I would be interested how many posts our Travel Correspondent has made today. It must be a prolific performance.
lol. It has been quite heroic. I've got a cold so all I can physically manage is the odd comment on here, and the occasional look at naughty photos of my Camden PCSO ex girlfriend for 3-4 hours
Hopefully I will be better soon, and I have lots of work to do
Is there anything we can do to help you rekindle your romance?
The more hours you are inflagrante the fewer opportunities you have to post.
The reaction to a bog standard social security agreement, that’s good news for British expats, Indian expats, business and both economies is mind boggling.
My firm has a few thousand people in the UK and a few thousand each in various other countries including India. At the moment of one of my team is sent to spend a couple of years in Germany, or Korea, or the Philippines or various other places they only pay NI once, here in Britain. But if they go to India they currently pay it here and in India. We send several dozen people on assignment to our Indian office every year, and they send a similar number here, and the double taxation is a very real cost. The same is true across hundreds of multinationals. Double taxation of posted workers is unfair, and economically stupid. It hits British workers going abroad just as much as vice versa.
The Tories are utterly hypocritical and shameless on this. At least Reform don’t pretend to want to encourage Indian business or entrepreneurs. But in one breath Kemi and Co are moaning that repealing the non dom rules mean poor old rich Indians will leave the country because they have to pay more tax, in the next they are claiming that having people pay tax only once on the same income is two tier tax. And then in the third breath they’re on their second handbrake turn and objecting to inheritance tax on the principle that you shouldn’t be taxed twice on the same income.
The Lib Dem’s will vote against it. Presumably they don’t want to encourage Indian businesses and Entrepreneurs too.
The Lib Dems don’t like it because it’s a post-Brexit trade deal and they think we should focus on the EU. They are wrong on this one, it’s a decent deal - better than I expected.
They’re just opposing for the sake of it.
Yes, there’s probably a bit of that. But at least it’s not a deal they were negotiating on pretty much the same terms only a few months ago in government.
The main principled objection to this would be about Modi and the rule of law, but that’s true of several states were negotiating FTAs with.
They wouldn't know a principle of one sat on their face. Utterly without shame. People can sense the dishonesty; it doesn't matter how much the prat in a pond horses around for the cameras.
What a class act Mark Carney was today. Quite moving.
"Governor" Carney
I really have no idea why people rate the bucket shop Clooney. He got filleted by Jacob Rees Mogg before a Commons Committee and was made to look like an emotional 13 year old. Appointed as a 'face' at the BOE and proved useless and regrettable. Elected as a 'face' in Canada and will prove just as useless and regrettable there.
I’ll be interested to see what this does for community relations in some of our more diverse cities.
TWO FRONT WAR FOR ME - Both my neighbours are Muslim. Such is life!
Why ? Are they of Pakistani heritage ? The war is India v Pakistan not India v Islam.
How did modern Pakistan and India come about?
Mountbatten’s utter stupidity.
Possibly, though I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that Mountbatten KNEW full well about Mr Nehru's (alleged) affair with Edwina (Lady Mountbatten), and got his revenge by urging India to refer the Kashmir dispute to the nascent UN, thus, in a way, legitimizing Pakistan's claim to that territory.
I would be interested how many posts our Travel Correspondent has made today. It must be a prolific performance.
lol. It has been quite heroic. I've got a cold so all I can physically manage is the odd comment on here, and the occasional look at naughty photos of my Camden PCSO ex girlfriend for 3-4 hours
Hopefully I will be better soon, and I have lots of work to do
Is there anything we can do to help you rekindle your romance?
The more hours you are inflagrante the fewer opportunities you have to post.
What are you talking about ?
Leon's love affair with himself has never waned.
The reason Leon wanks constantly is because he is having sex with the person he loves the most.
I’ll be interested to see what this does for community relations in some of our more diverse cities.
TWO FRONT WAR FOR ME - Both my neighbours are Muslim. Such is life!
Why ? Are they of Pakistani heritage ? The war is India v Pakistan not India v Islam.
How did modern Pakistan and India come about?
Not really answered my question.
Will all Muslims naturally support Pakistan, they don’t in the case of Palestine.
Kashmir strikes me as more of a traditional irredentist conflict, like Donbass and Crimea, or Alsace-Lorraine, rather than a religious proxy war.
I used to work with a couple of Indian guys, proud British Hindus, who only ever got animated over this issue. I remember there was some spat in the Kargil Mountains. They weren’t happy. Their view was very much it’s our land not theirs. Their animosity was to Pakistan rather than Islam. My limited experience of people emotionally involved in this conflict mirrors your view.
However this was a while ago and the dynamic may have changed since then.
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I find your constant ghoulish prophecies of "A Reform Government or something WORSE" quite irritating. What is wrong with a Reform Government? Reform are no more right wing than Major's Tory Government in the early 90's - in many respects the last decent one we had. They're certainly no righter wing than you, so please grow some moral courage and stop these daft 'more in sorrow than in anger' warnings.
What is wrong with a Reform government? Well, there are no obviously outstanding candidates for government so that the fact there is lots potentially wrong matters less than it might but it still matters.
Here are three things:
1) Inexperience. Listen to (say) Blair, Mark Carney or Cameron for five minutes and ask whether Reform will have front bench to speak for the UK in the corridors of power. 2) From the 2024 effort - 2029 manifesto unknown - their economics is somewhere between meaningless and catastrophic. It is not possible to articulate what they mean about tax, spend, deficit, debt etc. Their figures don't add up. They are not alone in this, but of course their USP is that unlike all the others they are honest and for the people and will get stuff done. 3) They have some unpleasant friends and their leader is in many ways an unsatisfactory team player.
I agree they may well not be right wing, except on migration (if that counts as right wing). They are social democrats really, like everyone else. Their voters will leave them no choice about that.
That is all true, but it is also true of Conservatives and some of it, to an extent Labour too.
Of course. I think you understate the reality. In particular Labour (for whom I would reluctantly vote if there were an election tomorrow) are displaying a degree of inexperience in timing, decisions, communication and narrative skills which are astonishing; following the election they had a huge audience who love their country willing them to do well, both those who voted for them and others, because it felt like a liberation from chaos. The polls and last week's voting figures tell the next bit of the sad story.
What a class act Mark Carney was today. Quite moving.
"Governor" Carney
I really have no idea why people rate the bucket shop Clooney. He got filleted by Jacob Rees Mogg before a Commons Committee and was made to look like an emotional 13 year old. Appointed as a 'face' at the BOE and proved useless and regrettable. Elected as a 'face' in Canada and will prove just as useless and regrettable there.
My enemy’s enemy.
A stupid principle.
Absolutely. But look at how people were praising Bezos when he was talking about putting tariff pricing on Amazon orders or how some even support the PRC and Xi as they have gone toe to toe with Trump. Even a few here.
The reaction to a bog standard social security agreement, that’s good news for British expats, Indian expats, business and both economies is mind boggling.
My firm has a few thousand people in the UK and a few thousand each in various other countries including India. At the moment of one of my team is sent to spend a couple of years in Germany, or Korea, or the Philippines or various other places they only pay NI once, here in Britain. But if they go to India they currently pay it here and in India. We send several dozen people on assignment to our Indian office every year, and they send a similar number here, and the double taxation is a very real cost. The same is true across hundreds of multinationals. Double taxation of posted workers is unfair, and economically stupid. It hits British workers going abroad just as much as vice versa.
The Tories are utterly hypocritical and shameless on this. At least Reform don’t pretend to want to encourage Indian business or entrepreneurs. But in one breath Kemi and Co are moaning that repealing the non dom rules mean poor old rich Indians will leave the country because they have to pay more tax, in the next they are claiming that having people pay tax only once on the same income is two tier tax. And then in the third breath they’re on their second handbrake turn and objecting to inheritance tax on the principle that you shouldn’t be taxed twice on the same income.
The Lib Dem’s will vote against it. Presumably they don’t want to encourage Indian businesses and Entrepreneurs too.
The Lib Dems don’t like it because it’s a post-Brexit trade deal and they think we should focus on the EU. They are wrong on this one, it’s a decent deal - better than I expected.
They’re just opposing for the sake of it.
Yes, there’s probably a bit of that. But at least it’s not a deal they were negotiating on pretty much the same terms only a few months ago in government.
The main principled objection to this would be about Modi and the rule of law, but that’s true of several states were negotiating FTAs with.
They wouldn't know a principle of one sat on their face. Utterly without shame. People can sense the dishonesty; it doesn't matter how much the prat in a pond horses around for the cameras.
Nope, not going to rise to the trolling. I am a member, almost all the members, councillors and MPs I know are decent thoughtful people wanting to do a good job (not all, but almost all), who worry regularly about what the right policies and political positions are, who generally lack the vast self confidence of those in the main parties, but nonetheless mean well.
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
On the subject of foresight, I did tell you you were watching at least one future world champion at the Crucible.
You did! I was thinking that as I was watching the final. And alsi that when you made that post, I had thought ' maybe, but not this year - he makes too many errors to get past Chris Wakelin'.
I’ll be interested to see what this does for community relations in some of our more diverse cities.
TWO FRONT WAR FOR ME - Both my neighbours are Muslim. Such is life!
Why ? Are they of Pakistani heritage ? The war is India v Pakistan not India v Islam.
How did modern Pakistan and India come about?
Not really answered my question.
Will all Muslims naturally support Pakistan, they don’t in the case of Palestine.
Kashmir strikes me as more of a traditional irredentist conflict, like Donbass and Crimea, or Alsace-Lorraine, rather than a religious proxy war.
I used to work with a couple of Indian guys, proud British Hindus, who only ever got animated over this issue. I remember there was some spat in the Kargil Mountains. They weren’t happy. Their view was very much it’s our land not theirs. Their animosity was to Pakistan rather than Islam. My limited experience of people emotionally involved in this conflict mirrors your view.
However this was a while ago and the dynamic may have changed since then.
As far as I am concerned, Kashmir (give or take some Hindu-majority border areas) should really have gone to Pakistan in 1947. But that's just me.
Think I've been coming to this hotel for too long.
Arrive at hotel, receptionist is on the phone and there are 2 people queuing in front of me. Receptionist looks up, creates a room key and hands it to me.
Romford is awfully convenient when your client is in Bond Street.
What a class act Mark Carney was today. Quite moving.
"Governor" Carney
I really have no idea why people rate the bucket shop Clooney. He got filleted by Jacob Rees Mogg before a Commons Committee and was made to look like an emotional 13 year old. Appointed as a 'face' at the BOE and proved useless and regrettable. Elected as a 'face' in Canada and will prove just as useless and regrettable there.
My enemy’s enemy.
A stupid principle.
Absolutely. But look at how people were praising Bezos when he was talking about putting tariff pricing on Amazon orders or how some even support the PRC and Xi as they have gone toe to toe with Trump. Even a few here.
And isn’t it the principle behind most votes for Trump? He’s going to fight against the people his voters don’t like.
Arrive at hotel, receptionist is on the phone and there are 2 people queuing in front of me. Receptionist looks up, creates a room key and hands it to me.
The reaction to a bog standard social security agreement, that’s good news for British expats, Indian expats, business and both economies is mind boggling.
My firm has a few thousand people in the UK and a few thousand each in various other countries including India. At the moment of one of my team is sent to spend a couple of years in Germany, or Korea, or the Philippines or various other places they only pay NI once, here in Britain. But if they go to India they currently pay it here and in India. We send several dozen people on assignment to our Indian office every year, and they send a similar number here, and the double taxation is a very real cost. The same is true across hundreds of multinationals. Double taxation of posted workers is unfair, and economically stupid. It hits British workers going abroad just as much as vice versa.
The Tories are utterly hypocritical and shameless on this. At least Reform don’t pretend to want to encourage Indian business or entrepreneurs. But in one breath Kemi and Co are moaning that repealing the non dom rules mean poor old rich Indians will leave the country because they have to pay more tax, in the next they are claiming that having people pay tax only once on the same income is two tier tax. And then in the third breath they’re on their second handbrake turn and objecting to inheritance tax on the principle that you shouldn’t be taxed twice on the same income.
The Lib Dem’s will vote against it. Presumably they don’t want to encourage Indian businesses and Entrepreneurs too.
The Lib Dems don’t like it because it’s a post-Brexit trade deal and they think we should focus on the EU. They are wrong on this one, it’s a decent deal - better than I expected.
They’re just opposing for the sake of it.
Yes, there’s probably a bit of that. But at least it’s not a deal they were negotiating on pretty much the same terms only a few months ago in government.
The main principled objection to this would be about Modi and the rule of law, but that’s true of several states were negotiating FTAs with.
They wouldn't know a principle of one sat on their face. Utterly without shame. People can sense the dishonesty; it doesn't matter how much the prat in a pond horses around for the cameras.
Nope, not going to rise to the trolling. I am a member, almost all the members, councillors and MPs I know are decent thoughtful people wanting to do a good job (not all, but almost all), who worry regularly about what the right policies and political positions are, who generally lack the vast self confidence of those in the main parties, but nonetheless mean well.
Think I've been coming to this hotel for too long.
Arrive at hotel, receptionist is on the phone and there are 2 people queuing in front of me. Receptionist looks up, creates a room key and hands it to me.
Romford is awfully convenient when your client is in Bond Street.
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels" Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
Arrive at hotel, receptionist is on the phone and there are 2 people queuing in front of me. Receptionist looks up, creates a room key and hands it to me.
Just the one key tonight, Mr Eek?
It was more the WTF look on the two people in front of me in the queue...
The reaction to a bog standard social security agreement, that’s good news for British expats, Indian expats, business and both economies is mind boggling.
My firm has a few thousand people in the UK and a few thousand each in various other countries including India. At the moment of one of my team is sent to spend a couple of years in Germany, or Korea, or the Philippines or various other places they only pay NI once, here in Britain. But if they go to India they currently pay it here and in India. We send several dozen people on assignment to our Indian office every year, and they send a similar number here, and the double taxation is a very real cost. The same is true across hundreds of multinationals. Double taxation of posted workers is unfair, and economically stupid. It hits British workers going abroad just as much as vice versa.
The Tories are utterly hypocritical and shameless on this. At least Reform don’t pretend to want to encourage Indian business or entrepreneurs. But in one breath Kemi and Co are moaning that repealing the non dom rules mean poor old rich Indians will leave the country because they have to pay more tax, in the next they are claiming that having people pay tax only once on the same income is two tier tax. And then in the third breath they’re on their second handbrake turn and objecting to inheritance tax on the principle that you shouldn’t be taxed twice on the same income.
The Lib Dem’s will vote against it. Presumably they don’t want to encourage Indian businesses and Entrepreneurs too.
The Lib Dems don’t like it because it’s a post-Brexit trade deal and they think we should focus on the EU. They are wrong on this one, it’s a decent deal - better than I expected.
They’re just opposing for the sake of it.
Yes, there’s probably a bit of that. But at least it’s not a deal they were negotiating on pretty much the same terms only a few months ago in government.
The main principled objection to this would be about Modi and the rule of law, but that’s true of several states were negotiating FTAs with.
They wouldn't know a principle of one sat on their face. Utterly without shame. People can sense the dishonesty; it doesn't matter how much the prat in a pond horses around for the cameras.
Nope, not going to rise to the trolling. I am a member, almost all the members, councillors and MPs I know are decent thoughtful people wanting to do a good job (not all, but almost all), who worry regularly about what the right policies and political positions are, who generally lack the vast self confidence of those in the main parties, but nonetheless mean well.
You literally tried to Revoke the biggest vote in British history, and this is AFTER you all campaigned to get it reversed without ever enacting it in a "people's vote" - like the people didn/t vote the first time??
In weird ways, your party is the most disgusting of all. I hope it dies out
I’ll be interested to see what this does for community relations in some of our more diverse cities.
TWO FRONT WAR FOR ME - Both my neighbours are Muslim. Such is life!
Why ? Are they of Pakistani heritage ? The war is India v Pakistan not India v Islam.
How did modern Pakistan and India come about?
Mountbatten’s utter stupidity.
Partition was inevitable after 1942 and the Quit India campaign. The Congress leaders were under house arrest giving Jinnah a free hand to agitate for a muslim state.
How Mountbatten actually implemented partition was pretty rubbish, but by then events had overtaken any control that he could exert.
I have seen the actual coffee table that the division was decided around. It's in the Viceroys Lodge in Simla.
The reaction to a bog standard social security agreement, that’s good news for British expats, Indian expats, business and both economies is mind boggling.
My firm has a few thousand people in the UK and a few thousand each in various other countries including India. At the moment of one of my team is sent to spend a couple of years in Germany, or Korea, or the Philippines or various other places they only pay NI once, here in Britain. But if they go to India they currently pay it here and in India. We send several dozen people on assignment to our Indian office every year, and they send a similar number here, and the double taxation is a very real cost. The same is true across hundreds of multinationals. Double taxation of posted workers is unfair, and economically stupid. It hits British workers going abroad just as much as vice versa.
The Tories are utterly hypocritical and shameless on this. At least Reform don’t pretend to want to encourage Indian business or entrepreneurs. But in one breath Kemi and Co are moaning that repealing the non dom rules mean poor old rich Indians will leave the country because they have to pay more tax, in the next they are claiming that having people pay tax only once on the same income is two tier tax. And then in the third breath they’re on their second handbrake turn and objecting to inheritance tax on the principle that you shouldn’t be taxed twice on the same income.
The Lib Dem’s will vote against it. Presumably they don’t want to encourage Indian businesses and Entrepreneurs too.
The Lib Dems don’t like it because it’s a post-Brexit trade deal and they think we should focus on the EU. They are wrong on this one, it’s a decent deal - better than I expected.
They’re just opposing for the sake of it.
Yes, there’s probably a bit of that. But at least it’s not a deal they were negotiating on pretty much the same terms only a few months ago in government.
The main principled objection to this would be about Modi and the rule of law, but that’s true of several states were negotiating FTAs with.
They wouldn't know a principle of one sat on their face. Utterly without shame. People can sense the dishonesty; it doesn't matter how much the prat in a pond horses around for the cameras.
Nope, not going to rise to the trolling. I am a member, almost all the members, councillors and MPs I know are decent thoughtful people wanting to do a good job (not all, but almost all), who worry regularly about what the right policies and political positions are, who generally lack the vast self confidence of those in the main parties, but nonetheless mean well.
You literally tried to Revoke the biggest vote in British history, and this is AFTER you all campaigned to get it reversed without ever enacting it in a "people's vote" - like the people didn/t vote the first time??
In weird ways, your party is the most disgusting of all. I hope it dies out
So do I, although I would put them above Britain First to be fair.
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels" Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels" Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
It illustrates why so many politicians seem out of touch with the public; technocrats think arguments like that pacify people angry at illegal immigrants being housed in their town.
Think I've been coming to this hotel for too long.
Arrive at hotel, receptionist is on the phone and there are 2 people queuing in front of me. Receptionist looks up, creates a room key and hands it to me.
Romford is awfully convenient when your client is in Bond Street.
You can check out…………but you can never leave.
I'll be leaving on Thursday and hopefully unlike a fortnight ago ECML won't be closed..
Think I've been coming to this hotel for too long.
Arrive at hotel, receptionist is on the phone and there are 2 people queuing in front of me. Receptionist looks up, creates a room key and hands it to me.
Romford is awfully convenient when your client is in Bond Street.
Normally people stop that sentence halfway through word three.
(The really strange Lizzie Line hotel is the one at Seven Kings. Really featureless suburbia, and now it has an Ibis Styles hotel next to the station and a secondary school.)
I’ll be interested to see what this does for community relations in some of our more diverse cities.
TWO FRONT WAR FOR ME - Both my neighbours are Muslim. Such is life!
Why ? Are they of Pakistani heritage ? The war is India v Pakistan not India v Islam.
How did modern Pakistan and India come about?
Mountbatten’s utter stupidity.
Partition was inevitable after 1942 and the Quit India campaign. The Congress leaders were under house arrest giving Jinnah a free hand to agitate for a muslim state.
How Mountbatten actually implemented partition was pretty rubbish, but by then events had overtaken any control that he could exert.
I have seen the actual coffee table that the division was decided around. It's in the Viceroys Lodge in Simla.
Used to be a nice curry house in Brum called Simla Pinks. Some soccer players, including Lee Dixon apparently, had a stake in it.
I’ll be interested to see what this does for community relations in some of our more diverse cities.
TWO FRONT WAR FOR ME - Both my neighbours are Muslim. Such is life!
Why ? Are they of Pakistani heritage ? The war is India v Pakistan not India v Islam.
How did modern Pakistan and India come about?
Not really answered my question.
Will all Muslims naturally support Pakistan, they don’t in the case of Palestine.
Kashmir strikes me as more of a traditional irredentist conflict, like Donbass and Crimea, or Alsace-Lorraine, rather than a religious proxy war.
I used to work with a couple of Indian guys, proud British Hindus, who only ever got animated over this issue. I remember there was some spat in the Kargil Mountains. They weren’t happy. Their view was very much it’s our land not theirs. Their animosity was to Pakistan rather than Islam. My limited experience of people emotionally involved in this conflict mirrors your view.
However this was a while ago and the dynamic may have changed since then.
This is why I think the rest of the world are going to try and ignore this conflict. It's a complicated border dispute with no real moral argument one way or the other.
Think I've been coming to this hotel for too long.
Arrive at hotel, receptionist is on the phone and there are 2 people queuing in front of me. Receptionist looks up, creates a room key and hands it to me.
Romford is awfully convenient when your client is in Bond Street.
Normally people stop that sentence halfway through word three.
(The really strange Lizzie Line hotel is the one at Seven Kings. Really featureless suburbia, and now it has an Ibis Styles hotel next to the station and a secondary school.)
Oh, Canon Palmer School (Now the Palmer Academy) predated the hotel by decades! Ilford South of course.
I’ll be interested to see what this does for community relations in some of our more diverse cities.
TWO FRONT WAR FOR ME - Both my neighbours are Muslim. Such is life!
Why ? Are they of Pakistani heritage ? The war is India v Pakistan not India v Islam.
How did modern Pakistan and India come about?
Not really answered my question.
Will all Muslims naturally support Pakistan, they don’t in the case of Palestine.
Kashmir strikes me as more of a traditional irredentist conflict, like Donbass and Crimea, or Alsace-Lorraine, rather than a religious proxy war.
I used to work with a couple of Indian guys, proud British Hindus, who only ever got animated over this issue. I remember there was some spat in the Kargil Mountains. They weren’t happy. Their view was very much it’s our land not theirs. Their animosity was to Pakistan rather than Islam. My limited experience of people emotionally involved in this conflict mirrors your view.
However this was a while ago and the dynamic may have changed since then.
This is why I think the rest of the world are going to try and ignore this conflict. It's a complicated border dispute with no real moral argument one way or the other.
What a class act Mark Carney was today. Quite moving.
"Governor" Carney
I really have no idea why people rate the bucket shop Clooney. He got filleted by Jacob Rees Mogg before a Commons Committee and was made to look like an emotional 13 year old. Appointed as a 'face' at the BOE and proved useless and regrettable. Elected as a 'face' in Canada and will prove just as useless and regrettable there.
My enemy’s enemy.
A stupid principle.
Absolutely. But look at how people were praising Bezos when he was talking about putting tariff pricing on Amazon orders or how some even support the PRC and Xi as they have gone toe to toe with Trump. Even a few here.
Think I've been coming to this hotel for too long.
Arrive at hotel, receptionist is on the phone and there are 2 people queuing in front of me. Receptionist looks up, creates a room key and hands it to me.
Romford is awfully convenient when your client is in Bond Street.
Normally people stop that sentence halfway through word three.
(The really strange Lizzie Line hotel is the one at Seven Kings. Really featureless suburbia, and now it has an Ibis Styles hotel next to the station and a secondary school.)
That Ibis Styles is now a Hilton Spark and as I've hinted decent enough, cheap and rather convenient.. I will point out I've ventured little further than the hotel in the months I've been staying here..
However we do it, we need to sabotage Pakistan's nuclear programme. They can't be trusted with nukes. Imagine threatening nuclear warfare against another nuclear power over a few missiles in retaliation for a state sponsored terrorist attack.
Think I've been coming to this hotel for too long.
Arrive at hotel, receptionist is on the phone and there are 2 people queuing in front of me. Receptionist looks up, creates a room key and hands it to me.
Romford is awfully convenient when your client is in Bond Street.
Normally people stop that sentence halfway through word three.
(The really strange Lizzie Line hotel is the one at Seven Kings. Really featureless suburbia, and now it has an Ibis Styles hotel next to the station and a secondary school.)
The Ibis Styles is now a Hilton Spark and rather convenient..
What a class act Mark Carney was today. Quite moving.
"Governor" Carney
I really have no idea why people rate the bucket shop Clooney. He got filleted by Jacob Rees Mogg before a Commons Committee and was made to look like an emotional 13 year old. Appointed as a 'face' at the BOE and proved useless and regrettable. Elected as a 'face' in Canada and will prove just as useless and regrettable there.
My enemy’s enemy.
A stupid principle.
Absolutely. But look at how people were praising Bezos when he was talking about putting tariff pricing on Amazon orders or how some even support the PRC and Xi as they have gone toe to toe with Trump. Even a few here.
People were praising Bezos? Seems very unlikely.
I’m not in the habit of lying.
It was a sinner repenting. Even discussed it here with a couple of people.
Think I've been coming to this hotel for too long.
Arrive at hotel, receptionist is on the phone and there are 2 people queuing in front of me. Receptionist looks up, creates a room key and hands it to me.
Romford is awfully convenient when your client is in Bond Street.
Normally people stop that sentence halfway through word three.
(The really strange Lizzie Line hotel is the one at Seven Kings. Really featureless suburbia, and now it has an Ibis Styles hotel next to the station and a secondary school.)
The Ibis Styles is now a Hilton Spark and rather convenient..
Literally outside!
When they close the station's side entrance the walk more than doubles..
Gaza will be destroyed says Israel. Ukraine back on the offensive in Kursk. India and Pakistan lobbing nukes. How's Donald's Peace Prize? I'm also old enough to remember being told no one would dare do owt for fear of not knowing what his reaction would be... We know now. Bumbling blowhard idiocy. Time for the PRC now they've got the snooker sorted.
However we do it, we need to sabotage Pakistan's nuclear programme. They can't be trusted with nukes. Imagine threatening nuclear warfare against another nuclear power over a few missiles in retaliation for a state sponsored terrorist attack.
Over the next decade, nuclear proliferation is almost inevitable, I'm afraid. And I don't think there's anything the UK can do to prevent it.
Trump: "I could announce 50 to 100 deals right now because I'm the shopkeeper and I keep the store. I know what countries are looking for and I know what we're looking for and I can just set those terms and they can go shopping or they don't have to go shopping, because everybody wants to shop here"
What a class act Mark Carney was today. Quite moving.
"Governor" Carney
I really have no idea why people rate the bucket shop Clooney. He got filleted by Jacob Rees Mogg before a Commons Committee and was made to look like an emotional 13 year old. Appointed as a 'face' at the BOE and proved useless and regrettable. Elected as a 'face' in Canada and will prove just as useless and regrettable there.
My enemy’s enemy.
A stupid principle.
Absolutely. But look at how people were praising Bezos when he was talking about putting tariff pricing on Amazon orders or how some even support the PRC and Xi as they have gone toe to toe with Trump. Even a few here.
People were praising Bezos? Seems very unlikely.
I’m not in the habit of lying.
It was a sinner repenting. Even discussed it here with a couple of people.
Ah, I thought you meant posters on here praised Bezos, and I wondered who?
What a class act Mark Carney was today. Quite moving.
"Governor" Carney
I really have no idea why people rate the bucket shop Clooney. He got filleted by Jacob Rees Mogg before a Commons Committee and was made to look like an emotional 13 year old. Appointed as a 'face' at the BOE and proved useless and regrettable. Elected as a 'face' in Canada and will prove just as useless and regrettable there.
My enemy’s enemy.
A stupid principle.
Absolutely. But look at how people were praising Bezos when he was talking about putting tariff pricing on Amazon orders or how some even support the PRC and Xi as they have gone toe to toe with Trump. Even a few here.
People were praising Bezos? Seems very unlikely.
I’m not in the habit of lying.
It was a sinner repenting. Even discussed it here with a couple of people.
There was that little window (a couple of hours?) where it looked like Amazon were going to put the tariffs as an explicit line on peoples' bills, and some got excited. It only lasted a couple of hours before he fell back into line.
One of the bonkers things to watch has been the way that all these proper Masters of the Universe have just caved to a dribbling old fool like this.
(And "my enemy's enemy" is part of the reason for the Farage Frust. Otherwise sensible Conservatives who know that RefUK is going to destroy their party and go much deeper into the right wing Id than is prudent, nethertheless cheering him on because he is sticking it to Starmer. Remember the old line: "the people over there are just our opponents- our enemies are on this side.")
What a class act Mark Carney was today. Quite moving.
"Governor" Carney
I really have no idea why people rate the bucket shop Clooney. He got filleted by Jacob Rees Mogg before a Commons Committee and was made to look like an emotional 13 year old. Appointed as a 'face' at the BOE and proved useless and regrettable. Elected as a 'face' in Canada and will prove just as useless and regrettable there.
My enemy’s enemy.
A stupid principle.
Absolutely. But look at how people were praising Bezos when he was talking about putting tariff pricing on Amazon orders or how some even support the PRC and Xi as they have gone toe to toe with Trump. Even a few here.
People were praising Bezos? Seems very unlikely.
I’m not in the habit of lying.
It was a sinner repenting. Even discussed it here with a couple of people.
Ah, I thought you meant posters on here praised Bezos, and I wondered who?
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels" Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
You also seen to have completely missed my very simple point.
Nobody is trying to persuade Leon that asylum seekers are great.
They are engaged in the utterly futile endeavor of trying to get him to occasionally post something that isn't dishonest.
I’ll be interested to see what this does for community relations in some of our more diverse cities.
TWO FRONT WAR FOR ME - Both my neighbours are Muslim. Such is life!
Why ? Are they of Pakistani heritage ? The war is India v Pakistan not India v Islam.
How did modern Pakistan and India come about?
Not really answered my question.
Will all Muslims naturally support Pakistan, they don’t in the case of Palestine.
Kashmir strikes me as more of a traditional irredentist conflict, like Donbass and Crimea, or Alsace-Lorraine, rather than a religious proxy war.
I used to work with a couple of Indian guys, proud British Hindus, who only ever got animated over this issue. I remember there was some spat in the Kargil Mountains. They weren’t happy. Their view was very much it’s our land not theirs. Their animosity was to Pakistan rather than Islam. My limited experience of people emotionally involved in this conflict mirrors your view.
However this was a while ago and the dynamic may have changed since then.
As far as I am concerned, Kashmir (give or take some Hindu-majority border areas) should really have gone to Pakistan in 1947. But that's just me.
I think it pretty certain that Kashmir would vote to join Pakistan, which is why India won't hold one.
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels" Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
You also seen to have completely missed my very simple point.
Nobody is trying to persuade Leon that asylum seekers are great.
They are engaged in the utterly futile endeavor of trying to get him to occasionally post something that isn't dishonest.
It may be dishonest but it does reflect what a lot of Reform voters hear and he shows how hard it is to argue against what they believe is correct because as he points out once you are explaining you've already lost..
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels" Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
You also seen to have completely missed my very simple point.
Nobody is trying to persuade Leon that asylum seekers are great.
They are engaged in the utterly futile endeavor of trying to get him to occasionally post something that isn't dishonest.
OK let's take literally my last post, about the Lib Dems
"You literally tried to Revoke the biggest vote in British history, and this is AFTER you all campaigned to get it reversed without ever enacting it in a "people's vote" - like the people didn't vote the first time??"
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels" Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
You also seen to have completely missed my very simple point.
Nobody is trying to persuade Leon that asylum seekers are great.
They are engaged in the utterly futile endeavor of trying to get him to occasionally post something that isn't dishonest.
It may be dishonest but it does reflect what a lot of Reform voters hear and he shows how hard it is to argue against what they believe is correct because as he points out once you are explaining you've already lost..
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels" Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
You also seen to have completely missed my very simple point.
Nobody is trying to persuade Leon that asylum seekers are great.
They are engaged in the utterly futile endeavor of trying to get him to occasionally post something that isn't dishonest.
It may be dishonest but it does reflect what a lot of Reform voters hear and he shows how hard it is to argue against what they believe is correct because as he points out once you are explaining you've already lost..
And that's not a new problem, and it's not unique to the right. (As I've mentioned before, my formative practical politics was against a Liberal councillor in south Hampshire who pulled different versions of the same levers.)
What is different now is that more people get their "news" from individually calibrated algorithms, and those algorithms are optimised on engagement, which tends to mean inducing anger. It's not a new problem, but it's much worse than it used to be.
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels" Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
You also seen to have completely missed my very simple point.
Nobody is trying to persuade Leon that asylum seekers are great.
They are engaged in the utterly futile endeavor of trying to get him to occasionally post something that isn't dishonest.
It's not dishonest. The issue you are picking up on changes the substance of what is being said so little it is almost irrelevant. As a conparison: Person A: I'm going to Manchester to watch football. Manchester United are my favourite team I'm really looking forward to watching them play at their home ground. Person B: Manchester United play their home matches at Old Trafford, which is outside the city of Manchester. You are being dishonest.
You see how person B is technically correct and yet the detail he is picking up on is fundamentally unimportant to the point person A is making? We engage in massive nitpickery online, but noone in the real world would accuse person A of lying.
I’ll be interested to see what this does for community relations in some of our more diverse cities.
TWO FRONT WAR FOR ME - Both my neighbours are Muslim. Such is life!
Why ? Are they of Pakistani heritage ? The war is India v Pakistan not India v Islam.
How did modern Pakistan and India come about?
Not really answered my question.
Will all Muslims naturally support Pakistan, they don’t in the case of Palestine.
Kashmir strikes me as more of a traditional irredentist conflict, like Donbass and Crimea, or Alsace-Lorraine, rather than a religious proxy war.
I used to work with a couple of Indian guys, proud British Hindus, who only ever got animated over this issue. I remember there was some spat in the Kargil Mountains. They weren’t happy. Their view was very much it’s our land not theirs. Their animosity was to Pakistan rather than Islam. My limited experience of people emotionally involved in this conflict mirrors your view.
However this was a while ago and the dynamic may have changed since then.
As far as I am concerned, Kashmir (give or take some Hindu-majority border areas) should really have gone to Pakistan in 1947. But that's just me.
I think it pretty certain that Kashmir would vote to join Pakistan, which is why India won't hold one.
Though opinion polling in the past has shown independence as a more popular option. Sadly not on offer.
What a class act Mark Carney was today. Quite moving.
"Governor" Carney
I really have no idea why people rate the bucket shop Clooney. He got filleted by Jacob Rees Mogg before a Commons Committee and was made to look like an emotional 13 year old. Appointed as a 'face' at the BOE and proved useless and regrettable. Elected as a 'face' in Canada and will prove just as useless and regrettable there.
My enemy’s enemy.
A stupid principle.
Absolutely. But look at how people were praising Bezos when he was talking about putting tariff pricing on Amazon orders or how some even support the PRC and Xi as they have gone toe to toe with Trump. Even a few here.
People were praising Bezos? Seems very unlikely.
I’m not in the habit of lying.
It was a sinner repenting. Even discussed it here with a couple of people.
There was that little window (a couple of hours?) where it looked like Amazon were going to put the tariffs as an explicit line on peoples' bills, and some got excited. It only lasted a couple of hours before he fell back into line.
Shein have started revealing the new with tariff prices and people are shocked (and not buying).
There is also this from a Canadian underwear firm revealing that their $59 bra is now $154.58
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels" Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
It illustrates why so many politicians seem out of touch with the public; technocrats think arguments like that pacify people angry at illegal immigrants being housed in their town.
I’d be tempted by .
Do you ever wonder why the three star are full of homeless families?
Getting the angry to consider and own that one would be good.
What a class act Mark Carney was today. Quite moving.
"Governor" Carney
I really have no idea why people rate the bucket shop Clooney. He got filleted by Jacob Rees Mogg before a Commons Committee and was made to look like an emotional 13 year old. Appointed as a 'face' at the BOE and proved useless and regrettable. Elected as a 'face' in Canada and will prove just as useless and regrettable there.
My enemy’s enemy.
A stupid principle.
Absolutely. But look at how people were praising Bezos when he was talking about putting tariff pricing on Amazon orders or how some even support the PRC and Xi as they have gone toe to toe with Trump. Even a few here.
People were praising Bezos? Seems very unlikely.
I’m not in the habit of lying.
It was a sinner repenting. Even discussed it here with a couple of people.
There was that little window (a couple of hours?) where it looked like Amazon were going to put the tariffs as an explicit line on peoples' bills, and some got excited. It only lasted a couple of hours before he fell back into line.
Shein have started revealing the new with tariff prices and people are shocked (and not buying).
There is also this from a Canadian underwear firm revealing that their $59 bra is now $154.58
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels" Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
You also seen to have completely missed my very simple point.
Nobody is trying to persuade Leon that asylum seekers are great.
They are engaged in the utterly futile endeavor of trying to get him to occasionally post something that isn't dishonest.
It's not dishonest. The issue you are picking up on changes the substance of what is being said so little it is almost irrelevant. As a conparison: Person A: I'm going to Manchester to watch football. Manchester United are my favourite team I'm really looking forward to watching them play at their home ground. Person B: Manchester United play their home matches at Old Trafford, which is outside the city of Manchester. You are being dishonest.
You see how person B is technically correct and yet the detail he is picking up on is fundamentally unimportant to the point person A is making? We engage in massive nitpickery online, but noone in the real world would accuse person A of lying.
True, but I don't think that's the best analogy.
To stay in Manchester, I'd say it's a bit like being invited to the Manchester City stadium and being taken to Maine Road. Yes, it used to be the stadium, Maine Road itself is still in the same place, but it's really not the same thing any more.
But that's no good in terms of practical politics, because explaining=losing. What should happen is that long-term bullshitters get shunned...
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels" Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
You also seen to have completely missed my very simple point.
Nobody is trying to persuade Leon that asylum seekers are great.
They are engaged in the utterly futile endeavor of trying to get him to occasionally post something that isn't dishonest.
It's not dishonest. The issue you are picking up on changes the substance of what is being said so little it is almost irrelevant. As a conparison: Person A: I'm going to Manchester to watch football. Manchester United are my favourite team I'm really looking forward to watching them play at their home ground. Person B: Manchester United play their home matches at Old Trafford, which is outside the city of Manchester. You are being dishonest.
You see how person B is technically correct and yet the detail he is picking up on is fundamentally unimportant to the point person A is making? We engage in massive nitpickery online, but noone in the real world would accuse person A of lying.
But Leon is lying. This isn’t nitpicking. Asylum seekers are not housed in 4-star hotels. They are sometimes housed in what used to be 4-star hotels.
It’s like saying that Leon had sex with a 14-year old prostitute. He responds that she was of age, and the first person then says, “But she used to be 14.” It’s the same logic.
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels" Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
You also seen to have completely missed my very simple point.
Nobody is trying to persuade Leon that asylum seekers are great.
They are engaged in the utterly futile endeavor of trying to get him to occasionally post something that isn't dishonest.
OK let's take literally my last post, about the Lib Dems
"You literally tried to Revoke the biggest vote in British history, and this is AFTER you all campaigned to get it reversed without ever enacting it in a "people's vote" - like the people didn't vote the first time??"
What is the dishonesty there?
You fail to clearly define what you mean, so it's hard to say.
But if you did manage to make a post that wasn't dishonest - congratulations! Maybe Mexicanpete's ticking off is working!
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels" Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
You also seen to have completely missed my very simple point.
Nobody is trying to persuade Leon that asylum seekers are great.
They are engaged in the utterly futile endeavor of trying to get him to occasionally post something that isn't dishonest.
It's not dishonest. The issue you are picking up on changes the substance of what is being said so little it is almost irrelevant. As a conparison: Person A: I'm going to Manchester to watch football. Manchester United are my favourite team I'm really looking forward to watching them play at their home ground. Person B: Manchester United play their home matches at Old Trafford, which is outside the city of Manchester. You are being dishonest.
You see how person B is technically correct and yet the detail he is picking up on is fundamentally unimportant to the point person A is making? We engage in massive nitpickery online, but noone in the real world would accuse person A of lying.
But Leon is lying. This isn’t nitpicking. Asylum seekers are not housed in 4-star hotels. They are sometimes housed in what used to be 4-star hotels.
It’s like saying that Leon had sex with a 14-year old prostitute. He responds that she was of age, and the first person then says, “But she used to be 14.” It’s the same logic.
It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?
Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain
Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave
This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course
I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.
Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.
Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”
I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels" Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
You also seen to have completely missed my very simple point.
Nobody is trying to persuade Leon that asylum seekers are great.
They are engaged in the utterly futile endeavor of trying to get him to occasionally post something that isn't dishonest.
OK let's take literally my last post, about the Lib Dems
"You literally tried to Revoke the biggest vote in British history, and this is AFTER you all campaigned to get it reversed without ever enacting it in a "people's vote" - like the people didn't vote the first time??"
What is the dishonesty there?
Because you pretend to not understand how a Parliamentary democracy works. The Lib Dems did not stand in the 2015 General Election promising a referendum on Brexit. Their MPs were elected in the full knowledge that they opposed leaving the EU. During the various Parliamentary votes on Brexit the Lib Dem MPs were doing precisely what they were elected to do. They then put revoke into their 2019 manifesto to submit it for judgement by the electorate. To use your random capitals, THAT'S HOW OUR SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.
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Leon's love affair with himself has never waned.
They are talking about jailing fans...
However this was a while ago and the dynamic may have changed since then.
6-6 on aggregate now.
Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?
Arrive at hotel, receptionist is on the phone and there are 2 people queuing in front of me. Receptionist looks up, creates a room key and hands it to me.
Romford is awfully convenient when your client is in Bond Street.
https://x.com/gerryadamssf/status/1919787353427620196?s=61
Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".
Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.
In weird ways, your party is the most disgusting of all. I hope it dies out
How Mountbatten actually implemented partition was pretty rubbish, but by then events had overtaken any control that he could exert.
I have seen the actual coffee table that the division was decided around. It's in the Viceroys Lodge in Simla.
Our new mates have missiled Pakistan.
Super.
(The really strange Lizzie Line hotel is the one at Seven Kings. Really featureless suburbia, and now it has an Ibis Styles hotel next to the station and a secondary school.)
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1919862093525758359?s=61
It was a sinner repenting. Even discussed it here with a couple of people.
Ukraine back on the offensive in Kursk.
India and Pakistan lobbing nukes.
How's Donald's Peace Prize?
I'm also old enough to remember being told no one would dare do owt for fear of not knowing what his reaction would be...
We know now.
Bumbling blowhard idiocy.
Time for the PRC now they've got the snooker sorted.
Pakistan again violates the Ceasefire Agreement by firing Artillery in Bhimber Gali in Poonch- Rajauri area.
#IndianArmy is responding appropriately in a calibrated manner.
The first thing he'll do is to assemble his cabinet
https://x.com/edgecgroup/status/1919538408273203389?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Welsh Westminster Voting Intention:
PLC: 24% (+9)
RFM: 24% (+7)
LAB: 20% (-17)
CON: 13% (-5)
LDM: 9% (+2)
GRN: 7% (+2)
Via @YouGov, 22-30 Apr.
Changes w/ GE2024.
Now I know India / Pakistan are two children arguing in a playground but really....
@atrupar.com
Trump: "I could announce 50 to 100 deals right now because I'm the shopkeeper and I keep the store. I know what countries are looking for and I know what we're looking for and I can just set those terms and they can go shopping or they don't have to go shopping, because everybody wants to shop here"
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lojssclr242s
One of the bonkers things to watch has been the way that all these proper Masters of the Universe have just caved to a dribbling old fool like this.
(And "my enemy's enemy" is part of the reason for the Farage Frust. Otherwise sensible Conservatives who know that RefUK is going to destroy their party and go much deeper into the right wing Id than is prudent, nethertheless cheering him on because he is sticking it to Starmer. Remember the old line: "the people over there are just our opponents- our enemies are on this side.")
You also seen to have completely missed my very simple point.
Nobody is trying to persuade Leon that asylum seekers are great.
They are engaged in the utterly futile endeavor of trying to get him to occasionally post something that isn't dishonest.
"You literally tried to Revoke the biggest vote in British history, and this is AFTER you all campaigned to get it reversed without ever enacting it in a "people's vote" - like the people didn't vote the first time??"
What is the dishonesty there?
What is different now is that more people get their "news" from individually calibrated algorithms, and those algorithms are optimised on engagement, which tends to mean inducing anger. It's not a new problem, but it's much worse than it used to be.
As a conparison:
Person A: I'm going to Manchester to watch football. Manchester United are my favourite team I'm really looking forward to watching them play at their home ground.
Person B: Manchester United play their home matches at Old Trafford, which is outside the city of Manchester. You are being dishonest.
You see how person B is technically correct and yet the detail he is picking up on is fundamentally unimportant to the point person A is making? We engage in massive nitpickery online, but noone in the real world would accuse person A of lying.
There is also this from a Canadian underwear firm revealing that their $59 bra is now $154.58
https://x.com/CoraCHarrington/status/1919814076219240534
NEWS:
A federal judge fast-tracks a trial in a lawsuit seeking to block the Trump admin from mass-scale retaliation against student activists.
It's set for July 7.
https://x.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1919869462070640868
Reality is - Trump and co are moving too quickly that the constraints can't cope..
Do you ever wonder why the three star are full of
homeless families?
Getting the angry to consider and own that one would be good.
Said one happy buyer.
Do you know who was a big fan of creating a Pakistan? Churchill.
If Countries want to trade with the US, they need to send baubles to the Mad King.
To stay in Manchester, I'd say it's a bit like being invited to the Manchester City stadium and being taken to Maine Road. Yes, it used to be the stadium, Maine Road itself is still in the same place, but it's really not the same thing any more.
But that's no good in terms of practical politics, because explaining=losing. What should happen is that long-term bullshitters get shunned...
It’s like saying that Leon had sex with a 14-year old prostitute. He responds that she was of age, and the first person then says, “But she used to be 14.” It’s the same logic.
But if you did manage to make a post that wasn't dishonest - congratulations! Maybe Mexicanpete's ticking off is working!