A Unionist speaks once again (I'll leave the URL visible just in case anyone thinks I'm trying to hide his identity):
'Scotland – currency union obvious, ‘No’ campaign messages of hate a disaster
...Some prominent members of the No campaign are calling for the sacking of the minister who’s dared to speak the simple truth. Well let’s not be rose-tinted lensed about politics, but seriously – actually sack someone for saying something which is not only the truth but which most Scots agree is the truth? The No campaign is simply a disaster. Its purpose seems to be to champion hate and negativity about Scotland. Naturally the polls are going the other way in response. It’s patently ridiculous to everyone, it’s treating Scots like inferiors and fools, to argue that Scotland couldn’t hack it as an independent state and that all our neighbours would harm themselves in order to disrespect an independent Scotland.'
'Danny Alexander: decision to rule out currency union with Scotland ... www.theguardian.com › News › Politics › Danny Alexander 7 Mar 2014 - Nicholas Watt, chief political correspondent ... In his speech, Alexander likened a currency union with an independent Scotland ... In the event that Scotland did vote yes, I would argue just as forcefully against a currency union.
A Unionist speaks once again (I'll leave the URL visible just in case anyone thinks I'm trying to hide his identity):
'Scotland – currency union obvious, ‘No’ campaign messages of hate a disaster
...Some prominent members of the No campaign are calling for the sacking of the minister who’s dared to speak the simple truth. Well let’s not be rose-tinted lensed about politics, but seriously – actually sack someone for saying something which is not only the truth but which most Scots agree is the truth? The No campaign is simply a disaster. Its purpose seems to be to champion hate and negativity about Scotland. Naturally the polls are going the other way in response. It’s patently ridiculous to everyone, it’s treating Scots like inferiors and fools, to argue that Scotland couldn’t hack it as an independent state and that all our neighbours would harm themselves in order to disrespect an independent Scotland.'
Quite. This whole PB tory 'No' nonsense is just petulant spite from a small child which objects to the reality of its powerlessness.
I think the PB tory consensus is not necessarily for "No".
I agree that there is too much petulant spite where there shouldn't be any, but I am afraid there will be more of the same in the English press post-Yes. Just think how easy, and effective, it would be to spin a currency union as "Mili/Cam pledges OUR money to underwrite Glasgow dole-moles".
A Unionist speaks once again (I'll leave the URL visible just in case anyone thinks I'm trying to hide his identity):
'Scotland – currency union obvious, ‘No’ campaign messages of hate a disaster
...Some prominent members of the No campaign are calling for the sacking of the minister who’s dared to speak the simple truth. Well let’s not be rose-tinted lensed about politics, but seriously – actually sack someone for saying something which is not only the truth but which most Scots agree is the truth? The No
Quite. This whole PB tory 'No' nonsense is just petulant spite from a small child which objects to the reality of its powerlessness.
I think the PB tory consensus is not necessarily for "No".
I agree that there is too much petulant spite where there shouldn't be any, but I am afraid there will be more of the same in the English press post-Yes. Just think how easy, and effective, it would be to spin a currency union as "Mili/Cam pledges OUR money to underwrite Glasgow dole-moles".
If Scottyland votes YES there isn't a bucket big enough to contain the shit that will be poured over Scottylands head. And rightly so.
I've just spent the evening with local politicians and councillors, discussing Fire Service cuts. I may as well have had a chat with a wheely bin. One thing I have learned,though, is that we have a few "politically sensitive" Fire Stations in our county. One of them, I knew about, but the other two, I didn't realise their significance. It's almost Machiavellian!
James Forsyth @JGForsyth Awful 2 days for the Unionist campaign. Scottish Daily Mail front page and now @nicholaswatt exclusive that threatens no pound sharing line
A Unionist speaks once again (I'll leave the URL visible just in case anyone thinks I'm trying to hide his identity):
'Scotland – currency union obvious, ‘No’ campaign messages of hate a disaster
...Some prominent members of the No campaign are calling for the sacking of the minister who’s dared to speak the simple truth. Well let’s not be rose-tinted lensed about politics, but seriously – actually sack someone for saying something which is not only the truth but which most Scots agree is the truth? The No campaign is simply a disaster. Its purpose seems to be to champion hate and negativity about Scotland. Naturally the polls are going the other way in response. It’s patently ridiculous to everyone, it’s treating Scots like inferiors and fools, to argue that Scotland couldn’t hack it as an independent state and that all our neighbours would harm themselves in order to disrespect an independent Scotland.'
Quite. This whole PB tory 'No' nonsense is just petulant spite from a small child which objects to the reality of its powerlessness.
I think the PB tory consensus is not necessarily for "No".
I agree that there is too much petulant spite where there shouldn't be any, but I am afraid there will be more of the same in the English press post-Yes.
So what? Let them shriek. The idea that a currency union will be at the heart of any of the unionist parties campaign in 2015 is delusional nonsense. It's still ranked near the bottom in eighth place as most important issues in scotland after all. So you would have to be remarkably dumb to think it's going to be some election 'winner' or be front and centre in 2015.
Just think how easy, and effective, it would be to spin a currency union as "Mili/Cam pledges OUR money to underwrite Glasgow dole-moles".
If by "easy and effective" you actually mean convoluted nonsense then you'd be bang on. A few deranged right-wing halfwits might believe it but what about sane people?
And spun by who exactly if you rule out Cam and Ed? Clegg??? Hardly. Farage? Who cares. He'll get enough votes to scare the sh*t out of tories and ruin their day in a great many marginals, but even one kipper MP is still very far from assured.
About that Coalition minister - he's talking through his rectum if he thinks that extending the life of Trident at Faslane is practicable. Any SNP government which agreed to that would be instantly overthrown by Ms Lamont + Co who would all of a sudden have discovered their CND roots, anything to get their revenge on the SNP, and likewise the LDs (now also independent of London Control). There would even be a few people voting out of principle, i.e. the Greens and independents, plus some SNP, and perhaps even the Scottish Tories. Exactly the same applies to the true nightmare scenario of Labour in charge thereafter.
Surely it depends on how much rent can be charged for leasing Faslane?
A Unionist speaks once again (I'll leave the URL visible just in case anyone thinks I'm trying to hide his identity):
'Scotland – currency union obvious, ‘No’ campaign messages of hate a disaster
...Some prominent members of the No campaign are calling for the sacking of the minister who’s dared to speak the simple truth. Well let’s not be rose-tinted lensed about politics, but seriously – actually sack someone for saying something which is not only the truth but which most Scots agree is the truth? The No campaign is simply a disaster. Its purpose seems to be to champion hate and negativity about Scotland. Naturally the polls are going the other way in response. It’s patently ridiculous to everyone, it’s treating Scots like inferiors and fools, to argue that Scotland couldn’t hack it as an independent state and that all our neighbours would harm themselves in order to disrespect an independent Scotland.'
Quite. This whole PB tory 'No' nonsense is just petulant spite from a small child which objects to the reality of its powerlessness.
I think the PB tory consensus is not necessarily for "No".
I agree that there is too much petulant spite where there shouldn't be any, but I am afraid there will be more of the same in the English press post-Yes.
So what? Let them shriek. The idea that a currency union will be at the heart of any of the unionist parties campaign in 2015 is delusional nonsense. It's still ranked near the bottom in eighth place as important issues in scotland after all. So you would have to be remarkably dumb to think it's going to be some election 'winner' or be front and centre in 2015.
Just think how easy, and effective, it would be to spin a currency union as "Mili/Cam pledges OUR money to underwrite Glasgow dole-moles".
If by "easy and effective" you actually mean convoluted nonsense then you'd be bang on. A few deranged right-wing halfwits might believe it but what about sane people?
And spun by who exactly if you rule out Cam and Ed? Clegg??? Hardly. Farage? Who cares. He'll get enough votes to scare the sh*t out of tories and ruin their day in a great many marginals, but even one kipper MP is still very far from assured.
Spun by the press to scare Mili/Cam out of a currency agreement. and it would be no more nonsensical than "EU bans bendy cucumbers" or "2 million Romanians set to invade".
A Unionist speaks once again (I'll leave the URL visible just in case anyone thinks I'm trying to hide his identity):
'Scotland – currency union obvious, ‘No’ campaign messages of hate a disaster
...Some prominent members of the No campaign are calling for the sacking of the minister who’s dared to speak the simple truth. Well let’s not be rose-tinted lensed about politics, but seriously – actually sack someone for saying something which is not only the truth but which most Scots agree is the truth? The No campaign is simply a disaster. Its purpose seems to be to champion hate and negativity about Scotland. Naturally the polls are going the other way in response. It’s patently ridiculous to everyone, it’s treating Scots like inferiors and fools, to argue that Scotland couldn’t hack it as an independent state and that all our neighbours would harm themselves in order to disrespect an independent Scotland.'
Quite. This whole PB tory 'No' nonsense is just petulant spite from a small child which objects to the reality of its powerlessness.
I think the PB tory consensus is not necessarily for "No".
I agree that there is too much petulant spite where there shouldn't be any, but I am afraid there will be more of the same in the English press post-Yes.
So what? Let them shriek. The idea that a currency union will be at the heart of any of the unionist parties campaign in 2015 is delusional nonsense. It's still ranked near the bottom in eighth place as important issues in scotland after all. So you would have to be remarkably dumb to think it's going to be some election 'winner' or be front and centre in 2015.
Just think how easy, and effective, it would be to spin a currency union as "Mili/Cam pledges OUR money to underwrite Glasgow dole-moles".
If by "easy and effective" you actually mean convoluted nonsense then you'd be bang on. A few deranged right-wing halfwits might believe it but what about sane people?
And spun by who exactly if you rule out Cam and Ed? Clegg??? Hardly. Farage? Who cares. He'll get enough votes to scare the sh*t out of tories and ruin their day in a great many marginals, but even one kipper MP is still very far from assured.
Spun by the press to scare Mili/Cam out of a currency agreement. and it would be no more nonsensical than "EU bans bendy cucumbers" or "2 million Romanians set to invade".
Maybe they could spin that it causes TB as that seems to be shifting tabloids right now.
Quite. This whole PB tory 'No' nonsense is just petulant spite from a small child which objects to the reality of its powerlessness.
I think the PB tory consensus is not necessarily for "No".
I agree that there is too much petulant spite where there shouldn't be any, but I am afraid there will be more of the same in the English press post-Yes.
So what? Let them shriek. The idea that a currency union will be at the heart of any of the unionist parties campaign in 2015 is delusional nonsense. It's still ranked near the bottom in eighth place as most important issues in scotland after all. So you would have to be remarkably dumb to think it's going to be some election 'winner' or be front and centre in 2015.
Just think how easy, and effective, it would be to spin a currency union as "Mili/Cam pledges OUR money to underwrite Glasgow dole-moles".
If by "easy and effective" you actually mean convoluted nonsense then you'd be bang on. A few deranged right-wing halfwits might believe it but what about sane people?
For those in England who are not apathetic about the union or supproters of Scottish independence, the emotional hurt at the breakup of the union would make it quite easy to whip up a hostile attitude to anything that could be portrayed as a concession, I assure you. It might not take the form of the example you mock above, but it need not be that blunt to be effective. To suggest it would only work on a few 'deranged right-wing halfwits' is to willfully ignore it as a potential impact.
It may not become a majority view, and it might not work, but it will occur to some degree, and it could have a major impact, and I do not think it deserves the scornful dismissal that you would reserve for Cameron and his cohorts commenting upon what the Scottish people truly believe, as if they would be excellent judgers of that.
The negotiations with a post-Yes Scotland may end up going fairly smoothly, but I am sure Yes are preparing for the possibility of it being bitter and protracted, and it is only sensible to do so, it should not be dismissed so flippantly.
Quite. This whole PB tory 'No' nonsense is just petulant spite from a small child which objects to the reality of its powerlessness.
I think the PB tory consensus is not necessarily for "No".
I agree that there is too much petulant spite where there shouldn't be any, but I am afraid there will be more of the same in the English press post-Yes.
So what? Let them shriek. The idea that a currency union will be at the heart of any of the unionist parties campaign in 2015 is delusional nonsense. It's still ranked near the bottom in eighth place as most important issues in scotland after all. So you would have to be remarkably dumb to think it's going to be some election 'winner' or be front and centre in 2015.
Just think how easy, and effective, it would be to spin a currency union as "Mili/Cam pledges OUR money to underwrite Glasgow dole-moles".
If by "easy and effective" you actually mean convoluted nonsense then you'd be bang on. A few deranged right-wing halfwits might believe it but what about sane people?
It may not become a majority view, and it might not work, but it will occur to some degree, and it could have a major impact, and I do not think it deserves the scornful dismissal that you would reserve for Cameron and his cohorts commenting upon what the Scottish people truly believe, as if they would be excellent judgers of that.
"No currency union" is the majority view, in the only place that matters for a currency union - rUK.
I've just spent the evening with local politicians and councillors, discussing Fire Service cuts. I may as well have had a chat with a wheely bin. One thing I have learned,though, is that we have a few "politically sensitive" Fire Stations in our county. One of them, I knew about, but the other two, I didn't realise their significance. It's almost Machiavellian!
About that Coalition minister - he's talking through his rectum if he thinks that extending the life of Trident at Faslane is practicable. Any SNP government which agreed to that would be instantly overthrown by Ms Lamont + Co who would all of a sudden have discovered their CND roots, anything to get their revenge on the SNP, and likewise the LDs (now also independent of London Control). There would even be a few people voting out of principle, i.e. the Greens and independents, plus some SNP, and perhaps even the Scottish Tories. Exactly the same applies to the true nightmare scenario of Labour in charge thereafter.
Surely it depends on how much rent can be charged for leasing Faslane?
It won't be that rational. Labour in Scotland will be only too delighted to do that, even if it brings on the next Scottish GE with, to put it mildly, unpredictable results - but results that would be even more unpredictable if the SNP were seen as nuke enthusiasts.
Quite. This whole PB tory 'No' nonsense is just petulant spite from a small child which objects to the reality of its powerlessness.
I think the PB tory consensus is not necessarily for "No".
I agree that there is too much petulant spite where there shouldn't be any, but I am afraid there will be more of the same in the English press post-Yes.
So what? Let them shriek. The idea that a currency union will be at the heart of any of the unionist parties campaign in 2015 is delusional nonsense. It's still ranked near the bottom in eighth place as most important issues in scotland after all. So you would have to be remarkably dumb to think it's going to be some election 'winner' or be front and centre in 2015.
Just think how easy, and effective, it would be to spin a currency union as "Mili/Cam pledges OUR money to underwrite Glasgow dole-moles".
If by "easy and effective" you actually mean convoluted nonsense then you'd be bang on. A few deranged right-wing halfwits might believe it but what about sane people?
The negotiations with a post-Yes Scotland may end up going fairly smoothly, but I am sure Yes are preparing for the possibility of it being bitter and protracted, and it is only sensible to do so, it should not be dismissed so flippantly.
Yes, as one of the many in England with deep Scottish connections, born there and spent 15 years of my life there, I am distressed at any divorce that is less than amicable. That's why I'm angry about the brinksmanship of the BT campaign. Their nuclear option is worse for all.
I wonder if there are divisions higher up in the English Tory Party about the desirability of a 'Yes' vote. I have never seen the press comment on speculate on it.
Quite. This whole PB tory 'No' nonsense is just petulant spite from a small child which objects to the reality of its powerlessness.
I think the PB tory consensus is not necessarily for "No".
I agree that there is too much petulant spite where there shouldn't be any, but I am afraid there will be more of the same in the English press post-Yes.
So what? Let them shriek. The idea that a currency union will be at the heart of any of the unionist parties campaign in 2015 is delusional nonsense. It's still ranked near the bottom in eighth place as most important issues in scotland after all. So you would have to be remarkably dumb to think it's going to be some election 'winner' or be front and centre in 2015.
Just think how easy, and effective, it would be to spin a currency union as "Mili/Cam pledges OUR money to underwrite Glasgow dole-moles".
If by "easy and effective" you actually mean convoluted nonsense then you'd be bang on. A few deranged right-wing halfwits might believe it but what about sane people?
It may not become a majority view, and it might not work, but it will occur to some degree, and it could have a major impact, and I do not think it deserves the scornful dismissal that you would reserve for Cameron and his cohorts commenting upon what the Scottish people truly believe, as if they would be excellent judgers of that.
"No currency union" is the majority view, in the only place that matters for a currency union - rUK.
I was referring more to the overtly hostile attitude that could develop around the idea of a currency union in the event of independence. People against it now might change their minds come a Yes vote, or indeed they could double down and become not just against it but incredibly against it and that hostile attitude would have a major role in contextualising the negotiations and what each side felt they could openly ask for (I presume the mandarins will do the major work behind the scenes), I would not want to rule either out.
I've just spent the evening with local politicians and councillors, discussing Fire Service cuts. I may as well have had a chat with a wheely bin. One thing I have learned,though, is that we have a few "politically sensitive" Fire Stations in our county. One of them, I knew about, but the other two, I didn't realise their significance. It's almost Machiavellian!
I was thinking more where the councillors might live ...
I've just spent the evening with local politicians and councillors, discussing Fire Service cuts. I may as well have had a chat with a wheely bin. One thing I have learned,though, is that we have a few "politically sensitive" Fire Stations in our county. One of them, I knew about, but the other two, I didn't realise their significance. It's almost Machiavellian!
Fox, on one of 'em, you're hotter than Monica Bellucci in stockings, but not for the reason you give. That swanky HQ is amazing. Doesn't put many fires out, but at least most of it's inhabitants are safe, unlike about 70 operational firefighters, who might be looking for another job soon. I've had a drink, and had better shut up! Just to add, you won't get so many good looking, strapping, young fireys showing up, when someone burns the toast at the Windsor ward.
I wonder if there are divisions higher up in the English Tory Party about the desirability of a 'Yes' vote. I have never seen the press comment on speculate on it.
Quite. This whole PB tory 'No' nonsense is just petulant spite from a small child which objects to the reality of its powerlessness.
I think the PB tory consensus is not necessarily for "No".
I agree that there is too much petulant spite where there shouldn't be any, but I am afraid there will be more of the same in the English press post-Yes.
So what? Let them shriek. The idea that a currency union will be at the heart of any of the unionist parties campaign in 2015 is delusional nonsense. It's still ranked near the bottom in eighth place as most important issues in scotland after all. So you would have to be remarkably dumb to think it's going to be some election 'winner' or be front and centre in 2015.
Just think how easy, and effective, it would be to spin a currency union as "Mili/Cam pledges OUR money to underwrite Glasgow dole-moles".
If by "easy and effective" you actually mean convoluted nonsense then you'd be bang on. A few deranged right-wing halfwits might believe it but what about sane people?
The negotiations with a post-Yes Scotland may end up going fairly smoothly, but I am sure Yes are preparing for the possibility of it being bitter and protracted, and it is only sensible to do so, it should not be dismissed so flippantly.
Yes, as one of the many in England with deep Scottish connections, born there and spent 15 years of my life there, I am distressed at any divorce that is less than amicable. That's why I'm angry about the brinksmanship of the BT campaign. Their nuclear option is worse for all.
The trouble is that while it is possible for a divorce aftermath to become fairly amicable when only one side actually wanted to divorce in the first place, eventually at any rate, the fact that only one side does means it is much more likely to range from unpleasant to horrific during the event itself. It is unavoidable that this will get (or rather, remain) nasty to some degree, because if we could split amicably, there wouldn't be a debate and vote on it needed in the first place.
I wonder if there are divisions higher up in the English Tory Party about the desirability of a 'Yes' vote. I have never seen the press comment on speculate on it.
I've just spent the evening with local politicians and councillors, discussing Fire Service cuts. I may as well have had a chat with a wheely bin. One thing I have learned,though, is that we have a few "politically sensitive" Fire Stations in our county. One of them, I knew about, but the other two, I didn't realise their significance. It's almost Machiavellian!
Fox, on one of 'em, you're hotter than Monica Bellucci in stockings, but not for the reason you give. That swanky HQ is amazing. Doesn't put many fires out, but at least most of it's inhabitants are safe, unlike about 70 operational firefighters, who might be looking for another job soon. I've had a drink, and had better shut up!
I wonder if there are divisions higher up in the English Tory Party about the desirability of a 'Yes' vote. I have never seen the press comment on speculate on it.
If they do and are not honest about it, they are truly pathetic. Either you believe in the Union regardless of who gets in at Westminster (maybe supporting full federalism to offset any labour bias if it upsets you that much), or you don't support the union or only care for it so long as your party is in power nationally, in which case you don't actually support the union itself.
It may not become a majority view, and it might not work, but it will occur to some degree, and it could have a major impact, and I do not think it deserves the scornful dismissal that you would reserve for Cameron and his cohorts commenting upon what the Scottish people truly believe, as if they would be excellent judgers of that.
Oh for god's sake. We all KNOW what's going to dominate the 2015 campaign and we've known for years. Don't let labour ruin it again Vs Are you better off now than five years ago/cost of living crisis.
Farage and even Clegg will be lucky to get a word in as the voter is assaulted by tories gleefully replaying the economic crash in excruciating slow motion and pointing at Labour, while mocking little Ed's ability to be PM. All this as little Ed tries to come up with more wheezes like price freezes and bangs on endlessly about people not feeling any better off.
In as much as it could be a feature it will be relegated to the meltdown and soul searching that all the unionist parties scottish subordinate parties would have to indulge in after a Yes vote. That's going to make a difference, particularly internally. However, the basic shape of the 2015 campaign will remain as it is and as it was always going to be. Since all the unionist parties campaigned against Independence there is no upside in any blame game as all it would do would be to clearly highlight that all their leaders failed in the event of a Yes.
As someone so amusingly said "we're all in this together", and they would be.
I've just spent the evening with local politicians and councillors, discussing Fire Service cuts. I may as well have had a chat with a wheely bin. One thing I have learned,though, is that we have a few "politically sensitive" Fire Stations in our county. One of them, I knew about, but the other two, I didn't realise their significance. It's almost Machiavellian!
Fox, on one of 'em, you're hotter than Monica Bellucci in stockings, but not for the reason you give. That swanky HQ is amazing. Doesn't put many fires out, but at least most of it's inhabitants are safe, unlike about 70 operational firefighters, who might be looking for another job soon. I've had a drink, and had better shut up!
Sort of, but all I can say is that busy city stations will be cut, so that much quieter "politically sensitive" stations will be ok.
It may not become a majority view, and it might not work, but it will occur to some degree, and it could have a major impact, and I do not think it deserves the scornful dismissal that you would reserve for Cameron and his cohorts commenting upon what the Scottish people truly believe, as if they would be excellent judgers of that.
Don't let labour ruin it again Vs Are you better off now than five years ago/cost of living crisis.
And "Don't let Labour bribe the Scots with a currency union" would fit perfectly with that too......just because you want a currency union doesn't mean you can have one......
It may not become a majority view, and it might not work, but it will occur to some degree, and it could have a major impact, and I do not think it deserves the scornful dismissal that you would reserve for Cameron and his cohorts commenting upon what the Scottish people truly believe, as if they would be excellent judgers of that.
Don't let labour ruin it again Vs Are you better off now than five years ago/cost of living crisis.
And "Don't let Labour bribe the Scots with a currency union" would fit perfectly with that too......just because you want a currency union doesn't mean you can have one......
Sure it would, sure it would. 'Near perfect' indeed.
euan mccolm @euanmccolm 1 min hear the guardian source who breached the government line on no currency union is uncomfortably senior tory. #indyref
I wonder if there are divisions higher up in the English Tory Party about the desirability of a 'Yes' vote. I have never seen the press comment on speculate on it.
Tories might be taking seant 's advise,how to get rid of 40 odd labour MP's ;-)
Devolution and the decline of Conservatism in NI pricked the Unionist bubble. I'd say there's a goodly dose of playing along and secretly hoping for a yes. Scotland is barren for Tories now. At best they might cobble together 4 or 5 Scots MPs. In a very good year.
At the height of Spanner Broons reign they managed 4 FPTP MSPs on much more favourable boundaries.
I've just spent the evening with local politicians and councillors, discussing Fire Service cuts. I may as well have had a chat with a wheely bin. One thing I have learned,though, is that we have a few "politically sensitive" Fire Stations in our county. One of them, I knew about, but the other two, I didn't realise their significance. It's almost Machiavellian!
Fox, on one of 'em, you're hotter than Monica Bellucci in stockings, but not for the reason you give. That swanky HQ is amazing. Doesn't put many fires out, but at least most of it's inhabitants are safe, unlike about 70 operational firefighters, who might be looking for another job soon. I've had a drink, and had better shut up!
Sort of, but all I can say is that busy city stations will be cut, so that much quieter "politically sensitive" stations will be ok.
So when we're talking about politically sensitive in Leicestershire, the whip hand is with whom?
I've just spent the evening with local politicians and councillors, discussing Fire Service cuts. I may as well have had a chat with a wheely bin. One thing I have learned,though, is that we have a few "politically sensitive" Fire Stations in our county. One of them, I knew about, but the other two, I didn't realise their significance. It's almost Machiavellian!
Fox, on one of 'em, you're hotter than Monica Bellucci in stockings, but not for the reason you give. That swanky HQ is amazing. Doesn't put many fires out, but at least most of it's inhabitants are safe, unlike about 70 operational firefighters, who might be looking for another job soon. I've had a drink, and had better shut up!
Sort of, but all I can say is that busy city stations will be cut, so that much quieter "politically sensitive" stations will be ok.
Since the currency intervention didn't shift polls, how is the lack of currency intervention going to shift polls?
In any case, in the event of a yes vote, what the Scots think of a currency union is neither here nor there....
It adds to the general perception of Bettertogether as a bunch of riven, inconsistent incompetents. I've said before if No wins it'll be in spite of BT, however if Yes wins (as we've seen on here) there will be a rapid lining up of scapegoats. Darling and his bunch of 6th formers in Blythswood Square will be first in that line.
Oh for god's sake. We all KNOW what's going to dominate the 2015 campaign and we've known for years. Don't let labour ruin it again Vs Are you better off now than five years ago/cost of living crisis.
Farage and even Clegg will be lucky to get a word in as the voter is assaulted by tories gleefully replaying the economic crash in excruciating slow motion and pointing at Labour, while mocking little Ed's ability to be PM. All this as little Ed tries to come up with more wheezes like price freezes and bangs on endlessly about people not feeling any better off.
In as much as it could be a feature it will be relegated to the meltdown and soul searching that all the unionist parties scottish subordinate parties would have to indulge in after a Yes vote. That's going to make a difference, particularly internally. However, the basic shape of the 2015 campaign will remain as it is and as it was always going to be. Since all the unionist parties campaigned against Independence there is no upside in any blame game as all it would do would be to clearly highlight that all their leaders failed in the event of a Yes.
As someone so amusingly said "we're all in this together", and they would be.
I never mentioned any impact on the 2015 campaign or how a blame game would unfold among the unionist parties, I don't follow your points at all(or rather, see what they have to do with what I was saying). I was talking about the impact on the media and public perception of rUK negotiations regardless of who is in power, which will contextualise the much drier and hopefully more objective work of those doing the negotiations. Regardless of how the parties react to losing the vote, it is certainly possible that a hostile attitude, or at least an unforgiving attitude, develops among rUK regarding things that could be spun as concessions to a newly independent Scotland, and as it is a possibility (and not to be dismissed as something that would apply to right wing nutjobs only), it is sensible that the Yes campaign be prepared for a less than harmonius set of negotiations, and I am sure they are preparing for that possibility.
I was also objecting to a wholesale assessment of how England as a whole would react, when any assessment of how Scotland thinks or will react to anything coming from someone like Cameron would be immediately dismissed as irrelevant and laughable by his Yes opponents (and, for some reason, not his business no doubt, despite him being PM), so why would their assessment of how England will think and react not only be apparently dead on accurate, but perfectly reasonable?
Forest Hill Fire Station went over a decade ago. Not sure about Stanstead Rd or Ladywell. Sure that 270K+ people can still cope in Lewisham Borough; so what's the moan...?
You should see our dwindling collection of Police-Stations and pubs. I have it on good authority that local Labour councillors are moon-lighting as millionaire property-developers. Come and see the damage Socialism does to neighbourhoods...!
It may not become a majority view, and it might not work, but it will occur to some degree, and it could have a major impact, and I do not think it deserves the scornful dismissal that you would reserve for Cameron and his cohorts commenting upon what the Scottish people truly believe, as if they would be excellent judgers of that.
Don't let labour ruin it again Vs Are you better off now than five years ago/cost of living crisis.
And "Don't let Labour bribe the Scots with a currency union" would fit perfectly with that too......just because you want a currency union doesn't mean you can have one......
Sure it would, sure it would. 'Near perfect' indeed.
euan mccolm @euanmccolm 1 min hear the guardian source who breached the government line on no currency union is uncomfortably senior tory. #indyref
I've just spent the evening with local politicians and councillors, discussing Fire Service cuts. I may as well have had a chat with a wheely bin. One thing I have learned,though, is that we have a few "politically sensitive" Fire Stations in our county. One of them, I knew about, but the other two, I didn't realise their significance. It's almost Machiavellian!
Fox, on one of 'em, you're hotter than Monica Bellucci in stockings, but not for the reason you give. That swanky HQ is amazing. Doesn't put many fires out, but at least most of it's inhabitants are safe, unlike about 70 operational firefighters, who might be looking for another job soon. I've had a drink, and had better shut up!
Sort of, but all I can say is that busy city stations will be cut, so that much quieter "politically sensitive" stations will be ok.
So when we're talking about politically sensitive in Leicestershire, the whip hand is with whom?
Local councillors, mostly. The Westminster MPs, aren't really that bothered.
I was talking about the impact on the media and public perception of rUK negotiations regardless of who is in power, which will contextualise the much drier and hopefully more objective work of those doing the negotiations. Regardless of how the parties react to losing the vote, it is certainly possible that a hostile attitude, or at least an unforgiving attitude, develops among rUK regarding things that could be spun as concessions to a newly independent Scotland, and as it is a possibility (and not to be dismissed as something that would apply to right wing nutjobs only), it is sensible that the Yes campaign be prepared for a less than harmonius set of negotiations, and I am sure they are preparing for that possibility.
Sorry to have to break it to you but press political influence has been crashing for years and it's not as if the most rabid of the tabloids don't indulge in ludicrous scaremongering as it is.
If you truly think the press and media are the final arbiters of what the public thinks in England then that would be your problem. I tend to think the public are just a touch smarter than that.
The county council is controlled by the Tories, with only a few of red seats in Coalville , and Loughborough. The LD have a number of seats in the suburbs of the city.
Neither Coalville or Loughborough will go, I expect
I've just spent the evening with local politicians and councillors, discussing Fire Service cuts. I may as well have had a chat with a wheely bin. One thing I have learned,though, is that we have a few "politically sensitive" Fire Stations in our county. One of them, I knew about, but the other two, I didn't realise their significance. It's almost Machiavellian!
Fox, on one of 'em, you're hotter than Monica Bellucci in stockings, but not for the reason you give. That swanky HQ is amazing. Doesn't put many fires out, but at least most of it's inhabitants are safe, unlike about 70 operational firefighters, who might be looking for another job soon. I've had a drink, and had better shut up!
Sort of, but all I can say is that busy city stations will be cut, so that much quieter "politically sensitive" stations will be ok.
So when we're talking about politically sensitive in Leicestershire, the whip hand is with whom?
It may not become a majority view, and it might not work, but it will occur to some degree, and it could have a major impact, and I do not think it deserves the scornful dismissal that you would reserve for Cameron and his cohorts commenting upon what the Scottish people truly believe, as if they would be excellent judgers of that.
Don't let labour ruin it again Vs Are you better off now than five years ago/cost of living crisis.
And "Don't let Labour bribe the Scots with a currency union" would fit perfectly with that too......just because you want a currency union doesn't mean you can have one......
Sure it would, sure it would. 'Near perfect' indeed.
euan mccolm @euanmccolm 1 min hear the guardian source who breached the government line on no currency union is uncomfortably senior tory. #indyref
It may not become a majority view, and it might not work, but it will occur to some degree, and it could have a major impact, and I do not think it deserves the scornful dismissal that you would reserve for Cameron and his cohorts commenting upon what the Scottish people truly believe, as if they would be excellent judgers of that.
Don't let labour ruin it again Vs Are you better off now than five years ago/cost of living crisis.
And "Don't let Labour bribe the Scots with a currency union" would fit perfectly with that too......just because you want a currency union doesn't mean you can have one......
Sure it would, sure it would. 'Near perfect' indeed.
euan mccolm @euanmccolm 1 min hear the guardian source who breached the government line on no currency union is uncomfortably senior tory. #indyref
It may not become a majority view, and it might not work, but it will occur to some degree, and it could have a major impact, and I do not think it deserves the scornful dismissal that you would reserve for Cameron and his cohorts commenting upon what the Scottish people truly believe, as if they would be excellent judgers of that.
Don't let labour ruin it again Vs Are you better off now than five years ago/cost of living crisis.
And "Don't let Labour bribe the Scots with a currency union" would fit perfectly with that too......just because you want a currency union doesn't mean you can have one......
Sure it would, sure it would. 'Near perfect' indeed.
euan mccolm @euanmccolm 1 min hear the guardian source who breached the government line on no currency union is uncomfortably senior tory. #indyref
*laughs*
if it's Ozzie (which is very conceivable) then a trap is in play and the game is afoot. There's no way he'd detonate that unless it were agreed black ops
I was talking about the impact on the media and public perception of rUK negotiations regardless of who is in power, which will contextualise the much drier and hopefully more objective work of those doing the negotiations. Regardless of how the parties react to losing the vote, it is certainly possible that a hostile attitude, or at least an unforgiving attitude, develops among rUK regarding things that could be spun as concessions to a newly independent Scotland, and as it is a possibility (and not to be dismissed as something that would apply to right wing nutjobs only), it is sensible that the Yes campaign be prepared for a less than harmonius set of negotiations, and I am sure they are preparing for that possibility.
I tend to think the public are just a touch smarter than that.
Good news for those with Q1 bets on PaddyPower's cross-over market
It's been confirmed to me that as well as the Sunday Times survey being included in Q1 so too will the Sun poll on Monday night. So two more chances.
A tense weekend!
I am one of "those" but am not expecting to collect, although the probability of crossover on a per poll basis is likely to be at its highest over the next two polls.
I think Sir Roderick has it right in going for May as the time when we will see consistent crossed over polling. It will be the April payslips wot does it.
No, it will be a victorious summer of cricket which will do it. I am sticking with my prediction made on here months ago that our triumph in the Lords Test in June will herald the crossover.
Geoff
I was thinking of you this morning when contemplating the welcome but surprise arrival of Sir Joshua Reynolds on PB.
Sunder Katwala @sundersays Do Guardian story clues point to 1 Danny Alexander, 2 Scot Secretary Carmichael, or 3 Hammond (but is last 'at heart of pro-union campaign)?
Sunder Katwala @sundersays Clues: (1) govt minister at heart of pro-union campaign {Scot?} (2) crucial role in break-up talks if Yes. {chief sec? Defence?) Who else?
I've just spent the evening with local politicians and councillors, discussing Fire Service cuts. I may as well have had a chat with a wheely bin. One thing I have learned,though, is that we have a few "politically sensitive" Fire Stations in our county. One of them, I knew about, but the other two, I didn't realise their significance. It's almost Machiavellian!
Fox, on one of 'em, you're hotter than Monica Bellucci in stockings, but not for the reason you give. That swanky HQ is amazing. Doesn't put many fires out, but at least most of it's inhabitants are safe, unlike about 70 operational firefighters, who might be looking for another job soon. I've had a drink, and had better shut up!
Sort of, but all I can say is that busy city stations will be cut, so that much quieter "politically sensitive" stations will be ok.
So when we're talking about politically sensitive in Leicestershire, the whip hand is with whom?
Local councillors, mostly. The Westminster MPs, aren't really that bothered.
Twas ever thus, although in reality it's difficult to separate the two. Here to your west in Shropshire, where we're enduring our own local government holocaust, there's no question that most councillors are little more than eager enablers to the ambition of their leader and his DCLG string-pullers.
It may not become a majority view, and it might not work, but it will occur to some degree, and it could have a major impact, and I do not think it deserves the scornful dismissal that you would reserve for Cameron and his cohorts commenting upon what the Scottish people truly believe, as if they would be excellent judgers of that.
Don't let labour ruin it again Vs Are you better off now than five years ago/cost of living crisis.
And "Don't let Labour bribe the Scots with a currency union" would fit perfectly with that too......just because you want a currency union doesn't mean you can have one......
Sure it would, sure it would. 'Near perfect' indeed.
euan mccolm @euanmccolm 1 min hear the guardian source who breached the government line on no currency union is uncomfortably senior tory. #indyref
*laughs*
This must be his most fiendishly convoluted 'master strategy' yet if it was. There is a huge amount of infighting among labour about their strategy for No, (not all of it public) and they were well and truly bounced into Osbrowne's currency union posturing. Labour have also had to digest polling that showed very clearly that their association with the tories in 'better together' was hurting them in scotland. So unless Osbrowne is somehow trying to force a labour meltdown on this it's a pretty 'eccentric' strategy to say the least.
I've just spent the evening with local politicians and councillors, discussing Fire Service cuts. I may as well have had a chat with a wheely bin. One thing I have learned,though, is that we have a few "politically sensitive" Fire Stations in our county. One of them, I knew about, but the other two, I didn't realise their significance. It's almost Machiavellian!
Fox, on one of 'em, you're hotter than Monica Bellucci in stockings, but not for the reason you give. That swanky HQ is amazing. Doesn't put many fires out, but at least most of it's inhabitants are safe, unlike about 70 operational firefighters, who might be looking for another job soon. I've had a drink, and had better shut up!
Sort of, but all I can say is that busy city stations will be cut, so that much quieter "politically sensitive" stations will be ok.
Central (Lancaster Road) is a proper Fire Station, I spent happy years there. It's not long had a 5 million quid revamp, after they tried to sell it, but got no takers. Central may well suffer in the coming few years, it's busy, but can (just about) be covered by other stations.
I'm feeling maudlin, found out a few things over the last week that are bit grim, both personally and professionally. The Fire and Rescue Service is hitting a bit of a crisis.
It may not become a majority view, and it might not work, but it will occur to some degree, and it could have a major impact, and I do not think it deserves the scornful dismissal that you would reserve for Cameron and his cohorts commenting upon what the Scottish people truly believe, as if they would be excellent judgers of that.
Don't let labour ruin it again Vs Are you better off now than five years ago/cost of living crisis.
And "Don't let Labour bribe the Scots with a currency union" would fit perfectly with that too......just because you want a currency union doesn't mean you can have one......
Sure it would, sure it would. 'Near perfect' indeed.
euan mccolm @euanmccolm 1 min hear the guardian source who breached the government line on no currency union is uncomfortably senior tory. #indyref
It may not become a majority view, and it might not work, but it will occur to some degree, and it could have a major impact, and I do not think it deserves the scornful dismissal that you would reserve for Cameron and his cohorts commenting upon what the Scottish people truly believe, as if they would be excellent judgers of that.
Don't let labour ruin it again Vs Are you better off now than five years ago/cost of living crisis.
And "Don't let Labour bribe the Scots with a currency union" would fit perfectly with that too......just because you want a currency union doesn't mean you can have one......
Sure it would, sure it would. 'Near perfect' indeed.
euan mccolm @euanmccolm 1 min hear the guardian source who breached the government line on no currency union is uncomfortably senior tory. #indyref
*laughs*
if it's Ozzie (which is very conceivable) then a trap is in play and the game is afoot. There's no way he'd detonate that unless it were agreed black ops
A trap for who exactly? Remind me who it was that was posturing on currency union not that long ago in scotland? After which the Independence polls just kept getting tighter. Much to the PB tories and scottish tory surgers dismay.
It may not become a majority view, and it might not work, but it will occur to some degree, and it could have a major impact, and I do not think it deserves the scornful dismissal that you would reserve for Cameron and his cohorts commenting upon what the Scottish people truly believe, as if they would be excellent judgers of that.
Don't let labour ruin it again Vs Are you better off now than five years ago/cost of living crisis.
And "Don't let Labour bribe the Scots with a currency union" would fit perfectly with that too......just because you want a currency union doesn't mean you can have one......
Sure it would, sure it would. 'Near perfect' indeed.
euan mccolm @euanmccolm 1 min hear the guardian source who breached the government line on no currency union is uncomfortably senior tory. #indyref
*laughs*
This must be his most fiendishly convoluted 'master strategy' yet if it was. There is a huge amount of infighting among labour about their strategy for No, (not all of it public) and they were well and truly bounced into Osbrowne's currency union posturing. Labour have also had to digest polling that showed very clearly that their association with the tories in 'better together' was hurting them in scotland. So unless Osbrowne is somehow trying to force a labour meltdown on this it's a pretty 'eccentric' strategy to say the least.
The Tories need to move beyond the Purple recoil, they need to hammer home the reality of letting Labour back in, and work on GOTV in defence of government. UKIP won't convert their polling to actual votes in a GE, they never have. They will do much better than previously however, but look at their scores in previous mid terms versus the miserly 2% they end up with. It amazes me the panic in the Tory ranks when they are neck and neck or just behind 14 months out. Brown would have killed for that polling in 2009
The county council is controlled by the Tories, with only a few of red seats in Coalville , and Loughborough. The LD have a number of seats in the suburbs of the city.
Neither Coalville or Loughborough will go, I expect
I've just spent the evening with local politicians and councillors, discussing Fire Service cuts. I may as well have had a chat with a wheely bin. One thing I have learned,though, is that we have a few "politically sensitive" Fire Stations in our county. One of them, I knew about, but the other two, I didn't realise their significance. It's almost Machiavellian!
Fox, on one of 'em, you're hotter than Monica Bellucci in stockings, but not for the reason you give. That swanky HQ is amazing. Doesn't put many fires out, but at least most of it's inhabitants are safe, unlike about 70 operational firefighters, who might be looking for another job soon. I've had a drink, and had better shut up!
Sort of, but all I can say is that busy city stations will be cut, so that much quieter "politically sensitive" stations will be ok.
So when we're talking about politically sensitive in Leicestershire, the whip hand is with whom?
Coalville has already "gone", as it's now day Crewing Plus, and they've lost half their operational compliment. Loughborough, for all it's size of patch, and risks (airport, motorway, industry and bloody large housing estates) is slated to be downgraded.
The county council is controlled by the Tories, with only a few of red seats in Coalville , and Loughborough. The LD have a number of seats in the suburbs of the city.
Neither Coalville or Loughborough will go, I expect
I've just spent the evening with local politicians and councillors, discussing Fire Service cuts. I may as well have had a chat with a wheely bin. One thing I have learned,though, is that we have a few "politically sensitive" Fire Stations in our county. One of them, I knew about, but the other two, I didn't realise their significance. It's almost Machiavellian!
Fox, on one of 'em, you're hotter than Monica Bellucci in stockings, but not for the reason you give. That swanky HQ is amazing. Doesn't put many fires out, but at least most of it's inhabitants are safe, unlike about 70 operational firefighters, who might be looking for another job soon. I've had a drink, and had better shut up!
Sort of, but all I can say is that busy city stations will be cut, so that much quieter "politically sensitive" stations will be ok.
So when we're talking about politically sensitive in Leicestershire, the whip hand is with whom?
Surprised if it works like that. Although tbh Loughborough is probably the second biggest place in Leics, so shouldn't be vulnerable anyway. As for Coalville, it is in marginal territory but basically leaning labour. If both Coalville and Moira have capacity, you could understand why one might be vulnerable given current political considerations.
The county council is controlled by the Tories, with only a few of red seats in Coalville , and Loughborough. The LD have a number of seats in the suburbs of the city.
Neither Coalville or Loughborough will go, I expect
I've just spent the evening with local politicians and councillors, discussing Fire Service cuts. I may as well have had a chat with a wheely bin. One thing I have learned,though, is that we have a few "politically sensitive" Fire Stations in our county. One of them, I knew about, but the other two, I didn't realise their significance. It's almost Machiavellian!
Fox, on one of 'em, you're hotter than Monica Bellucci in stockings, but not for the reason you give. That swanky HQ is amazing. Doesn't put many fires out, but at least most of it's inhabitants are safe, unlike about 70 operational firefighters, who might be looking for another job soon. I've had a drink, and had better shut up!
Sort of, but all I can say is that busy city stations will be cut, so that much quieter "politically sensitive" stations will be ok.
So when we're talking about politically sensitive in Leicestershire, the whip hand is with whom?
Surprised if it works like that. Although tbh Loughborough is probably the second biggest place in Leics, so shouldn't be vulnerable anyway. As for Coalville, it is in marginal territory but basically leaning labour. If both Coalville and Moira have capacity, you could understand why one might be vulnerable given current political considerations.
Moira closes this year, to free up a pump for a new station in Castle Donington, which will, mostly be working in Derbyshire, to cover the patch that the downgrading of Long Eaton will leave.... It's all politics.
But apparently they will say 'vote little Ed get a currency union' because an uncomfortably senior tory said "Of course there would be a currency union". You see the deeply impressive 'logic', no?
A trap For Labour of course. Ozzie and the Tories extend the Olive Branch in return for some other concessions negotiated with wee Eck on the qt and stuff Labour as the party looking to damage Scotland. Risky, so he'd need a big concession to play this game. Perhaps.....
I was thinking of his personal ambition. No loses, 58 non-Tories gone, Dave cops the blame and George inherits the crown.
Trouble is even the most gullible tory Eurosceptic MP must know that Osbrowne would be the continuity Cameron candidate. Stirring up trouble for labour, I can just about see the logic for that though incompetence is of course the most likely culprit among the chumocracy.
Make no mistake there are a few tories who would countenance independence if they thought that the loss of scottish labour MPs would help them long term in rUK. I would however be surprised if that wasn't still a very minority view among tory MPs, but you just never know.
I see Germany is *lowering* retirement age to 63 (from 65) - seems a bit startling! Apparently it was a social democratic quid pro quo for the Grand Coalition.
Having reached 14st after Xmas I basically adopted the prospectus of trying to cut out midweek drinking, no chocolate, crisps or sweets at all and trying to do an hour of exercise twice a week. Otherwise, not that much change, but I've lost 16lb in about 12 weeks, and am still able to blow out a bit on the beer and wine at weekends. And 4 days of Cheltenham.....
Why not work on getting your activity levels up? People evolved to eat a lot to fund exercise. I took up running at 46. Download C25K onto your smartphone, and when you can run for 30 minutes non-stop, start going to your local parkrun on Saturday mornings. With the lighter evenings you can easily find routes to run after work and burn 4-500 calories in half an hour. And you will improve your cardiovascular fitness, live longer and healthier, and afford to eat and drink nice things.
(Although I do find crisps utterly pointless. Unsatisfying, loads of fat & calories, and a way of making you pay shedloads for the humble potato).
Simply eating fewer calories has more proven health benefits and is more likely to lead to health benefits - exercise is great once you fit target weight but I'm unconvinced it's the best strategy for losing weight vs an aggressive calorie controlled diet for a limited time period.
To lose weight diet is everything. To keep it off, a more moderate diet combined with exercise...but not any old exercise. Jogging will not help much. Far better to undertake some form of muscular resistance training as more lean muscle mass will increase your base metabolic rate which means you'll burn more calories even when you're not exercising.
old labour Don't forget 45% of UKIP voters voted for Cameron in 2010, even if they do not vote to stop Miliband, if they voted for Dave once, no reason they cannot be persuaded to do so again
old labour Don't forget 45% of UKIP voters voted for Cameron in 2010, even if they do not vote to stop Miliband, if they voted for Dave once, no reason they cannot be persuaded to do so again
Agreed. UKIP is going to do very well building up votes where it has sod all impact on the outcome in that seat. Where two of CON/LAB/LD are slugging it out in a tight contest then the UKIP shares will be squeezed.
We are seeing this every Thursday in the local by-elections. In closely contested wards between two of the majors UKIP has generally seen much smaller shares.
It is also interesting that in every single council by-election since last May where the purples have been defending they have lost.
How many percent in 1979 thought Mrs Thatcher had the "gravitas" up become Prime Minister? Fewer than preferred Jim Callaghan. Or most likely Enoch Powell.
Comments
Alastair Darling's eyebrows have just turned white. #indyref
*chortle*
'Don't discount it on that basis'.
'Danny Alexander: decision to rule out currency union with Scotland ...
www.theguardian.com › News › Politics › Danny Alexander
7 Mar 2014 - Nicholas Watt, chief political correspondent ... In his speech, Alexander likened a currency union with an independent Scotland ... In the event that Scotland did vote yes, I would argue just as forcefully against a currency union.
I agree that there is too much petulant spite where there shouldn't be any, but I am afraid there will be more of the same in the English press post-Yes. Just think how easy, and effective, it would be to spin a currency union as "Mili/Cam pledges OUR money to underwrite Glasgow dole-moles".
"However, police are investigating if other people were involved in abusing boys at the centre."
If there were and they were VIP enough to get away with it at the time i expect they'll be even more VIP now.
Awful 2 days for the Unionist campaign. Scottish Daily Mail front page and now @nicholaswatt exclusive that threatens no pound sharing line
http://politicshome.com/uk/article/95455/the_times_saturday_29th_march_2014.html
If by "easy and effective" you actually mean convoluted nonsense then you'd be bang on.
A few deranged right-wing halfwits might believe it but what about sane people?
And spun by who exactly if you rule out Cam and Ed? Clegg??? Hardly. Farage? Who cares.
He'll get enough votes to scare the sh*t out of tories and ruin their day in a great many marginals, but even one kipper MP is still very far from assured.
Expect days of 'dog panic'.
http://politicshome.com/uk/article/95457/the_guardian.html
The no campaign is just laughable.
It may not become a majority view, and it might not work, but it will occur to some degree, and it could have a major impact, and I do not think it deserves the scornful dismissal that you would reserve for Cameron and his cohorts commenting upon what the Scottish people truly believe, as if they would be excellent judgers of that.
The negotiations with a post-Yes Scotland may end up going fairly smoothly, but I am sure Yes are preparing for the possibility of it being bitter and protracted, and it is only sensible to do so, it should not be dismissed so flippantly.
Anon currency union briefing: cock-up or conspiracy?? @Guardian http://bit.ly/1dBILzg
Tories might be taking seant 's advise,how to get rid of 40 odd labour MP's ;-)
hear the guardian source who breached the government line on no currency union is uncomfortably senior tory. #indyref
Oops.
Is it screw Darling or screw the Union for low electoral advantage? Both maybe?
Neil Henderson @hendopolis 4m
Hanging about for a SCOTSMAN. #tomorrowspaperstoday
ROFL
Though roughly half are "on call stations" so presumably retained fire fighters.
Moira, Ashby, Coalville and Shephed are all in marginal constituencies. Am I getting warm?
euan mccolm @euanmccolm 2 hrs
this is simply terrible for the #bettertogether campaign: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/28/independent-scotland-may-keep-pound … #indyref
Just to add, you won't get so many good looking, strapping, young fireys showing up, when someone burns the toast at the Windsor ward.
'Tory MPs secretly want Scotland independence for Westminster majority' claims Lord Forsyth
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10424621/Tory-MPs-secretly-want-Scotland-independence-for-Westminster-majority-claims-Lord-Forsyth.html
In any case, in the event of a yes vote, what the Scots think of a currency union is neither here nor there....
Farage and even Clegg will be lucky to get a word in as the voter is assaulted by tories gleefully replaying the economic crash in excruciating slow motion and pointing at Labour, while mocking little Ed's ability to be PM. All this as little Ed tries to come up with more wheezes like price freezes and bangs on endlessly about people not feeling any better off.
In as much as it could be a feature it will be relegated to the meltdown and soul searching that all the unionist parties scottish subordinate parties would have to indulge in after a Yes vote. That's going to make a difference, particularly internally. However, the basic shape of the 2015 campaign will remain as it is and as it was always going to be. Since all the unionist parties campaigned against Independence there is no upside in any blame game as all it would do would be to clearly highlight that all their leaders failed in the event of a Yes.
As someone so amusingly said "we're all in this together", and they would be.
euan mccolm @euanmccolm 1 min
hear the guardian source who breached the government line on no currency union is uncomfortably senior tory. #indyref
*laughs*
I'd say there's a goodly dose of playing along and secretly hoping for a yes. Scotland is barren for Tories now. At best they might cobble together 4 or 5 Scots MPs. In a very good year.
At the height of Spanner Broons reign they managed 4 FPTP MSPs on much more favourable boundaries.
I hope not Lancaster Rd, it is such a great 30's block, with fire houses and all.
Prime redevelopment land though, I suppose. The Leicester General will become housing within the next decade ;-(
I was also objecting to a wholesale assessment of how England as a whole would react, when any assessment of how Scotland thinks or will react to anything coming from someone like Cameron would be immediately dismissed as irrelevant and laughable by his Yes opponents (and, for some reason, not his business no doubt, despite him being PM), so why would their assessment of how England will think and react not only be apparently dead on accurate, but perfectly reasonable?
You should see our dwindling collection of Police-Stations and pubs. I have it on good authority that local Labour councillors are moon-lighting as millionaire property-developers. Come and see the damage Socialism does to neighbourhoods...!
:tw-unts:
If you truly think the press and media are the final arbiters of what the public thinks in England then that would be your problem. I tend to think the public are just a touch smarter than that.
Neither Coalville or Loughborough will go, I expect
There's no way he'd detonate that unless it were agreed black ops
Tories have been warning that voting Ukip will hand Labour victory
However poll reveals that just one in 10 would swap their vote
Showed 41 per cent favour leaving EU, and 41 per cent back staying
A liberal bigot, he'll fit in just fine
Do Guardian story clues point to 1 Danny Alexander, 2 Scot Secretary Carmichael, or 3 Hammond (but is last 'at heart of pro-union campaign)?
Sunder Katwala @sundersays
Clues: (1) govt minister at heart of pro-union campaign {Scot?} (2) crucial role in break-up talks if Yes. {chief sec? Defence?) Who else?
There is a huge amount of infighting among labour about their strategy for No, (not all of it public) and they were well and truly bounced into Osbrowne's currency union posturing. Labour have also had to digest polling that showed very clearly that their association with the tories in 'better together' was hurting them in scotland. So unless Osbrowne is somehow trying to force a labour meltdown on this it's a pretty 'eccentric' strategy to say the least.
I'm feeling maudlin, found out a few things over the last week that are bit grim, both personally and professionally. The Fire and Rescue Service is hitting a bit of a crisis.
It amazes me the panic in the Tory ranks when they are neck and neck or just behind 14 months out. Brown would have killed for that polling in 2009
Add 1.1% to the Tory score.
CROSSOVER! Lol
France repeats doubts as David Cameron celebrates securing German support for 'two-speed' Europe
Hard to believe that isn't a master strategy of 'genius'.
Like this one.
Vote Clegg and you'll get Gordon Brown: As Lib Dems lead polls, Cameron warns Labour could be the winner
David Cameron is warning voters that if they switch to the resurgent Liberal Democrats they will 'vote Clegg, get Brown'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1267115/General-Election-2010-Vote-Nick-Clegg-Gordon-Brown-say-Tories.html
How did that turn out again?
But apparently they will say 'vote little Ed get a currency union' because an uncomfortably senior tory said "Of course there would be a currency union". You see the deeply impressive 'logic', no?
LOL
A trap For Labour of course. Ozzie and the Tories extend the Olive Branch in return for some other concessions negotiated with wee Eck on the qt and stuff Labour as the party looking to damage Scotland.
Risky, so he'd need a big concession to play this game.
Perhaps.....
Make no mistake there are a few tories who would countenance independence if they thought that the loss of scottish labour MPs would help them long term in rUK. I would however be surprised if that wasn't still a very minority view among tory MPs, but you just never know.
We are seeing this every Thursday in the local by-elections. In closely contested wards between two of the majors UKIP has generally seen much smaller shares.
It is also interesting that in every single council by-election since last May where the purples have been defending they have lost.