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The Canadian petri dish – politicalbetting.com

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The Canadian petri dish – politicalbetting.com

Former Governor of the Bank of England turned Prime Minister of Canada Mark Carney has called an election for the 28th of April and this will be a test if Donald Trump’s interventions can shape elections outside of Les Etats-Unis.

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  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,332
    First?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,332
    Looks like a nail-biter.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 872
    Not very Betfair to have left this market so late... No chance of a betting coup now...
    R4 have a good documentary on the modern gambling industry, though yet to talk about FOBT and laundering
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,332
    Hopefully President Donald Trump Jr will intervene to support Reform in the 2029 election here.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,883
    The first day of campaigning didn’t go well for Carney . After seeming to agree to a French debate in Quebec on TVA he later changed his mind . There were worries from his camp over the format which is quick fire questions . He will though be taking part in the official French debates later in the middle of April.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,347
    edited 7:59AM
    FPT:

    F1: Chinese Grand Prix review in the latest Undercutters podcast. Weirdly, Apple is being ultra-slow, so I'll add that link when it comes through.

    Anyway, Tsunoda gets shafted by his strategy team (again), Ferrari have a very mixed weekend, Alonso's luck remains awful, and Piastri rapidly narrows the gap to Norris.

    Podbean: https://undercutters.podbean.com/e/f1-2025-chinese-grand-prix-review/

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0RrRUWYBdL1Wgsh08GFxhM

    Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/bcfe213b-55fb-408a-a823-dc6693ee9f78/episodes/0423e194-ae55-4e4c-8ed6-77bc4c25e313/undercutters---f1-podcast-f1-2025-chinese-grand-prix-review

    Transcript: https://morrisf1.blogspot.com/2025/03/f1-2025-chinese-grand-prix-review.html
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,244
    I still think we could see a bit of a UK2017 effect here and that the Liberals’ polling could gradually weaken as the campaign goes on and people remind themselves why they were 20 points behind before “The Event.”

    That said I don’t think it will be a slam dunk for the Tories like it was looking a couple of months ago.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,024
    edited 8:06AM
    Do we think there are US embassy staff, not the political appointees, around Europe waking up every morning to the new news just tearing their hair out about the clowns in Washington destroying their diplomatic leverage over a huge rich market that was friendly?

    Hopefully I will be alive when their memoirs can be released as it’s going to be interesting by to find out if they see the madness or if actually Amercans actually are ok with this reset.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,591
    boulay said:

    Do we think there are US embassy staff, not the political appointees, around Europe waking up every morning to the new news just tearing their hair out about the clowns in Washington destroying their diplomatic leverage over a huge rich market that was friendly?

    Hopefully I will be alive when their memoirs can be released as it’s going to be interesting by to find out if they see the madness or if actually Amercans actually are ok with this reset.

    I suspect after a while self-preservation clicks in and they start persuading themselves it’s all fine. We all tell ourselves stories to make our lives tolerable.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,994
    FPT:

    Scott_xP said:

    I am still of the view that the list of White House appointees will look very different by year end.

    Why?

    These idiots, appointed by an idiot, are doing exactly what he wants.
    There's a difference in owning the Libtards and making the President a laughing stock. He's too thin-skinned to allow the idiots to make the White House a permanent Whitehall farce.

    "Donald, where's your trousers?" as Jimmy Kimmell will ask every episode. You KNOW there will be a price to pay for those letting him down. He'll end up more capricious than the Queen of Hearts.
    That's a good one, that I hadn't seen before. I like Donald Shmuck and Donald Chump, but he does say that his mum was from the Isle of Skye, does he not?

    Checking - it has been done back in 2018:

    Donald, Where's Your Troosers?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y11yHLvmzA0

    "He says his mum's from the Isle of Skye
    But he doesn'y drink and he don't get high
    He's never Scottish - Jings Och Aye !
    Donald is a Doozer."


  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,994
    edited 8:13AM
    Good morning everyone.

    A strange one - New York State has suddenly started enforcing on false number plates, slightly (they caught just 5000 in one year). Strange because the most notorious and corrupt offenders have been NYPD employees and City Officials.

    https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-marks-one-year-largest-city-and-state-interagency-task-force-remove-ghost-cars
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,591

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s

    If Scotland does get independence in future it should learn from Ukraine and not give up its share of British nuclear weapons, even in exchange for security guarantees. It should insist on a permanent seat on the UNSC. Otherwise before you know it there will be little green men turning up in Dumfries and Galloway claiming to protect the “English speaking” population there.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,051
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Scott_xP said:

    I am still of the view that the list of White House appointees will look very different by year end.

    Why?

    These idiots, appointed by an idiot, are doing exactly what he wants.
    There's a difference in owning the Libtards and making the President a laughing stock. He's too thin-skinned to allow the idiots to make the White House a permanent Whitehall farce.

    "Donald, where's your trousers?" as Jimmy Kimmell will ask every episode. You KNOW there will be a price to pay for those letting him down. He'll end up more capricious than the Queen of Hearts.
    That's a good one, that I hadn't seen before. I like Donald Shmuck and Donald Chump, but he does say that his mum was from the Isle of Skye, does he not?

    Checking - it has been done back in 2018:

    Donald, Where's Your Troosers?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y11yHLvmzA0

    "He says his mum's from the Isle of Skye
    But he doesn'y drink and he don't get high
    He's never Scottish - Jings Och Aye !
    Donald is a Doozer."


    Fake news.
    His maw is from the Isle of Lewis (fake news in itself as it's actually the Isle of Lewis & Harris).
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,615
    Dopermean said:

    Not very Betfair to have left this market so late... No chance of a betting coup now...
    R4 have a good documentary on the modern gambling industry, though yet to talk about FOBT and laundering

    I thought all the FOBTs now had a maximum 20p stake or somesuch. Are they still a huge problem (they certainly were)?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,615
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Scott_xP said:

    I am still of the view that the list of White House appointees will look very different by year end.

    Why?

    These idiots, appointed by an idiot, are doing exactly what he wants.
    There's a difference in owning the Libtards and making the President a laughing stock. He's too thin-skinned to allow the idiots to make the White House a permanent Whitehall farce.

    "Donald, where's your trousers?" as Jimmy Kimmell will ask every episode. You KNOW there will be a price to pay for those letting him down. He'll end up more capricious than the Queen of Hearts.
    That's a good one, that I hadn't seen before. I like Donald Shmuck and Donald Chump, but he does say that his mum was from the Isle of Skye, does he not?

    Checking - it has been done back in 2018:

    Donald, Where's Your Troosers?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y11yHLvmzA0

    "He says his mum's from the Isle of Skye
    But he doesn'y drink and he don't get high
    He's never Scottish - Jings Och Aye !
    Donald is a Doozer."


    Surely ironic. Or is the attack line that he isn't some drunken addict lolling around the streets like a 'true" Scotsman.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,570
    Pete Hegseth: “Under the previous administration, we looked like fools. Not anymore.”
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1904241328407580875
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,303
    edited 8:28AM
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Scott_xP said:

    I am still of the view that the list of White House appointees will look very different by year end.

    Why?

    These idiots, appointed by an idiot, are doing exactly what he wants.
    There's a difference in owning the Libtards and making the President a laughing stock. He's too thin-skinned to allow the idiots to make the White House a permanent Whitehall farce.

    "Donald, where's your trousers?" as Jimmy Kimmell will ask every episode. You KNOW there will be a price to pay for those letting him down. He'll end up more capricious than the Queen of Hearts.
    That's a good one, that I hadn't seen before. I like Donald Shmuck and Donald Chump, but he does say that his mum was from the Isle of Skye, does he not?

    Checking - it has been done back in 2018:

    Donald, Where's Your Troosers?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y11yHLvmzA0

    "He says his mum's from the Isle of Skye
    But he doesn'y drink and he don't get high
    He's never Scottish - Jings Och Aye !
    Donald is a Doozer."


    Actually his mother was from Lewis. Apparently, after she had a stroke she lost the ability to speak English and could only speak Gaelic. Donald John is a very common name on the outer islands, and it does seem that he may have been his mothers´s favourite. What that all means psychologically is not my field, but certainly Fred Trump was a pretty unpleasant fellow by most accounts. Certainly explains DJTs "affection" for Scotland.

    There are few wingnuts on the fringes of the Nats who beleive that Trump could be their helper, but I think they misunderstand their man. The late Mrs. Trump was one of those with a great love for the crown, hence the simpering flesh crawl of Trump to the Royal family. The SNP was founded by Communists like Hugh McDairmid.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,734
    edited 8:27AM
    Starmer appoints Rishi Sunak’s wife as V&A trustee
    Akshata Murty joins Mariella Frostrup and Vick Hope among new museum appointees
    ...
    Meanwhile, Sir Keir has also approved several new appointments at the British Museum... Its new trustees include Claudia Winkleman, the presenter of the popular television programme The Traitors, along with Martha Kearney, presenter of BBC Radio 4’s The World at One, and Tom Holland, the historian.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/24/starmer-appoints-rishi-sunak-wife-v-and-a-trustee-murty-uk/ (£££)

    Turns out it is not just President Trump who only appoints people he has seen on telly.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,303

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s


    The SNP are staring obliteration in the face.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,332
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,591
    edited 8:32AM

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    It’s the old returning to the purity of the ancestral homeland before decadence and the fall. Proper origin myth stuff.

    But their hierarchy of contempt extends domestically too. The more familiar, the more they despise. US Liberals are at the top, then Canadians, then Europeans. It’s civil war thinking.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,145
    Cicero said:

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s


    The SNP are staring obliteration in the face.
    It takes a certain bravery to stare the SNP in the face.

    Obliteration might just be the man for the job.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,145

    Starmer appoints Rishi Sunak’s wife as V&A trustee
    Akshata Murty joins Mariella Frostrup and Vick Hope among new museum appointees
    ...
    Meanwhile, Sir Keir has also approved several new appointments at the British Museum... Its new trustees include Claudia Winkleman, the presenter of the popular television programme The Traitors, along with Martha Kearney, presenter of BBC Radio 4’s The World at One, and Tom Holland, the historian.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/24/starmer-appoints-rishi-sunak-wife-v-and-a-trustee-murty-uk/ (£££)

    Turns out it is not just President Trump who only appoints people he has seen on telly.

    "Ooops, hang on Tom Holland. I meant Tom Hollander. The bloke off the telly. Soz."
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,570

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    Rather more importantly, it has implications for our foreign policy. There's little point toadying to someone who's actively hostile to you.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,394
    In Canada the interesting thing is the Conservatives are still up on the last Federal election on around 37% which in normal times would be enough to win most seats.

    Yet the Liberals are massively up on last year's polls to near 40% as they squeeze the NDP, BQ and Green voters to give Carney a mandate to stand up to Trump on his tariffs and annexation threats
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,459
    TimS said:

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s

    If Scotland does get independence in future it should learn from Ukraine and not give up its share of British nuclear weapons, even in exchange for security guarantees. It should insist on a permanent seat on the UNSC. Otherwise before you know it there will be little green men turning up in Dumfries and Galloway claiming to protect the “English speaking” population there.

    Why do you think @HYUFD wants all those tanks?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,591
    Nigelb said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    Rather more importantly, it has implications for our foreign policy. There's little point toadying to someone who's actively hostile to you.
    Hopefully by April the whole tariffs and retaliatory tax measures malarkey will be a bit clearer and Britain will know whether it’s actually been successful in deflecting them. If so, then I expect we continue to tread carefully - which is understandable but will damage our relations with the EU and Canada; if not, then I hope (but don’t expect) that we’ll join the side of the righteous.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,051
    Cicero said:

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s


    The SNP are staring obliteration in the face.
    Lol.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,394

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    No they love Eastern Europe which is almost universally white and socially conservative Christian and nationalist. Indeed MAGA prefer Putin's Russia and Orban's Hungary even to the Harris and Democrat voting blue states of the US.

    Most of Trump's wives including Melania are Eastern European
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 872
    TOPPING said:

    Dopermean said:

    Not very Betfair to have left this market so late... No chance of a betting coup now...
    R4 have a good documentary on the modern gambling industry, though yet to talk about FOBT and laundering

    I thought all the FOBTs now had a maximum 20p stake or somesuch. Are they still a huge problem (they certainly were)?
    £2 max stake so presumably no longer a problem (or much harder work), but as a history of the modern gambling industry you'd have thought that the previous role of FOBT in money laundering would feature.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,752
    Nigelb said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    Rather more importantly, it has implications for our foreign policy. There's little point toadying to someone who's actively hostile to you.
    It's not quite so simple. The outfit 'actively hostile' to us, which it is, has the facility to retain nuclear weapons on our Suffolk lawn. And that is just the icing on the cake of the interconnectedness going back to the 1940s.

    An oddity: the outfit in Europe the warmongering gangsters should hate most is the one which moralistically proclaims its neutrality, was neutral in WWII and de facto relies on everyone else, especially the UK and USA, to make sure the Russians don't attack it. Step forward the Republic of Ireland. Do I detect a degree of silence, even from Trump on the matter?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,394
    edited 8:51AM
    TimS said:

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s

    If Scotland does get independence in future it should learn from Ukraine and not give up its share of British nuclear weapons, even in exchange for security guarantees. It should insist on a permanent seat on the UNSC. Otherwise before you know it there will be little green men turning up in
    Dumfries and Galloway
    claiming to protect the
    “English speaking” population there.
    And any UK leader should
    refuse them both even if they
    were stupid enough to allow
    them an Indyref2 the nationalists won
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,591
    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s

    If Scotland does get independence in future it should learn from Ukraine and not give up its share of British nuclear weapons, even in exchange for security guarantees. It should insist on a permanent seat on the UNSC. Otherwise before you know it there will be little green men turning up in Dumfries and Galloway claiming to protect the “English speaking” population there.
    And any UK leader should refuse them both even if they were stupid enough to allow them and Indyref2 the nationalists won
    Would you let Scotland join NATO and the EU or would that be a provocation?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,207
    TimS said:



    Would you let Scotland join NATO and the EU or would that be a provocation?

    NATO is irrelevant at this point and the United Kingdom of England, Wales and the Isle of Wight has no say in whether Scotland joins the EU or not.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,454
    Looks a bit like the 2017 election here. Everyone else getting squeezed by the main two parties.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,036
    edited 8:56AM
    The NDP is heading for a near wipe-out according to the Canadian polls. Most of the surge in support for the Liberals has come from that source. The Conservatives are down only slightly.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,332

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    Vance seems to simultaneously hate his own background and hate the world he has joined.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,752

    Starmer appoints Rishi Sunak’s wife as V&A trustee
    Akshata Murty joins Mariella Frostrup and Vick Hope among new museum appointees
    ...
    Meanwhile, Sir Keir has also approved several new appointments at the British Museum... Its new trustees include Claudia Winkleman, the presenter of the popular television programme The Traitors, along with Martha Kearney, presenter of BBC Radio 4’s The World at One, and Tom Holland, the historian.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/24/starmer-appoints-rishi-sunak-wife-v-and-a-trustee-murty-uk/ (£££)

    Turns out it is not just President Trump who only appoints people he has seen on telly.

    A big part of being a trustee for the big museums is publicity and fund raising.

    Mrs Sunak will be able to run a pretty fair bake sale.

    And she's got the recipe for billionaire's shortbread.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,591
    Dura_Ace said:

    TimS said:



    Would you let Scotland join NATO and the EU or would that be a provocation?

    NATO is irrelevant at this point and the United Kingdom of England, Wales and the Isle of Wight has no say in whether Scotland joins the EU or not.
    We could manoeuvre a pro-English leader into Hollyrood then present him an offer he can’t refuse of membership of the Great British economic union.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,394
    TimS said:

    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s

    If Scotland does get independence in future it should learn from Ukraine and not give up its share of British nuclear weapons, even in exchange for security guarantees. It should insist on a permanent seat on the UNSC. Otherwise before you know it there will be little green men turning up in Dumfries and Galloway claiming to protect the “English speaking” population there.
    And any UK leader should refuse them both even if they were stupid enough to allow them and Indyref2 the nationalists won
    Would you let Scotland join NATO and the EU or would that be a provocation?
    I would ban Indyref2 full stop
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,883
    Cicero said:

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s


    The SNP are staring obliteration in the face.
    The SNP will easily be the largest party in the 2026 Holyrood elections.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,920
    edited 9:05AM
    algarkirk said:

    The BBC is giving wall to wall coverage of the security lapse farce. And this is OK. But it doesn't tell us anything at all we didn't know before but merely confirms what we thought about their character and competence.

    But the BBC continues to give relatively scant attention to the big story: USA has switched sides, and USA is becoming a rogue state both externally and internally.

    As the wags on twitter are all saying at least with Hegseth and co when they attack the UK we will already know about it via Whatapp.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,332
    TimS said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    It’s the old returning to the purity of the ancestral homeland before decadence and the fall. Proper origin myth stuff.

    But their hierarchy of contempt extends domestically too. The more familiar, the more they despise. US Liberals are at the top, then Canadians, then Europeans. It’s civil war thinking.
    Yes there is real hatred there. It's like Richard Nixon but dialled up to 11.
    BTW did you see the Sunday Times named Telegraph Hill as one of Britain's top neighbourhoods? Feeling even smugger than usual.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,332

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    Vance seems to simultaneously hate his own background and hate the world he has joined.
    He also hates immigration and multiculturalism while being married to the daughter of Indian immigrants. He seems to be quite a conflicted individual.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,070
    Cicero said:

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s


    The SNP are staring obliteration in the face.
    Except they're not, are they?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,856

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    Vance seems to simultaneously hate his own background and hate the world he has joined.
    He also hates immigration and multiculturalism while being married to the daughter of Indian immigrants. He seems to be quite a conflicted individual.
    Maybe he hates his wife, though? Doesn't seem that implausible.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,332
    Chris said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    Vance seems to simultaneously hate his own background and hate the world he has joined.
    He also hates immigration and multiculturalism while being married to the daughter of Indian immigrants. He seems to be quite a conflicted individual.
    Maybe he hates his wife, though? Doesn't seem that implausible.
    He doesn't seem to, but who knows.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,180
    A bit of an open goal but Jon Stewart funnier than usual

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNMdRzK9Nj0
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,036
    "£1,700 for ‘Project Charisma’ and £500 on ice cream: The secrets of government credit cards
    A Telegraph investigation itemises the astonishing bills racked up by civil servants at the taxpayers’ expense"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/24/government-credit-cards-spending/
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,015

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    Vance seems to simultaneously hate his own background and hate the world he has joined.
    He also hates immigration and multiculturalism while being married to the daughter of Indian immigrants. He seems to be quite a conflicted individual.
    That's understandable. It's like saying you're not racist because you have a black barber; or you are not sexist because you love you mum.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,302
    HYUFD said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    No they love Eastern Europe which is almost universally white and socially conservative Christian and nationalist. Indeed MAGA prefer Putin's Russia and Orban's Hungary even to the Harris and Democrat voting blue states of the US.

    Most of Trump's wives including Melania are Eastern European
    Putin’s Russia is one of the most secular countries in the world.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,844
    edited 9:29AM

    Cicero said:

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s


    The SNP are staring obliteration in the face.
    The SNP will easily be the largest party in the 2026 Holyrood elections.
    Good morning

    I have no idea why anyone expects the SNP to be obliterated who knows anything about Scotland

    Indeed I expect they will do very well next year for Holyrood not least now Sturgeon has been cleared
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,015
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    No they love Eastern Europe which is almost universally white and socially conservative Christian and nationalist. Indeed MAGA prefer Putin's Russia and Orban's Hungary even to the Harris and Democrat voting blue states of the US.

    Most of Trump's wives including Melania are Eastern European
    Putin’s Russia is one of the most secular countries in the world.
    Yes, but they're secular and really care about the traditional family, which is why they have such a high birth rate...

    Oh.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,578
    Andy_JS said:

    The NDP is heading for a near wipe-out according to the Canadian polls. Most of the surge in support for the Liberals has come from that source. The Conservatives are down only slightly.

    Carney for the Liberals.

    Carnage for the NDP.

    This is what you get under FPTP.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,844
    Roger said:
    It will not change anything in relation to rejoining no matter how much you want to
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 54
    Roger said:
    Only if it affects votes. Zero evidence of that right now.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,343
    Andy_JS said:

    "£1,700 for ‘Project Charisma’ and £500 on ice cream: The secrets of government credit cards
    A Telegraph investigation itemises the astonishing bills racked up by civil servants at the taxpayers’ expense"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/24/government-credit-cards-spending/

    It's time to demonise the civil service once again. I don't remember any of this desperate soul searching during the long Conservative years of neglect and decline.

    I wonder how much was wasted then on pointless things such as ice cream, dry cleaning, getting out of the EU....
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,844
    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "£1,700 for ‘Project Charisma’ and £500 on ice cream: The secrets of government credit cards
    A Telegraph investigation itemises the astonishing bills racked up by civil servants at the taxpayers’ expense"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/24/government-credit-cards-spending/

    It's time to demonise the civil service once again. I don't remember any of this desperate soul searching during the long Conservative years of neglect and decline.

    I wonder how much was wasted then on pointless things such as ice cream, dry cleaning, getting out of the EU....
    I think what is bizarre is Reeves continuation of accepting free hospitality and Heidi Alexander, her cabinet colleague, saying she does not accept these gifts and anyway she is is too busy!!!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,329

    Andy_JS said:

    The NDP is heading for a near wipe-out according to the Canadian polls. Most of the surge in support for the Liberals has come from that source. The Conservatives are down only slightly.

    Carney for the Liberals.

    Carnage for the NDP.

    This is what you get under FPTP.
    Much like what happened to our Liberals in the 40's and 50's, before Jo Grimond brought their fire back to life.
    It's taken a while, but at this rate they could be the main opposition party after the 2028/9 election.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,312
    Where British Columbia leads the rest of Canada will follow.

    Cannot blame them, given the fact the King is rolling out the red carpet for Trump.

    Most British Columbians want Canada to abandon the constitutional monarchy

    https://victoriabuzz.com/2025/03/most-british-columbians-want-canada-to-abandon-the-constitutional-monarchy/
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,946

    Cicero said:

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s


    The SNP are staring obliteration in the face.
    The SNP will easily be the largest party in the 2026 Holyrood elections.
    Good morning

    I have no idea why anyone expects the SNP to be obliterated who knows anything about Scotland

    Indeed I expect they will do very well next year for Holyrood not least now Sturgeon has been cleared
    SNP will be down in numbers but remain the biggest party at Holyrood. The key thing is whether there will be a pro-Indy majority or not. And that will depend on the performance of the Greens. At the moment it looks unlikely. Also, Labour are flatlining and the Tories will be down due to Reform.

    Most likely outcome, with Indy off the table, is an SNP-Labour "grand coalition". Swinney will want to remain as First Minister and Sarwar will be desperate to get into office. And, on most issues (apart from Indy) there is very little between them. LibDems likely to be part of it too depending on the numbers - they certainly want to get back into Govt.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,960
    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s

    If Scotland does get independence in future it should learn from Ukraine and not give up its share of British nuclear weapons, even in exchange for security guarantees. It should insist on a permanent seat on the UNSC. Otherwise before you know it there will be little green men turning up in Dumfries and Galloway claiming to protect the “English speaking” population there.
    And any UK leader should refuse them both even if they were stupid enough to allow them and Indyref2 the nationalists won
    Would you let Scotland join NATO and the EU or would that be a provocation?
    I would ban Indyref2 full stop
    PB is healing and returning to nature
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,946

    Where British Columbia leads the rest of Canada will follow.

    Cannot blame them, given the fact the King is rolling out the red carpet for Trump.

    Most British Columbians want Canada to abandon the constitutional monarchy

    https://victoriabuzz.com/2025/03/most-british-columbians-want-canada-to-abandon-the-constitutional-monarchy/

    Ethnic change a factor?

    From wiki: "About 60 percent of British Columbians have European descent with significant Asian and Aboriginal minorities. Just under 30% of British Columbians are immigrants. Over half of the population is irreligious, with Christianity and Sikhism being the most followed religions."
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,329

    Where British Columbia leads the rest of Canada will follow.

    Cannot blame them, given the fact the King is rolling out the red carpet for Trump.

    Most British Columbians want Canada to abandon the constitutional monarchy

    https://victoriabuzz.com/2025/03/most-british-columbians-want-canada-to-abandon-the-constitutional-monarchy/

    Can't blame them, TBH. Starmer must be considering withdrawing the invitation, surely. If he isn't he ought to be.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,775
    edited 9:58AM

    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "£1,700 for ‘Project Charisma’ and £500 on ice cream: The secrets of government credit cards
    A Telegraph investigation itemises the astonishing bills racked up by civil servants at the taxpayers’ expense"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/24/government-credit-cards-spending/

    It's time to demonise the civil service once again. I don't remember any of this desperate soul searching during the long Conservative years of neglect and decline.

    I wonder how much was wasted then on pointless things such as ice cream, dry cleaning, getting out of the EU....
    I think what is bizarre is Reeves continuation of accepting free hospitality and Heidi Alexander, her cabinet colleague, saying she does not accept these gifts and anyway she is is too busy!!!
    Nick Ferrari is all over this "beer and curry" story this morning.

    I don't agree with freebies for politicians, particularly the CoE, but at least it's not a Lebedev bunga bunga party bung to a serving British Foreign Secretary.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,180

    Roger said:
    It will not change anything in relation to rejoining no matter how much you want to
    I think the Canadian polling shows you to be wrong. A single important issue can swing a vote like nothing else. More so when there's little else to separate the parties except for some ephemeral promises
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,459

    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "£1,700 for ‘Project Charisma’ and £500 on ice cream: The secrets of government credit cards
    A Telegraph investigation itemises the astonishing bills racked up by civil servants at the taxpayers’ expense"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/24/government-credit-cards-spending/

    It's time to demonise the civil service once again. I don't remember any of this desperate soul searching during the long Conservative years of neglect and decline.

    I wonder how much was wasted then on pointless things such as ice cream, dry cleaning, getting out of the EU....
    I think what is bizarre is Reeves continuation of accepting free hospitality and Heidi Alexander, her cabinet colleague, saying she does not accept these gifts and anyway she is is too busy!!!
    Nick Ferrari is all over this "beer and curry" story this morning.

    I don't agree with freebies for politicians, but at least it's not a Lebedev bunga bunga party bung to a serving British Foreign Secretary.
    Both are inappropriate. Full stop.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,330

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s

    That just shows Blackford for an utter retard. Keeping a nuclear deterrent that's dependent on US whims is absolutely the opposite of what anyone worried about Trump would propose.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,775
    edited 10:03AM
    Blatter and Platini cleared. Lol
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,673

    Chris said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    Vance seems to simultaneously hate his own background and hate the world he has joined.
    He also hates immigration and multiculturalism while being married to the daughter of Indian immigrants. He seems to be quite a conflicted individual.
    Maybe he hates his wife, though? Doesn't seem that implausible.
    He doesn't seem to, but who knows.
    Quite common to find immigrants who have problems with other ethnicities of immigrants, in the U.K.

    The enthusiasm with which certain activist types sell “only White people can be racist” and “it’s racist to suggest that non-white ethnic groups don’t all love each other” is quite telling.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,330
    algarkirk said:

    The BBC is giving wall to wall coverage of the security lapse farce. And this is OK. But it doesn't tell us anything at all we didn't know before but merely confirms what we thought about their character and competence.

    But the BBC continues to give relatively scant attention to the big story: USA has switched sides, and USA is becoming a rogue state both externally and internally.

    The USA cannot become a rogue state. Excepting that overfriendliness with KSA does have its own heritage within UK foreign policy, the US decides who is a rogue state and who isn't.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,570
    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    Rather more importantly, it has implications for our foreign policy. There's little point toadying to someone who's actively hostile to you.
    Hopefully by April the whole tariffs and retaliatory tax measures malarkey will be a bit clearer and Britain will know whether it’s actually been successful in deflecting them. If so, then I expect we continue to tread carefully - which is understandable but will damage our relations with the EU and Canada; if not, then I hope (but don’t expect) that we’ll join the side of the righteous.
    I don't think we can be so sanguine.
    These are the same people negotiating with Russia - one was probably in the group chat from there.
    We're allowing people who actively hate Europe to negotiate its future. The implications of that are not something that we can hope to avoid like tariffs.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,570

    algarkirk said:

    The BBC is giving wall to wall coverage of the security lapse farce. And this is OK. But it doesn't tell us anything at all we didn't know before but merely confirms what we thought about their character and competence.

    But the BBC continues to give relatively scant attention to the big story: USA has switched sides, and USA is becoming a rogue state both externally and internally.

    The USA cannot become a rogue state. Excepting that overfriendliness with KSA does have its own heritage within UK foreign policy, the US decides who is a rogue state and who isn't.
    Not as far as we're concerned, it doesn't.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,180

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s

    That just shows Blackford for an utter retard. Keeping a nuclear deterrent that's dependent on US whims is absolutely the opposite of what anyone worried about Trump would propose.
    I'm not sure about that. I've become a convert to nuclear weapons and would like to see some of the more oppressed nations get hold of them. Would Gaza have suffered the slaughter of 50,000 of their citizens if they had had one?
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,718

    Chris said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    Vance seems to simultaneously hate his own background and hate the world he has joined.
    He also hates immigration and multiculturalism while being married to the daughter of Indian immigrants. He seems to be quite a conflicted individual.
    Maybe he hates his wife, though? Doesn't seem that implausible.
    He doesn't seem to, but who knows.
    Quite common to find immigrants who have problems with other ethnicities of immigrants, in the U.K.

    The enthusiasm with which certain activist types sell “only White people can be racist” and “it’s racist to suggest that non-white ethnic groups don’t all love each other” is quite telling.
    The only people selling “it’s racist to suggest that non-white ethnic groups don’t all love each other” are figments of your imagination.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,207

    Where British Columbia leads the rest of Canada will follow.

    Cannot blame them, given the fact the King is rolling out the red carpet for Trump.

    Most British Columbians want Canada to abandon the constitutional monarchy

    https://victoriabuzz.com/2025/03/most-british-columbians-want-canada-to-abandon-the-constitutional-monarchy/

    Can't blame them, TBH. Starmer must be considering withdrawing the invitation, surely. If he isn't he ought to be.
    Starmer isn't going to do shit. He's picked a side and he's sticking with it.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,302
    edited 10:22AM

    Where British Columbia leads the rest of Canada will follow.

    Cannot blame them, given the fact the King is rolling out the red carpet for Trump.

    Most British Columbians want Canada to abandon the constitutional monarchy

    https://victoriabuzz.com/2025/03/most-british-columbians-want-canada-to-abandon-the-constitutional-monarchy/

    And yet, of the twenty countries that have the highest HDI, twelve are constitutional monarchies.

    Powerful Republics, paradoxically, are more wedded to the idea that “the will of the Prince has the force of law.”

    (Using Prince in its older sense, as Head of Government).
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 54

    Roger said:

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s

    That just shows Blackford for an utter retard. Keeping a nuclear deterrent that's dependent on US whims is absolutely the opposite of what anyone worried about Trump would propose.
    I'm not sure about that. I've become a convert to nuclear weapons and would like to see some of the more oppressed nations get hold of them. Would Gaza have suffered the slaughter of 50,000 of their citizens if they had had one?
    Yes, as Hamas nuke Jerusalem and Tel Aviv with no understanding of the mushroom cloud that is about to engulf them. Other than that, good idea.
    Hahaha - good point.!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,920
    Max Kendix
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  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,655

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    Vance seems to simultaneously hate his own background and hate the world he has joined.
    He also hates immigration and multiculturalism while being married to the daughter of Indian immigrants. He seems to be quite a conflicted individual.
    That's understandable. It's like saying you're not racist because you have a black barber; or you are not sexist because you love you mum.
    Racists and sexists are generally more subtle these days - I offer you the German AfD leader as an example, a lesbian (whose main home is in Switzerland), and the British Cabinet is admirably multi-ethnic. Most reactionaries are OK with that, so long as they behave and think like racist indiginous people, including opposition to most further immigration. To say "I hate people who look different from me" is crudely repellent even among most racists - to say "I hate people who are brought up with alien traditions" sounds more defensible, though in most cases comes to the same. In reality, society is changing, white and non-white, and each generation moves towards the current mean.

    That isn't, of course, always welcome to liberal-minded people like most of us. If women wearing headscarves becomes more common, should we object, even if it's at least superficially a matter of individual choice?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,752
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    Dura_Ace said:

    Where British Columbia leads the rest of Canada will follow.

    Cannot blame them, given the fact the King is rolling out the red carpet for Trump.

    Most British Columbians want Canada to abandon the constitutional monarchy

    https://victoriabuzz.com/2025/03/most-british-columbians-want-canada-to-abandon-the-constitutional-monarchy/

    Can't blame them, TBH. Starmer must be considering withdrawing the invitation, surely. If he isn't he ought to be.
    Starmer isn't going to do shit. He's picked a side and he's sticking with it.
    We are about 9 weeks into a USA coup, our closest ally, which changes every aspect of foreign policy developed over the last 80 years. The idea that our PM has a fixed and immutable position with regard to it is both ludicrous, and even more, meaningless. There is no possibility of predicting what the world will look like in 12 months time.

    Can you have a Black Swan event which is heavily trailed and predicted and overtly announced on the election trail for months. Well, if you can this is the Black Swan of Black Swans, needing I think a new sort of Swan.

    The PM and government need some time and a bit of slack.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,207
    I wonder if Kermit is going to get JDV to speak at the tory conference. It feels sort of on brand for her but the event is probably too low rent and irrelevant for him.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 774

    Roger said:

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s

    That just shows Blackford for an utter retard. Keeping a nuclear deterrent that's dependent on US whims is absolutely the opposite of what anyone worried about Trump would propose.
    I'm not sure about that. I've become a convert to nuclear weapons and would like to see some of the more oppressed nations get hold of them. Would Gaza have suffered the slaughter of 50,000 of their citizens if they had had one?
    Yes, as Hamas nuke Jerusalem and Tel Aviv with no understanding of the mushroom cloud that is about to engulf them. Other than that, good idea.
    It's worse than that, they do understand the impact but do it anyway, as they place no value on human life and destroying Israel is the greater 'good'.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,180

    Roger said:

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s

    That just shows Blackford for an utter retard. Keeping a nuclear deterrent that's dependent on US whims is absolutely the opposite of what anyone worried about Trump would propose.
    I'm not sure about that. I've become a convert to nuclear weapons and would like to see some of the more oppressed nations get hold of them. Would Gaza have suffered the slaughter of 50,000 of their citizens if they had had one?
    Yes, as Hamas nuke Jerusalem and Tel Aviv with no understanding of the mushroom cloud that is about to engulf them. Other than that, good idea.
    I don't think that would happen. Contrary to widespread opinion some of the most cerebral people I know are Arab. The reason Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons is because indiscriminate slaughter in religiously unacceptable. Would Netanyahu treat the Gazans like a turkey shoot if they had a bomb? No of course not. Would the Gazans use that bomb? Absolutely not.

    It is the imbalance in power that has led to the oppression. It nearly always is.
  • Max Kendix
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    EXC: The Lower Thames Crossing has been approved by the government. The £9billion project has been in the pipeline since 2009. £300m spent on the planning application alone.

    300 million on planning alone. Most countries would probably build the whole bloody thing for that!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,775
    edited 10:38AM

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    Vance seems to simultaneously hate his own background and hate the world he has joined.
    He also hates immigration and multiculturalism while being married to the daughter of Indian immigrants. He seems to be quite a conflicted individual.
    I think Vance wants to be hailed as some sort of 'philosopher prince'.

    His writings (see the one that was linked to recently about his conversion to Catholicism) seem to show a need to boast about what he has achieved and what he knows.

    More generally Washington resembles a Tudor court more than a modern government.

    Trump has all the insecure, grandiose, erratic narcissism of late stage Henry VIII.

    Mike Pence / Thomas More as the former favourite who chose his conscience over his master orders.

    Vance as the Thomas Cromwell figure - low born and talented but always looked down on by those born to privilege.

    The likes of Musk, Rubio, Hegseth scheming for position as the Howards, Seymours and such like did.

    There's even a weak ineffective legislature and a threatened judicial system.
    His regret that the US "bailed out Europe" in the 1940s is unusually interesting territory.
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    More Trump impacts.

    Most Scots want to keep UK’s nuclear deterrent, poll shows

    Support to retain the Clyde-based weapons is even strong among supporters of the SNP, which wants unilateral disarmament


    A majority of Scots believe that Britain should keep its nuclear arsenal amid calls for the SNP to reconsider its historic demand for unilateral disarmament.

    A poll has found that 56 per cent believe the UK should retain its independent nuclear deterrent, compared with 22 per cent who think it should be given up.

    The SNP has long campaigned for Britain to unconditionally relinquish its Trident nuclear submarines, which are based on the Clyde (the Royal Navy’s headquarters in Scotland), arguing that they are both financially and morally wrong.

    However, Ian Blackford, the party’s former Westminster leader, recently became the first senior nationalist to break ranks, citing Russian aggression and uncertainty over President Trump’s commitment to European defence.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-people-back-nuclear-deterrent-uk-snp-7kjm7kp2s

    That just shows Blackford for an utter retard. Keeping a nuclear deterrent that's dependent on US whims is absolutely the opposite of what anyone worried about Trump would propose.
    I'm not sure about that. I've become a convert to nuclear weapons and would like to see some of the more oppressed nations get hold of them. Would Gaza have suffered the slaughter of 50,000 of their citizens if they had had one?
    Yes, as Hamas nuke Jerusalem and Tel Aviv with no understanding of the mushroom cloud that is about to engulf them. Other than that, good idea.
    I don't think that would happen. Contrary to widespread opinion some of the most cerebral people I know are Arab. The reason Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons is because indiscriminate slaughter in religiously unacceptable. Would Netanyahu treat the Gazans like a turkey shoot if they had a bomb? No of course not. Would the Gazans use that bomb? Absolutely not.

    It is the imbalance in power that has led to the oppression. It nearly always is.
    F*****' idiots with nukes is never a good idea. I'd include Team Trump and Team Bibi in that group.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,960
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    Max Kendix
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    EXC: The Lower Thames Crossing has been approved by the government. The £9billion project has been in the pipeline since 2009. £300m spent on the planning application alone.

    300 million on planning alone. Most countries would probably build the whole bloody thing for that!
    I query these figures as some of that money will be for design work that will be used and built on as the project progresses. It isn’t wasted on “planning” alone. A project of this magnitude will have significant design work regardless of whether the planning system is liberalised.

    I presume the figure quoted here is simply the expenditure by RIBA Work Stage 3.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,570
    edited 10:37AM

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    Vance seems to simultaneously hate his own background and hate the world he has joined.
    He also hates immigration and multiculturalism while being married to the daughter of Indian immigrants. He seems to be quite a conflicted individual.
    I think Vance wants to be hailed as some sort of 'philosopher prince'.

    His writings (see the one that was linked to recently about his conversion to Catholicism) seem to show a need to boast about what he has achieved and what he knows.

    More generally Washington resembles a Tudor court more than a modern government.

    Trump has all the insecure, grandiose, erratic narcissism of late stage Henry VIII.

    Mike Pence / Thomas More as the former favourite who chose his conscience over his master orders.

    Vance as the Thomas Cromwell figure - low born and talented but always looked down on by those born to privilege.

    The likes of Musk, Rubio, Hegseth scheming for position as the Howards, Seymours and such like did.

    There's even a weak ineffective legislature and a threatened judicial system.
    Or perhaps an early 17thC Stuart monarchy.

    With a ruler who proclaims his absolute power, untrammelled by law, but places the actual administration in the hands of incompetent favourites.

    Which would make Vance the Duke of Buckingham.*

    The Tudors, after all, proved rather competent - though brutal - monarchs.

    You have a point with the multiple wives, of course.

    *Also fond of facial hair and guyliner...
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,874
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    Max Kendix
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    EXC: The Lower Thames Crossing has been approved by the government. The £9billion project has been in the pipeline since 2009. £300m spent on the planning application alone.

    300 million on planning alone. Most countries would probably build the whole bloody thing for that!
    I query these figures as some of that money will be for design work that will be used and built on as the project progresses. It isn’t wasted on “planning” alone. A project of this magnitude will have significant design work regardless of whether the planning system is liberalised.

    I presume the figure quoted here is simply the expenditure by RIBA Work Stage 3.
    Last time PB looked at this the £300 million was mostly spent on perfectly sensible things like buying the land needed.

    Anyway, I think this is basically fatal for the Labour London Party. Equivalent to 4GW of offshore wind, 9000 miles of cycle infrastructure or a quarter of HS2 to Manchester.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,459
    Nigelb said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/25/stunning-signal-leak-reveals-depths-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

    The weird thing about this regime is that the more they proclaim a white, Christian, European vision of America, the more they hate Europe. There must be some kind of psychology thesis to be written about this.

    Rather more importantly, it has implications for our foreign policy. There's little point toadying to someone who's actively hostile to you.
    Hopefully by April the whole tariffs and retaliatory tax measures malarkey will be a bit clearer and Britain will know whether it’s actually been successful in deflecting them. If so, then I expect we continue to tread carefully - which is understandable but will damage our relations with the EU and Canada; if not, then I hope (but don’t expect) that we’ll join the side of the righteous.
    I don't think we can be so sanguine.
    These are the same people negotiating with Russia - one was probably in the group chat from there.
    We're allowing people who actively hate Europe to negotiate its future. The implications of that are not something that we can hope to avoid like tariffs.
    They are going to talk to Russia regardless. We have the ability to reject any outcome of those talks provided we are prepared to step up and support Ukraine sufficiently ourselves
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