are not only understood but prioritised.
    Khan is a prime example of this and as witnessed over time his true alliances have come out and his innate nature and culture naturally surfaces and takes precedent! (Which we all know is very un-british).
    Our Capital City of our Christian country needs to be run by a native Brit with generational Christian values, principles and morals coursing through their veins from which our very society was built, thrived and was forged upon. 🫡🇬🇧
    Look what has happened since we stopped this practice! #asteadydecline
    Last edited
    5:52 pm · 31 Jul 2025

    https://x.com/antmiddleton/status/1950962852363215195

    For context - who is the post from? I don't have 'X' so can only see a brief bio that suggests 'nutter'.
    Ant, of the Saturday night Ant and Dec variety show duo.

    I can only presume that he has fried his brain on drink, drugs and Social Media. While it is possible to recover his marbles, it's hard to see him getting another TV job.

  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,713
    edited July 31
    Foxy said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Check your veins for sufficency of patriotism, lads.
    You 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants don't need to bother obviously.

    Ant Middleton
    @antmiddleton
    1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants SHOULD NOT hold top tier government positions! Our great nation, our culture and our great people are not naturally at the forefront of their hearts & minds! It’s just not in their nature or DNA! Patriotism can not be taught or bought and needs to run through the veins of those at the very top to ensure our country and our peoples needs and demands are not only understood but prioritised.
    Khan is a prime example of this and as witnessed over time his true alliances have come out and his innate nature and culture naturally surfaces and takes precedent! (Which we all know is very un-british).
    Our Capital City of our Christian country needs to be run by a native Brit with generational Christian values, principles and morals coursing through their veins from which our very society was built, thrived and was forged upon. 🫡🇬🇧
    Look what has happened since we stopped this practice! #asteadydecline
    Last edited
    5:52 pm · 31 Jul 2025

    https://x.com/antmiddleton/status/1950962852363215195

    For context - who is the post from? I don't have 'X' so can only see a brief bio that suggests 'nutter'.
    Ant, of the Saturday night Ant and Dec variety show duo.

    I can only presume that he has fried his brain on drink, drugs and Social Media. While it is possible to recover his marbles, it's hard to see him getting another TV job.

    No it’s not him . Look at the pic in the tweet . He used to do a programme on Channel 4 before being fired.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,971
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    We don’t have Gail’s in North Britain but I presume you mean the product rather than Ms Sweeney? American Eagle jeans are shit and I’d assumed that Gail’s were a step above that.
    I've never known any man in this country to even have heard of American Eagle let alone tried their jeans. You must have been quite the dedicated fan at some point.
    I know the Tory party is shit despite never having voted for them.
    The point about knowing about stuff is to be able to tell the good from the bad. I wouldn’t wear AE if I was paid to (unlike Ms Sweeney).

    Hilariously all the red blooded MAGAs exciting themselves over true blue Sydney are doing it over cheap foreign muck.

    'American Eagle jeans are primarily made in countries like China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, and Mexico'

    https://www.diznew.com/blog/where-are-american-eagle-jeans-manufactured_b4354
    Dearie me, this is just pathetic. I disagree with Ben and Jerries from a political viewpoint but it doesn't make their ice cream shit, a couple of flavours are excellent. At least be honest enough to say you don't know what the products are like if you haven't tried them.

    Admit you don't know and made a stupid comment and stop digging a hole for yourself.
    Like when you were claiming it was left on left when the Hortman's were murdered?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,434
    nico67 said:

    Foxy said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Check your veins for sufficency of patriotism, lads.
    You 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants don't need to bother obviously.

    Ant Middleton
    @antmiddleton
    1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants SHOULD NOT hold top tier government positions! Our great nation, our culture and our great people are not naturally at the forefront of their hearts & minds! It’s just not in their nature or DNA! Patriotism can not be taught or bought and needs to run through the veins of those at the very top to ensure our country and our peoples needs and demands are not only understood but prioritised.
    Khan is a prime example of this and as witnessed over time his true alliances have come out and his innate nature and culture naturally surfaces and takes precedent! (Which we all know is very un-british).
    Our Capital City of our Christian country needs to be run by a native Brit with generational Christian values, principles and morals coursing through their veins from which our very society was built, thrived and was forged upon. 🫡🇬🇧
    Look what has happened since we stopped this practice! #asteadydecline
    Last edited
    5:52 pm · 31 Jul 2025

    https://x.com/antmiddleton/status/1950962852363215195

    For context - who is the post from? I don't have 'X' so can only see a brief bio that suggests 'nutter'.
    Ant, of the Saturday night Ant and Dec variety show duo.

    I can only presume that he has fried his brain on drink, drugs and Social Media. While it is possible to recover his marbles, it's hard to see him getting another TV job.

    No it’s not him . Look at the pic in the tweet .
    Ah, my mistake. Name is too similar.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,043
    Tres said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    We don’t have Gail’s in North Britain but I presume you mean the product rather than Ms Sweeney? American Eagle jeans are shit and I’d assumed that Gail’s were a step above that.
    I've never known any man in this country to even have heard of American Eagle let alone tried their jeans. You must have been quite the dedicated fan at some point.
    I know the Tory party is shit despite never having voted for them.
    The point about knowing about stuff is to be able to tell the good from the bad. I wouldn’t wear AE if I was paid to (unlike Ms Sweeney).

    Hilariously all the red blooded MAGAs exciting themselves over true blue Sydney are doing it over cheap foreign muck.

    'American Eagle jeans are primarily made in countries like China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, and Mexico'

    https://www.diznew.com/blog/where-are-american-eagle-jeans-manufactured_b4354
    Dearie me, this is just pathetic. I disagree with Ben and Jerries from a political viewpoint but it doesn't make their ice cream shit, a couple of flavours are excellent. At least be honest enough to say you don't know what the products are like if you haven't tried them.

    Admit you don't know and made a stupid comment and stop digging a hole for yourself.
    Like when you were claiming it was left on left when the Hortman's were murdered?
    Was that down to someone having bad jeans? Or bad genes?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,404
    Foxy said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Check your veins for sufficency of patriotism, lads.
    You 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants don't need to bother obviously.

    Ant Middleton
    @antmiddleton
    1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants SHOULD NOT hold top tier government positions! Our great nation, our culture and our great people are not naturally at the forefront of their hearts & minds! It’s just not in their nature or DNA! Patriotism can not be taught or bought and needs to run through the veins of those at the very top to ensure our country and our peoples needs and demands are not only understood but prioritised.
    Khan is a prime example of this and as witnessed over time his true alliances have come out and his innate nature and culture naturally surfaces and takes precedent! (Which we all know is very un-british).
    Our Capital City of our Christian country needs to be run by a native Brit with generational Christian values, principles and morals coursing through their veins from which our very society was built, thrived and was forged upon. 🫡🇬🇧
    Look what has happened since we stopped this practice! #asteadydecline
    Last edited
    5:52 pm · 31 Jul 2025

    https://x.com/antmiddleton/status/1950962852363215195

    For context - who is the post from? I don't have 'X' so can only see a brief bio that suggests 'nutter'.
    Ant, of the Saturday night Ant and Dec variety show duo.

    I can only presume that he has fried his brain on drink, drugs and Social Media. While it is possible to recover his marbles, it's hard to see him getting another TV job.

    Not that Ant, he's another Ant.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,233
    edited July 31
    isam said:

    Peter Hitchens suggesting Farage was to blame for the post Southport riots, and seemingly calling for Reform inclined Tory voters to cling to nurse. It’s hard to fathom Hitchens at times, he calls for the destruction of the Conservative Party then tries to save it

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-14956279/Nigel-Farage-destroy-defence-against-anti-British-Left.html

    Hitchens loves being contrarian, he hated the Tories when they were riding high in the polls and in government and hated Blair and now he dislikes Farage too. His ideal PM would I suspect be a combination of Gordon Brown and IDS, as dull and serious as possible and relatively socially conservative, so not a million miles from Kemi who IDS is a big backer of
  • isamisam Posts: 42,280
    edited July 31
    Great to see James O’Brien pulled up for his outrageous platforming of Carl Beech’s fantasies, but what took Harvey Proctor so long?

    https://x.com/kharveyproctor/status/1951011535498911862?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,440
    Given Mexico's flag, I rather like the idea of American Eagle jeans being made there.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,280
    edited July 31
    Looks like the Boris wave is to blame

    The time has come for a national conversation about the link between immigration and crime.


    https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1951048495219220641?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,404
    edited July 31
    Andy_JS said:

    Lefty Andrew Marr seems to believe Britain is in decline.

    "Britain’s decline is as much intellectual as political
    Where are our storytellers to shake us or point a way ahead?
    By Andrew Marr"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/07/britains-decline-is-as-much-intellectual-as-political

    Hmm, that's not really what the article says. Marr is pointing out the lack of storytellers and explainers. It's not true - there are tons on youtube - but what we are missing is a mythos. One of the guys I follow on YouTube is called Damien Walter, who is convinced that we do not have a 21st century mythos and the gap is filled by complaining or older mythos such as fascism

    https://damiengwalter.com/2025/03/18/lost-found/
    https://www.youtube.com/@DamienWalter
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,502
    viewcode said:

    We are as a society unwilling to use the word "suicide"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27nl6l2r9o

    Terrible.

    Once again why I strongly believe we should legalise assisted dying and offer it to everyone who wants it, subject to a cooling off period. Not just the terminally ill.

    Nobody should ever be so miserable they think that stepping in front of a train is their only solution.

    Support, counselling etc should be offered to those who need it, but for anyone who wants to terminate their life, there should be a safe, humane way for them to peacefully do that at a time of their choosing, rather than jumping off a bridge or stepping in front of a train or cutting themselves or a number of other really terrible options.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,350
    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Check your veins for sufficency of patriotism, lads.
    You 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants don't need to bother obviously.

    Ant Middleton
    @antmiddleton
    1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants SHOULD NOT hold top tier government positions! Our great nation, our culture and our great people are not naturally at the forefront of their hearts & minds! It’s just not in their nature or DNA! Patriotism can not be taught or bought and needs to run through the veins of those at the very top to ensure our country and our peoples needs and demands are not only understood but prioritised.
    Khan is a prime example of this and as witnessed over time his true alliances have come out and his innate nature and culture naturally surfaces and takes precedent! (Which we all know is very un-british).
    Our Capital City of our Christian country needs to be run by a native Brit with generational Christian values, principles and morals coursing through their veins from which our very society was built, thrived and was forged upon. 🫡🇬🇧
    Look what has happened since we stopped this practice! #asteadydecline
    Last edited
    5:52 pm · 31 Jul 2025

    https://x.com/antmiddleton/status/1950962852363215195

    For context - who is the post from? I don't have 'X' so can only see a brief bio that suggests 'nutter'.
    Ant, of the Saturday night Ant and Dec variety show duo.

    I can only presume that he has fried his brain on drink, drugs and Social Media. While it is possible to recover his marbles, it's hard to see him getting another TV job.

    Not that Ant, he's another Ant.
    Yep, Middleton is the racist from SAS who dares wins who wants to be the Reform candidate for London Mayor and failed to pay over £1m in taxes owed to HMRC.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,663
    Foxy said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Check your veins for sufficency of patriotism, lads.
    You 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants don't need to bother obviously.

    Ant Middleton
    @antmiddleton
    1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants SHOULD NOT hold top tier government positions! Our great nation, our culture and our great people are not naturally at the forefront of their hearts & minds! It’s just not in their nature or DNA! Patriotism can not be taught or bought and needs to run through the veins of those at the very top to ensure our country and our peoples needs and demands are not only understood but prioritised.
    Khan is a prime example of this and as witnessed over time his true alliances have come out and his innate nature and culture naturally surfaces and takes precedent! (Which we all know is very un-british).
    Our Capital City of our Christian country needs to be run by a native Brit with generational Christian values, principles and morals coursing through their veins from which our very society was built, thrived and was forged upon. 🫡🇬🇧
    Look what has happened since we stopped this practice! #asteadydecline
    Last edited
    5:52 pm · 31 Jul 2025

    https://x.com/antmiddleton/status/1950962852363215195

    For context - who is the post from? I don't have 'X' so can only see a brief bio that suggests 'nutter'.
    Ant, of the Saturday night Ant and Dec variety show duo.

    I can only presume that he has fried his brain on drink, drugs and Social Media. While it is possible to recover his marbles, it's hard to see him getting another TV job.

    You utter moron
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,686
    edited July 31
    Re the cricket, you'd think India need to get at least 275 to make it a competitive match. They're 204-6 overnight.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,713

    viewcode said:

    We are as a society unwilling to use the word "suicide"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27nl6l2r9o

    Terrible.

    Once again why I strongly believe we should legalise assisted dying and offer it to everyone who wants it, subject to a cooling off period. Not just the terminally ill.

    Nobody should ever be so miserable they think that stepping in front of a train is their only solution.

    Support, counselling etc should be offered to those who need it, but for anyone who wants to terminate their life, there should be a safe, humane way for them to peacefully do that at a time of their choosing, rather than jumping off a bridge or stepping in front of a train or cutting themselves or a number of other really terrible options.
    I’m pro assisted dying for those terminally ill . The vast majority of people suffering from severe depression and possible suicidal thoughts can be treated and that’s a totally different matter .
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,532
    edited July 31
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Lefty Andrew Marr seems to believe Britain is in decline.

    "Britain’s decline is as much intellectual as political
    Where are our storytellers to shake us or point a way ahead?
    By Andrew Marr"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/07/britains-decline-is-as-much-intellectual-as-political

    Hmm, that's not really what the article says. Marr is pointing out the lack of storytellers and explainers. It's not true - there are tons on youtube - but what we are missing is a mythos. One of the guys I follow on YouTube is called Damien Walter, who is convinced that we do not have a 21st century mythos and the gap is filled by complaining or older mythos such as fascism

    https://damiengwalter.com/2025/03/18/lost-found/
    https://www.youtube.com/@DamienWalter
    Evening, PB.

    I very much agree with this point. Trump.got in partly because he had a mythos, as I talked about at the time. The left and left-of-centre urgently need to find a new mythos, as strong as those that they had between the late eighteenth century and the late 20th.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,404
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Lefty Andrew Marr seems to believe Britain is in decline.

    "Britain’s decline is as much intellectual as political
    Where are our storytellers to shake us or point a way ahead?
    By Andrew Marr"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/07/britains-decline-is-as-much-intellectual-as-political

    Hmm, that's not really what the article says. Marr is pointing out the lack of storytellers and explainers. It's not true - there are tons on youtube - but what we are missing is a mythos. One of the guys I follow on YouTube is called Damien Walter, who is convinced that we do not have a 21st century mythos and the gap is filled by complaining or older mythos such as fascism

    https://damiengwalter.com/2025/03/18/lost-found/
    https://www.youtube.com/@DamienWalter
    People don't believe facts, they believe stories. Narratives. But the 20th century narratives died: nobody believes in a Star Trek future any more. What is the future we are building towards? Labour had its corporatism, Thatcher had her freedom in capitalism. Both failed. Without an optimistic narrative people resort to negative or nihilistic ones, such as antiwoke or Ant's theocracy. Starmer doesn't get this and isn't providing one.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,713
    Dopermean said:

    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Check your veins for sufficency of patriotism, lads.
    You 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants don't need to bother obviously.

    Ant Middleton
    @antmiddleton
    1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants SHOULD NOT hold top tier government positions! Our great nation, our culture and our great people are not naturally at the forefront of their hearts & minds! It’s just not in their nature or DNA! Patriotism can not be taught or bought and needs to run through the veins of those at the very top to ensure our country and our peoples needs and demands are not only understood but prioritised.
    Khan is a prime example of this and as witnessed over time his true alliances have come out and his innate nature and culture naturally surfaces and takes precedent! (Which we all know is very un-british).
    Our Capital City of our Christian country needs to be run by a native Brit with generational Christian values, principles and morals coursing through their veins from which our very society was built, thrived and was forged upon. 🫡🇬🇧
    Look what has happened since we stopped this practice! #asteadydecline
    Last edited
    5:52 pm · 31 Jul 2025

    https://x.com/antmiddleton/status/1950962852363215195

    For context - who is the post from? I don't have 'X' so can only see a brief bio that suggests 'nutter'.
    Ant, of the Saturday night Ant and Dec variety show duo.

    I can only presume that he has fried his brain on drink, drugs and Social Media. While it is possible to recover his marbles, it's hard to see him getting another TV job.

    Not that Ant, he's another Ant.
    Yep, Middleton is the racist from SAS who dares wins who wants to be the Reform candidate for London Mayor and failed to pay over £1m in taxes owed to HMRC.
    Using his twisted logic Reforms Zia Yusuf if he became an MP and was in a position to get a top job in a Reform government would be barred .
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,434

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Lefty Andrew Marr seems to believe Britain is in decline.

    "Britain’s decline is as much intellectual as political
    Where are our storytellers to shake us or point a way ahead?
    By Andrew Marr"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/07/britains-decline-is-as-much-intellectual-as-political

    Hmm, that's not really what the article says. Marr is pointing out the lack of storytellers and explainers. It's not true - there are tons on youtube - but what we are missing is a mythos. One of the guys I follow on YouTube is called Damien Walter, who is convinced that we do not have a 21st century mythos and the gap is filled by complaining or older mythos such as fascism

    https://damiengwalter.com/2025/03/18/lost-found/
    https://www.youtube.com/@DamienWalter
    Evening, PB.

    I very much agree with this point. Trump.got in partly because he had a mythos, as I talked about at the time. The left and left-of-centre urgently need to find a new mythos, as strong as those that they had between the late eighteenth century and the late 20th.
    Trump's mythos is however "the politics of eternity"

    https://eastangliabylines.co.uk/politics/the-politics-of-eternity-weaponising-moments-that-never-were/

    So asking MAGA Americans when was America great is very revealing. Many different eras and communities, and no recognition of why America wanted change from those times.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,502
    nico67 said:

    viewcode said:

    We are as a society unwilling to use the word "suicide"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27nl6l2r9o

    Terrible.

    Once again why I strongly believe we should legalise assisted dying and offer it to everyone who wants it, subject to a cooling off period. Not just the terminally ill.

    Nobody should ever be so miserable they think that stepping in front of a train is their only solution.

    Support, counselling etc should be offered to those who need it, but for anyone who wants to terminate their life, there should be a safe, humane way for them to peacefully do that at a time of their choosing, rather than jumping off a bridge or stepping in front of a train or cutting themselves or a number of other really terrible options.
    I’m pro assisted dying for those terminally ill . The vast majority of people suffering from severe depression and possible suicidal thoughts can be treated and that’s a totally different matter .
    Maybe they can be, but that should be their choice.

    I'm not suggesting cyanide should be available over the counter, but subject to safeguards such as a cooling down period, if someone really wants to end their life there should be a humane and legal option available to them.

    Not telling people that their only choice is to step in front of a train. Nobody should ever find themselves in that situation, and far too many people do.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,532
    edited July 31
    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Lefty Andrew Marr seems to believe Britain is in decline.

    "Britain’s decline is as much intellectual as political
    Where are our storytellers to shake us or point a way ahead?
    By Andrew Marr"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/07/britains-decline-is-as-much-intellectual-as-political

    Hmm, that's not really what the article says. Marr is pointing out the lack of storytellers and explainers. It's not true - there are tons on youtube - but what we are missing is a mythos. One of the guys I follow on YouTube is called Damien Walter, who is convinced that we do not have a 21st century mythos and the gap is filled by complaining or older mythos such as fascism

    https://damiengwalter.com/2025/03/18/lost-found/
    https://www.youtube.com/@DamienWalter
    Evening, PB.

    I very much agree with this point. Trump.got in partly because he had a mythos, as I talked about at the time. The left and left-of-centre urgently need to find a new mythos, as strong as those that they had between the late eighteenth century and the late 20th.
    Trump's mythos is however "the politics of eternity"

    https://eastangliabylines.co.uk/politics/the-politics-of-eternity-weaponising-moments-that-never-were/

    So asking MAGA Americans when was America great is very revealing. Many different eras and communities, and no recognition of why America wanted change from those times.
    Indeed. But it's important that the aspiration is towards eternity, even if the means is total cobblers. The modern Left could learn a bit from that, I think, in contrast to some of the recent tendency to here-and-now judgementalism.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,043
    Re Palestine recognition

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78z69x61e6o

    So the lawyers want the Government to hold to a definition of a state that can be recognised.

    In a 1933 treaty that the U.K. isn’t a signatory of.

    I know stretching the law is fashionable. But surely we have to sign up to it first? Or is the next step getting rid of that voting-on-laws crap?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,434

    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Lefty Andrew Marr seems to believe Britain is in decline.

    "Britain’s decline is as much intellectual as political
    Where are our storytellers to shake us or point a way ahead?
    By Andrew Marr"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/07/britains-decline-is-as-much-intellectual-as-political

    Hmm, that's not really what the article says. Marr is pointing out the lack of storytellers and explainers. It's not true - there are tons on youtube - but what we are missing is a mythos. One of the guys I follow on YouTube is called Damien Walter, who is convinced that we do not have a 21st century mythos and the gap is filled by complaining or older mythos such as fascism

    https://damiengwalter.com/2025/03/18/lost-found/
    https://www.youtube.com/@DamienWalter
    Evening, PB.

    I very much agree with this point. Trump.got in partly because he had a mythos, as I talked about at the time. The left and left-of-centre urgently need to find a new mythos, as strong as those that they had between the late eighteenth century and the late 20th.
    Trump's mythos is however "the politics of eternity"

    https://eastangliabylines.co.uk/politics/the-politics-of-eternity-weaponising-moments-that-never-were/

    So asking MAGA Americans when was America great is very revealing. Many different eras and communities, and no recognition of why America wanted change from those times.
    Indeed. But it's important that the aspiration is towards eternity, even if the means is total cobblers. The Left could learn from thar, I think, rather than its recent endency to focus on judgementalism.
    Oh, I agree.

    Politics needs vision. That is something that Blair exuded, and Corbyn too, but Starmer has none.

    Mind you, I don't think any of our other party leaders show much vision either. Politics is now mostly about negativity and the people and things that we don't want.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,686
    edited July 31
    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Lefty Andrew Marr seems to believe Britain is in decline.

    "Britain’s decline is as much intellectual as political
    Where are our storytellers to shake us or point a way ahead?
    By Andrew Marr"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/07/britains-decline-is-as-much-intellectual-as-political

    Hmm, that's not really what the article says. Marr is pointing out the lack of storytellers and explainers. It's not true - there are tons on youtube - but what we are missing is a mythos. One of the guys I follow on YouTube is called Damien Walter, who is convinced that we do not have a 21st century mythos and the gap is filled by complaining or older mythos such as fascism

    https://damiengwalter.com/2025/03/18/lost-found/
    https://www.youtube.com/@DamienWalter
    Evening, PB.

    I very much agree with this point. Trump.got in partly because he had a mythos, as I talked about at the time. The left and left-of-centre urgently need to find a new mythos, as strong as those that they had between the late eighteenth century and the late 20th.
    Trump's mythos is however "the politics of eternity"

    https://eastangliabylines.co.uk/politics/the-politics-of-eternity-weaponising-moments-that-never-were/

    So asking MAGA Americans when was America great is very revealing. Many different eras and communities, and no recognition of why America wanted change from those times.
    Most political movements rely on myths to motivate their supporters. Just picking on one political movement and saying "look how silly they are to invoke myths" doesn't really make any sense, because you could just as easily say the same thing about the others. Also, we keep hearing how populists are making promises they can't keep, etc, but — again — the same thing could be said about most of the other political parties as they've attempted to win votes and elections over the years.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,713
    Trump is using trade tariffs to interfere in a countries judicial system in relation to Brazil aswell as their foreign affairs re Canada .

    The UK government is now in the position of rolling the red carpet out for Trump as he continues to attack Canada . The King must be extremely worried . The optics of a state visit for the stain on humanity are appalling .
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,404

    nico67 said:

    viewcode said:

    We are as a society unwilling to use the word "suicide"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27nl6l2r9o

    Terrible.

    Once again why I strongly believe we should legalise assisted dying and offer it to everyone who wants it, subject to a cooling off period. Not just the terminally ill.

    Nobody should ever be so miserable they think that stepping in front of a train is their only solution.

    Support, counselling etc should be offered to those who need it, but for anyone who wants to terminate their life, there should be a safe, humane way for them to peacefully do that at a time of their choosing, rather than jumping off a bridge or stepping in front of a train or cutting themselves or a number of other really terrible options.
    I’m pro assisted dying for those terminally ill . The vast majority of people suffering from severe depression and possible suicidal thoughts can be treated and that’s a totally different matter .
    Maybe they can be, but that should be their choice.

    I'm not suggesting cyanide should be available over the counter, but subject to safeguards such as a cooling down period, if someone really wants to end their life there should be a humane and legal option available to them.

    Not telling people that their only choice is to step in front of a train. Nobody should ever find themselves in that situation, and far too many people do.

    nico67 said:

    viewcode said:

    We are as a society unwilling to use the word "suicide"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27nl6l2r9o

    Terrible.

    Once again why I strongly believe we should legalise assisted dying and offer it to everyone who wants it, subject to a cooling off period. Not just the terminally ill.

    Nobody should ever be so miserable they think that stepping in front of a train is their only solution.

    Support, counselling etc should be offered to those who need it, but for anyone who wants to terminate their life, there should be a safe, humane way for them to peacefully do that at a time of their choosing, rather than jumping off a bridge or stepping in front of a train or cutting themselves or a number of other really terrible options.
    I’m pro assisted dying for those terminally ill . The vast majority of people suffering from severe depression and possible suicidal thoughts can be treated and that’s a totally different matter .
    Maybe they can be, but that should be their choice.

    I'm not suggesting cyanide should be available over the counter, but subject to safeguards such as a cooling down period, if someone really wants to end their life there should be a humane and legal option available to them.

    Not telling people that their only choice is to step in front of a train. Nobody should ever find themselves in that situation, and far too many people do.
    It is very difficult to kill yourself, as Dorothy Parker noted
    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44835/resume-56d2241505225

    The humane method you speak of would probably be a morphine overdose. Methods such as nitrogen or helium inhalation can go wrong. The usual methods - drowning, paracetamol overdose, bleach drinking, hanging, firearms, train - can be hideously painful and distressing for the suicide and those who clean up after or during. There are few cries so plaintive as those from a deliberate overdose who no longer wants to die but will inevitably do so due to organ damage and collapse. Life is sometimes very bad.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,502
    viewcode said:

    nico67 said:

    viewcode said:

    We are as a society unwilling to use the word "suicide"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27nl6l2r9o

    Terrible.

    Once again why I strongly believe we should legalise assisted dying and offer it to everyone who wants it, subject to a cooling off period. Not just the terminally ill.

    Nobody should ever be so miserable they think that stepping in front of a train is their only solution.

    Support, counselling etc should be offered to those who need it, but for anyone who wants to terminate their life, there should be a safe, humane way for them to peacefully do that at a time of their choosing, rather than jumping off a bridge or stepping in front of a train or cutting themselves or a number of other really terrible options.
    I’m pro assisted dying for those terminally ill . The vast majority of people suffering from severe depression and possible suicidal thoughts can be treated and that’s a totally different matter .
    Maybe they can be, but that should be their choice.

    I'm not suggesting cyanide should be available over the counter, but subject to safeguards such as a cooling down period, if someone really wants to end their life there should be a humane and legal option available to them.

    Not telling people that their only choice is to step in front of a train. Nobody should ever find themselves in that situation, and far too many people do.

    nico67 said:

    viewcode said:

    We are as a society unwilling to use the word "suicide"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27nl6l2r9o

    Terrible.

    Once again why I strongly believe we should legalise assisted dying and offer it to everyone who wants it, subject to a cooling off period. Not just the terminally ill.

    Nobody should ever be so miserable they think that stepping in front of a train is their only solution.

    Support, counselling etc should be offered to those who need it, but for anyone who wants to terminate their life, there should be a safe, humane way for them to peacefully do that at a time of their choosing, rather than jumping off a bridge or stepping in front of a train or cutting themselves or a number of other really terrible options.
    I’m pro assisted dying for those terminally ill . The vast majority of people suffering from severe depression and possible suicidal thoughts can be treated and that’s a totally different matter .
    Maybe they can be, but that should be their choice.

    I'm not suggesting cyanide should be available over the counter, but subject to safeguards such as a cooling down period, if someone really wants to end their life there should be a humane and legal option available to them.

    Not telling people that their only choice is to step in front of a train. Nobody should ever find themselves in that situation, and far too many people do.
    It is very difficult to kill yourself, as Dorothy Parker noted
    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44835/resume-56d2241505225

    The humane method you speak of would probably be a morphine overdose. Methods such as nitrogen or helium inhalation can go wrong. The usual methods - drowning, paracetamol overdose, bleach drinking, hanging, firearms, train - can be hideously painful and distressing for the suicide and those who clean up after or during. There are few cries so plaintive as those from a deliberate overdose who no longer wants to die but will inevitably do so due to organ damage and collapse. Life is sometimes very bad.
    Yes, its absolutely awful for all those affected, not just the individual. Including often loved ones who have to find the body and potentially need to clean up the mess.

    Morphine, in a controlled, professional, safeguarded manner is far more humane way to say goodbye.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,434
    viewcode said:

    nico67 said:

    viewcode said:

    We are as a society unwilling to use the word "suicide"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27nl6l2r9o

    Terrible.

    Once again why I strongly believe we should legalise assisted dying and offer it to everyone who wants it, subject to a cooling off period. Not just the terminally ill.

    Nobody should ever be so miserable they think that stepping in front of a train is their only solution.

    Support, counselling etc should be offered to those who need it, but for anyone who wants to terminate their life, there should be a safe, humane way for them to peacefully do that at a time of their choosing, rather than jumping off a bridge or stepping in front of a train or cutting themselves or a number of other really terrible options.
    I’m pro assisted dying for those terminally ill . The vast majority of people suffering from severe depression and possible suicidal thoughts can be treated and that’s a totally different matter .
    Maybe they can be, but that should be their choice.

    I'm not suggesting cyanide should be available over the counter, but subject to safeguards such as a cooling down period, if someone really wants to end their life there should be a humane and legal option available to them.

    Not telling people that their only choice is to step in front of a train. Nobody should ever find themselves in that situation, and far too many people do.

    nico67 said:

    viewcode said:

    We are as a society unwilling to use the word "suicide"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27nl6l2r9o

    Terrible.

    Once again why I strongly believe we should legalise assisted dying and offer it to everyone who wants it, subject to a cooling off period. Not just the terminally ill.

    Nobody should ever be so miserable they think that stepping in front of a train is their only solution.

    Support, counselling etc should be offered to those who need it, but for anyone who wants to terminate their life, there should be a safe, humane way for them to peacefully do that at a time of their choosing, rather than jumping off a bridge or stepping in front of a train or cutting themselves or a number of other really terrible options.
    I’m pro assisted dying for those terminally ill . The vast majority of people suffering from severe depression and possible suicidal thoughts can be treated and that’s a totally different matter .
    Maybe they can be, but that should be their choice.

    I'm not suggesting cyanide should be available over the counter, but subject to safeguards such as a cooling down period, if someone really wants to end their life there should be a humane and legal option available to them.

    Not telling people that their only choice is to step in front of a train. Nobody should ever find themselves in that situation, and far too many people do.
    It is very difficult to kill yourself, as Dorothy Parker noted
    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44835/resume-56d2241505225

    The humane method you speak of would probably be a morphine overdose. Methods such as nitrogen or helium inhalation can go wrong. The usual methods - drowning, paracetamol overdose, bleach drinking, hanging, firearms, train - can be hideously painful and distressing for the suicide and those who clean up after or during. There are few cries so plaintive as those from a deliberate overdose who no longer wants to die but will inevitably do so due to organ damage and collapse. Life is sometimes very bad.
    Paracetamol overdose is particularly nasty. A couple of days later, once they have had time to regret it their liver packs up, and liver failure is a pretty unpleasant way to die.

    Suicides are often impulsive, which is why restricting access to fatal drugs, firearms etc works fairly well at prevention.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,478

    eek said:

    Trump now has his press secretary telling the Nobel committee that it is well past the time he should receive the peace prize.

    It is just pathetic.

    Um - given that he became President (again) in January and awards are announced in October - they've not had an opportunity to turn him down yet.
    They should bring forward the announcement. I mean it's not like anyone else is going to get it is it?
    Might as well go the whole hog and give him the Physics Prize as well. Just because.
    MAGA twitter is already arguing that he must get the economics prize because his tariffs, we were told by proper economists, would crash the economy and raise inflation and actually eggs have never been cheaper and there has never been so much importation etc etc.
    So just literature, chemistry and....? to go.
    He definitely churns out a lot of fiction
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,478
    tlg86 said:

    Which name has fallen out favour?

    1996: 63
    2000: 54
    2004: 31
    2008: 26
    2012: 21
    2016: 14
    2020: 9
    2021: 6
    2022: 3
    2023: 4
    2024: less than 3

    Donald?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,686
    edited August 1
    NORTH DEVON DC, Barnstaple with Westacott

    LIB DEM HOLD

    🔶LD - Josh Rutty - 505
    ➡️ RefUK - 383
    🔵CON- 205
    🟢GRN- 154

    LD 40.50%
    Ref 30.71%
    Con 16.44%
    Grn 12.35%

    LD +0.46%
    Ref +30.71%
    Con -6.11%
    Grn -2.44%
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,686

    Andy_JS said:

    Dine and dash. More shoplifting that absolutely isn't happening:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjd24ky4818o

    Allowing people to consume expensive meals before they've paid for them is one of those great examples of civilisation in action.
    Which will come to end shortly by sound of things. You order, you pay, your food comes a few minutes or whatever later.

    Places like Wetherspoons have always operated like this of course.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,478
    nico67 said:

    Foxy said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Check your veins for sufficency of patriotism, lads.
    You 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants don't need to bother obviously.

    Ant Middleton
    @antmiddleton
    1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants SHOULD NOT hold top tier government positions! Our great nation, our culture and our great people are not naturally at the forefront of their hearts & minds! It’s just not in their nature or DNA! Patriotism can not be taught or bought and needs to run through the veins of those at the very top to ensure our country and our peoples needs and demands are not only understood but prioritised.
    Khan is a prime example of this and as witnessed over time his true alliances have come out and his innate nature and culture naturally surfaces and takes precedent! (Which we all know is very un-british).
    Our Capital City of our Christian country needs to be run by a native Brit with generational Christian values, principles and morals coursing through their veins from which our very society was built, thrived and was forged upon. 🫡🇬🇧
    Look what has happened since we stopped this practice! #asteadydecline
    Last edited
    5:52 pm · 31 Jul 2025

    https://x.com/antmiddleton/status/1950962852363215195

    For context - who is the post from? I don't have 'X' so can only see a brief bio that suggests 'nutter'.
    Ant, of the Saturday night Ant and Dec variety show duo.

    I can only presume that he has fried his brain on drink, drugs and Social Media. While it is possible to recover his marbles, it's hard to see him getting another TV job.

    No it’s not him . Look at the pic in the tweet . He used to do a programme on Channel 4 before being fired.
    Isn’t he also the Reform candidate for Mayor of London?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,676
    nico67 said:

    The UK government is now in the position of rolling the red carpet out for Trump as he continues to attack Canada . The King must be extremely worried . The optics of a state visit for the stain on humanity are appalling .

    Why would King Prince Charles give a fuck? It doesn't effect his position in the slightest and he'll be dead soon anyway.
  • Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    nico67 said:

    viewcode said:

    We are as a society unwilling to use the word "suicide"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27nl6l2r9o

    Terrible.

    Once again why I strongly believe we should legalise assisted dying and offer it to everyone who wants it, subject to a cooling off period. Not just the terminally ill.

    Nobody should ever be so miserable they think that stepping in front of a train is their only solution.

    Support, counselling etc should be offered to those who need it, but for anyone who wants to terminate their life, there should be a safe, humane way for them to peacefully do that at a time of their choosing, rather than jumping off a bridge or stepping in front of a train or cutting themselves or a number of other really terrible options.
    I’m pro assisted dying for those terminally ill . The vast majority of people suffering from severe depression and possible suicidal thoughts can be treated and that’s a totally different matter .
    Maybe they can be, but that should be their choice.

    I'm not suggesting cyanide should be available over the counter, but subject to safeguards such as a cooling down period, if someone really wants to end their life there should be a humane and legal option available to them.

    Not telling people that their only choice is to step in front of a train. Nobody should ever find themselves in that situation, and far too many people do.

    nico67 said:

    viewcode said:

    We are as a society unwilling to use the word "suicide"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27nl6l2r9o

    Terrible.

    Once again why I strongly believe we should legalise assisted dying and offer it to everyone who wants it, subject to a cooling off period. Not just the terminally ill.

    Nobody should ever be so miserable they think that stepping in front of a train is their only solution.

    Support, counselling etc should be offered to those who need it, but for anyone who wants to terminate their life, there should be a safe, humane way for them to peacefully do that at a time of their choosing, rather than jumping off a bridge or stepping in front of a train or cutting themselves or a number of other really terrible options.
    I’m pro assisted dying for those terminally ill . The vast majority of people suffering from severe depression and possible suicidal thoughts can be treated and that’s a totally different matter .
    Maybe they can be, but that should be their choice.

    I'm not suggesting cyanide should be available over the counter, but subject to safeguards such as a cooling down period, if someone really wants to end their life there should be a humane and legal option available to them.

    Not telling people that their only choice is to step in front of a train. Nobody should ever find themselves in that situation, and far too many people do.
    It is very difficult to kill yourself, as Dorothy Parker noted
    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44835/resume-56d2241505225

    The humane method you speak of would probably be a morphine overdose. Methods such as nitrogen or helium inhalation can go wrong. The usual methods - drowning, paracetamol overdose, bleach drinking, hanging, firearms, train - can be hideously painful and distressing for the suicide and those who clean up after or during. There are few cries so plaintive as those from a deliberate overdose who no longer wants to die but will inevitably do so due to organ damage and collapse. Life is sometimes very bad.
    Paracetamol overdose is particularly nasty. A couple of days later, once they have had time to regret it their liver packs up, and liver failure is a pretty unpleasant way to die.

    Suicides are often impulsive, which is why restricting access to fatal drugs, firearms etc works fairly well at prevention.
    Yet it is the leading cause of death for under 50s.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,686
    edited August 1
    Warrington, Bewsey & Whitecross

    RefUK gain from Lab

    Reform UK John Roddy 752 43.7 N/A
    Labour Maitane Akpan 631 36.6 −17.4
    Liberal Democrats David Crowther 223 13.0 −9.0
    Conservative Stephen Howard Taylor 116 6.7 −12.4
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,457
    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    nico67 said:

    viewcode said:

    We are as a society unwilling to use the word "suicide"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27nl6l2r9o

    Terrible.

    Once again why I strongly believe we should legalise assisted dying and offer it to everyone who wants it, subject to a cooling off period. Not just the terminally ill.

    Nobody should ever be so miserable they think that stepping in front of a train is their only solution.

    Support, counselling etc should be offered to those who need it, but for anyone who wants to terminate their life, there should be a safe, humane way for them to peacefully do that at a time of their choosing, rather than jumping off a bridge or stepping in front of a train or cutting themselves or a number of other really terrible options.
    I’m pro assisted dying for those terminally ill . The vast majority of people suffering from severe depression and possible suicidal thoughts can be treated and that’s a totally different matter .
    Maybe they can be, but that should be their choice.

    I'm not suggesting cyanide should be available over the counter, but subject to safeguards such as a cooling down period, if someone really wants to end their life there should be a humane and legal option available to them.

    Not telling people that their only choice is to step in front of a train. Nobody should ever find themselves in that situation, and far too many people do.

    nico67 said:

    viewcode said:

    We are as a society unwilling to use the word "suicide"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27nl6l2r9o

    Terrible.

    Once again why I strongly believe we should legalise assisted dying and offer it to everyone who wants it, subject to a cooling off period. Not just the terminally ill.

    Nobody should ever be so miserable they think that stepping in front of a train is their only solution.

    Support, counselling etc should be offered to those who need it, but for anyone who wants to terminate their life, there should be a safe, humane way for them to peacefully do that at a time of their choosing, rather than jumping off a bridge or stepping in front of a train or cutting themselves or a number of other really terrible options.
    I’m pro assisted dying for those terminally ill . The vast majority of people suffering from severe depression and possible suicidal thoughts can be treated and that’s a totally different matter .
    Maybe they can be, but that should be their choice.

    I'm not suggesting cyanide should be available over the counter, but subject to safeguards such as a cooling down period, if someone really wants to end their life there should be a humane and legal option available to them.

    Not telling people that their only choice is to step in front of a train. Nobody should ever find themselves in that situation, and far too many people do.
    It is very difficult to kill yourself, as Dorothy Parker noted
    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44835/resume-56d2241505225

    The humane method you speak of would probably be a morphine overdose. Methods such as nitrogen or helium inhalation can go wrong. The usual methods - drowning, paracetamol overdose, bleach drinking, hanging, firearms, train - can be hideously painful and distressing for the suicide and those who clean up after or during. There are few cries so plaintive as those from a deliberate overdose who no longer wants to die but will inevitably do so due to organ damage and collapse. Life is sometimes very bad.
    Paracetamol overdose is particularly nasty. A couple of days later, once they have had time to regret it their liver packs up, and liver failure is a pretty unpleasant way to die.

    Suicides are often impulsive, which is why restricting access to fatal drugs, firearms etc works fairly well at prevention.
    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    nico67 said:

    viewcode said:

    We are as a society unwilling to use the word "suicide"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27nl6l2r9o

    Terrible.

    Once again why I strongly believe we should legalise assisted dying and offer it to everyone who wants it, subject to a cooling off period. Not just the terminally ill.

    Nobody should ever be so miserable they think that stepping in front of a train is their only solution.

    Support, counselling etc should be offered to those who need it, but for anyone who wants to terminate their life, there should be a safe, humane way for them to peacefully do that at a time of their choosing, rather than jumping off a bridge or stepping in front of a train or cutting themselves or a number of other really terrible options.
    I’m pro assisted dying for those terminally ill . The vast majority of people suffering from severe depression and possible suicidal thoughts can be treated and that’s a totally different matter .
    Maybe they can be, but that should be their choice.

    I'm not suggesting cyanide should be available over the counter, but subject to safeguards such as a cooling down period, if someone really wants to end their life there should be a humane and legal option available to them.

    Not telling people that their only choice is to step in front of a train. Nobody should ever find themselves in that situation, and far too many people do.

    nico67 said:

    viewcode said:

    We are as a society unwilling to use the word "suicide"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27nl6l2r9o

    Terrible.

    Once again why I strongly believe we should legalise assisted dying and offer it to everyone who wants it, subject to a cooling off period. Not just the terminally ill.

    Nobody should ever be so miserable they think that stepping in front of a train is their only solution.

    Support, counselling etc should be offered to those who need it, but for anyone who wants to terminate their life, there should be a safe, humane way for them to peacefully do that at a time of their choosing, rather than jumping off a bridge or stepping in front of a train or cutting themselves or a number of other really terrible options.
    I’m pro assisted dying for those terminally ill . The vast majority of people suffering from severe depression and possible suicidal thoughts can be treated and that’s a totally different matter .
    Maybe they can be, but that should be their choice.

    I'm not suggesting cyanide should be available over the counter, but subject to safeguards such as a cooling down period, if someone really wants to end their life there should be a humane and legal option available to them.

    Not telling people that their only choice is to step in front of a train. Nobody should ever find themselves in that situation, and far too many people do.
    It is very difficult to kill yourself, as Dorothy Parker noted
    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44835/resume-56d2241505225

    The humane method you speak of would probably be a morphine overdose. Methods such as nitrogen or helium inhalation can go wrong. The usual methods - drowning, paracetamol overdose, bleach drinking, hanging, firearms, train - can be hideously painful and distressing for the suicide and those who clean up after or during. There are few cries so plaintive as those from a deliberate overdose who no longer wants to die but will inevitably do so due to organ damage and collapse. Life is sometimes very bad.
    Paracetamol overdose is particularly nasty. A couple of days later, once they have had time to regret it their liver packs up, and liver failure is a pretty unpleasant way to die.

    Suicides are often impulsive, which is why restricting access to fatal drugs, firearms etc works fairly well at prevention.
    Absolutely, a paracetamol overdose really is particulary nasty because far too many people seeking to use it as a cry for help see it as a harmless go to pain relief drug and don't understand the incredible serious and damaging side effects of taking an overdose of just about the most common over the counter pain relief medication. Again, this should be another regular Government health warning advertising campaign.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,040

    135 million quid.

    Thanks for reminding me to buy a ticket for tomorrow's EuroMillions.
    While you are buying your Euromillions ticket, online or in a shop, reflect on how you (and they) prove you are aged 18 or more.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,040

    nico67 said:

    Foxy said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Check your veins for sufficency of patriotism, lads.
    You 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants don't need to bother obviously.

    Ant Middleton
    @antmiddleton
    1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants SHOULD NOT hold top tier government positions! Our great nation, our culture and our great people are not naturally at the forefront of their hearts & minds! It’s just not in their nature or DNA! Patriotism can not be taught or bought and needs to run through the veins of those at the very top to ensure our country and our peoples needs and demands are not only understood but prioritised.
    Khan is a prime example of this and as witnessed over time his true alliances have come out and his innate nature and culture naturally surfaces and takes precedent! (Which we all know is very un-british).
    Our Capital City of our Christian country needs to be run by a native Brit with generational Christian values, principles and morals coursing through their veins from which our very society was built, thrived and was forged upon. 🫡🇬🇧
    Look what has happened since we stopped this practice! #asteadydecline
    Last edited
    5:52 pm · 31 Jul 2025

    https://x.com/antmiddleton/status/1950962852363215195

    For context - who is the post from? I don't have 'X' so can only see a brief bio that suggests 'nutter'.
    Ant, of the Saturday night Ant and Dec variety show duo.

    I can only presume that he has fried his brain on drink, drugs and Social Media. While it is possible to recover his marbles, it's hard to see him getting another TV job.

    No it’s not him . Look at the pic in the tweet . He used to do a programme on Channel 4 before being fired.
    Isn’t he also the Reform candidate for Mayor of London?
    His scheme would have blocked Boris, so let's not dismiss it out of hand.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,893
    Andy_JS said:

    Warrington, Bewsey & Whitecross

    RefUK gain from Lab

    Reform UK John Roddy 752 43.7 N/A
    Labour Maitane Akpan 631 36.6 −17.4
    Liberal Democrats David Crowther 223 13.0 −9.0
    Conservative Stephen Howard Taylor 116 6.7 −12.4

    Down to the wire
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,271
    edited August 1

    Check your veins for sufficency of patriotism, lads.
    You 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants don't need to bother obviously.

    Ant Middleton
    @antmiddleton
    1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants SHOULD NOT hold top tier government positions! Our great nation, our culture and our great people are not naturally at the forefront of their hearts & minds! It’s just not in their nature or DNA! Patriotism can not be taught or bought and needs to run through the veins of those at the very top to ensure our country and our peoples needs and demands are not only understood but prioritised.
    Khan is a prime example of this and as witnessed over time his true alliances have come out and his innate nature and culture naturally surfaces and takes precedent! (Which we all know is very un-british).
    Our Capital City of our Christian country needs to be run by a native Brit with generational Christian values, principles and morals coursing through their veins from which our very society was built, thrived and was forged upon. 🫡🇬🇧
    Look what has happened since we stopped this practice! #asteadydecline
    Last edited
    5:52 pm · 31 Jul 2025

    https://x.com/antmiddleton/status/1950962852363215195

    Compare this to the 'working class' being selected above others. It's well and truly the silly season.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,660
    Dura_Ace said:

    nico67 said:

    The UK government is now in the position of rolling the red carpet out for Trump as he continues to attack Canada . The King must be extremely worried . The optics of a state visit for the stain on humanity are appalling .

    Why would King Prince Charles give a fuck? It doesn't effect his position in the slightest and he'll be dead soon anyway.
    What a wrong headed and poisonous comment. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature can give you an answer, but the stupidity you so probably means you wouldn't understand anyway.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,040
    Kremlin goons caught abusing ISPs to spy on Moscow-based diplomats, Microsoft says

    Russia spying on foreign embassies? Say it ain't so

    https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/31/kremlin_goons_caught_abusing_isps/
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,105

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    I wouldn't to to a live game and the hideous graphics means it's unwatchable on tv.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,224
    I'd say that's Ant Middleton ruled out of becoming Reform's Mayoral candidate then - it's a very Tommy Robinson-esque post, almost like he wants to be booted from Reform and join whatever Robinson's vehicle is.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,748
    edited August 1
    "Civil service interns must be working class, government says"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ez3v9v8jqo

    "The main internship scheme designed to attract university students to the civil service will now only be available for students from "lower socio-economic backgrounds", judged by what jobs their parents did when they were 14."

    Does toolmaker count?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,786
    Good morning, everyone.

    An exciting new way in which the Online Safety Act is a steaming pile of shit:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj3l0e4vr0ko

    "Tech giants blocking some Ukraine and Gaza posts under new online rules"
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,565
    Looks rather wet in the Netherlands and Germany today
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,434
    carnforth said:

    "Civil service interns must be working class, government says"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ez3v9v8jqo

    "The main internship scheme designed to attract university students to the civil service will now only be available for students from "lower socio-economic backgrounds", judged by what jobs their parents did when they were 14."

    Does toolmaker count?

    Internships, often unpaid, have become a way of entrenching class privilege and reducing upwards social mobility. They are far easier to arrange by those families with social connections in the field.

    We do a similar organised programme for Sixth Formers applying to Medical School, restricted to state school students from deprived backgrounds.

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,748
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    "Civil service interns must be working class, government says"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ez3v9v8jqo

    "The main internship scheme designed to attract university students to the civil service will now only be available for students from "lower socio-economic backgrounds", judged by what jobs their parents did when they were 14."

    Does toolmaker count?

    Internships, often unpaid, have become a way of entrenching class privilege and reducing upwards social mobility. They are far easier to arrange by those families with social connections in the field.

    We do a similar organised programme for Sixth Formers applying to Medical School, restricted to state school students from deprived backgrounds.

    https://www.civil-service-careers.gov.uk/fast-stream/fs-summer-internship-programme/

    It pays £430 per week, and appears at least to have a proper application process.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,314
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    "Civil service interns must be working class, government says"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ez3v9v8jqo

    "The main internship scheme designed to attract university students to the civil service will now only be available for students from "lower socio-economic backgrounds", judged by what jobs their parents did when they were 14."

    Does toolmaker count?

    Internships, often unpaid, have become a way of entrenching class privilege and reducing upwards social mobility. They are far easier to arrange by those families with social connections in the field.

    We do a similar organised programme for Sixth Formers applying to Medical School, restricted to state school students from deprived backgrounds.

    In the same way that everyone agrees that people richer than them should pay more taxes and get fewer things from the state, everyone agrees that it's a disgrace that elites go round doing favours for each others children.

    Where elite = one notch above them in the social scale.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,118

    nico67 said:

    Foxy said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Check your veins for sufficency of patriotism, lads.
    You 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants don't need to bother obviously.

    Ant Middleton
    @antmiddleton
    1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants SHOULD NOT hold top tier government positions! Our great nation, our culture and our great people are not naturally at the forefront of their hearts & minds! It’s just not in their nature or DNA! Patriotism can not be taught or bought and needs to run through the veins of those at the very top to ensure our country and our peoples needs and demands are not only understood but prioritised.
    Khan is a prime example of this and as witnessed over time his true alliances have come out and his innate nature and culture naturally surfaces and takes precedent! (Which we all know is very un-british).
    Our Capital City of our Christian country needs to be run by a native Brit with generational Christian values, principles and morals coursing through their veins from which our very society was built, thrived and was forged upon. 🫡🇬🇧
    Look what has happened since we stopped this practice! #asteadydecline
    Last edited
    5:52 pm · 31 Jul 2025

    https://x.com/antmiddleton/status/1950962852363215195

    For context - who is the post from? I don't have 'X' so can only see a brief bio that suggests 'nutter'.
    Ant, of the Saturday night Ant and Dec variety show duo.

    I can only presume that he has fried his brain on drink, drugs and Social Media. While it is possible to recover his marbles, it's hard to see him getting another TV job.

    No it’s not him . Look at the pic in the tweet . He used to do a programme on Channel 4 before being fired.
    Isn’t he also the Reform candidate for Mayor of London?
    It's Middleton, or seems to be on X, who came to fame as the ex-SAS officer who did a game show on Ch4 where they recreated some of the tests for being in SAS and put ordinary peeps through them.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,434
    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    "Civil service interns must be working class, government says"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ez3v9v8jqo

    "The main internship scheme designed to attract university students to the civil service will now only be available for students from "lower socio-economic backgrounds", judged by what jobs their parents did when they were 14."

    Does toolmaker count?

    Internships, often unpaid, have become a way of entrenching class privilege and reducing upwards social mobility. They are far easier to arrange by those families with social connections in the field.

    We do a similar organised programme for Sixth Formers applying to Medical School, restricted to state school students from deprived backgrounds.

    https://www.civil-service-careers.gov.uk/fast-stream/fs-summer-internship-programme/

    It pays £430 per week, and appears at least to have a proper application process.
    Yes, Internships should be paid. Only the wealthy can afford to work for months for free in order to get a foot on the career ladder. Unpaid internships are intrinsically discriminatory.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,350
    Battlebus said:

    Check your veins for sufficency of patriotism, lads.
    You 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants don't need to bother obviously.

    Ant Middleton
    @antmiddleton
    1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants SHOULD NOT hold top tier government positions! Our great nation, our culture and our great people are not naturally at the forefront of their hearts & minds! It’s just not in their nature or DNA! Patriotism can not be taught or bought and needs to run through the veins of those at the very top to ensure our country and our peoples needs and demands are not only understood but prioritised.
    Khan is a prime example of this and as witnessed over time his true alliances have come out and his innate nature and culture naturally surfaces and takes precedent! (Which we all know is very un-british).
    Our Capital City of our Christian country needs to be run by a native Brit with generational Christian values, principles and morals coursing through their veins from which our very society was built, thrived and was forged upon. 🫡🇬🇧
    Look what has happened since we stopped this practice! #asteadydecline
    Last edited
    5:52 pm · 31 Jul 2025

    https://x.com/antmiddleton/status/1950962852363215195

    Compare this to the 'working class' being selected above others. It's well and truly the silly season.
    Comparison... Exhibit (a) is outright racism
    Exhibit (b) is quite normal practice, work experience for under-represented groups to encourage them to consider that career.
    Another example, some counties run state school only cricket coaching programmes
  • eekeek Posts: 30,832

    I'd say that's Ant Middleton ruled out of becoming Reform's Mayoral candidate then - it's a very Tommy Robinson-esque post, almost like he wants to be booted from Reform and join whatever Robinson's vehicle is.

    It's a very weird thing to say - given that I suspect 40%+ of Londoners would be ruled out by his rules...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,066

    NEW THREAD

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,606
    eek said:

    I'd say that's Ant Middleton ruled out of becoming Reform's Mayoral candidate then - it's a very Tommy Robinson-esque post, almost like he wants to be booted from Reform and join whatever Robinson's vehicle is.

    It's a very weird thing to say - given that I suspect 40%+ of Londoners would be ruled out by his rules...
    However your comment does support why people are not very happy with the constant flow into England, far too many far too quickly without any thought to services , infrastructure etc. Add the largesse on benefits to all people and you see why England is in the shit. At some point they will not be able to borrow more to give away on benefits to an ever growing part of the population. Trouble at some point when the largesse hits the buffers and millions find that everything is not free and you actually should have to work for it and support yourself.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,224
    eek said:

    I'd say that's Ant Middleton ruled out of becoming Reform's Mayoral candidate then - it's a very Tommy Robinson-esque post, almost like he wants to be booted from Reform and join whatever Robinson's vehicle is.

    It's a very weird thing to say - given that I suspect 40%+ of Londoners would be ruled out by his rules...
    As well as many within Reform. Ant Middleton doesn't seem wholly unintelligent so he must know this. Which makes me think he just wants out for whatever reason.

    That leaves Reform at square 1 and the Tories with a bit of opportunity. I think the Tories will field Cleverly and that his Shadow Cabinet role has been arranged to give him a bit of profile. He's quite vulnerable to Reform, but not if they can't field a candidate.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,765
    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    It's official
    @ONS
    baby name day!
    Here are the names that are dying out
    – A mere 9 boys called Norman last year
    – Rodney = 8
    – Nigel = 5
    – Giles = 3
    And not a single Piers was registered! (If it's 2 or fewer, it's not released for data reasons, so it's possible 2 were)

    In contrast there were 161 boys called Zorawar
    Zakariyya = 63
    Theo-James = 22
    Paris = 14
    London = 7
    Lucifer = 7


    https://x.com/hwallop/status/1950948388754661606

    What about Boris, Rishi and Keir / Kier....
    Are we finally past Beckham weirdness?

    They are lucky they did not end up with Neasdon Beckham and Penge Beckham.
    The Beckhams named their kid Brooklyn because that is where he was conceived.
    I have always wondered about people named Otis.
    Better Otis than John or Lou.
    Was not the most famous Otis (ie Miss Otis) hanged?
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,019
    malcolmg said:

    eek said:

    I'd say that's Ant Middleton ruled out of becoming Reform's Mayoral candidate then - it's a very Tommy Robinson-esque post, almost like he wants to be booted from Reform and join whatever Robinson's vehicle is.

    It's a very weird thing to say - given that I suspect 40%+ of Londoners would be ruled out by his rules...
    However your comment does support why people are not very happy with the constant flow into England, far too many far too quickly without any thought to services , infrastructure etc. Add the largesse on benefits to all people and you see why England is in the shit. At some point they will not be able to borrow more to give away on benefits to an ever growing part of the population. Trouble at some point when the largesse hits the buffers and millions find that everything is not free and you actually should have to work for it and support yourself.
    You’re not wrong and I think that time is coming sooner rather than later.

    The Boriswave imported lots of low skilled workers, with numerous economically inactive dependents, who will never pay their way and be a net burden. Kate Lam is right. They should not get ILR.

    Meanwhile a deported knife offender, who re entered the country illegally and was deported a second time is now welcome to come back a he’s ’matured’. 😂

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/30/deported-knifeman-can-return-to-britain-because-he-matured/
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,711
    MattW said:

    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    It's official
    @ONS
    baby name day!
    Here are the names that are dying out
    – A mere 9 boys called Norman last year
    – Rodney = 8
    – Nigel = 5
    – Giles = 3
    And not a single Piers was registered! (If it's 2 or fewer, it's not released for data reasons, so it's possible 2 were)

    In contrast there were 161 boys called Zorawar
    Zakariyya = 63
    Theo-James = 22
    Paris = 14
    London = 7
    Lucifer = 7


    https://x.com/hwallop/status/1950948388754661606

    What about Boris, Rishi and Keir / Kier....
    Are we finally past Beckham weirdness?

    They are lucky they did not end up with Neasdon Beckham and Penge Beckham.
    The Beckhams named their kid Brooklyn because that is where he was conceived.
    I have always wondered about people named Otis.
    Better Otis than John or Lou.
    Was not the most famous Otis (ie Miss Otis) hanged?
    I remember a cover of Miss Otis regrets by Kirsty MacColl on the Red Hot and Blue album which was put together to raise money for AIDS charities. There were some really interesting covers of Cole Porter songs done for it and remember hearing U2 cover Night and Day in a very electronic move away from their previous sound which was an early signal for how Achtung Baby was going to sound a year later.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,765
    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    It's official
    @ONS
    baby name day!
    Here are the names that are dying out
    – A mere 9 boys called Norman last year
    – Rodney = 8
    – Nigel = 5
    – Giles = 3
    And not a single Piers was registered! (If it's 2 or fewer, it's not released for data reasons, so it's possible 2 were)

    In contrast there were 161 boys called Zorawar
    Zakariyya = 63
    Theo-James = 22
    Paris = 14
    London = 7
    Lucifer = 7


    https://x.com/hwallop/status/1950948388754661606

    What about Boris, Rishi and Keir / Kier....
    Are we finally past Beckham weirdness?

    They are lucky they did not end up with Neasdon Beckham and Penge Beckham.
    The Beckhams named their kid Brooklyn because that is where he was conceived.
    I have always wondered about people named Otis.
    Better Otis than John or Lou.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14267175/We-called-baby-boy-Lucifer-no-regrets-people-upset-middle-name.html
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,145
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    "Civil service interns must be working class, government says"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ez3v9v8jqo

    "The main internship scheme designed to attract university students to the civil service will now only be available for students from "lower socio-economic backgrounds", judged by what jobs their parents did when they were 14."

    Does toolmaker count?

    Internships, often unpaid, have become a way of entrenching class privilege and reducing upwards social mobility. They are far easier to arrange by those families with social connections in the field.

    We do a similar organised programme for Sixth Formers applying to Medical School, restricted to state school students from deprived backgrounds.

    When I was in hospital recently, a work experience lad accompanied the surgeon on his rounds one day.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,404
    carnforth said:

    "Civil service interns must be working class, government says"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ez3v9v8jqo

    "The main internship scheme designed to attract university students to the civil service will now only be available for students from "lower socio-economic backgrounds", judged by what jobs their parents did when they were 14."

    Does toolmaker count?

    That's not good. I used to be a civil servant and from a "lower socioeconomic background" and even I balk at this. It can't be legal surely?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,765
    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    It's official
    @ONS
    baby name day!
    Here are the names that are dying out
    – A mere 9 boys called Norman last year
    – Rodney = 8
    – Nigel = 5
    – Giles = 3
    And not a single Piers was registered! (If it's 2 or fewer, it's not released for data reasons, so it's possible 2 were)

    In contrast there were 161 boys called Zorawar
    Zakariyya = 63
    Theo-James = 22
    Paris = 14
    London = 7
    Lucifer = 7


    https://x.com/hwallop/status/1950948388754661606

    What about Boris, Rishi and Keir / Kier....
    Are we finally past Beckham weirdness?

    They are lucky they did not end up with Neasdon Beckham and Penge Beckham.
    The Beckhams named their kid Brooklyn because that is where he was conceived.
    I have always wondered about people named Otis.
    Better Otis than John or Lou.
    Was not the most famous Otis (ie Miss Otis) hanged?
    I remember a cover of Miss Otis regrets by Kirsty MacColl on the Red Hot and Blue album which was put together to raise money for AIDS charities. There were some really interesting covers of Cole Porter songs done for it and remember hearing U2 cover Night and Day in a very electronic move away from their previous sound which was an early signal for how Achtung Baby was going to sound a year later.
    On Jools ...

    I'm not sure why there are so many pipers and drummers. Preparing for Auld Lang Syne?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4sZUfQ97po
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,765
    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    eek said:

    I'd say that's Ant Middleton ruled out of becoming Reform's Mayoral candidate then - it's a very Tommy Robinson-esque post, almost like he wants to be booted from Reform and join whatever Robinson's vehicle is.

    It's a very weird thing to say - given that I suspect 40%+ of Londoners would be ruled out by his rules...
    However your comment does support why people are not very happy with the constant flow into England, far too many far too quickly without any thought to services , infrastructure etc. Add the largesse on benefits to all people and you see why England is in the shit. At some point they will not be able to borrow more to give away on benefits to an ever growing part of the population. Trouble at some point when the largesse hits the buffers and millions find that everything is not free and you actually should have to work for it and support yourself.
    You’re not wrong and I think that time is coming sooner rather than later.

    The Boriswave imported lots of low skilled workers, with numerous economically inactive dependents, who will never pay their way and be a net burden. Kate Lam is right. They should not get ILR.

    Meanwhile a deported knife offender, who re entered the country illegally and was deported a second time is now welcome to come back a he’s ’matured’. 😂

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/30/deported-knifeman-can-return-to-britain-because-he-matured/
    Interesting one, with bits left out of the snippet by the Telegraph - presumably as per habit to make it black and white, not grey.

    There's some normal Telegraph style misleading reporting there, too. T reports the Judge saying the case was not that “extreme”. That portrays "extreme" as a normal descriptor of the offence. "Extreme" actually refers to a legally defined test the case would have to meet for her to be able legally to allow the Home Office's Appeal against the lower court ruling that the exclusion would stand; it did not meet the test in her assessment, so she could not rule that way.
    Case report: https://tribunalsdecisions.service.gov.uk/utiac/ui-2024-005195

    Context: offences committed when he was 18. Deported. Came back illegally. Short prison sentence - no one is saying how long, then redeported. He tried a few years ago, and the verdict was the other way.

    He is now 30, married, and seems from reporting to have a career.

    How do you call it? I'm not sure where the correct line, or risk of reoffending, lies.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,765
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    eek said:

    I'd say that's Ant Middleton ruled out of becoming Reform's Mayoral candidate then - it's a very Tommy Robinson-esque post, almost like he wants to be booted from Reform and join whatever Robinson's vehicle is.

    It's a very weird thing to say - given that I suspect 40%+ of Londoners would be ruled out by his rules...
    However your comment does support why people are not very happy with the constant flow into England, far too many far too quickly without any thought to services , infrastructure etc. Add the largesse on benefits to all people and you see why England is in the shit. At some point they will not be able to borrow more to give away on benefits to an ever growing part of the population. Trouble at some point when the largesse hits the buffers and millions find that everything is not free and you actually should have to work for it and support yourself.
    You’re not wrong and I think that time is coming sooner rather than later.

    The Boriswave imported lots of low skilled workers, with numerous economically inactive dependents, who will never pay their way and be a net burden. Kate Lam is right. They should not get ILR.

    Meanwhile a deported knife offender, who re entered the country illegally and was deported a second time is now welcome to come back a he’s ’matured’. 😂

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/30/deported-knifeman-can-return-to-britain-because-he-matured/
    Interesting one, with bits left out of the snippet by the Telegraph - presumably as per habit to make it black and white, not grey.

    There's some normal Telegraph style misleading reporting there, too. T reports the Judge saying the case was not that “extreme”. That portrays "extreme" as a normal descriptor of the offence. "Extreme" actually refers to a legally defined test the case would have to meet for her to be able legally to allow the Home Office's Appeal against the lower court ruling that the exclusion would stand; it did not meet the test in her assessment, so she could not rule that way.
    Case report: https://tribunalsdecisions.service.gov.uk/utiac/ui-2024-005195

    Context: offences committed when he was 18. Deported. Came back illegally. Short prison sentence - no one is saying how long, then redeported. He tried a few years ago, and the verdict was the other way.

    He is now 30, married, and seems from reporting to have a career.

    How do you call it? I'm not sure where the correct line, or risk of reoffending, lies.
    Correction: This statement by me is incorrect. The case 5.5 years ago is a part of the current process !
    "He tried a few years ago, and the verdict was the other way."
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