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  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,052
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...

    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Yet another idiot who thinks you can solve an economical malaise by dumping a big shiny taxpayer funded bit of infrastructure on it, like putting a garden gnome on a patch of weeds and expecting it to become a garden.
    Leaving aside the abuse, which there really isn't any call for, it is indeed stupid to think that a bit of infrastructure *by itself* will resolve an economic malaise. But it does play a part if done properly and in conjunction with other measures.
    It’s really simple - the easiest way to improve the quality of life for people is to offer them more opportunities for work by expanding the options within an x0 minute commute. That has an additional advantage as it also gives employers more options when trying to recruit people.

    And the best way of doing that is improving public transport and the best way of doing that is by building a proper metro system
    Guess which form of transport in London now has 1.3 million journeys per day, at a cost of less than £1 billion over the last 10 years?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,612

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    13 year old white kid isn't exactly representative of society's problems..in the legacy medias mind it is though..🤔
    I doubt the creators of the program did it deliberately - given the actor who plays the father was one of the creators and was always going to star in it, so the race had to match, at least partly.

    The question is whether it would have been commissioned by Netflix if the boy was not white, and whether we'd be talking about it if the boy was not white.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,846
    edited April 10
    Bogota said:

    Dow down nearly 1300 points now. Art of the deal. Time for another Trump social post capitulating to China but calling it a win.

    The market abusers salt of the earth investors have locked in their profits. So it doesn't matter. Job done.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214

    TOPPING said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Bogota said:

    Dow down nearly 1300 points now. Art of the deal. Time for another Trump social post capitulating to China but calling it a win.

    @atrupar.com‬

    small but significant thing I've noticed on Fox Business on days when market is tanking & Trump is president - they only show the Nasdaq ticker in the corner, not the Dow, to give people the impression the market isn't down as much as it actually is (the Dow is currently down more than 1,100 points)

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmhsvvwfcr2w
    The S&P is a better guide to the US stock market: much more broadly based - and is down nearly three and a half percent.

    Why wouldn't it be? The tariff war is still on with China, 10% is a damn sight more than nothing, and a postponement is not a cancellation. Add in all the uncertainty that the in-out / on-off / up-down of tariff rates has caused and why would businesses be looking to invest and employ right now, when they've no idea what their costs will be from one hour to the next?
    Everything's down 3% and everything was up yday 8-10% and before that down and before that...

    Don't get too tied up with it all.

    I can assure you that the core of Trump's support don't have huge stock portfolios.
    Well, it's down five percent now.

    Yes, day-to-day movements will fluctuate all over in this current chaos. But while Trump carries on as he is doing, mostly down (other than US bond yields).
    The central mystery is not why US markets are falling now, it's why they rose so much yesterday.

    As long as the US is basically not buying stuff from China, all sorts of businesses are in really quite deep doodoo.

    Captains of American Industry- do you still think you can control him?
    Yes, the behaviour of traders yesterday is the kind of thing that prevents me from playing the stock market: completely irrational. Which does mean that it should have been a good selling opportunity - but again, only if people behave rationally and not like a flock of spooked or greedy sheep.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,802
    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    Ah interesting. Thanks (and welcome back).

    Bonkers. I don't mind if it's shown in every school and what I took away from it was the dangers of peer pressure, social media amplification, and isolation.

    I didn't note any race issue, apart from the fact that Stephen Graham is of Jamaican heritage which I suppose both "sides" choose to overlook.
    It’s got nothing to do with race. As usual it’s been hijacked by the culture warriors
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,169
    TimS said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    Ah interesting. Thanks (and welcome back).

    Bonkers. I don't mind if it's shown in every school and what I took away from it was the dangers of peer pressure, social media amplification, and isolation.

    I didn't note any race issue, apart from the fact that Stephen Graham is of Jamaican heritage which I suppose both "sides" choose to overlook.
    It’s got nothing to do with race. As usual it’s been hijacked by the culture warriors
    It is time for a Minister for Men (and boys). Things like no screening for prostate cancer need addressing as well as the impact of social media on boys education and socialisation.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,802
    edited April 10
    Having my first trip in a BYD (an uber in Mexico City). First impressions: very bog standard.

    But that’s surely the future of EVs. It’s time they moved on from being luxury toys. One reason I quite like my Renault Zoe (though that’s perhaps a tad too bog standard).
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,608

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...

    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Yet another idiot who thinks you can solve an economical malaise by dumping a big shiny taxpayer funded bit of infrastructure on it, like putting a garden gnome on a patch of weeds and expecting it to become a garden.
    Leaving aside the abuse, which there really isn't any call for, it is indeed stupid to think that a bit of infrastructure *by itself* will resolve an economic malaise. But it does play a part if done properly and in conjunction with other measures.
    So what other taxpayer funded infrastructure would you select? A shiny new civic centre? A wool industry heritage museum?

    These places have been made economically unviable due to the burden of taxation, overregulation, the high minimum wage, and the scandalous cost of energy. You cannot unwind that with a shiny tram, or (in my opinion) a selection of other accoutrements, however well judged.

    I am sorry if I am being unduly harsh, but the issue is a frustrating one. Towns that have expensive transport systems are generally towns that have prospered and can afford them. Correlation does not equal causation.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,658

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    13 year old white kid isn't exactly representative of society's problems..in the legacy medias mind it is though..🤔
    The recent rise in employers' National Insurance contributions would have made a less compelling TV drama.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,966
    edited April 10
    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Immigration judge backed calls to decriminalise illegal UK entry

    Social media posts shared by Greg Ó Ceallaigh also criticised President Trump and said the Tory party should be dealt with ‘like Nazis’" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/78bf9b12-1cbf-4caa-b08e-42b0adf0d140?shareToken=3780356a6206b9907de7da6c31070296

    How did someone as biased as him get appointed in the first place?
    No doubt Kemi will ask next PMQs and no doubt Starmer will say the Conservatives appointed him. That is pretty much the story of Kemi's leadership.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,028
    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more complicated, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
    Of course it's more complicated. But there is a deep-seated antithetical feeling between "China' and "Japan".

    Instead of our former colonies perhaps there is a better example closer to home. There is generally a great degree of resentment towards "Great Britain" by "Ireland". All in scare quotes because individually that is often not the case and there are great people flows and exchanges between the two countries. But more broadly, Ireland resents Britain for what it believes are terrible historic and ongoing injustices.

    Likewise, more broadly, China is antipathetic towards Japan for those historic injustices and outrages.
    I certainly agree that the relationship between Great Britain and Ireland has many similarities to Japan and China. Its a love/hate relationship too. Irish people watch British TV and news, we drink in Irish pubs and love to see the Irish horses, but there is deep historical grievance on both sides alongside.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,658
    edited April 10
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    "Adolescence" is about misogyny and manosphere, not race. So the right don't like it.

    There have been some excellent recent programmes on other aspects of knife violence including racial issues, such as this recent one by Idris Elba.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0027ffx

    Incidentally, as per @Cyclefree header the other day, I opposed showing Adolescence in schools. Not least because even intelligent adults often misinterpret it, see below on that header.
    I definitely think it should be shown in schools. The dangers and issues it deals with are, as you note, nothing to do with race but all about the challenges facing teenagers and young adults in the age of social media, social media influencers, and the pervasive nature of the internet in their lives.

    I wouldn't have thought about race for one moment. It wasn't' immediately clear what race the victim was.

    "The Right" have got it wrong on this one. As, I suppose, with so much else.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,436
    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more nuanced, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
    My impression is that Japanese rule, in Formosa (as it then was), was not unpopular. It went from being a province of the Chinese empire to a province of the Japanese empire, and Japan was a better ruler.

    There was more resentment in Korea, as that was an ancient nation, with its own dynasty.

    But, the treatment of the Chinese, and the peoples they conquered from 1931 onwards, was deliberately sadistic.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,802
    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more complicated, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
    Of course it's more complicated. But there is a deep-seated antithetical feeling between "China' and "Japan".

    Instead of our former colonies perhaps there is a better example closer to home. There is generally a great degree of resentment towards "Great Britain" by "Ireland". All in scare quotes because individually that is often not the case and there are great people flows and exchanges between the two countries. But more broadly, Ireland resents Britain for what it believes are terrible historic and ongoing injustices.

    Likewise, more broadly, China is antipathetic towards Japan for those historic injustices and outrages.
    I certainly agree that the relationship between Great Britain and Ireland has many similarities to Japan and China. Its a love/hate relationship too. Irish people watch British TV and news, we drink in Irish pubs and love to see the Irish horses, but there is deep historical grievance on both sides alongside.

    I’m not sure there’s any historical grievance on the UK side, beyond the NI unionists. More like blithe ignorance of our history.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,802
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    13 year old white kid isn't exactly representative of society's problems..in the legacy medias mind it is though..🤔
    The recent rise in employers' National Insurance contributions would have made a less compelling TV drama.
    Agricultural property relief on the other hand.
    But I suppose Amazon prime already has that covered with the next series of Clarkson’s Farm.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,517
    Philippe Sands is awesome, proving lawyers are the best of humanity.

    Britain is backing plans for a Nuremberg-style trial of Vladimir Putin in the face of opposition from Donald Trump.

    The UK will support proposals at the Council of Europe next month calling for Russians to be prosecuted for “crimes of aggression” during the invasion of Ukraine.

    The idea would involve setting up a military tribunal, modelled on the Nazi trials after the Second World War, to prosecute Russian leaders and generals for war crimes.

    Some lawyers, including Sir Keir Starmer’s long-time friend Philippe Sands, have suggested the ad hoc court should be established specifically to deal with crimes of aggression, which are defined by the United Nations as “invasion or attack by the armed forces of a state on the territory of another state, or any military occupation”.

    Some Western countries, including the UK, have said that Russians should be tried on those grounds for the political decision to invade, not only for war crimes committed on Ukrainian soil once the war began.

    The International Criminal Court (ICC) in the Hague cannot examine the “crime of aggression”, and is not recognised by either Russia or the US.

    The plan for a new court to examine crimes of aggression was first suggested in 2022. It was backed by the Ukrainian government and Joe Biden’s administration, which sent funding and American prosecutors to help set it up.

    However, Donald Trump withdrew all US involvement in the plan after his inauguration in January, as part of his strategy to be more conciliatory towards Moscow.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/04/10/britain-backs-nuremberg-style-russia-trial-trump-opposition/
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,076
    edited April 10
    In memory of happier days, here is a video of James Callaghan in 1995 in the House of Commons Procedure Committee. He was 83 at the time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTGZ6BnVIlo&list=PLqvRmwLTWUzTAKYqaNOO6FaBuf6ONrim1&index=8
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,679
    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more complicated, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
    Of course it's more complicated. But there is a deep-seated antithetical feeling between "China' and "Japan".

    Instead of our former colonies perhaps there is a better example closer to home. There is generally a great degree of resentment towards "Great Britain" by "Ireland". All in scare quotes because individually that is often not the case and there are great people flows and exchanges between the two countries. But more broadly, Ireland resents Britain for what it believes are terrible historic and ongoing injustices.

    Likewise, more broadly, China is antipathetic towards Japan for those historic injustices and outrages.
    I certainly agree that the relationship between Great Britain and Ireland has many similarities to Japan and China. Its a love/hate relationship too. Irish people watch British TV and news, we drink in Irish pubs and love to see the Irish horses, but there is deep historical grievance on both sides alongside.

    I think it's more a hate/ignorance relationship. They hate us. We are ignorant about them.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,658
    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more complicated, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
    Of course it's more complicated. But there is a deep-seated antithetical feeling between "China' and "Japan".

    Instead of our former colonies perhaps there is a better example closer to home. There is generally a great degree of resentment towards "Great Britain" by "Ireland". All in scare quotes because individually that is often not the case and there are great people flows and exchanges between the two countries. But more broadly, Ireland resents Britain for what it believes are terrible historic and ongoing injustices.

    Likewise, more broadly, China is antipathetic towards Japan for those historic injustices and outrages.
    I certainly agree that the relationship between Great Britain and Ireland has many similarities to Japan and China. Its a love/hate relationship too. Irish people watch British TV and news, we drink in Irish pubs and love to see the Irish horses, but there is deep historical grievance on both sides alongside.

    I’m not sure there’s any historical grievance on the UK side, beyond the NI unionists. More like blithe ignorance of our history.
    Well exactly.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,226

    Philippe Sands is awesome, proving lawyers are the best of humanity.

    Britain is backing plans for a Nuremberg-style trial of Vladimir Putin in the face of opposition from Donald Trump.

    The UK will support proposals at the Council of Europe next month calling for Russians to be prosecuted for “crimes of aggression” during the invasion of Ukraine.

    The idea would involve setting up a military tribunal, modelled on the Nazi trials after the Second World War, to prosecute Russian leaders and generals for war crimes.

    Some lawyers, including Sir Keir Starmer’s long-time friend Philippe Sands, have suggested the ad hoc court should be established specifically to deal with crimes of aggression, which are defined by the United Nations as “invasion or attack by the armed forces of a state on the territory of another state, or any military occupation”.

    Some Western countries, including the UK, have said that Russians should be tried on those grounds for the political decision to invade, not only for war crimes committed on Ukrainian soil once the war began.

    The International Criminal Court (ICC) in the Hague cannot examine the “crime of aggression”, and is not recognised by either Russia or the US.

    The plan for a new court to examine crimes of aggression was first suggested in 2022. It was backed by the Ukrainian government and Joe Biden’s administration, which sent funding and American prosecutors to help set it up.

    However, Donald Trump withdrew all US involvement in the plan after his inauguration in January, as part of his strategy to be more conciliatory towards Moscow.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/04/10/britain-backs-nuremberg-style-russia-trial-trump-opposition/

    If Putin is executed, will we finally be able to say he was well hung?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,517
    viewcode said:

    In memory of happier days, here is a video of James Callaghan in 1995 in the House of Commons Procedure Committee. He was 83 at the time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTGZ6BnVIlo&list=PLqvRmwLTWUzTAKYqaNOO6FaBuf6ONrim1&index=8

    On that same note.

    The 1996 Democratic Party convention doing the Macarena.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHRysTfaMi4
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,436
    edited April 10

    Philippe Sands is awesome, proving lawyers are the best of humanity.

    Britain is backing plans for a Nuremberg-style trial of Vladimir Putin in the face of opposition from Donald Trump.

    The UK will support proposals at the Council of Europe next month calling for Russians to be prosecuted for “crimes of aggression” during the invasion of Ukraine.

    The idea would involve setting up a military tribunal, modelled on the Nazi trials after the Second World War, to prosecute Russian leaders and generals for war crimes.

    Some lawyers, including Sir Keir Starmer’s long-time friend Philippe Sands, have suggested the ad hoc court should be established specifically to deal with crimes of aggression, which are defined by the United Nations as “invasion or attack by the armed forces of a state on the territory of another state, or any military occupation”.

    Some Western countries, including the UK, have said that Russians should be tried on those grounds for the political decision to invade, not only for war crimes committed on Ukrainian soil once the war began.

    The International Criminal Court (ICC) in the Hague cannot examine the “crime of aggression”, and is not recognised by either Russia or the US.

    The plan for a new court to examine crimes of aggression was first suggested in 2022. It was backed by the Ukrainian government and Joe Biden’s administration, which sent funding and American prosecutors to help set it up.

    However, Donald Trump withdrew all US involvement in the plan after his inauguration in January, as part of his strategy to be more conciliatory towards Moscow.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/04/10/britain-backs-nuremberg-style-russia-trial-trump-opposition/

    Much as I’d like to see Putin sent to the gallows, I doubt if this proposal will get anywhere.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,785
    DougSeal said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more complicated, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
    Of course it's more complicated. But there is a deep-seated antithetical feeling between "China' and "Japan".

    Instead of our former colonies perhaps there is a better example closer to home. There is generally a great degree of resentment towards "Great Britain" by "Ireland". All in scare quotes because individually that is often not the case and there are great people flows and exchanges between the two countries. But more broadly, Ireland resents Britain for what it believes are terrible historic and ongoing injustices.

    Likewise, more broadly, China is antipathetic towards Japan for those historic injustices and outrages.
    I certainly agree that the relationship between Great Britain and Ireland has many similarities to Japan and China. Its a love/hate relationship too. Irish people watch British TV and news, we drink in Irish pubs and love to see the Irish horses, but there is deep historical grievance on both sides alongside.

    I think it's more a hate/ignorance relationship. They hate us. We are ignorant about them.
    Total crap. "They" don't hate "us" and many of "them" know that many many of "us" are descended from "them".
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,469
    DougSeal said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more complicated, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
    Of course it's more complicated. But there is a deep-seated antithetical feeling between "China' and "Japan".

    Instead of our former colonies perhaps there is a better example closer to home. There is generally a great degree of resentment towards "Great Britain" by "Ireland". All in scare quotes because individually that is often not the case and there are great people flows and exchanges between the two countries. But more broadly, Ireland resents Britain for what it believes are terrible historic and ongoing injustices.

    Likewise, more broadly, China is antipathetic towards Japan for those historic injustices and outrages.
    I certainly agree that the relationship between Great Britain and Ireland has many similarities to Japan and China. Its a love/hate relationship too. Irish people watch British TV and news, we drink in Irish pubs and love to see the Irish horses, but there is deep historical grievance on both sides alongside.

    I think it's more a hate/ignorance relationship. They hate us. We are ignorant about them.
    I don't think they hate us. My wife and I went to Dublin for a holiday a few years ago. The guides were quite chatty and friendly. The companies weren't averse to receiving our money as tourists so I'm sure they don't despise us that much. It's the old old story. It's a hundred years at least since partition and people now are not responsible for any of it. I think it's a case of a good story from the past to build a tourist industry over.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,966

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...

    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Trams are not rubbish. At a price below x per mile.

    Everything is rubbish when it reaches a high enough price.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,213

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...

    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Trams are not rubbish. At a price below x per mile.

    Everything is rubbish when it reaches a high enough price.
    Until enough time has passed, the cost of it is forgotten, and the utility remains.

    IMV with infrastructure, in the long term, it is rubbish if it is specced, or built, to be rubbish.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 84

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    Because the world is not PB
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,658

    DougSeal said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more complicated, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
    Of course it's more complicated. But there is a deep-seated antithetical feeling between "China' and "Japan".

    Instead of our former colonies perhaps there is a better example closer to home. There is generally a great degree of resentment towards "Great Britain" by "Ireland". All in scare quotes because individually that is often not the case and there are great people flows and exchanges between the two countries. But more broadly, Ireland resents Britain for what it believes are terrible historic and ongoing injustices.

    Likewise, more broadly, China is antipathetic towards Japan for those historic injustices and outrages.
    I certainly agree that the relationship between Great Britain and Ireland has many similarities to Japan and China. Its a love/hate relationship too. Irish people watch British TV and news, we drink in Irish pubs and love to see the Irish horses, but there is deep historical grievance on both sides alongside.

    I think it's more a hate/ignorance relationship. They hate us. We are ignorant about them.
    I don't think they hate us. My wife and I went to Dublin for a holiday a few years ago. The guides were quite chatty and friendly. The companies weren't averse to receiving our money as tourists so I'm sure they don't despise us that much. It's the old old story. It's a hundred years at least since partition and people now are not responsible for any of it. I think it's a case of a good story from the past to build a tourist industry over.
    Of course they don't hate us individually but "Ireland" historically and today maintains a grievance against us for ills perpetrated in the past.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,802

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...

    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Trams are not rubbish. At a price below x per mile.

    Everything is rubbish when it reaches a high enough price.
    Trams are aesthetically nice. They make cities look more sophisticated and European. Like cobbles, outdoor cafes and church bells.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,408
    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    Perhaps because the colour of the offender cast is the majority case in stats.
  • Sean_F said:

    Philippe Sands is awesome, proving lawyers are the best of humanity.

    Britain is backing plans for a Nuremberg-style trial of Vladimir Putin in the face of opposition from Donald Trump.

    The UK will support proposals at the Council of Europe next month calling for Russians to be prosecuted for “crimes of aggression” during the invasion of Ukraine.

    The idea would involve setting up a military tribunal, modelled on the Nazi trials after the Second World War, to prosecute Russian leaders and generals for war crimes.

    Some lawyers, including Sir Keir Starmer’s long-time friend Philippe Sands, have suggested the ad hoc court should be established specifically to deal with crimes of aggression, which are defined by the United Nations as “invasion or attack by the armed forces of a state on the territory of another state, or any military occupation”.

    Some Western countries, including the UK, have said that Russians should be tried on those grounds for the political decision to invade, not only for war crimes committed on Ukrainian soil once the war began.

    The International Criminal Court (ICC) in the Hague cannot examine the “crime of aggression”, and is not recognised by either Russia or the US.

    The plan for a new court to examine crimes of aggression was first suggested in 2022. It was backed by the Ukrainian government and Joe Biden’s administration, which sent funding and American prosecutors to help set it up.

    However, Donald Trump withdrew all US involvement in the plan after his inauguration in January, as part of his strategy to be more conciliatory towards Moscow.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/04/10/britain-backs-nuremberg-style-russia-trial-trump-opposition/

    Much as I’d like to see Putin sent to the gallows, I doubt if this proposal will get anywhere.
    Well, as Mrs Beaton put it, "First you have to catch your hare"
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,658

    DougSeal said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more complicated, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
    Of course it's more complicated. But there is a deep-seated antithetical feeling between "China' and "Japan".

    Instead of our former colonies perhaps there is a better example closer to home. There is generally a great degree of resentment towards "Great Britain" by "Ireland". All in scare quotes because individually that is often not the case and there are great people flows and exchanges between the two countries. But more broadly, Ireland resents Britain for what it believes are terrible historic and ongoing injustices.

    Likewise, more broadly, China is antipathetic towards Japan for those historic injustices and outrages.
    I certainly agree that the relationship between Great Britain and Ireland has many similarities to Japan and China. Its a love/hate relationship too. Irish people watch British TV and news, we drink in Irish pubs and love to see the Irish horses, but there is deep historical grievance on both sides alongside.

    I think it's more a hate/ignorance relationship. They hate us. We are ignorant about them.
    Total crap. "They" don't hate "us" and many of "them" know that many many of "us" are descended from "them".
    What about the Occupied Territories. Shouldn't we just get out?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 910
    Eabhal said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...

    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Yet another idiot who thinks you can solve an economical malaise by dumping a big shiny taxpayer funded bit of infrastructure on it, like putting a garden gnome on a patch of weeds and expecting it to become a garden.
    Leaving aside the abuse, which there really isn't any call for, it is indeed stupid to think that a bit of infrastructure *by itself* will resolve an economic malaise. But it does play a part if done properly and in conjunction with other measures.
    It’s really simple - the easiest way to improve the quality of life for people is to offer them more opportunities for work by expanding the options within an x0 minute commute. That has an additional advantage as it also gives employers more options when trying to recruit people.

    And the best way of doing that is improving public transport and the best way of doing that is by building a proper metro system
    Guess which form of transport in London now has 1.3 million journeys per day, at a cost of less than £1 billion over the last 10 years?
    Bicycle.
    There'd be even more with no infrastructure changes if poor driving was effectively policed.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,359
    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    It’s almost become a purity test. Did you see this ?

    https://x.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1910369573825634602?s=61
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,802
    Dopermean said:

    Eabhal said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...

    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Yet another idiot who thinks you can solve an economical malaise by dumping a big shiny taxpayer funded bit of infrastructure on it, like putting a garden gnome on a patch of weeds and expecting it to become a garden.
    Leaving aside the abuse, which there really isn't any call for, it is indeed stupid to think that a bit of infrastructure *by itself* will resolve an economic malaise. But it does play a part if done properly and in conjunction with other measures.
    It’s really simple - the easiest way to improve the quality of life for people is to offer them more opportunities for work by expanding the options within an x0 minute commute. That has an additional advantage as it also gives employers more options when trying to recruit people.

    And the best way of doing that is improving public transport and the best way of doing that is by building a proper metro system
    Guess which form of transport in London now has 1.3 million journeys per day, at a cost of less than £1 billion over the last 10 years?
    Bicycle.
    There'd be even more with no infrastructure changes if poor driving was effectively policed.
    Infrastructure really makes a difference though. The transformation of Paris from a city where bikes were rare to something not far off Amsterdam is quite something, and all down to infrastructure changes.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,966
    edited April 10

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...

    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Trams are not rubbish. At a price below x per mile.

    Everything is rubbish when it reaches a high enough price.
    Until enough time has passed, the cost of it is forgotten, and the utility remains.

    IMV with infrastructure, in the long term, it is rubbish if it is specced, or built, to be rubbish.
    It’s a special kind of rubbish if it is so expensive that you can’t the votes to pay for it.

    Other European nations have trams because they can build them for less than 3 trillion pounds an inch.

    If they had U.K. costs for trams, they wouldn’t have them either.

    Let’s do something so insane that we reduce the cost of trams in the U.K. to that of a hell hole like… Barcelona?

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,028

    DougSeal said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more complicated, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
    Of course it's more complicated. But there is a deep-seated antithetical feeling between "China' and "Japan".

    Instead of our former colonies perhaps there is a better example closer to home. There is generally a great degree of resentment towards "Great Britain" by "Ireland". All in scare quotes because individually that is often not the case and there are great people flows and exchanges between the two countries. But more broadly, Ireland resents Britain for what it believes are terrible historic and ongoing injustices.

    Likewise, more broadly, China is antipathetic towards Japan for those historic injustices and outrages.
    I certainly agree that the relationship between Great Britain and Ireland has many similarities to Japan and China. Its a love/hate relationship too. Irish people watch British TV and news, we drink in Irish pubs and love to see the Irish horses, but there is deep historical grievance on both sides alongside.

    I think it's more a hate/ignorance relationship. They hate us. We are ignorant about them.
    I don't think they hate us. My wife and I went to Dublin for a holiday a few years ago. The guides were quite chatty and friendly. The companies weren't averse to receiving our money as tourists so I'm sure they don't despise us that much. It's the old old story. It's a hundred years at least since partition and people now are not responsible for any of it. I think it's a case of a good story from the past to build a tourist industry over.
    Yes, that's my experience of travelling in Ireland, and the Irish people I have met elsewhere.

    "Irish-Americans" are a different kettle of fish entirely.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,213

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...

    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Trams are not rubbish. At a price below x per mile.

    Everything is rubbish when it reaches a high enough price.
    Until enough time has passed, the cost of it is forgotten, and the utility remains.

    IMV with infrastructure, in the long term, it is rubbish if it is specced, or built, to be rubbish.
    It’s a special kind of rubbish if it is so expensive that you can’t the votes to pay for it.

    Other European nations have trams because they can build them for less than 3 trillion pounds an inch.

    If they had U.K. costs for trams, they wouldn’t have them either.

    Let’s do something so insane that we reduce the cost of trams in the U.K. to that of a hell hole like… Barcelona?

    Until you edited that, it was quite a weird comment.... :)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,028
    Taz said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    It’s almost become a purity test. Did you see this ?

    https://x.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1910369573825634602?s=61
    It helps of course to form your opinion of the drama without the inconvenience of having to watch it.

    A number of commentators both here and in the legacy media do that, not least Badenoch.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,608
    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    "Adolescence" is about misogyny and manosphere, not race. So the right don't like it.

    There have been some excellent recent programmes on other aspects of knife violence including racial issues, such as this recent one by Idris Elba.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0027ffx

    Incidentally, as per @Cyclefree header the other day, I opposed showing Adolescence in schools. Not least because even intelligent adults often misinterpret it, see below on that header.
    I definitely think it should be shown in schools. The dangers and issues it deals with are, as you note, nothing to do with race but all about the challenges facing teenagers and young adults in the age of social media, social media influencers, and the pervasive nature of the internet in their lives.

    I wouldn't have thought about race for one moment. It wasn't' immediately clear what race the victim was.

    "The Right" have got it wrong on this one. As, I suppose, with so much else.
    If that is your view, then you have to accept that, objectively, it is not 'the right' that is out on some 'culture war' limb, it's you. A moderate view would be that people should watch the TV drama they want to watch. It is a fringe view that kids should be trooped into the school hall to watch a violent drama because it imparts such a profound moral, and that not having watched it should lead to an attempted mugging on the BBC Breakfast sofa.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,785
    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more complicated, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
    Of course it's more complicated. But there is a deep-seated antithetical feeling between "China' and "Japan".

    Instead of our former colonies perhaps there is a better example closer to home. There is generally a great degree of resentment towards "Great Britain" by "Ireland". All in scare quotes because individually that is often not the case and there are great people flows and exchanges between the two countries. But more broadly, Ireland resents Britain for what it believes are terrible historic and ongoing injustices.

    Likewise, more broadly, China is antipathetic towards Japan for those historic injustices and outrages.
    I certainly agree that the relationship between Great Britain and Ireland has many similarities to Japan and China. Its a love/hate relationship too. Irish people watch British TV and news, we drink in Irish pubs and love to see the Irish horses, but there is deep historical grievance on both sides alongside.

    I think it's more a hate/ignorance relationship. They hate us. We are ignorant about them.
    Total crap. "They" don't hate "us" and many of "them" know that many many of "us" are descended from "them".
    What about the Occupied Territories. Shouldn't we just get out?
    There are a large number of people in the Republic that are quite happy for the UK to keep the Six Counties. Reunification is not quite as popular as many of "us" think
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,378
    scampi25 said:

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    Because the world is not PB
    Also these things take time. The news cycle is often to quick to rush to judgement "first draft of history" and all that crap.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,359
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    It’s almost become a purity test. Did you see this ?

    https://x.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1910369573825634602?s=61
    It helps of course to form your opinion of the drama without the inconvenience of having to watch it.

    A number of commentators both here and in the legacy media do that, not least Badenoch.
    But why should she watch it simply to inform herself about issues like toxic masculinity ?

    The whole ‘why haven’t you watched this’ gotcha is bonkers.

    I haven’t seen it as I don’t have Netflix. If I did I’d have probably given it a go
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,966
    Taz said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    It’s almost become a purity test. Did you see this ?

    https://x.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1910369573825634602?s=61
    Purity, that’s the ticket!

    Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,408
    Farage rejects local Reform UK-Tory coalitions
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07883y07nko
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,469
    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more complicated, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
    Of course it's more complicated. But there is a deep-seated antithetical feeling between "China' and "Japan".

    Instead of our former colonies perhaps there is a better example closer to home. There is generally a great degree of resentment towards "Great Britain" by "Ireland". All in scare quotes because individually that is often not the case and there are great people flows and exchanges between the two countries. But more broadly, Ireland resents Britain for what it believes are terrible historic and ongoing injustices.

    Likewise, more broadly, China is antipathetic towards Japan for those historic injustices and outrages.
    I certainly agree that the relationship between Great Britain and Ireland has many similarities to Japan and China. Its a love/hate relationship too. Irish people watch British TV and news, we drink in Irish pubs and love to see the Irish horses, but there is deep historical grievance on both sides alongside.

    I think it's more a hate/ignorance relationship. They hate us. We are ignorant about them.
    I don't think they hate us. My wife and I went to Dublin for a holiday a few years ago. The guides were quite chatty and friendly. The companies weren't averse to receiving our money as tourists so I'm sure they don't despise us that much. It's the old old story. It's a hundred years at least since partition and people now are not responsible for any of it. I think it's a case of a good story from the past to build a tourist industry over.
    Of course they don't hate us individually but "Ireland" historically and today maintains a grievance against us for ills perpetrated in the past.
    In the words of the great Vic and Bob, "they wouldn't let it lie"
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,785
    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more complicated, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
    Of course it's more complicated. But there is a deep-seated antithetical feeling between "China' and "Japan".

    Instead of our former colonies perhaps there is a better example closer to home. There is generally a great degree of resentment towards "Great Britain" by "Ireland". All in scare quotes because individually that is often not the case and there are great people flows and exchanges between the two countries. But more broadly, Ireland resents Britain for what it believes are terrible historic and ongoing injustices.

    Likewise, more broadly, China is antipathetic towards Japan for those historic injustices and outrages.
    I certainly agree that the relationship between Great Britain and Ireland has many similarities to Japan and China. Its a love/hate relationship too. Irish people watch British TV and news, we drink in Irish pubs and love to see the Irish horses, but there is deep historical grievance on both sides alongside.

    I think it's more a hate/ignorance relationship. They hate us. We are ignorant about them.
    I don't think they hate us. My wife and I went to Dublin for a holiday a few years ago. The guides were quite chatty and friendly. The companies weren't averse to receiving our money as tourists so I'm sure they don't despise us that much. It's the old old story. It's a hundred years at least since partition and people now are not responsible for any of it. I think it's a case of a good story from the past to build a tourist industry over.
    Yes, that's my experience of travelling in Ireland, and the Irish people I have met elsewhere.

    "Irish-Americans" are a different kettle of fish entirely.
    I always find it amusing that many so-called Irish-Americans are a lot less Irish than me (I consider myself English with part Irish ancestry). A friend of mine told me recently that he was chastised by an American (Irish-American) woman in New York for "putting on an Irish accent". He told her he had always spoken like that. He is from Cork.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,966
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    It’s almost become a purity test. Did you see this ?

    https://x.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1910369573825634602?s=61
    It helps of course to form your opinion of the drama without the inconvenience of having to watch it.

    A number of commentators both here and in the legacy media do that, not least Badenoch.
    But why should she watch it simply to inform herself about issues like toxic masculinity ?

    The whole ‘why haven’t you watched this’ gotcha is bonkers.

    I haven’t seen it as I don’t have Netflix. If I did I’d have probably given it a go
    The fact that you haven’t immediately subscribed to Netflix to watch it, means you are a Toxic Incel Terrorist supporter of Andrew Tate.

    If you have watched it, you are Woke Man Hating Terrorist.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,193
    ydoethur said:

    Philippe Sands is awesome, proving lawyers are the best of humanity.

    Britain is backing plans for a Nuremberg-style trial of Vladimir Putin in the face of opposition from Donald Trump.

    The UK will support proposals at the Council of Europe next month calling for Russians to be prosecuted for “crimes of aggression” during the invasion of Ukraine.

    The idea would involve setting up a military tribunal, modelled on the Nazi trials after the Second World War, to prosecute Russian leaders and generals for war crimes.

    Some lawyers, including Sir Keir Starmer’s long-time friend Philippe Sands, have suggested the ad hoc court should be established specifically to deal with crimes of aggression, which are defined by the United Nations as “invasion or attack by the armed forces of a state on the territory of another state, or any military occupation”.

    Some Western countries, including the UK, have said that Russians should be tried on those grounds for the political decision to invade, not only for war crimes committed on Ukrainian soil once the war began.

    The International Criminal Court (ICC) in the Hague cannot examine the “crime of aggression”, and is not recognised by either Russia or the US.

    The plan for a new court to examine crimes of aggression was first suggested in 2022. It was backed by the Ukrainian government and Joe Biden’s administration, which sent funding and American prosecutors to help set it up.

    However, Donald Trump withdrew all US involvement in the plan after his inauguration in January, as part of his strategy to be more conciliatory towards Moscow.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/04/10/britain-backs-nuremberg-style-russia-trial-trump-opposition/

    If Putin is executed, will we finally be able to say he was well hung?
    No.
    Well hanged!
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,785
    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...

    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Trams are not rubbish. At a price below x per mile.

    Everything is rubbish when it reaches a high enough price.
    Trams are aesthetically nice. They make cities look more sophisticated and European. Like cobbles, outdoor cafes and church bells.
    I misread that for a moment and inadvertently replaced replaced the "m" with an "n" in the word "trams". Made the sentence quite interesting.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,746

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...

    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Trams are not rubbish. At a price below x per mile.

    Everything is rubbish when it reaches a high enough price.
    No, I agree with the original post. Trams have to follow tram lines. Buses don’t. So have buses.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,028
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    It’s almost become a purity test. Did you see this ?

    https://x.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1910369573825634602?s=61
    It helps of course to form your opinion of the drama without the inconvenience of having to watch it.

    A number of commentators both here and in the legacy media do that, not least Badenoch.
    But why should she watch it simply to inform herself about issues like toxic masculinity ?

    The whole ‘why haven’t you watched this’ gotcha is bonkers.

    I haven’t seen it as I don’t have Netflix. If I did I’d have probably given it a go
    There are multiple other sources of information on misogyny, not least the actual experience of daily life.

    It was typical of her ineptness and consumption of right wing Social Media that she waded into arguments about the drama. She raised it first, and doesn't seem to have done her homework since.

    https://youtu.be/z_mLyVvFzmY?si=HIjZgxwacskgVGmm

    The combination of half baked opinion derived from Social Media, thin skin and aggressiveness is pretty characteristic of her leadership. It's why she gets it wrong so often.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,469
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    It’s almost become a purity test. Did you see this ?

    https://x.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1910369573825634602?s=61
    It helps of course to form your opinion of the drama without the inconvenience of having to watch it.

    A number of commentators both here and in the legacy media do that, not least Badenoch.
    But why should she watch it simply to inform herself about issues like toxic masculinity ?

    The whole ‘why haven’t you watched this’ gotcha is bonkers.

    I haven’t seen it as I don’t have Netflix. If I did I’d have probably given it a go
    I watched it as I am a sucker for a miniseries bingewatch. Not sure it should be held up as a totem though. I was more perturbed by the chaos in the classrooms. They obviously have deteriorated a lot in 5 years!!!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,771
    'Officials at the Cabinet Office - headed by Pat McFadden - are being told today that 2,100 of their 6,500 jobs will be cut or moved to other parts of government over the next two years. Along with other reforms, the Cabinet Office says the cuts will save £110m a year by 2028.'

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62ggm3g8eyo
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,359

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    It’s almost become a purity test. Did you see this ?

    https://x.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1910369573825634602?s=61
    It helps of course to form your opinion of the drama without the inconvenience of having to watch it.

    A number of commentators both here and in the legacy media do that, not least Badenoch.
    But why should she watch it simply to inform herself about issues like toxic masculinity ?

    The whole ‘why haven’t you watched this’ gotcha is bonkers.

    I haven’t seen it as I don’t have Netflix. If I did I’d have probably given it a go
    The fact that you haven’t immediately subscribed to Netflix to watch it, means you are a Toxic Incel Terrorist supporter of Andrew Tate.

    If you have watched it, you are Woke Man Hating Terrorist.
    As I have been married for many years I am certainly an Incel these days and probably as I drift through my remaining years on earth until oblivion beckons. C’est La Vie.

    I wouldn’t even know who Andrew Tate was had the BBC not banged on about him repeatedly.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,649

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    It’s almost become a purity test. Did you see this ?

    https://x.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1910369573825634602?s=61
    It helps of course to form your opinion of the drama without the inconvenience of having to watch it.

    A number of commentators both here and in the legacy media do that, not least Badenoch.
    But why should she watch it simply to inform herself about issues like toxic masculinity ?

    The whole ‘why haven’t you watched this’ gotcha is bonkers.

    I haven’t seen it as I don’t have Netflix. If I did I’d have probably given it a go
    The fact that you haven’t immediately subscribed to Netflix to watch it, means you are a Toxic Incel Terrorist supporter of Andrew Tate.

    If you have watched it, you are Woke Man Hating Terrorist.
    Badenoch should have floated the idea of diverting some of the BBC licence fee to Netflix so that more agenda-setting dramas can be made.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,846
    edited April 10

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...

    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Horses for courses to mix a metaphor. One tram can take the same number of passengers as five buses. So if you have a route requiring that number of buses you are better off with a tram to avoid congestion, particularly if you can go off road for part of the journey.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,649
    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1910363020204589297

    "You deserve to lose every single penny."

    Nigel Farage says let private water companies go bust.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,802

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...

    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Trams are not rubbish. At a price below x per mile.

    Everything is rubbish when it reaches a high enough price.
    Trams are aesthetically nice. They make cities look more sophisticated and European. Like cobbles, outdoor cafes and church bells.
    I misread that for a moment and inadvertently replaced replaced the "m" with an "n" in the word "trams". Made the sentence quite interesting.
    Surefire way to inject a bit of Euro sophistication into a city.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,625
    FF43 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...

    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Horses for courses to mix a metaphor. One tram can take the same number of passengers as five buses. So if you have a route requiring that number of buses you are better off with a tram to avoid congestion, particularly if you can go off road for part of the journey.
    Trams also have much faster ingress/egress
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,902
    edited April 10
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    It’s almost become a purity test. Did you see this ?

    https://x.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1910369573825634602?s=61
    It helps of course to form your opinion of the drama without the inconvenience of having to watch it.

    A number of commentators both here and in the legacy media do that, not least Badenoch.
    The 'everyone must watch so and so' brigade are slightly annoying, as it assumes a particular immunity; by definition no-one who hasn't seen it can say 'no they need not' without being asked 'how do you know if you haven't seen it?'.

    The reality of course is that no-one on the entire planet has watched much or read much in comparison to the totality of the trillions and trillions of hours worth and pages there are to be seen and read.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,076

    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1910363020204589297

    "You deserve to lose every single penny."

    Nigel Farage says let private water companies go bust.

    I agree with him on that issue. I'm sure that reassures him :)
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,359
    HYUFD said:

    'Officials at the Cabinet Office - headed by Pat McFadden - are being told today that 2,100 of their 6,500 jobs will be cut or moved to other parts of government over the next two years. Along with other reforms, the Cabinet Office says the cuts will save £110m a year by 2028.'

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62ggm3g8eyo

    Does that offset the 28:quangos created by this govt 🤔
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,902

    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1910363020204589297

    "You deserve to lose every single penny."

    Nigel Farage says let private water companies go bust.

    It does take a special skill to go bust running a monopoly necessity.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,474
    biggles said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...

    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Trams are not rubbish. At a price below x per mile.

    Everything is rubbish when it reaches a high enough price.
    No, I agree with the original post. Trams have to follow tram lines. Buses don’t. So have buses.
    But buses don't run on rails!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,649
    viewcode said:

    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1910363020204589297

    "You deserve to lose every single penny."

    Nigel Farage says let private water companies go bust.

    I agree with him on that issue. I'm sure that reassures him :)
    It's quite striking how "let them go bust" is perceived as a left-wing position by many of the people replying.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,066
    ...

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    Because we have quite possibly the world's shittest Government, the Tories aren't yet trusted, and people realise we need to get shot of them yesterday regardless of their dislike or otherwise of a foreign potentate or two?
    It is true they are not brilliant and their comms are absolutely shocking. Waiting lists down but who knew? 24,000 illegals removed, but who knew? But they have a long way still to fall to reach the dizzying descent of your girl.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,066
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    "Adolescence" is about misogyny and manosphere, not race. So the right don't like it.

    There have been some excellent recent programmes on other aspects of knife violence including racial issues, such as this recent one by Idris Elba.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0027ffx

    Incidentally, as per @Cyclefree header the other day, I opposed showing Adolescence in schools. Not least because even intelligent adults often misinterpret it, see below on that header.
    The narrative now is more Badenoch's refusal to watch and her subsequent angry analysis of something she has never seen. She reminds me of Jasper Carrot's "nutter on the bus" over her response (Islamic terrorism, race switching the guilty and anything else tangential she can think of) to this story.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,824

    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1910363020204589297

    "You deserve to lose every single penny."

    Nigel Farage says let private water companies go bust.

    Nigel is still a Thatcherite after all?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,474

    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more complicated, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
    Of course it's more complicated. But there is a deep-seated antithetical feeling between "China' and "Japan".

    Instead of our former colonies perhaps there is a better example closer to home. There is generally a great degree of resentment towards "Great Britain" by "Ireland". All in scare quotes because individually that is often not the case and there are great people flows and exchanges between the two countries. But more broadly, Ireland resents Britain for what it believes are terrible historic and ongoing injustices.

    Likewise, more broadly, China is antipathetic towards Japan for those historic injustices and outrages.
    I certainly agree that the relationship between Great Britain and Ireland has many similarities to Japan and China. Its a love/hate relationship too. Irish people watch British TV and news, we drink in Irish pubs and love to see the Irish horses, but there is deep historical grievance on both sides alongside.

    I think it's more a hate/ignorance relationship. They hate us. We are ignorant about them.
    Total crap. "They" don't hate "us" and many of "them" know that many many of "us" are descended from "them".
    What about the Occupied Territories. Shouldn't we just get out?
    There are a large number of people in the Republic that are quite happy for the UK to keep the Six Counties. Reunification is not quite as popular as many of "us" think
    Radical Right Lunatics won the Irish Republic election in 2024, Radical Left Lunatics won the Northern Irish (Westminster) election in 2024.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,031

    ...

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    Because we have quite possibly the world's shittest Government, the Tories aren't yet trusted, and people realise we need to get shot of them yesterday regardless of their dislike or otherwise of a foreign potentate or two?
    It is true they are not brilliant and their comms are absolutely shocking. Waiting lists down but who knew? 24,000 illegals removed, but who knew? But they have a long way still to fall to reach the dizzying descent of your girl.
    In terms of the NHS waiting lists I was surprised how little attention the media gave it . There was good news on waiting lists , extra appointments and cancer treatment. As for Reform they’re just saying yes to any policies that poll well with the public without a clue as to how any would be delivered .
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,348
    Max Flugrath🗳️
    @MaxFlugrath
    ·
    22h
    And this election control power grab isn’t just in Trump’s executive order.

    It’s also in the SAVE Act, a massive voter suppression bill Congressional Republicans are trying to ram through the House tomorrow.

    https://x.com/MaxFlugrath/status/1910043839978500529
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,348
    The Republican-led House just passed a bill that would require people prove they were U.S. citizens when they registered to vote, 220-208, with four Democrats joining Republicans. The bill, which is unlikely to make it through the Senate, echoes an executive order President Trump signed last month as part of his push to tighten voting laws tied to debunked claims of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election.

    NY Times blog
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,031

    Max Flugrath🗳️
    @MaxFlugrath
    ·
    22h
    And this election control power grab isn’t just in Trump’s executive order.

    It’s also in the SAVE Act, a massive voter suppression bill Congressional Republicans are trying to ram through the House tomorrow.

    https://x.com/MaxFlugrath/status/1910043839978500529

    I don’t think the SAVE act can get through the Senate unless the GOP get rid of the filibuster .
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,716
    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    Because both sides have a view of reality that is displaced from reality
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,419
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    It’s almost become a purity test. Did you see this ?

    https://x.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1910369573825634602?s=61
    It helps of course to form your opinion of the drama without the inconvenience of having to watch it.

    A number of commentators both here and in the legacy media do that, not least Badenoch.
    But why should she watch it simply to inform herself about issues like toxic masculinity ?

    The whole ‘why haven’t you watched this’ gotcha is bonkers.

    I haven’t seen it as I don’t have Netflix. If I did I’d have probably given it a go
    The fact that you haven’t immediately subscribed to Netflix to watch it, means you are a Toxic Incel Terrorist supporter of Andrew Tate.

    If you have watched it, you are Woke Man Hating Terrorist.
    As I have been married for many years I am certainly an Incel these days and probably as I drift through my remaining years on earth until oblivion beckons. C’est La Vie.

    I wouldn’t even know who Andrew Tate was had the BBC not banged on about him repeatedly.
    Get thee to Bangkok
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,824
    edited April 10

    GIN1138 said:

    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1910363020204589297

    "You deserve to lose every single penny."

    Nigel Farage says let private water companies go bust.

    Nigel is still a Thatcherite after all?
    I don't think the great woman would agree. She despised fascists. His apologist views on Putin would disgust her
    I meant in terms of letting water companies (and their shareholders) go bust. Wasn't that always the ideological end point of Thatcherism? Let the market decide if a company was viable or not, rather than the government (tax payer) keeping it going.

    On his views over Trump, Putin, Russia, etc... Then yes. The Iron lady would indeed be appalled!
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,241
    Adolescence is now propaganda

    Starmer politicised it

    He called it a documentary, and said that it should be shown in schools

    What other fictional propaganda does he want to pretend is real and spread by diktat?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,031
    Trump now starting the climbdown on China .


  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,716

    Adolescence is now propaganda

    Starmer politicised it

    He called it a documentary, and said that it should be shown in schools

    What other fictional propaganda does he want to pretend is real and spread by diktat?

    Because starmer is a banhammer
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,348
    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    ·
    1h
    Bondi: "Within the next 24 hours you're going to be seeing another huge arrest on a Tesla dealership, president. And that person will be looking at at least 20 years in prison with no negotiations."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1910380119509651626
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,966
    viewcode said:

    In memory of happier days, here is a video of James Callaghan in 1995 in the House of Commons Procedure Committee. He was 83 at the time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTGZ6BnVIlo&list=PLqvRmwLTWUzTAKYqaNOO6FaBuf6ONrim1&index=8

    Discussing PMQs. As Lord Callaghan notes, in his day and up to then, the Prime Minister would deflect questions to the relevant departmental minister and only answer wider policy questions. It was Mrs Thatcher who changed this, as part of the concentration of power at Number 10.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,359
    nico67 said:

    ...

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    Because we have quite possibly the world's shittest Government, the Tories aren't yet trusted, and people realise we need to get shot of them yesterday regardless of their dislike or otherwise of a foreign potentate or two?
    It is true they are not brilliant and their comms are absolutely shocking. Waiting lists down but who knew? 24,000 illegals removed, but who knew? But they have a long way still to fall to reach the dizzying descent of your girl.
    In terms of the NHS waiting lists I was surprised how little attention the media gave it . There was good news on waiting lists , extra appointments and cancer treatment. As for Reform they’re just saying yes to any policies that poll well with the public without a clue as to how any would be delivered .
    So Reform are just like the Lib Dem’s

    Spout populist shit to get votes.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,031

    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    ·
    1h
    Bondi: "Within the next 24 hours you're going to be seeing another huge arrest on a Tesla dealership, president. And that person will be looking at at least 20 years in prison with no negotiations."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1910380119509651626

    The USA is so fxcked ! At least the media seem to be refraining now from using the vomit inducing term “ leader of the free world “.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,966
    nico67 said:

    ...

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    Because we have quite possibly the world's shittest Government, the Tories aren't yet trusted, and people realise we need to get shot of them yesterday regardless of their dislike or otherwise of a foreign potentate or two?
    It is true they are not brilliant and their comms are absolutely shocking. Waiting lists down but who knew? 24,000 illegals removed, but who knew? But they have a long way still to fall to reach the dizzying descent of your girl.
    In terms of the NHS waiting lists I was surprised how little attention the media gave it . There was good news on waiting lists , extra appointments and cancer treatment. As for Reform they’re just saying yes to any policies that poll well with the public without a clue as to how any would be delivered .
    The trouble with NHS waiting lists is that shouting too loudly risks angering those still struggling for GP appointments.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,716

    nico67 said:

    ...

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    Because we have quite possibly the world's shittest Government, the Tories aren't yet trusted, and people realise we need to get shot of them yesterday regardless of their dislike or otherwise of a foreign potentate or two?
    It is true they are not brilliant and their comms are absolutely shocking. Waiting lists down but who knew? 24,000 illegals removed, but who knew? But they have a long way still to fall to reach the dizzying descent of your girl.
    In terms of the NHS waiting lists I was surprised how little attention the media gave it . There was good news on waiting lists , extra appointments and cancer treatment. As for Reform they’re just saying yes to any policies that poll well with the public without a clue as to how any would be delivered .
    The trouble with NHS waiting lists is that shouting too loudly risks angering those still struggling for GP appointments.
    Besides which the drops in waiting lists are less than 0.5% hardly worth shouting about
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,966

    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    ·
    1h
    Bondi: "Within the next 24 hours you're going to be seeing another huge arrest on a Tesla dealership, president. And that person will be looking at at least 20 years in prison with no negotiations."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1910380119509651626

    Exemplary sentences. Bad here, worse there.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,716

    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    ·
    1h
    Bondi: "Within the next 24 hours you're going to be seeing another huge arrest on a Tesla dealership, president. And that person will be looking at at least 20 years in prison with no negotiations."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1910380119509651626

    Exemplary sentences. Bad here, worse there.
    Maybe they will let him off by sending him to el salvador
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,408
    Andy_JS said:

    "Immigration judge backed calls to decriminalise illegal UK entry

    Social media posts shared by Greg Ó Ceallaigh also criticised President Trump and said the Tory party should be dealt with ‘like Nazis’" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/78bf9b12-1cbf-4caa-b08e-42b0adf0d140?shareToken=3780356a6206b9907de7da6c31070296

    He was only appointed last July, and I think he's toast if the claims are true, as may be the Eligibility Checker. His SM posts may not have been found because they were on Linkedin. He's a poetic chap.

    eg 2019:

    "Boris and Davis and May;
    one lies, one’s thick, one’s grey.
    These terrible crooks;
    so different in looks;
    should not have the final say."

    eg 2012:

    “Donald Trump looks like a bulldog who, before commencing to lick piss off a nettle, has carefully scraped his bum-hair forward over his head like a tsunami breaking on the rock of his gruff, canine brow.”

    eg https://archive.is/20250410160300/https://www.thetimes.com/article/78bf9b12-1cbf-4caa-b08e-42b0adf0d140#selection-1577.183-1577.319
  • isamisam Posts: 41,198
    edited April 10
    Hurrah for Kemi Badenoch

    “I don’t need to watch Casualty to know what's going on in the NHS,” said Kemi Badenoch, when she was asked on the BBC if she had watched Adolescence yet.

    The presenters could not believe what they had heard. “Why would you not want to know what people are talking about?”

    Badenoch replied that the issues of toxic masculinity and smartphone use are ”important issues and they are issues that I’ve been talking about for some time”. She reminded her interviewers: “It’s a fictional series.”

    “You’re comparing Adolescence with Casualty: did you really mean to say that?” A surprising question from a BBC presenter, implying that a Netflix series is more important than a mere BBC soap opera.

    Badenoch really did mean to say that, and she is quite right too.


    - John Rentoul
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,028
    edited April 10

    Adolescence is now propaganda

    Starmer politicised it

    He called it a documentary, and said that it should be shown in schools

    What other fictional propaganda does he want to pretend is real and spread by diktat?

    Do you have a source for him saying it was a documentary?

    I believe fiction is part of the National Curriculum because of the themes raised.

    Shakespeare was quite the fiction writing propagandist.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,052
    edited April 10
    Pagan2 said:

    nico67 said:

    ...

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    Because we have quite possibly the world's shittest Government, the Tories aren't yet trusted, and people realise we need to get shot of them yesterday regardless of their dislike or otherwise of a foreign potentate or two?
    It is true they are not brilliant and their comms are absolutely shocking. Waiting lists down but who knew? 24,000 illegals removed, but who knew? But they have a long way still to fall to reach the dizzying descent of your girl.
    In terms of the NHS waiting lists I was surprised how little attention the media gave it . There was good news on waiting lists , extra appointments and cancer treatment. As for Reform they’re just saying yes to any policies that poll well with the public without a clue as to how any would be delivered .
    The trouble with NHS waiting lists is that shouting too loudly risks angering those still struggling for GP appointments.
    Besides which the drops in waiting lists are less than 0.5% hardly worth shouting about
    The fact they're not increasing is achievement enough. But largely down to the prior government, I'd guess. Too soon for Streeting's influence to show.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,716
    Eabhal said:

    Pagan2 said:

    nico67 said:

    ...

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    Because we have quite possibly the world's shittest Government, the Tories aren't yet trusted, and people realise we need to get shot of them yesterday regardless of their dislike or otherwise of a foreign potentate or two?
    It is true they are not brilliant and their comms are absolutely shocking. Waiting lists down but who knew? 24,000 illegals removed, but who knew? But they have a long way still to fall to reach the dizzying descent of your girl.
    In terms of the NHS waiting lists I was surprised how little attention the media gave it . There was good news on waiting lists , extra appointments and cancer treatment. As for Reform they’re just saying yes to any policies that poll well with the public without a clue as to how any would be delivered .
    The trouble with NHS waiting lists is that shouting too loudly risks angering those still struggling for GP appointments.
    Besides which the drops in waiting lists are less than 0.5% hardly worth shouting about
    The fact they're not increasing is achievement enough. But largely down to the prior government, I'd guess. Too soon for Streeting's influence to show.
    Doesn't really matter who it is down to they need to drop quicker, 24k out of 7 mill is a drop in the ocean on the whole
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,824
    edited April 10
    isam said:

    Hurrah for Kemi Badenoch

    “I don’t need to watch Casualty to know what's going on in the NHS,” said Kemi Badenoch, when she was asked on the BBC if she had watched Adolescence yet.

    The presenters could not believe what they had heard. “Why would you not want to know what people are talking about?”

    Badenoch replied that the issues of toxic masculinity and smartphone use are ”important issues and they are issues that I’ve been talking about for some time”. She reminded her interviewers: “It’s a fictional series.”

    “You’re comparing Adolescence with Casualty: did you really mean to say that?” A surprising question from a BBC presenter, implying that a Netflix series is more important than a mere BBC soap opera.

    Badenoch really did mean to say that, and she is quite right too.


    - John Rentoul

    Good for Kemi for sticking to her guns...

    Sometimes the media can be very silly.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,368
    Bogota said:

    Pulpstar said:

    WH clarifies Chinese tariffs now at 145%

    It's getting near the point where trade between the two just near-enough stops. Presumably that will also involve China not buying any more US bonds and probably continuing to wind down its current stock, which will put upwards pressure on interest rates.

    I don't think Trump has any idea of the value of the US dollar as the global reserve, and the extent to which he's risking that status with his current policies.
    No of possibilities with Trump.
    1. Hes a russian asset bent on destroying the united states.
    2. Its all about the grift hence the constant pumping and crashing of markets to enrich himself.
    3. Hes a genuine moron.

    I think its a combination of 2 and 3 though cant discount 1.
    Being 3 made 1 easy to deliver...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,028
    Eabhal said:

    Pagan2 said:

    nico67 said:

    ...

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    Because we have quite possibly the world's shittest Government, the Tories aren't yet trusted, and people realise we need to get shot of them yesterday regardless of their dislike or otherwise of a foreign potentate or two?
    It is true they are not brilliant and their comms are absolutely shocking. Waiting lists down but who knew? 24,000 illegals removed, but who knew? But they have a long way still to fall to reach the dizzying descent of your girl.
    In terms of the NHS waiting lists I was surprised how little attention the media gave it . There was good news on waiting lists , extra appointments and cancer treatment. As for Reform they’re just saying yes to any policies that poll well with the public without a clue as to how any would be delivered .
    The trouble with NHS waiting lists is that shouting too loudly risks angering those still struggling for GP appointments.
    Besides which the drops in waiting lists are less than 0.5% hardly worth shouting about
    The fact they're not increasing is achievement enough. But largely down to the prior government, I'd guess. Too soon for Streeting's influence to show.
    Mostly it's resolving the strikes, but also a big push from management. Considering that this was the worst flu season for some years, any reduction in the elective waiting list is a success.

    Not much to do with Streetings posturing, and a reorganisation and mass sackings at NHS England and ICBs is a major distraction. My Trust is also planning 3% redundancies too.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,241
    Foxy said:

    Adolescence is now propaganda

    Starmer politicised it

    He called it a documentary, and said that it should be shown in schools

    What other fictional propaganda does he want to pretend is real and spread by diktat?

    Do you have a source for him saying it was a documentary?

    I believe fiction is part of the National Curriculum because of the themes raised.

    Shakespeare was quite the fiction writing propagandist.
    "It's a very good der der der documentary to watch or maybe drama"

    https://www.tiktok.com/@itvpolitics/video/7483505842088709399

    Who knows what he meant
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,612

    ...

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    Because we have quite possibly the world's shittest Government, the Tories aren't yet trusted, and people realise we need to get shot of them yesterday regardless of their dislike or otherwise of a foreign potentate or two?
    It is true they are not brilliant and their comms are absolutely shocking. Waiting lists down but who knew? 24,000 illegals removed, but who knew? But they have a long way still to fall to reach the dizzying descent of your girl.
    Well, it they talked about it people might notice it wasn't true:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyw8jw11jwo.amp

    "Has the government really 'returned' 24,000 people?"
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