A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Really? I am not a fan of nationalisation but I am very much in favour of the national interest. We had made a horrendous mistake to ever allow such a strategic industry to fall into foreign hands. What did they owe us? Nothing. They were understandably acting in their own interests.
It is our pathetic need for excess consumption and the need to sell pretty much anything to fund it that got us in this mess. We need to do something about these past mistakes. Above all, I hope we can learn from them.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
I’ve really no idea what to think of the USA anymore. Where’s the protections against this kind of lunacy, or is Trump just free to do whatever he feels like doing?
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
You’re not the only one . Trump threatening to deport US citizens and allowing an innocent man to rot in jail . And the extraordinary comments from Biondi refusing to even acknowledge that he was not a gang member . The cruelty on display from this administration is off the scale .
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
A strike by bin workers in Birmingham is set to continue after the latest offer by the city council was "overwhelmingly" rejected.
So what is the issue in Birmingham?
My vague understanding was that the courts had said that X job is equivalent to bin men & therefore there can be no pay differential (plus chunky compensation)
And the bin men a striking because they want a differential?
I must have missed something because how does that get resolved?
They're striking because they want more money per se.
Elon Musk: The right metric for intelligence is the ability to predict the future.
“The right metric for intelligence is probably the ability to predict the future. You're as intelligent as you can predict the future well.
Because if somebody claims this person or this AI is very intelligent, how good are its predictions? If its predictions are not very good, it's not that smart.
To predict the future, you have to think critically about the past and constantly try to be less wrong.”
Lancaster, Pennsylvania, October 26, 2024
If you are extremely intelligent you can make the future not just follow it
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
I know you're working at pace to avoid posting hackneyed far right claptrap but you need to go further and faster.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
Or strongwomen in the case of Meloni in Italy.
To be fair to Rishi he did tighten visa wage requirements for migrants and reduce the ability of dependents to be brought in too
I’ve really no idea what to think of the USA anymore. Where’s the protections against this kind of lunacy, or is Trump just free to do whatever he feels like doing?
I think it’s more that none of those inadequate members of his govt up to and including Trump want to admit any wrong they do.
Most because they either don’t realise, don’t agree it’s wrong or don’t want to get into trouble with the boss but for Trump it’s just sheer arrogance and hubris.
He will not remotely accept Tariffs are wrong, his Ukraine/Russia strategy is wrong or his El Salvador/deportation strategy is wrong so the mistakes will go uncorrected and doubled down on to save his pride and America and the world can go hang.
And talking of hanging, I wonder with the likes of Rubio (who isn’t completely malevolent and stupid) there is an element of “we must, indeed, all hang together or most assuredly we shall hang separately”.
I’m sick of this anti woke hysteria . So called woke doesn’t deport innocent people , and doesn’t destroy democracy . It might annoy some people which is fair enough , people have every right to be annoyed what they don’t have is this bullshit false equivalence which seeks to justify the destruction of US democracy !
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
The SCOTUS set all this up when they ruled that the POTUS couldn't commit a crime. Presumably that includes kidnapping, abetting torture and contempt of court.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
It reminds me of the crap you hear from abusers: "look what you made me do." Its pathetic then and its pathetic when you say it. Those who voted for Trump are responsible for their actions and the consequences of their action. Attempting to blame others is, well, pathetic.
I’m sick of this anti woke hysteria . So called woke doesn’t deport innocent people , and doesn’t destroy democracy . It might annoy some people which is fair enough , people have every right to be annoyed what they don’t have is this bullshit false equivalence which seeks to justify the destruction of US democracy !
It's horseshit of the highest order. There was nothing inevitable about Trump and nothing justifies Trump.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
The slope isn't slippery; the frog isn't gradually getting boiled. Within its first hundred days the Trump administration has openly asserted the right/ power to seize and imprison anyone— including political dissidents, including citizens— and deprive them of any legal recourse at all.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
What, being sent to a foreign prison at the whim of an erratic PM having committed no crime and having never been convicted of anything?
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
A strike by bin workers in Birmingham is set to continue after the latest offer by the city council was "overwhelmingly" rejected.
So what is the issue in Birmingham?
My vague understanding was that the courts had said that X job is equivalent to bin men & therefore there can be no pay differential (plus chunky compensation)
And the bin men a striking because they want a differential?
I must have missed something because how does that get resolved?
They're striking because they want more money per se.
Actually, I thought they were striking because job X is going to be axed so that there is no equal pay issue. There are three grades of binperson at moment: the driver, the 'ordinary' bin guys and some kind of made up bin supervisory type thingy (they are supposed to enter some data in an ipad every so often, otherwise they do bins)(this is job X).
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
What, being sent to a foreign prison at the whim of an erratic PM having committed no crime and having never been convicted of anything?
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
Who has Bukele sent abroad for comitting no crime?
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
The slope isn't slippery; the frog isn't gradually getting boiled. Within its first hundred days the Trump administration has openly asserted the right/ power to seize and imprison anyone— including political dissidents, including citizens— and deprive them of any legal recourse at all.
According to something I've just seen online, "Prometheus" is a de-facto remake of "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier". I am oddly drawn to this analogy.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
What, being sent to a foreign prison at the whim of an erratic PM having committed no crime and having never been convicted of anything?
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
Whi has Bukele sent abroad for comitting no crime?
Because the Trump administration is incompetent and his detainee was caught up in a roundup of people of the wrong ethnicity.
If the Starmer Government rounded you up and sent you to El Salvador you might feel equally aggrieved.
Or were you making a different point? It's hard to tell.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
The slope isn't slippery; the frog isn't gradually getting boiled. Within its first hundred days the Trump administration has openly asserted the right/ power to seize and imprison anyone— including political dissidents, including citizens— and deprive them of any legal recourse at all.
As of Monday afternoon, the Amstel Tiger was sitting about 20 miles off the mouth of the Humber, according to the Marine Traffic website.
The vessel was shown as bound for Immingham from the US and listed as having arrived last Thursday. Rather than enter the port and unload, however, it appears to have remained offshore, holding its position for several days.
Government having trouble with payment processor accepting their credit card?
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
What, being sent to a foreign prison at the whim of an erratic PM having committed no crime and having never been convicted of anything?
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
Whi has Bukele sent abroad for comitting no crime?
Because the Trump administration is incompetent and his detainee was caught up in a roundup of people of the wrong ethnicity.
If the Starmer Government rounded you up and sent you to El Salvador you might feel equally aggrieved.
Or were you making a different point? It's hard to tell.
Sure, I am vaguely aware of the story, but my point was about Bukele, who apparently gives poor DavidL a billious attack.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
It reminds me of the crap you hear from abusers: "look what you made me do." Its pathetic then and its pathetic when you say it. Those who voted for Trump are responsible for their actions and the consequences of their action. Attempting to blame others is, well, pathetic.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
What, being sent to a foreign prison at the whim of an erratic PM having committed no crime and having never been convicted of anything?
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
Who has Bukele sent abroad for comitting no crime?
OH! I see.
"No crime" here is a bit of a trap by the Right as it is quite possible that the individual concerned has committed a crime. However Bukele and Trump are between them imprisoning a person who is not subject to a prison sentence.
Habeas Corpus is still a law in this country. Doubtless you'd see it repealed as a bleeding-heart woke lefty inconvenience.
As of Monday afternoon, the Amstel Tiger was sitting about 20 miles off the mouth of the Humber, according to the Marine Traffic website.
The vessel was shown as bound for Immingham from the US and listed as having arrived last Thursday. Rather than enter the port and unload, however, it appears to have remained offshore, holding its position for several days.
Government having trouble with payment processor accepting their credit card?
As of Monday afternoon, the Amstel Tiger was sitting about 20 miles off the mouth of the Humber, according to the Marine Traffic website.
The vessel was shown as bound for Immingham from the US and listed as having arrived last Thursday. Rather than enter the port and unload, however, it appears to have remained offshore, holding its position for several days.
Government having trouble with payment processor accepting their credit card?
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
What, being sent to a foreign prison at the whim of an erratic PM having committed no crime and having never been convicted of anything?
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
Who has Bukele sent abroad for comitting no crime?
OH! I see.
"No crime" here is a bit of a trap by the Right as it is quite possible that the individual concerned has committed a crime. However Bukele and Trump are between them imprisoning a person who is not subject to a prison sentence.
Habeas Corpus is still a law in this country. Doubtless you'd see it repealed as a bleeding-heart woke lefty inconvenience.
Does habeus corpus have any relevance in a society which literally seeks to imprison white people more often than black and brown people, on the basis of their skin colour? No. It doesn’t
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
The slope isn't slippery; the frog isn't gradually getting boiled. Within its first hundred days the Trump administration has openly asserted the right/ power to seize and imprison anyone— including political dissidents, including citizens— and deprive them of any legal recourse at all.
We should do the same. I recommended as much the other day.
We currently have prisons where the biggest danger is to the prison officers.
If a prison is designed properly then the biggest danger will always be to its officers. That's how prisons work and is the point of the dangerous job prison officers are employed to do - and are underpaid for IMHO.
'Anyone who risks their life making the treacherous Channel crossing in a small boat must be fleeing something terrible'
Has become a woke truism
It obviously isn't true, and the crossing obviously isn't that dangerous - record numbers make it across safely all the time
It's more dangerous than delivering letters.
I'd cross the channel in a small boat to live in a Hampshire hotel instead of a Calais tent
Well thankfully for you, Blanche, that boisterous assertion will not be put to the test.
I might cross the Channel in a small boat one day to stay in a tent in Calais instead of a Hampshire hotel (I'll obviously have to get a bit closer to France than Hampshire when I depart)
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
What, being sent to a foreign prison at the whim of an erratic PM having committed no crime and having never been convicted of anything?
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
Who has Bukele sent abroad for comitting no crime?
OH! I see.
"No crime" here is a bit of a trap by the Right as it is quite possible that the individual concerned has committed a crime. However Bukele and Trump are between them imprisoning a person who is not subject to a prison sentence.
Habeas Corpus is still a law in this country. Doubtless you'd see it repealed as a bleeding-heart woke lefty inconvenience.
Does habeus corpus have any relevance in a society which literally seeks to imprison white people more often than black and brown people, on the basis of their skin colour? No. It doesn’t
The saddest thing is we must hope this is true. Little else looks likely to cut Trump down. The midterms are ages away and in any case might be rigged.
The Navios Alegria, which set off for Immingham from Australia last month, was shown to be off the coast of Senegal, West Africa, and not due to make landfall until Thursday.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
What, being sent to a foreign prison at the whim of an erratic PM having committed no crime and having never been convicted of anything?
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
Who has Bukele sent abroad for comitting no crime?
OH! I see.
"No crime" here is a bit of a trap by the Right as it is quite possible that the individual concerned has committed a crime. However Bukele and Trump are between them imprisoning a person who is not subject to a prison sentence.
Habeas Corpus is still a law in this country. Doubtless you'd see it repealed as a bleeding-heart woke lefty inconvenience.
Does habeus corpus have any relevance in a society which literally seeks to imprison white people more often than black and brown people, on the basis of their skin colour? No. It doesn’t
I appreciate you're winding me up and thank you for it. But I'm not biting.
I have a working assumption that most people are arseholes. Based on evidence such as this from the BBC:
"CCTV cameras installed as part of a crackdown on anti-social behaviour in part of Bradford were destroyed by vandals just hours after they were put up."
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
What, being sent to a foreign prison at the whim of an erratic PM having committed no crime and having never been convicted of anything?
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
As for me telling any sort of lie, it is actually you who is deliberately presenting a distorted picture. The purpose of a pre-sentencing report is *exactly* to list reasons why a long period in custody would be inappropriate, hence its mandatory application for pregnant women and new mothers. The notion that in the Britain of 2025, judges are sentencing black and ethnic minority people unduly harshly is a risible one. I said the same severity of crimes, not the same crimes - a clear and important distinction.
I have also not said anything that condoned the actions of the Trump Government in the case of this man. We could perhaps have a more constructive debate if you would read and comprehend my point before you respond to it.
Just to remind everyone that Parliament hasn’t nationalised British Steel. It has simply given the Secretary of State the power to exercise operational control over any steel undertaking in England and Wales in order to safeguard its continued operation.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
Okay, migration.
Are you still a supporter of unrestricted immigration from the EU ?
The saddest thing is we must hope this is true. Little else looks likely to cut Trump down. The midterms are ages away and in any case might be rigged.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
What, being sent to a foreign prison at the whim of an erratic PM having committed no crime and having never been convicted of anything?
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
Who has Bukele sent abroad for comitting no crime?
OH! I see.
"No crime" here is a bit of a trap by the Right as it is quite possible that the individual concerned has committed a crime. However Bukele and Trump are between them imprisoning a person who is not subject to a prison sentence.
Habeas Corpus is still a law in this country. Doubtless you'd see it repealed as a bleeding-heart woke lefty inconvenience.
No, I don't think you do see. My point had nothing to do with this man or his case.
Funny fact if true, even if presumably due to how few of them are left.
Every single Tory MP who was elected before 2010 (except for Mark Francois, Andrew Murrison and Andrew Rossindell) had been given a knighthood. All Privy Counsellors or have a knighthood except for Rossindell https://nitter.poast.org/residentadviser/status/1910783836042256558#m
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
Okay, migration.
Are you still a supporter of unrestricted immigration from the EU ?
No. I want zero net migration. Immigration is a disaster and multiculturalism is a catastrophe
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
That reminds me of Putin claiming he simply HAS to steal four provinces of Ukraine because he is bound by Russia's constitution which he himself changed and then ratified in referenda he elaborately rigged.
Funny how strongmen are only strong when they want to do something. When they don't, they're helpless prisoners of circumstance.
Inconsistent bullcrap is part of their justifications, unfortunately they know it provides enough cover or pretext a lot of the time as opponents get exhausted.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
Okay, migration.
Are you still a supporter of unrestricted immigration from the EU ?
No. I want zero net migration. Immigration is a disaster and multiculturalism is a catastrophe
You could have immigration of 10 million per year and still have zero net migration.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
Okay, migration.
Are you still a supporter of unrestricted immigration from the EU ?
No. I want zero net migration. Immigration is a disaster and multiculturalism is a catastrophe
You can have net zero migration but the ship has sailed on multiculturalism unless you’re planning to deport anyone who isn’t a christian.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
What, being sent to a foreign prison at the whim of an erratic PM having committed no crime and having never been convicted of anything?
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
Who has Bukele sent abroad for comitting no crime?
OH! I see.
"No crime" here is a bit of a trap by the Right as it is quite possible that the individual concerned has committed a crime. However Bukele and Trump are between them imprisoning a person who is not subject to a prison sentence.
Habeas Corpus is still a law in this country. Doubtless you'd see it repealed as a bleeding-heart woke lefty inconvenience.
Does habeus corpus have any relevance in a society which literally seeks to imprison white people more often than black and brown people, on the basis of their skin colour? No. It doesn’t
A lie.
Provocative the comment may be, a lie it is not. That is absolutely the stated outcome of the guidelines (thankfully shitcanned by the 'more right wing than DavidL' Justice Minister), and you quite clearly admit as much when you say that the guidelines are intended to 'mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes'. I mean you said it.
According to something I've just seen online, "Prometheus" is a de-facto remake of "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier". I am oddly drawn to this analogy.
I struggle to see that so would need more details of the tortured logic behind it, which is the kind of thing which can be fun.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
Okay, migration.
Are you still a supporter of unrestricted immigration from the EU ?
No. I want zero net migration. Immigration is a disaster and multiculturalism is a catastrophe
You could have immigration of 10 million per year and still have zero net migration.
Something something IQ.
I phrase it this way merely because I might be banned for phrasing it more bluntly. And that’s fair. @rcs1000 has covid and I don’t wish to trouble him
So I abide by the rules and it sometimes warps my commentary
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
Okay, migration.
Are you still a supporter of unrestricted immigration from the EU ?
No. I want zero net migration. Immigration is a disaster and multiculturalism is a catastrophe
You can have net zero migration but the ship has sailed on multiculturalism unless you’re planning to deport anyone who isn’t a christian.
Why? You don't have to deport people to support adherence to a single unifying culture.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
Okay, migration.
Are you still a supporter of unrestricted immigration from the EU ?
No. I want zero net migration. Immigration is a disaster and multiculturalism is a catastrophe
You can have net zero migration but the ship has sailed on multiculturalism unless you’re planning to deport anyone who isn’t a christian.
Why? You don't have to deport people to support adherence to a single unifying culture.
Because you can “support” what you want but without repression you can’t enforce a monoculture
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
It reminds me of the crap you hear from abusers: "look what you made me do." Its pathetic then and its pathetic when you say it. Those who voted for Trump are responsible for their actions and the consequences of their action. Attempting to blame others is, well, pathetic.
Arguments can be made about contributory factors and the like, but sheer deflections are obvious.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
Okay, migration.
Are you still a supporter of unrestricted immigration from the EU ?
No. I want zero net migration. Immigration is a disaster and multiculturalism is a catastrophe
You can have net zero migration but the ship has sailed on multiculturalism unless you’re planning to deport anyone who isn’t a christian.
Why? You don't have to deport people to support adherence to a single unifying culture.
Because you can “support” what you want but without repression you can’t enforce a monoculture
There's a spectrum. Switzerland doesn't ban other faiths (very few societies have) but it supports a single civic (and Christian based) democratic society, and did ban minarets on buildings after a referendum. I'm not advocating that, but Switzerland is a pretty good societal model.
It's not about 'enforcing' social conformity but currently we fund, support and foster movements whose stated aim is to divide us along sectional lines. Why do we do that?
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
Okay, migration.
Are you still a supporter of unrestricted immigration from the EU ?
No. I want zero net migration. Immigration is a disaster and multiculturalism is a catastrophe
You can have net zero migration but the ship has sailed on multiculturalism unless you’re planning to deport anyone who isn’t a christian.
Why? You don't have to deport people to support adherence to a single unifying culture.
Because you can “support” what you want but without repression you can’t enforce a monoculture
I don't think that we have ever had a monoculture, and bloody well hope that we never do.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
The slope isn't slippery; the frog isn't gradually getting boiled. Within its first hundred days the Trump administration has openly asserted the right/ power to seize and imprison anyone— including political dissidents, including citizens— and deprive them of any legal recourse at all.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
What, being sent to a foreign prison at the whim of an erratic PM having committed no crime and having never been convicted of anything?
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
Who has Bukele sent abroad for comitting no crime?
OH! I see.
"No crime" here is a bit of a trap by the Right as it is quite possible that the individual concerned has committed a crime. However Bukele and Trump are between them imprisoning a person who is not subject to a prison sentence.
Habeas Corpus is still a law in this country. Doubtless you'd see it repealed as a bleeding-heart woke lefty inconvenience.
Does habeus corpus have any relevance in a society which literally seeks to imprison white people more often than black and brown people, on the basis of their skin colour? No. It doesn’t
A lie.
Provocative the comment may be, a lie it is not. That is absolutely the stated outcome of the guidelines (thankfully shitcanned by the 'more right wing than DavidL' Justice Minister), and you quite clearly admit as much when you say that the guidelines are intended to 'mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes'. I mean you said it.
It's not. All they suggest is it might be worth doing a pre-sentence report when someone comes from an ethinic, religious or cultural minority. Or female. Or young. Or pregnant. Or a carer.
That's it. Given the significant disparities in sentence length for minorities, I think it's probably a reasonable safeguard to ensure that such disparities really are because the crimes are more severe rather than an inherent bias.
I guess I'm being wildly optimistic trying to persuade you of this, given you are comfortable with Trump deporting innocent American citizens.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
Okay, migration.
Are you still a supporter of unrestricted immigration from the EU ?
No. I want zero net migration. Immigration is a disaster and multiculturalism is a catastrophe
You can have net zero migration but the ship has sailed on multiculturalism unless you’re planning to deport anyone who isn’t a christian.
Why? You don't have to deport people to support adherence to a single unifying culture.
But I don't want to adhere to Christianity and I'm a pasty faced Brummie. Why can't I celebrate my agnosticism the way I choose?
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
It reminds me of the crap you hear from abusers: "look what you made me do." Its pathetic then and its pathetic when you say it. Those who voted for Trump are responsible for their actions and the consequences of their action. Attempting to blame others is, well, pathetic.
Arguments can be made about contributory factors and the like, but sheer deflections are obvious.
It’s not a fucking deflection to note that electorates across the west are voting for hard right or even far right parties and leaders because left wing policies of mass migration and multiculturalism have turned out to be disastrous
David Cameron and Angela Merkel both said the same thing. Multiculturalism has failed badly. And we are now dealing with the calamitous consequences even as this mass migration continues
What are voters meant to do? Vote for more of the same terrible failure? Clearly not. So they choose the only alternatives - which are now the far left or, more often, the far right. As we see across Europe
If you don’t want far right leaders don’t enact or continue policies which forcibly point voters that way
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
What, being sent to a foreign prison at the whim of an erratic PM having committed no crime and having never been convicted of anything?
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
Who has Bukele sent abroad for comitting no crime?
OH! I see.
"No crime" here is a bit of a trap by the Right as it is quite possible that the individual concerned has committed a crime. However Bukele and Trump are between them imprisoning a person who is not subject to a prison sentence.
Habeas Corpus is still a law in this country. Doubtless you'd see it repealed as a bleeding-heart woke lefty inconvenience.
Does habeus corpus have any relevance in a society which literally seeks to imprison white people more often than black and brown people, on the basis of their skin colour? No. It doesn’t
A lie.
Provocative the comment may be, a lie it is not. That is absolutely the stated outcome of the guidelines (thankfully shitcanned by the 'more right wing than DavidL' Justice Minister), and you quite clearly admit as much when you say that the guidelines are intended to 'mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes'. I mean you said it.
It's not. All they suggest is it might be worth doing a pre-sentence report when someone comes from an ethinic, religious or cultural minority. Or female. Or young. Or pregnant. Or a carer.
That's it. Given the significant disparities in sentence length for minorities, I think it's probably a reasonable safeguard to ensure that such disparities really are because the crimes are more severe rather than an inherent bias.
I guess I'm being wildly optimistic trying to persuade you of this, given you are comfortable with Trump deporting innocent American citizens.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
The slope isn't slippery; the frog isn't gradually getting boiled. Within its first hundred days the Trump administration has openly asserted the right/ power to seize and imprison anyone— including political dissidents, including citizens— and deprive them of any legal recourse at all.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
Okay, migration.
Are you still a supporter of unrestricted immigration from the EU ?
No. I want zero net migration. Immigration is a disaster and multiculturalism is a catastrophe
Well good to see that you've accepted your previous belief was bollox.
But what does zero net immigration mean in practice to you ?
And have you added any practical coherence to your demand of 'demolish the ghettoes' ?
It's easy to forget how much GDP trade generates. We all think about the "people working in factories generating things for export", but that's a tiny fraction of the economy affected by trade.
If an iPhone is imported into the US, well, the cost of that import counts against GDP (net exports), but there's a ton of work associated with getting that iPhone into the hands of consumers: advertising, rent, transport, shop assistants, customer support, etc.
If that iPhone is not imported into the US... then it doesn't need to be unloaded off the ship or plane, or transported from the dock, and Apple has fewer products to sell in its stores, so it cuts back on advertising.
And then there's other impact: fewer products to sell at any given price must mean that inflation rises. It's like a country voluntarily putting itself through the early 1970s oil shock. And then if the Fed raises interest rates, it means that housing transactions will grind to a halt. And it means no more equity release for US consumers.
US house prices to incomes are now above where they were on the eve of the Global Financial Crisis - 7.4x, against a peak of 6.8x in 2006/2007.
A lot of US consumer spending is held up by the wealth effect, which in turn is due to high house prices. (And Americans are much more likely to borrow against their houses to pay for current spending than Brits are.)
It could get very ugly for bank solvency if we were to see rising interest rates caused by tariff driven inflation, causing house price growth to go into reverse.
But the signal that is flashing most red of all is high yield corporate bonds.
Back before the GFC, the stock market was all. This time, it's Private Equity. PE firms borrowed at near zero interest rates and took companies private.
This is the subprime debt market. And it looks really, really ugly. Yields have moved from 6.5% before the US Presidential election to 8.6% now. The last time it looked so bad was during Covid, and it was only massive government intervention that stopped huge numbers of corporate insolvencies.
Before it was banks who were leveraged: now it is corporates.
Basically, it is far from impossible that we are walking into a GFC type situation.
Just to remind everyone that Parliament hasn’t nationalised British Steel. It has simply given the Secretary of State the power to exercise operational control over any steel undertaking in England and Wales in order to safeguard its continued operation.
Factually incorrect. The legislation specifically refers to England.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
What, being sent to a foreign prison at the whim of an erratic PM having committed no crime and having never been convicted of anything?
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
Who has Bukele sent abroad for comitting no crime?
OH! I see.
"No crime" here is a bit of a trap by the Right as it is quite possible that the individual concerned has committed a crime. However Bukele and Trump are between them imprisoning a person who is not subject to a prison sentence.
Habeas Corpus is still a law in this country. Doubtless you'd see it repealed as a bleeding-heart woke lefty inconvenience.
Does habeus corpus have any relevance in a society which literally seeks to imprison white people more often than black and brown people, on the basis of their skin colour? No. It doesn’t
A lie.
Provocative the comment may be, a lie it is not. That is absolutely the stated outcome of the guidelines (thankfully shitcanned by the 'more right wing than DavidL' Justice Minister), and you quite clearly admit as much when you say that the guidelines are intended to 'mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes'. I mean you said it.
It's not. All they suggest is it might be worth doing a pre-sentence report when someone comes from an ethinic, religious or cultural minority. Or female. Or young. Or pregnant. Or a carer.
That's it. Given the significant disparities in sentence length for minorities, I think it's probably a reasonable safeguard to ensure that such disparities really are because the crimes are more severe rather than an inherent bias.
I guess I'm being wildly optimistic trying to persuade you of this, given you are comfortable with Trump deporting innocent American citizens.
I have said several times that my comments in this thread are completely unrelated to the Trump administration. They are about Bukele and whether or not his presence should make people feel 'physically ill'. Please don't be deliberately obtuse - it's rather tiresome.
Of course it 'might' be worth doing a presentencing report from someone from an ethnic minority. It might also be worth doing one for someone white. What the sentencing council tried to put in place was a blanket rule that applied to anyone non-white, be they a penniless Somali migrant or Prince Mohammed Bin Salman. That is discrimination on the basis of skin colour, and no you're not going to convince me that it isn't, because it is simply objective fact.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
It reminds me of the crap you hear from abusers: "look what you made me do." Its pathetic then and its pathetic when you say it. Those who voted for Trump are responsible for their actions and the consequences of their action. Attempting to blame others is, well, pathetic.
Arguments can be made about contributory factors and the like, but sheer deflections are obvious.
It’s not a fucking deflection to note that electorates across the west are voting for hard right or even far right parties and leaders because left wing policies of mass migration and multiculturalism have turned out to be disastrous
That't not all people do though, and we all know that. There are people who seriously see X do Y (let's call it Trump doing, well, any number of Trumpy things), and go, well, it is actually the fault of Z. And even if Z helped set the conditions, X are still responsible for their own choices.
That's difference between a deflection and actual consideration of culpability of others. The key to whether someone is being sincere or whether they are just rage baiting or trolling is whether they excuse the agency of X or blame Z entirely or not. Basically whether someone actually wants to have a conversation about things or just blast one side.
If someone wants to suggest people (say Democrats in the US) have absolutely no role in why people turned to their opponents I think that is fairly criticised, because people did not turn to Trump in a vacuum, and in other places don't turn to authoritarian options ina vacuum. But that doesn't require excusing the active party on a specific issue, which all too often people do.
I think it is pretty easy to see when people are being sincere - even if they get dramatic or intemperate - and when they are just looking to blast one side or the other. This isn't an advocation for, say, Democrats, to go full AOC/Bernie or something, or that there are not issues on immigration which the public here do think are ignored.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
No idea what you mean. You might mean that UK prisons should have a tougher regime, which is a sane position though I don't agree; or you may mean we should lock people up without trial following illegal rendition. As this is the current urgent issue issue, I think you should be a bit clearer.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
He doesn't make my skin crawl whatsoever.
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
What, being sent to a foreign prison at the whim of an erratic PM having committed no crime and having never been convicted of anything?
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
Who has Bukele sent abroad for comitting no crime?
OH! I see.
"No crime" here is a bit of a trap by the Right as it is quite possible that the individual concerned has committed a crime. However Bukele and Trump are between them imprisoning a person who is not subject to a prison sentence.
Habeas Corpus is still a law in this country. Doubtless you'd see it repealed as a bleeding-heart woke lefty inconvenience.
Does habeus corpus have any relevance in a society which literally seeks to imprison white people more often than black and brown people, on the basis of their skin colour? No. It doesn’t
We live in a society that locks up black and brown people more often than white people. And a society that has the courage to recognise that and seek to do something about it. We should be proud of it.
Scoop: The UK has signaled to the EU that it's open to accept the dynamic alignment of rules on agrifood products + supervision of the ECJ over the SPS deal it wants to negotiate. Big shift in UK position.
A reporter asks Bukele if Kilmar Ábrego García will be returned to the US.
"How can I return a criminal to the US? Smuggle a terrorist in?," Bukele replies.
He then calls the question "absurd" and says he won't release Ábrego García because he isn't fond of releasing people from his prisons.
"The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."
Which means, if the US government doesn't contradict this, that the Trump administration has taken to itself the power to disappear people, innocent or guilty.
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 13m Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
He makes the skin crawl of any right thinking person anywhere. Oh America, what the hell have you done?
It’s the inevitable endpoint of woke leftism. The people will voluntarily elect right wing strongmen
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
Okay, migration.
Are you still a supporter of unrestricted immigration from the EU ?
No. I want zero net migration. Immigration is a disaster and multiculturalism is a catastrophe
You can have net zero migration but the ship has sailed on multiculturalism unless you’re planning to deport anyone who isn’t a christian.
Why? You don't have to deport people to support adherence to a single unifying culture.
But I don't want to adhere to Christianity and I'm a pasty faced Brummie. Why can't I celebrate my agnosticism the way I choose?
Nobody is saying you have to, I was just disputing the point that to end multiculturalism you need to deport everyone who doesn't belong to the host culture.
It's easy to forget how much GDP trade generates. We all think about the "people working in factories generating things for export", but that's a tiny fraction of the economy affected by trade.
If an iPhone is imported into the US, well, the cost of that import counts against GDP (net exports), but there's a ton of work associated with getting that iPhone into the hands of consumers: advertising, rent, transport, shop assistants, customer support, etc.
If that iPhone is not imported into the US... then it doesn't need to be unloaded off the ship or plane, or transported from the dock, and Apple has fewer products to sell in its stores, so it cuts back on advertising.
And then there's other impact: fewer products to sell at any given price must mean that inflation rises. It's like a country voluntarily putting itself through the early 1970s oil shock. And then if the Fed raises interest rates, it means that housing transactions will grind to a halt. And it means no more equity release for US consumers.
US house prices to incomes are now above where they were on the eve of the Global Financial Crisis - 7.4x, against a peak of 6.8x in 2006/2007.
A lot of US consumer spending is held up by the wealth effect, which in turn is due to high house prices. (And Americans are much more likely to borrow against their houses to pay for current spending than Brits are.)
It could get very ugly for bank solvency if we were to see rising interest rates caused by tariff driven inflation, causing house price growth to go into reverse.
But the signal that is flashing most red of all is high yield corporate bonds.
Back before the GFC, the stock market was all. This time, it's Private Equity. PE firms borrowed at near zero interest rates and took companies private.
This is the subprime debt market. And it looks really, really ugly. Yields have moved from 6.5% before the US Presidential election to 8.6% now. The last time it looked so bad was during Covid, and it was only massive government intervention that stopped huge numbers of corporate insolvencies.
Before it was banks who were leveraged: now it is corporates.
Basically, it is far from impossible that we are walking into a GFC type situation.
I guess there is a big difference mind: in 2007/2008, the GFC happened by accident. This time, it's possible that the US government will literally be driving headlong towards a financial crisis with their foot on the accelerator, yelling "Yee ha!".
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Number 3 just happened.
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/bukele-abrego-garcia-and-red-lines
...But if it’s number 3?
Let us speak plainly: Nayib Bukele is a minor strongman who will do whatever Donald Trump demands of him. If Trump wants Abrego Garcia in the United States, then Bukele will return him. By the same token, if Bukele understands that Trump does not want Abrego Garcia returned, then he will keep the man.
Bukele has no interests in this game other than pleasing his political patron. His exercise of Salvadoran “sovereignty” can only be read as an expression of Donald Trump’s will.
Anyone who asserts otherwise is either a villain or a fool.
So if Bukele affirmatively refuses to repatriate Abrego Garcia, it will mean that Trump has told him not to.
At which point the Supreme Court will face a choice.
Surrender or escalation?..
It is our pathetic need for excess consumption and the need to sell pretty much anything to fund it that got us in this mess. We need to do something about these past mistakes. Above all, I hope we can learn from them.
@BillKristol
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Watching Trump and Bukele in the Oval Office just now made me feel physically ill.
Mikenzie Frost
@MikenzieFrost
NEWS: Sen. Chris Van Hollen requested a meeting w/Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele this week to talk about MD father Kilmar Abrego Garcia's return.
"If Kilmar is not home by midweek – I plan to travel to El Salvador this week to check on his condition and discuss his release."
https://x.com/MikenzieFrost/status/1911755696325935120
Jim Sciutto
@jimsciutto
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How will this Supreme Court react to the U.S. president defying its explicit order?
https://x.com/jimsciutto/status/1911826115829563397
The exact same thing will happen in the UK if we don’t reverse course on multiple crucial issues. Firstly, migration
How many times do the centrist dads need to be told this?
To be fair to Rishi he did tighten visa wage requirements for migrants and reduce the ability of dependents to be brought in too
Most because they either don’t realise, don’t agree it’s wrong or don’t want to get into trouble with the boss but for Trump it’s just sheer arrogance and hubris.
He will not remotely accept Tariffs are wrong, his Ukraine/Russia strategy is wrong or his El Salvador/deportation strategy is wrong so the mistakes will go uncorrected and doubled down on to save his pride and America and the world can go hang.
And talking of hanging, I wonder with the likes of Rubio (who isn’t completely malevolent and stupid) there is an element of “we must, indeed, all hang together or most assuredly we shall hang separately”.
https://x.com/nbcsnl/status/1911283030670328185
Has become a woke truism
It obviously isn't true, and the crossing obviously isn't that dangerous - record numbers make it across safely all the time
I think most would quite like a bit of the Bukele approach within the British justice system, rather than it being populated with people who think a 'by no means bleeding-heart liberal' view is that people from ethnic and religious minorities should serve lower sentences for the same severity of crime.
https://bsky.app/profile/jacobtlevy.bsky.social/post/3lmryxfda722t
But whatever happens, it won't be the responsibility of Trump or his acolytes. Because it never is.
Absolutely fucking not. And if a lefty PM tried to do that to someone like you, I'd be out on the streets fighting your cause even if you would never return the favour.
(Your last bit is a blatant inverted lie. The purpose of the guidance was to try and mitigate the issue of minorities getting longer sentences for the same crimes).
If job X goes then the equal pay thing goes.
But job X gets an extra 2 or 3K a year iirc.
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmrzhcf5k22v
If the Starmer Government rounded you up and sent you to El Salvador you might feel equally aggrieved.
Or were you making a different point? It's hard to tell.
Brian Krassenstein
@krassenstein
BREAKING: Last week’s trade data shows an incredibly bleak picture for the economy:
- 49% drop in global container bookings
- 64% drop in U.S. imports.
- 30% drop in U.S. exports.
If this continues for more than a few weeks, there is no doubt in my mind that we are headed for one of the worst recessions in our lifetime.
https://x.com/krassenstein/status/1911724263649714585
We currently have prisons where the biggest danger is to the prison officers.
The vessel was shown as bound for Immingham from the US and listed as having arrived last Thursday. Rather than enter the port and unload, however, it appears to have remained offshore, holding its position for several days.
Government having trouble with payment processor accepting their credit card?
https://x.com/tehrantimes79/status/1911833849518043229?s=61
"No crime" here is a bit of a trap by the Right as it is quite possible that the individual concerned has committed a crime. However Bukele and Trump are between them imprisoning a person who is not subject to a prison sentence.
Habeas Corpus is still a law in this country. Doubtless you'd see it repealed as a bleeding-heart woke lefty inconvenience.
But - trust me - you'd miss it if it was gone.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/14/the-ships-crucial-to-saving-britains-steel-industry/
The minister this morning said the coal was coming from Japan....
"CCTV cameras installed as part of a crackdown on anti-social behaviour in part of Bradford were destroyed by vandals just hours after they were put up."
https://www.nius.de/kriminalitaet/news/hochhaus-drama-in-hamburg-syrer-warf-15-jaehrigen-aus-dem-achten-stock/100a2ec1-544a-4f36-89d3-f1fb9644d2f0
https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3lms3ts6im22h
I have also not said anything that condoned the actions of the Trump Government in the case of this man. We could perhaps have a more constructive debate if you would read and comprehend my point before you respond to it.
I have Covid again, and it's making me grumpy as f*ck, so I think you should all watch your manners on here if you don't want to face the ban hammer.
Are you still a supporter of unrestricted immigration from the EU ?
Bring on the strongmen. Who else will end this?
https://x.com/spencerhakimian/status/1911625162564198850?s=61
Every single Tory MP who was elected before 2010 (except for Mark Francois, Andrew Murrison and Andrew Rossindell) had been given a knighthood. All Privy Counsellors or have a knighthood except for Rossindell
https://nitter.poast.org/residentadviser/status/1910783836042256558#m
Something something IQ.
So I abide by the rules and it sometimes warps my commentary
https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/56375/the-rule-of-law-by-tom-bingham/9780141034539
I'll be in Biarritz a week Saturday eating fresh anchovies
I'm starting to get quite excited
Take it easy. Covid is still a nasty bug.
And bon voyage, too. I really enjoy your peregrinations. Not least because you are one of the few people that seems to enjoy a drink as much as me
It's not about 'enforcing' social conformity but currently we fund, support and foster movements whose stated aim is to divide us along sectional lines. Why do we do that?
Didn't the Third Reich use prisons/ camps outside Germany?
That's it. Given the significant disparities in sentence length for minorities, I think it's probably a reasonable safeguard to ensure that such disparities really are because the crimes are more severe rather than an inherent bias.
I guess I'm being wildly optimistic trying to persuade you of this, given you are comfortable with Trump deporting innocent American citizens.
David Cameron and Angela Merkel both said the same thing. Multiculturalism has failed badly. And we are now dealing with the calamitous consequences even as this mass migration continues
What are voters meant to do? Vote for more of the same terrible failure? Clearly not. So they choose the only alternatives - which are now the far left or, more often, the far right. As we see across Europe
If you don’t want far right leaders don’t enact or continue policies which forcibly point voters that way
But what does zero net immigration mean in practice to you ?
And have you added any practical coherence to your demand of 'demolish the ghettoes' ?
It's easy to forget how much GDP trade generates. We all think about the "people working in factories generating things for export", but that's a tiny fraction of the economy affected by trade.
If an iPhone is imported into the US, well, the cost of that import counts against GDP (net exports), but there's a ton of work associated with getting that iPhone into the hands of consumers: advertising, rent, transport, shop assistants, customer support, etc.
If that iPhone is not imported into the US... then it doesn't need to be unloaded off the ship or plane, or transported from the dock, and Apple has fewer products to sell in its stores, so it cuts back on advertising.
And then there's other impact: fewer products to sell at any given price must mean that inflation rises. It's like a country voluntarily putting itself through the early 1970s oil shock. And then if the Fed raises interest rates, it means that housing transactions will grind to a halt. And it means no more equity release for US consumers.
US house prices to incomes are now above where they were on the eve of the Global Financial Crisis - 7.4x, against a peak of 6.8x in 2006/2007.
A lot of US consumer spending is held up by the wealth effect, which in turn is due to high house prices. (And Americans are much more likely to borrow against their houses to pay for current spending than Brits are.)
It could get very ugly for bank solvency if we were to see rising interest rates caused by tariff driven inflation, causing house price growth to go into reverse.
But the signal that is flashing most red of all is high yield corporate bonds.
Back before the GFC, the stock market was all. This time, it's Private Equity. PE firms borrowed at near zero interest rates and took companies private.
This is the subprime debt market. And it looks really, really ugly. Yields have moved from 6.5% before the US Presidential election to 8.6% now. The last time it looked so bad was during Covid, and it was only massive government intervention that stopped huge numbers of corporate insolvencies.
Before it was banks who were leveraged: now it is corporates.
Basically, it is far from impossible that we are walking into a GFC type situation.
Of course it 'might' be worth doing a presentencing report from someone from an ethnic minority. It might also be worth doing one for someone white. What the sentencing council tried to put in place was a blanket rule that applied to anyone non-white, be they a penniless Somali migrant or Prince Mohammed Bin Salman. That is discrimination on the basis of skin colour, and no you're not going to convince me that it isn't, because it is simply objective fact.
That's difference between a deflection and actual consideration of culpability of others. The key to whether someone is being sincere or whether they are just rage baiting or trolling is whether they excuse the agency of X or blame Z entirely or not. Basically whether someone actually wants to have a conversation about things or just blast one side.
If someone wants to suggest people (say Democrats in the US) have absolutely no role in why people turned to their opponents I think that is fairly criticised, because people did not turn to Trump in a vacuum, and in other places don't turn to authoritarian options ina vacuum. But that doesn't require excusing the active party on a specific issue, which all too often people do.
I think it is pretty easy to see when people are being sincere - even if they get dramatic or intemperate - and when they are just looking to blast one side or the other. This isn't an advocation for, say, Democrats, to go full AOC/Bernie or something, or that there are not issues on immigration which the public here do think are ignored.
@EllenAMilligan
Scoop: The UK has signaled to the EU that it's open to accept the dynamic alignment of rules on agrifood products + supervision of the ECJ over the SPS deal it wants to negotiate. Big shift in UK position.
https://x.com/EllenAMilligan/status/1911821425520062592