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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,487

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    We need Walden to interrogate Starmer on the source of his right-wing inclinations.

    "Pwime Minister, it has been alleged that your Irish advisor Morgan McSweeney is whispering things in your ear..."
    I'd pay to see it. SKS would be good, I think, going by his Desert Island Discs interview, but do we have a Walden? Surely we do. We're not that far gone.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,405
    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
  • isamisam Posts: 41,941
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    We need Walden to interrogate Starmer on the source of his right-wing inclinations.

    "Pwime Minister, it has been alleged that your Irish advisor Morgan McSweeney is whispering things in your ear..."
    I'd pay to see it. SKS would be good, I think, going by his Desert Island Discs interview, but do we have a Walden? Surely we do. We're not that far gone.
    That Desert Island Discs is your equivalent of HYUFD's "Boris wins back x-amount of voters according to that one poll"
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,628
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Meh. I don't really care about Trump's 'persona', nor Harris' or Starmer's for that matter.

    I care about policy, and being pinned on pie in the sky funding of said policy.

    Rogan, fascinating though the Trump podcast was, is a very poor substitute for a weighty political interview.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,053
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I can report that despite Sir Keir Traitor’s bleatings, e-gates have not been opened for Brits in the EU. He’s gonna have a lot of disappointed British voters fuming at him on holibobs this summer. What an idiot

    I can however report that I am now in my…. HUNDREDTH COUNTRY. A lifetime goal achieved

    100 countries!!


    Yes ok it’s Luxembourg. So also possibly the most boring country on earth. But that’s kind of fitting

    Go everywhere, young man!

    But he said we were all excited by his prime negotiation win. This can't be right
    It’s such desperately crap basic retail politics. If you can’t deliver, don’t promise. Instead he promised and he hasn’t delivered

    He will hack off another million holidaying British voters this summer, for no reason at all other than that he is terrible at comms
    The structure of the deal is a mistake.

    Should have been

    - 3 years fishing rights
    - If, after that, e gates are implemented for less than x% of journeys, or less than x billion in orders from common European defence fund, then no extension.
    The Spectator is running a piece saying we might be excluded from the Defense Fund anyway, by the French

    So what did Starmer actually get for giving away TWELVE YEARS of fishing rights (when the French were terrified we’d play hardball)? He got absolutely nothing. He got empty promises that mean absolutely nothing (as we now see). He’s a fucking shrieking poo-faced moron and dangerously incompetent. Everything he touches turns to dreck
    I hate to break it to you but your hero Boris Johnson effectively negotiated a permanent fisheries agreement. While it could in principle lapse in 2026 so do other parts of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement, carefully chosen by the EU to be an unacceptably high cost for the UK, including energy trading.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,226
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    I love this form of questioning. The BBC approach of "why do you hate the voters" is totally unhelpful in understanding a politician - it is just circuses: fine if you want to see politician x discomfited, but not helpful in building a philosophical apptoach to a future.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,487
    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    We need Walden to interrogate Starmer on the source of his right-wing inclinations.

    "Pwime Minister, it has been alleged that your Irish advisor Morgan McSweeney is whispering things in your ear..."
    I'd pay to see it. SKS would be good, I think, going by his Desert Island Discs interview, but do we have a Walden? Surely we do. We're not that far gone.
    That Desert Island Discs is your equivalent of HYUFD's "Boris wins back x-amount of voters according to that one poll"
    Did you catch it? You should for balance. It's only fair. Eg I listened to all of Enoch's "rivers" speech the other day with my red wine and nuts before dinner.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,840
    DavidL said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:



    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    In Hungary. She is f****** mental.
    DavidL said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:



    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    In Hungary. She is f****** mental.
    The Lettuce was probably more intelligent than Liz Truss.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,184
    edited May 31
    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I can report that despite Sir Keir Traitor’s bleatings, e-gates have not been opened for Brits in the EU. He’s gonna have a lot of disappointed British voters fuming at him on holibobs this summer. What an idiot

    I can however report that I am now in my…. HUNDREDTH COUNTRY. A lifetime goal achieved

    100 countries!!


    Yes ok it’s Luxembourg. So also possibly the most boring country on earth. But that’s kind of fitting

    Go everywhere, young man!

    But he said we were all excited by his prime negotiation win. This can't be right
    It’s such desperately crap basic retail politics. If you can’t deliver, don’t promise. Instead he promised and he hasn’t delivered

    He will hack off another million holidaying British voters this summer, for no reason at all other than that he is terrible at comms
    The structure of the deal is a mistake.

    Should have been

    - 3 years fishing rights
    - If, after that, e gates are implemented for less than x% of journeys, or less than x billion in orders from common European defence fund, then no extension.
    The Spectator is running a piece saying we might be excluded from the Defense Fund anyway, by the French

    So what did Starmer actually get for giving away TWELVE YEARS of fishing rights (when the French were terrified we’d play hardball)? He got absolutely nothing. He got empty promises that mean absolutely nothing (as we now see). He’s a fucking shrieking poo-faced moron and dangerously incompetent. Everything he touches turns to dreck
    I hate to break it to you but your hero Boris Johnson effectively negotiated a permanent fisheries agreement. While it could in principle lapse in 2026 so do other parts of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement, carefully chosen by the EU to be an unacceptably high cost for the UK, including energy trading.
    Then why did the EU insist we agree to extend it by 12 years when 5 years until the next re-negotiation would have done fine?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,106
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Luxembourg feels quite German so far. But then I’ve only been here about an hour, so I’ve only seen 90% of it

    Some years ago when the children were young we stayed overnight in Luxembourg on our drive to Italy

    The hotel did a BBQ but about 2.30am with indigestion from the BBQ we checked out for the long drive

    Later in the early hours we were stopped by the police to allow s long convoy of cruise missiles through

    The kids talk about it to this day
    I LOVE LUXEMBOURG

    They’ve sent me to a rather charming little medieval town, curved around a meandering river - Clervaux. Where they are having a Provençal market festival in a place that feels like a prosperous corner of Germany inhabited by Belgians talking French underneath an Austro-Hungarian castle

    Thank God we brexited to get away from stuff like this



    Plus an inexplicable American tank. Sherman?
    It is indeed a M4 (the Sherman was the British name, strictly speaking, and when one has Malmesbury around ...). From the Battle of the Bulge, in that location, no less, it seems. Ergo highly explicable when all is known.

    https://www.tracesofwar.com/sights/155342/M4A3-Sherman-Tank-Clervaux-.htm
    Thank you. I’ve now bought Antony Beevor’s Ardennes: Battle of the Bulge, as my accompanying book for this Luxembourg jaunt. I had no idea so much of it was fought here. As in, literally, right here in the pretty piazzas and lanes of Clervaux. Apparently the GIs that first came here thought it would be a cushy posting. And then….
    Kurt Vonnegut was one.
    Captured and held in Dresden during the firestorm bombing.
    Hence Slaughterhouse Five.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,563
    Reports over 1,000 migrants crossed the channel today

    Starmer has a real problem here and Farage will make full use of it
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,106
    Sean_F said:

    DavidL said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:



    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    In Hungary. She is f****** mental.
    DavidL said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:



    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    In Hungary. She is f****** mental.
    The Lettuce was probably more intelligent than Liz Truss.
    Certainly more political skills.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,082
    maxh said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Meh. I don't really care about Trump's 'persona', nor Harris' or Starmer's for that matter.

    I care about policy, and being pinned on pie in the sky funding of said policy.

    Rogan, fascinating though the Trump
    podcast was, is a very poor substitute for a weighty political interview.
    HARDtalk used to fill that space until the Beeb canned it
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,405
    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I can report that despite Sir Keir Traitor’s bleatings, e-gates have not been opened for Brits in the EU. He’s gonna have a lot of disappointed British voters fuming at him on holibobs this summer. What an idiot

    I can however report that I am now in my…. HUNDREDTH COUNTRY. A lifetime goal achieved

    100 countries!!


    Yes ok it’s Luxembourg. So also possibly the most boring country on earth. But that’s kind of fitting

    Go everywhere, young man!

    But he said we were all excited by his prime negotiation win. This can't be right
    It’s such desperately crap basic retail politics. If you can’t deliver, don’t promise. Instead he promised and he hasn’t delivered

    He will hack off another million holidaying British voters this summer, for no reason at all other than that he is terrible at comms
    The structure of the deal is a mistake.

    Should have been

    - 3 years fishing rights
    - If, after that, e gates are implemented for less than x% of journeys, or less than x billion in orders from common European defence fund, then no extension.
    The Spectator is running a piece saying we might be excluded from the Defense Fund anyway, by the French

    So what did Starmer actually get for giving away TWELVE YEARS of fishing rights (when the French were terrified we’d play hardball)? He got absolutely nothing. He got empty promises that mean absolutely nothing (as we now see). He’s a fucking shrieking poo-faced moron and dangerously incompetent. Everything he touches turns to dreck
    I hate to break it to you but your hero Boris Johnson effectively negotiated a permanent fisheries agreement. While it could in principle lapse in 2026 so do other parts of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement, carefully chosen by the EU to be an unacceptably high cost for the UK, including energy trading.
    But this is not true. The French were very worried they’d only get one year. Or 2 or 3 at best. Or possibly an even worse deal than now. I know this because they told me, and not just trawler guys, people in Breton politics who do this stuff for a living

    Starmer gave them twelve fucking years and got fuck all. Let’s face it, he’s a truly terrible prime minister, the verdict is in, he’s so bad he’s potentially treasonous - and I mean that word precisely, following the Chagos Surrender (which is so weirdly bad for Britain even his aides cannot explain it)
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,675
    edited May 31
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    How influential is this Rogan rasclart ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,675

    Reports over 1,000 migrants crossed the channel today

    Starmer has a real problem here and Farage will make full use of it

    The system is working to plan.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,487
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Rogan is rather tabloid. It's not quite what I meant. But yes, it's lengthy alright and he's quite personable.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,941
    edited May 31
    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    We need Walden to interrogate Starmer on the source of his right-wing inclinations.

    "Pwime Minister, it has been alleged that your Irish advisor Morgan McSweeney is whispering things in your ear..."
    I'd pay to see it. SKS would be good, I think, going by his Desert Island Discs interview, but do we have a Walden? Surely we do. We're not that far gone.
    That Desert Island Discs is your equivalent of HYUFD's "Boris wins back x-amount of voters according to that one poll"
    Did you catch it? You should for balance. It's only fair. Eg I listened to all of Enoch's "rivers" speech the other day with my red wine and nuts before dinner.
    Like Sir Keir and his Father working in a factory, my Dad listened to it, so I know what it's like
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,500
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Liz Truss has correctly pointed out that this is a weakness in the UK media ecosystem. They have Joe Rogan and we have Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    "We need independent media. We need the Joe Rogans and Ben Shapiros of the UK."
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,717
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I can report that despite Sir Keir Traitor’s bleatings, e-gates have not been opened for Brits in the EU. He’s gonna have a lot of disappointed British voters fuming at him on holibobs this summer. What an idiot

    I can however report that I am now in my…. HUNDREDTH COUNTRY. A lifetime goal achieved

    100 countries!!


    Yes ok it’s Luxembourg. So also possibly the most boring country on earth. But that’s kind of fitting

    Go everywhere, young man!

    But he said we were all excited by his prime negotiation win. This can't be right
    It’s such desperately crap basic retail politics. If you can’t deliver, don’t promise. Instead he promised and he hasn’t delivered

    He will hack off another million holidaying British voters this summer, for no reason at all other than that he is terrible at comms
    The structure of the deal is a mistake.

    Should have been

    - 3 years fishing rights
    - If, after that, e gates are implemented for less than x% of journeys, or less than x billion in orders from common European defence fund, then no extension.
    The Spectator is running a piece saying we might be excluded from the Defense Fund anyway, by the French

    So what did Starmer actually get for giving away TWELVE YEARS of fishing rights (when the French were terrified we’d play hardball)? He got absolutely nothing. He got empty promises that mean absolutely nothing (as we now see). He’s a fucking shrieking poo-faced moron and dangerously incompetent. Everything he touches turns to dreck
    The Morning Star is running a piece saying if Nigel Farage becomes PM it might become illegal to join a trade union in this country.

    So there you have it. This jumped up public schoolboy with bad teeth masquerading as the saviour of the working class is actually, once he's conned his way into power on the back of their votes, planning to stomp on them at the behest of his capitalist paymasters.
    Ah the morning star, that well known bastion of truthfulness, a paper that makes Richard Nixon look positively candid
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,405
    maxh said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Meh. I don't really care about Trump's 'persona', nor Harris' or Starmer's for that matter.

    I care about policy, and being pinned on pie in the sky funding of said policy.

    Rogan, fascinating though the Trump podcast was, is a very poor substitute for a weighty political interview.

    If it’s such a poor substitute why did the Harris campaign do their very best to avoid it while pretending not to, to the extent some say it cost her the election?

    Fact is, if you want big detailed interviews then, these days, podcasts like Rogan’s are IT. Tho I agree with @williamglenn that the UK sadly lacks an equivalent, to date. But Rogan shows it can work. The success of podcasts like TRIHistory likewise shows a hunger for real clever welll-informed detail, not pap
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,184
    Encouraging news from Matthew Parris in the Spectator that BDS can be cured:


  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,405
    My god. Luxembourg is rich

    I’ve just noticed on my itinerary that on top of the exclusively 4 and 5 star hotels, with free lunches etc - I ALSO have a “daily allowance of €100 for food and alcohol”

    That’s every day on top of everything else

    That’s quite ridiculous. Enormous fun but insane

    That’s what happens I suppose when you have a GDP per capita of $130,000 but hardly any flint knapping travel hacks come visiting. You have plenty of budget to spare
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,487
    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    We need Walden to interrogate Starmer on the source of his right-wing inclinations.

    "Pwime Minister, it has been alleged that your Irish advisor Morgan McSweeney is whispering things in your ear..."
    I'd pay to see it. SKS would be good, I think, going by his Desert Island Discs interview, but do we have a Walden? Surely we do. We're not that far gone.
    That Desert Island Discs is your equivalent of HYUFD's "Boris wins back x-amount of voters according to that one poll"
    Did you catch it? You should for balance. It's only fair. Eg I listened to all of Enoch's "rivers" speech the other day with my red wine and nuts before dinner.
    Like Sir Keir and his Father working in a factory, my Dad listened to it, so I know what it's like
    Ah so you haven't. I'll see if I can link it on some future thread one day.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,487
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I can report that despite Sir Keir Traitor’s bleatings, e-gates have not been opened for Brits in the EU. He’s gonna have a lot of disappointed British voters fuming at him on holibobs this summer. What an idiot

    I can however report that I am now in my…. HUNDREDTH COUNTRY. A lifetime goal achieved

    100 countries!!


    Yes ok it’s Luxembourg. So also possibly the most boring country on earth. But that’s kind of fitting

    Go everywhere, young man!

    But he said we were all excited by his prime negotiation win. This can't be right
    It’s such desperately crap basic retail politics. If you can’t deliver, don’t promise. Instead he promised and he hasn’t delivered

    He will hack off another million holidaying British voters this summer, for no reason at all other than that he is terrible at comms
    The structure of the deal is a mistake.

    Should have been

    - 3 years fishing rights
    - If, after that, e gates are implemented for less than x% of journeys, or less than x billion in orders from common European defence fund, then no extension.
    The Spectator is running a piece saying we might be excluded from the Defense Fund anyway, by the French

    So what did Starmer actually get for giving away TWELVE YEARS of fishing rights (when the French were terrified we’d play hardball)? He got absolutely nothing. He got empty promises that mean absolutely nothing (as we now see). He’s a fucking shrieking poo-faced moron and dangerously incompetent. Everything he touches turns to dreck
    The Morning Star is running a piece saying if Nigel Farage becomes PM it might become illegal to join a trade union in this country.

    So there you have it. This jumped up public schoolboy with bad teeth masquerading as the saviour of the working class is actually, once he's conned his way into power on the back of their votes, planning to stomp on them at the behest of his capitalist paymasters.
    Ah the morning star, that well known bastion of truthfulness, a paper that makes Richard Nixon look positively candid
    But compared to the Spectator ...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,405
    LUXEMBOURG IS THE BEST DESTINATION ON EARTH
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,841
    Interesting fight for the second spot in Holyrood brewing
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,628
    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Meh. I don't really care about Trump's 'persona', nor Harris' or Starmer's for that matter.

    I care about policy, and being pinned on pie in the sky funding of said policy.

    Rogan, fascinating though the Trump podcast was, is a very poor substitute for a weighty political interview.

    If it’s such a poor substitute why did the Harris campaign do their very best to avoid it while pretending not to, to the extent some say it cost her the election?

    Fact is, if you want big detailed interviews then, these days, podcasts like Rogan’s are IT. Tho I agree with @williamglenn that the UK sadly lacks an equivalent, to date. But Rogan shows it can work. The success of podcasts like TRIHistory likewise shows a hunger for real clever welll-informed detail, not pap
    Oh I agree with the popularity of podcasts and celebrate that, not least because they strip back the form to just voice and perhaps a little music, there is little to distract. I increasingly get my news from them, particularly Al Jazeera.

    The reason Harris didn't do Rogan, imo, is that many voters want the shallow personality politics that you are celebrating Rogan offering, and she is something of a personality vacuum, especially when compared to Trump.

    If politics is entertainment, as it is for many, Rogan is perfect. I didn't say that Rogan isn't important in politics, just that if we want politicians who actually make things happen, subjecting them to Rogan is a poor substitute to subjecting them to e.g Andrew Neil.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,307
    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,628
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I can report that despite Sir Keir Traitor’s bleatings, e-gates have not been opened for Brits in the EU. He’s gonna have a lot of disappointed British voters fuming at him on holibobs this summer. What an idiot

    I can however report that I am now in my…. HUNDREDTH COUNTRY. A lifetime goal achieved

    100 countries!!


    Yes ok it’s Luxembourg. So also possibly the most boring country on earth. But that’s kind of fitting

    Go everywhere, young man!

    But he said we were all excited by his prime negotiation win. This can't be right
    It’s such desperately crap basic retail politics. If you can’t deliver, don’t promise. Instead he promised and he hasn’t delivered

    He will hack off another million holidaying British voters this summer, for no reason at all other than that he is terrible at comms
    The structure of the deal is a mistake.

    Should have been

    - 3 years fishing rights
    - If, after that, e gates are implemented for less than x% of journeys, or less than x billion in orders from common European defence fund, then no extension.
    The Spectator is running a piece saying we might be excluded from the Defense Fund anyway, by the French

    So what did Starmer actually get for giving away TWELVE YEARS of fishing rights (when the French were terrified we’d play hardball)? He got absolutely nothing. He got empty promises that mean absolutely nothing (as we now see). He’s a fucking shrieking poo-faced moron and dangerously incompetent. Everything he touches turns to dreck
    The Morning Star is running a piece saying if Nigel Farage becomes PM it might become illegal to join a trade union in this country.

    So there you have it. This jumped up public schoolboy with bad teeth masquerading as the saviour of the working class is actually, once he's conned his way into power on the back of their votes, planning to stomp on them at the behest of his capitalist paymasters.
    Ah the morning star, that well known bastion of truthfulness, a paper that makes Richard Nixon look positively candid
    I think, dear Pagan, that was Kinabalu's point.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,281
    Just in case you don't know, you can watch the Champions League Final for free tonight with the TNT Sports or Discovery Plus app.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,531
    edited May 31
    carnforth said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I can report that despite Sir Keir Traitor’s bleatings, e-gates have not been opened for Brits in the EU. He’s gonna have a lot of disappointed British voters fuming at him on holibobs this summer. What an idiot

    I can however report that I am now in my…. HUNDREDTH COUNTRY. A lifetime goal achieved

    100 countries!!


    Yes ok it’s Luxembourg. So also possibly the most boring country on earth. But that’s kind of fitting

    Go everywhere, young man!

    But he said we were all excited by his prime negotiation win. This can't be right
    It’s such desperately crap basic retail politics. If you can’t deliver, don’t promise. Instead he promised and he hasn’t delivered

    He will hack off another million holidaying British voters this summer, for no reason at all other than that he is terrible at comms
    The structure of the deal is a mistake.

    Should have been

    - 3 years fishing rights
    - If, after that, e gates are implemented for less than x% of journeys, or less than x billion in orders from common European defence fund, then no extension.
    The Spectator is running a piece saying we might be excluded from the Defense Fund anyway, by the French

    So what did Starmer actually get for giving away TWELVE YEARS of fishing rights (when the French were terrified we’d play hardball)? He got absolutely nothing. He got empty promises that mean absolutely nothing (as we now see). He’s a fucking shrieking poo-faced moron and dangerously incompetent. Everything he touches turns to dreck
    I hate to break it to you but your hero Boris Johnson effectively negotiated a permanent fisheries agreement. While it could in principle lapse in 2026 so do other parts of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement, carefully chosen by the EU to be an unacceptably high cost for the UK, including energy trading.
    Then why did the EU insist we agree to extend it by 12 years when 5 years until the next re-negotiation would have done fine?
    We got no time limit on the agreement on food exports ,for one thing. There may be others:

    According to EU sources, access to British fishing waters will be granted until the end of June 2038, an extension of 12 years. But in return, the agreement on easier checks for food, animal and other agricultural products, known as sanitary and phytosanitary goods (SPS), will be indefinite.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/19/uk-eu-brexit-reset-talks-starmer-summit
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,508

    Leon said:

    I can report that despite Sir Keir Traitor’s bleatings, e-gates have not been opened for Brits in the EU. He’s gonna have a lot of disappointed British voters fuming at him on holibobs this summer. What an idiot

    I can however report that I am now in my…. HUNDREDTH COUNTRY. A lifetime goal achieved

    100 countries!!


    Yes ok it’s Luxembourg. So also possibly the most boring country on earth. But that’s kind of fitting

    Go everywhere, young man!

    But he said we were all excited by his prime negotiation win. This can't be right
    I hope he got community noted if he said it on Twitter.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,841
    edited May 31
    Opinium appears to be
    Ref 31 (+2)
    Lab 25 (=)
    Con 17 (-1)
    LD 11 (-2)
    Green 10 (=)
    SNP 2 (=)

    28 to 30 May changes from 14 to 16 May

    In line with all polling atm
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,628
    Leon said:

    LUXEMBOURG IS THE BEST DESTINATION ON EARTH

    Have you been to Liechtenstein? It's like Luxembourg but without the people.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,841

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,405
    maxh said:

    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Meh. I don't really care about Trump's 'persona', nor Harris' or Starmer's for that matter.

    I care about policy, and being pinned on pie in the sky funding of said policy.

    Rogan, fascinating though the Trump podcast was, is a very poor substitute for a weighty political interview.

    If it’s such a poor substitute why did the Harris campaign do their very best to avoid it while pretending not to, to the extent some say it cost her the election?

    Fact is, if you want big detailed interviews then, these days, podcasts like Rogan’s are IT. Tho I agree with @williamglenn that the UK sadly lacks an equivalent, to date. But Rogan shows it can work. The success of podcasts like TRIHistory likewise shows a hunger for real clever welll-informed detail, not pap
    Oh I agree with the popularity of podcasts and celebrate that, not least because they strip back the form to just voice and perhaps a little music, there is little to distract. I increasingly get my news from them, particularly Al Jazeera.

    The reason Harris didn't do Rogan, imo, is that many voters want the shallow personality politics that you are celebrating Rogan offering, and she is something of a personality vacuum, especially when compared to Trump.

    If politics is entertainment, as it is for many, Rogan is perfect. I didn't say that Rogan isn't important in politics, just that if we want politicians who actually make things happen, subjecting them to Rogan is a poor substitute to subjecting them to e.g Andrew Neil.
    I strongly disagree. The 3 hour Rogan interview goes deep simply because it is so long. It shows you the real person. And it only works because Rogan is affable charming and interested, no one would do a 3 hour interview with Emily Maitlis constantly trying to catch you out and call you a racist. It’s childish and stupid

    Kamala Harris refused to do it because they were rightly scared she’d be revealed as shallow, boring, clueless and dumb. That’s what Rogan can do with his deceptive charm and 180 minutes to work with

    OTOH I agree entirely with the Andrew Neil idea. He’s getting on a bit but he’s still got vim. A 90 minute interview on the “Andrew Neil Podcast” should be compulsory for all British politicians at least once a year
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,281
    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Meh. I don't really care about Trump's 'persona', nor Harris' or Starmer's for that matter.

    I care about policy, and being pinned on pie in the sky funding of said policy.

    Rogan, fascinating though the Trump podcast was, is a very poor substitute for a weighty political interview.

    If it’s such a poor substitute why did the Harris campaign do their very best to avoid it while pretending not to, to the extent some say it cost her the election?

    Fact is, if you want big detailed interviews then, these days, podcasts like Rogan’s are IT. Tho I agree with @williamglenn that the UK sadly lacks an equivalent, to date. But Rogan shows it can work. The success of podcasts like TRIHistory likewise shows a hunger for real clever welll-informed detail, not pap
    Oh I agree with the popularity of podcasts and celebrate that, not least because they strip back the form to just voice and perhaps a little music, there is little to distract. I increasingly get my news from them, particularly Al Jazeera.

    The reason Harris didn't do Rogan, imo, is that many voters want the shallow personality politics that you are celebrating Rogan offering, and she is something of a personality vacuum, especially when compared to Trump.

    If politics is entertainment, as it is for many, Rogan is perfect. I didn't say that Rogan isn't important in politics, just that if we want politicians who actually make things happen, subjecting them to Rogan is a poor substitute to subjecting them to e.g Andrew Neil.
    I strongly disagree. The 3 hour Rogan interview goes deep simply because it is so long. It shows you the real person. And it only works because Rogan is affable charming and interested, no one would do a 3 hour interview with Emily Maitlis constantly trying to catch you out and call you a racist. It’s childish and stupid

    Kamala Harris refused to do it because they were rightly scared she’d be revealed as shallow, boring, clueless and dumb. That’s what Rogan can do with his deceptive charm and 180 minutes to work with

    OTOH I agree entirely with the Andrew Neil idea. He’s getting on a bit but he’s still got vim. A 90 minute interview on the “Andrew Neil Podcast” should be compulsory for all British politicians at least once a year
    Boris famously skipped doing an interview during the 2019 election campaign with Andrew Neil and it didn't affect him though.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,876
    Leon said:

    LUXEMBOURG IS THE BEST DESTINATION ON EARTH

    If you're on expenses.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,487
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    I love this form of questioning. The BBC approach of "why do you hate the voters" is totally unhelpful in understanding a politician - it is just circuses: fine if you want to see politician x discomfited, but not helpful in building a philosophical apptoach to a future.
    Well he didn't tease out the real Trump, did he? Nov 5th proved that. Or alternatively proved he isn't influential at all. Just like celebs for the left are overrated.

    No, when I lament the lack of lengthy serious interviews of politicians (since I agree your point about the tedious sterile gotcha approach we seem to always get) I am not thinking of the likes of Joe Rogan.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,841
    The Norstat Regional figures are
    🟡SNP 28% (-2)
    🔴Labour 18% (+1)
    🔵Reform 16% (+3)
    🔵Conservative 15% (NC)
    🟠Lib Dem 10% (-1)
    🟢Green 9% (-1)
    ⚫️Other 5% (-1)

    Giving a possible Holyrood of
    🟡SNP 54 seats
    🔴Labour 20
    🔵Reform 18
    🔵Conservative 17
    🟠Lib Dem 11
    🟢Green 9
  • isamisam Posts: 41,941
    edited May 31
    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    We need Walden to interrogate Starmer on the source of his right-wing inclinations.

    "Pwime Minister, it has been alleged that your Irish advisor Morgan McSweeney is whispering things in your ear..."
    I'd pay to see it. SKS would be good, I think, going by his Desert Island Discs interview, but do we have a Walden? Surely we do. We're not that far gone.
    That Desert Island Discs is your equivalent of HYUFD's "Boris wins back x-amount of voters according to that one poll"
    Did you catch it? You should for balance. It's only fair. Eg I listened to all of Enoch's "rivers" speech the other day with my red wine and nuts before dinner.
    Like Sir Keir and his Father working in a factory, my Dad listened to it, so I know what it's like
    Ah so you haven't. I'll see if I can link it on some future thread one day.
    All Desert Island Discs are on Spotify, so I have it at my fingertips should I ever feel like listening. I caught him on a podcast I really like called Football Cliches; guests have to name their obscure and quirky, leftfield likes and dislikes of football - Sir Keir's likes were "football, celebrations and goals"

    As for Powell, like him or loathe him, every politico should watch his interview/war with David Frost, a veritable battle. It used to be on YouTube, alas no more. But I have the DVD... although no DVD player... I can't very well put it on for the boys in the car... young Enoch and Nigel are still at the Peppa Pig stage
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,508
    edited May 31
    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I can report that despite Sir Keir Traitor’s bleatings, e-gates have not been opened for Brits in the EU. He’s gonna have a lot of disappointed British voters fuming at him on holibobs this summer. What an idiot

    I can however report that I am now in my…. HUNDREDTH COUNTRY. A lifetime goal achieved

    100 countries!!


    Yes ok it’s Luxembourg. So also possibly the most boring country on earth. But that’s kind of fitting

    Go everywhere, young man!

    But he said we were all excited by his prime negotiation win. This can't be right
    It’s such desperately crap basic retail politics. If you can’t deliver, don’t promise. Instead he promised and he hasn’t delivered

    He will hack off another million holidaying British voters this summer, for no reason at all other than that he is terrible at comms
    The structure of the deal is a mistake.

    Should have been

    - 3 years fishing rights
    - If, after that, e gates are implemented for less than x% of journeys, or less than x billion in orders from common European defence fund, then no extension.
    The Spectator is running a piece saying we might be excluded from the Defense Fund anyway, by the French

    So what did Starmer actually get for giving away TWELVE YEARS of fishing rights (when the French were terrified we’d play hardball)? He got absolutely nothing. He got empty promises that mean absolutely nothing (as we now see). He’s a fucking shrieking poo-faced moron and dangerously incompetent. Everything he touches turns to dreck
    I hate to break it to you but your hero Boris Johnson effectively negotiated a permanent fisheries agreement. While it could in principle lapse in 2026 so do other parts of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement, carefully chosen by the EU to be an unacceptably high cost for the UK, including energy trading.
    Then why did the EU insist we agree to extend it by 12 years when 5 years until the next re-negotiation would have done fine?
    We got no time limit on the agreement on food exports ,for one thing. There may be others:

    According to EU sources, access to British fishing waters will be granted until the end of June 2038, an extension of 12 years. But in return, the agreement on easier checks for food, animal and other agricultural products, known as sanitary and phytosanitary goods (SPS), will be indefinite.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/19/uk-eu-brexit-reset-talks-starmer-summit
    Indefinite presumably as long as we agree to dynamic alignment on regulations under the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

    When using SPS checks as a means of hindering imports is a breach of WTO rules, and any Government worth shit would be complaining about it to the WTO, not giving concessions to ask them to kindly desist. Of course that definition excludes the Governments of Starmer and Sunak, who had both staked their reputations on a 'grown up' deal with the EU, a fact that ensured the EU has continued to rip the piss.

    Even very pro-EU commentators are saying Sir Suez has been done up like a kipper, so there is very little point in coming here trying to polish a turd.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,628
    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Meh. I don't really care about Trump's 'persona', nor Harris' or Starmer's for that matter.

    I care about policy, and being pinned on pie in the sky funding of said policy.

    Rogan, fascinating though the Trump podcast was, is a very poor substitute for a weighty political interview.

    If it’s such a poor substitute why did the Harris campaign do their very best to avoid it while pretending not to, to the extent some say it cost her the election?

    Fact is, if you want big detailed interviews then, these days, podcasts like Rogan’s are IT. Tho I agree with @williamglenn that the UK sadly lacks an equivalent, to date. But Rogan shows it can work. The success of podcasts like TRIHistory likewise shows a hunger for real clever welll-informed detail, not pap
    Oh I agree with the popularity of podcasts and celebrate that, not least because they strip back the form to just voice and perhaps a little music, there is little to distract. I increasingly get my news from them, particularly Al Jazeera.

    The reason Harris didn't do Rogan, imo, is that many voters want the shallow personality politics that you are celebrating Rogan offering, and she is something of a personality vacuum, especially when compared to Trump.

    If politics is entertainment, as it is for many, Rogan is perfect. I didn't say that Rogan isn't important in politics, just that if we want politicians who actually make things happen, subjecting them to Rogan is a poor substitute to subjecting them to e.g Andrew Neil.
    I strongly disagree. The 3 hour Rogan interview goes deep simply because it is so long. It shows you the real person. And it only works because Rogan is affable charming and interested, no one would do a 3 hour interview with Emily Maitlis constantly trying to catch you out and call you a racist. It’s childish and stupid

    Kamala Harris refused to do it because they were rightly scared she’d be revealed as shallow, boring, clueless and dumb. That’s what Rogan can do with his deceptive charm and 180 minutes to work with

    OTOH I agree entirely with the Andrew Neil idea. He’s getting on a bit but he’s still got vim. A 90 minute interview on the “Andrew Neil Podcast” should be compulsory for all British politicians at least once a year
    I'm not sure we are disagreeing that much. Neil>Rogan>Maitlis. I enjoy Rogan's interviews (though the opportunity cost of 3+ hours means I rarely listen). But where in Trump's interview did Rogan pin him on anything important?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,487

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Liz Truss has correctly pointed out that this is a weakness in the UK media ecosystem. They have Joe Rogan and we have Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    "We need independent media. We need the Joe Rogans and Ben Shapiros of the UK."
    What's that "correctly" doing in there, William?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,405
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    LUXEMBOURG IS THE BEST DESTINATION ON EARTH

    If you're on expenses.
    Well, yes, but my God the expenses

    They are already housing and feeding me in fine style, I’ve got Moselle wine tastings and boutique chocolate experiences and all the rest - but chucking in an extra €100 a day for snacks and champagne simply as I wish, that’s right up there with Maldivian hospitality
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,478

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Liz Truss has correctly pointed out that this is a weakness in the UK media ecosystem. They have Joe Rogan and we have Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    "We need independent media. We need the Joe Rogans and Ben Shapiros of the UK."
    A 'media ecosystem' is what emerges givent the conditions of a free press and free speech - which in the UK we very largely have.

    What the existence of a free press and free media cannot predict is outcomes. You might get Bernard Levin, Brian Walden, Andrew Neil, Jeffrey Goldberg, Ezra Klein and Joe Rogan; or you might not. A free press and media is, axiomatically, not planned.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,405
    CatMan said:

    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Meh. I don't really care about Trump's 'persona', nor Harris' or Starmer's for that matter.

    I care about policy, and being pinned on pie in the sky funding of said policy.

    Rogan, fascinating though the Trump podcast was, is a very poor substitute for a weighty political interview.

    If it’s such a poor substitute why did the Harris campaign do their very best to avoid it while pretending not to, to the extent some say it cost her the election?

    Fact is, if you want big detailed interviews then, these days, podcasts like Rogan’s are IT. Tho I agree with @williamglenn that the UK sadly lacks an equivalent, to date. But Rogan shows it can work. The success of podcasts like TRIHistory likewise shows a hunger for real clever welll-informed detail, not pap
    Oh I agree with the popularity of podcasts and celebrate that, not least because they strip back the form to just voice and perhaps a little music, there is little to distract. I increasingly get my news from them, particularly Al Jazeera.

    The reason Harris didn't do Rogan, imo, is that many voters want the shallow personality politics that you are celebrating Rogan offering, and she is something of a personality vacuum, especially when compared to Trump.

    If politics is entertainment, as it is for many, Rogan is perfect. I didn't say that Rogan isn't important in politics, just that if we want politicians who actually make things happen, subjecting them to Rogan is a poor substitute to subjecting them to e.g Andrew Neil.
    I strongly disagree. The 3 hour Rogan interview goes deep simply because it is so long. It shows you the real person. And it only works because Rogan is affable charming and interested, no one would do a 3 hour interview with Emily Maitlis constantly trying to catch you out and call you a racist. It’s childish and stupid

    Kamala Harris refused to do it because they were rightly scared she’d be revealed as shallow, boring, clueless and dumb. That’s what Rogan can do with his deceptive charm and 180 minutes to work with

    OTOH I agree entirely with the Andrew Neil idea. He’s getting on a bit but he’s still got vim. A 90 minute interview on the “Andrew Neil Podcast” should be compulsory for all British politicians at least once a year
    Boris famously skipped doing an interview during the 2019 election campaign with Andrew Neil and it didn't affect him though.
    Yes that was pathetic cowardice

    As I said I’d basically make this a legal requirement. 90 minutes with Andrew Neil (or his equally flinty successor)

    I actually agree with @kinabalu on this even if we disagree on the details. We need much more in depth adult interviews in British politics, and at a proper length. An hour at least not some random 20 minutes on Newsnight. For me Rogan shows the way, and shows that people will literally watch/listen for 3 hours
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,508
    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    We need Walden to interrogate Starmer on the source of his right-wing inclinations.

    "Pwime Minister, it has been alleged that your Irish advisor Morgan McSweeney is whispering things in your ear..."
    I'd pay to see it. SKS would be good, I think, going by his Desert Island Discs interview, but do we have a Walden? Surely we do. We're not that far gone.
    That Desert Island Discs is your equivalent of HYUFD's "Boris wins back x-amount of voters according to that one poll"
    Did you catch it? You should for balance. It's only fair. Eg I listened to all of Enoch's "rivers" speech the other day with my red wine and nuts before dinner.
    Like Sir Keir and his Father working in a factory, my Dad listened to it, so I know what it's like
    Ah so you haven't. I'll see if I can link it on some future thread one day.
    All Desert Island Discs are on Spotify, so I have it at my fingertips should I ever feel like listening. I caught him on a podcast I really like called Football Cliches; guests have to name their obscure and quirky, leftfield likes and dislikes of football - Sir Keir's likes were "football, celebrations and goals"

    As for Powell, like him or loathe him, every politico should watch his interview/war with David Frost, a veritable battle. It used to be on YouTube, alas no more. But I have the DVD... although no DVD player... I can't very well put it on for the boys in the car... young Enoch and Nigel are still at the Peppa Pig stage
    I think I could name three better quirky and left field likes I have in football, and I don't even care for the game.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,871
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I can report that despite Sir Keir Traitor’s bleatings, e-gates have not been opened for Brits in the EU. He’s gonna have a lot of disappointed British voters fuming at him on holibobs this summer. What an idiot

    I can however report that I am now in my…. HUNDREDTH COUNTRY. A lifetime goal achieved

    100 countries!!


    Yes ok it’s Luxembourg. So also possibly the most boring country on earth. But that’s kind of fitting

    Go everywhere, young man!

    But he said we were all excited by his prime negotiation win. This can't be right
    It’s such desperately crap basic retail politics. If you can’t deliver, don’t promise. Instead he promised and he hasn’t delivered

    He will hack off another million holidaying British voters this summer, for no reason at all other than that he is terrible at comms
    The structure of the deal is a mistake.

    Should have been

    - 3 years fishing rights
    - If, after that, e gates are implemented for less than x% of journeys, or less than x billion in orders from common European defence fund, then no extension.
    The Spectator is running a piece saying we might be excluded from the Defense Fund anyway, by the French

    So what did Starmer actually get for giving away TWELVE YEARS of fishing rights (when the French were terrified we’d play hardball)? He got absolutely nothing. He got empty promises that mean absolutely nothing (as we now see). He’s a fucking shrieking poo-faced moron and dangerously incompetent. Everything he touches turns to dreck
    The Morning Star is running a piece saying if Nigel Farage becomes PM it might become illegal to join a trade union in this country.

    So there you have it. This jumped up public schoolboy with bad teeth masquerading as the saviour of the working class is actually, once he's conned his way into power on the back of their votes, planning to stomp on them at the behest of his capitalist paymasters.
    Ah the morning star, that well known bastion of truthfulness, a paper that makes Richard Nixon look positively candid
    Probably the most expensive newspaper, per page.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,307

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,500
    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Meh. I don't really care about Trump's 'persona', nor Harris' or Starmer's for that matter.

    I care about policy, and being pinned on pie in the sky funding of said policy.

    Rogan, fascinating though the Trump podcast was, is a very poor substitute for a weighty political interview.

    If it’s such a poor substitute why did the Harris campaign do their very best to avoid it while pretending not to, to the extent some say it cost her the election?

    Fact is, if you want big detailed interviews then, these days, podcasts like Rogan’s are IT. Tho I agree with @williamglenn that the UK sadly lacks an equivalent, to date. But Rogan shows it can work. The success of podcasts like TRIHistory likewise shows a hunger for real clever welll-informed detail, not pap
    Oh I agree with the popularity of podcasts and celebrate that, not least because they strip back the form to just voice and perhaps a little music, there is little to distract. I increasingly get my news from them, particularly Al Jazeera.

    The reason Harris didn't do Rogan, imo, is that many voters want the shallow personality politics that you are celebrating Rogan offering, and she is something of a personality vacuum, especially when compared to Trump.

    If politics is entertainment, as it is for many, Rogan is perfect. I didn't say that Rogan isn't important in politics, just that if we want politicians who actually make things happen, subjecting them to Rogan is a poor substitute to subjecting them to e.g Andrew Neil.
    I strongly disagree. The 3 hour Rogan interview goes deep simply because it is so long. It shows you the real person. And it only works because Rogan is affable charming and interested, no one would do a 3 hour interview with Emily Maitlis constantly trying to catch you out and call you a racist. It’s childish and stupid

    Kamala Harris refused to do it because they were rightly scared she’d be revealed as shallow, boring, clueless and dumb. That’s what Rogan can do with his deceptive charm and 180 minutes to work with

    OTOH I agree entirely with the Andrew Neil idea. He’s getting on a bit but he’s still got vim. A 90 minute interview on the “Andrew Neil Podcast” should be compulsory for all British politicians at least once a year
    Actually a three hour interview with Emily Maitlis might be interesting because her own facade might start to break down if the guest was also allowed to look things up in real time and fact-check the fact-checkers.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,841

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    They also flashed up 'introducing Billie Piper' but not 'as the doctor' so a little RTD fake out to annoy everyone
    He should have a full reset and have the interim Billie Piper demi doctor seek out Chris Eccleston
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,044
    PSG on 2 already.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,531
    edited May 31

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Liz Truss has correctly pointed out that this is a weakness in the UK media ecosystem. They have Joe Rogan and we have Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    "We need independent media. We need the Joe Rogans and Ben Shapiros of the UK."
    Well, she's the closest thing we have to Rogan's random walk nuttiness, and the niche is wide open for whenever she wishes to have a go - if she thinks that there's an audience of millions in the UK who prefer fruit loops over fruit cocktails.

    There's some appetite for it; Fortean Times still has a print circulation in 5 figures. She can put her studio in a blue pyramid.

    Joe Rogan's habit is to do things anyway, whilst accepting that he has no knowledge whatsoever of the subject. An ideal partner for Truss:

    While admitting that he has "zero understanding" of Canada's political system, Rogan opposed Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, calling him "a fucking dictator", and called Canada "communist" and "fucked". Rogan also said that he liked Trudeau prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.
    ...
    On September 1, 2021, Rogan tested positive for the (Covid) virus. Soon after, he released an online video reporting on the status of his condition and stating that he had begun a regimen including monoclonal antibodies, prednisone, azithromycin, NAD drip, a vitamin drip, as well as ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug that medical experts say is not an effective treatment for viruses such as COVID-19.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan

    I don't think I've had my photo today, so ... Joe Rogan:


  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,082

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I can report that despite Sir Keir Traitor’s bleatings, e-gates have not been opened for Brits in the EU. He’s gonna have a lot of disappointed British voters fuming at him on holibobs this summer. What an idiot

    I can however report that I am now in my…. HUNDREDTH COUNTRY. A lifetime goal achieved

    100 countries!!


    Yes ok it’s Luxembourg. So also possibly the most boring country on earth. But that’s kind of fitting

    Go everywhere, young man!

    But he said we were all excited by his prime negotiation win. This can't be right
    It’s such desperately crap basic retail politics. If you can’t deliver, don’t promise. Instead he promised and he hasn’t delivered

    He will hack off another million holidaying British voters this summer, for no reason at all other than that he is terrible at comms
    The structure of the deal is a mistake.

    Should have been

    - 3 years fishing rights
    - If, after that, e gates are implemented for less than x% of journeys, or less than x billion in orders from common European defence fund, then no extension.
    The Spectator is running a piece saying we might be excluded from the Defense Fund anyway, by the French

    So what did Starmer actually get for giving away TWELVE YEARS of fishing rights (when the French were terrified we’d play hardball)? He got absolutely nothing. He got empty promises that mean absolutely nothing (as we now see). He’s a fucking shrieking poo-faced moron and dangerously incompetent. Everything he touches turns to dreck
    The Morning Star is running a piece saying if Nigel Farage becomes PM it might become illegal to join a trade union in this country.

    So there you have it. This jumped up public schoolboy with bad teeth masquerading as the saviour of the working class is actually, once he's conned his way into power on the back of their votes, planning to stomp on them at the behest of his capitalist paymasters.

    Ah the morning star, that well known bastion of truthfulness, a paper that makes Richard Nixon look positively candid
    Probably the most expensive newspaper, per page.
    Absolutely - it would cost you your freedom and possibly your life if they were successful
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,876
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    LUXEMBOURG IS THE BEST DESTINATION ON EARTH

    If you're on expenses.
    Well, yes, but my God the expenses

    They are already housing and feeding me in fine style, I’ve got Moselle wine tastings and boutique chocolate experiences and all the rest - but chucking in an extra €100 a day for snacks and champagne simply as I wish, that’s right up there with Maldivian hospitality
    We celebrate your good fortune.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,759

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I can report that despite Sir Keir Traitor’s bleatings, e-gates have not been opened for Brits in the EU. He’s gonna have a lot of disappointed British voters fuming at him on holibobs this summer. What an idiot

    I can however report that I am now in my…. HUNDREDTH COUNTRY. A lifetime goal achieved

    100 countries!!


    Yes ok it’s Luxembourg. So also possibly the most boring country on earth. But that’s kind of fitting

    Go everywhere, young man!

    But he said we were all excited by his prime negotiation win. This can't be right
    It’s such desperately crap basic retail politics. If you can’t deliver, don’t promise. Instead he promised and he hasn’t delivered

    He will hack off another million holidaying British voters this summer, for no reason at all other than that he is terrible at comms
    The structure of the deal is a mistake.

    Should have been

    - 3 years fishing rights
    - If, after that, e gates are implemented for less than x% of journeys, or less than x billion in orders from common European defence fund, then no extension.
    The Spectator is running a piece saying we might be excluded from the Defense Fund anyway, by the French

    So what did Starmer actually get for giving away TWELVE YEARS of fishing rights (when the French were terrified we’d play hardball)? He got absolutely nothing. He got empty promises that mean absolutely nothing (as we now see). He’s a fucking shrieking poo-faced moron and dangerously incompetent. Everything he touches turns to dreck
    The Morning Star is running a piece saying if Nigel Farage becomes PM it might become illegal to join a trade union in this country.

    So there you have it. This jumped up public schoolboy with bad teeth masquerading as the saviour of the working class is actually, once he's conned his way into power on the back of their votes, planning to stomp on them at the behest of his capitalist paymasters.

    Ah the morning star, that well known bastion of truthfulness, a paper that makes Richard Nixon look positively candid
    Probably the most expensive newspaper, per page.
    Absolutely - it would cost you your freedom and possibly your life if they were successful
    Still more accurate than The Spectator.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,722
    edited May 31

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    I'm not angry, I'm just...weary. Ncuti's reign was far too short, nothing really made sense, and he was hyper all the time. The loose ends (Rogue? Susan?) were untidy, the supervillains were unnecessarily CGI, and the [redacted] is stunt casting. Grrr. Will rant further after you've all seen it.

    (Plus the entire plot was leaked many weeks ago, so this was not a surprise)

    (Plus he didn't do a swordfight once. NOT ONCE!)

    (Plus it was nice to see Jodie again)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,405
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Liz Truss has correctly pointed out that this is a weakness in the UK media ecosystem. They have Joe Rogan and we have Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    "We need independent media. We need the Joe Rogans and Ben Shapiros of the UK."
    Well, she's the closest thing we have to Rogan's random walk nuttiness, and the niche is wide open for whenever she wishes to have a go - if she thinks that there's an audience of millions in the UK who prefer fruit loops over fruit cocktails.

    There's some appetite for it, Fortean Times still has a print circulation in 5 figures. She can put her studio in a blue pyramid.

    Joe Rogan's habit is to do things anyway, whilst accepting that he has no knowledge whatsoever of the subject. An ideal partner for Truss:

    While admitting that he has "zero understanding" of Canada's political system, Rogan opposed Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, calling him "a fucking dictator", and called Canada "communist" and "fucked". Rogan also said that he liked Trudeau prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.
    ...
    On September 1, 2021, Rogan tested positive for the (Covid) virus. Soon after, he released an online video reporting on the status of his condition and stating that he had begun a regimen including monoclonal antibodies, prednisone, azithromycin, NAD drip, a vitamin drip, as well as ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug that medical experts say is not an effective treatment for viruses such as COVID-19.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan
    Rogan is incredibly clever and well informed. He’s the best paid and most listened podcaster in the world for a reason

    Recall he sometimes does these 3 hour interviews several times a week, for months on end. Yet he makes them all appear effortless

    The research behind the scenes must be intense and crazy
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,487
    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    We need Walden to interrogate Starmer on the source of his right-wing inclinations.

    "Pwime Minister, it has been alleged that your Irish advisor Morgan McSweeney is whispering things in your ear..."
    I'd pay to see it. SKS would be good, I think, going by his Desert Island Discs interview, but do we have a Walden? Surely we do. We're not that far gone.
    That Desert Island Discs is your equivalent of HYUFD's "Boris wins back x-amount of voters according to that one poll"
    Did you catch it? You should for balance. It's only fair. Eg I listened to all of Enoch's "rivers" speech the other day with my red wine and nuts before dinner.
    Like Sir Keir and his Father working in a factory, my Dad listened to it, so I know what it's like
    Ah so you haven't. I'll see if I can link it on some future thread one day.
    All Desert Island Discs are on Spotify, so I have it at my fingertips should I ever feel like listening. I caught him on a podcast I really like called Football Cliches; guests have to name their obscure and quirky, leftfield likes and dislikes of football - Sir Keir's likes were "football, celebrations and goals"

    As for Powell, like him or loathe him, every politico should watch his interview/war with David Frost, a veritable battle. It used to be on YouTube, alas no more. But I have the DVD... although no DVD player... I can't very well put it on for the boys in the car... young Enoch and Nigel are still at the Peppa Pig stage
    Nothing worse than straining to be quirky. A lot of what gets described as authentic is actually shallow self-indulgence. Eg Boris, Galloway, Rees Mogg, all this sort of "ooo look at me being myself" sort of nonsense.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,405
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    LUXEMBOURG IS THE BEST DESTINATION ON EARTH

    If you're on expenses.
    Well, yes, but my God the expenses

    They are already housing and feeding me in fine style, I’ve got Moselle wine tastings and boutique chocolate experiences and all the rest - but chucking in an extra €100 a day for snacks and champagne simply as I wish, that’s right up there with Maldivian hospitality
    We celebrate your good fortune.
    Thanks. I like to imagine PB is with me in spirit as I crack open the Ruinart, so in a sense we all get to share
  • I might vote Reform.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 955
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Liz Truss has correctly pointed out that this is a weakness in the UK media ecosystem. They have Joe Rogan and we have Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    "We need independent media. We need the Joe Rogans and Ben Shapiros of the UK."
    Well, she's the closest thing we have to Rogan's random walk nuttiness, and the niche is wide open for whenever she wishes to have a go - if she thinks that there's an audience of millions in the UK who prefer fruit loops over fruit cocktails.

    There's some appetite for it; Fortean Times still has a print circulation in 5 figures. She can put her studio in a blue pyramid.

    Joe Rogan's habit is to do things anyway, whilst accepting that he has no knowledge whatsoever of the subject. An ideal partner for Truss:

    While admitting that he has "zero understanding" of Canada's political system, Rogan opposed Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, calling him "a fucking dictator", and called Canada "communist" and "fucked". Rogan also said that he liked Trudeau prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.
    ...
    On September 1, 2021, Rogan tested positive for the (Covid) virus. Soon after, he released an online video reporting on the status of his condition and stating that he had begun a regimen including monoclonal antibodies, prednisone, azithromycin, NAD drip, a vitamin drip, as well as ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug that medical experts say is not an effective treatment for viruses such as COVID-19.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan

    I don't think I've had my photo today, so ... Joe Rogan:


    It infuriates me how the likes of Truss abuse the word 'independent'. They have no interest in the independence of the media, all they want is a media that reflects their own bias.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,839

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    They also flashed up 'introducing Billie Piper' but not 'as the doctor' so a little RTD fake out to annoy everyone
    He should have a full reset and have the interim Billie Piper demi doctor seek out Chris Eccleston
    Some of the Big Finish audio drama's would have made very good 'timelines'. But sadly, we're left with people vaguely running about and some iffy SFX.

    And I say this as someone who has watched The Web Planet more than once.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,841
    viewcode said:

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    I'm not angry, I'm just...weary. Ncuti's reign was far too short, nothing really made sense, and he was hyper all the time. The loose ends (Rogue? Susan?) were untidy, the supervillains were unnecessarily CGI, and the [redacted] is stunt casting. Grrr. Will rant further after you've all seen it.

    (Plus the entire plot was leaked many weeks ago, so this was not a surprise)

    (Plus he didn't do a swordfight once. NOT ONCE!)

    (Plus it was nice to see Jodie again)
    More plot holes than the mysterious case of the Swiss Cheese
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,531
    edited May 31
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Liz Truss has correctly pointed out that this is a weakness in the UK media ecosystem. They have Joe Rogan and we have Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    "We need independent media. We need the Joe Rogans and Ben Shapiros of the UK."
    Well, she's the closest thing we have to Rogan's random walk nuttiness, and the niche is wide open for whenever she wishes to have a go - if she thinks that there's an audience of millions in the UK who prefer fruit loops over fruit cocktails.

    There's some appetite for it, Fortean Times still has a print circulation in 5 figures. She can put her studio in a blue pyramid.

    Joe Rogan's habit is to do things anyway, whilst accepting that he has no knowledge whatsoever of the subject. An ideal partner for Truss:

    While admitting that he has "zero understanding" of Canada's political system, Rogan opposed Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, calling him "a fucking dictator", and called Canada "communist" and "fucked". Rogan also said that he liked Trudeau prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.
    ...
    On September 1, 2021, Rogan tested positive for the (Covid) virus. Soon after, he released an online video reporting on the status of his condition and stating that he had begun a regimen including monoclonal antibodies, prednisone, azithromycin, NAD drip, a vitamin drip, as well as ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug that medical experts say is not an effective treatment for viruses such as COVID-19.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan
    Rogan is incredibly clever and well informed. He’s the best paid and most listened podcaster in the world for a reason

    Recall he sometimes does these 3 hour interviews several times a week, for months on end. Yet he makes them all appear effortless

    The research behind the scenes must be intense and crazy
    Is there a segment you would recommend as an example of a good interview?

    I think his many published faux-pas, and his bizarre behaviour, are a bigly serious problem for him, and anyone who needs 3 hours to do an interview has a problem - but I'll give him a try.

    BTW I place no weight whatsoever on the circulation numbers.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,021
    Steaming along the coast of Islay just now. Low sun picking out the whitewashed distilleries strung out along the coast. Just gone past Caol Ila.
    The 40 yr old CalMac ferry chugging along just fine.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,841
    ohnotnow said:

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    They also flashed up 'introducing Billie Piper' but not 'as the doctor' so a little RTD fake out to annoy everyone
    He should have a full reset and have the interim Billie Piper demi doctor seek out Chris Eccleston
    Some of the Big Finish audio drama's would have made very good 'timelines'. But sadly, we're left with people vaguely running about and some iffy SFX.

    And I say this as someone who has watched The Web Planet more than once.
    They manage to get 2 of the worst 3 doctors together on screen utterly pointlessly too. Cameo for the sake of it with zero plot requirement or effect
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,839

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Liz Truss has correctly pointed out that this is a weakness in the UK media ecosystem. They have Joe Rogan and we have Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    "We need independent media. We need the Joe Rogans and Ben Shapiros of the UK."
    I'd 100% listen to a Liz Truss podcast. I think it would be breathtaking. In many senses. Even the first 30 minutes of each show as she tried to work the microphone and muttered about 'the blob' would be worth tuning in for.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,043
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Liz Truss has correctly pointed out that this is a weakness in the UK media ecosystem. They have Joe Rogan and we have Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    "We need independent media. We need the Joe Rogans and Ben Shapiros of the UK."
    Well, she's the closest thing we have to Rogan's random walk nuttiness, and the niche is wide open for whenever she wishes to have a go - if she thinks that there's an audience of millions in the UK who prefer fruit loops over fruit cocktails.

    There's some appetite for it; Fortean Times still has a print circulation in 5 figures. She can put her studio in a blue pyramid.

    Joe Rogan's habit is to do things anyway, whilst accepting that he has no knowledge whatsoever of the subject. An ideal partner for Truss:

    While admitting that he has "zero understanding" of Canada's political system, Rogan opposed Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, calling him "a fucking dictator", and called Canada "communist" and "fucked". Rogan also said that he liked Trudeau prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.
    ...
    On September 1, 2021, Rogan tested positive for the (Covid) virus. Soon after, he released an online video reporting on the status of his condition and stating that he had begun a regimen including monoclonal antibodies, prednisone, azithromycin, NAD drip, a vitamin drip, as well as ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug that medical experts say is not an effective treatment for viruses such as COVID-19.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan

    I don't think I've had my photo today, so ... Joe Rogan:


    Can’t let that pass - what are you implying about the readership of Fortean Times? I am a subscriber and a very sceptical one at that, but I have always been fascinated by the Fortean. I’m a child of the Haunted Generation and a childhood of mad government warnings, slightly weird/off TV shows etc and the more hopeful era before modern cameras everywhere (destroying my belief in the possibility of most Fortean things steadily). It’s certainly a magazine for cranks and weirdos.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,281
    It's from an Australian perspective, but as someone who is very much on the Left, and am in no way a Joe Rogan fan, I think this is a good article about him and why people listen to him:

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2025/jan/25/joe-rogan-popularity-australian-men-podcasts
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,043
    viewcode said:

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    I'm not angry, I'm just...weary. Ncuti's reign was far too short, nothing really made sense, and he was hyper all the time. The loose ends (Rogue? Susan?) were untidy, the supervillains were unnecessarily CGI, and the [redacted] is stunt casting. Grrr. Will rant further after you've all seen it.

    (Plus the entire plot was leaked many weeks ago, so this was not a surprise)

    (Plus he didn't do a swordfight once. NOT ONCE!)

    (Plus it was nice to see Jodie again)
    Ncuti probably the wrong choice for a long run - too much in demand.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,405
    edited May 31
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/m -walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Liz Truss has correctly pointed out that this is a weakness in the UK media ecosystem. They have Joe Rogan and we have Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    "We need independent media. We need the Joe Rogans and Ben Shapiros of the UK."
    Well, she's the closest thing we have to Rogan's random walk nuttiness, and the niche is wide open for whenever she wishes to have a go - if she thinks that there's an audience of millions in the UK who prefer fruit loops over fruit cocktails.

    There's some appetite for it, Fortean Times still has a print circulation in 5 figures. She can put her studio in a blue pyramid.

    Joe Rogan's habit is to do things anyway, whilst accepting that he has no knowledge whatsoever of the subject. An ideal partner for Truss:

    While admitting that he has "zero understanding" of Canada's political system, Rogan opposed Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, calling him "a fucking dictator", and called Canada "communist" and "fucked". Rogan also said that he liked Trudeau prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.
    ...
    On September 1, 2021, Rogan tested positive for the (Covid) virus. Soon after, he released an online video reporting on the status of his condition and stating that he had begun a regimen including monoclonal antibodies, prednisone, azithromycin, NAD drip, a vitamin drip, as well as ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug that medical experts say is not an effective treatment for viruses such as COVID-19.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan
    Rogan is incredibly clever and well informed. He’s the best paid and most listened podcaster in the world for a reason

    Recall he sometimes does these 3 hour interviews several times a week, for months on end. Yet he makes them all appear effortless

    The research behind the scenes must be intense and crazy
    Is there a segment you would recommend as an example of a good interview?
    God that’s difficult, there are so many

    The ones with Musk are good - eg the famous one where Musk and Rogan got stoned

    You got a sense of how remarkably smart Musk is, but also how tormented by his own Aspergery brain

    One of my favourites is the one with anti woke comedian Andrew Doyle. That chemistry was excellent

    They are by no means all good. Anything about wrestling or martial arts is deadly dull (for me). The vaccine shit is boring. Sometimes you sense Rogan really doesn’t care and it drags

    But when he’s properly interested in a guest and the guest has a lot to say on a profound topic it’s peerless
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,839

    ohnotnow said:

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    They also flashed up 'introducing Billie Piper' but not 'as the doctor' so a little RTD fake out to annoy everyone
    He should have a full reset and have the interim Billie Piper demi doctor seek out Chris Eccleston
    Some of the Big Finish audio drama's would have made very good 'timelines'. But sadly, we're left with people vaguely running about and some iffy SFX.

    And I say this as someone who has watched The Web Planet more than once.
    They manage to get 2 of the worst 3 doctors together on screen utterly pointlessly too. Cameo for the sake of it with zero plot requirement or effect
    I gave up on New-Who early in the Matt Smith era. I tried a Peter Capaldi episode and the writing was so bad I had to turn it off.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,307

    ohnotnow said:

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    They also flashed up 'introducing Billie Piper' but not 'as the doctor' so a little RTD fake out to annoy everyone
    He should have a full reset and have the interim Billie Piper demi doctor seek out Chris Eccleston
    Some of the Big Finish audio drama's would have made very good 'timelines'. But sadly, we're left with people vaguely running about and some iffy SFX.

    And I say this as someone who has watched The Web Planet more than once.
    They manage to get 2 of the worst 3 doctors together on screen utterly pointlessly too. Cameo for the sake of it with zero plot requirement or effect
    Modern Who doesn’t interest me much. Have only seen bits of Jodie and very little Ncuti. But I do like RTD. I think he is trying to create heat and light from the usual suspects so that he can blow them kisses
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,405

    I might vote Reform.

    This deserves some eerie fanfare of music. Quite a statement
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,841

    ohnotnow said:

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    They also flashed up 'introducing Billie Piper' but not 'as the doctor' so a little RTD fake out to annoy everyone
    He should have a full reset and have the interim Billie Piper demi doctor seek out Chris Eccleston
    Some of the Big Finish audio drama's would have made very good 'timelines'. But sadly, we're left with people vaguely running about and some iffy SFX.

    And I say this as someone who has watched The Web Planet more than once.
    They manage to get 2 of the worst 3 doctors together on screen utterly pointlessly too. Cameo for the sake of it with zero plot requirement or effect
    Modern Who doesn’t interest me much. Have only seen bits of Jodie and very little Ncuti. But I do like RTD. I think he is trying to create heat and light from the usual suspects so that he can blow them kisses
    He's better than Chibnall but then so would anyone be.
    He creates ridiculous deus ex machina solutions and then hits the big red magic reset button. It's so lazy.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,841
    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    They also flashed up 'introducing Billie Piper' but not 'as the doctor' so a little RTD fake out to annoy everyone
    He should have a full reset and have the interim Billie Piper demi doctor seek out Chris Eccleston
    Some of the Big Finish audio drama's would have made very good 'timelines'. But sadly, we're left with people vaguely running about and some iffy SFX.

    And I say this as someone who has watched The Web Planet more than once.
    They manage to get 2 of the worst 3 doctors together on screen utterly pointlessly too. Cameo for the sake of it with zero plot requirement or effect
    I gave up on New-Who early in the Matt Smith era. I tried a Peter Capaldi episode and the writing was so bad I had to turn it off.
    Capaldi's acting made it bearable just about but I only really enjoyed Eccleston and Smith.
    RTD is STILL running with his Last Of the Time Lords (except all the ones that show up and Susan and etc) bollocks.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,531
    Leon said:

    My god. Luxembourg is rich

    I’ve just noticed on my itinerary that on top of the exclusively 4 and 5 star hotels, with free lunches etc - I ALSO have a “daily allowance of €100 for food and alcohol”

    That’s every day on top of everything else

    That’s quite ridiculous. Enormous fun but insane

    That’s what happens I suppose when you have a GDP per capita of $130,000 but hardly any flint knapping travel hacks come visiting. You have plenty of budget to spare

    I've occasionally seen daily food/drink allowances in Conrad hotels, but I've no idea how really widespread they are these days.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,876
    Usotoki Rhetoric is a quite charming Japanese detective series I'm watching.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,722
    edited May 31

    viewcode said:

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    I'm not angry, I'm just...weary. Ncuti's reign was far too short, nothing really made sense, and he was hyper all the time. The loose ends (Rogue? Susan?) were untidy, the supervillains were unnecessarily CGI, and the [redacted] is stunt casting. Grrr. Will rant further after you've all seen it.

    (Plus the entire plot was leaked many weeks ago, so this was not a surprise)

    (Plus he didn't do a swordfight once. NOT ONCE!)

    (Plus it was nice to see Jodie again)
    Ncuti probably the wrong choice for a long run - too much in demand.
    He was cast in 2022. In the awld days he'd've had three years at 28 or 26 episodes a year. Now? 18 episodes in total. Even Christopher Eccleston had 13 and he was fired because of behind-the-scenes shenanigans. Now RTD is back and - yes - shenanigans again (Ruby was radically reduced due to workload and Belinda was inserted as a last-minute fill-in, which is why Belinda is so maternal to Poppy despite never having met her before). Oh, and stunt casting [redacted]. DAMN I AM ANNOYED.

    (stalks off in a huff)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,997

    Server Upgrade Incoming

    There may be some disruption; can I suggest using https://vf.politicalbetting.com over the next 30 minutes or so.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,839

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/tim-walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Liz Truss has correctly pointed out that this is a weakness in the UK media ecosystem. They have Joe Rogan and we have Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    "We need independent media. We need the Joe Rogans and Ben Shapiros of the UK."
    Well, she's the closest thing we have to Rogan's random walk nuttiness, and the niche is wide open for whenever she wishes to have a go - if she thinks that there's an audience of millions in the UK who prefer fruit loops over fruit cocktails.

    There's some appetite for it; Fortean Times still has a print circulation in 5 figures. She can put her studio in a blue pyramid.

    Joe Rogan's habit is to do things anyway, whilst accepting that he has no knowledge whatsoever of the subject. An ideal partner for Truss:

    While admitting that he has "zero understanding" of Canada's political system, Rogan opposed Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, calling him "a fucking dictator", and called Canada "communist" and "fucked". Rogan also said that he liked Trudeau prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.
    ...
    On September 1, 2021, Rogan tested positive for the (Covid) virus. Soon after, he released an online video reporting on the status of his condition and stating that he had begun a regimen including monoclonal antibodies, prednisone, azithromycin, NAD drip, a vitamin drip, as well as ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug that medical experts say is not an effective treatment for viruses such as COVID-19.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan

    I don't think I've had my photo today, so ... Joe Rogan:


    Can’t let that pass - what are you implying about the readership of Fortean Times? I am a subscriber and a very sceptical one at that, but I have always been fascinated by the Fortean. I’m a child of the Haunted Generation and a childhood of mad government warnings, slightly weird/off TV shows etc and the more hopeful era before modern cameras everywhere (destroying my belief in the possibility of most Fortean things steadily). It’s certainly a magazine for cranks and weirdos.
    I was recently-ish watching a 1972 documentary called 'Witches - New Fashion - Old Religion'. There are a lot of peculiar TV shows from the 70s. I remember quite a few 'Childrens' shows like Shadow of the Stone. The Owl Service, etc. Quite a few Dr.Who episodes of that era had a bit of a 'supernatural' plot going on too.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,103
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    LUXEMBOURG IS THE BEST DESTINATION ON EARTH

    If you're on expenses.
    Well, yes, but my God the expenses

    They are already housing and feeding me in fine style, I’ve got Moselle wine tastings and boutique chocolate experiences and all the rest - but chucking in an extra €100 a day for snacks and champagne simply as I wish, that’s right up there with Maldivian hospitality
    We celebrate your good fortune.
    Thanks. I like to imagine PB is with me in spirit as I crack open the Ruinart, so in a sense we all get to share
    No faredodging in Luxembourg!!
    Jenrick should take note.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,839

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    They also flashed up 'introducing Billie Piper' but not 'as the doctor' so a little RTD fake out to annoy everyone
    He should have a full reset and have the interim Billie Piper demi doctor seek out Chris Eccleston
    Some of the Big Finish audio drama's would have made very good 'timelines'. But sadly, we're left with people vaguely running about and some iffy SFX.

    And I say this as someone who has watched The Web Planet more than once.
    They manage to get 2 of the worst 3 doctors together on screen utterly pointlessly too. Cameo for the sake of it with zero plot requirement or effect
    I gave up on New-Who early in the Matt Smith era. I tried a Peter Capaldi episode and the writing was so bad I had to turn it off.
    Capaldi's acting made it bearable just about but I only really enjoyed Eccleston and Smith.
    RTD is STILL running with his Last Of the Time Lords (except all the ones that show up and Susan and etc) bollocks.
    If you enjoy radio/audio drama's - some of the Big Finish productions are pretty good. I quite enjoyed some of their 'alternate timeline' stuff from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_Unbound . Some of the Timelord episodes with Romana (Lalla Ward era-Romana - :: swoon ::) where she becomes..... I'll leave the spoilers out.... ;-)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,841
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    I'm not angry, I'm just...weary. Ncuti's reign was far too short, nothing really made sense, and he was hyper all the time. The loose ends (Rogue? Susan?) were untidy, the supervillains were unnecessarily CGI, and the [redacted] is stunt casting. Grrr. Will rant further after you've all seen it.

    (Plus the entire plot was leaked many weeks ago, so this was not a surprise)

    (Plus he didn't do a swordfight once. NOT ONCE!)

    (Plus it was nice to see Jodie again)
    Ncuti probably the wrong choice for a long run - too much in demand.
    He was cast in 2002. In the awld days he'd've had three years at 28 or 26 episodes a year. Now? 18 episodes in total. Even Christopher Eccleston had 13 and he was fired because of behind-the-scenes shenanigans. Now RTD is back and - yes - shenanigans again (Ruby was radically reduced due to workload and Belinda was inserted as a last-minute fill-in, which is why Belinda is so maternal to Poppy despite never having met her before). Oh, and stunt casting [redacted]. DAMN I AM ANNOYED.

    (stalks off in a huff)
    RTD and backstage shenanigans? Never!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,722
    edited May 31
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    I'm not angry, I'm just...weary. Ncuti's reign was far too short, nothing really made sense, and he was hyper all the time. The loose ends (Rogue? Susan?) were untidy, the supervillains were unnecessarily CGI, and the [redacted] is stunt casting. Grrr. Will rant further after you've all seen it.

    (Plus the entire plot was leaked many weeks ago, so this was not a surprise)

    (Plus he didn't do a swordfight once. NOT ONCE!)

    (Plus it was nice to see Jodie again)
    Ncuti probably the wrong choice for a long run - too much in demand.
    He was cast in 2022. In the awld days he'd've had three years at 28 or 26 episodes a year. Now? 18 episodes in total. Even Christopher Eccleston had 13 and he was fired because of behind-the-scenes shenanigans. Now RTD is back and - yes - shenanigans again (Ruby was radically reduced due to workload and Belinda was inserted as a last-minute fill-in, which is why Belinda is so maternal to Poppy despite never having met her before). Oh, and stunt casting [redacted]. DAMN I AM ANNOYED.

    (stalks off in a huff)
    (opens door)

    PLUS THE REGENERATION WAS THE EMERGENCY RESHOOTS IN FEBRUARY WHEN IT BECAME OBVIOUS DISNEY WAS PAUSING THE MONEY AND FILMING WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN IN 2025, FORCING NCUTI TO LEAVE!)

    (slams door!)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,941
    edited May 31
    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    We need Walden to interrogate Starmer on the source of his right-wing inclinations.

    "Pwime Minister, it has been alleged that your Irish advisor Morgan McSweeney is whispering things in your ear..."
    I'd pay to see it. SKS would be good, I think, going by his Desert Island Discs interview, but do we have a Walden? Surely we do. We're not that far gone.
    That Desert Island Discs is your equivalent of HYUFD's "Boris wins back x-amount of voters according to that one poll"
    Did you catch it? You should for balance. It's only fair. Eg I listened to all of Enoch's "rivers" speech the other day with my red wine and nuts before dinner.
    Like Sir Keir and his Father working in a factory, my Dad listened to it, so I know what it's like
    Ah so you haven't. I'll see if I can link it on some future thread one day.
    All Desert Island Discs are on Spotify, so I have it at my fingertips should I ever feel like listening. I caught him on a podcast I really like called Football Cliches; guests have to name their obscure and quirky, leftfield likes and dislikes of football - Sir Keir's likes were "football, celebrations and goals"

    As for Powell, like him or loathe him, every politico should watch his interview/war with David Frost, a veritable battle. It used to be on YouTube, alas no more. But I have the DVD... although no DVD player... I can't very well put it on for the boys in the car... young Enoch and Nigel are still at the Peppa Pig stage
    Nothing worse than straining to be quirky. A lot of what gets described as authentic is actually shallow self-indulgence. Eg Boris, Galloway, Rees Mogg, all this sort of "ooo look at me being myself" sort of nonsense.
    You are right there. But Sir Keir really missed the point of the show, and he was in very friendly company; they were willing him to be entertaining, alas he just couldn’t do it
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,841
    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    They also flashed up 'introducing Billie Piper' but not 'as the doctor' so a little RTD fake out to annoy everyone
    He should have a full reset and have the interim Billie Piper demi doctor seek out Chris Eccleston
    Some of the Big Finish audio drama's would have made very good 'timelines'. But sadly, we're left with people vaguely running about and some iffy SFX.

    And I say this as someone who has watched The Web Planet more than once.
    They manage to get 2 of the worst 3 doctors together on screen utterly pointlessly too. Cameo for the sake of it with zero plot requirement or effect
    I gave up on New-Who early in the Matt Smith era. I tried a Peter Capaldi episode and the writing was so bad I had to turn it off.
    Capaldi's acting made it bearable just about but I only really enjoyed Eccleston and Smith.
    RTD is STILL running with his Last Of the Time Lords (except all the ones that show up and Susan and etc) bollocks.
    If you enjoy radio/audio drama's - some of the Big Finish productions are pretty good. I quite enjoyed some of their 'alternate timeline' stuff from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_Unbound . Some of the Timelord episodes with Romana (Lalla Ward era-Romana - :: swoon ::) where she becomes..... I'll leave the spoilers out.... ;-)
    I've dipped into it so I know :smile:
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,184
    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I can report that despite Sir Keir Traitor’s bleatings, e-gates have not been opened for Brits in the EU. He’s gonna have a lot of disappointed British voters fuming at him on holibobs this summer. What an idiot

    I can however report that I am now in my…. HUNDREDTH COUNTRY. A lifetime goal achieved

    100 countries!!


    Yes ok it’s Luxembourg. So also possibly the most boring country on earth. But that’s kind of fitting

    Go everywhere, young man!

    But he said we were all excited by his prime negotiation win. This can't be right
    It’s such desperately crap basic retail politics. If you can’t deliver, don’t promise. Instead he promised and he hasn’t delivered

    He will hack off another million holidaying British voters this summer, for no reason at all other than that he is terrible at comms
    The structure of the deal is a mistake.

    Should have been

    - 3 years fishing rights
    - If, after that, e gates are implemented for less than x% of journeys, or less than x billion in orders from common European defence fund, then no extension.
    The Spectator is running a piece saying we might be excluded from the Defense Fund anyway, by the French

    So what did Starmer actually get for giving away TWELVE YEARS of fishing rights (when the French were terrified we’d play hardball)? He got absolutely nothing. He got empty promises that mean absolutely nothing (as we now see). He’s a fucking shrieking poo-faced moron and dangerously incompetent. Everything he touches turns to dreck
    I hate to break it to you but your hero Boris Johnson effectively negotiated a permanent fisheries agreement. While it could in principle lapse in 2026 so do other parts of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement, carefully chosen by the EU to be an unacceptably high cost for the UK, including energy trading.
    Then why did the EU insist we agree to extend it by 12 years when 5 years until the next re-negotiation would have done fine?
    We got no time limit on the agreement on food exports ,for one thing. There may be others:

    According to EU sources, access to British fishing waters will be granted until the end of June 2038, an extension of 12 years. But in return, the agreement on easier checks for food, animal and other agricultural products, known as sanitary and phytosanitary goods (SPS), will be indefinite.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/19/uk-eu-brexit-reset-talks-starmer-summit
    I know what we got - my point is, why did the EU want the twelve years, if what FF43 says above about things we want already being so strongly linked to fishing we would never quit.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,841
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    I'm not angry, I'm just...weary. Ncuti's reign was far too short, nothing really made sense, and he was hyper all the time. The loose ends (Rogue? Susan?) were untidy, the supervillains were unnecessarily CGI, and the [redacted] is stunt casting. Grrr. Will rant further after you've all seen it.

    (Plus the entire plot was leaked many weeks ago, so this was not a surprise)

    (Plus he didn't do a swordfight once. NOT ONCE!)

    (Plus it was nice to see Jodie again)
    Ncuti probably the wrong choice for a long run - too much in demand.
    He was cast in 2022. In the awld days he'd've had three years at 28 or 26 episodes a year. Now? 18 episodes in total. Even Christopher Eccleston had 13 and he was fired because of behind-the-scenes shenanigans. Now RTD is back and - yes - shenanigans again (Ruby was radically reduced due to workload and Belinda was inserted as a last-minute fill-in, which is why Belinda is so maternal to Poppy despite never having met her before). Oh, and stunt casting [redacted]. DAMN I AM ANNOYED.

    (stalks off in a huff)
    (opens door)

    PLUS THE REGENERATION WAS THE EMERGENCY RESHOOTS IN FEBRUARY WHEN IT BECAME OBVIOUS DISNEY WAS PAUSING THE MONEY AND FILMING WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN IN 2025, FORCING NCUTI TO LEAVE!)

    (slams door!)
    Lol!
    Next up RTD will be introducing Leftoso, the God of turning left at traffic lights. Another dangerous member of the pantheon of discord
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,997
    edited May 31
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/m -walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Liz Truss has correctly pointed out that this is a weakness in the UK media ecosystem. They have Joe Rogan and we have Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    "We need independent media. We need the Joe Rogans and Ben Shapiros of the UK."
    Well, she's the closest thing we have to Rogan's random walk nuttiness, and the niche is wide open for whenever she wishes to have a go - if she thinks that there's an audience of millions in the UK who prefer fruit loops over fruit cocktails.

    There's some appetite for it, Fortean Times still has a print circulation in 5 figures. She can put her studio in a blue pyramid.

    Joe Rogan's habit is to do things anyway, whilst accepting that he has no knowledge whatsoever of the subject. An ideal partner for Truss:

    While admitting that he has "zero understanding" of Canada's political system, Rogan opposed Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, calling him "a fucking dictator", and called Canada "communist" and "fucked". Rogan also said that he liked Trudeau prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.
    ...
    On September 1, 2021, Rogan tested positive for the (Covid) virus. Soon after, he released an online video reporting on the status of his condition and stating that he had begun a regimen including monoclonal antibodies, prednisone, azithromycin, NAD drip, a vitamin drip, as well as ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug that medical experts say is not an effective treatment for viruses such as COVID-19.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan
    Rogan is incredibly clever and well informed. He’s the best paid and most listened podcaster in the world for a reason

    Recall he sometimes does these 3 hour interviews several times a week, for months on end. Yet he makes them all appear effortless

    The research behind the scenes must be intense and crazy
    Is there a segment you would recommend as an example of a good interview?
    God that’s difficult, there are so many

    The ones with Musk are good - eg the famous one where Musk and Rogan got stoned

    You got a sense of how remarkably smart Musk is, but also how tormented by his own Aspergery brain

    One of my favourites is the one with anti woke comedian Andrew Doyle. That chemistry was excellent

    They are by no means all good. Anything about wrestling or martial arts is deadly dull (for me). The vaccine shit is boring. Sometimes you sense Rogan really doesn’t care and it drags

    But when he’s properly interested in a guest and the guest has a lot to say on a profound topic it’s peerless
    The problem with Rogan is the same as with almost every interviewer in the modern era: that is, he's in the business of generating content that his listeners agree with.

    And the Trump interview is a classic example of this. Trump says why he wants tariffs, and Rogan basically just accepts whatever Trump says as fact.

    Now, I agree that we've gone all "gotcha" with interviews in the UK.

    But there's at least one question that really should have been asked:

    "President Trump, you say that your tariff policy can eliminate the trade deficit, end income tax and bring manufacturing back to the US. But aren't those goals somewhat contradictory?

    To maximise revenues and replace income taxes would require the US to continue to import lots of things. While if we eliminate the trade deficit and bring manufacturing onshore, then how could we possibly raise enough money from tariffs to make a dent into the amount raised from income tax?"
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,184
    "SNP policy ‘kills’ £11m naval welding project on the Clyde"

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/snp-policy-kills-11m-naval-welding-project-on-the-clyde/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,500
    edited May 31
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/m -walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Liz Truss has correctly pointed out that this is a weakness in the UK media ecosystem. They have Joe Rogan and we have Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    "We need independent media. We need the Joe Rogans and Ben Shapiros of the UK."
    Well, she's the closest thing we have to Rogan's random walk nuttiness, and the niche is wide open for whenever she wishes to have a go - if she thinks that there's an audience of millions in the UK who prefer fruit loops over fruit cocktails.

    There's some appetite for it, Fortean Times still has a print circulation in 5 figures. She can put her studio in a blue pyramid.

    Joe Rogan's habit is to do things anyway, whilst accepting that he has no knowledge whatsoever of the subject. An ideal partner for Truss:

    While admitting that he has "zero understanding" of Canada's political system, Rogan opposed Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, calling him "a fucking dictator", and called Canada "communist" and "fucked". Rogan also said that he liked Trudeau prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.
    ...
    On September 1, 2021, Rogan tested positive for the (Covid) virus. Soon after, he released an online video reporting on the status of his condition and stating that he had begun a regimen including monoclonal antibodies, prednisone, azithromycin, NAD drip, a vitamin drip, as well as ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug that medical experts say is not an effective treatment for viruses such as COVID-19.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan
    Rogan is incredibly clever and well informed. He’s the best paid and most listened podcaster in the world for a reason

    Recall he sometimes does these 3 hour interviews several times a week, for months on end. Yet he makes them all appear effortless

    The research behind the scenes must be intense and crazy
    Is there a segment you would recommend as an example of a good interview?
    God that’s difficult, there are so many

    The ones with Musk are good - eg the famous one where Musk and Rogan got stoned

    You got a sense of how remarkably smart Musk is, but also how tormented by his own Aspergery brain

    One of my favourites is the one with anti woke comedian Andrew Doyle. That chemistry was excellent

    They are by no means all good. Anything about wrestling or martial arts is deadly dull (for me). The vaccine shit is boring. Sometimes you sense Rogan really doesn’t care and it drags

    But when he’s properly interested in a guest and the guest has a lot to say on a profound topic it’s peerless
    The problem with Rogan is the same as with almost every interviewer in the modern era: that is, he's in the business of generating content that his listeners agree with.

    And the Trump interview is a classic example of this. Trump says why he wants tariffs, and Rogan basically just accepts whatever Trump says as fact.

    Now, I agree that we've gone all "gotcha" with interviews in the UK.

    But there's at least one question that really should have been asked:

    "President Trump, you say that your tariff policy can eliminate the trade deficit, end income tax and bring manufacturing back to the US. But aren't those goals somewhat contradictory?

    To maximise revenues and replace income taxes would require the US to continue to import lots of things. While if we eliminate the trade deficit and bring manufacturing onshore, then how could we possibly raise enough money from tariffs to make a dent into the amount raised from income tax?"
    "President Trump, you say the direction the country is going in is unsustainable, but if we go in the opposite direction, won't it also become unsustainable eventually?"

    Maybe yes, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong to change direction.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,380

    Reports over 1,000 migrants crossed the channel today

    Starmer has a real problem here and Farage will make full use of it

    I see the French are also on a "go slow" again in stopping them.

    Which must mean they think it's time for a renegotiation again - cha-ching.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,798

    Steaming along the coast of Islay just now. Low sun picking out the whitewashed distilleries strung out along the coast. Just gone past Caol Ila.
    The 40 yr old CalMac ferry chugging along just fine.

    The MV Isle of Arran. The auld trooper! They should have thrown away the drawings for newer ships and just built more Isle of Arrans.

    Off the coast of Islay beats inside a bar in Luxembourg, even on expenses.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,997

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Lettuce is on tour in freedom-loving Hungary:

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    People used to flee Eastern Europe to Britain for freedom.
    Now in 2025, I went to @CPACHungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    There's dozens more paragraphs of tweet bilge if you can face it.

    It's just so brainless and tacky now, our politics. I'm sick of it. Can't we go back to how it was? Like, tomorrow is Sunday. Everybody's free. So there ought to be a serious lengthy interview on tv of a leading politician. All this social media shit is no substitute for that. It looks like more democracy but it means less.
    But these things do exist, you’re just too “Guardian and BBC for me!” To realise

    It’s called the long form podcast

    Three hours with Joe Rogan examines a politician much more intensely than any 40 minutes with Brian Walden in the 1970s

    There is no hiding in 3 hours. Even if the questions are generally soft (and they are not always, with Rogan, he’s very good at sliding in some tricky stuff amid the banter) your persona is revealed

    Trump did Rogan. Kamala Harris refused - and it’s one of the reasons she lost. She bottled it
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/m -walz-kamala-harris-joe-rogan-podcast/82550633007/

    The success of the long form podcast shows there is a real hunger for highly detailed and forensic politics (and detailed science, history, football, astrology, quantum sexodynamics, whatever). It’s one of the more encouraging signs of the times. People DO want seriousness
    Liz Truss has correctly pointed out that this is a weakness in the UK media ecosystem. They have Joe Rogan and we have Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart.

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/1928760108290298214

    "We need independent media. We need the Joe Rogans and Ben Shapiros of the UK."
    Well, she's the closest thing we have to Rogan's random walk nuttiness, and the niche is wide open for whenever she wishes to have a go - if she thinks that there's an audience of millions in the UK who prefer fruit loops over fruit cocktails.

    There's some appetite for it, Fortean Times still has a print circulation in 5 figures. She can put her studio in a blue pyramid.

    Joe Rogan's habit is to do things anyway, whilst accepting that he has no knowledge whatsoever of the subject. An ideal partner for Truss:

    While admitting that he has "zero understanding" of Canada's political system, Rogan opposed Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, calling him "a fucking dictator", and called Canada "communist" and "fucked". Rogan also said that he liked Trudeau prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.
    ...
    On September 1, 2021, Rogan tested positive for the (Covid) virus. Soon after, he released an online video reporting on the status of his condition and stating that he had begun a regimen including monoclonal antibodies, prednisone, azithromycin, NAD drip, a vitamin drip, as well as ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug that medical experts say is not an effective treatment for viruses such as COVID-19.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan
    Rogan is incredibly clever and well informed. He’s the best paid and most listened podcaster in the world for a reason

    Recall he sometimes does these 3 hour interviews several times a week, for months on end. Yet he makes them all appear effortless

    The research behind the scenes must be intense and crazy
    Is there a segment you would recommend as an example of a good interview?
    God that’s difficult, there are so many

    The ones with Musk are good - eg the famous one where Musk and Rogan got stoned

    You got a sense of how remarkably smart Musk is, but also how tormented by his own Aspergery brain

    One of my favourites is the one with anti woke comedian Andrew Doyle. That chemistry was excellent

    They are by no means all good. Anything about wrestling or martial arts is deadly dull (for me). The vaccine shit is boring. Sometimes you sense Rogan really doesn’t care and it drags

    But when he’s properly interested in a guest and the guest has a lot to say on a profound topic it’s peerless
    The problem with Rogan is the same as with almost every interviewer in the modern era: that is, he's in the business of generating content that his listeners agree with.

    And the Trump interview is a classic example of this. Trump says why he wants tariffs, and Rogan basically just accepts whatever Trump says as fact.

    Now, I agree that we've gone all "gotcha" with interviews in the UK.

    But there's at least one question that really should have been asked:

    "President Trump, you say that your tariff policy can eliminate the trade deficit, end income tax and bring manufacturing back to the US. But aren't those goals somewhat contradictory?

    To maximise revenues and replace income taxes would require the US to continue to import lots of things. While if we eliminate the trade deficit and bring manufacturing onshore, then how could we possibly raise enough money from tariffs to make a dent into the amount raised from income tax?"
    "Mr Trump, you say the direction the country is going in is unsustainable, but if we go in the opposite direction, won't it also become unsustainable eventually?"

    Maybe yes, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong to change direction.
    I don't understand how that relates to my comment.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,082
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    The new Doctor Who is going to wind people up even more than the last one lol

    Given its now on extended hiatus the rage will pass
    Awaiting Disney to pay out before they set the budget. Doubt they will leave it off air for long.
    I'm not angry, I'm just...weary. Ncuti's reign was far too short, nothing really made sense, and he was hyper all the time. The loose ends (Rogue? Susan?) were untidy, the supervillains were unnecessarily CGI, and the [redacted] is stunt casting. Grrr. Will rant further after you've all seen it.

    (Plus the entire plot was leaked many weeks ago, so this was not a surprise)

    (Plus he didn't do a swordfight once. NOT ONCE!)

    (Plus it was nice to see Jodie again)
    Ncuti probably the wrong choice for a long run - too much in demand.
    He was cast in 2022. In the awld days he'd've had three years at 28 or 26 episodes a year. Now? 18 episodes in total. Even Christopher Eccleston had 13 and he was fired because of behind-the-scenes shenanigans. Now RTD is back and - yes - shenanigans again (Ruby was radically reduced due to workload and Belinda was inserted as a last-minute fill-in, which is why Belinda is so maternal to Poppy despite never having met her before). Oh, and stunt casting [redacted]. DAMN I AM ANNOYED.

    (stalks off in a huff)
    (opens door)

    PLUS THE REGENERATION WAS THE EMERGENCY RESHOOTS IN FEBRUARY WHEN IT BECAME OBVIOUS DISNEY WAS PAUSING THE MONEY AND FILMING WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN IN 2025, FORCING NCUTI TO LEAVE!)


    (slams door!)
    You probably didn’t like the weeping angels either
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