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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,982
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,982
    Americans fought a revolutionary war to avoid being governed by the whims of a capricious King

    250 years later they elected one
  • CollegeCollege Posts: 28
    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, as we build up to Easter there is some news on Canterbury, which I haven't seen discussed (although I have been busy so I may have missed it).

    Graham Ussher is out of the running. He has agreed to serve on the CNC which rules him out.

    As the clear front runner and the best candidate available, that makes some difference to the betting.

    The frontrunner now should probably be Martyn Snow, Bishop of Leicester.

    However - my money would actually be on a deadlock and no appointment at least this year.

    People spell Usher "Ussher" to wind him up, right? Or to suggest he might be just the right guy to revise the chronology?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,380
    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King's handling of the tariff fiasco is less Art of the deal, more Shart of the deal

    Fart of the Deal.

    With follow-through.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,380
    Rory on fire!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,228
    College said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, as we build up to Easter there is some news on Canterbury, which I haven't seen discussed (although I have been busy so I may have missed it).

    Graham Ussher is out of the running. He has agreed to serve on the CNC which rules him out.

    As the clear front runner and the best candidate available, that makes some difference to the betting.

    The frontrunner now should probably be Martyn Snow, Bishop of Leicester.

    However - my money would actually be on a deadlock and no appointment at least this year.

    People spell Usher "Ussher" to wind him up, right? Or to suggest he might be just the right guy to revise the chronology?
    I blame autocorrect.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,036


    Faisal Islam
    @faisalislam


    10% ‘universal’ tariff now riddled with exemptions for many with massive trade surpluses

    🇻🇳 $124bn surplus 30% exempted
    🇹🇼 $74bn surplus 64% exempted ac to Capital.

    Whereas ally 🇬🇧 which on 🇺🇸 figures has $12bn deficit… faces 25% on biggest goods exports - cars & pharma.

    Who thought it was a good idea to put a simpleton in charge?
    Difficult not to when Labour had an overall majority.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,228

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King's handling of the tariff fiasco is less Art of the deal, more Shart of the deal

    Fart of the Deal.

    With follow-through.
    Oh take one consideration with another
    An economic adviser's lot is very much a nappy one.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,668
    Scott_xP said:

    Americans fought a revolutionary war to avoid being governed by the whims of a capricious King

    250 years later they elected one

    They were rebelling against parliament more than against the king.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,228

    Scott_xP said:

    Americans fought a revolutionary war to avoid being governed by the whims of a capricious King

    250 years later they elected one

    They were rebelling against parliament more than against the king.
    They thought they were.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,380

    Bill Kristol: "Trump press secretary Karoline Leavitt yesterday: "Trust in President Trump. He knows what he's doing." "

    He clearly doesn't. He appointed you.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,776
    edited April 12

    Scott_xP said:

    Americans fought a revolutionary war to avoid being governed by the whims of a capricious King

    250 years later they elected one

    They were rebelling against parliament more than against the king.
    To be fair to Trump he is imposing taxation on imports via tariffs with representation and an election mandate in the US to do so, unlike King George III when he imposed his tax on tea in the American colonies despite no American MPs
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,074
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,074
    Scott_xP said:

    @SullyCNBC

    Apple shares up double the market on Friday. One day ahead of the big tariff exemption.

    https://x.com/SullyCNBC/status/1911086473832542569

    It's, it's almost as if someone knew what was going to happen.

    There might have been more corruption in the final years of the Roman republic, maybe. Since then, this administration is special.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,669
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, as we build up to Easter there is some news on Canterbury, which I haven't seen discussed (although I have been busy so I may have missed it).

    Graham Ussher is out of the running. He has agreed to serve on the CNC which rules him out.

    As the clear front runner and the best candidate available, that makes some difference to the betting.

    The frontrunner now should probably be Martyn Snow, Bishop of Leicester.

    However - my money would actually be on a deadlock and no appointment at least this year.

    Like anyone cares.
    At risk of triggering an avalanche, I am sure Hyufd will.
    Just give the job to whoever is best able to apologise for decades of abuse, and centuries of misery, war and death, whilst simultaneously being able to spout a stream of absolute rubbish and appear to believe it all.
    Saint Tony?

  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,904

    Ratters said:

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, as we build up to Easter there is some news on Canterbury, which I haven't seen discussed (although I have been busy so I may have missed it).

    Graham Ussher is out of the running. He has agreed to serve on the CNC which rules him out.

    As the clear front runner and the best candidate available, that makes some difference to the betting.

    The frontrunner now should probably be Martyn Snow, Bishop of Leicester.

    However - my money would actually be on a deadlock and no appointment at least this year.

    Like anyone cares.
    At risk of triggering an avalanche, I am sure Hyufd will.
    Just give the job to whoever is best able to apologise for decades of abuse, and centuries of misery, war and death, whilst simultaneously being able to spout a stream of absolute rubbish and appear to believe it all.
    Speaking as an atheist, should they consider giving the job to someone who will focus on promoting Christianity in the England and more widely?

    I'm obviously fine if they don't, but it strikes me as something someone with that job title might want to consider.
    I'm an atheist too, but I would have lot more respect for the CoE if , just once, I heard the AoC say " Christianity is right , and Islam is wrong".
    Thankfully the Christian faith operates in a slightly more nuanced and universalist manner. This for example is what the doctrine of the Roman Catholic church says about Islam:

    The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day Catechism para 841.

    Most Anglicans who think about it will hold a similar view and try, often without entire success, to avoid simplistic nonsense about Islam, atheists or anyone else.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,074
    carnforth said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    OllyT said:

    How lomg before Reform also disappoints?

    I suspect they will be pretty rubbish at running councils. Speaking of which, how would Farage resolve the bins in Brum? Maybe someone would like to ask him. Unless they have some ex-counsellors in their ranks - maybe defectors from the Tories? - they will be pretty clueless from day one.

    The truth is that no party has the answers to our problems.

    Hard, long-term decisions are required but if anyone attempted to be really honest with the electorate they would howl and whine because a substantial wedge of the electorate want everything to be excellent (healthcare, education, defence) but don't want to pay the price necessary (not personally at least). No party can square that circle so the voters lurch about latching on to the next snake-oil salesman.

    Like it or not autocracies have the upper hand over democracies in this respect which is why I also expect China to win its battle with Trump.
    I’ve been saying for a while. Democracy is dwindling - and it is probably doomed over time. A relatively brief experiment in the context of human history

    There are multiple reasons for this. Just one is the greater ability of autocracies to make difficult long term decisions
    Stop it. It is most unnerving when you make a point that is both controversial and correct for once. It really makes me wonder if I have got it wrong.
    I’m doing a Gazette piece about it. So you’ll be able to luxuriate in the unnervingness at even greater length

    Right. Fuck the “Tien Shan foothills and canyons”. Most boring place on earth. It’s Gooly Archypoo on the car stereo and back to places that understand “gin”
    I know you don't have the attention span to read an actual book you didn't write, but may I recommend "how to rig an election" https://yalebooks.co.uk/book/9780300279467/how-to-rig-an-election/

    If you combine that with Applebaum's work on "The Twilight Of Democracy" and "Autocracies Inc" the article writes itself.

    Knowing your prediction for AI you may already have done that, of course. 😀

    Lord Sumption has a new book out on defending democracy and rule of law.
    I once gave a talk on his judgment in Hughes-Holland-v-BPE Solicitors and another, a case concerning the extent of liability for professional negligence by professional advisors. I said: "At the risk of bringing on deep feelings of inadequacy and insecurity I would commend a careful reading of the whole judgment. It is a magisterial piece of work. "


    Anyone so inclined can read it here: https://supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2014-0026

    He writes with the extraordinary clarity of the truly brilliant. This, of course, does not mean that he is right all the time, especially when he goes beyond his own competence in the law into more political matters. But he really isn't someone who you have to puzzle what he really means. I have a pile of unread books right now but I am seriously tempted.
    I know lawyers live on a different plane in terms of prolixity, but that judgement from the word "Introduction" to the end of para 19 is 3,524 words long. That's nearly two whole Ydoethurs.
    Cracking stuff though. Just like @ydoethur, natch.
    I read it too. Do you know why the complaint against the actual fraudster himself failed? Taking money which you claim is investment, but you actually use to pay off an existing charge against the property, effectively funneling it directly to yourself, must be criminal surely?
    Firstly, I am not sure it was fraud. When someone buys into a development reducing the existing debt is often a sensible use for the money reducing costs going forward. The problem here was that the investment was not enough to both do that and fund the development to completion. Even after the investment the project remained so seriously under capitalised that it could not succeed. That is a very bad judgment call by the person making the investment but I don't think it is fraud unless warranties that that was not the case were given.

    Secondly, since the scheme was a complete failure the "fraudster" was almost certainly not worth suing. The tendency to sue professional advisors comes from the fact that they have insurance. This, and other decisions from the Supreme Court, have tried to restrict the inherent sympathy of the courts towards someone who has clearly suffered a loss and who wants it back off someone insured. In the long run this benefits everyone because it should reduce the overheads of those advisors who pay for that insurance. But there will inevitably be some hard luck stories along the way.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,982
    @SpencerHakimian

    So let’s just get this crystal clear.

    If somebody is trying to manufacture a laptop in the U.S., the components that they import are going to be tariffed at 145%.

    But if somebody simply makes the laptop entirely in China, they are fully tariff free?

    And this is all to bring manufacturing back to the U.S.?

    https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1911133229706527168
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,982
    Even if the Mad King abandons all tariffs, there is a decent chance that just being mad has completely killed the bond market

    Which is nice...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,339
    Reshoring the strategic T-shirt and plastic toy industries...

    So we’re exempting all advanced electronics from Chinese tariffs and putting a 125 pct tariff on textiles and toys?
    https://x.com/typesfast/status/1911087270985441376
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,241
    edited April 12
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SullyCNBC

    Apple shares up double the market on Friday. One day ahead of the big tariff exemption.

    https://x.com/SullyCNBC/status/1911086473832542569

    It's, it's almost as if someone knew what was going to happen.

    There might have been more corruption in the final years of the Roman republic, maybe. Since then, this administration is special.
    It's probably as good a reason as any to keep right out of American stocks right now.

    All the money inside traders make is coming from other investors.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,380
    Rory 5 under after 5 holes....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,776
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,613
    edited April 12
    DavidL said:

    carnforth said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    OllyT said:

    How lomg before Reform also disappoints?

    I suspect they will be pretty rubbish at running councils. Speaking of which, how would Farage resolve the bins in Brum? Maybe someone would like to ask him. Unless they have some ex-counsellors in their ranks - maybe defectors from the Tories? - they will be pretty clueless from day one.

    The truth is that no party has the answers to our problems.

    Hard, long-term decisions are required but if anyone attempted to be really honest with the electorate they would howl and whine because a substantial wedge of the electorate want everything to be excellent (healthcare, education, defence) but don't want to pay the price necessary (not personally at least). No party can square that circle so the voters lurch about latching on to the next snake-oil salesman.

    Like it or not autocracies have the upper hand over democracies in this respect which is why I also expect China to win its battle with Trump.
    I’ve been saying for a while. Democracy is dwindling - and it is probably doomed over time. A relatively brief experiment in the context of human history

    There are multiple reasons for this. Just one is the greater ability of autocracies to make difficult long term decisions
    Stop it. It is most unnerving when you make a point that is both controversial and correct for once. It really makes me wonder if I have got it wrong.
    I’m doing a Gazette piece about it. So you’ll be able to luxuriate in the unnervingness at even greater length

    Right. Fuck the “Tien Shan foothills and canyons”. Most boring place on earth. It’s Gooly Archypoo on the car stereo and back to places that understand “gin”
    I know you don't have the attention span to read an actual book you didn't write, but may I recommend "how to rig an election" https://yalebooks.co.uk/book/9780300279467/how-to-rig-an-election/

    If you combine that with Applebaum's work on "The Twilight Of Democracy" and "Autocracies Inc" the article writes itself.

    Knowing your prediction for AI you may already have done that, of course. 😀

    Lord Sumption has a new book out on defending democracy and rule of law.
    I once gave a talk on his judgment in Hughes-Holland-v-BPE Solicitors and another, a case concerning the extent of liability for professional negligence by professional advisors. I said: "At the risk of bringing on deep feelings of inadequacy and insecurity I would commend a careful reading of the whole judgment. It is a magisterial piece of work. "


    Anyone so inclined can read it here: https://supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2014-0026

    He writes with the extraordinary clarity of the truly brilliant. This, of course, does not mean that he is right all the time, especially when he goes beyond his own competence in the law into more political matters. But he really isn't someone who you have to puzzle what he really means. I have a pile of unread books right now but I am seriously tempted.
    I know lawyers live on a different plane in terms of prolixity, but that judgement from the word "Introduction" to the end of para 19 is 3,524 words long. That's nearly two whole Ydoethurs.
    Cracking stuff though. Just like @ydoethur, natch.
    I read it too. Do you know why the complaint against the actual fraudster himself failed? Taking money which you claim is investment, but you actually use to pay off an existing charge against the property, effectively funneling it directly to yourself, must be criminal surely?
    Firstly, I am not sure it was fraud. When someone buys into a development reducing the existing debt is often a sensible use for the money reducing costs going forward. The problem here was that the investment was not enough to both do that and fund the development to completion. Even after the investment the project remained so seriously under capitalised that it could not succeed. That is a very bad judgment call by the person making the investment but I don't think it is fraud unless warranties that that was not the case were given.

    Secondly, since the scheme was a complete failure the "fraudster" was almost certainly not worth suing. The tendency to sue professional advisors comes from the fact that they have insurance. This, and other decisions from the Supreme Court, have tried to restrict the inherent sympathy of the courts towards someone who has clearly suffered a loss and who wants it back off someone insured. In the long run this benefits everyone because it should reduce the overheads of those advisors who pay for that insurance. But there will inevitably be some hard luck stories along the way.
    Well, it was arguably a loan not an investment, right? He was to be paid the £200000 back plus a fixed £70000 "interest" at a fixed point in time. Though I suppose since he wasn't a registered bank or moneylender it has to be considered an investment? The question of whether we believe him when he says he didn't know the money was to be used to pay off a loan is a matter of fact rather than law I would have thought.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,669

    Bill Kristol: "Trump press secretary Karoline Leavitt yesterday: "Trust in President Trump. He knows what he's doing." "

    He clearly doesn't. He appointed you.
    To be fair Leavitt is doing her job well. Which is to pump out contradictory BS with a straight face while being easy on the eye
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,074
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,980
    edited April 12

    Rory on fire!

    Betfair is wondering how Rory is driving so much further than anyone else.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,982

    Bill Kristol: "Trump press secretary Karoline Leavitt yesterday: "Trust in President Trump. He knows what he's doing." "

    He clearly doesn't. He appointed you.
    To be fair Leavitt is doing her job well. Which is to pump out contradictory BS with a straight face while being easy on the eye
    https://x.com/auradeluxe/status/1909362415600603352
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,178
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Can't we put him in the House of Lords or something?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,523
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    I don’t think anyone, apart from the professional wokers, would be upset if he had a nasty accident in jail.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,178

    Bill Kristol: "Trump press secretary Karoline Leavitt yesterday: "Trust in President Trump. He knows what he's doing." "

    He clearly doesn't. He appointed you.
    To be fair Leavitt is doing her job well. Which is to pump out contradictory BS with a straight face while being easy on the eye
    That's an important role.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,380

    Rory on fire!

    Betfair is wondering how Rory is driving so much further than anyone else.
    He must be using that ultra-round technology that GB cycling developed.

    If you are a bitter Frenchman...
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,523
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SullyCNBC

    Apple shares up double the market on Friday. One day ahead of the big tariff exemption.

    https://x.com/SullyCNBC/status/1911086473832542569

    It's, it's almost as if someone knew what was going to happen.

    There might have been more corruption in the final years of the Roman republic, maybe. Since then, this administration is special.
    Just give Trump a fiddle and a box of matches.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,178

    Scott_xP said:

    Americans fought a revolutionary war to avoid being governed by the whims of a capricious King

    250 years later they elected one

    They were rebelling against parliament more than against the king.
    Specifically, they were calling for no taxation without representation.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,050
    I think that Trump is going to be impeached after the midterms when the Democrats take the House (80% probability) but not convicted by the Senate unless the Democrats also take the Senate (30% probability).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,668

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    I don’t think anyone, apart from the professional wokers, would be upset if he had a nasty accident in jail.
    Which is why it’s immoral for the state not to execute him.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,006
    edited April 12
    On thread .... unsurprising ... they are similar in their awfulness but for different reasons. Labour especially as their ability manage money is woeful.
    I doubt Reeves could check her Tesco's shopping bill for accuracy....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,776
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,380

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SullyCNBC

    Apple shares up double the market on Friday. One day ahead of the big tariff exemption.

    https://x.com/SullyCNBC/status/1911086473832542569

    It's, it's almost as if someone knew what was going to happen.

    There might have been more corruption in the final years of the Roman republic, maybe. Since then, this administration is special.
    It's probably as good a reason as any to keep right out of American stocks right now.

    All the money inside traders make is coming from other investors.
    Democrats should say they will investigate this corruption when next in power.

    And anyone found guilty with face penalties of 25 times their gain.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,987
    edited April 12
    McIlroy

    First player to begin a round with 6 consecutive threes in the Masters
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,380
    Rory three clear, having hit 6 threes...
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,523

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    I don’t think anyone, apart from the professional wokers, would be upset if he had a nasty accident in jail.
    Which is why it’s immoral for the state not to execute him.
    I wouldn’t exclude the accident being that nasty.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,591
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    It's quite a while since I read the New Testament - but that doesn't really chime with what I remember the overall message being.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,178
    Barnesian said:

    I think that Trump is going to be impeached after the midterms when the Democrats take the House (80% probability) but not convicted by the Senate unless the Democrats also take the Senate (30% probability).

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    There are 35 Senate races (33 regular and 2 special). But the Democrats already hold 13 of these. So there are 22 Republican seats up for election.

    *IF* the Democrats were to win every single one, that would get them to 69.

    But that would require them to win not just plausible (but difficult) States - like Alaska, Florida, Texas, Iowa, and Ohio - but also deep Red ones like:

    Arkansas
    Alabama
    Kansas
    Montana
    Idaho
    Kentucky
    Louisiana
    Mississippi
    West Virginia
    Wyoming
    and
    Oklahoma

    I mean: is it possible in a wave year that Kansas or Montana went Blue? Sure: but to get 67 seats in the Senate would require the Republicans to only hold two states.

    And I think that is unlikely to the point of near impossibility.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,074
    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    It's quite a while since I read the New Testament - but that doesn't really chime with what I remember the overall message being.
    I am not completely up on this religion thing but I don't think that the Israelis are particularly up on the New Testament. I'm pretty sure that was the point of it all.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,591
    DavidL said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    It's quite a while since I read the New Testament - but that doesn't really chime with what I remember the overall message being.
    I am not completely up on this religion thing but I don't think that the Israelis are particularly up on the New Testament. I'm pretty sure that was the point of it all.
    I was faintly remembering HY as a Christian. It seemed like a rather un-Christian thought - even to project onto others.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,252
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, as we build up to Easter there is some news on Canterbury, which I haven't seen discussed (although I have been busy so I may have missed it).

    Graham Ussher is out of the running. He has agreed to serve on the CNC which rules him out.

    As the clear front runner and the best candidate available, that makes some difference to the betting.

    The frontrunner now should probably be Martyn Snow, Bishop of Leicester.

    However - my money would actually be on a deadlock and no appointment at least this year.

    Absolutely NOT.

    Snow is an evangelical and you CANNOT have an evangelical like Snow following an evangelical like Welby as the Anglo Catholic wing of the C of E would correctly go mad. The pattern is always Catholic followed by evangelical eg Catholic Runcie - evangelical Carey - Catholic Williams - evangelical Welby etc to respect the fact the C of E is a Catholic but Reformed church.

    Personally I would go for the Bishop of Chelmsford if Ussher is out, Parish and safeguarding focused, less political than Welby, from a family that had to flee Iran after the revolution and a woman. After the dodgy safeguarding record of some male priests and bishops and after 10 years of women Bishops in the C of E it is time for a woman Archbishop of Canterbury

    + Guli is very definitely good news, would be a good Utility Christian for the Nation, and was far enough from the omnishambles to deal with it with clean hands. But I'm not sure she totally stops the Anglo-Catholics going mad. Or madder than they are most of the time.

    The main thing is that ++Canterbury is a terrible job that breaks the people who take it on. I'm probably looking to exclude the Bishop of Chelmsford because I like her too much.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,669
    Scott_xP said:

    Bill Kristol: "Trump press secretary Karoline Leavitt yesterday: "Trust in President Trump. He knows what he's doing." "

    He clearly doesn't. He appointed you.
    To be fair Leavitt is doing her job well. Which is to pump out contradictory BS with a straight face while being easy on the eye
    https://x.com/auradeluxe/status/1909362415600603352
    That’s almost funny
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,523
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    They do the same with paramedics.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,776
    edited April 12

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, as we build up to Easter there is some news on Canterbury, which I haven't seen discussed (although I have been busy so I may have missed it).

    Graham Ussher is out of the running. He has agreed to serve on the CNC which rules him out.

    As the clear front runner and the best candidate available, that makes some difference to the betting.

    The frontrunner now should probably be Martyn Snow, Bishop of Leicester.

    However - my money would actually be on a deadlock and no appointment at least this year.

    Absolutely NOT.

    Snow is an evangelical and you CANNOT have an evangelical like Snow following an evangelical like Welby as the Anglo Catholic wing of the C of E would correctly go mad. The pattern is always Catholic followed by evangelical eg Catholic Runcie - evangelical Carey - Catholic Williams - evangelical Welby etc to respect the fact the C of E is a Catholic but Reformed church.

    Personally I would go for the Bishop of Chelmsford if Ussher is out, Parish and safeguarding focused, less political than Welby, from a family that had to flee Iran after the revolution and a woman. After the dodgy safeguarding record of some male priests and bishops and after 10 years of women Bishops in the C of E it is time for a woman Archbishop of Canterbury

    + Guli is very definitely good news, would be a good Utility Christian for the Nation, and was far enough from the omnishambles to deal with it with clean hands. But I'm not sure she totally stops the Anglo-Catholics going mad. Or madder than they are most of the time.

    The main thing is that ++Canterbury is a terrible job that breaks the people who take it on. I'm probably looking to exclude the Bishop of Chelmsford because I like her too much.
    The liberal Catholics would certainly welcome her, they would not welcome Snow. The few remaining conservative Anglo Catholics who reject women priests and bishops and haven't gone to Rome wouldn't but they are much smaller than they were before ordination of women in the C of E.

    Rowan Williams survived Canterbury quite well so it can be done
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,982
    rcs1000 said:

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    Or enough Republicans see the writing on the wall

    There comes a point when being against the Mad King is better than being for him
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,339
    rcs1000 said:

    Bill Kristol: "Trump press secretary Karoline Leavitt yesterday: "Trust in President Trump. He knows what he's doing." "

    He clearly doesn't. He appointed you.
    To be fair Leavitt is doing her job well. Which is to pump out contradictory BS with a straight face while being easy on the eye
    That's an important role.
    Bullshitting, gaslighting, and plan lying isn't really very important.
    She's a moral and practical nullity.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,776
    DavidL said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    It's quite a while since I read the New Testament - but that doesn't really chime with what I remember the overall message being.
    I am not completely up on this religion thing but I don't think that the Israelis are particularly up on the New Testament. I'm pretty sure that was the point of it all.
    Yes that is one thing Netanyahu and Mossad don't need to worry about, they believe in the eye for an eye vengeful God of the Old Testament without needing to bother with the message of compassion and forgiveness of Jesus Christ and the NT as they don't believe he is Messiah. Indeed even Muslims believe in Jesus as Messiah more than Jews do
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,228
    edited April 12
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    With the important exception of the one they made Prime Minister instead.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,228
    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    It's quite a while since I read the New Testament - but that doesn't really chime with what I remember the overall message being.
    Tbf to Hyufd, that doesn't apply to Jews and he wasn't advocating it himself.
  • CollegeCollege Posts: 28
    edited April 12
    News from the CCP's People's Daily on brain-computer interface tech, aka putting a microchip in yer 'ead:

    http://en.people.cn/n3/2025/0412/c90000-20301022.html

    "The (government) plan aims to establish Beijing as a world-class BCI innovation and industrial hub by 2030, with preliminary formation of industrial ecosystems, refined innovation systems, and large-scale commercialization of products across healthcare, wellness, industrial, and education sectors."

    Doesn't sound as though it's only to do with helping people with spinal injuries and Parkinson's...

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,982
    After Big Nige called for the Nationalisation of the steel plant, the Refukkers didn't vote for it

    Wankers
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,523
    DavidL said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    It's quite a while since I read the New Testament - but that doesn't really chime with what I remember the overall message being.
    I am not completely up on this religion thing but I don't think that the Israelis are particularly up on the New Testament. I'm pretty sure that was the point of it all.
    The New Testament is a bit like Plaid Cymru. A weak alternative, but not as good as the Old Testament / the Tory party.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,692
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    How’s that working out for them?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,993
    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    It's quite a while since I read the New Testament - but that doesn't really chime with what I remember the overall message being.
    I am not completely up on this religion thing but I don't think that the Israelis are particularly up on the New Testament. I'm pretty sure that was the point of it all.
    I was faintly remembering HY as a Christian. It seemed like a rather un-Christian thought - even to project onto others.
    I always find it amusing when someone says that someone is acting in an “unchristian”, “unislamic”, “unhindu” manner. Etc.

    Especially when there are example of famous adherents to the various religious behaving exactly thus. Often within living memory.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,228
    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    I think that Trump is going to be impeached after the midterms when the Democrats take the House (80% probability) but not convicted by the Senate unless the Democrats also take the Senate (30% probability).

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    There are 35 Senate races (33 regular and 2 special). But the Democrats already hold 13 of these. So there are 22 Republican seats up for election.

    *IF* the Democrats were to win every single one, that would get them to 69.

    But that would require them to win not just plausible (but difficult) States - like Alaska, Florida, Texas, Iowa, and Ohio - but also deep Red ones like:

    Arkansas
    Alabama
    Kansas
    Montana
    Idaho
    Kentucky
    Louisiana
    Mississippi
    West Virginia
    Wyoming
    and
    Oklahoma

    I mean: is it possible in a wave year that Kansas or Montana went Blue? Sure: but to get 67 seats in the Senate would require the Republicans to only hold two states.

    And I think that is unlikely to the point of near impossibility.
    Montana had a Dem senator until this year, of course, although I appreciate he was very much an outlier. As was the formerly Dem senator in West Virginia.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,328
    Scott_xP said:

    After Big Nige called for the Nationalisation of the steel plant, the Refukkers didn't vote for it

    Wankers

    Does it actually nationalise it? I thought that would be in another bill. This one is just to keep the plates spinning.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,982
    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    After Big Nige called for the Nationalisation of the steel plant, the Refukkers didn't vote for it

    Wankers

    Does it actually nationalise it? I thought that would be in another bill. This one is just to keep the plates spinning.
    Still didn't vote for it
  • eekeek Posts: 29,656
    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    Or enough Republicans see the writing on the wall

    There comes a point when being against the Mad King is better than being for him
    Only if the things that keep MAGA in charge of the Republican party change.

    Which means Elon Musk will need to have lost all interest in politics (because otherwise you are lose the next election in the primaries before you even get started)

    And voters have decided on mass to vote Democrat..

    There is a lot of time (and problems) to go before we get to that point.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,074

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    I don’t think anyone, apart from the professional wokers, would be upset if he had a nasty accident in jail.
    Which is why it’s immoral for the state not to execute him.
    I wouldn’t exclude the accident being that nasty.
    I was wondering about a new job in the kennels. Along side that chap Ramsay.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,692
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    Or enough Republicans see the writing on the wall

    There comes a point when being against the Mad King is better than being for him
    Only if the things that keep MAGA in charge of the Republican party change.

    Which means Elon Musk will need to have lost all interest in politics (because otherwise you are lose the next election in the primaries before you even get started)

    And voters have decided on mass to vote Democrat..

    There is a lot of time (and problems) to go before we get to that point.
    Fear of Musk will have diminished since he got his arse handed back to him in Wisconsin the other week.
  • CollegeCollege Posts: 28
    edited April 12
    Scott_xP said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    After Big Nige called for the Nationalisation of the steel plant, the Refukkers didn't vote for it

    Wankers

    Does it actually nationalise it? I thought that would be in another bill. This one is just to keep the plates spinning.
    Still didn't vote for it
    There wasn't a vote. (I know that means they didn't vote for it, but was there an amendment or something they should have pushed harder for, or what?)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,982
    edited April 12
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    Or enough Republicans see the writing on the wall

    There comes a point when being against the Mad King is better than being for him
    Only if the things that keep MAGA in charge of the Republican party change.

    Which means Elon Musk will need to have lost all interest in politics (because otherwise you are lose the next election in the primaries before you even get started)

    And voters have decided on mass to vote Democrat..

    There is a lot of time (and problems) to go before we get to that point.
    The Court Jester is already on the way out. He tried to buy an election in Wisconsin and got his ass handed to him. He's no threat.

    If the GOP want to survive, they need to repent their dalliance with MAGA

    The Mad King, V.P Deliverance, Nazi Barbie, all of them will need to be expunged

    They need voters to be disillusioned with Trump, not Republicans, just as Tories needed BoZo to be the fall guy. Didn't work, but it's their only shot
  • eekeek Posts: 29,656
    DougSeal said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    Or enough Republicans see the writing on the wall

    There comes a point when being against the Mad King is better than being for him
    Only if the things that keep MAGA in charge of the Republican party change.

    Which means Elon Musk will need to have lost all interest in politics (because otherwise you are lose the next election in the primaries before you even get started)

    And voters have decided on mass to vote Democrat..

    There is a lot of time (and problems) to go before we get to that point.
    Fear of Musk will have diminished since he got his arse handed back to him in Wisconsin the other week.
    Not yet it won't - Musk may not help the Republicans win the election, he currently probably still has the power to make sure you aren't the Republican candidate after the primary..
  • eekeek Posts: 29,656

    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    It's quite a while since I read the New Testament - but that doesn't really chime with what I remember the overall message being.
    I am not completely up on this religion thing but I don't think that the Israelis are particularly up on the New Testament. I'm pretty sure that was the point of it all.
    I was faintly remembering HY as a Christian. It seemed like a rather un-Christian thought - even to project onto others.
    I always find it amusing when someone says that someone is acting in an “unchristian”, “unislamic”, “unhindu” manner. Etc.

    Especially when there are example of famous adherents to the various religious behaving exactly thus. Often within living memory.
    Unchristian is a strange one, as the most unchristian people I've ever met go to church most often and are often high up in the Deanery / Diocese.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,339
    ydoethur said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    It's quite a while since I read the New Testament - but that doesn't really chime with what I remember the overall message being.
    Tbf to Hyufd, that doesn't apply to Jews and he wasn't advocating it himself.
    Even Leviticus - 19:18 - suggests otherwise.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,252
    eek said:

    DougSeal said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    Or enough Republicans see the writing on the wall

    There comes a point when being against the Mad King is better than being for him
    Only if the things that keep MAGA in charge of the Republican party change.

    Which means Elon Musk will need to have lost all interest in politics (because otherwise you are lose the next election in the primaries before you even get started)

    And voters have decided on mass to vote Democrat..

    There is a lot of time (and problems) to go before we get to that point.
    Fear of Musk will have diminished since he got his arse handed back to him in Wisconsin the other week.
    Not yet it won't - Musk may not help the Republicans win the election, he currently probably still has the power to make sure you aren't the Republican candidate after the primary..
    Though given that Trump really likes tariffs and Musk really doesn't, there must be a chance that Musk decides to destroy the Donald.

    Whether that helps Trump or hinders him, I'm not sure.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,328
    College said:

    Scott_xP said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    After Big Nige called for the Nationalisation of the steel plant, the Refukkers didn't vote for it

    Wankers

    Does it actually nationalise it? I thought that would be in another bill. This one is just to keep the plates spinning.
    Still didn't vote for it
    There wasn't a vote. (I know that means they didn't vote for it, but was there an amendment or something they should have pushed harder for, or what?)
    Yeah, I couldn't see any mention of a vote on Hansard, and Tice said that his party would support it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,481
    ydoethur said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    It's quite a while since I read the New Testament - but that doesn't really chime with what I remember the overall message being.
    Tbf to Hyufd, that doesn't apply to Jews and he wasn't advocating it himself.
    HYUFD is a dick-head who thinks that Putin's Russia is a democracy.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,762
    MAGA supporters are funny people. So I do a video critical of the Lord Musk. But I say - and I have been consistent on this one- that he didn’t do a Nazi salute. I go further, suggesting that the people who screech on about it have an agenda. Ok, I then say that although I don’t think he’s a Nazi, some of his friends are. And then show him talking to the AfD conference.

    What have I just had? A guy ranting on about how I have bought into a MSM frenzy about him doing a Nazi salute.

    Yeah. Haven’t watched my video, but outraged by it. Like Kemi and Adolescence. Very angry that I said a thing despite me saying the literal opposite. Methinks some of them are absolutely paranoid. Going practically puce ranting about how the world is conspiring against them.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,074
    My wife is currently doing her Yougov and there is a question about the nationalisation of British Steel. 28% strongly in favour, 29% somewhat in favour at the moment. 33% don't know and no opposition to talk of. This is ongoing so these are not final figures but it is very unusual to see something quite so close to unanimous.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,982

    eek said:

    DougSeal said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    Or enough Republicans see the writing on the wall

    There comes a point when being against the Mad King is better than being for him
    Only if the things that keep MAGA in charge of the Republican party change.

    Which means Elon Musk will need to have lost all interest in politics (because otherwise you are lose the next election in the primaries before you even get started)

    And voters have decided on mass to vote Democrat..

    There is a lot of time (and problems) to go before we get to that point.
    Fear of Musk will have diminished since he got his arse handed back to him in Wisconsin the other week.
    Not yet it won't - Musk may not help the Republicans win the election, he currently probably still has the power to make sure you aren't the Republican candidate after the primary..
    Though given that Trump really likes tariffs and Musk really doesn't, there must be a chance that Musk decides to destroy the Donald.

    Whether that helps Trump or hinders him, I'm not sure.
    This may be the last week Trump mentions tariffs

    He needs to try and unwind the whole sorry shitshow.

    Even then their economy is still badly damaged
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,380

    MAGA supporters are funny people. So I do a video critical of the Lord Musk. But I say - and I have been consistent on this one- that he didn’t do a Nazi salute. I go further, suggesting that the people who screech on about it have an agenda. Ok, I then say that although I don’t think he’s a Nazi, some of his friends are. And then show him talking to the AfD conference.

    What have I just had? A guy ranting on about how I have bought into a MSM frenzy about him doing a Nazi salute.

    Yeah. Haven’t watched my video, but outraged by it. Like Kemi and Adolescence. Very angry that I said a thing despite me saying the literal opposite. Methinks some of them are absolutely paranoid. Going practically puce ranting about how the world is conspiring against them.

    They lack basic comprehension skills.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,339
    Scott_xP said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    Or enough Republicans see the writing on the wall

    There comes a point when being against the Mad King is better than being for him
    Only if the things that keep MAGA in charge of the Republican party change.

    Which means Elon Musk will need to have lost all interest in politics (because otherwise you are lose the next election in the primaries before you even get started)

    And voters have decided on mass to vote Democrat..

    There is a lot of time (and problems) to go before we get to that point.
    The Court Jester is already on the way out. He tried to buy an election in Wisconsin and got his ass handed to him. He's no threat.

    If the GOP want to survive, they need to repent their dalliance with MAGA

    The Mad King, V.P Deliverance, Nazi Barbie, all of them will need to be expunged

    They need voters to be disillusioned with Trump, not Republicans, just as Tories needed BoZo to be the fall guy. Didn't work, but it's their only shot
    The GOP essentially is MAGA.
    It's way more than a 'dalliance'.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,178
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    I think that Trump is going to be impeached after the midterms when the Democrats take the House (80% probability) but not convicted by the Senate unless the Democrats also take the Senate (30% probability).

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    There are 35 Senate races (33 regular and 2 special). But the Democrats already hold 13 of these. So there are 22 Republican seats up for election.

    *IF* the Democrats were to win every single one, that would get them to 69.

    But that would require them to win not just plausible (but difficult) States - like Alaska, Florida, Texas, Iowa, and Ohio - but also deep Red ones like:

    Arkansas
    Alabama
    Kansas
    Montana
    Idaho
    Kentucky
    Louisiana
    Mississippi
    West Virginia
    Wyoming
    and
    Oklahoma

    I mean: is it possible in a wave year that Kansas or Montana went Blue? Sure: but to get 67 seats in the Senate would require the Republicans to only hold two states.

    And I think that is unlikely to the point of near impossibility.
    Montana had a Dem senator until this year, of course, although I appreciate he was very much an outlier. As was the formerly Dem senator in West Virginia.
    And it's entirely possible, in a year when the Republicans do particularly poorly, and the Dems put up some sensible centrists, that a few of those fall.

    What is not particularly plausible is for 20 of 22 Republican held Senate seats to fall at the midterms.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,982
    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    I think that Trump is going to be impeached after the midterms when the Democrats take the House (80% probability) but not convicted by the Senate unless the Democrats also take the Senate (30% probability).

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    There are 35 Senate races (33 regular and 2 special). But the Democrats already hold 13 of these. So there are 22 Republican seats up for election.

    *IF* the Democrats were to win every single one, that would get them to 69.

    But that would require them to win not just plausible (but difficult) States - like Alaska, Florida, Texas, Iowa, and Ohio - but also deep Red ones like:

    Arkansas
    Alabama
    Kansas
    Montana
    Idaho
    Kentucky
    Louisiana
    Mississippi
    West Virginia
    Wyoming
    and
    Oklahoma

    I mean: is it possible in a wave year that Kansas or Montana went Blue? Sure: but to get 67 seats in the Senate would require the Republicans to only hold two states.

    And I think that is unlikely to the point of near impossibility.
    Montana had a Dem senator until this year, of course, although I appreciate he was very much an outlier. As was the formerly Dem senator in West Virginia.
    And it's entirely possible, in a year when the Republicans do particularly poorly, and the Dems put up some sensible centrists, that a few of those fall.

    What is not particularly plausible is for 20 of 22 Republican held Senate seats to fall at the midterms.
    They don't need to fall

    They just need to vote to get rid of Trump, and by then it will probably be in their interest to do so
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,353
    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    I think that Trump is going to be impeached after the midterms when the Democrats take the House (80% probability) but not convicted by the Senate unless the Democrats also take the Senate (30% probability).

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    There are 35 Senate races (33 regular and 2 special). But the Democrats already hold 13 of these. So there are 22 Republican seats up for election.

    *IF* the Democrats were to win every single one, that would get them to 69.

    But that would require them to win not just plausible (but difficult) States - like Alaska, Florida, Texas, Iowa, and Ohio - but also deep Red ones like:

    Arkansas
    Alabama
    Kansas
    Montana
    Idaho
    Kentucky
    Louisiana
    Mississippi
    West Virginia
    Wyoming
    and
    Oklahoma

    I mean: is it possible in a wave year that Kansas or Montana went Blue? Sure: but to get 67 seats in the Senate would require the Republicans to only hold two states.

    And I think that is unlikely to the point of near impossibility.
    Montana had a Dem senator until this year, of course, although I appreciate he was very much an outlier. As was the formerly Dem senator in West Virginia.
    And it's entirely possible, in a year when the Republicans do particularly poorly, and the Dems put up some sensible centrists, that a few of those fall.

    What is not particularly plausible is for 20 of 22 Republican held Senate seats to fall at the midterms.
    So, we are back to the 25th then?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,481
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    Or enough Republicans see the writing on the wall

    There comes a point when being against the Mad King is better than being for him
    Only if the things that keep MAGA in charge of the Republican party change.

    Which means Elon Musk will need to have lost all interest in politics (because otherwise you are lose the next election in the primaries before you even get started)

    And voters have decided on mass to vote Democrat..

    There is a lot of time (and problems) to go before we get to that point.
    The Court Jester is already on the way out. He tried to buy an election in Wisconsin and got his ass handed to him. He's no threat.

    If the GOP want to survive, they need to repent their dalliance with MAGA

    The Mad King, V.P Deliverance, Nazi Barbie, all of them will need to be expunged

    They need voters to be disillusioned with Trump, not Republicans, just as Tories needed BoZo to be the fall guy. Didn't work, but it's their only shot
    The GOP essentially is MAGA.
    It's way more than a 'dalliance'.
    RADICAL RIGHT LUNATICS!!!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,545

    Rory three clear, having hit 6 threes...

    Reminds me of the old rugby player nicknamed ‘36’ - Billy Twelvetrees…
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,241

    Rory three clear, having hit 6 threes...

    Pah! This is on you.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,363

    MAGA supporters are funny people. So I do a video critical of the Lord Musk. But I say - and I have been consistent on this one- that he didn’t do a Nazi salute. I go further, suggesting that the people who screech on about it have an agenda. Ok, I then say that although I don’t think he’s a Nazi, some of his friends are. And then show him talking to the AfD conference.

    What have I just had? A guy ranting on about how I have bought into a MSM frenzy about him doing a Nazi salute.

    Yeah. Haven’t watched my video, but outraged by it. Like Kemi and Adolescence. Very angry that I said a thing despite me saying the literal opposite. Methinks some of them are absolutely paranoid. Going practically puce ranting about how the world is conspiring against them.

    They lack basic comprehension skills.
    IMHO it's a matter of only registering a few key words read or heard and the brain joins the dots according to the expected narrative.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,353
    Why on AOC and Bernie's campaign stuff is the word 'oligarch' bigger than 'Fight'?

    Who the fuck knows what the former means. Just put 'Fight' in big letters.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,776
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    It's quite a while since I read the New Testament - but that doesn't really chime with what I remember the overall message being.
    Tbf to Hyufd, that doesn't apply to Jews and he wasn't advocating it himself.
    Even Leviticus - 19:18 - suggests otherwise.
    Exodus 21:23-27
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,776
    Scott_xP said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    Or enough Republicans see the writing on the wall

    There comes a point when being against the Mad King is better than being for him
    Only if the things that keep MAGA in charge of the Republican party change.

    Which means Elon Musk will need to have lost all interest in politics (because otherwise you are lose the next election in the primaries before you even get started)

    And voters have decided on mass to vote Democrat..

    There is a lot of time (and problems) to go before we get to that point.
    The Court Jester is already on the way out. He tried to buy an election in Wisconsin and got his ass handed to him. He's no threat.

    If the GOP want to survive, they need to repent their dalliance with MAGA

    The Mad King, V.P Deliverance, Nazi Barbie, all of them will need to be expunged

    They need voters to be disillusioned with Trump, not Republicans, just as Tories needed BoZo to be the fall guy. Didn't work, but it's their only shot
    It was MAGA which probably won Trump the last election, without MAGA who are today's GOP? A few rich country club white men mainly which is nowhere near enough to win.

    It was Boris who also won the white working class voters the Tories have now lost to Farage
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,776

    eek said:

    DougSeal said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    Or enough Republicans see the writing on the wall

    There comes a point when being against the Mad King is better than being for him
    Only if the things that keep MAGA in charge of the Republican party change.

    Which means Elon Musk will need to have lost all interest in politics (because otherwise you are lose the next election in the primaries before you even get started)

    And voters have decided on mass to vote Democrat..

    There is a lot of time (and problems) to go before we get to that point.
    Fear of Musk will have diminished since he got his arse handed back to him in Wisconsin the other week.
    Not yet it won't - Musk may not help the Republicans win the election, he currently probably still has the power to make sure you aren't the Republican candidate after the primary..
    Though given that Trump really likes tariffs and Musk really doesn't, there must be a chance that Musk decides to destroy the Donald.

    Whether that helps Trump or hinders him, I'm not sure.
    Musk could be Trump's Cummings
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,776
    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    How’s that working out for them?
    Well Israel is still standing and growing
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,982
    HYUFD said:

    It was MAGA which probably won Trump the last election, without MAGA who are today's GOP? A few rich country club white men mainly which is nowhere near enough to win.

    It was Boris who also won the white working class voters the Tories have now lost to Farage

    Trump told them tariffs were going to bring their jobs back

    None of that was true, and now the tariffs are gone

    Republicans need to make the case that Trump lied to them
  • eekeek Posts: 29,656
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    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    35m
    Not that China would do this, but what happens if Xi decides to place export controls on the very same items that Trump just exempted from tariffs?

    We just completely showed our hand on what we cannot afford to have cut off to us.

    The interesting bit there is the current ban on export of the highest end computer chips to China.

    I could easily see China deciding to issue a requirement for additional custom checks for such products where said checks add a lot of time while requesting export restrictions be removed..
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,776
    edited April 12
    Scott_xP said:

    HYUFD said:

    It was MAGA which probably won Trump the last election, without MAGA who are today's GOP? A few rich country club white men mainly which is nowhere near enough to win.

    It was Boris who also won the white working class voters the Tories have now lost to Farage

    Trump told them tariffs were going to bring their jobs back

    None of that was true, and now the tariffs are gone

    Republicans need to make the case that Trump lied to them
    How do you know? Tariffs have only been on a week or so, if more US goods are bought and US production expands some rustbelt jobs may come back.

    Yes if you buy a lot of imports it will be costly but Trump is doing what he campaigned to do and global tariffs still are there at 10% and more for China with a few exemptions
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,776
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    It's quite a while since I read the New Testament - but that doesn't really chime with what I remember the overall message being.
    Tbf to Hyufd, that doesn't apply to Jews and he wasn't advocating it himself.
    Even Leviticus - 19:18 - suggests otherwise.
    Exodus 21:23-27
    Plus Deuteronomy 32:35:
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,668

    Why on AOC and Bernie's campaign stuff is the word 'oligarch' bigger than 'Fight'?

    Who the fuck knows what the former means. Just put 'Fight' in big letters.

    It’s Sanders’ favourite word:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1910765238049288573
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,481
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a serious incident at HMP Frankland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

    What a nice chap...
    https://x.com/shabanamahmood/status/1911097648385241356

    I am appalled by the attack of three brave officers at HMP Frankland today. My thoughts are with them and their families.

    The police are now investigating. I will be pushing for the strongest possible punishment. Violence against our staff will never be tolerated.
    The strongest possible punishment being imprisonment? Hmm.

    Meanwhile, if he threw boiling oil over them, perhaps it is time to revisit the guidelines on who can work in prison kitchens.
    They could put him in solitary confinement. It seems somewhat justified in the circumstances.
    Just execute him. Enough. He killed dozens of young girls. He’s 100% guilty. He’s now injuring more

    Hang him
    He is serving a 55 year jail sentence anyway
    Which, from the prison officer's point of view, is a nightmare because they simply have no means to control him and he can take any opportunity given to hurt more people. I mean, not giving him access to hot oil seems the start of a plan but how do you manage someone like that? Just imagine going to work every day supervising a psychopath like that with absolutely nothing to lose. It's not a job I would fancy.

    People want long sentences for monsters like this, and rightly so, but boy do we create a problem for the Prison Service.
    Just put him in solitary for 6 months, they have done it for Tommy Robinson for much less
    And then? For the next 54 years?
    The Israelis put their worst terrorists and murderers in solitary cells underground and never let them out until they are dead
    It's quite a while since I read the New Testament - but that doesn't really chime with what I remember the overall message being.
    Tbf to Hyufd, that doesn't apply to Jews and he wasn't advocating it himself.
    Even Leviticus - 19:18 - suggests otherwise.
    Exodus 21:23-27
    Plus Deuteronomy 32:35:
    "Dear Conrad: Thank you for your letter. Praise the Lord. I know you must be so happy that He chose to spare Dr. Hudson. The Big Guy moves in mysterious ways, don't He? It just so happens I'm awaiting the arrival of a pair of genuine Helen Hudson undies... signed personal to me. A real collector's item, I'm sure you know. They're yours. But don't forget, a disciple must be strong... if he is to succeed where others fail. Peter strayed from the path and the Lord smote him good. So keep it simple. Then glory is yours... and "vengeance is mine", as the Good Book says. I know you'll get my meaning. Happy hunting, partner. Daryll Lee Cullum."
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,036

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    I think that Trump is going to be impeached after the midterms when the Democrats take the House (80% probability) but not convicted by the Senate unless the Democrats also take the Senate (30% probability).

    It is all but impossible for Trump be convicted by the Senate, because that requires 67 votes.

    Currently, the Democrats (including indoDems, Sanders and King) have 47.

    Therefore, the Democrats would need to *gain* 20 Senate seats at the midterms.

    There are 35 Senate races (33 regular and 2 special). But the Democrats already hold 13 of these. So there are 22 Republican seats up for election.

    *IF* the Democrats were to win every single one, that would get them to 69.

    But that would require them to win not just plausible (but difficult) States - like Alaska, Florida, Texas, Iowa, and Ohio - but also deep Red ones like:

    Arkansas
    Alabama
    Kansas
    Montana
    Idaho
    Kentucky
    Louisiana
    Mississippi
    West Virginia
    Wyoming
    and
    Oklahoma

    I mean: is it possible in a wave year that Kansas or Montana went Blue? Sure: but to get 67 seats in the Senate would require the Republicans to only hold two states.

    And I think that is unlikely to the point of near impossibility.
    Montana had a Dem senator until this year, of course, although I appreciate he was very much an outlier. As was the formerly Dem senator in West Virginia.
    And it's entirely possible, in a year when the Republicans do particularly poorly, and the Dems put up some sensible centrists, that a few of those fall.

    What is not particularly plausible is for 20 of 22 Republican held Senate seats to fall at the midterms.
    So, we are back to the 25th then?
    Yep. With a cabinet full of Yes men and people who appear on Fox News.
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