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edited April 10 in General
Third term problems – politicalbetting.com

Economist/YouGov Poll, April 5-852% of U.S. adult citizens think that Donald Trump will attempt to serve a third term as president17% think that he should attempt to serve a third term8% think the Constitution allows Trump to serve a third termtoday.yougov.com/politics/art…

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  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,796
    edited April 10
    First. (Unlike Trump next time round)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,329
    edited April 10
    "8% think the Constitution allows Trump to serve a third term"

    That might of course, just be their problem with simple numbers.
    Judging by the some of the replies to this tweet.

    If something goes down 10% and then up 10% are you back where you started?

    No because the decrease is from a bigger number.
    https://x.com/AndrewYang/status/1910146705045020719
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,419
    edited April 10
    I believe I am about to be served plov
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    Could you imagine 8 more years of this. There would be nothing left of the usa as a nation.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,329
    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...
    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,066
    Leon said:

    I believe I am about to be served plov

    Is that a rice dish or a euphemism?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,329
    Unless TSE's legal analysis has changed fairly dramatically, I think there's a missing "believe' in the header.

    ...I find this polling intriguing because I was expecting more Republican voters to a) want Trump to have a third term and b) the constitution allows him to do so...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,436
    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,966
    Leon said:

    I believe I am about to be served plov

    Face it. You're eating peasant food in the arse-end of nowhere because the Gazette's editor's nephew is getting the £10k a week gigs on the Maldives and Bahamas.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,771
    The fact even a majority of Republican voters do not want Trump to serve a third term suggests it is not an option for him
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,213
    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...
    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Cancelled in 2005 by Alistair Darling...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,072
    Thankfully he is really old as well as stupid and delusional so I don’t think it will arise.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,517
    edited April 10
    Nigelb said:

    Unless TSE's legal analysis has changed fairly dramatically, I think there's a missing "believe' in the header.

    ...I find this polling intriguing because I was expecting more Republican voters to a) want Trump to have a third term and b) the constitution allows him to do so...

    Yup, I was multitasking on my lunch break.

    Golf, watching the financial markets, editing PB, and eating a pizza concurrently wasn’t my best life choice today.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,650
    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...
    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    And even then it's just a tram - it really should be a proper Metro because heck even Sofia has one of those.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,329
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    Unless TSE's legal analysis has changed fairly dramatically, I think there's a missing "believe' in the header.

    ...I find this polling intriguing because I was expecting more Republican voters to a) want Trump to have a third term and b) the constitution allows him to do so...

    Yup, I was multitasking on my lunch break.

    Golf, watching the financial markets, editing PB, and eating a pizza concurrently wasn’t my best life choice today.
    So long as you didn't accidentally ingest pineapple.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,198
    Hard hitting words, but without knowing whether or not she’s watched ‘Adolescence’ I don’t know how seriously to take what she says

    https://x.com/alexharmstrong/status/1910315576171315442?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,066
    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    Isn't Max Hastings's nemesis, Boris Johnson?😂
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,329
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...
    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    And even then it's just a tram - it really should be a proper Metro because heck even Sofia has one of those.

    Hence my support for the idea of an eVTOL network.
    It might take a decade for the cost/performance of such vehicles to make it mass market, but that would be around 3x as fast as anything else like to happen.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,419
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    I believe I am about to be served plov

    Face it. You're eating peasant food in the arse-end of nowhere because the Gazette's editor's nephew is getting the £10k a week gigs on the Maldives and Bahamas.
    I’ve done lots of those gigs. I’ve done £100k gigs

    This is easily as fun
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,978
    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...
    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    If reading PB all day isn't wasting enough of your time, I offer you

    https://www.londonunderground.live/

    Sunil might never come back
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,966
    isam said:

    Hard hitting words, but without knowing whether or not she’s watched ‘Adolescence’ I don’t know how seriously to take what she says

    https://x.com/alexharmstrong/status/1910315576171315442?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    You worry ChatGPT and Deepseek are going to steal our jobs and start World War Three but then you see the complete mess they make of generating subtitles.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,523
    edited April 10
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    Unless TSE's legal analysis has changed fairly dramatically, I think there's a missing "believe' in the header.

    ...I find this polling intriguing because I was expecting more Republican voters to a) want Trump to have a third term and b) the constitution allows him to do so...

    Yup, I was multitasking on my lunch break.

    Golf, watching the financial markets, editing PB, and eating a pizza concurrently wasn’t my best life choice today.
    Currants are even worse on pizza than pineapple.
    Edit: FFS spellcheck!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,517
    Fairliered said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    Unless TSE's legal analysis has changed fairly dramatically, I think there's a missing "believe' in the header.

    ...I find this polling intriguing because I was expecting more Republican voters to a) want Trump to have a third term and b) the constitution allows him to do so...

    Yup, I was multitasking on my lunch break.

    Golf, watching the financial markets, editing PB, and eating a pizza concurrently wasn’t my best life choice today.
    Currents are even worse on pizza than pineapple.
    I have a friend who likes banana on pizza.

    I am surprised our friendship has lasted this long.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,018
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...
    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    And even then it's just a tram - it really should be a proper Metro because heck even Sofia has one of those.

    Hence my support for the idea of an eVTOL network.
    It might take a decade for the cost/performance of such vehicles to make it mass market, but that would be around 3x as fast as anything else like to happen.
    Would eVTOL qualify as mass transit. Would it move anywhere near as many people at a similar cost?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,966
    On topic, and re last thread, is whether Trump does what Biden did last time and withdraws so late he screws both VP and party.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,523
    logical_song said:

    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...
    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    And even then it's just a tram - it really should be a proper Metro because heck even Sofia has one of those.

    Hence my support for the idea of an eVTOL network.
    It might take a decade for the cost/performance of such vehicles to make it mass market, but that would be around 3x as fast as anything else like to happen.
    Would eVTOL qualify as mass transit. Would it move anywhere near as many people at a similar cost?
    Bradford in 5 minutes and Sheffield in 20. No thanks!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,419
    I’m in a truly weird local “eco lodge” in the Tien Shan. The food is surprisingly good but very strange. Delicate meat dumplings with two salads and a big dollop of sriracha. The tea is black but comes in a glass tea pot with slices of orange and sprigs of mint, and it’s delicious

    Pudding seems to be apples or M&Ms
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,066
    Leon said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    I believe I am about to be served plov

    Face it. You're eating peasant food in the arse-end of nowhere because the Gazette's editor's nephew is getting the £10k a week gigs on the Maldives and Bahamas.
    I’ve done lots of those gigs. I’ve done £100k gigs

    This is easily as fun
    As your star ascends at the Spectator do you graduate from three weeks in the New Otani to six months in a Yakuza owned squat?
  • eekeek Posts: 29,650
    logical_song said:

    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...
    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    And even then it's just a tram - it really should be a proper Metro because heck even Sofia has one of those.

    Hence my support for the idea of an eVTOL network.
    It might take a decade for the cost/performance of such vehicles to make it mass market, but that would be around 3x as fast as anything else like to happen.
    Would eVTOL qualify as mass transit. Would it move anywhere near as many people at a similar cost?
    As I said earlier - it's hyperloop without the tunnel but added risk of plunging to your death...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,076
    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    Ditto Max Hastings' "Armageddon". By 1945 in the European Theatre, everybody was committing war crimes of one stripe or another, and there's only so much of that you can read. I did finish the book but it wasn't a fun read.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,983
    edited April 10
    Good afternoon

    And then there were three ?

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1910330121996710244?t=R6wTTXJTEdP9h66GQ_0Rpg&s=19

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1910335023309377907?t=1v5vs7Cao0apKbCCs6vEow&s=19
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,983
    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,075
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    Because their supporters don’t care?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,983
    Gallowgate said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    Because their supporters don’t care?
    Quite possibly
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,177
    WH clarifies Chinese tariffs now at 145%
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    These parties run on hate. Reform voters will be happy to see the rich lose money in the stock market. Thats it.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,075
    Pulpstar said:

    WH clarifies Chinese tariffs now at 145%

    As opposed to what?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,436
    viewcode said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    Ditto Max Hastings' "Armageddon". By 1945 in the European Theatre, everybody was committing war crimes of one stripe or another, and there's only so much of that you can read. I did finish the book but it wasn't a fun read.
    About 300 people were tried and executed for war crimes, in the aftermath of WWII, and that's dwarfed by the number (some guilty, some innocent), who fell victim to summary executions. Savage Continent, by Keith Lowe, which deals with this, is another cheerful read.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,177
    Gallowgate said:

    Pulpstar said:

    WH clarifies Chinese tariffs now at 145%

    As opposed to what?
    125%
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,983
    Bogota said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    These parties run on hate. Reform voters will be happy to see the rich lose money in the stock market. Thats it.
    I think there is more to it than - they feel ignored and left behind and cling to NOA
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,075
    Pulpstar said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Pulpstar said:

    WH clarifies Chinese tariffs now at 145%

    As opposed to what?
    125%
    Interesting. Seems like they’re just making it up as they go along. China seems suspiciously quiet today?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,983
    Pulpstar said:

    WH clarifies Chinese tariffs now at 145%

    200% on its way?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,231
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    I think because Reform voters are primarily concerned about domestic issues. Potholes, empty high streets, burglaries/thefts, etc. They're not particularly interested in foreign affairs, however important they seem to the likes of us on PB.
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    Dow down nearly 1300 points now. Art of the deal. Time for another Trump social post capitulating to China but calling it a win.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,052
    isam said:

    Hard hitting words, but without knowing whether or not she’s watched ‘Adolescence’ I don’t know how seriously to take what she says

    https://x.com/alexharmstrong/status/1910315576171315442?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Really irritating how the right keep banging on about Adolescence ;)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,978
    Bogota said:

    Dow down nearly 1300 points now. Art of the deal. Time for another Trump social post capitulating to China but calling it a win.

    @atrupar.com‬

    small but significant thing I've noticed on Fox Business on days when market is tanking & Trump is president - they only show the Nasdaq ticker in the corner, not the Dow, to give people the impression the market isn't down as much as it actually is (the Dow is currently down more than 1,100 points)

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmhsvvwfcr2w
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,231
    "Tories could go into coalition with Reform on local councils, says Badenoch

    The Tory leader said local Conservatives would have to ‘do what is right for the people in their local area’ - despite ruling out a national coalition deal"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-reform-farage-badenoch-coalition-b2730847.html
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,319
    36% of German consumers boycotting American products entirely according to this poll done in March:

    https://www.ifhkoeln.de/amerikanische-zollpolitik-verunsichert-deutsche-konsumentinnen/

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,608
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    On Reform can anyone explain why they seem to be unaffected by Trump's antics ?

    Because we have quite possibly the world's shittest Government, the Tories aren't yet trusted, and people realise we need to get shot of them yesterday regardless of their dislike or otherwise of a foreign potentate or two?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...
    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,978
    @LOS_Fisher

    EXCL: Michael Gove set to receive peerage in Rishi Sunak’s resignation list tomorrow

    Fellow ex-cabinet ministers Simon Hart and Alister Jack, plus ex-Tory CEO Stephen Massey, are also on the 7-person strong list, acc to sources

    https://x.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1910356165138997324
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,431
    david_herdson said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...
    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Many with cars deliberately avoid driving into Leeds, though, due to limited parking.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,241
    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Hard hitting words, but without knowing whether or not she’s watched ‘Adolescence’ I don’t know how seriously to take what she says

    https://x.com/alexharmstrong/status/1910315576171315442?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Really irritating how the right keep banging on about Adolescence ;)
    Starmer has made it propaganda


  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,231
    "The New SL4 Superloop Bus and Silvertown Tunnel
    Geoff Marshall"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H-bt0PLoz8
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    Scott_xP said:

    Bogota said:

    Dow down nearly 1300 points now. Art of the deal. Time for another Trump social post capitulating to China but calling it a win.

    @atrupar.com‬

    small but significant thing I've noticed on Fox Business on days when market is tanking & Trump is president - they only show the Nasdaq ticker in the corner, not the Dow, to give people the impression the market isn't down as much as it actually is (the Dow is currently down more than 1,100 points)

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmhsvvwfcr2w
    The S&P is a better guide to the US stock market: much more broadly based - and is down nearly three and a half percent.

    Why wouldn't it be? The tariff war is still on with China, 10% is a damn sight more than nothing, and a postponement is not a cancellation. Add in all the uncertainty that the in-out / on-off / up-down of tariff rates has caused and why would businesses be looking to invest and employ right now, when they've no idea what their costs will be from one hour to the next?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,231
    "Immigration judge backed calls to decriminalise illegal UK entry

    Social media posts shared by Greg Ó Ceallaigh also criticised President Trump and said the Tory party should be dealt with ‘like Nazis’" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/78bf9b12-1cbf-4caa-b08e-42b0adf0d140?shareToken=3780356a6206b9907de7da6c31070296
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,608
    david_herdson said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...
    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Yet another idiot who thinks you can solve an economical malaise by dumping a big shiny taxpayer funded bit of infrastructure on it, like putting a garden gnome on a patch of weeds and expecting it to become a garden.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,408
    Bogota said:

    Could you imagine 8 more years of this. There would be nothing left of the usa as a nation.

    Do you see any reason that would prevent that happening?

    Trump has made 3 'victories' in SCOTUS in the last few days. in fairly blatant violation of Constitutional principles - though not as big as prominent media are reporting?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,328
    edited April 10
    Andy_JS said:

    "Immigration judge backed calls to decriminalise illegal UK entry

    Social media posts shared by Greg Ó Ceallaigh also criticised President Trump and said the Tory party should be dealt with ‘like Nazis’" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/78bf9b12-1cbf-4caa-b08e-42b0adf0d140?shareToken=3780356a6206b9907de7da6c31070296

    How did someone as biased as him get appointed in the first place?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    Pulpstar said:

    WH clarifies Chinese tariffs now at 145%

    It's getting near the point where trade between the two just near-enough stops. Presumably that will also involve China not buying any more US bonds and probably continuing to wind down its current stock, which will put upwards pressure on interest rates.

    I don't think Trump has any idea of the value of the US dollar as the global reserve, and the extent to which he's risking that status with his current policies.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,612
    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Immigration judge backed calls to decriminalise illegal UK entry

    Social media posts shared by Greg Ó Ceallaigh also criticised President Trump and said the Tory party should be dealt with ‘like Nazis’" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/78bf9b12-1cbf-4caa-b08e-42b0adf0d140?shareToken=3780356a6206b9907de7da6c31070296

    How did someone as biased as him get appointed I’m the first place?
    Well, the whole point is to be able to put biases aside. Can't do that if you don't have any...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,517
    edited April 10
    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Immigration judge backed calls to decriminalise illegal UK entry

    Social media posts shared by Greg Ó Ceallaigh also criticised President Trump and said the Tory party should be dealt with ‘like Nazis’" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/78bf9b12-1cbf-4caa-b08e-42b0adf0d140?shareToken=3780356a6206b9907de7da6c31070296

    How did someone as biased as him get appointed I’m the first place?
    Based on the article the comments have only now come to light.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,328
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Immigration judge backed calls to decriminalise illegal UK entry

    Social media posts shared by Greg Ó Ceallaigh also criticised President Trump and said the Tory party should be dealt with ‘like Nazis’" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/78bf9b12-1cbf-4caa-b08e-42b0adf0d140?shareToken=3780356a6206b9907de7da6c31070296

    How did someone as biased as him get appointed I’m the first place?
    Based on the article they’ve only come to light now.
    Who does better vetting of their candidates, Reform or the judiciary?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    Andy_JS said:

    "Tories could go into coalition with Reform on local councils, says Badenoch

    The Tory leader said local Conservatives would have to ‘do what is right for the people in their local area’ - despite ruling out a national coalition deal"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-reform-farage-badenoch-coalition-b2730847.html

    This is, to me, the most ridiculous story of the day. Granted, Badenoch's low media ability was on display again but there are post-election coalitions all over the country, involving any number of combinations of parties. it'd be pretty daft for the Tories to rule out dealing with Reform everywhere and irrespective of local conditions (including how cohesive and sensible the Reform group in question is).
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,608
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Immigration judge backed calls to decriminalise illegal UK entry

    Social media posts shared by Greg Ó Ceallaigh also criticised President Trump and said the Tory party should be dealt with ‘like Nazis’" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/78bf9b12-1cbf-4caa-b08e-42b0adf0d140?shareToken=3780356a6206b9907de7da6c31070296

    How did someone as biased as him get appointed I’m the first place?
    Based on the article they’ve only come to light now.
    Who does better vetting of their candidates, Reform or the judiciary?
    Wot no late entry for rapey [ALLEDGEDLY] Labour?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,658
    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    Morris_Dancer said:

    david_herdson said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...
    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Many with cars deliberately avoid driving into Leeds, though, due to limited parking.
    Into, yes. But then routes to the centre are ideal for using buses or trains. It's going suburb A to industrial site N (for example) where public transport suffers - but trams are unlikely to solve that much.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,978
    ‪@bloomberg.com‬

    BREAKING: The S&P 500 extends declines to more than 4% while the Nasdaq 100 slumps 4.5% as the White House says tariffs on China are at least 145%

    https://bsky.app/profile/bloomberg.com/post/3lmhu5hkmp32h
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,658
    david_herdson said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Bogota said:

    Dow down nearly 1300 points now. Art of the deal. Time for another Trump social post capitulating to China but calling it a win.

    @atrupar.com‬

    small but significant thing I've noticed on Fox Business on days when market is tanking & Trump is president - they only show the Nasdaq ticker in the corner, not the Dow, to give people the impression the market isn't down as much as it actually is (the Dow is currently down more than 1,100 points)

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmhsvvwfcr2w
    The S&P is a better guide to the US stock market: much more broadly based - and is down nearly three and a half percent.

    Why wouldn't it be? The tariff war is still on with China, 10% is a damn sight more than nothing, and a postponement is not a cancellation. Add in all the uncertainty that the in-out / on-off / up-down of tariff rates has caused and why would businesses be looking to invest and employ right now, when they've no idea what their costs will be from one hour to the next?
    Everything's down 3% and everything was up yday 8-10% and before that down and before that...

    Don't get too tied up with it all.

    I can assure you that the core of Trump's support don't have huge stock portfolios.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,978
    david_herdson said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    david_herdson said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...
    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Many with cars deliberately avoid driving into Leeds, though, due to limited parking.
    Into, yes. But then routes to the centre are ideal for using buses or trains. It's going suburb A to industrial site N (for example) where public transport suffers - but trams are unlikely to solve that much.
    Somebody on TwiX posted "You should get a discount for a taxi that takes you the same route every day"

    Congratulations, you just invented the bus...
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    david_herdson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    WH clarifies Chinese tariffs now at 145%

    It's getting near the point where trade between the two just near-enough stops. Presumably that will also involve China not buying any more US bonds and probably continuing to wind down its current stock, which will put upwards pressure on interest rates.

    I don't think Trump has any idea of the value of the US dollar as the global reserve, and the extent to which he's risking that status with his current policies.
    No of possibilities with Trump.
    1. Hes a russian asset bent on destroying the united states.
    2. Its all about the grift hence the constant pumping and crashing of markets to enrich himself.
    3. Hes a genuine moron.

    I think its a combination of 2 and 3 though cant discount 1.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    david_herdson said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...
    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Yet another idiot who thinks you can solve an economical malaise by dumping a big shiny taxpayer funded bit of infrastructure on it, like putting a garden gnome on a patch of weeds and expecting it to become a garden.
    Leaving aside the abuse, which there really isn't any call for, it is indeed stupid to think that a bit of infrastructure *by itself* will resolve an economic malaise. But it does play a part if done properly and in conjunction with other measures.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,076
    carnforth said:

    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Immigration judge backed calls to decriminalise illegal UK entry

    Social media posts shared by Greg Ó Ceallaigh also criticised President Trump and said the Tory party should be dealt with ‘like Nazis’" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/78bf9b12-1cbf-4caa-b08e-42b0adf0d140?shareToken=3780356a6206b9907de7da6c31070296

    How did someone as biased as him get appointed I’m the first place?
    Well, the whole point is to be able to put biases aside. Can't do that if you don't have any...
    Indeed. In fact, the more biased they are, the more ability they show to force them aside and the greater their judginess. Many judges are massively biased, thus demonstrating their absolute ability, such as [Stop right there - Ed]
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,076
    Scott_xP said:

    @LOS_Fisher

    EXCL: Michael Gove set to receive peerage in Rishi Sunak’s resignation list tomorrow

    Fellow ex-cabinet ministers Simon Hart and Alister Jack, plus ex-Tory CEO Stephen Massey, are also on the 7-person strong list, acc to sources

    https://x.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1910356165138997324

    Oh, for fuck's sake. Drug-using hypocritical drooling c[Not that word - Ed] He should be in jail, not ennobled.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,517
    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LOS_Fisher

    EXCL: Michael Gove set to receive peerage in Rishi Sunak’s resignation list tomorrow

    Fellow ex-cabinet ministers Simon Hart and Alister Jack, plus ex-Tory CEO Stephen Massey, are also on the 7-person strong list, acc to sources

    https://x.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1910356165138997324

    Oh, for fuck's sake. Drug-using hypocritical drooling c[Not that word - Ed] He should be in jail, not ennobled.
    Judge not lest ye be judged.

    We all make mistakes.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    Bogota said:

    david_herdson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    WH clarifies Chinese tariffs now at 145%

    It's getting near the point where trade between the two just near-enough stops. Presumably that will also involve China not buying any more US bonds and probably continuing to wind down its current stock, which will put upwards pressure on interest rates.

    I don't think Trump has any idea of the value of the US dollar as the global reserve, and the extent to which he's risking that status with his current policies.
    No of possibilities with Trump.
    1. Hes a russian asset bent on destroying the united states.
    2. Its all about the grift hence the constant pumping and crashing of markets to enrich himself.
    3. Hes a genuine moron.

    I think its a combination of 2 and 3 though cant discount 1.
    I saw someone the other day describe Trump as a Russian asset but not a Russian agent, which I think is probably right.

    I agree on the other two.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,226
    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LOS_Fisher

    EXCL: Michael Gove set to receive peerage in Rishi Sunak’s resignation list tomorrow

    Fellow ex-cabinet ministers Simon Hart and Alister Jack, plus ex-Tory CEO Stephen Massey, are also on the 7-person strong list, acc to sources

    https://x.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1910356165138997324

    Oh, for fuck's sake. Drug-using hypocritical drooling c[Not that word - Ed] He should be in jail, not ennobled.
    And yet it's still not as bad as giving one to Spielman.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,650
    david_herdson said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    david_herdson said:

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the northern transport theme from the last thread.

    Let me tell you the story of the most visible example of economic and political failure in modern Britain.

    Leeds is the largest city in western Europe without a mass transit system, and we are all poorer because of it...
    https://x.com/Dan4Barnet/status/1909610312292352023

    It's only three decades since Parliament passed the Leeds Supertram Act...

    Leeds has a mass transit system: there's an extensive bus network and a pretty decent heavy rail one. There are also roads, by which masses of people do indeed transit.

    What there isn't is a tram system. Nor should there be: trams are rubbish. If we're talking a metro then I'd be interested.
    Yet another idiot who thinks you can solve an economical malaise by dumping a big shiny taxpayer funded bit of infrastructure on it, like putting a garden gnome on a patch of weeds and expecting it to become a garden.
    Leaving aside the abuse, which there really isn't any call for, it is indeed stupid to think that a bit of infrastructure *by itself* will resolve an economic malaise. But it does play a part if done properly and in conjunction with other measures.
    It’s really simple - the easiest way to improve the quality of life for people is to offer them more opportunities for work by expanding the options within an x0 minute commute. That has an additional advantage as it also gives employers more options when trying to recruit people.

    And the best way of doing that is improving public transport and the best way of doing that is by building a proper metro system
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,408
    edited April 10
    Andy_JS said:

    "The New SL4 Superloop Bus and Silvertown Tunnel Geoff Marshall"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H-bt0PLoz8

    Here's a short review of the shuttle bus on the Silvertown Tunnel by a mate who videoblogs, who is ... yes they exist ... a traffic sign designer. It is an add on to a longer vid about the Silvertown Tunnel. He has a bit of the Les Dawson's about him:
    https://youtu.be/7UQ3SZJuw88?t=558

    TLDR: it's an abortion, and a sticky plaster.

    They have done things like only have one wheelchair ramp, not two - so you can't wheel on, then off, and have to turn round on the bus. Or alternatively reverse down a narrow ramp with no side rails, which is very steep because the bus can't lower its floor and extend the ramp at the same time.

    it's all in the detail, and all the detail is all wrong. This and more is just normal TFL standards.

    Here's the assessment by Wheels for Wellbeing. TLDR is 'Unsafe, don't use unless you use a normal cycle as your mobility aid and have enough mobility/strength to be able to pick it up.'

    https://wheelsforwellbeing.org.uk/tfl-silvertown-tunnel-cycle-bus-wfw-comments-on-access/

    There are underlying issues such as the design standard still being the 1990s "reference wheelchair", which research back ~2020 showed excluded 1/3 of wheelchairs, and since when there has been a rush to force in e-buses without updating the standards with easy changes.

    But mainly it's an utter fuckup on this scheme. From their £2.2bn budget they could not find a working answer.

    (Update: Hmmm. Wonders about practicality of mobiliety aid users using the Superloop Bus for this segment.)
  • eekeek Posts: 29,650
    Bogota said:

    david_herdson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    WH clarifies Chinese tariffs now at 145%

    It's getting near the point where trade between the two just near-enough stops. Presumably that will also involve China not buying any more US bonds and probably continuing to wind down its current stock, which will put upwards pressure on interest rates.

    I don't think Trump has any idea of the value of the US dollar as the global reserve, and the extent to which he's risking that status with his current policies.
    No of possibilities with Trump.
    1. Hes a russian asset bent on destroying the united states.
    2. Its all about the grift hence the constant pumping and crashing of markets to enrich himself.
    3. Hes a genuine moron.

    I think its a combination of 2 and 3 though cant discount 1.
    Could it be 1 because of 3 with 2 as the reward for 1.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,076
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LOS_Fisher

    EXCL: Michael Gove set to receive peerage in Rishi Sunak’s resignation list tomorrow

    Fellow ex-cabinet ministers Simon Hart and Alister Jack, plus ex-Tory CEO Stephen Massey, are also on the 7-person strong list, acc to sources

    https://x.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1910356165138997324

    Oh, for fuck's sake. Drug-using hypocritical drooling c[Not that word - Ed] He should be in jail, not ennobled.
    Judge not lest ye be judged.

    We all make mistakes.
    Out of deference to your sagacity, handsomeness, excellent choice in footware, and article-publishing willingness, I shall forego my response, but it would have involved many intemperate and rude words.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,243
    david_herdson said:

    Bogota said:

    david_herdson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    WH clarifies Chinese tariffs now at 145%

    It's getting near the point where trade between the two just near-enough stops. Presumably that will also involve China not buying any more US bonds and probably continuing to wind down its current stock, which will put upwards pressure on interest rates.

    I don't think Trump has any idea of the value of the US dollar as the global reserve, and the extent to which he's risking that status with his current policies.
    No of possibilities with Trump.
    1. Hes a russian asset bent on destroying the united states.
    2. Its all about the grift hence the constant pumping and crashing of markets to enrich himself.
    3. Hes a genuine moron.

    I think its a combination of 2 and 3 though cant discount 1.
    I saw someone the other day describe Trump as a Russian asset but not a Russian agent, which I think is probably right.

    I agree on the other two.
    The most valuable human asset is the one who does what you want without any input or control on your part.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,028
    edited April 10
    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,517
    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LOS_Fisher

    EXCL: Michael Gove set to receive peerage in Rishi Sunak’s resignation list tomorrow

    Fellow ex-cabinet ministers Simon Hart and Alister Jack, plus ex-Tory CEO Stephen Massey, are also on the 7-person strong list, acc to sources

    https://x.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1910356165138997324

    Oh, for fuck's sake. Drug-using hypocritical drooling c[Not that word - Ed] He should be in jail, not ennobled.
    Judge not lest ye be judged.

    We all make mistakes.
    Out of deference to your sagacity, handsomeness, excellent choice in footware, and article-publishing willingness, I shall forego my response, but it would have involved many intemperate and rude words.
    Michael Gove has been very nice to me on several occasions.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    TOPPING said:

    david_herdson said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Bogota said:

    Dow down nearly 1300 points now. Art of the deal. Time for another Trump social post capitulating to China but calling it a win.

    @atrupar.com‬

    small but significant thing I've noticed on Fox Business on days when market is tanking & Trump is president - they only show the Nasdaq ticker in the corner, not the Dow, to give people the impression the market isn't down as much as it actually is (the Dow is currently down more than 1,100 points)

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmhsvvwfcr2w
    The S&P is a better guide to the US stock market: much more broadly based - and is down nearly three and a half percent.

    Why wouldn't it be? The tariff war is still on with China, 10% is a damn sight more than nothing, and a postponement is not a cancellation. Add in all the uncertainty that the in-out / on-off / up-down of tariff rates has caused and why would businesses be looking to invest and employ right now, when they've no idea what their costs will be from one hour to the next?
    Everything's down 3% and everything was up yday 8-10% and before that down and before that...

    Don't get too tied up with it all.

    I can assure you that the core of Trump's support don't have huge stock portfolios.
    Well, it's down five percent now.

    Yes, day-to-day movements will fluctuate all over in this current chaos. But while Trump carries on as he is doing, mostly down (other than US bond yields).
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,802
    TOPPING said:

    david_herdson said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Bogota said:

    Dow down nearly 1300 points now. Art of the deal. Time for another Trump social post capitulating to China but calling it a win.

    @atrupar.com‬

    small but significant thing I've noticed on Fox Business on days when market is tanking & Trump is president - they only show the Nasdaq ticker in the corner, not the Dow, to give people the impression the market isn't down as much as it actually is (the Dow is currently down more than 1,100 points)

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmhsvvwfcr2w
    The S&P is a better guide to the US stock market: much more broadly based - and is down nearly three and a half percent.

    Why wouldn't it be? The tariff war is still on with China, 10% is a damn sight more than nothing, and a postponement is not a cancellation. Add in all the uncertainty that the in-out / on-off / up-down of tariff rates has caused and why would businesses be looking to invest and employ right now, when they've no idea what their costs will be from one hour to the next?
    Everything's down 3% and everything was up yday 8-10% and before that down and before that...

    Don't get too tied up with it all.

    I can assure you that the core of Trump's support don't have huge stock portfolios.
    A lot more Americans rely on personal pensions with heavy equity loadings than Europeans, so they’ll be noticing.

    But the bigger thing, and the one which actually forced the u-turn yesterday, is the US treasury bond market. Yields are down since yesterday’s reversal and nothing exciting seems to be happening today.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,658
    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,169
    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LOS_Fisher

    EXCL: Michael Gove set to receive peerage in Rishi Sunak’s resignation list tomorrow

    Fellow ex-cabinet ministers Simon Hart and Alister Jack, plus ex-Tory CEO Stephen Massey, are also on the 7-person strong list, acc to sources

    https://x.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1910356165138997324

    Oh, for fuck's sake. Drug-using hypocritical drooling c[Not that word - Ed] He should be in jail, not ennobled.
    If we want a second chamber full of the elderly having to sit through hours of boring debates surely we should lean towards those keen on a little pharmaceutical support?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,658
    TimS said:

    TOPPING said:

    david_herdson said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Bogota said:

    Dow down nearly 1300 points now. Art of the deal. Time for another Trump social post capitulating to China but calling it a win.

    @atrupar.com‬

    small but significant thing I've noticed on Fox Business on days when market is tanking & Trump is president - they only show the Nasdaq ticker in the corner, not the Dow, to give people the impression the market isn't down as much as it actually is (the Dow is currently down more than 1,100 points)

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmhsvvwfcr2w
    The S&P is a better guide to the US stock market: much more broadly based - and is down nearly three and a half percent.

    Why wouldn't it be? The tariff war is still on with China, 10% is a damn sight more than nothing, and a postponement is not a cancellation. Add in all the uncertainty that the in-out / on-off / up-down of tariff rates has caused and why would businesses be looking to invest and employ right now, when they've no idea what their costs will be from one hour to the next?
    Everything's down 3% and everything was up yday 8-10% and before that down and before that...

    Don't get too tied up with it all.

    I can assure you that the core of Trump's support don't have huge stock portfolios.
    A lot more Americans rely on personal pensions with heavy equity loadings than Europeans, so they’ll be noticing.

    But the bigger thing, and the one which actually forced the u-turn yesterday, is the US treasury bond market. Yields are down since yesterday’s reversal and nothing exciting seems to be happening today.
    As I mentioned, Trump's core constituency is not generally a stock holding one. 401k notwithstanding.
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    Donald Trump went to Moscow on the 4th of July, 1987. Two months later he put out full page ads attacking NATO and suggesting we put tariffs on our allies.

    Same conman, he just switched hair and skin tones over 38 years.


    https://x.com/jimstewartson/status/1910052027260108909
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,028
    edited April 10
    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more nuanced, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    Dow down nearly 2000 points now.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,198
    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,169
    Bogota said:

    Donald Trump went to Moscow on the 4th of July, 1987. Two months later he put out full page ads attacking NATO and suggesting we put tariffs on our allies.

    Same conman, he just switched hair and skin tones over 38 years.


    https://x.com/jimstewartson/status/1910052027260108909

    https://michaeldsellers.substack.com/p/trump-and-kgb-part-4-another-look?triedRedirect=true
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,658
    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    Yes, I know I should. There is so much horror in WWII, and of course, other conflicts. I found Max Hastings' Nemesis and Lord Russell's Knights of Bushido similarly troubling reads.

    I recently read "Three Tigers, One Mountain", a really interesting travelogue through Japan, South Korea, Manchuria, China and Taiwan, with a theme of how the 3 cultures feel about each other, particularly in light of 20th Century history. It's quite gruesome in parts, particularly around issues such as "Comfort Women", Unit 731, the Nanking massacre etc. There is an interesting love/hate relationship between the three. I was surprised by how much pro-Japanese feeling there was in Taiwan.

    It also gave me pause for thought about our own legacy of Empire, particularly in India, Middle East and Africa, and our own relationship with our former colonial possessions. We were rarely as directly brutal as the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, though neglect and economic exploitation of local people's was in the same order, and some development similarly beneficial. A lot of the issues around apology, refusal to apologise and compensation are not dissimilar.

    https://amzn.eu/d/gMvwmoH
    The Chinese relationship with Japan is not love-hate. It is hate-hate. For reasons, many of which you seem to have just read about.
    Well, it is more complicated than that.

    Japan is amongst the most popular places for Chinese and Korean tourists, and vice versa for example, and modern Japanese culture is very popular in China.

    It's more complicated, just like the relationship between us and our former colonies.
    Of course it's more complicated. But there is a deep-seated antithetical feeling between "China' and "Japan".

    Instead of our former colonies perhaps there is a better example closer to home. There is generally a great degree of resentment towards "Great Britain" by "Ireland". All in scare quotes because individually that is often not the case and there are great people flows and exchanges between the two countries. But more broadly, Ireland resents Britain for what it believes are terrible historic and ongoing injustices.

    Likewise, more broadly, China is antipathetic towards Japan for those historic injustices and outrages.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,243
    david_herdson said:

    TOPPING said:

    david_herdson said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Bogota said:

    Dow down nearly 1300 points now. Art of the deal. Time for another Trump social post capitulating to China but calling it a win.

    @atrupar.com‬

    small but significant thing I've noticed on Fox Business on days when market is tanking & Trump is president - they only show the Nasdaq ticker in the corner, not the Dow, to give people the impression the market isn't down as much as it actually is (the Dow is currently down more than 1,100 points)

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmhsvvwfcr2w
    The S&P is a better guide to the US stock market: much more broadly based - and is down nearly three and a half percent.

    Why wouldn't it be? The tariff war is still on with China, 10% is a damn sight more than nothing, and a postponement is not a cancellation. Add in all the uncertainty that the in-out / on-off / up-down of tariff rates has caused and why would businesses be looking to invest and employ right now, when they've no idea what their costs will be from one hour to the next?
    Everything's down 3% and everything was up yday 8-10% and before that down and before that...

    Don't get too tied up with it all.

    I can assure you that the core of Trump's support don't have huge stock portfolios.
    Well, it's down five percent now.

    Yes, day-to-day movements will fluctuate all over in this current chaos. But while Trump carries on as he is doing, mostly down (other than US bond yields).
    The central mystery is not why US markets are falling now, it's why they rose so much yesterday.

    As long as the US is basically not buying stuff from China, all sorts of businesses are in really quite deep doodoo.

    Captains of American Industry- do you still think you can control him?
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    Most of yesterdays gains have now been wiped out.
  • SonofContrarianSonofContrarian Posts: 144
    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    13 year old white kid isn't exactly representative of society's problems..in the legacy medias mind it is though..🤔
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,658
    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    Ah interesting. Thanks (and welcome back).

    Bonkers. I don't mind if it's shown in every school and what I took away from it was the dangers of peer pressure, social media amplification, and isolation.

    I didn't note any race issue, apart from the fact that Stephen Graham is of Jamaican heritage which I suppose both "sides" choose to overlook.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,028
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    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    What's the problem with Adolescence. I thought it was amazing. Beyond amazing. Are there some kind of culture war overtones that went over my head. What are the right and left saying (as if it makes any difference, but still...).

    I haven't watched it, not out of a refusal to do so, but because I don't watch loads of tv. White Lotus and football

    The right are saying "How come the show that is supposedly so realistic is showing the perpetrator as a white boy from a loving, two parent family, when the stats show that black children from broken homes are disproportiate offenders?"

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67ee7f049eae202448299c81/Knife_Crime_Evidence_Insights_Feb25.pptx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

    The left are saying "This programme is so realistic it should be shown in every school"
    "Adolescence" is about misogyny and manosphere, not race. So the right don't like it.

    There have been some excellent recent programmes on other aspects of knife violence including racial issues, such as this recent one by Idris Elba.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0027ffx

    Incidentally, as per @Cyclefree header the other day, I opposed showing Adolescence in schools. Not least because even intelligent adults often misinterpret it, see below on that header.
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