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edited July 13 in General
How many Reform MPs on the 31st of December 2025? – politicalbetting.com

When setting the PB 2025 prediction competition one of the questions we thought would be interesting was the number of MPs with the Reform whip on the 31st of December 2025 because Nigel Farage has a long history of falling out with those he works with.

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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    edited July 8
    One?

    I mean first, of course. Nigel can fall out with anybody and everybody.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,161
    I'd say 4, but a more interesting question is what the turnover shows.

    How many in, and how many out?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    Flatlander said:

    I'd say 4, but a more interesting question is what the turnover shows.

    How many in, and how many out?

    So far it is two out and one in.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,354
    edited July 8
    What is McMurdock's Twitter statement meant to mean? Presumably advice he won't reveal and not restoring himself the whip implies he's deep in dogshit? If the advice was "you're innocent", he'd've released it. If he's done nothing to discredit the party, he'd've restored the whip.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    bondegezou said:

    What is McMurdock's Twitter statement meant to mean? Presumably advice he won't reveal and not restoring himself the whip implies he's deep in dogshit? If the advice was "you're innocent", he'd've released it. If he's done nothing to discredit the party, he'd have done that.

    It’s a bit The Inbetweeners.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,833
    edited July 8
    bondegezou said:

    What is McMurdock's Twitter statement meant to mean? Presumably advice he won't reveal and not restoring himself the whip implies he's deep in dogshit? If the advice was "you're innocent", he'd've released it. If he's done nothing to discredit the party, he'd've restored the whip.

    Indeed.

    The tweet basically reads as "the lawyer said I'm guilty as sin."

    Of course, reality may be different ..
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    bondegezou said:

    What is McMurdock's Twitter statement meant to mean? Presumably advice he won't reveal and not restoring himself the whip implies he's deep in dogshit? If the advice was "you're innocent", he'd've released it. If he's done nothing to discredit the party, he'd've restored the whip.

    It was a reference to Lear.
    "I will do such things—What they are yet I know not, but they shall be the terrors of the earth!"
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,063
    Nigel and Dubai Tice will spiv on at the heart of Reform. Pochin will quickly regret standing for them and Anderson will probably be a Lib Dem after a whistle stop tour of the Greens and Advance UK. They might have a couple more if the by elections in the wings come off.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    edited July 8
    SODS - sudden officials death syndrome.

    The 37-year-old Russian-appointed deputy head of the city of Yevpatoriya (Crimea), Mikhail Ivanovich Kolganov, died unexpectedly. The causes and circumstances of death are not specified.
    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1942576548915339507

    (Not to be confused with SODS - sudden oligarch death syndrome.)
  • eekeek Posts: 30,802
    FPT
    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    DavidL said:

    carnforth said:

    Here's the OBR report in full:

    https://obr.uk/frs/fiscal-risks-and-sustainability-july-2025/

    Or, in PDF form:

    https://obr.uk/docs/dlm_uploads/Fiscal-risks-and-sustainability-report-July-2025.pdf

    From the Executive Summary:

    "Underlying public debt is now at its highest level since the early 1960s and is projected to rise further over the medium term. Arresting this increase has become considerably more challenging as economic growth has slowed and interest rates risen. Despite the tax-to-GDP ratio rising to the highest level in the period since 1950, borrowing is still 3 per cent of GDP above the level that would be needed to durably stabilise debt. And the Government has left itself very small margins against its objectives of restoring the current budget to balance and getting net financial liabilities to fall by the end of the decade. Despite this, public expectations of what government can and should do in response to emerging threats and future emergencies seem to be rising."

    GDP is roughly £2.7trn so 1% is roughly £27bn and 3% £81bn.

    So, our Chancellor claimed we had a £22bn black hole. That was a lie. It was much, much worse than that. She told us that her last budget reset the economy on a sustainable path for the Parliament. Another lie. She told us she would not need to increase taxes again. Another lie. She blew the £22bn raised by NI on wage increases for the public sector meaning that there was no improvement in the underlying situation (since those wage increases will continue to use the additional tax going forward).

    How much longer are our political classes going to keep pretending?

    Lies, lies and more lies judged against forecasts from an unreliable pin-sticker whose report has only just been published. If you must use this emotive language, at least use a baseline that was available at the time.
    This has not come out of the blue. It has been blindingly obvious to anyone willing to look since 2019. The last government was every bit as dishonest about this as the new one had been. Covid, and our absurd over reaction to it, cost us as much as a major war. The ridiculously over generous response to the energy crisis added much to the depth of the hole we were in.

    There is plenty of blame to go around here and the last government has a large share. Reeves, however, had a chance to reset us on a more realistic path and completely ducked it. And she must have known. Even now she will continue to pretend. Its what our political class do.
    The first interesting question is When are they going to be straight with their own MPs and the voters?

    The second interesting question is When is the alternatrive government in waiting, Reform, going to give us a budget and fiscal plan for the next 10 years, and what will the IFS have to say about it?

    IMHO Labour's best chance of staying in power (supposing by then they even want to) is honesty with us. Crisis stuff. Address the nation. All pledges from the past null and void. Blame the Tories. These are the figures. This is the plan....
    Hard to do so when you recently spent billions returning the winter fuel allowance and failing to cut disability benefits (although I don’t think they were an appropriate thing to cut).

    Which means it can’t be Starmer and Reeves who have the heart to heart with the nation - they will need to be removed first
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,161
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Flatlander said:

    I'd say 4, but a more interesting question is what the turnover shows.

    How many in, and how many out?

    So far it is two out and one in.
    Maybe two further ins and two more "unexpected" flounces?


    In Doncaster we currently stand at 2 out and zero in (original count of 37).
  • isamisam Posts: 42,271
    edited July 8
    I’d say Farage is ok with losing Lowe and McMurdock as he seems to be banking on positioning Reform to the right of the main parties without veering into racism. (The word ‘racism’ was capitalised by my phone originally, I wonder if that will be the name of the next offshoot! They often begin with an R)

    McMurdock seems like an oik, Lowe is too focussed on issues that Reform think they will win votes on without having to say anything that will put off some centrists.

    All that said, I think they will fall way short, and their best hope is a pact with the Tories. At election time the other parties will point at Reform’s lack of experience in parliament. How can you go from the amount of MP’s you can count on one hand to government? Too far fetched

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,354
    GB News is not Fox News. Which is a shorter way of saying that I have faith in the British media landscape that they won't let Reform UK get away with shit the way that the right-leaning media do with Trump/GOP in the US. GB News might, but they are fringe.

    Come the next general election, Farage will actually be put on the spot about his inability to keep a party together and, more importantly, about the fantasy of Reform UK's spending plans. What do voters do then?
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Flatlander said:

    I'd say 4, but a more interesting question is what the turnover shows.

    How many in, and how many out?

    So far it is two out and one in.
    And these fuckers want to run the country. There’s a quote about running a bath that comes to mind.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,712
    rcs1000 said:

    bondegezou said:

    What is McMurdock's Twitter statement meant to mean? Presumably advice he won't reveal and not restoring himself the whip implies he's deep in dogshit? If the advice was "you're innocent", he'd've released it. If he's done nothing to discredit the party, he'd've restored the whip.

    Indeed.

    The tweet basically reads as "the lawyer said I'm guilty as sin."

    Of course, reality may be different ..
    There's a lot that we don't know that could be happening behind the scenes.

    Perhaps Farage is worried about the optics and told him to repay the loan regardless, and if the legal advice is, "don't worry mate, it might look well dodge, but they can't get you for it," then the unspoken bit might be that he doesn't want to get into a public fight with Farage about repaying the cash.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    LostPassword said:

    rcs1000 said:

    bondegezou said:

    What is McMurdock's Twitter statement meant to mean? Presumably advice he won't reveal and not restoring himself the whip implies he's deep in dogshit? If the advice was "you're innocent", he'd've released it. If he's done nothing to discredit the party, he'd've restored the whip.

    Indeed.

    The tweet basically reads as "the lawyer said I'm guilty as sin."

    Of course, reality may be different ..
    There's a lot that we don't know that could be happening behind the scenes.

    Perhaps Farage is worried about the optics and told him to repay the loan regardless, and if the legal advice is, "don't worry mate, it might look well dodge, but they can't get you for it," then the unspoken bit might be that he doesn't want to get into a public fight with Farage about repaying the cash.
    I think that works in the context of Reform’s DOGE.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,063
    edited July 8
    bondegezou said:

    What is McMurdock's Twitter statement meant to mean? Presumably advice he won't reveal and not restoring himself the whip implies he's deep in dogshit? If the advice was "you're innocent", he'd've released it. If he's done nothing to discredit the party, he'd've restored the whip.

    Why quit the party? They'll expel him if hes guilty of egregious wrongdoing after any investigation.
    If he were concerned about the party, his decision would have come with warm words for their future prospects.
    He praised Rupert Lowe. Now hes ex Reform. Im joining the dots and its a picture of Nigel and Yusuf with a big knife

    I think this is all separate to whether he's guilty of anything
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    As I predicted at the time of the recent airstrikes; Iran is starting to move to Chinese kit.

    Iran has reportedly received Chinese-made HQ-9B long-range air defense systems.
    https://x.com/PolymarketIntel/status/1942570211355333021
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,080
    edited July 8
    bondegezou said:

    What is McMurdock's Twitter statement meant to mean? Presumably advice he won't reveal and not restoring himself the whip implies he's deep in dogshit? If the advice was "you're innocent", he'd've released it. If he's done nothing to discredit the party, he'd've restored the whip.

    But how absolutely stupid to announce that he is leaving the party "in the light of" legal advice.

    Why not just say he's talked it over with friends and family and after careful consideration .... ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    rcs1000 said:

    bondegezou said:

    What is McMurdock's Twitter statement meant to mean? Presumably advice he won't reveal and not restoring himself the whip implies he's deep in dogshit? If the advice was "you're innocent", he'd've released it. If he's done nothing to discredit the party, he'd've restored the whip.

    Indeed.

    The tweet basically reads as "the lawyer said I'm guilty as sin."

    Of course, reality may be different ..
    Taken at face value, it means "I've taken legal advice, but I'm not saying about what, or how I was advised".
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,065
    bondegezou said:

    What is McMurdock's Twitter statement meant to mean? Presumably advice he won't reveal and not restoring himself the whip implies he's deep in dogshit? If the advice was "you're innocent", he'd've released it. If he's done nothing to discredit the party, he'd've restored the whip.

    Reposting fpt:
    The tweet can be fisked in various ways, but the most obvious (I have no idea) is that 'circumstances render it unlikely that a Reform party which plans to form a government would take me back because they would have more sense and I am plainly a pompous idiot, so I won't try my luck, but there is nothing which, with a fair wind behind me, will prevent me drawing my meagre stipend as an MP for the next four years, at least my solicitor/barrister has thus indicated'.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    Taz said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Flatlander said:

    I'd say 4, but a more interesting question is what the turnover shows.

    How many in, and how many out?

    So far it is two out and one in.
    And these fuckers want to run the country. There’s a quote about running a bath that comes to mind.
    As we say in Yorkshire, this lot couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council estate.

    I still the Farage fans still cannot process that one day Rupert Lowe criticises Nigel Farage and the next day he is suspended on what turns out to be spurious grounds.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Taz said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Flatlander said:

    I'd say 4, but a more interesting question is what the turnover shows.

    How many in, and how many out?

    So far it is two out and one in.
    And these fuckers want to run the country. There’s a quote about running a bath that comes to mind.
    As we say in Yorkshire, this lot couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council estate.

    I still the Farage fans still cannot process that one day Rupert Lowe criticises Nigel Farage and the next day he is suspended on what turns out to be spurious grounds.
    As I’ve said before. If one person falls out with you, it may be them. If dozens of people fall out with you….
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,063
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Taz said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Flatlander said:

    I'd say 4, but a more interesting question is what the turnover shows.

    How many in, and how many out?

    So far it is two out and one in.
    And these fuckers want to run the country. There’s a quote about running a bath that comes to mind.
    As we say in Yorkshire, this lot couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council estate.

    I still the Farage fans still cannot process that one day Rupert Lowe criticises Nigel Farage and the next day he is suspended on what turns out to be spurious grounds.
    Nor that James McMurdock praises Rupert Lowe and suddenly is leaving the party to sit as an Indy after allegations which have been around for a year suddenly reappeared in the press from 'somewhere'
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    As we say in Yorkshire, this lot couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council estate.

    Unfortunate saying.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,354
    This woman works for Sarah Pochin:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2llkjy732o

    Reform UK councillor Amanda Clare has been charged with assault and criminal damage after an incident at a Pride event.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,063
    bondegezou said:

    This woman works for Sarah Pochin:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2llkjy732o

    Reform UK councillor Amanda Clare has been charged with assault and criminal damage after an incident at a Pride event.

    We are in safe hands with the Spiv and his boot boys and girls
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,358
    Another Polymarket whale. This time on Mamdani

    https://news.polymarket.com/p/he-made-300k-betting-on-a-narcissistic
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    DavidL said:

    One?

    I mean first, of course. Nigel can fall out with anybody and everybody.

    And I thought I was one of nature's diplomats.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,482
    Taz said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Taz said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Flatlander said:

    I'd say 4, but a more interesting question is what the turnover shows.

    How many in, and how many out?

    So far it is two out and one in.
    And these fuckers want to run the country. There’s a quote about running a bath that comes to mind.
    As we say in Yorkshire, this lot couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council estate.

    I still the Farage fans still cannot process that one day Rupert Lowe criticises Nigel Farage and the next day he is suspended on what turns out to be spurious grounds.
    As I’ve said before. If one person falls out with you, it may be them. If dozens of people fall out with you….
    If you meet an arsehole in the morning, you met an arsehole.

    If you meet arseholes all day ...
  • novanova Posts: 884
    So far Nigel Farage has lost 40% of the MPs elected at the last general election
    He's not going to fall out with himself, so I think any good Lib Dem leaflet would have that at Farage losing 50%.

  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,218
    It might be worth Nigel just quitting Reform and starting a new vehicle. That way he can hand pick the capable members to join him while leaving behind the rotters to tear themselves apart. Reform has succeeded in wrecking the Tory party and has made the concept of voting for populists not as ridiculous as it once seemed, so it's done its job. Nigel doesn't need to keep it if it's going to hinder him.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,228
    To be fair McMurdock didn't actually fall out with Farage. It's more a case of him over-achieving in Farage style business practices.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,007
    viewcode said:

    Another Polymarket whale. This time on Mamdani

    https://news.polymarket.com/p/he-made-300k-betting-on-a-narcissistic

    From your link:-

    My biggest conviction bet that isn't on Polymarket yet is that Somalia's government has a good chance of falling to al-Shabaab, say 50-50. It'll be Trump's biggest foreign policy disaster, tied to the AMISOM withdrawal. The government only controls Mogadishu now. Puntland has declared independence, Somaliland's gone. Al-Shabaab controls rural Somalia and has 80% support there now versus 20% a decade ago. What I’m seeing is basically a repeat of the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan in the mid 90s.
    https://news.polymarket.com/p/he-made-300k-betting-on-a-narcissistic
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,274
    Stark_Dawning said:

    It might be worth Nigel just quitting Reform and starting a new vehicle. That way he can hand pick the capable members to join him while leaving behind the rotters to tear themselves apart. Reform has succeeded in wrecking the Tory party and has made the concept of voting for populists not as ridiculous as it once seemed, so it's done its job. Nigel doesn't need to keep it if it's going to hinder him.

    I simly do not see Farage in government, and fully expect the 'wheels to fall off' in the next couple of years

    However, I do not know who will benefit with labour in such a bad place at present and a debt crisis beckoning

    I would suggest to expect the unexpected
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 415
    bondegezou said:

    GB News is not Fox News. Which is a shorter way of saying that I have faith in the British media landscape that they won't let Reform UK get away with shit the way that the right-leaning media do with Trump/GOP in the US. GB News might, but they are fringe.

    Come the next general election, Farage will actually be put on the spot about his inability to keep a party together and, more importantly, about the fantasy of Reform UK's spending plans. What do voters do then?

    Wow! I admire your sang-froid. Remember the old adage..

    "One cannot hope to bribe or twist
    Thank God! The British Journalist.
    But seeing what the breed will do
    Unbribed, there's no occasion to."

    Remember who is paying for GB News, and their disdain for anything approaching broadcasting regulations - specifically those relating to impartiality.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,592
    AugustusCarp2 said:

    bondegezou said:

    GB News is not Fox News. Which is a shorter way of saying that I have faith in the British media landscape that they won't let Reform UK get away with shit the way that the right-leaning media do with Trump/GOP in the US. GB News might, but they are fringe.

    Come the next general election, Farage will actually be put on the spot about his inability to keep a party together and, more importantly, about the fantasy of Reform UK's spending plans. What do voters do then?

    Wow! I admire your sang-froid. Remember the old adage..

    "One cannot hope to bribe or twist
    Thank God! The British Journalist.
    But seeing what the breed will do
    Unbribed, there's no occasion to."

    Remember who is paying for GB News, and their disdain for anything approaching broadcasting regulations - specifically those relating to impartiality.
    Sky News is just as biased to the left as GB News is to the right.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,065
    isam said:

    I’d say Farage is ok with losing Lowe and McMurdock as he seems to be banking on positioning Reform to the right of the main parties without veering into racism. (The word ‘racism’ was capitalised by my phone originally, I wonder if that will be the name of the next offshoot! They often begin with an R)

    McMurdock seems like an oik, Lowe is too focussed on issues that Reform think they will win votes on without having to say anything that will put off some centrists.

    All that said, I think they will fall way short, and their best hope is a pact with the Tories. At election time the other parties will point at Reform’s lack of experience in parliament. How can you go from the amount of MP’s you can count on one hand to government? Too far fetched

    As the chance of governing approaches Farage's options become constrained.

    He has to avoid overt racism, repatriation and anything that suggests he could to bring about ethnic and cultural conflict of any sort. So the proper 'right' is closed off. At the same time he has to close borders to all the people who do jobs for us and keep HE funded.

    He has to give the voters of Clacton and 324 other seats what they want, which state managed social democracy, which is the bit that costs almost the entire state budget (NHS, welfare, pensions, education, housing, NATO).

    And he has to find a fiscal plan which makes a degree of sense - at least enough that you and the IFS don't just laugh.

    And he has to find a plausible front bench.

    The constraints are so severe (they apply in a similar way to all other parties) that at some point it will become obvious to most voters.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,274
    How long will this last ?

    Pay negotiations will not be reopened with resident doctors because the Government "can't be more generous" than it already has been, Downing Street has said.

    Medics in England have voted in favour of striking over a wage dispute, the British Medical Association union confirmed on Tuesday. The industrial action by resident doctors - formerly known as junior doctors - could see walks outs last until January next year.

    In response to the announcement, the Prime Minister’s spokesman said: "The NHS is finally moving in the right direction for the first time in 15 years so it's disappointing that the BMA is threatening to undermine that progress with strikes.

    "We aren't going to reopen negotiations on pay. Resident doctors have received the highest pay award across the public sector for two years in a row, and we've been clear that we can't be more generous than we already have this year."

    The Health Secretary has invited BMA representatives to discuss issues around working conditions and is committed to "working together" to find solutions, he added.

    The medics were awarded a 5.4% pay rise for this financial year, following a 22% increase over the previous two years.

    But the BMA says wages are still around 20% lower in real terms than in 2008 and are demanding "pay restoration".

    In a ballot over whether to strike some 90% of resident doctors voted in favour on a turnout of 55%, just above the legal threshold of 50% required for industrial action.

    The ballot gives the BMA’s wing of around 48,000 resident doctors a mandate to call strike action over the next six months.

    The union said it would seek fresh talks with the government before announcing strike days.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,389
    barely satire

    https://x.com/TheDailyShow/status/1942609068591313332
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,648
    Stark_Dawning said:

    It might be worth Nigel just quitting Reform and starting a new vehicle. That way he can hand pick the capable members to join him while leaving behind the rotters to tear themselves apart. Reform has succeeded in wrecking the Tory party and has made the concept of voting for populists not as ridiculous as it once seemed, so it's done its job. Nigel doesn't need to keep it if it's going to hinder him.

    Erm. Reform is literally Farage´s vehicle- to the point that until a few weeks ago he was the owner of the party. The reason that things have fallen apart is nothing today with the party but everything to do with NF.

    How many parties has he now got through? What have we learned, apart from the fact that the guy can start a fight in an empty room? Mostly that he prefers foreign supporters: USA, Russia, he´s not too picky, and that he is a total charlatan.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,560
    In other, more important news it turns out I’ve spent the day driving round Bulgaria in 35C heat, and I’ve only now remembered that I had a bar of expensive chocolate in my sexy Norwegian backpack
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 415
    Andy_JS said:

    AugustusCarp2 said:

    bondegezou said:

    GB News is not Fox News. Which is a shorter way of saying that I have faith in the British media landscape that they won't let Reform UK get away with shit the way that the right-leaning media do with Trump/GOP in the US. GB News might, but they are fringe.

    Come the next general election, Farage will actually be put on the spot about his inability to keep a party together and, more importantly, about the fantasy of Reform UK's spending plans. What do voters do then?

    Wow! I admire your sang-froid. Remember the old adage..

    "One cannot hope to bribe or twist
    Thank God! The British Journalist.
    But seeing what the breed will do
    Unbribed, there's no occasion to."

    Remember who is paying for GB News, and their disdain for anything approaching broadcasting regulations - specifically those relating to impartiality.
    Sky News is just as biased to the left as GB News is to the right.
    Happy to take your word for that. I think I once saw it in a hotel bedroom, but otherwise I don't think I have ever come across it.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,727
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,063
    edited July 8
    Cicero said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    It might be worth Nigel just quitting Reform and starting a new vehicle. That way he can hand pick the capable members to join him while leaving behind the rotters to tear themselves apart. Reform has succeeded in wrecking the Tory party and has made the concept of voting for populists not as ridiculous as it once seemed, so it's done its job. Nigel doesn't need to keep it if it's going to hinder him.

    Erm. Reform is literally Farage´s vehicle- to the point that until a few weeks ago he was the owner of the party. The reason that things have fallen apart is nothing today with the party but everything to do with NF.

    How many parties has he now got through? What have we learned, apart from the fact that the guy can start a fight in an empty room? Mostly that he prefers foreign supporters: USA, Russia, he´s not too picky, and that he is a total charlatan.

    The call of America must be like a foghorn for poor Nigel. Leave Tice to run a half arsed campaign from Dubai
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,703
    Macron is such class. Wonderful speaker and so charismatic.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,063
    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    Non, monsieur, we cannot arrete les boats but you can borrow our pictures for a few months
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,228
    bondegezou said:

    What is McMurdock's Twitter statement meant to mean? Presumably advice he won't reveal and not restoring himself the whip implies he's deep in dogshit? If the advice was "you're innocent", he'd've released it. If he's done nothing to discredit the party, he'd've restored the whip.

    I think it depends on whether he lied on the loan application form and if he has repaid the loans, where the second may get him off the hook for the first.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    Andy_JS said:

    AugustusCarp2 said:

    bondegezou said:

    GB News is not Fox News. Which is a shorter way of saying that I have faith in the British media landscape that they won't let Reform UK get away with shit the way that the right-leaning media do with Trump/GOP in the US. GB News might, but they are fringe.

    Come the next general election, Farage will actually be put on the spot about his inability to keep a party together and, more importantly, about the fantasy of Reform UK's spending plans. What do voters do then?

    Wow! I admire your sang-froid. Remember the old adage..

    "One cannot hope to bribe or twist
    Thank God! The British Journalist.
    But seeing what the breed will do
    Unbribed, there's no occasion to."

    Remember who is paying for GB News, and their disdain for anything approaching broadcasting regulations - specifically those relating to impartiality.
    Sky News is just as biased to the left as GB News is to the right.
    But that’s okay in that case. It’s only bias against what some people think that’s the problem

    Also see C4 news
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,560
    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,363
    "Three men found guilty of Wagner-linked arson attack in London"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2k37x91vlo
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,529
    One of the island’s recent Reform by-election winners is in trouble already:

    A councillor on the Isle of Wight's new housing committee was previously hit with warning notices over the state of a flat she rented out.

    Reform UK councillor Caroline Gladwin serves on the adult social care, public health and housing needs committee and was previously issued with three warning notices, it has emerged.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,703
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,063
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    We must flush all vestiges of the Norman occupation and subjugation of our fair isle and then reassert our rightful claim to the French Throne.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 415
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    We've already got one! It's in Reading Museum.

    https://www.readingmuseum.org.uk/collections/britains-bayeux-tapestry

    It's a stitch-by-stitch recreation of Version 1.0 done in the 1860s. Accurate to the last detail (save for three additional loincloths added to preserve Victorian modesty).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    JosiasJessop said:

    "Three men found guilty of Wagner-linked arson attack in London"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2k37x91vlo

    The ring of fire?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,592
    JosiasJessop said:

    "Three men found guilty of Wagner-linked arson attack in London"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2k37x91vlo

    How did these idiots get mixed up with the Wagner Group?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,833
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Taz said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Taz said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Flatlander said:

    I'd say 4, but a more interesting question is what the turnover shows.

    How many in, and how many out?

    So far it is two out and one in.
    And these fuckers want to run the country. There’s a quote about running a bath that comes to mind.
    As we say in Yorkshire, this lot couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council estate.

    I still the Farage fans still cannot process that one day Rupert Lowe criticises Nigel Farage and the next day he is suspended on what turns out to be spurious grounds.
    As I’ve said before. If one person falls out with you, it may be them. If dozens of people fall out with you….
    If you meet an arsehole in the morning, you met an arsehole.

    If you meet arseholes all day ...
    You work in the gay porn industry?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,560
    Oooh. Just been invited to the USA

    All exes paid. Eyeing up World Cup cities

    That’s a nice gig. God Bless America
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    I see the government has indefinitely "paused" rail electrification outside of the South of England.
    https://www.modernrailways.com/article/government-pauses-mml-electrification-york-capacity-works-and-dawlish-phase-5
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,560
    AugustusCarp2 said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    We've already got one! It's in Reading Museum.

    https://www.readingmuseum.org.uk/collections/britains-bayeux-tapestry

    It's a stitch-by-stitch recreation of Version 1.0 done in the 1860s. Accurate to the last detail (save for three additional loincloths added to preserve Victorian modesty).
    Intriguing. Never knew that

    👍🥂
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,065
    Andy_JS said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "Three men found guilty of Wagner-linked arson attack in London"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2k37x91vlo

    How did these idiots get mixed up with the Wagner Group?
    By watching the last act of Die Walkure? Like so many others. It's addictive.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,727
    Cam Norrie on now, against Alcaraz. For those who like things one-sided.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,482
    edited July 8
    Leon said:

    Oooh. Just been invited to the USA

    All exes paid. Eyeing up World Cup cities

    That’s a nice gig. God Bless America

    All exes paid?

    Hope you're still on good terms with them.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,560
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Leon said:

    Oooh. Just been invited to the USA

    All exes paid. Eyeing up World Cup cities

    That’s a nice gig. God Bless America

    All exes paid?

    Hope you're still on good terms with them.
    Very droll
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,442
    Leon said:

    Oooh. Just been invited to the USA

    All exes paid. Eyeing up World Cup cities

    That’s a nice gig. God Bless America

    Ah so all of that Trump friendly punditry has paid off. Congratulations.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,065
    Nigelb said:

    I see the government has indefinitely "paused" rail electrification outside of the South of England.
    https://www.modernrailways.com/article/government-pauses-mml-electrification-york-capacity-works-and-dawlish-phase-5

    A66, A1, HS2, electrification. This northern power house levelling up keep the red wall caper is a remarkably subtle and cunning plan.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,802
    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    And canceled in about 2022 with the statement that it was too fragile to move.

    Which is why I was on Bayeux in March to see it before the museum closed. Bayeux is actually a very nice town with some very decent restaurants btw
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,206
    edited July 8
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  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,206
    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    Stop the Boats!
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 415
    Leon said:

    AugustusCarp2 said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    We've already got one! It's in Reading Museum.

    https://www.readingmuseum.org.uk/collections/britains-bayeux-tapestry

    It's a stitch-by-stitch recreation of Version 1.0 done in the 1860s. Accurate to the last detail (save for three additional loincloths added to preserve Victorian modesty).
    Intriguing. Never knew that

    👍🥂
    Seriously, it's worth the trip. It's very well illuminated and displayed, and although it's behind glass it's possible to get very close to it and see the detail. The rough draft they have in France was hung fairly high up, and it wasn't really easy to see it.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,742
    On the last thread and the triple lock/WFA/entitlement conundrum.

    I remain more charitable towards the electorate at large than some, I think. Yes people dislike things being taken away, but it is incumbent on politicians to sell the decisions they make, and to explain how it will be of benefit in the long term.

    Cameron and Osborne managed, by or large, to sell their spending decisions in 2010. Starmer and Reeves haven’t, because they were too timid in speaking about tough choices pre-election, and their party is too ideologically conflicted about it. I know I bang this drum a lot, but it really can’t be understated how badly the Labour leadership messed up the messaging at the GE and in their first year.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,330
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Oooh. Just been invited to the USA

    All exes paid. Eyeing up World Cup cities

    That’s a nice gig. God Bless America

    Ah so all of that Trump friendly punditry has paid off. Congratulations.
    Or it's a BOGOF with Venezuela.

    That would be an incredible article for the Spectator.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,228
    Nigelb said:

    I see the government has indefinitely "paused" rail electrification outside of the South of England.
    https://www.modernrailways.com/article/government-pauses-mml-electrification-york-capacity-works-and-dawlish-phase-5

    Scotland has been gradually rolling out rail electrification over the past fifteen years. A quiet success story.

    https://www.railengineer.co.uk/electrifying-scotland/

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,727
    sarissa said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    Stop the Boats!
    Different historical event, was that:


  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,733
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
    I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.

    But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,802
    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    I see the government has indefinitely "paused" rail electrification outside of the South of England.
    https://www.modernrailways.com/article/government-pauses-mml-electrification-york-capacity-works-and-dawlish-phase-5

    A66, A1, HS2, electrification. This northern power house levelling up keep the red wall caper is a remarkably subtle and cunning plan.
    The A66 upgrade is going ahead - I'm waiting to find out how much the Welsh and Scottish Governments are going to be made to pay for it..
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,301
    carnforth said:

    Cam Norrie on now, against Alcaraz. For those who like things one-sided.

    5-2 to Alcaraz so far!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,560
    This is it. Here. Now. Of all places, in the foothills of the Pirin Mountains in rural Bulgaria. After all these decades of travelling and tippling, searching and sampling, exploring and imbibing, I come face to face with IT

    Yes. I have been served a gin and tonic that is TOO STRONG TO DRINK
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,301
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    carnforth said:

    Cam Norrie on now, against Alcaraz. For those who like things one-sided.

    5-2 to Alcaraz so far!
    Make that 6-2, first set to Alcaraz.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,560
    No. Wait. If I pour in ALL the tonic AND all the ice in the bucket, it is just about potable

    As you were
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,948
    Leon said:

    Oooh. Just been invited to the USA

    All exes paid. Eyeing up World Cup cities

    That’s a nice gig. God Bless America

    I remember asking you before, sometime ago, how all this works and you replied - thank you. But I never see any promotional stuff, possibly I'm the wrong audience, but can you give us some examples of the return, of whoever pays you, get. An old thing maybe more appropriate, so you don't get accused of spamming the site and you do have the excuse that I asked.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,348
    Leon said:

    Oooh. Just been invited to the USA

    All exes paid. Eyeing up World Cup cities

    That’s a nice gig. God Bless America

    ICE fancy a laugh?
    Have you been to El Salvador?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,196
    bondegezou said:

    GB News is not Fox News. Which is a shorter way of saying that I have faith in the British media landscape that they won't let Reform UK get away with shit the way that the right-leaning media do with Trump/GOP in the US. GB News might, but they are fringe.

    Come the next general election, Farage will actually be put on the spot about his inability to keep a party together and, more importantly, about the fantasy of Reform UK's spending plans. What do voters do then?

    The trusty British media landscape does seem a bit picky about who it holds to account. Truss was a danger to all we hold dear who should leave office and never show her face in public again when bond yields rose under her watch. They've been higher under Reeves and the 'British media landscape' was blithely indifferent.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,196
    Cookie said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
    I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.

    But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
    It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,508
    Does anyone know what happened to @Carnyx ?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,666
    edited July 8
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Cookie said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
    I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.

    But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
    It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
    By the Normans, who weren’t French.

    * Plus Bretons and Flemish, again not French.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,363
    Andy_JS said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "Three men found guilty of Wagner-linked arson attack in London"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2k37x91vlo

    How did these idiots get mixed up with the Wagner Group?
    Online, probably. They saw lots of bots saying "Russia stronk!", how Ukrainians were Nazis (*), and how Ukraine started the war by not snuggling into the bosom of Mother Russia, and were 'encouraged' to perform this act.

    They will not be alone. I suspect some of the more militant pro-Palestinian 'protestors' are getting similar encouragement, because it hurts *us*.

    (*) A sadly common belief, even on here.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    JosiasJessop said:

    Andy_JS said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "Three men found guilty of Wagner-linked arson attack in London"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2k37x91vlo

    How did these idiots get mixed up with the Wagner Group?
    Online, probably. They saw lots of bots saying "Russia stronk!", how Ukrainians were Nazis (*), and how Ukraine started the war by not snuggling into the bosom of Mother Russia, and were 'encouraged' to perform this act.

    They will not be alone. I suspect some of the more militant pro-Palestinian 'protestors' are getting similar encouragement, because it hurts *us*.

    (*) A sadly common belief, even on here.
    You can't be serious? They haven't been brainwashed into it by propaganda about Ukrainian Nazis.

    This is Russia weaponising our diversity against us.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,063
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Cookie said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
    I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.

    But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
    It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
    The English are the Angles and Saxons, thats where the word comes from. They werent Britons.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,063
    boulay said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Cookie said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
    I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.

    But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
    It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
    By the Normans, who weren’t French.

    * Plus Bretons and Flemish, again not French.
    The Bretons were Britons of course, just to add to the gaiety
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,560
    OK this is the second very-good-value 4 star Bulgarian hotel with sensational food - overlooking a magnificent valley

    I think I’ve discovered A DESTINATION

    Inland Bulgaria. The mountains and forests. The towns are often crap but once you escape the concrete….

    Insanely good prices
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,560
    wooliedyed said:

    boulay said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Cookie said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
    I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.

    But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
    It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
    By the Normans, who weren’t French.

    * Plus Bretons and Flemish, again not French.
    The Bretons were Britons of course, just to add to the gaiety
    Indeed, Cornish. The Bretons are Cornish that fled the Duchy to escape the Anglo-Saxons. Hence “Cournouaille”
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,733
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Cookie said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
    I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.

    But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
    It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
    I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire.
    Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,560
    BlancheLivermore said:

    Does anyone know what happened to @Carnyx ?

    oh, good question

    I do hope he is alright. One of my favourite people on PB. Gentle, learned, wry, a Scot Nat with a great sense of humour

  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,080
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Cookie said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
    I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.

    But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
    It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
    Marvellous.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,063
    edited July 8
    Leon said:

    wooliedyed said:

    boulay said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Cookie said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
    I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.

    But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
    It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
    By the Normans, who weren’t French.

    * Plus Bretons and Flemish, again not French.
    The Bretons were Britons of course, just to add to the gaiety
    Indeed, Cornish. The Bretons are Cornish that fled the Duchy to escape the Anglo-Saxons. Hence “Cournouaille”
    And part of the reason Brittany's cuisine is superior to the other bits of France, its in the blood
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,983
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
    Acceptable options:

    1) UK gets Bayeux Tapestry permanently, Greece gets Elgin Marbles permanently.

    2) France keeps Bayeux Tapestry, UK keeps Elgin Marbles

    Unacceptable option:

    France keeps Bayeux Tapestry, Greece gets Elgin Marbles
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,560
    Cookie said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Cookie said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14ev1z6d5go

    Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?

    It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England

    We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
    Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
    I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.

    But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
    It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
    I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire.
    Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
    This is silly

    It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that

    The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
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