You should probably include flats too, because they are places for people to live in.
Not really, because the overwhelming majority of the country does not want to live in flats, they want to live in houses.
And houses has not kept up with population.
With all due respect, that's a excessively broad generalisation. Even if only 10% of the population wanted to live in flats (and I am someone who much rather live in a central flat than a suburban house), it would still be relevant for the housing stats.
If there's latent demand for houses then building flats won't decrease house prices. It would reduce flat prices, but the price of houses would be pretty much unchanged if you have lots of people living in flats wanting to move to a house (as does seem to be the case).
I don't think that's true because houses and flats are complimentary products. Demand is not identical, but they will both influence each other. So you might prefer a house, but if a flat is available for (say) I've quarter of the price, then you'll choose the flat and pocket the difference.
It's like butter and margarine: I much prefer butter, but I'm not completely price insensitive: if butter cost 10x margarine, I'd probably eat more margarine and less butter.
True. However, back in the dawn of pb, when I was considering somewhere to live, I remember thinking: "I am young and childless - perhaps there is no value in me having a house: perhaps it would be more efficient to have a flat" - and being massively taken aback by the price of flats: essentially it appeared you were paying more for a flat than you were for a house in the same location with about the same internal area. Essentially you were paying for more neighbours and no garden. Flats ought to be a more cost-effective solution, but - back in 2005 in Nottingham, at least - were definitely not.
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
I expect that a combination of rises in the number of households (driven by population and demographic change), falling real interest rates and household income / general inflation probably explains 100% of house price moves since the 1990s.
I think you also need to include the impact of stamp duty in discouraging trading down (which is why we have a record number of empty bedrooms at the same time as housing shortages). One also shouldn't underestimate one particular part of demographic changes: that of people living alone for reasons other than being widowed. Back in 1980, single households under 60 were something like 2% of households - now they're 10x that.
Council Tax is quite regressive too. There isn't much to be saved by downsizing.
You should probably include flats too, because they are places for people to live in.
Not really, because the overwhelming majority of the country does not want to live in flats, they want to live in houses.
And houses has not kept up with population.
What's interesting about that is the HPI for flats has kept pace with that for detached houses over that period. Given that data suggests many more flats than houses were built, it looks like demand for flats was significantly higher.
Or that people who would previously have been able to get a house have had to get a flat instead as that's all they could afford.
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except without the immigrant labour, the houses and flats wouldn't have been built and we'd be in the same situation.
I expect that a combination of rises in the number of households (driven by population and demographic change), falling real interest rates and household income / general inflation probably explains 100% of house price moves since the 1990s.
I think you also need to include the impact of stamp duty in discouraging trading down (which is why we have a record number of empty bedrooms at the same time as housing shortages). One also shouldn't underestimate one particular part of demographic changes: that of people living alone for reasons other than being widowed. Back in 1980, single households under 60 were something like 2% of households - now they're 10x that.
Yes if we went back to Ireland pre 1995 laws ie where divorce was illegal, while increasing child benefit and marriage tax allowance then the number of single households would likely collapse.
Not that the former will happen here
Often in Ireland before divorce was legalised, if a marriage broke down either the husband or the wife would move to Britain (or further abroad) to escape the relationship. They wouldn't simply sit there and endure.
That was one of the reasons the ban on divorce was ended. It was pointless.
I think Brian Lara's test record score might be under threat from Ben Duckett.
It's only a four-day test. They're supposed to bowl 98 overs today, but only managed 25 before lunch.
There's not enough time for Duckett to threaten a record score.
I don't think it will happen but time isn't the issue you think. I'd expect (and they will too) that England will only bat once, and may bat into tomorrow too. 400 would need about 3 and half sessions at the current rate.
Never been able to put my finger on why, but his voice and manner grate.
I am not surprised by this. I have a theory that our political views are correlated with our sensory tastes and a whole bunch of seemingly unrelated behavioural traits. The discussion about hand luggage vs checked luggage yesterday was an example - it was a 100% correlation between checked luggage and right of centre opinions. Why? Someone should do a study.
Louis is, regardless of what he actually says or does, liberal-coded. The way he looks, his BMI, his clothes and hairdo, his vocal style. Like, for example, Simon Schama or Rick Stein. Whereas Adrian Chiles, say, or Gordon Ramsey, are conservative coded, again regardless of actual beliefs.
Population is not the only factor. Real-term house prices have more than doubled since the 1970s because the increased number of dual-income mortgages means prices are bid upwards. This is one reason the ERM crisis hit so many so badly – rocketing interest rates meant no-one could afford mortgages so prices fell, which led to ‘negative equity’ as sellers now owed more than their houses were worth.
I think Brian Lara's test record score might be under threat from Ben Duckett.
It's only a four-day test. They're supposed to bowl 98 overs today, but only managed 25 before lunch.
There's not enough time for Duckett to threaten a record score.
I don't think it will happen but time isn't the issue you think. I'd expect (and they will too) that England will only bat once, and may bat into tomorrow too. 400 would need about 3 and half sessions at the current rate.
Given England's track record with breaking fast bowlers I'd be wary of them enforcing the follow-on. Declare the first innings early and plan to bat again to give the bowlers a rest would be my advice.
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
I think Brian Lara's test record score might be under threat from Ben Duckett.
It's only a four-day test. They're supposed to bowl 98 overs today, but only managed 25 before lunch.
There's not enough time for Duckett to threaten a record score.
I don't think it will happen but time isn't the issue you think. I'd expect (and they will too) that England will only bat once, and may bat into tomorrow too. 400 would need about 3 and half sessions at the current rate.
Let's start with highest opening partnership (415) and go from there........
I think Brian Lara's test record score might be under threat from Ben Duckett.
It's only a four-day test. They're supposed to bowl 98 overs today, but only managed 25 before lunch.
There's not enough time for Duckett to threaten a record score.
I don't think it will happen but time isn't the issue you think. I'd expect (and they will too) that England will only bat once, and may bat into tomorrow too. 400 would need about 3 and half sessions at the current rate.
Given England's track record with breaking fast bowlers I'd be wary of them enforcing the follow-on. Declare the first innings early and plan to bat again to give the bowlers a rest would be my advice.
Without getting ahead of ourselves that rather depends on whether you've bowled them out in 30 overs or 80. Besides we may collapse at some point and it becomes moot.
I think Brian Lara's test record score might be under threat from Ben Duckett.
It's only a four-day test. They're supposed to bowl 98 overs today, but only managed 25 before lunch.
There's not enough time for Duckett to threaten a record score.
Can we get serious for a nanosecond?
Zimbabwe? Tenth and bottom in the Test rankings - it's the equivalent of getting Man City or Liverpool to play a team from the Isthmian League. It shouldn't be a match or a competition - it should be a demolition job.
If we aren't beating them by an innings and 200+ we should be asking questions.
Fortunately, we have some proper matches against India (ranked fourth) to enjoy in the summer.
On the Observer article on the centre right yes, the radical right has won white working class voters resentful of the managerial and professional class (with billionaires bankrolling populists to push AI to replace administrators). While managerial and professional class who largely used to vote centre right now votes for liberals like Macron and his party in France, Carney and his party in Canada, the LDs here and the Teals in Australia.
Of course the centre left has also been hit by loss of their white working class vote to the radical right, see the SPD to AfD, the French Socialists to Le Pen, Labour to Reform and US Democrats to Trump. Though Albanese bucked the trend by winning back bluecollar swing voters in Australia and holding his progressive middle class core vote for Labor too.
Increasingly therefore in the developed world the battle is now a cultural one between globalist liberals and populists nationalists rather than an economic one between socialists and capitalist conservatives as in the 20th century and the centre right has got squeezed.
There are some leaders bucking the trend though, Merz has won most seats in Germany as a competent centre right leader, albeit needing a deal with the SPD to govern and in NZ a technical former CEO is PM and leader of a centre right led government and in Ireland FF and FG put aside their differences to keep out SF.
Otherwise the centre right is out of power in most developed nations or in government with the radical right, as in Italy and Sweden and the Netherlands or has been effectively taken over by the radical right as Trump has taken over the US Republicans.
I expect that a combination of rises in the number of households (driven by population and demographic change), falling real interest rates and household income / general inflation probably explains 100% of house price moves since the 1990s.
I think you also need to include the impact of stamp duty in discouraging trading down (which is why we have a record number of empty bedrooms at the same time as housing shortages). One also shouldn't underestimate one particular part of demographic changes: that of people living alone for reasons other than being widowed. Back in 1980, single households under 60 were something like 2% of households - now they're 10x that.
Yes if we went back to Ireland pre 1995 laws ie where divorce was illegal, while increasing child benefit and marriage tax allowance then the number of single households would likely collapse.
Not that the former will happen here
Often in Ireland before divorce was legalised, if a marriage broke down either the husband or the wife would move to Britain (or further abroad) to escape the relationship. They wouldn't simply sit there and endure.
That was one of the reasons the ban on divorce was ended. It was pointless.
So still reducing pressure for new homes in Ireland
Never been able to put my finger on why, but his voice and manner grate.
I am not surprised by this. I have a theory that our political views are correlated with our sensory tastes and a whole bunch of seemingly unrelated behavioural traits. The discussion about hand luggage vs checked luggage yesterday was an example - it was a 100% correlation between checked luggage and right of centre opinions. Why? Someone should do a study.
Louis is, regardless of what he actually says or does, liberal-coded. The way he looks, his BMI, his clothes and hairdo, his vocal style. Like, for example, Simon Schama or Rick Stein. Whereas Adrian Chiles, say, or Gordon Ramsey, are conservative coded, again regardless of actual beliefs.
I agree about Louis Theroux being liberal coded. Though I prefer Rick Stein to Gordon Ramsey and have no view on Simon Schama or Adrian Chiles. I'm dubious about checked luggage, mind. I'm not a big packer personally, but I'm travelling with females; and I'm also rarely going anywhere for less than a week, and there is no way you can fit all that stuff in the tiny bag that Ryanair allows you.
I think Brian Lara's test record score might be under threat from Ben Duckett.
It's only a four-day test. They're supposed to bowl 98 overs today, but only managed 25 before lunch.
There's not enough time for Duckett to threaten a record score.
What kind of bellend administrators schedule a four day test in May?
Are they not familiar with the English weather?
Bell ends who think Zimbabwe aren't up to a five day test. They are probably right. Plus how many tests in England last the full 5 days nowadays?
Ireland last year was a four day test too.
Zim are not up to a five day test but need exposure and game time. They have 11 tests this year. More for many a year going back to when all the white guys left to pursue county cricket contracts.
I think Brian Lara's test record score might be under threat from Ben Duckett.
It's only a four-day test. They're supposed to bowl 98 overs today, but only managed 25 before lunch.
There's not enough time for Duckett to threaten a record score.
Can we get serious for a nanosecond?
Zimbabwe? Tenth and bottom in the Test rankings - it's the equivalent of getting Man City or Liverpool to play a team from the Isthmian League. It shouldn't be a match or a competition - it should be a demolition job.
If we aren't beating them by an innings and 200+ we should be asking questions.
Fortunately, we have some proper matches against India (ranked fourth) to enjoy in the summer.
I think Brian Lara's test record score might be under threat from Ben Duckett.
It's only a four-day test. They're supposed to bowl 98 overs today, but only managed 25 before lunch.
There's not enough time for Duckett to threaten a record score.
Can we get serious for a nanosecond?
Zimbabwe? Tenth and bottom in the Test rankings - it's the equivalent of getting Man City or Liverpool to play a team from the Isthmian League. It shouldn't be a match or a competition - it should be a demolition job.
If we aren't beating them by an innings and 200+ we should be asking questions.
Fortunately, we have some proper matches against India (ranked fourth) to enjoy in the summer.
What's that got to do with Duckett scoring a Test record batting score?
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except without the immigrant labour, the houses and flats wouldn't have been built and we'd be in the same situation.
Most construction workers even now are not foreign and with no immigration at all our falling fertility rate would start to have cut demand anyway
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
I really hope that you are not indicating that my son is not in same way inferior because his mother is an immigrant...
I think Brian Lara's test record score might be under threat from Ben Duckett.
It's only a four-day test. They're supposed to bowl 98 overs today, but only managed 25 before lunch.
There's not enough time for Duckett to threaten a record score.
What kind of bellend administrators schedule a four day test in May?
Are they not familiar with the English weather?
Bell ends who think Zimbabwe aren't up to a five day test. They are probably right. Plus how many tests in England last the full 5 days nowadays?
Ireland last year was a four day test too.
Zim are not up to a five day test but need exposure and game time. They have 11 tests this year. More for many a year going back to when all the white guys left to pursue county cricket contracts.
I'm fully supportive of England playing the minnows at test cricket. It's the only way for them to become not-minnows. What's the state of Zimbabwe now (the country, not the cricket team)? Is there any reason to be hopeful of its future or is it still languishing in the nadir that Mugabe brought it down to?
I think Brian Lara's test record score might be under threat from Ben Duckett.
FFS
I am just making sure my magic still works so I can curse India and Australia this year, both of whom are going to complete whitewashes against England.
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
What about his father?
Don't start that rumour again. Oh, hold on, you meant Charles's father, not Andrew's or Harry's. As you were.
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
I am not surprised by this. I have a theory that our political views are correlated with our sensory tastes and a whole bunch of seemingly unrelated behavioural traits. The discussion about hand luggage vs checked luggage yesterday was an example - it was a 100% correlation between checked luggage and right of centre opinions. Why? Someone should do a study.
Louis is, regardless of what he actually says or does, liberal-coded. The way he looks, his BMI, his clothes and hairdo, his vocal style. Like, for example, Simon Schama or Rick Stein. Whereas Adrian Chiles, say, or Gordon Ramsey, are conservative coded, again regardless of actual beliefs.
If Adrian Chiles is conservative coded, well Lord help the Conservatives is all I can say. Haven't they suffered enough? He's the archetype of an energy vampire
Never been able to put my finger on why, but his voice and manner grate.
I am not surprised by this. I have a theory that our political views are correlated with our sensory tastes and a whole bunch of seemingly unrelated behavioural traits. The discussion about hand luggage vs checked luggage yesterday was an example - it was a 100% correlation between checked luggage and right of centre opinions. Why? Someone should do a study.
Louis is, regardless of what he actually says or does, liberal-coded. The way he looks, his BMI, his clothes and hairdo, his vocal style. Like, for example, Simon Schama or Rick Stein. Whereas Adrian Chiles, say, or Gordon Ramsey, are conservative coded, again regardless of actual beliefs.
I missed that discussion yesterday. What were the main points/conclusions? (Checked/hand luggage).
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
'I demand another palace for my rellies' in some cases.
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
I really hope that you are not indicating that my son is not in same way inferior because his mother is an immigrant...
Implying that you believe to be British is to be superior?
No debates on quality of opposition possible against Duckett's record breaking score now.
Moot point now but actually if you look at Lara's 400, it was on an absolute road of a wicket. WI 751/5 from 202 overs, a tired England bowled out for 285 in 99 overs and then 422/5 from 137 following on. Arguably a terrible pitch for test cricket.
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
Queen Elizabeth II was a fourth-generation immigrant. Three of her great grandparents (three of her father's grandparents) were born outside the UK.
I think Brian Lara's test record score might be under threat from Ben Duckett.
It's only a four-day test. They're supposed to bowl 98 overs today, but only managed 25 before lunch.
There's not enough time for Duckett to threaten a record score.
What kind of bellend administrators schedule a four day test in May?
Are they not familiar with the English weather?
Bell ends who think Zimbabwe aren't up to a five day test. They are probably right. Plus how many tests in England last the full 5 days nowadays?
Ireland last year was a four day test too.
Zim are not up to a five day test but need exposure and game time. They have 11 tests this year. More for many a year going back to when all the white guys left to pursue county cricket contracts.
I'm fully supportive of England playing the minnows at test cricket. It's the only way for them to become not-minnows. What's the state of Zimbabwe now (the country, not the cricket team)? Is there any reason to be hopeful of its future or is it still languishing in the nadir that Mugabe brought it down to?
Mugabe's successor Mnangagwa put in an application to re-join the Commonwealth back in 2018. Not sure how long it will take! They had an election in 2023 in which ZANU-PF "only" won 52% of the vote.
No debates on quality of opposition possible against Duckett's record breaking score now.
Moot point now but actually if you look at Lara's 400, it was on an absolute road of a wicket. WI 751/5 from 202 overs, a tired England bowled out for 285 in 99 overs and then 422/5 from 137 following on. Arguably a terrible pitch for test cricket.
Batting records aren't going to be set on rank turners !
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
Queen Elizabeth II was a fourth-generation immigrant. Three of her great grandparents (three of her father's grandparents) were born outside the UK.
So as I said the Queen herself was born in the UK and not an immigrant and her mother the Queen Mother was also born in the UK as was her father George VI
I think Brian Lara's test record score might be under threat from Ben Duckett.
It's only a four-day test. They're supposed to bowl 98 overs today, but only managed 25 before lunch.
There's not enough time for Duckett to threaten a record score.
What kind of bellend administrators schedule a four day test in May?
Are they not familiar with the English weather?
Bell ends who think Zimbabwe aren't up to a five day test. They are probably right. Plus how many tests in England last the full 5 days nowadays?
Ireland last year was a four day test too.
Zim are not up to a five day test but need exposure and game time. They have 11 tests this year. More for many a year going back to when all the white guys left to pursue county cricket contracts.
I'm fully supportive of England playing the minnows at test cricket. It's the only way for them to become not-minnows. What's the state of Zimbabwe now (the country, not the cricket team)? Is there any reason to be hopeful of its future or is it still languishing in the nadir that Mugabe brought it down to?
Not quite as dire as that but the man who brought down Mugabe, General Chiwenga who brought down Mugabe, is now daggers drawn with President Mnangagwa. So there is still instability and the opposition are as useless as ever.
The real power was always the military. The moment Mugabe went against them he was toast.
As Mugabe had chosen his wife as his successor, at the time, the guardian had an article about how the revolution was sexist !!
No mention of how Gucci Grace spent millions on luxuries when most Zimbabweans starved.
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
Queen Elizabeth II was a fourth-generation immigrant. Three of her great grandparents (three of her father's grandparents) were born outside the UK.
The distaff line is Scottish. They speak funny but don't count as foreign. Not till they win a referendum anyway.
No debates on quality of opposition possible against Duckett's record breaking score now.
Moot point now but actually if you look at Lara's 400, it was on an absolute road of a wicket. WI 751/5 from 202 overs, a tired England bowled out for 285 in 99 overs and then 422/5 from 137 following on. Arguably a terrible pitch for test cricket.
Batting records aren't going to be set on rank turners !
Clearly but the point I am making is why do we not apply the same crictique?
I am not surprised by this. I have a theory that our political views are correlated with our sensory tastes and a whole bunch of seemingly unrelated behavioural traits. The discussion about hand luggage vs checked luggage yesterday was an example - it was a 100% correlation between checked luggage and right of centre opinions. Why? Someone should do a study.
Louis is, regardless of what he actually says or does, liberal-coded. The way he looks, his BMI, his clothes and hairdo, his vocal style. Like, for example, Simon Schama or Rick Stein. Whereas Adrian Chiles, say, or Gordon Ramsey, are conservative coded, again regardless of actual beliefs.
If Adrian Chiles is conservative coded, well Lord help the Conservatives is all I can say. Haven't they suffered enough? He's the archetype of an energy vampire
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
Queen Elizabeth II was a fourth-generation immigrant. Three of her great grandparents (three of her father's grandparents) were born outside the UK.
So as I said the Queen herself was born in the UK and not an immigrant
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
Queen Elizabeth II was a fourth-generation immigrant. Three of her great grandparents (three of her father's grandparents) were born outside the UK.
Savrilege ! She was born from the soil of Berkshire, or Balmoral. Or perhaps She emerged from the waves, like a foaming Britannia-Aphrodite.
No debates on quality of opposition possible against Duckett's record breaking score now.
Moot point now but actually if you look at Lara's 400, it was on an absolute road of a wicket. WI 751/5 from 202 overs, a tired England bowled out for 285 in 99 overs and then 422/5 from 137 following on. Arguably a terrible pitch for test cricket.
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
I really hope that you are not indicating that my son is not in same way inferior because his mother is an immigrant...
He isn't as you were UK born but if both his parents weren't UK born inevitably that means he and his parents added to UK housing demand
Never been able to put my finger on why, but his voice and manner grate.
I am not surprised by this. I have a theory that our political views are correlated with our sensory tastes and a whole bunch of seemingly unrelated behavioural traits. The discussion about hand luggage vs checked luggage yesterday was an example - it was a 100% correlation between checked luggage and right of centre opinions. Why? Someone should do a study.
Louis is, regardless of what he actually says or does, liberal-coded. The way he looks, his BMI, his clothes and hairdo, his vocal style. Like, for example, Simon Schama or Rick Stein. Whereas Adrian Chiles, say, or Gordon Ramsey, are conservative coded, again regardless of actual beliefs.
Rod Liddle. Drooling, greasy haired, badly dressed nonce apologist and possessor of a caution for assaulting his pregnant girlfriend. Should be homeless under a bridge and drinking meths. Instead he's an author for the Spectator and earns way more than me. Bad man.
Never been able to put my finger on why, but his voice and manner grate.
I am not surprised by this. I have a theory that our political views are correlated with our sensory tastes and a whole bunch of seemingly unrelated behavioural traits. The discussion about hand luggage vs checked luggage yesterday was an example - it was a 100% correlation between checked luggage and right of centre opinions. Why? Someone should do a study.
Louis is, regardless of what he actually says or does, liberal-coded. The way he looks, his BMI, his clothes and hairdo, his vocal style. Like, for example, Simon Schama or Rick Stein. Whereas Adrian Chiles, say, or Gordon Ramsey, are conservative coded, again regardless of actual beliefs.
Rod Liddle. Drooling, greasy haired, badly dressed nonce apologist and possessor of a caution for assaulting his pregnant girlfriend. Should be homeless under a bridge and drinking meths. Instead he's an author for the Spectator and earns way more than me. Bad man.
Yes but Rod is explicitly right wing. I think TimS is making a more subtle point of things which rile left/right wingers without being explicitly left/right wing. Dare I suggest packet rice is right-coded?
I am not surprised by this. I have a theory that our political views are correlated with our sensory tastes and a whole bunch of seemingly unrelated behavioural traits. The discussion about hand luggage vs checked luggage yesterday was an example - it was a 100% correlation between checked luggage and right of centre opinions. Why? Someone should do a study.
Louis is, regardless of what he actually says or does, liberal-coded. The way he looks, his BMI, his clothes and hairdo, his vocal style. Like, for example, Simon Schama or Rick Stein. Whereas Adrian Chiles, say, or Gordon Ramsey, are conservative coded, again regardless of actual beliefs.
If Adrian Chiles is conservative coded, well Lord help the Conservatives is all I can say. Haven't they suffered enough? He's the archetype of an energy vampire
He does make a change on the radio though. Usually you get this kind of weird hyperfluent and 'up' way of talking from presenters on there which is supposed to be relatable but actually sounds like they're warding off a meltdown. With Chiles it's the opposite. You're never sure if he's going to complete a sentence or, if he does, when he'll start the next one. It's an unusual style.
Never been able to put my finger on why, but his voice and manner grate.
I am not surprised by this. I have a theory that our political views are correlated with our sensory tastes and a whole bunch of seemingly unrelated behavioural traits. The discussion about hand luggage vs checked luggage yesterday was an example - it was a 100% correlation between checked luggage and right of centre opinions. Why? Someone should do a study.
Louis is, regardless of what he actually says or does, liberal-coded. The way he looks, his BMI, his clothes and hairdo, his vocal style. Like, for example, Simon Schama or Rick Stein. Whereas Adrian Chiles, say, or Gordon Ramsey, are conservative coded, again regardless of actual beliefs.
Rod Liddle. Drooling, greasy haired, badly dressed nonce apologist and possessor of a caution for assaulting his pregnant girlfriend. Should be homeless under a bridge and drinking meths. Instead he's an author for the Spectator and earns way more than me. Bad man.
Is anyone who writes for the Spectator not a reprobate?
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
I really hope that you are not indicating that my son is not in same way inferior because his mother is an immigrant...
He isn't as you were UK born but if both his parents weren't UK born inevitably that means he and his parents added to UK housing demand
If he did have two foreign-born parents, and was an only child, and his parents had a 6-figure salary, why would that make him inferior to any of six children of two British-born WWC parents who are out of work? They are adding to the housing demand, after all...
Never been able to put my finger on why, but his voice and manner grate.
I am not surprised by this. I have a theory that our political views are correlated with our sensory tastes and a whole bunch of seemingly unrelated behavioural traits. The discussion about hand luggage vs checked luggage yesterday was an example - it was a 100% correlation between checked luggage and right of centre opinions. Why? Someone should do a study.
Louis is, regardless of what he actually says or does, liberal-coded. The way he looks, his BMI, his clothes and hairdo, his vocal style. Like, for example, Simon Schama or Rick Stein. Whereas Adrian Chiles, say, or Gordon Ramsey, are conservative coded, again regardless of actual beliefs.
Rod Liddle. Drooling, greasy haired, badly dressed nonce apologist and possessor of a caution for assaulting his pregnant girlfriend. Should be homeless under a bridge and drinking meths. Instead he's an author for the Spectator and earns way more than me. Bad man.
Yes but Rod is explicitly right wing. I think TimS is making a more subtle point of things which rile left/right wingers without being explicitly left/right wing. Dare I suggest packet rice is right-coded?
Packet rice feels left-coded. Super noodles however...
Never been able to put my finger on why, but his voice and manner grate.
I am not surprised by this. I have a theory that our political views are correlated with our sensory tastes and a whole bunch of seemingly unrelated behavioural traits. The discussion about hand luggage vs checked luggage yesterday was an example - it was a 100% correlation between checked luggage and right of centre opinions. Why? Someone should do a study.
Louis is, regardless of what he actually says or does, liberal-coded. The way he looks, his BMI, his clothes and hairdo, his vocal style. Like, for example, Simon Schama or Rick Stein. Whereas Adrian Chiles, say, or Gordon Ramsey, are conservative coded, again regardless of actual beliefs.
Rod Liddle. Drooling, greasy haired, badly dressed nonce apologist and possessor of a caution for assaulting his pregnant girlfriend. Should be homeless under a bridge and drinking meths. Instead he's an author for the Spectator and earns way more than me. Bad man.
Yes but Rod is explicitly right wing. I think TimS is making a more subtle point of things which rile left/right wingers without being explicitly left/right wing. Dare I suggest packet rice is right-coded?
Doesn't all rice come in packets? It's just a matter of what size.
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
I really hope that you are not indicating that my son is not in same way inferior because his mother is an immigrant...
Implying that you believe to be British is to be superior?
When are you going to stop asking stoopid questions?
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
I really hope that you are not indicating that my son is not in same way inferior because his mother is an immigrant...
Implying that you believe to be British is to be superior?
When are you going to stop asking stoopid questions?
It's a clear implication of what you are saying. Why does being less British make someone inferior in your mind?
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
I really hope that you are not indicating that my son is not in same way inferior because his mother is an immigrant...
He isn't as you were UK born but if both his parents weren't UK born inevitably that means he and his parents added to UK housing demand
I'm gay (no children) and my immigrant husband sold his place and moved in with me. Do I get some kind of medal for reducing UK housing demand?
Never been able to put my finger on why, but his voice and manner grate.
I am not surprised by this. I have a theory that our political views are correlated with our sensory tastes and a whole bunch of seemingly unrelated behavioural traits. The discussion about hand luggage vs checked luggage yesterday was an example - it was a 100% correlation between checked luggage and right of centre opinions. Why? Someone should do a study.
Louis is, regardless of what he actually says or does, liberal-coded. The way he looks, his BMI, his clothes and hairdo, his vocal style. Like, for example, Simon Schama or Rick Stein. Whereas Adrian Chiles, say, or Gordon Ramsey, are conservative coded, again regardless of actual beliefs.
Rod Liddle. Drooling, greasy haired, badly dressed nonce apologist and possessor of a caution for assaulting his pregnant girlfriend. Should be homeless under a bridge and drinking meths. Instead he's an author for the Spectator and earns way more than me. Bad man.
Is anyone who writes for the Spectator not a reprobate?
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
I really hope that you are not indicating that my son is not in same way inferior because his mother is an immigrant...
Implying that you believe to be British is to be superior?
When are you going to stop asking stoopid questions?
It's a clear implication of what you are saying. Why does being less British make someone inferior in your mind?
When are you going to stop asking stoopid questions?
On the Observer article on the centre right yes, the radical right has won white working class voters resentful of the managerial and professional class (with billionaires bankrolling populists to push AI to replace administrators). While managerial and professional class who largely used to vote centre right now votes for liberals like Macron and his party in France, Carney and his party in Canada, the LDs here and the Teals in Australia.
Of course the centre left has also been hit by loss of their white working class vote to the radical right, see the SPD to AfD, the French Socialists to Le Pen, Labour to Reform and US Democrats to Trump. Though Albanese bucked the trend by winning back bluecollar swing voters in Australia and holding his progressive middle class core vote for Labor too.
Increasingly therefore in the developed world the battle is now a cultural one between globalist liberals and populists nationalists rather than an economic one between socialists and capitalist conservatives as in the 20th century and the centre right has got squeezed.
There are some leaders bucking the trend though, Merz has won most seats in Germany as a competent centre right leader, albeit needing a deal with the SPD to govern and in NZ a technical former CEO is PM and leader of a centre right led government and in Ireland FF and FG put aside their differences to keep out SF.
Otherwise the centre right is out of power in most developed nations or in government with the radical right, as in Italy and Sweden and the Netherlands or has been effectively taken over by the radical right as Trump has taken over the US Republicans.
We are in for a tricky few years. Oligarchy vs Corporatism is unlikely to solve any of our problems. And once Reform are seen to be the utter charlatans that they clearly are, things are going to get ugly.
I’ve been trying a line on doorsteps recently. “You know everything is broken right? Nothing works. I’ll tell you what has gone wrong. All that money that used to make things work for normal people is being sucked out of the system and it’s lining the billionaires’ pockets.” Pause, they nod, continue . “We need to tax them or if we can’t do that we need to end the system that they are using against us”.
And at that point they laugh. Nobody ever sez, They earn that money and ending billionaires is wrong.
The billionaire funded populist corruption of western democracy may look like a nice little earner for them but I suspect it’s a longer term losing strategy.
That guy that murdered a pharma exec is gonna trend.
Personally I’d prefer Labour to grow a pair. It would be quicker and a lot less destructive of society.
Never been able to put my finger on why, but his voice and manner grate.
I am not surprised by this. I have a theory that our political views are correlated with our sensory tastes and a whole bunch of seemingly unrelated behavioural traits. The discussion about hand luggage vs checked luggage yesterday was an example - it was a 100% correlation between checked luggage and right of centre opinions. Why? Someone should do a study.
Louis is, regardless of what he actually says or does, liberal-coded. The way he looks, his BMI, his clothes and hairdo, his vocal style. Like, for example, Simon Schama or Rick Stein. Whereas Adrian Chiles, say, or Gordon Ramsey, are conservative coded, again regardless of actual beliefs.
Rod Liddle. Drooling, greasy haired, badly dressed nonce apologist and possessor of a caution for assaulting his pregnant girlfriend. Should be homeless under a bridge and drinking meths. Instead he's an author for the Spectator and earns way more than me. Bad man.
I used to argue with him BTL of his column. He once lost his rag completely and said I was a "shit mountain".
Can't believe they've actually signed this Chagos deal.
I can. It's Labour/Starmer, frigteningly they are capable of much much worse
Surely not as bad as Johnson and Truss were capable of. Starmer hasn't yet made his brother a Lord, or ruined the bond markets, for example.
He doesn't get a pass to be dreadful on the back of there being prior awfulness. Truss' damage was very time limited of course, Starmers will linger long into the future.
Can't believe they've actually signed this Chagos deal.
I can. It's Labour/Starmer, frigteningly they are capable of much much worse
Surely not as bad as Johnson and Truss were capable of. Starmer hasn't yet made his brother a Lord, or ruined the bond markets, for example.
He doesn't get a pass to be dreadful on the back of there being prior awfulness. Truss' damage was very time limited of course, Starmers will linger long into the future.
Well, we shall sea-seashell. It's too early to say, I think.
Never been able to put my finger on why, but his voice and manner grate.
I am not surprised by this. I have a theory that our political views are correlated with our sensory tastes and a whole bunch of seemingly unrelated behavioural traits. The discussion about hand luggage vs checked luggage yesterday was an example - it was a 100% correlation between checked luggage and right of centre opinions. Why? Someone should do a study.
Louis is, regardless of what he actually says or does, liberal-coded. The way he looks, his BMI, his clothes and hairdo, his vocal style. Like, for example, Simon Schama or Rick Stein. Whereas Adrian Chiles, say, or Gordon Ramsey, are conservative coded, again regardless of actual beliefs.
Rod Liddle. Drooling, greasy haired, badly dressed nonce apologist and possessor of a caution for assaulting his pregnant girlfriend. Should be homeless under a bridge and drinking meths. Instead he's an author for the Spectator and earns way more than me. Bad man.
Yes but Rod is explicitly right wing. I think TimS is making a more subtle point of things which rile left/right wingers without being explicitly left/right wing. Dare I suggest packet rice is right-coded?
Oh I know. I just wanted to take the opportunity to kick Liddle. It's not a desire so much a duty, which I try to discharge.
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
I really hope that you are not indicating that my son is not in same way inferior because his mother is an immigrant...
He isn't as you were UK born but if both his parents weren't UK born inevitably that means he and his parents added to UK housing demand
If he did have two foreign-born parents, and was an only child, and his parents had a 6-figure salary, why would that make him inferior to any of six children of two British-born WWC parents who are out of work? They are adding to the housing demand, after all...
Who is more inferior in your 'mind' ?
Nothing to do with inferiority but if you have more immigrants and children born to 2 immigrants regardless of salary that adds to housing demand for the British born, regardless of the social class of the latter as it also increases demand for more expensive homes but especially for those who are poorer and can only afford cheaper homes and rents
Demand mainly driven by rising immigration then, without that the below replacement UK fertility rate means we would have had more than enough houses to meet demand
Except for 2020 births exceeded deaths every year in that period.
Because of immigrant births, now UK deaths outnumber births
Are you suggesting that children of immigrants are not UK births?
Presumably you include the King...
The King's mother was certainly not a newly arrived immigrant but yes UK born births of immigrants are still UK births but also still add to housing demand
I really hope that you are not indicating that my son is not in same way inferior because his mother is an immigrant...
He isn't as you were UK born but if both his parents weren't UK born inevitably that means he and his parents added to UK housing demand
If he did have two foreign-born parents, and was an only child, and his parents had a 6-figure salary, why would that make him inferior to any of six children of two British-born WWC parents who are out of work? They are adding to the housing demand, after all...
Who is more inferior in your 'mind' ?
Nothing to do with inferiority but if you have more immigrants and children born to 2 immigrants regardless of salary that adds to housing demand for the British born, regardless of the social class of the latter as it also increases demand for more expensive homes but especially for those who are poorer and can only afford cheaper homes and rents
So not much different from British born WWC who have more children, regardless of salary, class. or any other excuse you insert.
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However, back in the dawn of pb, when I was considering somewhere to live, I remember thinking: "I am young and childless - perhaps there is no value in me having a house: perhaps it would be more efficient to have a flat" - and being massively taken aback by the price of flats: essentially it appeared you were paying more for a flat than you were for a house in the same location with about the same internal area. Essentially you were paying for more neighbours and no garden.
Flats ought to be a more cost-effective solution, but - back in 2005 in Nottingham, at least - were definitely not.
There's not enough time for Duckett to threaten a record score.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0ezy14rj8o
Presumably you include the King...
That was one of the reasons the ban on divorce was ended. It was pointless.
Louis is, regardless of what he actually says or does, liberal-coded. The way he looks, his BMI, his clothes and hairdo, his vocal style. Like, for example, Simon Schama or Rick Stein. Whereas Adrian Chiles, say, or Gordon Ramsey, are conservative coded, again regardless of actual beliefs.
Are they not familiar with the English weather?
Don’t worry Angela Rayner, the posh persons fetishised ideal of the working class Everyman, has a plan to tax dividends or some other such guff.
What could go wrong.
Zimbabwe? Tenth and bottom in the Test rankings - it's the equivalent of getting Man City or Liverpool to play a team from the Isthmian League. It shouldn't be a match or a competition - it should be a demolition job.
If we aren't beating them by an innings and 200+ we should be asking questions.
Fortunately, we have some proper matches against India (ranked fourth) to enjoy in the summer.
Of course the centre left has also been hit by loss of their white working class vote to the radical right, see the SPD to AfD, the French Socialists to Le Pen, Labour to Reform and US Democrats to Trump. Though Albanese bucked the trend by winning back bluecollar swing voters in Australia and holding his progressive middle class core vote for Labor too.
Increasingly therefore in the developed world the battle is now a cultural one between globalist liberals and populists nationalists rather than an economic one between socialists and capitalist conservatives as in the 20th century and the centre right has got squeezed.
There are some leaders bucking the trend though, Merz has won most seats in Germany as a competent centre right leader, albeit needing a deal with the SPD to govern and in NZ a technical former CEO is PM and leader of a centre right led government and in Ireland FF and FG put aside their differences to keep out SF.
Otherwise the centre right is out of power in most developed nations or in government with the radical right, as in Italy and Sweden and the Netherlands or has been effectively taken over by the radical right as Trump has taken over the US Republicans.
I'm dubious about checked luggage, mind. I'm not a big packer personally, but I'm travelling with females; and I'm also rarely going anywhere for less than a week, and there is no way you can fit all that stuff in the tiny bag that Ryanair allows you.
Zim are not up to a five day test but need exposure and game time. They have 11 tests this year. More for many a year going back to when all the white guys left to pursue county cricket contracts.
Oops.
What's the state of Zimbabwe now (the country, not the cricket team)? Is there any reason to be hopeful of its future or is it still languishing in the nadir that Mugabe brought it down to?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Herbert,_7th_Earl_of_Carnarvon#Cultural_depictions
The real power was always the military. The moment Mugabe went against them he was toast.
As Mugabe had chosen his wife as his successor, at the time, the guardian had an article about how the revolution was sexist !!
No mention of how Gucci Grace spent millions on luxuries when most Zimbabweans starved.
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He created the Eye’s teenage poet EJ Thribb and contributed the Colemanballs feature when not romping on the office floor with a secretary
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2025/05/22/barry-fantoni-cartoonist-private-eye-jazzman/ (£££)
Dare I suggest packet rice is right-coded?
Who is more inferior in your 'mind' ?
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I’ve been trying a line on doorsteps recently. “You know everything is broken right? Nothing works. I’ll tell you what has gone wrong. All that money that used to make things work for normal people is being sucked out of the system and it’s lining the billionaires’ pockets.” Pause, they nod, continue . “We need to tax them or if we can’t do that we need to end the system that they are using against us”.
And at that point they laugh. Nobody ever sez, They earn that money and ending billionaires is wrong.
The billionaire funded populist corruption of western democracy may look like a nice little earner for them but I suspect it’s a longer term losing strategy.
That guy that murdered a pharma exec is gonna trend.
Personally I’d prefer Labour to grow a pair. It would be quicker and a lot less destructive of society.
Truss' damage was very time limited of course, Starmers will linger long into the future.